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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Van Cruncheon on May 19, 2008, 12:41:46 AM

Title: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 19, 2008, 12:41:46 AM
good god this game is unimaginably gross looking. it is HIDEOS KOJIMAS. the dialogue is impenetrable, poorly translated nonsense. please remove it from the nerd gaming canon, post-haste, and give ff8 its slot.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: MrAngryFace on May 19, 2008, 12:44:26 AM
BOBOOB LIVIN ON A PIZZA
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Rman on May 19, 2008, 12:44:36 AM
real talk.  

I don't know why all these FF7 nerds are clamoring for a remake.  If it's remade just from just an audio visual level the gameplay won't hold up at all.  Chocobo breeding will probably be some sort of torture mechanism in the distant future.  
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: pilonv1 on May 19, 2008, 12:47:05 AM
worse than FFX?
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Rman on May 19, 2008, 12:48:19 AM
worse than FFX?
>:(

Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 19, 2008, 12:55:07 AM
yes, it worse than ffx.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Rman on May 19, 2008, 12:57:29 AM
FF8 was awesome.  I'm afraid to replay it and have my rose tinted glasses shattered.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Candyflip on May 19, 2008, 12:58:14 AM
This guy are sick.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 19, 2008, 01:01:55 AM
I've been playing Saga Frontier lately and it's actually fun to me.

So FF7 probably wouldn't bother me too much.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: demi on May 19, 2008, 01:04:25 AM
Replay Legend of Legaia - confirmed better than FF7 in the year 2008
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 19, 2008, 01:04:49 AM
i dug legend of legaia
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Candyflip on May 19, 2008, 01:06:00 AM
Yeah..I downloaded the PC version from a torrent a few months back. It had small fixes (smoother graphics, updated translation) and it wasn't too bad. I even patched the block hands to look like real hands, lol.

Suppose nostalgia could be blinding me though. Saga Frontier is something I would like to replay; I haven't even seen that game in years.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: demi on May 19, 2008, 01:06:24 AM
i dug legend of legaia

... then I played the sequel  :'(
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 19, 2008, 01:14:52 AM
Replay Legend of Legaia - confirmed better than FF7 in the year 2008

Legend of Legaia! I was just reminiscing about that not too long ago. I played it some back in the Dark Ages [1999 or so], although I don't think that I ever got too far in it. It was yet another game that never got as much love as it should have because it wasn't called "Final Fantasy" or "Xenogears".

I really wish I could play it again, but my copy appears to have been lost somewhere in the sands of time and a used one off Amazon is nearly $40. Bleh.

"I hate pimps! Pimps are bad!"
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 19, 2008, 01:15:51 AM
Replay Legend of Legaia - confirmed better than FF7 in the year 2008

Legend of Legaia! I was just reminiscing about that not too long ago. I played it some back in the Dark Ages [1999 or so], although I don't think that I ever got too far in it. It was yet another game that never got as much love as it should have because it wasn't called "Final Fantasy" or "Xenogears".

I really wish I could play it again, but my copy appears to have been lost somewhere in the sands of time and a used one off Amazon is nearly $40. Bleh.

"I hate pimps! Pimps are bad!"

do you have a hacked psp, senor?
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: demi on May 19, 2008, 01:16:50 AM
Legaia has issues on PSP, unless that's been fixed in recent updates
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 19, 2008, 01:17:37 AM
Replay Legend of Legaia - confirmed better than FF7 in the year 2008

Legend of Legaia! I was just reminiscing about that not too long ago. I played it some back in the Dark Ages [1999 or so], although I don't think that I ever got too far in it. It was yet another game that never got as much love as it should have because it wasn't called "Final Fantasy" or "Xenogears".

I really wish I could play it again, but my copy appears to have been lost somewhere in the sands of time and a used one off Amazon is nearly $40. Bleh.

"I hate pimps! Pimps are bad!"

do you have a hacked psp, senor?

I have a PSP, but I've done virtually nothing with it aside from play a game or two.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: demi on May 19, 2008, 01:19:32 AM
[youtube=425,350]CLuyIPfNGKk[/youtube]

I lurve this game, I own legit copy and a guide for it
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: MrAngryFace on May 19, 2008, 01:23:39 AM
Legaia owned
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 19, 2008, 01:24:32 AM
I tried to play FF7 a few months ago, but I couldn't make it more than a few hours in. Same with the Lunar games, they were both pretty rough. Suikoden II stands up to the test of time, though. I played that too, and it was still pretty sweet.

Haven't played Legaia since the 90's though, but I liked it back then.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: BamYouHaveAids on May 19, 2008, 01:29:48 AM
i beat it for the first time last year  :-\

i love legend of legaia, it's one of the games that distracted me when i originally played ff7. some of the requirements for the end summon things were ridiculious though, those pissed me off, completely impossible.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: The Sceneman on May 19, 2008, 01:36:46 AM
Legaia is awesome. "Damn that Songi!"

got up to the last boss but never beat his bitch ass

I loved FF7, it was my favourite game for a long long time (it was my first rpg and I was 12), but I could imagine that it sucks ass now. Wheres all the e-love for Vagrant Story? No one ever talks about that game :(

FF8 and 9 are fucking amazing, better games probably. X and XII are turds

havent played 6, waiting for the DS remake
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: cool breeze on May 19, 2008, 01:53:53 AM
I played FF7 a few months ago on my PSP and didn't have a problem with it.  I actually found it easier to play through than Crisis Core.  Crisis Core is just so boring to play.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Fragamemnon on May 19, 2008, 03:13:44 AM
I would imagine at this point the PSOne's low-res unfiltered texturing and Vagrant Story's bizzare interface would really make it sort of painful to play. :( I love that game, and I'm happy to enjoy my fond memories of it.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: duckman2000 on May 19, 2008, 04:01:04 AM
I've never played a Final Fantasy title!  :burgerking
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Vizzys on May 19, 2008, 04:02:51 AM
legend of legaia was that game about mist right, I remember that... great game.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 19, 2008, 04:30:59 AM
if FF7 is unplayable, it has nothing to do with the year being 2008.  games don't age like people do, if it was bad now it was bad then.  the problems with the game were perfectly evident when it first came out.  personally I found it full of cool stuff, but unsatisfying overall (then and now).  5/10

and FF8 has cool system concepts, visual design and music, but is ridiculously unbalanced and ridiculously slow.  also 5/10.

FF9, however, is bumped up to a 6/10 given PS2 fast loading.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: demi on May 19, 2008, 04:32:31 AM
I've never played a Final Fantasy title!  :burgerking

Perfect, you should play Legend of Legaia
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: RevenantKioku on May 19, 2008, 04:09:24 AM
good god this game is unimaginably gross looking. it is HIDEOS KOJIMAS. the dialogue is impenetrable, poorly translated nonsense. please remove it from the nerd gaming canon, post-haste, and give ff8 its slot.
So some of the least important parts of enjoying the actual game have aged. GG keeping up the schtick.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: MCD on May 19, 2008, 04:32:23 AM
translation and graphics are least important parts? especially ff7 atrocious 3d graphics?
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 19, 2008, 04:40:58 AM
FF7's graphics are fine.  It's the game balance that's fucked up.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: MCD on May 19, 2008, 04:44:11 AM
the character models are disgusting.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 19, 2008, 04:57:48 AM
FFVII:r please SE
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 19, 2008, 05:19:48 AM
I like the character models, they have their own style.  And are cute.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 19, 2008, 06:09:25 AM
I would imagine at this point the PSOne's low-res unfiltered texturing and Vagrant Story's bizzare interface would really make it sort of painful to play. :( I love that game, and I'm happy to enjoy my fond memories of it.
Emulated Vagrant Story looks like a PS2 game (seriously), and fast-loading menus reduces UI wonkiness by a full point. :bow emulators :bow2
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Pharmacy on May 19, 2008, 06:17:14 AM
ff7 = sucks
ff8 = amazing
ff9 = my favourite
ff10 = pretty good
ffx2 = pretty good
ff12 = refuse to play it

i need some more ps2 rpgs to play :\
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 19, 2008, 06:22:30 AM
I actually think the VS interface is pretty damn good apart from the lack of a quick weapon-switch function.  which is, admittedly, a huge mark against it.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Pat on May 19, 2008, 06:32:54 AM
real talk. 

I don't know why all these FF7 nerds are clamoring for a remake.  If it's remade just from just an audio visual level the gameplay won't hold up at all.  Chocobo breeding will probably be some sort of torture mechanism in the distant future. 

The people clamouring for a remake are probably just after a game that has a similar tone or mood. I'll admit it was my first rpg but I havent played it in 6-7 years and it probably wouldnt be worth revisiting now. It's a disservice to other rpgs to insist on a remake because there are probably heaps of other better rpgs that dont carry brand name recognition with the weight that ff7 does.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: GilloD on May 19, 2008, 06:41:54 AM
FF7 has always been terrible. The graphics are fine for the time, but the story remains as erudite and unlikely as it ever was. It is absolute inaccessible without 400 pages of addendum. No thanks.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Ichirou on May 19, 2008, 07:25:10 AM
Oh great, an FF7 thread...any chance to post this is always welcome.

Quote
Why Final Fantasy VII is Complete
   

by Andrew Vestal

Many have written me, concerned:

Aerith dies. You can't bring her back.

You ask that I start a petition--after all, my first one worked! Square rushed the game, you say, and released it before it was finished. Originally, you could bring her back! Make Square give us the TRUE Final Fantasy VII!

And I smile and politely go about my day's business. But, lately, I have received too many of these letters to ignore them, and I must I make my views known.

Some insist the game is unfinished, that I should start a petition to demand the game be "fixed." These people misunderstand the power of the petition.

The Final Fantasy VII Translation Petition asked for fair and equitable treatment. It asked that the game not be censored or cut; that it remain in its original form; that Americans receive, finally, a Final Fantasy game the way it was written. The petition was succesful, and I am proud to have supported it, because it asked for justice.

A petition to demand the insertion of Aerith's ressurection, however, would ask for preferencial treatment. It would selfishly demand more than others have already received. It would ask Square to retouch a finished product at gamers' whims. It would demand the artists tamper with a finished and coherent storyline. It would ask for these things out of greed, and I cannot support it.

Square offers you the Venus de Milo, and you would send it back because it has no arms.

There are rumors that an alternative, superior ending exists, unaccessible because of Aerith's permanent death. Those rumors are nothing but lies. The ending you see is the ending Square originally intended: the largest movie file on the third disc. The ending, as well, is perfectly satisfactory; there's nothing "lackluster" about it. A "better" ending (with Aerith ressurected) is an impossibility. Aerith knew her death was absolutely necessary. Do not presume to know more than she.

And most importantly . . . Aerith should stay dead.

A dying man needs to die, as a sleepy man needs to sleep, and
there comes a time when it is wrong, as well as useless, to resist.
    - Steward Alsop

Aerith's death is a tragedy. I truly do believe this. So was Tellah's. So was General Leo's. So was the death of every person who ever sacrificed themselves for a greater cause.
But unlike deaths in previous Square games, Aerith's death carries long-lasting repercussions that echo long after her passing. For Aerith did not die senselessly. Aerith meant to die.

Some people are so afraid to die that they never begin to live.
    - Henry Van Dyke

Aerith knew her actions would mean her end. But she faced death anyway, aware that only in death could she avert the coming disaster and save her world. She gave her life intentionally, purposefully, and with full knowledge of the consequences. No one ever, EVER forgets that; the tragedy of her loss is what keeps the small party together.

Do not go gentle into that good night
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
    - Dylan Thomas

Even in death her presence is felt. Her memory guides and leads the party on its quest. Her spirit appears in silent reminder of her selfless act. Aerith died. She died! And she died honorably.

Dear, beauteous death, the jewel of the just!
    - Henry Vaughan

If Prince Hamlet came back from the dead, would his indecision be meaningful? If King Lear recovered, would we learn from his folly? And if Aerith were disinterred mere hours after her death, would her sacrifice have any importance? Square should be honored that the death of a character brings about this outcry. It is touching testament to the games' power: the characters are truly loved. And grief is a natural reaction to the death of a loved one. As is denial. Now, Square fans must proceed to the next stage: acceptance.

Do not stand at my grave and weep. I am not there, I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow. I am the diamond glint on snow.
I am the sun on ripened grain. I am the soothing, gentle rain.
When you awake in morning hush, I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight. I am the stars that shine at night.
Do not stand at my grave and cry. I am not there. I did not die.
    - Anonymous

Aerith Gainsborough gave her life so that the world might live. May she rest in peace.


. . . she smiled, in the end.
    - Cloud Strife
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Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: MoxManiac on May 19, 2008, 07:36:26 AM
Oh great, an FF7 thread...any chance to post this is always welcome.

Quote
Why Final Fantasy VII is Complete
   

by Andrew Vestal

Many have written me, concerned:

Aerith dies. You can't bring her back.

You ask that I start a petition--after all, my first one worked! Square rushed the game, you say, and released it before it was finished. Originally, you could bring her back! Make Square give us the TRUE Final Fantasy VII!

And I smile and politely go about my day's business. But, lately, I have received too many of these letters to ignore them, and I must I make my views known.

Some insist the game is unfinished, that I should start a petition to demand the game be "fixed." These people misunderstand the power of the petition.

The Final Fantasy VII Translation Petition asked for fair and equitable treatment. It asked that the game not be censored or cut; that it remain in its original form; that Americans receive, finally, a Final Fantasy game the way it was written. The petition was succesful, and I am proud to have supported it, because it asked for justice.

A petition to demand the insertion of Aerith's ressurection, however, would ask for preferencial treatment. It would selfishly demand more than others have already received. It would ask Square to retouch a finished product at gamers' whims. It would demand the artists tamper with a finished and coherent storyline. It would ask for these things out of greed, and I cannot support it.

Square offers you the Venus de Milo, and you would send it back because it has no arms.

There are rumors that an alternative, superior ending exists, unaccessible because of Aerith's permanent death. Those rumors are nothing but lies. The ending you see is the ending Square originally intended: the largest movie file on the third disc. The ending, as well, is perfectly satisfactory; there's nothing "lackluster" about it. A "better" ending (with Aerith ressurected) is an impossibility. Aerith knew her death was absolutely necessary. Do not presume to know more than she.

And most importantly . . . Aerith should stay dead.

A dying man needs to die, as a sleepy man needs to sleep, and
there comes a time when it is wrong, as well as useless, to resist.
    - Steward Alsop

Aerith's death is a tragedy. I truly do believe this. So was Tellah's. So was General Leo's. So was the death of every person who ever sacrificed themselves for a greater cause.
But unlike deaths in previous Square games, Aerith's death carries long-lasting repercussions that echo long after her passing. For Aerith did not die senselessly. Aerith meant to die.

Some people are so afraid to die that they never begin to live.
    - Henry Van Dyke

Aerith knew her actions would mean her end. But she faced death anyway, aware that only in death could she avert the coming disaster and save her world. She gave her life intentionally, purposefully, and with full knowledge of the consequences. No one ever, EVER forgets that; the tragedy of her loss is what keeps the small party together.

Do not go gentle into that good night
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
    - Dylan Thomas

Even in death her presence is felt. Her memory guides and leads the party on its quest. Her spirit appears in silent reminder of her selfless act. Aerith died. She died! And she died honorably.

Dear, beauteous death, the jewel of the just!
    - Henry Vaughan

If Prince Hamlet came back from the dead, would his indecision be meaningful? If King Lear recovered, would we learn from his folly? And if Aerith were disinterred mere hours after her death, would her sacrifice have any importance? Square should be honored that the death of a character brings about this outcry. It is touching testament to the games' power: the characters are truly loved. And grief is a natural reaction to the death of a loved one. As is denial. Now, Square fans must proceed to the next stage: acceptance.

Do not stand at my grave and weep. I am not there, I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow. I am the diamond glint on snow.
I am the sun on ripened grain. I am the soothing, gentle rain.
When you awake in morning hush, I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight. I am the stars that shine at night.
Do not stand at my grave and cry. I am not there. I did not die.
    - Anonymous

Aerith Gainsborough gave her life so that the world might live. May she rest in peace.


. . . she smiled, in the end.
    - Cloud Strife
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://terror.snm-hgkz.ch/mirrors/thegia/sites/www.thegia.com/features/011103/moogle02.jpg)
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what the fuck
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Ninja on May 19, 2008, 08:03:12 AM
I played it on my PSP a few months ago. It doesn't look too bad for a handheld RPG. The muddled translation is the worst thing about it, some of the more intricate plot points are nigh-on incomrehensible without reading up on it online or something but I still think there is a lot of charm in the world.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Ichirou on May 19, 2008, 08:18:15 AM
Drinky isn't Andrew Vestal tho
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: tiesto on May 19, 2008, 09:08:41 AM
Hmm, seems I'm alone on EB for vastly preferring FF7 to 8... yeah the game had a ton of flaws, but god damn I hated the characters, hated the Junction system, hated the story, hated the balance, in FF8. It was definitely my least favorite FF upon release but that's been overtaken by X2 and 12. But I liked the setting a lot. I haven't tried going back and replaying FF7 but I'd imagine I wouldn't be that turned off or disgusted by it, flaws like the crappy character models and bad translation would probably end up being overlooked.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: MCD on May 19, 2008, 09:18:42 AM
Hmm, seems I'm alone on EB for vastly preferring FF7 to 8... yeah the game had a ton of flaws, but god damn I hated the characters, hated the Junction system, hated the story, hated the balance, in FF8. It was definitely my least favorite FF upon release but that's been overtaken by X2 and 12. But I liked the setting a lot. I haven't tried going back and replaying FF7 but I'd imagine I wouldn't be that turned off or disgusted by it, flaws like the crappy character models and bad translation would probably end up being overlooked.
you are not alone.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 19, 2008, 09:31:21 AM
I don't *hate* FF7 but it's definitely the worst of the PS1 trio and probably worse than FFX.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: MedievalManIII on May 19, 2008, 11:41:06 AM
How is it unplayable? I thought that just pressing A would win the game for you.

The graphics are unbearable, though.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Mondain on May 19, 2008, 11:54:10 AM
it had a gritty industrial atmosphere and gritty music, I wish more games would have a similar theme
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Mupepe on May 19, 2008, 12:09:56 PM
I don't *hate* FF7 but it's definitely the worst of the PS1 trio and probably worse than FFX.
same.

btw, it was unplayable in 2004
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 19, 2008, 12:14:00 PM
Drinky isn't Andrew Vestal tho

yes i am :'(
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Powerslave on May 19, 2008, 12:21:32 PM
Shit thread.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Bildi on May 19, 2008, 10:29:04 PM
worse than FFX?

Indeed.  Play FFX and suddenly FF7 will look like one of the greatest gaming experiences of all time.

Shit thread.

I haven't had a chance to comment on your new avatar so it's happening now.

:bow (http://i28.tinypic.com/2zpqfbt.jpg) :bow2
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: CurseoftheGods on May 19, 2008, 11:12:14 PM
Oh great, an FF7 thread...any chance to post this is always welcome.

Quote
Why Final Fantasy VII is Complete
   

by Andrew Vestal

Many have written me, concerned:

Aerith dies. You can't bring her back.

You ask that I start a petition--after all, my first one worked! Square rushed the game, you say, and released it before it was finished. Originally, you could bring her back! Make Square give us the TRUE Final Fantasy VII!

And I smile and politely go about my day's business. But, lately, I have received too many of these letters to ignore them, and I must I make my views known.

Some insist the game is unfinished, that I should start a petition to demand the game be "fixed." These people misunderstand the power of the petition.

The Final Fantasy VII Translation Petition asked for fair and equitable treatment. It asked that the game not be censored or cut; that it remain in its original form; that Americans receive, finally, a Final Fantasy game the way it was written. The petition was succesful, and I am proud to have supported it, because it asked for justice.

A petition to demand the insertion of Aerith's ressurection, however, would ask for preferencial treatment. It would selfishly demand more than others have already received. It would ask Square to retouch a finished product at gamers' whims. It would demand the artists tamper with a finished and coherent storyline. It would ask for these things out of greed, and I cannot support it.

Square offers you the Venus de Milo, and you would send it back because it has no arms.

There are rumors that an alternative, superior ending exists, unaccessible because of Aerith's permanent death. Those rumors are nothing but lies. The ending you see is the ending Square originally intended: the largest movie file on the third disc. The ending, as well, is perfectly satisfactory; there's nothing "lackluster" about it. A "better" ending (with Aerith ressurected) is an impossibility. Aerith knew her death was absolutely necessary. Do not presume to know more than she.

And most importantly . . . Aerith should stay dead.

A dying man needs to die, as a sleepy man needs to sleep, and
there comes a time when it is wrong, as well as useless, to resist.
    - Steward Alsop

Aerith's death is a tragedy. I truly do believe this. So was Tellah's. So was General Leo's. So was the death of every person who ever sacrificed themselves for a greater cause.
But unlike deaths in previous Square games, Aerith's death carries long-lasting repercussions that echo long after her passing. For Aerith did not die senselessly. Aerith meant to die.

Some people are so afraid to die that they never begin to live.
    - Henry Van Dyke

Aerith knew her actions would mean her end. But she faced death anyway, aware that only in death could she avert the coming disaster and save her world. She gave her life intentionally, purposefully, and with full knowledge of the consequences. No one ever, EVER forgets that; the tragedy of her loss is what keeps the small party together.

Do not go gentle into that good night
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
    - Dylan Thomas

Even in death her presence is felt. Her memory guides and leads the party on its quest. Her spirit appears in silent reminder of her selfless act. Aerith died. She died! And she died honorably.

Dear, beauteous death, the jewel of the just!
    - Henry Vaughan

If Prince Hamlet came back from the dead, would his indecision be meaningful? If King Lear recovered, would we learn from his folly? And if Aerith were disinterred mere hours after her death, would her sacrifice have any importance? Square should be honored that the death of a character brings about this outcry. It is touching testament to the games' power: the characters are truly loved. And grief is a natural reaction to the death of a loved one. As is denial. Now, Square fans must proceed to the next stage: acceptance.

Do not stand at my grave and weep. I am not there, I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow. I am the diamond glint on snow.
I am the sun on ripened grain. I am the soothing, gentle rain.
When you awake in morning hush, I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight. I am the stars that shine at night.
Do not stand at my grave and cry. I am not there. I did not die.
    - Anonymous

Aerith Gainsborough gave her life so that the world might live. May she rest in peace.


. . . she smiled, in the end.
    - Cloud Strife
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://terror.snm-hgkz.ch/mirrors/thegia/sites/www.thegia.com/features/011103/moogle02.jpg)
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I can't believe Synthesizer Patel wrote that. :lol
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Oblivion on May 19, 2008, 11:19:55 PM
Patel wrote that?  :o :o :o
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: CurseoftheGods on May 19, 2008, 11:57:37 PM
Patel is Andrew Vestal if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 20, 2008, 12:05:48 AM
Patel is Andrew Vestal if I recall correctly.

Drinky is Patel!!  :o :o
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Raban on May 20, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
Why does EB hate FFX?
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Post by: Vizzys on May 20, 2008, 12:46:52 AM
Why does EB hate FFX?

laughing scene
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Post by: demi on May 20, 2008, 12:48:13 AM
Why does EB hate FFX?

Too easy; final boss is probably worst in entire series
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Post by: Raban on May 20, 2008, 12:53:31 AM
Why does EB hate FFX?

laughing scene

Yes, that part was pretty bad. Shouldn't dictate the entire game's quality, however. Tidus matures as the game goes on.

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final boss is probably worst in entire series

Wasn't the final boss
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like just some symbol that was supposed to be Yevon that you just graviga into oblivion? I never got that far. I didn't think much of the very last boss battle since wasn't the battle with Jecht supposed to be fuck-awesome?
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Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: demi on May 20, 2008, 12:55:38 AM
You couldnt even die.

But yeah the Jecht fight is awesome, I love that music (though it plays at the very beginning too)
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Post by: Raban on May 20, 2008, 12:59:00 AM
You couldnt even die.

But yeah the Jecht fight is awesome, I love that music (though it plays at the very beginning too)

I don't think that's all bad, if the Jecht fight made up for it. I never got to finish it, regrettably. Need to get back to it when I buy a PS2 again.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Vizzys on May 20, 2008, 12:59:13 AM
Why does EB hate FFX?

laughing scene

Yes, that part was pretty bad. Shouldn't dictate the entire game's quality, however. Tidus matures as the game goes on.

nah i was just joking, I loved the game

and tidus monologues, more games need monologues
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 20, 2008, 12:59:54 AM
I got all the way up to the part where you BREAK INTO SIN when I realized I just didn't care what was going to happen to the characters and turned it off for good.

Oh well.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Raban on May 20, 2008, 01:00:22 AM
Why does EB hate FFX?

laughing scene

Yes, that part was pretty bad. Shouldn't dictate the entire game's quality, however. Tidus matures as the game goes on.

nah i was just joking, I loved the game

and tidus monologues, more games need monologues

Tidus was an awesome character. Great development.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: RevenantKioku on May 20, 2008, 04:11:06 AM
translation and graphics are least important parts? especially ff7 atrocious 3d graphics?
Story and graphics ain't that important to the gameplay. I played FF7 over xmas holiday and enjoyed it just as much as I ever did.
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Post by: demi on May 20, 2008, 04:18:31 AM
Did it make you cum so hard you blew the top off your condom?
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Post by: Pharmacy on May 20, 2008, 04:59:03 AM
translation and graphics are least important parts? especially ff7 atrocious 3d graphics?
Story and graphics ain't that important to the gameplay. I played FF7 over xmas holiday and enjoyed it just as much as I ever did.

(http://i29.tinypic.com/24vocp1.jpg)

MY PENIS IS TOO BIG FOR MY CONDOM

REALLY GUYS I AM NOT LYING

MY PENIS

ITS BIG

JAPANESE

ME

KAWAIII ^________^
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 20, 2008, 06:25:40 AM
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You couldnt even die.

But yeah the Jecht fight is awesome, I love that music (though it plays at the very beginning too)

there's an interview (which Google can't seem to find anymore) with Tsuchida & Nakazawa, the battle designers, where they say Jecht is the actual final boss and they consider the battles after it to be part of the ending.  They were planning to run the credits over them at one point.  So there.
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Post by: demi on May 20, 2008, 06:28:10 AM
That makes FFX even worse :lol
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 20, 2008, 06:50:03 AM
how so?

also cute nerdy bespectacled RK >> obnoxious beberet'd RK
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Post by: Powerslave on May 20, 2008, 07:03:36 AM
worse than FFX?

Indeed.  Play FFX and suddenly FF7 will look like one of the greatest gaming experiences of all time.

but it is already. FFX sucks shit and everybody who places it above any of the ps1 FF's should be disregarded for everything else they say ever, and ever.


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Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: demi on May 20, 2008, 07:17:37 AM
how so?

also cute nerdy bespectacled RK >> obnoxious beberet'd RK

Because they wanted me to fight Yu Yevon with credits rolling (at one point)? How the hell does that work?
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 20, 2008, 07:40:58 AM
maybe if I had the interview I could tell you
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Post by: disgruntled_jojo on May 20, 2008, 09:34:41 AM
in 2000, ff7 is unplayable.

fixed
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 20, 2008, 09:37:44 AM
that Aerith piece is beautiful. :'( truly TVC 15's finest hour.
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Post by: Ichirou on May 20, 2008, 09:40:58 AM
It's sad to see someone who spends so many of his forum hours insulting and demeaning other users for their ignorance and teenage stupidity not being able to own up to his own youthful mistakes.

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Like this one!
(http://terror.snm-hgkz.ch/mirrors/thegia/sites/www.thegia.com/features/011103/moogle01.jpg)
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Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 20, 2008, 10:16:53 AM
Ichirou blocked my PM. :(
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Post by: MCD on May 20, 2008, 10:18:48 AM
so that guy in the picture, who is he? patel? drinky? tvc? ICHI!?
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Post by: Ichirou on May 20, 2008, 10:23:32 AM
It's me.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 20, 2008, 10:24:16 AM
It's me.

That explains a lot.
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Post by: Ichirou on May 20, 2008, 10:25:17 AM
Oops, wait, no, I'm not a furry, so it can't be me.  My mistake.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on May 20, 2008, 10:26:04 AM
Yeah, you'd be dressed like a loser
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 20, 2008, 10:26:40 AM
It's okay - we all make mistakes.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Ichirou on May 20, 2008, 10:27:29 AM
Your parents certainly did.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: MrAngryFace on May 20, 2008, 10:27:59 AM
Oh ichi, youre like some sad little man in one of those foreign films about sad little men
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 20, 2008, 10:29:36 AM
god i make a sexy moogle :drool
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 20, 2008, 10:31:28 AM
I'm not gay, but I'd totally fuck that moogle.

EDIT: Wait, that's not Ichi? Never mind then.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 20, 2008, 10:34:27 AM
i wouldn't fuck ichi even with the bk beast's dick

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Post by: CurseoftheGods on May 20, 2008, 10:43:12 AM
so that guy in the picture, who is he? patel? drinky? tvc? ICHI!?

Patel.

I think Ichi is getting all those pictures from this page. lol

http://terror.snm-hgkz.ch/mirrors/thegia/sites/www.thegia.com/features/011103/index.html
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: MCD on May 20, 2008, 10:55:40 AM
oh.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: MrAngryFace on May 20, 2008, 10:56:22 AM
I dont see why people care about that FF7 writeup, its not like the guy gave GTA4 a 10/10
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: demi on May 20, 2008, 12:02:40 PM
Oops, wait, no, I'm not a furry, so it can't be me.  My mistake.

This was the zinger you came up with? Go back to the drawing board :lol
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Yeti on May 20, 2008, 09:07:28 PM
FF7 is LITERALLY unplayable for me. I bought a copy on ebay that was described as like new about a year ago because I had never played it, and the discs came all scratched up. It worked all right until I got to the part where there's a motorcycle minigame and it always glitches out for me, so I'll never be able to finish it.  :(
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Post by: Bildi on May 20, 2008, 09:24:51 PM
FF7 is LITERALLY unplayable for me.

Someone on TV the other day said preggers Angelina Jolie is "literally glowing". 
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 20, 2008, 10:55:59 PM
FF7 is LITERALLY unplayable for me.

Someone on TV the other day said preggers Angelina Jolie is "literally glowing". 

That's the sort of thing that happens when you roll around in nuclear waste...not that I know that from first hand experience or anything.
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Post by: Mupepe on May 20, 2008, 11:17:34 PM
FF7 is LITERALLY unplayable for me.

Someone on TV the other day said preggers Angelina Jolie is "literally glowing". 

That's the sort of thing that happens when you roll around in nuclear waste...not that I know that from first hand experience or anything.
It gives off a nice shine, that's for sure.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 21, 2008, 12:50:23 AM
FF7 is LITERALLY unplayable for me. I bought a copy on ebay that was described as like new about a year ago because I had never played it, and the discs came all scratched up. It worked all right until I got to the part where there's a motorcycle minigame and it always glitches out for me, so I'll never be able to finish it.  :(

You've probably played the best part of the game, iirc
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Post by: Powerslave on May 21, 2008, 03:34:47 AM
RK for the win.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on May 21, 2008, 07:14:19 PM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3214/2511804049_354f172021_o.jpg)
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2008, 07:24:51 PM
god i make a sexy moogle :drool

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/PhoenixDark1/intellectualstatus.jpg)
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on May 21, 2008, 07:32:03 PM
My picture is hilarious,laugh at it.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Eric P on May 21, 2008, 07:36:31 PM
My picture is hilarious,laugh at it.

it actually is kind of funny
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Ichirou on May 22, 2008, 06:06:49 AM
god i make a sexy moogle :drool

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/PhoenixDark1/intellectualstatus.jpg)

Kupo kupo!

One thing I wonder is, did his mom make him the moogle suit, or did he sew it himself?  And which would be lamer, a high school student asking his mom to make him a moogle costume, or a high school student buying the materials and sewing one?
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: MrAngryFace on May 22, 2008, 01:38:28 PM
What's lamer? An insecure man living in isolation somewhere in japan? Or a dude having fun?
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: demi on May 22, 2008, 01:39:35 PM

Kupo kupo!

One thing I wonder is, did his mom make him the moogle suit, or did he sew it himself?  And which would be lamer, a high school student asking his mom to make him a moogle costume, or a high school student buying the materials and sewing one?

Definitely the guy who still works in a high school and acts like he's in high school and hasn't grown up yet
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: MCD on May 22, 2008, 01:40:55 PM
What's lamer? An insecure man living in isolation somewhere in japan? Or a dude having fun?
the one who holds long ass grudges.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Ichirou on May 22, 2008, 05:22:00 PM
What's lamer? An insecure man living in isolation somewhere in japan? Or a dude having fun?

What's lamer, a guy who asks for stuff from Japan, or a guy who asks for stuff from Japan yet refuses to ship internationally himself?

Nice to see the Icon Defense Squad in action, Ryan. :)
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: CurseoftheGods on May 22, 2008, 05:43:13 PM
The blog/article was a fun read. That FFVII review is far more embarrassing than those Moogle pictures.
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: Ichirou on May 22, 2008, 06:00:56 PM
The pictures were just offered as a fun addition to the review.  It's one of the most jaw-droppingly ridiculous things I've ever read.  Calling Aeris's death a "true tragedy", comparing FF7 to the works of Shakespeare, calling FF7 the "Venus de Milo", all the literary quotations (topped off by the quote from Cloud Strife)... :rofl

Sad to see certain people working overtime just to discredit the one who quoted the funny. smh
Title: Re: in 2008, ff7 is unplayable.
Post by: MrAngryFace on May 22, 2008, 06:16:01 PM
You've managed to be the most complained about poster between icons and non icons in a while. Celebrate this accomplishment on another forum.

See ya in a few weeks.