i guess shawn's gonna get turned on by the raving rabbids at gaf nowMost of his blog isn't even directed at the game but he calls out other people
i guess shawn's gonna get turned on by the raving rabbids at gaf nowMost of his blog isn't even directed at the game but he calls out other people
Is there a NeoGAF topic for this?
GFW guys come across as the only actual human beings in game journalism.
Calling out a corporate mouthpiece like Ryan Payton and forum posters isn't exactly bold journalism. Shane and IGN deserve it.
GFW guys come across as the only actual human beings in game journalism.
Calling out a corporate mouthpiece like Ryan Payton and forum posters isn't exactly bold journalism. Shane and IGN deserve it.
I thought Gamespot gets more hits than IGN.
i'm enjoying mgs4, but the plot is nonsense cut straight out of the xenogears cloth. it's superficially deep, with detailed data exposition (military fetishism and conspiracy memes in mgs4; gnosticism/qabalah and arthur c clarke in in xenogears) endeavoring to replace depth of metaphor and narrative. mgs4 is ultimately nothing more than a gundam plot covered in said research and occasionally tapping at the fourth wall. it's only deep if you don't read books or watch movies in an y regular form.You are awesome
all I ever see from him talk about or post when he talks about MGS4. Guess he really hates MGS cut scenes and topics.
Does Shawn make it his point to rip on MGS4 or something? Even when the first gameplay trailer was released, it wasn't long before he was complaining about the gun models, set-pieces, wonky animations, bland textures, and more.
And now he devotes an entire blog post to to why the game isn't as "deep" as anyone thinks? Is he unable to enjoy the game because he knows other people really, really like it? Just take the game for what it is, Shawn. If you don't like it, you don't have to let the entire world know, while at the same time act condescending towards those who DO enjoy the game.
I guess I can look forward to the next episode of GFW, which I'm sure will have the theme of "hate on MGS4."
I would like to share some of my favorite quotes from the 1up thread on GAF:Quote from: Elbrainall I ever see from him talk about or post when he talks about MGS4. Guess he really hates MGS cut scenes and topics.Quote from: Jack ScofieldDoes Shawn make it his point to rip on MGS4 or something? Even when the first gameplay trailer was released, it wasn't long before he was complaining about the gun models, set-pieces, wonky animations, bland textures, and more.
And now he devotes an entire blog post to to why the game isn't as "deep" as anyone thinks? Is he unable to enjoy the game because he knows other people really, really like it? Just take the game for what it is, Shawn. If you don't like it, you don't have to let the entire world know, while at the same time act condescending towards those who DO enjoy the game.
I guess I can look forward to the next episode of GFW, which I'm sure will have the theme of "hate on MGS4."
So now we have reviewers critiquing reviews? ::)What's wrong with someone calling out reviewers as paid advertisers?
Load times, framerate drops, cut scene length, and length of single player campaign are only problems in PS3 exclusives.
I would like to share some of my favorite quotes from the 1up thread on GAF:Quote from: Elbrainall I ever see from him talk about or post when he talks about MGS4. Guess he really hates MGS cut scenes and topics.Quote from: Jack ScofieldDoes Shawn make it his point to rip on MGS4 or something? Even when the first gameplay trailer was released, it wasn't long before he was complaining about the gun models, set-pieces, wonky animations, bland textures, and more.
And now he devotes an entire blog post to to why the game isn't as "deep" as anyone thinks? Is he unable to enjoy the game because he knows other people really, really like it? Just take the game for what it is, Shawn. If you don't like it, you don't have to let the entire world know, while at the same time act condescending towards those who DO enjoy the game.
I guess I can look forward to the next episode of GFW, which I'm sure will have the theme of "hate on MGS4."
Why are they you favorite? Because they disagree and that is humorous to you? To me it seams that this guy is going out of his way to say, apparently for the umpteenth time, that he doesn't thing MGS4 is that great. Why do we even care what he thinks anyway?
I'm saying reviews in general, not this guy's BS. 1up is a pro 360 site and he should be struck by lightning for accusing of Sony moneyhats as if to say that 1up never received anything from MS. ::)So now we have reviewers critiquing reviews? ::)What's wrong with someone calling out reviewers as paid advertisers?
Load times, framerate drops, cut scene length, and length of single player campaign are only problems in PS3 exclusives.
And he's not even touching on load times and that stuff but on the hyperbole, go read the OP again.
I'm saying reviews in general, not this guy's BS. 1up is a pro 360 site and he should be struck by lightning for accusing of Sony moneyhats as if to say that 1up never received anything from MS. ::)So now we have reviewers critiquing reviews? ::)What's wrong with someone calling out reviewers as paid advertisers?
Load times, framerate drops, cut scene length, and length of single player campaign are only problems in PS3 exclusives.
And he's not even touching on load times and that stuff but on the hyperbole, go read the OP again.
I'm saying reviews in general, not this guy's BS. 1up is a pro 360 site and he should be struck by lightning for accusing of Sony moneyhats as if to say that 1up never received anything from MS. ::)So now we have reviewers critiquing reviews? ::)What's wrong with someone calling out reviewers as paid advertisers?
Load times, framerate drops, cut scene length, and length of single player campaign are only problems in PS3 exclusives.
And he's not even touching on load times and that stuff but on the hyperbole, go read the OP again.
I'm not saying he's saying they're literally taking money, just that they sound like paid advertisers. But you're one of those conspiracy mongers, so whateverI'm saying reviews in general, not this guy's BS. 1up is a pro 360 site and he should be struck by lightning for accusing of Sony moneyhats as if to say that 1up never received anything from MS. ::)So now we have reviewers critiquing reviews? ::)What's wrong with someone calling out reviewers as paid advertisers?
Load times, framerate drops, cut scene length, and length of single player campaign are only problems in PS3 exclusives.
And he's not even touching on load times and that stuff but on the hyperbole, go read the OP again.
(re: shane bettenhausen) wait, how fucking ill-informed do you hafta be to NOT know about PMCs these days? pick up a fucking newpaper! there was a good three months where every joke in an evening show comedian's monologue referenced fucking blackwater. FIRE THIS IDIOT POST-HASTE
I'm saying reviews in general, not this guy's BS. 1up is a pro 360 site and he should be struck by lightning for accusing of Sony moneyhats as if to say that 1up never received anything from MS. ::)
Just to clarify PMC is an acronym for those security companies like Blackwater that have been in the news since Iraq got occupied?
I thought it must have been something from the future if people havent been thinking about them yet and that I missed some new development in military stuff, turns out its just non governmental security organizations, guns for hire. How the hell is that new, this shit has been around since the stone age only to dissapear shortly between 1792/1990.
Precisely my point. The problem is Kojima doesn't realize that the most of fun in the game comes from the wacky bosses and the absurd setup of the thing (or he doesn't want to admit it) so he dresses it up with serious overtones. It's like Takashi Murakami if you removed all the tongue in cheek stuff. Most people don't watch goofy anime for the deep stories, they watch it precisely for the goofy samurai/vampire hunters/robots.
prof. r. astley's musical piece "never gonna give you up" made me think about all these high-school dropouts i impregnated and abandoned without even paying for the abortion -- which, in a way, i hadn't before. the fact that astley brings up these real issues and brings them to light for people who don't really think about them... when i see "never gonna give you up" transcending the medium, pushing the envelope... when i hear people complain that there are 'too many repeats of the chorus' i think, 'you're a peasant.'
well, if i ever want to win the vociferous laudations (lol) of internet nerds, remind me to plot my game based on that heady melange of fringe wikipedia content and raw animu fanservice
i'm going to make a game based on the hermetic order of the golden dawn, starring alistair crowley as a gothic lolita
don't lie; you'd buy it
i'm looking at you, patel
Army of Two did PMCs better
Pimp out zee AK
Did Ryan forget that Konami wasn't letting reviewers mention aspects of the game?
I like the defense for anyone criticising MGS4 or any MGS story is that "they don't get it" and can't appreciate it or it's some sort of high art that a normal fan wouldn't get. Much like the animu and japan worshippers claim they're the only ones who understand Japan.
I wonder how many of them actually enjoy MGS and only play it because if they don't it would be like admitting they're not as intune with Japan and other otaku as they thought.
I like the defense for anyone criticising MGS4 or any MGS story is that "they don't get it" and can't appreciate it or it's some sort of high art that a normal fan wouldn't get. Much like the animu and japan worshippers claim they're the only ones who understand Japan.
I wonder how many of them actually enjoy MGS and only play it because if they don't it would be like admitting they're not as intune with Japan and other otaku as they thought.
I'm also a bit surprised that people are so receptive of things that are damned near hammered in. I tend to find most thoughtful the things that are delivered on the side or on the sly, so to speak. Kojima has been pushing this damned PMC military economy angle like a three-breasted whore since it was unveiled, and if anything, this has made the apathetic to the whole thing. Not the PMC deal itself, but if my first real "experience" with the PMC industry came from MGS4, I doubt I'd be all that interested in finding out more. Of course, I've had this problem with all MGS games I've played; the excruciatingly complex storytelling and the tendency of Kojima to simply over-explain things has made it somewhat inapproachable.
Army of Two did PMCs better
Pimp out zee AK
You see, what gets me is that I was expecting Kojima to try to make some sort of serious statement about PMCs. MGS1 had a nuke/general anti-war message that while not unique, was played pretty effectively, considering the source was a video game. MGS2 delivered a pretty spiffy narrative that riffed on living in the information age and was vaguely Baudrillardian. MGS3 did a nice cold war, pseudo-historical thing. MGS4 at first seems like it's going to have some sort of message about PMCs, a subject that's ripe for going over, but instead it tackles PMCs from a pure science fiction angle that doesn't really have any relevance to the real world issues of PMCs. I know, I was probably expecting too much from a videogame, but being that Kojima delivered interesting, great for videogames, narratives with his previous games, the bar was set quite a bit high for this game.
MGS4's story was a letdown from any perspective. Tsk tsk Kojima.
2 is legitimately bad from a gameplay perspective though.
But MGS4 - what the fuck is MGS4 going to do for the future of gaming?
The problem with 2 is the fact that it relies on one offs for most of the game after the tanker, while the main gameplay mechanic (stealth) is shunted to secondary duty. there is a lot of crappy fetch type or escort or swimming mechanics that don't work or don't augment the game at all. Add to that the general lousiness of the bosses and you have yourself a mess. At least with three the main point was sneaking around bad guys, not freezing c4 :-\. Three has the issue with the survival viewer and I can see how that would piss alot of people off, but at least it goes along with the fundamental gamplay.
Is this the same Shawn Elliott who acts like his shit dont stank and that his annoying voices are actually funny?
mgs's narrative strengths are visual and thematic -- the actual plotting is nonsense and the actual words are inept. i don't know how much of the latter is due to translation. kojima called george lucas a genius in a recent interview, and mgs4 has an unfortunate lucas streak: it retcons too eagerly, it ties loose ends too neatly, and its explanations
a. don't really explain anything
b. rub the glamour off series mysteries -- the patriots' backstory is moronic, and i'll have to ignore it when i replay mgs2 and mgs3
mgs is fanatical about detail -- there's something autistic about this, but there's something artistic about it as well. mgs4's confrontations and action scenes have mgs3's idiosyncratic wildness, and snake's premature aging has a certain pathos -- as mgs3's relationship between snake and the boss did, and as mgs1's unintentionally hilarious death soliloquies did not. mgs2 had other things on its mind.
here's the thing about mgs: in some ways it's really crude and stupid and embarrassing, and in other ways it's
remarkably sophisticated. it's trying to do something new with it's storytelling, but it's too late in the day to do anything really new (the preceding statement is as close as i'll come to referencing postmodernism) -- and mgs is particularly burdened by the movies and books and ideas that precede it. it doesn't shy away from that burden; it tries to carry it and often stumbles. it's easier to scoff at the things it does badly than to appreciate the things it does well -- particularly if you're an internet cynic of limited intelligence who wants very badly to sound intelligent. those folks will praise something like bioshock instead, since they're insufficiently literate to know that a rejoinder to ayn rand in the year of our lord 2007 is pretty embarrassing too. good for them. fuck them.
The trouble, if there is any, lies in leading readers to believe that a videogame is the Second Coming...even if it is a lower-case fourth.
it's easier to scoff at the things it does badly than to appreciate the things it does well -- particularly if you're an internet cynic of limited intelligence who wants very badly to sound intelligent
Spoilers within, and rantingspoiler (click to show/hide)The Zero thing really rubbed me the wrong way. When I first heard about it, when the spoilers hit, I was kind of excited, because I mistakenly assumed that the story would be as good as previous games (I agree with drohne in that previous games always seemed pretty good about keeping their details straight--the series had good continuity, and I expected them to keep explaining things well). So anyway, when I first heard the Zero thing, I was cool with it. Zero was my favorite character in MGS3 and I wanted to see how they turned the personable brit into basically the big bad of the series. And then the explanation ended up being "Well, he turned BAD!" with no real explanation. Similar to how the explanation for Ocelot turning against Eva and Big Boss was "Well, he turned BAD!" And Raiden? "Well, he turned into a BADASS CYBORG NINJA. And then he turned BACK INTO A NORMAL DUDE." And then Big Boss? "Well, we put him back together again LIKE HUMPTY DUMPTY and now he is going to GIVE EXPOSITION AND DIE FIVE MINUTES LATER!" As long as we're not really explaining things here, I wish Snake would get a pony, too![close]spoiler (click to show/hide)Having Zeo as the founder wasn't the worst offender either, it was lumping in all the codec characters together as the founding members. Remeber that girl who told you about snakebites and made godzilla references in the third game? Well she helped found a group bent on world domination. The kid good with electronics? His legacy created the world superpower. It was like Kojima had a checklist of characters to include and the game had to include every one before it would ship.[close]
You guys are beating the game already? Is it short or were you just addicted?
I was dissapointed that they offered nothing new in the form of story or characters, they just traded on people you already knew existed and events you had already played. It felt like a season finale instead of a brand new game.
I was dissapointed that they offered nothing new in the form of story or characters, they just traded on people you already knew existed and events you had already played. It felt like a season finale instead of a brand new game.
I know criti--I mean journa--I mean the guys who get paid to write about videogames jack off any game that plays well and has some semblance of an intelligent story. And I know there's always a Shawn Elliot to come along and play monday morning quarterback. I know there's a shitload of truth to what Shawn Elliot is saying and I agree there's nothing redeeming about MGS4 that informs my real world experience...except maybe some curiosity about nanomachines, since they're supposedly the next world-changing leap in technology, according to some. By "some curiosity" I mean I'll read a wiki on it, eventually. I also know Mr. Shane needs to pick up a newspaper some time...video games won't keep you connected buddy...it IS an escapist hobby :lol
but why does the review reviewer always have to throw in lines like this:QuoteThe trouble, if there is any, lies in leading readers to believe that a videogame is the Second Coming...even if it is a lower-case fourth.
They say this about GTAIV, CoD4, Halo 3, NG2, DMC4, Bioshock etc. just about any AAA game--where's the secret stockpile of games that are REALLY at the pinnacle of gaming? It's really annoying when these guys go overboard in this direction just to show their oppositional defiance. We all have our favorite games, but when you start saying MGS4 is not hot shit, you're probably a bit jaded (I'm talking gameplay here.)
Spoilers within, and rantingspoiler (click to show/hide)The Zero thing really rubbed me the wrong way. When I first heard about it, when the spoilers hit, I was kind of excited, because I mistakenly assumed that the story would be as good as previous games (I agree with drohne in that previous games always seemed pretty good about keeping their details straight--the series had good continuity, and I expected them to keep explaining things well). So anyway, when I first heard the Zero thing, I was cool with it. Zero was my favorite character in MGS3 and I wanted to see how they turned the personable brit into basically the big bad of the series. And then the explanation ended up being "Well, he turned BAD!" with no real explanation. Similar to how the explanation for Ocelot turning against Eva and Big Boss was "Well, he turned BAD!" And Raiden? "Well, he turned into a BADASS CYBORG NINJA. And then he turned BACK INTO A NORMAL DUDE." And then Big Boss? "Well, we put him back together again LIKE HUMPTY DUMPTY and now he is going to GIVE EXPOSITION AND DIE FIVE MINUTES LATER!" As long as we're not really explaining things here, I wish Snake would get a pony, too![close]spoiler (click to show/hide)Having Zeo as the founder wasn't the worst offender either, it was lumping in all the codec characters together as the founding members. Remeber that girl who told you about snakebites and made godzilla references in the third game? Well she helped found a group bent on world domination. The kid good with electronics? His legacy created the world superpower. It was like Kojima had a checklist of characters to include and the game had to include every one before it would ship.[close]
Shawn mentions what was rubbing me up the wrong way.
We had 'expert' critique of Edge, Eurogamer and anyone who didn't go beyond 9.something.
We had questions about thier integrity, how they were just ragging on a high profile title.
And Buzz, Cack, Chob, FudgeRoof, Fugnut, Arzcandle and other weird name magazines from europe who threw out 10/10 were taken with out the reviews being read.
It's obvious why : the reviews mean nothing, the score is just a validation of these peoples belief in MGS4.
I tried to draw the PS3 fans out as to -who- was a reliable review source, but almost everyone was too balless to cough up a name (one person said Parish, but that was it).
My copy is still in transit, so obviously the definitive XF#G review has yet to happen.
really, though, this is a non-assertion -- the same could be said of those who praise it.
a bunch of fancy words
i can't read the spoiler posts, cos i've just finished act 3. which actually lowered my opinion of the game on just about every level...though it has its moments.
spoiler (click to show/hide)did you notice the scarabs were following in their suit the whole time? i saw it once and thought I was seeing things. i think it's the first time in a game someone has managed to fuck with me.[close]
mgs3>mgs2
and yeah: mgs4's biggest burden is mgs. it spends so much time dredging up every mgs character and plot point ever that it can't really stand on its own. it's kind of sad that The Single Best Videogame Ever is so exclusively addressed to series fans. i love mgs, but i hope kojima follows through on his desire to drop mgs. this kind of talent needs a broader outlet
spoiler (click to show/hide)did you notice the scarabs were following in their suit the whole time? i saw it once and thought I was seeing things. i think it's the first time in a game someone has managed to fuck with me.[close]
You'll weep at how many times he brings up the military industrial complex. :'(
spoiler (click to show/hide)did you notice the scarabs were following in their suit the whole time? i saw it once and thought I was seeing things. i think it's the first time in a game someone has managed to fuck with me.[close]
it spends so much time dredging up every mgs character and plot point ever that it can't really stand on its own.Except for the 2D games, because Kojima apparently hates those for some unknown reason.
Here, sir.spoiler (click to show/hide)did you notice the scarabs were following in their suit the whole time? i saw it once and thought I was seeing things. i think it's the first time in a game someone has managed to fuck with me.[close]
wait, you mean during the actual level? i didn't notice, and that's AWESOME if so
You know, that first part of Act 3 is probably the only part of the game I legitimately did not like. I'll even give the hours of scenes that much--for how pointless some of them seemed, I enjoyed watching them all (even if they are only enjoyable once). That first part of Act 3, though, that will never be good, under any light. Such a wasted, pretty area.
MGS2 falls apart when I try to play it once I get to the bomb diffusing section. I hate hate HATE timed segments. And then there's the terrible underwater portion after that. Jesus, it's amazing how high my opinion of that game is when it definitely has the worst gaming moments in the entire series. That's the kind of bonus I'm willing to give Kojima for telling a moderately clever story.
You know, that first part of Act 3 is probably the only part of the game I legitimately did not like. I'll even give the hours of scenes that much--for how pointless some of them seemed, I enjoyed watching them all (even if they are only enjoyable once). That first part of Act 3, though, that will never be good, under any light. Such a wasted, pretty area.
I think it was kind of cool, but it could have been handled far better. I liked the idea of using stealth in areas outside of the battlefield. Just stalking him or doing the whole scout thing were both really cool for me.
rather, i think there's a little TOO much internet experience going on, here, and that we're seeing yet another hyped game become a flashpoint for the usual imbroglio of warring agendas: sfags versus xfags; "pure" gamers versus the experiental set; anime fans versus frat boys; yadda yadda yadda. this argument, as unfortunately embodied in tom chick's clever-but-completely-irrelevant review, is about the fucking internet
MGS2 falls apart when I try to play it once I get to the bomb diffusing section. I hate hate HATE timed segments. And then there's the terrible underwater portion after that. Jesus, it's amazing how high my opinion of that game is when it definitely has the worst gaming moments in the entire series. That's the kind of bonus I'm willing to give Kojima for telling a moderately clever story.
mgs2 is totally redeemed because it insults gamers at the end for being self-absorbed.
Since when do vampires and chinamen have shark-summoning abilities? HE WAS JUST MAKING SHIT UP!You were going to fight Chinaman in that oxygenated water chamber. His dragon tattoo would come to life and swim around in the water and attack you.
Since when do vampires and chinamen have shark-summoning abilities? HE WAS JUST MAKING SHIT UP!
i am sad that they retconned out the freaky boss powers as midichloriansnanomachines
Since when do vampires and chinamen have shark-summoning abilities? HE WAS JUST MAKING SHIT UP!
Yeah, fucking awesome shit.
I mean, Laughing Octopus has octocamo, yet there is no practical use BECAUSE SHE HAS FUCKING TENTACLES COMING OUT OF HER HEAD!
i am sad that they retconned out the freaky boss powers asmidichloriansnanomachines
HIDEO LUCAS CONFIRMED
FANS NEED CANON
Did anyone else cringe at (DON'T READ THIS DRONE) *Its about the ending:lolspoiler (click to show/hide)The dude Snakes meets up with dieing (don't want to name him incase someone hovers over the spoiler)? And by dieing I mean almost dieing about 20 different times during that whole freakin scene? He spouts out some explanation for one important story aspect, flails about, gets better, then spouts another story about The Patriots, flails again, THEN TALKS SOME MO'. It was so ridiculous, I actually said to myself "Just die already!"[close]
I do applaud Kojima's combination of the gun-toting black man and the magical negro archetypes, though. That's groundbreaking.
Did anyone else cringe at (DON'T READ THIS DRONE) *Its about the ending:lolspoiler (click to show/hide)The dude Snakes meets up with dieing (don't want to name him incase someone hovers over the spoiler)? And by dieing I mean almost dieing about 20 different times during that whole freakin scene? He spouts out some explanation for one important story aspect, flails about, gets better, then spouts another story about The Patriots, flails again, THEN TALKS SOME MO'. It was so ridiculous, I actually said to myself "Just die already!"[close]
Oh godspoiler (click to show/hide)That scene so had me rolling my eyes. After giving succulent fan service for 15 hours, what's the only way to top it? Bring the Mythical Figure at the heart of the entire series back to life! But he isn't even brought back for a meaningful story reason. He just kind of shows up and talks for a bit, then dies again/[close]
The Pain used pheromones, and The Sorrow could have been a schizophrenic break, since Naked Snake is the only person who ever saw him. I am at a loss to explain Volgin's lightning bolts, though. KUWABARA, KUWABARA.
The Pain used pheromones, and The Sorrow could have been a schizophrenic break, since Naked Snake is the only person who ever saw him. I am at a loss to explain Volgin's lightning bolts, though.What about Gene and Null? Why does no one care about PO? :gloomy
Did anyone else cringe at (DON'T READ THIS DRONE) *Its about the ending:lolspoiler (click to show/hide)The dude Snakes meets up with dieing (don't want to name him incase someone hovers over the spoiler)? And by dieing I mean almost dieing about 20 different times during that whole freakin scene? He spouts out some explanation for one important story aspect, flails about, gets better, then spouts another story about The Patriots, flails again, THEN TALKS SOME MO'. It was so ridiculous, I actually said to myself "Just die already!"[close]
Oh godspoiler (click to show/hide)That scene so had me rolling my eyes. After giving succulent fan service for 15 hours, what's the only way to top it? Bring the Mythical Figure at the heart of the entire series back to life! But he isn't even brought back for a meaningful story reason. He just kind of shows up and talks for a bit, then dies again/[close]
I do applaud Kojima's combination of the gun-toting black man and the magical negro archetypes, though. That's groundbreaking.
Not to mention how he actually made it so that the two intelligent scientific black people in the universe were actually the same person. (Because there can't be more than one, you know).Did anyone else cringe at (DON'T READ THIS DRONE) *Its about the ending:lolspoiler (click to show/hide)The dude Snakes meets up with dieing (don't want to name him incase someone hovers over the spoiler)? And by dieing I mean almost dieing about 20 different times during that whole freakin scene? He spouts out some explanation for one important story aspect, flails about, gets better, then spouts another story about The Patriots, flails again, THEN TALKS SOME MO'. It was so ridiculous, I actually said to myself "Just die already!"[close]
Oh godspoiler (click to show/hide)That scene so had me rolling my eyes. After giving succulent fan service for 15 hours, what's the only way to top it? Bring the Mythical Figure at the heart of the entire series back to life! But he isn't even brought back for a meaningful story reason. He just kind of shows up and talks for a bit, then dies again/[close]
God, I hated that. It'd be like if Jesus returned for the Second Coming at the end of Revelations, only to die again and say, "Just be cool dawgs, that's all that matters."The Pain used pheromones, and The Sorrow could have been a schizophrenic break, since Naked Snake is the only person who ever saw him. I am at a loss to explain Volgin's lightning bolts, though. KUWABARA, KUWABARA.
That WAS strange how Volgin just randomly blurted out, "I CARRY 10,000 VOLTS IN MY BODY," yet nobody even blinks an eye or bothers to ask.
At least the Pain makes sense: nobody asked because it's probably rude to ask a man covered in bees, WHY he's covered in bees.
AND a guy who can dislocate every limb in his body yet continue to exert complete muscle action
edit: oops, you mentioned him
Actually, that's another thing about The Cobras. They fought in WWII, right? And they were at Normandy?
I simply can't imagine the reaction of either side's forces when they saw a spider-vampire, a spirit medium, a flamethrower dude (he obviously didn't have his space suit yet), a 100 year old plant-man with bugged out eyes and a parrot, a pregnant woman, and a man covered in bees on the front lines. How do you react to that?
I want his jacket. That overcoat was badass.
Actually, that's another thing about The Cobras. They fought in WWII, right? And they were at Normandy?
I simply can't imagine the reaction of either side's forces when they saw a spider-vampire, a spirit medium, a flamethrower dude (he obviously didn't have his space suit yet), a 100 year old plant-man with bugged out eyes and a parrot, a pregnant woman, and a man covered in bees on the front lines. How do you react to that?
Part of the charm of MGS3 for me was that it appeared to be telling a relatively straightforward Cold War story, even including historical facts and voiceovers from THE PRESIDENT and KHRUSHCHEV but there just happened to be 200 year old snipers and bee men there, too. I mean, a BEE MAN, what the hell, it's not something even approaching what could be considered a feasible superpower!
I want his jacket. That overcoat was badass.
I would wear it in the summer if I had one.
and your avatar over here is better than the one over there.
As for the unit "the cobras", never head of them.That was the name of the boss unit from MGS3. A lot of the game was inserting stuff into history for the sake of the story.
That was the name of the boss unit from MGS3. A lot of the game was inserting stuff into history for the sake of the story.
That was the name of the boss unit from MGS3. A lot of the game was inserting stuff into history for the sake of the story.
All that stuff was real. Just because media covered it differently makes you believe it didn't happen. And 6 black guys raised the flag in Iwo Jima. History is wrong, dammit!
I liked Fortune. Both her and Olga I wish they kept around. I think they both could have been put to good use in further games. Olga was fuck hot, too.
If I could go into fanfic territory, my dream MGS2 sequel would involve Snake and Raiden tracking down the Patriots by using Olga as a connection, since she must have some connection what with their kid and all. You could have had Snake/Raiden/Olga vs The Patriots vs Ocelot. And I would find a way to bring Zero back. Just for the codec conversations.
It's similar to the reason I love Fat Guy on Rollerblades that Loves Bombs in MGS2. The concept is too ridiculous to not love.Ah yes, Fatman. Drinking his wine and talking about his delicate little hands. And his obnoxious Brooklyn accent.
Olga was fuck hot, too.
Does anyone else think Elliott's got to be like the most hated man in the room at gaming conventions and trade shows? He's publicly (and justifiably) called out a number of figures in the industry (Jeff Gerstmann just last week) for being shitty and manbabbyish. I happen to like Shawn a lot and agree with a lot of what he says, but at the same time I understand that he often seems to miss the forest for the trees in a Chickish fashion. Pulling quotes from message boards to make fun of on your blog is just going for low-hanging fruit.
When Naomi says that Olga was beautiful I lol'd.
edit: Oh and wtf at calling out Ryan Payton. Like he needs to schill to a hardcore audience of 55,000. I should disclose here that Ryan Payton is awesome and once sent me a poster!
Does anyone else think Elliott's got to be like the most hated man in the room at gaming conventions and trade shows? He's publicly (and justifiably) called out a number of figures in the industry (Jeff Gerstmann just last week) for being shitty and manbabbyish. I happen to like Shawn a lot and agree with a lot of what he says, but at the same time I understand that he often seems to miss the forest for the trees in a Chickish fashion. Pulling quotes from message boards to make fun of on your blog is just going for low-hanging fruit.
What did he say about Gerstmann? I heard GFW last week, but I must have missed it since I was playing MGO at the same time. Was it about how he was crazy for thinking CoD4 was goty?
And yeah, most people don't like being told that they are ruining all legibility when it comes to this specific field of journalism (Game journalism, lol...yeah yeah). I mean, their jobs are simple right now, praise a game, slap on a number, get swag. It would suck if they needed to put in more effort.
When Naomi says that Olga was beautiful I lol'd.
edit: Oh and wtf at calling out Ryan Payton. Like he needs to schill to a hardcore audience of 55,000. I should disclose here that Ryan Payton is awesome and once sent me a poster!
What was it?
When Naomi says that Olga was beautiful I lol'd.
edit: Oh and wtf at calling out Ryan Payton. Like he needs to schill to a hardcore audience of 55,000. I should disclose here that Ryan Payton is awesome and once sent me a poster!
I liked Olga :( She's one of my favorite characters in the series. And I do think she's hot, stubble and all. I think they should have kept her around. Since she was playing more than one side in the game, she would have been a useful character for tying story threads together in a sequel, and characters with complicated allegiances are basically always more interesting than cut and dry good or bad guys.
It was just an attack on his philosophy of reviewing-- pretty scathing too, IMO. Basically, Gerstmann believes it's his job to "save people money," which is something that Shawn finds pretty problematic. I totally agree with him, btw, Gerstmann is shit. It's unfortunate Gerstmanngate glorified the dude and made him into some paragon of honesty and purity....because he sucks.
A portable ops poster. I posted that I really liked it and he PMed me for my address and in a few days there was a poster waiting for me. It's hanging on my wall now.
A portable ops poster. I posted that I really liked it and he PMed me for my address and in a few days there was a poster waiting for me. It's hanging on my wall now.
Oh, he posts on GAF, like the rest of 1up?
I would hit it. I bet she could beat my ass.
But Meryl has low standards. I bet she is unclean. She let Johnny fuck her even after he shit his goddamned pants.Even after Johnny guarded her prison cell and called her built, after she beat up Johnny, stole his clothes, and he called her a bitch.
sorry drohne don't read this page :'( kojima romcom spoilerz abound
edit: HOW DARE THEY DECHINAFY MEI LING!!!! First of all, her facial structure is much more WHITE WOMAN, and her HORRIFICALLY BAD accent is GONE. UNACCEPTABLE!!!
She was born and raised in America. That's why they removed her accent after MGS2. Because she had no reason to have an accent at all.
i hate the faggoty gaf term "kojipro" for kojima productions
sorry drohne don't read this page :'( kojima romcom spoilerz abound
edit: HOW DARE THEY DECHINAFY MEI LING!!!! First of all, her facial structure is much more WHITE WOMAN, and her HORRIFICALLY BAD accent is GONE. UNACCEPTABLE!!!
sorry drohne don't read this page :'( kojima romcom spoilerz abound
edit: HOW DARE THEY DECHINAFY MEI LING!!!! First of all, her facial structure is much more WHITE WOMAN, and her HORRIFICALLY BAD accent is GONE. UNACCEPTABLE!!!
I also disliked the change in Naomi's accent. I think that first happened in Twin Snakes though, so I can't blame 4 for that.
i hate the faggoty gaf term "kojipro" for kojima productions
i hate the faggoty gaf term "kojipro" for kojima productions
I used that term twice, but that was because of the podcast.
And Mei Ling losing the accent for GREAT ass is worth it. Naomi looking hers for breasts was also worth it.
Why wasn't Natasha in MGS4? she was cool.
Crushed, stop trying to use logic for everything. Clearly Solidus was clean shaved when he president.Yeah, I guess I shouldn't overestimate the average American's intelligence in the MGS universe. We're talking about the same game where a bunch of businessman just show up out of nowhere walking around the crashed Arsenal Gear, ignoring the sword wielding girlyman in a ridged leotard and the mulleted man who looks like a terrorist. Oh, and Cardboard Cutout Vamp. They just walk on past him without a second thought.
Yeah, I guess I shouldn't overestimate the average American's intelligence in the MGS universe. We're talking about the same game where a bunch of businessman just show up out of nowhere walking around the crashed Arsenal Gear, ignoring the sword wielding girlyman in a ridged leotard and the mulleted man who looks like a terrorist. Oh, and Cardboard Cutout Vamp. They just walk on past him without a second thought.
Yeah, I can't understand why they changed Naomi's accent. Then again, Hale just sounded REALLY bored in TTS, like she just wanted to read the lines again and get her check.
Maybe it changed because of NANO-BOTS. In fact, "nano-bots" can answer just about any Metal Gear-related question!
(http://PS: those screens of olga's death reminded me: why does nobody in mgs2 seemingly recognize the fucking former president)
Nano-bots.
(http://also, why did nobody notice that the president at the time (when he [i]was[/i] president) looked exactly like big boss)
Nano...
...bots.
Damn this thread is still going on? MGS4 isn't that important.
Yet the Secret Service ex-husband of that book's author cannot recognize the man he protected with his life four years beforehand.Yeah, I guess I shouldn't overestimate the average American's intelligence in the MGS universe. We're talking about the same game where a bunch of businessman just show up out of nowhere walking around the crashed Arsenal Gear, ignoring the sword wielding girlyman in a ridged leotard and the mulleted man who looks like a terrorist. Oh, and Cardboard Cutout Vamp. They just walk on past him without a second thought.
They aren't that stupid. The book about Shadow Moses was a best seller! So clearly they all like good literature.
I liked Olga :( She's one of my favorite characters in the series. And I do think she's hot, stubble and all. I think they should have kept her around. Since she was playing more than one side in the game, she would have been a useful character for tying story threads together in a sequel, and characters with complicated allegiances are basically always more interesting than cut and dry good or bad guys.
QuoteBullshit. MGS4 isn't on the 360....
... yet.
i assume they want to keep the X360 60fps original demo engine that's running on a real gpu quiet for at least 6 months.
It should already be on the 360. It's going to sell under expectation on the PS3 and by then nobody will give a shit.
Here, sir.spoiler (click to show/hide)did you notice the scarabs were following in their suit the whole time? i saw it once and thought I was seeing things. i think it's the first time in a game someone has managed to fuck with me.[close]
wait, you mean during the actual level? i didn't notice, and that's AWESOME if sospoiler (click to show/hide)(http://i29.tinypic.com/210d6jp.jpg)[close]
I cant wait for MGS4 numbers to hit. Just to see some fanboys melt down when they see how low they are.
well this thread is kind of impressive.
my favorite MGS is MGS:Twin Snakes and I didn't even beat that.
My sole reason for playing that game was for the cut scenes from the director of Versus.
In all honesty, I highly doubt they could get this game running at 60 fps on XBOX360. The game could certainly be done on 360 if you ask me, but I do think it might suffer in a way similar to PS3 ports of XBOX360 games. I know the original engine demo was done on a PC, but that doesn't immediately mean it would easily translate to the 360 either.QuoteBullshit. MGS4 isn't on the 360....
... yet.
i assume they want to keep the X360 60fps original demo engine that's running on a real gpu quiet for at least 6 months.
burnout was designed for the ps3, ported just fine on the 360 (patches helped later with the framerate.)I was going to mention Burnout, but again, Criterion has always been on the forefront of multiplatform development. The PS3 may have been the lead platform, but the game was designed from the beginning to be multiplatform just like all of their previous games. They are experienced and efficient when it comes to designing portable engines. I think everyone expected the game to be virtually flawless on both machines based on their track record.
like i said, it could be done easily with 4xaa too, they just need to trim the fat (remove those silly ads for example.)
edit: no way this will run on 60fps on the 360, even if it does don't think kojima and co will bother.
well this thread is kind of impressive.
my favorite MGS is MGS:Twin Snakes and I didn't even beat that.
My sole reason for playing that game was for the cut scenes from the director of Versus.
And the director of The Midnight Meat Train!
Kojima Productions certainly doesn't have such a reputation. The same can be said of most developers who started work on the 360 and ported to the PS3. Again, I have no clue how a 360 port of MGS4 would turn out, but it would be interesting to see the results.
I liked Fortune. Both her and Olga I wish they kept around. I think they both could have been put to good use in further games. Olga was fuck hot, too.
If I could go into fanfic territory, my dream MGS2 sequel would involve Snake and Raiden tracking down the Patriots by using Olga as a connection, since she must have some connection what with their kid and all. You could have had Snake/Raiden/Olga vs The Patriots vs Ocelot. And I would find a way to bring Zero back. Just for the codec conversations.
Olga was cool. Armpit hair :heartbeat
and I still think that there will be a game set between MGS2 and 4, although it won't play out how you want it to be.
during snake's hilariously cliched monologue in the very beginning, i honestly expected him to murmur "history...is an endless waltz..." in that hokey gravelly voice of hisI half-expected to see Ron Perlman pop out and deliver "War. War never changes." :-*
Is MGS4 60fps?
QuoteThey are experienced and efficient when it comes to designing portable engines.
hahaaaaaaaa- i've got to be careful what i say here, but don't expect Criterion to -ever- go with PS3 lead -ever- again. Actually... i'm not sure we'll be seeing much of Criterion at all.QuoteIn all honesty, I highly doubt they could get this game running at 60 fps on XBOX360. The game could certainly be done on 360 if you ask me, but I do think it might suffer in a way similar to PS3 ports of XBOX360 games. I know the original engine demo was done on a PC, but that doesn't immediately mean it would easily translate to the 360 either.
i think you need to be able to tell when i'm taking the piss or not. ;)QuoteThe 360 and PS3 are pretty close in terms of raw power, I'd estimate. The PS2, however, was significantly weaker than XBOX in most areas (though PS2 certainly has its advantages). MGS2 was a game designed very specifically for PS2 and suffered greatly when ported to the XBOX.
it'll all come down to how the game was built in the first place, and i'd expect that Kojima wasn't pig headed enough to know that there was a good chance of this game going to other platforms. With MGS2 i think it was a complete after thought. Take Burnout again, the port team for X360 was tiny - if it's designed with both machines in mind, it'll be a doddle and i have yet to see anything in MGS4 that makes me think this is something the X360 couldn't handle.QuoteI would love to see a 360 version just to see how well someone could port a game designed for PS3 to the 360.
I'll reiterate it again, i think the only thing designed -specifically- for the PS3 is the sound. I think they -knew- from the get go that "plan B" was a PC/X360 version and i expect the game was written with that in mind.
Is MGS4 60fps?
QuoteWhat game on the 360 looks about on par with Mgs4?
i've actually yet to see that much beyond MGO to be honest, but from what little i've seen of MGS4 i don't think much of what makes it looks good is down to the technical aspects, more the art and direction. I thought R6V1 looked way better for instance - maybe it looks way better later on, but again - is that going to be down to tech or art? i'm perpared to lay cash on the later.
etc
hahaaaaaaaa- i've got to be careful what i say here, but don't expect Criterion to -ever- go with PS3 lead -ever- again. Actually... i'm not sure we'll be seeing much of Criterion at all.
Re: Japanese userbase sales, it really is "thirsty man" syndrome - there's been -nothing- for an age. There literally is nothing else of note. I expect a huge drop off in sales - and as a few people have mentioned, the return rate on the game looks shockingly high. I'm more interested in seeing how Europe and the US pick it up. It should do well.
DCharlie has become surprisingly one note lately.
You don't just say something like that and leave it at that. Explain yourself or shut the fuck up.
large chunks of the Criterion team has been disolved/fired/reallocated. Not sure how much it's out there, but apparenly it's been a bit of a blood bath.Seriously? Was Paradise not a success? EA behind this?