Shawn Elliott calls out Shane, Ryan Payton, IGN, and some neogaf posters on MGS4

[Narag]

The Pain used pheromones, and The Sorrow could have been a schizophrenic break, since Naked Snake is the only person who ever saw him. I am at a loss to explain Volgin's lightning bolts, though.

What about Gene and Null? Why does no one care about PO?  

[BlueTsunami]

Did anyone else cringe at (DON'T READ THIS DRONE) *Its about the ending

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The dude Snakes meets up with dieing (don't want to name him incase someone hovers over the spoiler)? And by dieing I mean almost dieing about 20 different times during that whole freakin scene? He spouts out some explanation for one important story aspect, flails about, gets better, then spouts another story about The Patriots, flails again, THEN TALKS SOME MO'. It was so ridiculous, I actually said to myself "Just die already!"

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Oh god

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That scene so had me rolling my eyes.  After giving succulent fan service for 15 hours, what's the only way to top it?  Bring the Mythical Figure at the heart of the entire series back to life!  But he isn't even brought back for a meaningful story reason.  He just kind of shows up and talks for a bit, then dies again/

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I actually think Kojima must have been tired of hearing all the fans chant about wanting to get everything cleared up or something. Or maybe this is Kojima when hes asked to tie everything together.

On another note, Kojima is definitely at his best when hes not taking the story seriously. He can be heavy handed at times but in the past games theres moments where he allows you as a gamer to step back and not get all serious business about shit. This game was somber throughout the whole thing with some funny gags thrown in.

[TVC15]

Re: nanomachines and powers

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They don't retcon everyone's powers into being nanomachines/whatever.  They really only do that with Vamp.  The don't mention any of the Cobra Unit or Psycho Mantis or anyone.

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[Van Cruncheon]

i like volgin the best, myself. and the pyromaniac cosmonaut who was just a little TOO full of stars. oh, mgs3.

[TVC15]

No way, dude.  The guy that barks at you and shoots bees out of his mouth was the best.  He was based off a simpsons gag!

[y2kev]

I do applaud Kojima's combination of the gun-toting black man and the magical negro archetypes, though.  That's groundbreaking.

Not to mention how he actually made it so that the two intelligent scientific black people in the universe were actually the same person. (Because there can't be more than one, you know).

Did anyone else cringe at (DON'T READ THIS DRONE) *Its about the ending

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The dude Snakes meets up with dieing (don't want to name him incase someone hovers over the spoiler)? And by dieing I mean almost dieing about 20 different times during that whole freakin scene? He spouts out some explanation for one important story aspect, flails about, gets better, then spouts another story about The Patriots, flails again, THEN TALKS SOME MO'. It was so ridiculous, I actually said to myself "Just die already!"

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Oh god

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That scene so had me rolling my eyes.  After giving succulent fan service for 15 hours, what's the only way to top it?  Bring the Mythical Figure at the heart of the entire series back to life!  But he isn't even brought back for a meaningful story reason.  He just kind of shows up and talks for a bit, then dies again/

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God, I hated that. It'd be like if Jesus returned for the Second Coming at the end of Revelations, only to die again and say, "Just be cool dawgs, that's all that matters."

The Pain used pheromones, and The Sorrow could have been a schizophrenic break, since Naked Snake is the only person who ever saw him. I am at a loss to explain Volgin's lightning bolts, though. KUWABARA, KUWABARA.

That WAS strange how Volgin just randomly blurted out, "I CARRY 10,000 VOLTS IN MY BODY," yet nobody even blinks an eye or bothers to ask.

At least the Pain makes sense: nobody asked because it's probably rude to ask a man covered in bees, WHY he's covered in bees.

But Jesus does! He freaking does! In Luke, he stalks some poor traveler dudes on the road to some shittown and then once they finally realize it's Jesus, he freaking dies again! BE COOL DUDES

I'm out of retirement.

[Crushed]

Actually, that's another thing about The Cobras. They fought in WWII, right? And they were at Normandy?

I simply can't imagine the reaction of either side's forces when they saw a spider-vampire, a spirit medium, a flamethrower dude (he obviously didn't have his space suit yet), a 100 year old plant-man with bugged out eyes and a parrot, a pregnant woman, and a man covered in bees on the front lines. How do you react to that?

I see Tom Hanks throwing grenades on Omaha Beach, and suddenly he sees a man shooting bees from his mouth while an invisible spider-monkey Count Chocula shoots poison crossbow bolts.

[Van Cruncheon]

AND a guy who can dislocate every limb in his body yet continue to exert complete muscle action

edit: oops, you mentioned him

[cool breeze]

About the ending

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Even though I thought it lasted too long, I am glad they did the post credit ending with Big Boss.  When I saw Big Boss' name credit roll up, I actually leaned out of my chair saying "no fucking way!" and when the cut scene started rolling I was gitty.  The voice and model of Big Boss were extraordinary, as was the music used.  While it did last too long, some scenes of it were great.  Big Boss CQCing Snake only to give him a hug and telling him to "let it go" was really well done.  His last line also was fantastic.

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[Crushed]

AND a guy who can dislocate every limb in his body yet continue to exert complete muscle action

edit: oops, you mentioned him

Decoy Octopus could do that too! That's why they called him Octopus. He could fit into small spaces and change his tolerances for hot and cold.

[TVC15]

Actually, that's another thing about The Cobras. They fought in WWII, right? And they were at Normandy?

I simply can't imagine the reaction of either side's forces when they saw a spider-vampire, a spirit medium, a flamethrower dude (he obviously didn't have his space suit yet), a 100 year old plant-man with bugged out eyes and a parrot, a pregnant woman, and a man covered in bees on the front lines. How do you react to that?

Part of the charm of MGS3 for me was that it appeared to be telling a relatively straightforward Cold War story, even including historical facts and voiceovers from THE PRESIDENT and KHRUSHCHEV but there just happened to be 200 year old snipers and bee men there, too.  I mean, a BEE MAN, what the hell, it's not something even approaching what could be considered a feasible superpower!  

[y2kev]

I want his jacket. That overcoat was badass.

[Jabberwocky]

I didn't realize up until a few seconds ago that MGS4 got a perfect 10 on IGN.

First GTA4, now this?

Whatever I guess, opinions are like assholes after all...

[Van Cruncheon]

tvc: that's what i dug about it, too, and helped me overlook the endless menu selection hijinks

[cool breeze]

I want his jacket. That overcoat was badass.

I would wear it in the summer if I had one.

and your avatar over here is better than the one over there.

[Crushed]

Actually, that's another thing about The Cobras. They fought in WWII, right? And they were at Normandy?

I simply can't imagine the reaction of either side's forces when they saw a spider-vampire, a spirit medium, a flamethrower dude (he obviously didn't have his space suit yet), a 100 year old plant-man with bugged out eyes and a parrot, a pregnant woman, and a man covered in bees on the front lines. How do you react to that?

Part of the charm of MGS3 for me was that it appeared to be telling a relatively straightforward Cold War story, even including historical facts and voiceovers from THE PRESIDENT and KHRUSHCHEV but there just happened to be 200 year old snipers and bee men there, too.  I mean, a BEE MAN, what the hell, it's not something even approaching what could be considered a feasible superpower!  

At least they went the full mile and actually made them EXPLODE when you killed them.

"Yo Snake, I'M COVERED IN BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES"

(one boss fight later)

"OH GOD IT HURTS. BECAUSE I'M COVERED IN BEES. (explodes)"

[TVC15]

It's similar to the reason I love Fat Guy on Rollerblades that Loves Bombs in MGS2.  The concept is too ridiculous to not love.

[y2kev]

I want his jacket. That overcoat was badass.

I would wear it in the summer if I had one.

and your avatar over here is better than the one over there.

I was on an FFXII kick two weeks ago. It's time to change anyway.

But Otacon's too. Superbadass. I have a trench coat, but it makes me look Amish.

[BlueTsunami]

Don't you get Beemans camo which gives you power over bees? Thats MGS in a nutshell

[cool breeze]

The only boss I really did hate was Fortune.  Every time I watch one of those cut scenes with her saying "I still have to life this cursed life.  Why can't anyone kill me!" I am just waiting for Raiden to shout out "bitch! just fucking off yourself already or let me stab you with a knife!"

[Van Cruncheon]

i hated her because you didn't even get to legitimately fight her

[Fragamemnon]

wb y2kev!  

Crushed-I know that there were very few African-American battalion were involved in the Normandy invasion and operations up through the shore landingas to the collapse of the Falaise pocket (Operation Cobra). They were generally segregated from white soldiers and mostly played a key role in logistics-the "Red Ball Express" was run largely by African-Americans.


As for the unit "the cobras", never head of them.

[Narag]

As for the unit "the cobras", never head of them.

That was the name of the boss unit from MGS3. A lot of the game was inserting stuff into history for the sake of the story.

[TVC15]

I liked Fortune.  Both her and Olga I wish they kept around.  I think they both could have been put to good use in further games.  Olga was fuck hot, too.

If I could go into fanfic territory, my dream MGS2 sequel would involve Snake and Raiden tracking down the Patriots by using Olga as a connection, since she must have some connection what with their kid and all.  You could have had Snake/Raiden/Olga vs The Patriots vs Ocelot.  And I would find a way to bring Zero back.  Just for the codec conversations.

[CajoleJuice]

All I've gotten from this discussion is:

I guess I should play MGS3.

[BlueTsunami]

Also, more Kojima wackiness in MGS4 (this is about one of the special weapons)

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Appearently the 1,000,000 Drebin Point weapons has a possability of summoning a Tornado when you shoot it. hahahah what the fuck

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I'm totally buying it when its on Sale

[cool breeze]

That was the name of the boss unit from MGS3. A lot of the game was inserting stuff into history for the sake of the story.

All that stuff was real.  Just because media covered it differently makes you believe it didn't happen.  And 6 black guys raised the flag in Iwo Jima.  History is wrong, dammit!

[Narag]

That was the name of the boss unit from MGS3. A lot of the game was inserting stuff into history for the sake of the story.

All that stuff was real.  Just because media covered it differently makes you believe it didn't happen.  And 6 black guys raised the flag in Iwo Jima.  History is wrong, dammit!

I wish. 

[y2kev]

Does anyone else think Elliott's got to be like the most hated man in the room at gaming conventions and trade shows? He's publicly (and justifiably) called out a number of figures in the industry (Jeff Gerstmann just last week) for being shitty and manbabbyish. I happen to like Shawn a lot and agree with a lot of what he says, but at the same time I understand that he often seems to miss the forest for the trees in a Chickish fashion. Pulling quotes from message boards to make fun of on your blog is just going for low-hanging fruit.

[cool breeze]

I liked Fortune.  Both her and Olga I wish they kept around.  I think they both could have been put to good use in further games.  Olga was fuck hot, too.

If I could go into fanfic territory, my dream MGS2 sequel would involve Snake and Raiden tracking down the Patriots by using Olga as a connection, since she must have some connection what with their kid and all.  You could have had Snake/Raiden/Olga vs The Patriots vs Ocelot.  And I would find a way to bring Zero back.  Just for the codec conversations.

Olga was cool.  Armpit hair

and I still think that there will be a game set between MGS2 and 4, although it won't play out how you want it to be.

[Crushed]

It's similar to the reason I love Fat Guy on Rollerblades that Loves Bombs in MGS2.  The concept is too ridiculous to not love.

Ah yes, Fatman. Drinking his wine and talking about his delicate little hands. And his obnoxious Brooklyn accent.

Olga was fuck hot, too.

Until she lifted her arms.



But then you got to hump her body.

[y2kev]

When Naomi says that Olga was beautiful I lol'd.

edit: Oh and wtf at calling out Ryan Payton. Like he needs to schill to a hardcore audience of 55,000. I should disclose here that Ryan Payton is awesome and once sent me a poster!

[TVC15]

I liked Olga   She's one of my favorite characters in the series.  And I do think she's hot, stubble and all.  I think they should have kept her around.  Since she was playing more than one side in the game, she would have been a useful character for tying story threads together in a sequel, and characters with complicated allegiances are basically always more interesting than cut and dry good or bad guys.

[cool breeze]

Does anyone else think Elliott's got to be like the most hated man in the room at gaming conventions and trade shows? He's publicly (and justifiably) called out a number of figures in the industry (Jeff Gerstmann just last week) for being shitty and manbabbyish. I happen to like Shawn a lot and agree with a lot of what he says, but at the same time I understand that he often seems to miss the forest for the trees in a Chickish fashion. Pulling quotes from message boards to make fun of on your blog is just going for low-hanging fruit.

What did he say about Gerstmann? I heard GFW last week, but I must have missed it since I was playing MGO at the same time.  Was it about how he was crazy for thinking CoD4 was goty?

And yeah, most people don't like being told that they are ruining all legibility when it comes to this specific field of journalism (Game journalism, lol...yeah yeah).  I mean, their jobs are simple right now, praise a game, slap on a number, get swag.  It would suck if they needed to put in more effort.

[CajoleJuice]

When Naomi says that Olga was beautiful I lol'd.

edit: Oh and wtf at calling out Ryan Payton. Like he needs to schill to a hardcore audience of 55,000. I should disclose here that Ryan Payton is awesome and once sent me a poster!

What was it?

[y2kev]

Does anyone else think Elliott's got to be like the most hated man in the room at gaming conventions and trade shows? He's publicly (and justifiably) called out a number of figures in the industry (Jeff Gerstmann just last week) for being shitty and manbabbyish. I happen to like Shawn a lot and agree with a lot of what he says, but at the same time I understand that he often seems to miss the forest for the trees in a Chickish fashion. Pulling quotes from message boards to make fun of on your blog is just going for low-hanging fruit.

What did he say about Gerstmann? I heard GFW last week, but I must have missed it since I was playing MGO at the same time.  Was it about how he was crazy for thinking CoD4 was goty?

And yeah, most people don't like being told that they are ruining all legibility when it comes to this specific field of journalism (Game journalism, lol...yeah yeah).  I mean, their jobs are simple right now, praise a game, slap on a number, get swag.  It would suck if they needed to put in more effort.

It was just an attack on his philosophy of reviewing-- pretty scathing too, IMO. Basically, Gerstmann believes it's his job to "save people money," which is something that Shawn finds pretty problematic. I totally agree with him, btw, Gerstmann is shit. It's unfortunate Gerstmanngate glorified the dude and made him into some paragon of honesty and purity....because he sucks.

When Naomi says that Olga was beautiful I lol'd.

edit: Oh and wtf at calling out Ryan Payton. Like he needs to schill to a hardcore audience of 55,000. I should disclose here that Ryan Payton is awesome and once sent me a poster!

What was it?

A portable ops poster. I posted that I really liked it and he PMed me for my address and in a few days there was a poster waiting for me. It's hanging on my wall now.

[cool breeze]

When Naomi says that Olga was beautiful I lol'd.

edit: Oh and wtf at calling out Ryan Payton. Like he needs to schill to a hardcore audience of 55,000. I should disclose here that Ryan Payton is awesome and once sent me a poster!

I saw a documentary on Ryan Payton.  His dad has a rockin' mustache.

I liked Olga   She's one of my favorite characters in the series.  And I do think she's hot, stubble and all.  I think they should have kept her around.  Since she was playing more than one side in the game, she would have been a useful character for tying story threads together in a sequel, and characters with complicated allegiances are basically always more interesting than cut and dry good or bad guys.

I will say that she gets hot once her hair grew out.

And it is awkward enough talking about polygons being hot, I'm just saying that if there was a real woman based after her, then hot damn.  Women in MGS4 do look really good also.  Team Ninja can learn a thing or two...oh wait, not anymore.

It was just an attack on his philosophy of reviewing-- pretty scathing too, IMO. Basically, Gerstmann believes it's his job to "save people money," which is something that Shawn finds pretty problematic. I totally agree with him, btw, Gerstmann is shit. It's unfortunate Gerstmanngate glorified the dude and made him into some paragon of honesty and purity....because he sucks.

I may have to re-listen to it.  I thought the whole deal with Gerstmann getting put on this podium after his ass got sacked was bullshit.  He is the Rodney King of video games.

[TVC15]

I would hit it.  I bet she could beat my ass.

[CajoleJuice]

A portable ops poster. I posted that I really liked it and he PMed me for my address and in a few days there was a poster waiting for me. It's hanging on my wall now.

Oh, he posts on GAF, like the rest of 1up?

[y2kev]

A portable ops poster. I posted that I really liked it and he PMed me for my address and in a few days there was a poster waiting for me. It's hanging on my wall now.

Oh, he posts on GAF, like the rest of 1up?

Ryan Payton is novery on gaf....he works for Kojima Productions, not 1up.

[CajoleJuice]

Oh. I don't follow all this crap.

Maybe that was in this thread or something, but bah.

[cool breeze]

I would hit it.  I bet she could beat my ass.

About that.  Meryl is built in MGS4.  She could kill someone with her shoulder.

[TVC15]

But Meryl has low standards.  I bet she is unclean.  She let Johnny fuck her even after he shit his goddamned pants.

[y2kev]

I don't think Meryl even has a vagina. When you first see her in MGS1, she's giving herself a blowjob.

[cool breeze]

Meryl just has a giant clit is all.

And Johnny looks like a champ.  He cold bed Mei Ling while Meryl is washing his poo stained pants.

[y2kev]

sorry drohne don't read this page  :'( kojima romcom spoilerz abound

edit: HOW DARE THEY DECHINAFY MEI LING!!!! First of all, her facial structure is much more WHITE WOMAN, and her HORRIFICALLY BAD accent is GONE. UNACCEPTABLE!!!

[Crushed]

But Meryl has low standards.  I bet she is unclean.  She let Johnny fuck her even after he shit his goddamned pants.

Even after Johnny guarded her prison cell and called her built, after she beat up Johnny, stole his clothes, and he called her a bitch.

That's gotta be awkward if she ever figures out that he's the same guy.

PS: look at this it's cute and heart-warming

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sorry drohne don't read this page  :'( kojima romcom spoilerz abound

edit: HOW DARE THEY DECHINAFY MEI LING!!!! First of all, her facial structure is much more WHITE WOMAN, and her HORRIFICALLY BAD accent is GONE. UNACCEPTABLE!!!

She was born and raised in America. That's why they removed her accent after MGS2. Because she had no reason to have an accent at all.

[Van Cruncheon]

i hate the faggoty gaf term "kojipro" for kojima productions

[y2kev]

She was born and raised in America. That's why they removed her accent after MGS2. Because she had no reason to have an accent at all.

So now we're going for REALISM? BRING BACK STEREOTYPICAL ACCENT

also bring back jennifer hale's bastila voice. why is THAT gone wtf.

[Crushed]

i hate the faggoty gaf term "kojipro" for kojima productions

I think Ryan himself calls it KojiPro.

[Van Cruncheon]

he is a taco, then

[TVC15]

sorry drohne don't read this page  :'( kojima romcom spoilerz abound

edit: HOW DARE THEY DECHINAFY MEI LING!!!! First of all, her facial structure is much more WHITE WOMAN, and her HORRIFICALLY BAD accent is GONE. UNACCEPTABLE!!!

I also disliked the change in Naomi's accent.  I think that first happened in Twin Snakes though, so I can't blame 4 for that.

[y2kev]

sorry drohne don't read this page  :'( kojima romcom spoilerz abound

edit: HOW DARE THEY DECHINAFY MEI LING!!!! First of all, her facial structure is much more WHITE WOMAN, and her HORRIFICALLY BAD accent is GONE. UNACCEPTABLE!!!

I also disliked the change in Naomi's accent.  I think that first happened in Twin Snakes though, so I can't blame 4 for that.

Both Naomi's and Mei Ling's accent were gone in TS. I can't remember in Natasha's was still in though. Crushed probably remembers.

[cool breeze]

i hate the faggoty gaf term "kojipro" for kojima productions

I used that term twice, but that was because of the podcast.

And Mei Ling losing the accent for GREAT ass is worth it.  Naomi looking hers for breasts was also worth it.

Why wasn't Natasha in MGS4? she was cool.

[Crushed]

Yeah, I can't understand why they changed Naomi's accent. Then again, Hale just sounded REALLY bored in TTS, like she just wanted to read the lines again and get her check.

PS: those screens of olga's death reminded me: why does nobody in mgs2 seemingly recognize the fucking former president
also, why did nobody notice that the president at the time (when he was president) looked exactly like big boss

EDIT: Yes, Nastasha's was gone. Though Nastasha was pretty useless except for her hilarious cardboard box history lesson and "SHOVE A STEENGER OP HEES BOTT."

[y2kev]

i hate the faggoty gaf term "kojipro" for kojima productions

I used that term twice, but that was because of the podcast.

And Mei Ling losing the accent for GREAT ass is worth it.  Naomi looking hers for breasts was also worth it.

Why wasn't Natasha in MGS4? she was cool.

because if they brought Natasha back, kojima would tie her in to the main story in some ridiculous way and even more people would bitch!

though honestly, outside of grey fox, i can't really think of anyone in the original games that really need "updates" besides maybe madnar. not like there is a ton of text developing the informants or anything.

btw jeremy parish sucks too. whining about japanese actress motion capture? I like jeremy but wtf

[BlueTsunami]

Jesus, Crushed is like the human personification of a Wiki for a videogame. I to your MGS knowledge

[y2kev]

Jennifer Hale's voice 
Jennifer hale 

[cool breeze]

Crushed, stop trying to use logic for everything.  Clearly Solidus was clean shaved when he president.

and yeah, Parish about the Japanese motion capture actresses thing was really stupid.  Meryl doesn't do it.  Mei Ling doesn't do it.  The two characters that do actually have reasons.  Sunny is a social misfit and Naomi had a lot of plans in motion.  It makes sense for them to act nervous.

[y2kev]

NO HE HAS SEEN A LOT OF J-DRAMA AND HE KNOWS HOW JAPANESE ACTRESSES ACT

ALSO SUNNY IS NOT distinguished mentally-challenged THE JAPANESE ACTRESS IS USING A LOT OF CULTURALLY SENSITIVE MOTIONS OUT OF CONTEXT AND IT JUST DOESNT WORK

edit: My biggest disappointment with MGS4-- and I admit that there are basically none for me, I loved it to pieces-- is that they completely gloss over Sunny's entire, you know, life. I think this is intentional (MGR), but I can't believe Kojima didn't say ANYTHING about Sunny's arrival on the scene. Total bitch move.