I thought we all accepted that it won't be as good as The Mummy 3?
Or do we all so quickly forget?
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Every preview and review says it's shit :(
Every preview and review says it's shit :(
It's so sad cause I rewatched The Indy Trilogy back-to-back this month in preparation for IJ4 and I think I won't even see it in the end.
I don't want to spoil the series as I know it.
Every preview and review says it's shit :(
It's so sad cause I rewatched The Indy Trilogy back-to-back this month in preparation for IJ4 and I think I won't even see it in the end.
I don't want to spoil the series as I know it.
:lol that's pushing it....
culling it all down from what i've read the thrills and style is cracked at with the same professionalism, and Spielberg can still handle the set pieces a cut above the usual.
too many sensitive memories for the trilogy here... 'Kingdom' should age with the last two and once all the tension of it's cinema release have faded away ..... it should be just bloody satisfying to sit back to.
Temple of Doom should be an easy hurdle at least.
It's probably not gonna be good, but come on now. I've taken more entertaining craps than Speed Racer.
If Kingdom of the Crystal Skull turns out to be a more entertaining film than Speed Racer, then it won't be able to touch its creativity.
If Kingdom of the Crystal Skull turns out to be a more entertaining film than Speed Racer, then it won't be able to touch its creativity.
All the reviews have read like, "... It has Indiana Jones, so it's good! I mean, not as good as the original films and it has a lot of problems and we can nitpick it to death - but, hey! - it's Indiana Jones! Four stars!"
All the reviews have read like, "... It has Indiana Jones, so it's good! I mean, not as good as the original films and it has a lot of problems and we can nitpick it to death - but, hey! - it's Indiana Jones! Four stars!"
nevermind. I thought I did, but I really don't have the words for some of the shit I'm reading in this thread :lol
I never really expected Indy 4 to be anything more than a quaint excuse to see the character on the big screen one last time.
Its a good action movie but there are so many ridiculous sequences that I started to get turned off.
Its a good action movie but there are so many ridiculous sequences that I started to get turned off.
Man, this series really is the same as the Die Hard series. (I just wrote a blog post about that)
http://thesomewhatmanlynerd.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/indiana-jones-and-die-hard-are-basically-the-same-series/Its a good action movie but there are so many ridiculous sequences that I started to get turned off.
Man, this series really is the same as the Die Hard series. (I just wrote a blog post about that)
Thats actually not a bad comparison. This movie LITERALLY IS the Die Hard 4 to Indiana Jones
Instead of trying to keep it grounded in reality, the action sequences are so over the top that its silly
http://thesomewhatmanlynerd.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/indiana-jones-and-die-hard-are-basically-the-same-series/Its a good action movie but there are so many ridiculous sequences that I started to get turned off.
Man, this series really is the same as the Die Hard series. (I just wrote a blog post about that)
Thats actually not a bad comparison. This movie LITERALLY IS the Die Hard 4 to Indiana Jones
Instead of trying to keep it grounded in reality, the action sequences are so over the top that its silly
He = me :P
Everyone liked the draft that Frank Darabont (The Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile, The Mist) turned in except Lucas. Lucas also refused to agree to do another Indy flick unless all three (Spielberg, Ford and Lucas) agreed on his idea (crystal skulls! aliens! new father/son dynamic!).
Ford and Spielberg weren't too keen on the science fiction stuff, but Lucas was adamant, especially if they were transplanting the series to the '50s. Eventually, Lucas kind of wore Spielberg and Ford down.
Everyone liked the draft that Frank Darabont (The Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile, The Mist) turned in except Lucas. Lucas also refused to agree to do another Indy flick unless all three (Spielberg, Ford and Lucas) agreed on his idea (crystal skulls! aliens! new father/son dynamic!).
Ford and Spielberg weren't too keen on the science fiction stuff, but Lucas was adamant, especially if they were transplanting the series to the '50s. Eventually, Lucas kind of wore Spielberg and Ford down.
Everyone liked the draft that Frank Darabont (The Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile, The Mist) turned in except Lucas. Lucas also refused to agree to do another Indy flick unless all three (Spielberg, Ford and Lucas) agreed on his idea (crystal skulls! aliens! new father/son dynamic!).
Ford and Spielberg weren't too keen on the science fiction stuff, but Lucas was adamant, especially if they were transplanting the series to the '50s. Eventually, Lucas kind of wore Spielberg and Ford down.
I doubt anyone had to force Spielberg to overdo a father/son dynamic in a film. Also according to Cheebs there are no aliens in the film, although that 50s UFO mystery atmosphere is present. I like Spielberg but I had hoped that after seeing what Lucas did to Star Wars he would refuse to do another Indy unless he got the perfect idea. Not even Manabyte would argue this was the perfect idea.
Like Doom and Crusade reused rejected Raiders scenes (the giant gong at the beginning of Doom and the mine cart were both from Raiders originally), Crystal Skull recycles something from EVERY Indy 4 script that came before it.
Every single Indy 4 script used the Crystal Skull Mcguffin, even your beloved Darabont one.
The jungle chase scene is from Chris Colombus' Indiana Jones and the Curse of the Monkey God.
The entire Doomtown sequence and the Alien element is from Jeb Stuart's Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men from Mars.
Theand most of the Indy/Mutt/Marion stuff is from Darabont's. In his,spoiler (click to show/hide)wedding[close]. If people were rolling their eyes at the nods to previous movies in Crystal Skull, that probably would've made them walk out.spoiler (click to show/hide)the wedding was the very first scene in the movie with Henry Sr., Willie Scott, Short Round, Brody, and Sallah among the guests[close]
Willco, if you liked Transformers, I don't see how you can't like this film. It's so so so much better than that.
Indiana Jones is an established universe with established rules and established character. It has to be compared against that... not Transformers.
I never really expected Indy 4 to be anything more than a quaint excuse to see the character on the big screen one last time.
I wish I could accept that, but we've heard stories about scripts being rewritten, rejected, kicked around, false starts, et cetera for more than a decade, which lead me to believe that they would not do a fourth movie unless they had another banger. Instead we get one of Lucas's warmed over shitty ideas.
Fans of an animated television commercial designed to sell toys? Transformers was never high art to begin with!
Cheebs timed exclusive review:
"Need to think more before I give it a number. But as I posted in the topic:
A bit too early to give my full thoughts but I'd say:
Raiders >>> Last Crusade > Crystal Skull >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Temple of Doom
Is it a Spielberg masterpiece like Close Encounters, Jaws or Raiders? No but it's a lot of fun, cant wait for the blu-ray. A worthy entry to the franchise and I am up for part 5 if they decide to do it."
From humdrum start to shrugging finish, George Lucas and Steven Spielberg's Crystal Skull bears almost no resemblance to its predecessors: It's absent the spark of Raiders of the Lost Ark, the grown-up menace and slapdash comedy of Temple of Doom, and the loose-limbed effervescence of Last Crusade. Much has been made of the decision to push the franchise into the late 1950s—away from the Nazis and biblical collectors' items and toward the Russians and ETs. Early word suggested a film verging on summer camp, as creaky ol' Indy (Harrison Ford) donned fedora and whip and Cate Blanchett slipped into dominatrix bob-cut for an outer-space trip flavored with the era's grade-Z conventions. But Crystal Skull is no fun at all: The dialogue's drab when not absolutely dumb; the actors seem lost if not outright listless; the scant action sequences appear to have been filmed entirely in front of green screens. (Is anyone sure that producer Lucas didn't actually direct?) And the storyline's a bunch of convoluted mumbo and pointless jumbo having to do with Russians and mind control and the mythical golden South American city of El Dorado, which may have been constructed by "visitors" who taught the locals how to, um, farm. Twenty years between offerings, and this is all the A-team could come up with?
At its best, Crystal Skull captures at least some of the excitement you remember from the first three films. (An early motorcycle chase is especially sharp.) But as the movie lumbered along, its story eventually disintegrating into sci-fi nonsense, I couldn't help but regret I was watching it. When we'd last seen Indiana Jones he was riding off into the sunset after having discovered the Holy Grail. It was the perfect ending to the series: simple, iconic, and lasting. I'd have preferred to remember him that way.
What's you guy's deal with Temple of Doom. It's good in it's own way. I refuse to believe Crystal skull is worse than temple of doom.
explain how the acting and pacing are awful.
It's been a while since i have seen it too. I really like the mine cart stuff and I even kind of liked short round.
Couple of other nitpicks I remember:
-Indy really has no bearing on the plot. He could have just been sitting at home, polishing his whip and the outcome would've been the exact same.
No, I'm saying that I get mildly annoyed when people use internet fanboys as an ego-boosting tool and it happens here a ton.
No, I'm saying that I get mildly annoyed when people use internet fanboys as an ego-boosting tool and it happens here a ton.
No, I'm saying that I get mildly annoyed when people use internet fanboys as an ego-boosting tool and it happens here a ton.
Why does everyone think the other three Indiana Jones movies are good movies? I enjoy them. They're fun, and he's beating up Nazis and brujos... but they're not anywhere near the best movies I've ever seen.
Why does everyone think the other three Indiana Jones movies are good movies? I enjoy them. They're fun, and he's beating up Nazis and brujos... but they're not anywhere near the best movies I've ever seen.That's because they are good movies. The first one in particular is an exceptionally well made film for it's time, and the other two are fun and imaginative adventure flicks.
I probably won't see this movie. Even folks with the blinders on (Cheebs, ManaByte) haven't had a glowing review - it's been stuff like, "Hey, this is like the third or fourth best Indiana Jones adventure! I mean, it might not be as good as the older ones, but it's got Indiana Jones and it was entertaining from start to finish!"
When that's your ceiling and the bottom is, "This was National fucking Treasure 3" - I think I might pass.
No, I'm saying that I get mildly annoyed when people use internet fanboys as an ego-boosting tool and it happens here a ton.
My friend called, who is a diehard Indiana Jones fanboy, and left a message that started off with:
"The first fucking shot, Will - the first fucking shot! - is CG. Fuck you, movie."
I saw it yesterday, it was alright, save for.spoiler (click to show/hide)the horrible monkey vine swinging scene[close]
I saw it yesterday, it was alright, save for.spoiler (click to show/hide)the horrible monkey vine swinging scene[close]
Yeah, that was definitely the worst part. Other than that, I liked it. It wasn't OMG AMAZING, but it was solid. It was better than the Mummy movies, so let's stop joking that The Mummy 3 directed by ROB F'ING COHEN is somehow going to be better. On the Indiana Jones Scale of Rose Tinted Childhood Nostaligia, I'd give it a 7, on the Summer Action/Adventure Blockbuster Scale I'd give it a 9, so let's split the difference and give it an 8/10.
See Mupepe? For every person who hates it, there is one who loves it. Go see it for yourself and decide.Eh, I hate going to the theaters generally. People have already pointed out the things I don't think I will like. So unless I find someone willing to tag along or get really bored, I'll wait til it hits Blu Ray. I like the original Indy movies but I'm not so passionate about the series that wondering whether it's good or not keeps me up at night. If it turns out to be shit, it won't bother me.
Am I the only one that really got a kick out of Cate Blanchett's character though? She is probably not strong enough to be a main villain, but Mola Ram aside these films have never been defined by their villains anyway.
I think I am going to NOT see this installment. In my universe, Indiana Jones ended with that horseback ride into the sunset, with the exceptionally entertaining Last Crusade.
I saw it yesterday, it was alright, save for.spoiler (click to show/hide)the horrible monkey vine swinging scene[close]
I saw it yesterday, it was alright, save for.spoiler (click to show/hide)the horrible monkey vine swinging scene[close]
Accurate review.
The jungle chase, save for the spoilered, which was an homage to older films, pretty much made the film awesome.
My running theory now is that if this was made in the eighties it wouldn't get any hate, but eh, it's a lost cause defending this movie which was well-received by most critics on any message board since the majority of people on the internet are determined to hate it anyway rather than be proved wrong, so chuck this fucking thread in the fire of illogical hate.
I refuse to believe the internet elite are this obtuse.
Indiana Jones only becomes complicated when you have another two people saying ‘I want it this way’ and ‘I want it that way’, whereas, when I first did Jones, I just said, ‘We’ll do it this way’ — and that was much easier. But now I have to accommodate everybody, because they are all big, successful guys, too, so it’s a little hard on a practical level.
Really, with the last one, Steven wasn’t that enthusiastic. I was trying to persuade him. But now Steve is more amenable to doing another one. Yet we still have the issues about the direction we’d like to take. I’m in the future; Steven’s in the past. He’s trying to drag it back to the way they were, I’m trying to push it to a whole different place. So, still we have a sort of tension. This recent one came out of that.