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Title: Comics discussion
Post by: Error2k4 on May 31, 2008, 12:30:52 AM
I think EB needs a comics discussion thread  :hyper
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Himu on May 31, 2008, 12:35:40 AM
Gracias Miguel.

Right now I am reading X-Factor, World War Hulk, Messiah Complex (Uncanny X-Men), Iron Man: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D, Astonishing X-Men (whedon), and New X-Men (Morrison). Oh and Secret Invasion which mostly seems lame. I've got the new Captain America, New Avengers, and Mighty Avengers in the queue, but I can't find fucking Avengers Disassembled and it's driving me mad. I don't think it matters though, because I've read House of M.

I recently got back into comics and I was hoping for some feedback from the more knowledgeable comic vets. Right now I'm only reading Marvel, but after I catch up on the current arcs, and then I'll move on to DC. After I catch up on the DC arcs I'll move on to the non Marvel, Dc stuff. If I could make threads, I would have made this thread myself.

Eric P, I'm counting on you. I need guidance, my brother. Non Marvel comics I'm reading now: Y: The Last Man, DMZ.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Himu on May 31, 2008, 12:36:18 AM
I just wanted to say that I love X-Factor to death. It's soooo good. Currently the best X-title right now.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: MrAngryFace on May 31, 2008, 12:55:50 AM
I want the new Fables release already goddamnit
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: MrAngryFace on May 31, 2008, 01:21:57 AM
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Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: BobbyRobby on May 31, 2008, 01:32:53 AM
I wish I had money to get back into comics.  What I read of X-Factor during Civil War was awesome.  Is everything pretty much the same since shortly after Civil War endded?  Are the New Avengers still underground?

The Avengers Disassembled Hardcover is only 11.50 on amazon. 
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: TVC15 on May 31, 2008, 01:35:54 AM
Himu you stupid cunt, read Sandman.  And shit by Alan Moore.  Get the first volume of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen NOW.  Fuck X shit.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Himu on May 31, 2008, 01:40:06 AM
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb165/mrangryface_bucket/1212205649635.gif)

:rofl
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Himu on May 31, 2008, 01:40:42 AM
Himu you stupid cunt, read Sandman.  And shit by Alan Moore.  Get the first volume of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen NOW.  Fuck X shit.

I have read some of Sandman. I own The Watchmen, V for Vendetta, and I'm also reading LXG.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Himu on May 31, 2008, 01:43:37 AM
I wish I had money to get back into comics.  What I read of X-Factor during Civil War was awesome.  Is everything pretty much the same since shortly after Civil War endded?  Are the New Avengers still underground?

The Avengers Disassembled Hardcover is only 11.50 on amazon. 

Avengers are still underground, yeah
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on May 31, 2008, 01:35:15 PM
i am currently going deep deep deep into the belly of the beast.

i have just started a read through of all of Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol.  So Far So Awesome.

i'm not really reading any of the current things from the big 2.  i am really looking forward to the starman omnibus becuase i've always heard great things about that comic.

i understand x-factor is good, but i'm not really interested in anything with an X in front of its name at the moment.

i'm also going through Tintin books and oddly not enjoying them as much as i thought i would.

my girlfriend just lent me Charles Burns' Black Hole.  I read the beginning when it was being published in some anthology, but never read this edition.

i'm eagerly awaiying the 3rd volume of Absolute Sandman
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Himu on May 31, 2008, 01:53:40 PM
you don't like tin tin? :(

do the big 2 ONLY do superhero stuff these days?
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Raban on May 31, 2008, 02:10:14 PM
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb165/mrangryface_bucket/1212205649635.gif)

I was only grinning until Dr. Manhattan, then I lmfao so hard
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on May 31, 2008, 02:51:58 PM
you don't like tin tin? :(

do the big 2 ONLY do superhero stuff these days?

i'm more of an asterix person myself
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: chronovore on June 01, 2008, 03:19:38 AM
Full-on roflwaffles at "i'd hit it" .gif - particularly the Apollo and Hank Pym frames.  :rofl :rofl

As a Japan resident, my comics are almost exclusively trade paperbacks, unless I think they're going to die if no-one buys the singles. I buy Peter David's Fallen Angel for that reason alone. I'm big into THE WALKING DEAD, Kirkman's zombie comic which kicks so much zombie ass, it's on par with Romero's Night of the Living Dead. I just finished League of Extraordinary Gentlemen - Black Dossier, which wasn't quite what I was hoping for after loving the first two.

Recently I read Ex Machina: The First Hundred Days and really dug it. It's more drama than tights, but it's clever and honest. I'll be getting more soon.

I'm getting Brian Wood stuff no matter what it is; DMZ and Couriers and Couscous Express and soon the remainder of it. I got into Brian Wood because he did the character design for GTA III, and I wish they'd stuck with his caricature-like style for the sequels.

My favorite comics of all time are Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, Alan Moore's run on Miracleman, and Grant Morrison's Invisibles.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on June 01, 2008, 10:02:50 AM
ex machina is great stuff.  i haven't kept up past the special they did two years ago or so, but it's really good reading.  it constantly focuses on the drama and not the tights, which i apprecaite
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Mupepe on June 01, 2008, 03:48:24 PM
Marvel is doing an adaption of The Stand <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 omg day one

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/thestand/STAND-1---Cover-Inks.jpg)
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/marvelcomics/thestand/STANDCREDITS.jpg)
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Kestastrophe on June 01, 2008, 04:40:17 PM
I have never been a fan of comics and I doubt I ever will. After hearing alot about the Watchmen recently, I decided to pick it up. I was disappointed to find out that it was a comic and not a novel (for some reason I thought that the term "graphic novel" meant that it was not the same as a comic). I've read the first 3 chapters so far and it is pretty good, but I would rather it be a traditional novel. I feel that I can reasonably appreciate art, but  comics just seem pretty silly to me. Perhaps it is  just a perception problem on my part, but reading comics just feels like reading a movie storyboard.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 01, 2008, 08:35:47 PM
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb165/mrangryface_bucket/1212361386814.jpg)
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on June 01, 2008, 08:58:09 PM
if you think that's silly, Flash has a treadmill he can use to travel through time
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on June 01, 2008, 08:58:18 PM
goddamn the silver age rules
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Himu on June 01, 2008, 10:18:35 PM
what's great about the silver age? I've tried to get into silver age comics and the writing is usually a lot worse than modern ones
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on June 01, 2008, 10:29:07 PM
i like the sense of wonder and the sheer insanity and surreal aspects.

oh, a comic which NEVER gets mentioned in these things

Paul Grist's Kane and also his Jack Staff

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Kane is a comic book series created, written and drawn by Paul Grist. Grist also self published it through his company, Dancing Elephant Press. It concerns a police detective who works in the 39th precinct of the fictional American city of New Eden, which seems to be located on the west coast. Despite being a UK citizen, Grist appears to have modeled New Eden and its police force in the style of American Cop shows such as Hill Street Blues and NYPD Blue. Another clear influence is the work of Frank Miller, particularly his Sin City comics. Cerebus was another formative influence, particularly because it proved to Grist that self-published comics were a viable proposition; the first issue of Cerebus that Grist read was #39, hence the designation of Kane's precinct.

Kane has a difficult relationship with his co-workers due to a violent encounter with his former partner, which unfolds gradually and in flashback during the series. Police corruption is a recurring theme however, Kane is also densely intertextual and brims with references to popular culture, particularly characters from British television, comics and films.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c4/KaneInside_Big.png)

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Jack Staff is a British superhero created by comic book writer/artist Paul Grist. He is billed as "Britain's Greatest Hero". It's known for being in the style of an anthology title and for its multi-linear plotlines.

He first saw print in comics published by Paul Grist's Dancing Elephant Press, and is now published by Image Comics. Comics International began exclusive publication of a monthly four-page strip featuring the supporting character Ben Kulmer (the Claw); this started in #185 of the magazine and was set to run for twelve episodes. These strips have since been reprinted by Image Comics in a special.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9c/Jackstaffdep0.jpg)
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Tauntaun on June 02, 2008, 11:29:16 AM
Just finished Planet Hulk and World War Hulk last week!  :punch  TAUNTAUN SMASH!  My sister let me borrow a Fables book, holy crap it was not what I was expecting.  It's like Berserk meets fairy tales.   :o
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: patrickula on June 02, 2008, 12:32:41 PM
I've read quite a few comics lately  :heartbeat comics :heartbeat

Stuff from my local library:
Black Hole - I like the art and I don't have any complaints with the storytelling or technicalities of the book.  I didn't care about or identify with all but maybe one of the characters though, while the plot itself was only occasionally particularly interesting (mostly towards the end).  I wished there was actually some scifi/nerd stuff about the STD instead of just high school angst. Not my thing I guess, though I enjoyed reading it and wouldn't recommend against doing so.
Five Fists of Science - nothing special unfortunately
Curses - some good stuff, mostly meh, too much text
Pyongyang - I'm really enjoying this.  The art isn't pretty but it works, and some pages/panels are very effective.  The subject matter is very interesting to me, I'm gonna have to look into finding more stuff about N. Korea.  Also reminds me that I want to get some more Joe Sacco stuff, which pushes some of the same buttons with me.

Bought:
Hellboy vol. 2: It's Hellboy, good fun, hot art :punch
Concrete vol. 1: Bought this one pretty much cold since I'd heard it was good and the art looked great.  It was pretty good, I'm buying the next volume to see how much I keep liking it.  Beautiful art and a well handled concept.  It's not afraid to go into nerdy/scifi stuff either!
Ultimates 2 HC: Mostly fuckawesome, though there was some real WTF stuff at the end.  And the red evil Captain America guy really didn't need to have a glowing lightsaber that wasn't a lightsaber.  Just dumb.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 02, 2008, 12:50:25 PM
Im a big Fables whore these days, and I used to never read comics.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: patrickula on June 02, 2008, 01:01:49 PM
:bow Fables :bow2
The one super long series I haven't gotten tired of collecting (I still need to start picking up Y and Walking Dead again).  Can't wait for the next volume.
I found Jack of Fables not so amazing though, after getting two volumes :-\
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 02, 2008, 01:05:52 PM
Jacks funnier when everyones kicking his ass. I dont like the whole 'jack running around havin fun'. I wanna see him suffer! But yeah, Jack of Fables is kinda zzzz.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Tauntaun on June 02, 2008, 01:25:15 PM
Im a big Fables whore these days, and I used to never read comics.

Dude, I thought you were ubernerd.  :'(  My dreams, they are crushed.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Diunx on May 08, 2009, 02:24:13 PM
Thread revived!

new Power Girl monthly :hyper

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e157/diunx/PG1p13.jpg)
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Cyanista on May 08, 2009, 02:28:00 PM
Rereading like, ALL of Joe Kelly's Deadpool.

I <3 CDisplay so much.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2009, 02:30:07 PM
Thread revived!

new Power Girl monthly :hyper

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e157/diunx/PG1p13.jpg)

what is this comic all about
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 02:33:48 PM
poor powergirl

:(

so maligned
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Diunx on May 08, 2009, 02:36:44 PM
Rereading like, ALL of Joe Kelly's Deadpool.

I <3 CDisplay so much.

I love Kelly's and Gail Simone run on Deadpool, Daniel Way is doing a great job too #10 came out this week and it was great.

what is this comic all about

Power Girl is Super girl from another universe or some shit like that, going by the first issue this is like super girl but with more comedy and not as serious.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2009, 02:40:54 PM
so it's DC, eh? Why'd they call it Power Girl and not put the Super Girl name on the cover and give it a different subtitle?
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Cyanista on May 08, 2009, 02:47:44 PM
Because Power Girl has been an established character since the 70's. 
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2009, 02:48:25 PM
So Power Girl is a totally different character from Super Girl, they're just similar.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Cyanista on May 08, 2009, 02:50:24 PM
Um...she's like an Earth-42 version of  Supergirl, or something.  It's like an alternate timeline thing.   She and supergirl are different people with very different personalities.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 08, 2009, 02:56:27 PM
once we finish explaining Powergirl let's talk about Hawkman's origins, or maybe Diana Star

viva la HYPERTIME

meanwhile in Real Comics, Seaguy 2 came out this week :hyper
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 08, 2009, 03:24:57 PM
i want to join in on these discussions but i hate modern mainstream comics

i have an almost embarrassing knowledge of comics published before 1990, though
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Tucah on May 08, 2009, 03:25:17 PM
I recently decided I wanted to read some superhero stuff so I've been going through Green Lantern before Blackest Night.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 03:32:39 PM
i want to join in on these discussions but i hate modern mainstream comics

i have an almost embarrassing knowledge of comics published before 1990, though

i can hang

let's rap, brother

but seriously check out Kane and Jack Staff
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 08, 2009, 03:44:17 PM
someone make a thread turning me on to some good modern mainstream stuff

i have been out of it for a few years (say 2002-03), with the exception of a few things i have downloaded and walking dead which i buy

leave anything written by geoff johns or touched by dan didio off the list plz k thx

as for older stuff, i just recently found out fantagraphics has published:

the basil woverton bible

the complete humbug! slipcased hardcover set

the complete blazing combat hardcover

i nearly wet myself

edit: also judd winick
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 03:58:23 PM
Personal Recommendations from Johanna Draper Carlson's List
http://comicsworthreading.com/category/graphic-novels/

(if vestal and I don't come to blows over some of this stuff, then we have failed)

A Treasury of Victorian Murder- Rick Geary explores famous historical murders
http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/02/20/a-treasury-of-victorian-murder/

Anything by Andi Watson is pretty great.
http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/02/07/breakfast-after-noon/
http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/02/09/dumped/
http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/03/14/slow-news-day/

Cairo
http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/12/20/cairo/

Exit Wounds
http://comicsworthreading.com/2007/12/05/exit-wounds/

Fun Home
http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/12/20/fun-home/

Hicksville
http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/10/04/hicksville/

Kane
http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/06/23/kane-greetings-from-new-eden/

Persepolis (or anything by Marjane Strapi)
http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/03/20/persepolis/

Queen And Country
http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/03/11/queen-country/

anything by Rick Spears and Rob G (either together or separate)
http://comicsworthreading.com/2005/12/15/teenagers-from-mars/
http://comicsworthreading.com/2005/12/15/dead-west/

Whiteout
http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/01/29/whiteout/
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: duckman2000 on May 08, 2009, 04:00:12 PM
I enjoyed Y: The Last Man, although I'm not sure I would recommend it due to the length of the series; I think it could have benefited from being compressed into a few less volumes.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2009, 04:06:42 PM
i fucking love ericp

he's like my favorite poster

it used to be tvc but he doesn't make fun of me as much anymore so i don't like him
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: bork on May 08, 2009, 04:08:21 PM
Thread revived!

new Power Girl monthly :hyper

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e157/diunx/PG1p13.jpg)

what is this comic all about

Powergirl is a DC comics superhero with a heavily-emphasized tits n' ass costume, and is considered a "deep" character because at some point the writers made it so she is aware other people are always staring at her (exposed) chest and pokes fun at it.   :P

This comic is from Jimmy Palmiotti and Amanda Conner, and I love their work.  They previously did a Power Girl mini-series, followed by a Terra mini-series, and now the Power Girl monthly.  They've also done some other work for DC, plus non-DC stuff like The Pro, a comic about a hooker who gets super powers.  The latter pokes fun at all the super hero stereotype stuff and is a fun read.

Non-Palmiotti/Conner Power Girl is boring as fuck.  DC also seemed like they had no idea what the hell to do with the character up until the last few years; her origin has been changed several times.  At one point they even dropped the whole "alternate Earth Supergirl" thing and made it so that she was actually from Atlantis.  You can see some various PG incarnations in the Power Girl TPB that came out a few years ago; I'd recommend picking it up, as it also contains the entire Palmiotti/Conner Power Girl mini series.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 08, 2009, 04:10:09 PM
Umbrella Academy - don't let the guyliner pedigree scare you, it's the bestest craziest superteam since Morrison's Doom Patrol, period full stop. You will love this series. Start with the Apocalypse Suite TPB.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Zones/UmbrellaAcademy

Queen and Country is fucking awesome, and the new "definitive" collections make it hyper-affordable

All-Star Superman by Morrison and Quitely is quite great. They also did We3, which if you haven't read yet, for fuck's sake read We3.

I love Morrison's 7 Soldiers of Victory so fucking much. If you want a comic with a plot that fits together like a rock-solid five-dimensional tesseract, this is the one.

I think Mike Carey's Lucifer is significantly underrated.

Pick up anything by Yoshihiro Tatsumi. Push-Man and Other Stories is a good starting place
http://www.amazon.com/Push-Man-Other-Stories/dp/1896597858/

Speaking of manga, Urusawa's 20th Century Boys and Pluto are both being published in English, finally. The former is an amazing apocalyptic thriller set in multiple time periods, the latter a "serious" retelling of the Astro Boy mythos. Either is well worth picking up.

Don't read anything by Millar, no matter what other people tell you. I read Chosen yesterday based on an interesting Comixology article, and boy did it fucking suck. I asked my friend to guess how it ended and he said, "with rape?" Har.  :-\ Also featuring the dumbest, most obvious "twist" ending since M. Night Shamalayan.

Also, though technically not modern, DC published some nice collections recently of kirby's Fourth World (4 books) and OMAC (1 book). They fucking rule! OMAC fucking rules! Fucking OMAC fuck yeah woo!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2009, 04:11:48 PM
They're finally releasing 20th Century Boys in English? Wow, that took a while.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 08, 2009, 04:13:48 PM
Urasawa demanded they finish publishing Monster in English before they got started on 20th Century Boys. On the plus side, 20CB is done now so hopefully they can get it out quickly.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2009, 04:29:08 PM
I remember hearing about Urasawa demand that. I've been meaning to pick up Monster, but seeing as how I've already read it..
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 04:35:01 PM
i fucking love ericp

he's like my favorite poster

it used to be tvc but he doesn't make fun of me as much anymore so i don't like him

thanks!  if you want, i can make fun of you so that all of your heroes are dead
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 04:37:39 PM
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I read Chosen yesterday based on an interesting Comixology article, and boy did it fucking suck. I asked my friend to guess how it ended and he said, "with rape?" Har.  Undecided Also featuring the dumbest, most obvious "twist" ending since M. Night Shamalayan.

i remember reading it when it came out in floppies and thought it was kind of dumb/obvious especially after things like Pratchett/Gaiman's Good Omens
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Debaser on May 08, 2009, 04:42:44 PM
My list not covering anything Eric P or Patel already mentioned, though nearly all of that's good too:

Finder - Gorgeous art, amazingly thought-out sci-fi world, and intense emotion. I recommend starting with the stand-alone vol. 4, Talisman, which is still like a punch in the gut every time I read it. Then go back and get all the rest.

Berlin - The second volume of Jason Lutes' examination of Weimar Germany just came out not too long ago. I haven't read it yet, but if it's amazing as the first volume, I really need to. (See also his one-volume book Jar of Fools, about down-on-their-luck stage magicians.)

How Patel didn't mention anything and everything by the mononymic Jason I have no idea, but you should start with Why Are You Doing This?; Hey, Wait; I Killed Adolf Hitler; The Left Bank Gang; and The Last Musketeer. Yes! Start with all of them!

I'll edit this post or post again once I'm at home and have access to my entire library and not just my offhand thoughts.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 08, 2009, 04:49:39 PM
Jason is awesome, awesome is Jason! I have no idea how Eric P left him off, either, considering our discussions. I guess I was trying to stay in the direct market mindset.

Anyways, yeah, just buy his complete works. Low Moon is coming in just a few weeks!
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 04:50:34 PM
I didn't mention jason because patel's ability to rhapsodize on him far outstrips my own, but yes, jason.  whole heartedly.

Finder I couldn't really get into, but i appreciate what it was doing, presenting a sort of social science fiction which seemed to intermingle with elements of low fantasy (at least the first few volumes which i read)

i was largely just going with the Comics Worth Reading.  I'll take a look at the stuff I have back home to see if anything comes to mind.

Hey, Eel, check out Penguins Book of Comics, which is a history of the from from a UK point of view.  Patel should read this as well because its name popped up in a few interviews with creators like morrison and other british invansion people.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 08, 2009, 04:53:23 PM
it's always interesting when I learn about something that was impactful/influencial in the UK but not in the US (like Ditko's Mr. A)

do you have a link to that Penguins book? can't find it on amazon
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 04:56:25 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Penguin-Book-Comics-History-graphic/dp/0140028021

horrible cover art

(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/fc/c4/aada225b9da0d648cf7d3110.L.jpg)
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 04:59:31 PM
I also snagged this after finding a horrible scan of it online

http://cgi.ebay.com/National-Lampoon-Comical-Funnies-Neal-Adams-Ploog-1976_W0QQitemZ270385470721QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiquarian_Collectible?hash=item3ef43add01&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A2|294%3A50

It's PJ O'Rourke doing a parody of a serious history of comics with many parody strips.  Absolutely wonderful
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Darunia on May 08, 2009, 05:16:38 PM
Recently finished All Star Superman, thought it was incredible. Issue 10 :bow In fact, every issue :bow

Picked up some GL trades too, started with Rebirth. Not really a good book for people not familiar with the history. Johns has to go from dead/in limbo Hal Jordan to living Hal, untying a lot of continuity knots along the way. This doesn't exactly make for great reading ('so that's why the ring didn't work on yellow!')

Then read No Fear (first vol 4 trade), which is a lot better. No more references to the past, just entertaining stories. I may continue to read the series.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 08, 2009, 05:21:18 PM
these are all wonderful suggestions, and i have indeed read some of them (and will look into others listed here), but they are mostly independent comics

is there any mainstream escapism worth reading nowadays?  i have read all-star superman and it's terrific (best luthor in years), and i have read some of ed brubaker's captain america (decent, but story arcs go on a bit too long)

is there anything published by the big two which doesn't only appeal to continuity fetishists?  i sent a list of my scans to eric and patel, and you can see from that i've tried to read some modern dc and marvel, but in all honesty i never make it more than a few pages into any of it (i mainly keep them for trading purposes)

modern superhero comics just strike me as more inbred than a tennessee family reunion

Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 08, 2009, 05:23:27 PM
if you want "mainstream" escapism, check out 7 Soldiers

most of the mainstream DC/Marvel is just a clusterfuck, though. it's moved past continuity porn into continuity snuff
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 08, 2009, 05:26:46 PM
oh, i did read wanted

 :yuck

"thanks for your money, now go fuck yourself"

although, as i have said before, millar used to write superman adventures and it was really good

i think alex ross is a worse writer than millar, though
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Darunia on May 08, 2009, 05:29:57 PM


is there anything published by the big two which doesn't only appeal to continuity fetishists?  i sent a list of my scans to eric and patel, and you can see from that i've tried to read some modern dc and marvel, but in all honesty i never make it more than a few pages into any of it (i mainly keep them for trading purposes)

I tend to shy away from continuity stuff too since I'm  new to comics, don't want all that baggage. This is what I've really enjoyed:

New X Men (Grant Morrison)
Astonishing X Men (only read 1-24, Ellis' run so far is crap)
Iron Man Extremis (I heard the Invincible Iron Man series is good too)
Ultimate Spider-man (really consistent in quality, a lot of fun to read)
DC: The New Frontier
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 05:39:05 PM
CAPTAIN BRITAIN AND MI-13!

read the first three issue story arc understanding that once they get the editorial demands out of the way, that it becomes really quite enjoyable

Dracula shoots vampires at England from the Moon to try to take over the country.

http://www.google.com/search?q=captain+britain+site%3Amediafire.com&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Diunx on May 08, 2009, 05:48:28 PM
these are all wonderful suggestions, and i have indeed read some of them (and will look into others listed here), but they are mostly independent comics

is there any mainstream escapism worth reading nowadays?  i have read all-star superman and it's terrific (best luthor in years), and i have read some of ed brubaker's captain america (decent, but story arcs go on a bit too long)

is there anything published by the big two which doesn't only appeal to continuity fetishists?  i sent a list of my scans to eric and patel, and you can see from that i've tried to read some modern dc and marvel, but in all honesty i never make it more than a few pages into any of it (i mainly keep them for trading purposes)

modern superhero comics just strike me as more inbred than a tennessee family reunion



The new Hercules and Captain Britain books are great, I'm also enjoying the new version of Deadpool.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: TVC15 on May 08, 2009, 06:11:07 PM
i fucking love ericp

he's like my favorite poster

it used to be tvc but he doesn't make fun of me as much anymore so i don't like him

You fucking cunt.  It was just a few days ago I wrote that story about you and wished you'd die.

Also, Seaguy! :hyper :hyper Send it to me tonight, Patel!  plz
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 06:21:31 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
google "nameofcomicyouwantofind site:mediafire.com"

http://www.google.com/search?q=seaguy+site%3Amediafire.com&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

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Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: duckman2000 on May 08, 2009, 06:51:46 PM
I assume everyone has already read WE3?

Oh, and if anyone wants them, I have a bunch of David Mack stuff that is just collecting dust. Some Kabuki episodes, and this limited edition Kabuki Collection envelope with cardboard images. I'm not really a Mack fan, and I have no idea where/how to sell comic stuff, so hey.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Reb on May 08, 2009, 06:52:25 PM
I assume everyone has already read WE3?

Just did, it was awesome.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on May 08, 2009, 08:52:54 PM
Thor is really really good. You can read it without reading any other Marvel comic and completely get what's going on.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: patrickula on May 08, 2009, 09:15:24 PM
I didn't think 7 Soldiers was all that great, but All-Star Superman is wonderful (the first volume anyway, haven't read the second yet).
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 09:33:16 PM
mainstream pap i like

hawkgirl - chaynkin and simonson bring us a moody woman who does not love the man she is destined to love.

garth ennis punisher - punisher, turned to 11

all new atom - gail simone and john bryne bring us a new schlep of a "hero"

blue beetle - tiny bit of continuity porn, but it's about a catholic teen hispanic blue beetle VERSUS THE UNIVERSE.  a lot of fun

checkmate - a bit continuity porny - secret agent superheroes from ruka

conan - darkhorse did a damn great job on this series.  speaking as a conan fanboy

cthulhu - EXCELLENT horror series.  think sandman, but dark as fuck.  not a plot faithful adaptation but a tone faithful one. 

drafted - humanity is invaded and pressganged into an intergalactic war by a "benevolant" race.  seriously, this is stupid good

girls - i am saying nothing about this series for fear of giving you any sort of preconceptions.  just go and get it.

immortal iron fist - matt faction and rucka rock your pathetic face off with the adventures of a multimillionaire kung fu master

pigeons from hell - joe r lansdale adapts robert e howard and kills a lot of people





Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Darunia on May 08, 2009, 09:36:54 PM
Been reading the new Deadpool series just now, it's pretty good. Best moment so far: http://i40.tinypic.com/2f07oza.jpg



Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Debaser on May 08, 2009, 10:32:37 PM
girls - i am saying nothing about this series for fear of giving you any sort of preconceptions.  just go and get it

I finally disagree with you on something! (Well, besides Finder, I guess.) I found Girls to be kind of obvious and ultimately pointless. Also rather clumsily drawn.

Anyway, to round out the rest of my filthy indie picks now that I'm at home... um... actually, I covered pretty much everything I wanted to except for Gene Yang's awesome American-Born Chinese.

For mainstream stuff, I'll second Eric P's recommendation of Immortal Iron Fist and add Empowered, a tongue-in-cheek parody of T'n'A superheroine books; Planetary, an awesome pastiche/investigation of popular comics in general; and Girl Genius, which I guess is technically indie but has everything I wish mainstream superhero stuff had in it, so I say it counts. (Get the color volumes, not the B&W ones.)
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 10:39:47 PM
have you read The Sword?
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Debaser on May 08, 2009, 10:44:01 PM
have you read The Sword?

No, is that from the Luna brothers too?
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 10:44:45 PM
yeah it's their new series.  check it out.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: TVC15 on May 08, 2009, 10:50:55 PM
What exactly is the definition of "continuity porn?"
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: duckman2000 on May 08, 2009, 10:52:12 PM
David Mack: officially so shit that you can get even give the shit away.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Debaser on May 08, 2009, 10:54:27 PM
What exactly is the definition of "continuity porn?"

If you'd read the thread we had a few months ago*, you wouldn't have to ask.

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*Gotcha! There was no such thread. -Smilin' Stan
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Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 10:59:17 PM
What exactly is the definition of "continuity porn?"

fan service of the highest calibre so that only people who have been reading a book for literally years will know why X character doing Y action is TOTALLYFUCKINGAWESOMEPANTSOMGICAN'TWAITTOBLOGTHIS!
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: TVC15 on May 08, 2009, 11:01:56 PM
What exactly is the definition of "continuity porn?"

fan service of the highest calibre so that only people who have been reading a book for literally years will know why X character doing Y action is TOTALLYFUCKINGAWESOMEPANTSOMGICAN'TWAITTOBLOGTHIS!

That's what I figured, but isn't there a big difference between the focus on continuity in Blue Beetle and say, the X-Men comics?  I think a bit of continuity is fine and doesn't necessarily make it porno.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Debaser on May 08, 2009, 11:03:24 PM
Continuity porn is a story or entire series built entirely around celebrating the company's history and characters, rather than telling an interesting story. Like when Geoff "Captain Yesterday" Johns writes the Justice Society of America to bring back Wildcat and the like, characters no one wanted or cared about for a decade before the series started. (Substitute "Paul Jenkins" for "Geoff Johns" and "Captain Marvel" for "the JSA" and you've got the same syndrome on Marvel's side.) DC in particular has been really egregious about it recently: ever since Zero Hour, they do a new continuity-resetting miniseries every few years that accomplishes nothing except to make things more complicated, not less. Other examples of continuity porn:

-Infinite Crisis
-Wolverine: Origins
-The new Booster Gold series
-X-Men: Legacy
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 11:05:54 PM
What exactly is the definition of "continuity porn?"

fan service of the highest calibre so that only people who have been reading a book for literally years will know why X character doing Y action is TOTALLYFUCKINGAWESOMEPANTSOMGICAN'TWAITTOBLOGTHIS!

That's what I figured, but isn't there a big difference between the focus on continuity in Blue Beetle and say, the X-Men comics?  I think a bit of continuity is fine and doesn't necessarily make it porno.

yeah you're right there is a bit of a difference

blue beetle, slutty myspace shots

x-men gaping asshole 14 way horse bukkake gang bang of some underage eastern european girl who lost a leg to a landmine fleeing bosnia
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: patrickula on May 09, 2009, 12:30:56 AM
Planetary's good... I'm looking forward to the fourth volume finally coming out  :lol
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 09, 2009, 02:24:13 AM
conan - darkhorse did a damn great job on this series.  speaking as a conan fanboy

I would just like to mention that I also love DarkHorse's Conan series. I buy all the TPBs, they're awesome.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 09, 2009, 03:56:47 AM
A good, concrete example of continuity porn is the episode of Enterprise dedicated to explaining why Klingons had smooth foreheads in TOS but bumpy foreheads in TNG. It's smoothing over something fanboys care about first and being a narrative second if at all.
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Diunx on May 09, 2009, 12:24:43 PM
I hope that when Osborn loses his shit Spidey is the one that takes him down, its about time they let spiderman kick some major league ass again  :spiderman :punch
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Diunx on May 21, 2009, 06:25:35 PM
There was a Detective Comics #854 preview on supergirl this week! it looks fucking gorgeous :hyper :hyper

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e157/diunx/th_SupergirlV5412425.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e157/diunx/?action=view&current=SupergirlV5412425.jpg)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e157/diunx/th_SupergirlV54126.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e157/diunx/?action=view&current=SupergirlV54126.jpg)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e157/diunx/th_SupergirlV54127.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e157/diunx/?action=view&current=SupergirlV54127.jpg)
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Eric P on May 21, 2009, 06:26:36 PM
the costume really works there.

love the redesign
Title: Re: Comics discussion
Post by: Diunx on May 21, 2009, 08:11:40 PM
Invincible was AWESOME! this book has the best fights on the superhero genre.