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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Human Snorenado on July 12, 2008, 10:44:21 PM

Title: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 12, 2008, 10:44:21 PM
Just sayin!
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Bocsius on July 12, 2008, 10:46:07 PM
Who has time to pay attention to politics in July? Primary season over => checkout => wake me in November.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 12, 2008, 10:49:13 PM
Who has time to pay attention to politics in July? Primary season over => checkout => wake me in November.

The funny thing is, I HAVE been paying less attention since Obama wrapped up the nom nom nom in the first week of June.  Haven't been watching cable news or even really reading shit on the internets, then one day I perk up my ears again and all I'm hearing is "blah blah blah faith based initiatives blah blah blah telecom immunity is great blah blah blah marriage is between a man and a woman only blah blah blah".  It's unfortunate.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2008, 10:52:45 PM
I think his swerve to the middle has been kind of overrated, except for FISA.  That seems to be one case where he had committed himself to the liberal position then backed off.

The other stuff comes from his statements about SCOTUS decisions and the breathless hyperparsing of his Iraq position.

Oh, and the Jason Furman appointment.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Bocsius on July 12, 2008, 10:53:11 PM
As far as I can recall, Obama has opposed gay marriage from the beginning in favor of civil unions or something, or am I wrong?

Don't get me wrong, I've seen the headlines on the news channels talking about a shift to the center (and Jesse Jackson apparently wanting to fondle Obama's nuts) while hanging out on the elliptical at the gym, but I can't really seem to care. The race begins at the first debate.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 12, 2008, 11:15:37 PM
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb165/mrangryface_bucket/1215836042901.jpg)
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2008, 11:40:16 PM
Nathan Newman says Obama's running a populist campaign (http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/09/obama_moves_to_the_populist/) and people haven't noticed.

His argument is that the netroots are obsessed with boutique issues (http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/10/do_blogs_take_labor_issues_ser/) and give short shrift to economic justice issues which affect a lot more people and should be the core of a progressive platform.

It comes a bit close to lecturing other people on what their priorities should be (huge pet peeve of mine) but I think he avoids it.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: APF on July 12, 2008, 11:40:55 PM
I agree with Mandark. Obama was always this weak a candidate; it's only, now that he has a less powerful opponent people are starting to remember how crappy he is.

Maybe he'll give us a lecture on building people up in our minds only to be struck by reality  :hyper
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: TVC15 on July 12, 2008, 11:50:53 PM
I agree with Mandark. Obama was always this weak a candidate; it's only, now that he has a less powerful opponent people are starting to remember how crappy he is.

Maybe he'll give us a lecture on building people up in our minds only to be struck by reality  :hyper

I agree.  Let's vote for Ann Coulter instead. 
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 12, 2008, 11:54:23 PM
I agree with Mandark. Obama was always this weak a candidate; it's only, now that he has a less powerful opponent people are starting to remember how crappy he is.

Maybe he'll give us a lecture on building people up in our minds only to be struck by reality  :hyper

I agree.  Let's vote for Ann Coulter instead. 

I know why you want to vote for Ann Coulter... (http://ifuckedanncoulterintheasshard.blogspot.com/)

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Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: TVC15 on July 12, 2008, 11:57:10 PM
stfu triumph.  She is a TRUE PATRIOT.  Like Solid Snake.  She even has her own eye rollingly terrible graveyard scene:

(http://www.anncoulter.com/photos/grave_bg.jpg)
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 13, 2008, 12:04:55 AM
True story:  the Congressional Cemetery in DC is also a dog park.  Which means that you can take your pooch to piss on J. Edgar Hoover's grave and it's totally legal. 
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: laesperanzapaz on July 13, 2008, 12:07:26 AM
stfu triumph.  She is a TRUE PATRIOT.  Like Solid Snake.  She even has her own eye rollingly terrible graveyard scene:

(http://www.anncoulter.com/photos/grave_bg.jpg)
if only she fell into the grave upon which she stands
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 13, 2008, 12:12:17 AM
You were always a closeted-Nadar guy anyways. You just got swept up in the mysoginistic, Obama-mania that swept GAF.



Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Mandark on July 13, 2008, 12:15:03 AM
True story:  the Congressional Cemetery in DC is also a dog park.  Which means that you can take your pooch to piss on J. Edgar Hoover's grave and it's totally legal.

I'm pretty sure you have to have a special permit for your dog and that it costs money (as either an official fee or a wink-wink donation system).
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 13, 2008, 12:19:07 AM
I'm keeping it cool with the Obama news lately, but FISA does piss me off.  I just think a lot of the centralist viewpoints he's taken is just to try and sway some of the, well, centralist thinkers in the first place.

I think that's a wrong path to take (he really didn't need those voters anyway), but I can sorta understand why.

At this point, I've heard the man myself in person, I've read his books, and despite his questionable decisions lately, I still like the guy enough to vote for him in November.  He's simply the better candidate and the guy out there now who can probably get the job done.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 13, 2008, 12:23:26 AM
its just a shame people all hot n bothered about GAFs obama love project on evilbore.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: GilloD on July 13, 2008, 09:53:24 AM
I'm with you. The FISA switcheroo had me. Were you ever at a party and there's an ugly girl in the room and for just, like, 15 seconds you think "Well, maybe". That was McCain and I for a day or so.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Powerslave on July 13, 2008, 09:56:47 AM
stfu triumph.  She is a TRUE PATRIOT.  Like Solid Snake.  She even has her own eye rollingly terrible graveyard scene:

(http://www.anncoulter.com/photos/grave_bg.jpg)
if only she fell into the grave upon which she stands

The grave isn't open, they filled it up already a long time ago, so if she would fall she would fall onto grass.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 13, 2008, 10:27:59 AM
True story:  the Congressional Cemetery in DC is also a dog park.  Which means that you can take your pooch to piss on J. Edgar Hoover's grave and it's totally legal.

I'm pretty sure you have to have a special permit for your dog and that it costs money (as either an official fee or a wink-wink donation system).

I dunno, I have friends who go all the time and they don't have a permit or anything.  I'll ask them next time I talk to them.

Gillo:  I'd never go that far.  I am tempted to vote for Ralph again but what I'll probably end up doing is just not doing any more volunteer work for Obama and then hold my nose and vote for him.  He's definitely lost any "special" vibe for a lot of people with this recent shit.  He can probably still end up being a pretty good President, but he's just another politician now for me.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2008, 11:34:41 AM
Obama wants to get elected. I don't think he's made the gratuitous shift the media is portraying (mainly Iraq, which the media is being shockingly manipulative about with respect to Obama's "switch"). If anything he's basically just telling the far left liberals he forgot to bring back candy from his business trip, but next time he'll bring it and everything will be ok.

I've heard that FISA was the death trap he avoided, but honestly do people care about FISA enough to be fooled by republican scare tactics? I don't know
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 13, 2008, 11:48:22 AM
You guys clearly arent changing enough for hope. Er.. I mean hoping enough for change.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 13, 2008, 11:55:17 AM
The onion article about the guy wandering america asking for change was hilarious.

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CHICAGO—According to witnesses, a loud black man approached a crowd of some 4,000 strangers in downtown Chicago Tuesday and made repeated demands for change.

"The time for change is now," said the black guy, yelling at everyone within earshot for 20 straight minutes, practically begging America for change. "The need for change is stronger and more urgent than ever before. And only you—the people standing here today, and indeed all the people of this great nation—only you can deliver this change."

"I've already seen this guy four times today," Chicago-area ad salesman Blake Gordon said. "Every time, it's the same exact spiel. 'I need change.' 'I want change.' Why's he so eager for all this change? What's he going to do with it, anyway?"

After his initial requests for change, the black man rambled nonstop on a variety of unrelated topics, calling for affordable health care, demanding that the government immediately begin withdrawing troops from Iraq, and proposing a $75 billion economic stimulus plan to create new jobs.

"What a wacko," Schaumburg, IL resident Patrick Morledge said. "And, of course, after telling us all about how he had the ability to magically fix everything, he went right back to asking for change. Typical."

"If he's really looking for change, he's got the wrong guy," Morledge added.

Reports indicate that the black man has been riding from city to city across the country, asking for change wherever he goes. Citizens in Austin, TX said they spotted the same guy standing on the street Friday, shouting far-fetched ideas about global warming. Cleveland residents also reported seeing him in a local park, wildly gesticulating and quoting from the Bible. And last week, patrons at the Starlight Diner in Cheyenne, WY claimed that the black man accosted them while they were eating, repeatedly requesting change.

"I saw him walk in and I knew he was headed straight for our table," said mother of three Gladys Davies. "He just stood there smiling at us for a while, and asked how our food tasted. Then he went and did the same thing at the next table over. The nerve of some people."

Those who encountered the black man Tuesday said he engaged in erratic behavior, including pointing at random people in the crowd and desperately saying he needs their help, going up to complete strangers and hugging them, and angrily claiming that he is not looking for just a little bit of change, but rather a great deal of change, and that he wants it "right now."

"I'll be honest, when that black guy said he would 'stop at nothing' to get change, it kind of scared me," local mechanic Phil Nighbert said. "Just leave me alone."

Though many were taken aback by the black man's brazen demands, some, such as Jackson, MS's Holly Moser, sympathized with him. She gave the black man credit for boldly standing up and asking every last person around him for change.

"I told him I'd give him some if I saw him later, even though I probably won't," Moser said. "Very nice man, though."

Most, however, ignored his requests.

"I'm a hardworking American who pays his taxes, and the last thing I need is some guy on the street demanding change from me," said William Overkamp, a Springfield, IL gun-shop owner.

He added, "What he really needs is a job."


I still like Obama as a candidate, and I think on some level I liked Hillary as a candidate as well, but thats all it can ever be. Ill never 100% fall in line with a candidate or agree with everything they do, or ill end up like those people at GAF stumbling after Obama. I'll vote for Obama because I agree with him most of the time. I dont live under some false idea that he will always do what I want or think because the world isnt about me. Not only will he make good changes that arent about me, but he will no doubt make a few bad changes that arent about me.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2008, 12:08:42 PM
obama is translating persona 5-7 as we speak :bow
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 13, 2008, 12:09:06 PM
100% agree with the above.

Politicians make mistakes.  They do things that are questionable–none of them are perfect.  Obama's shift is noted, but honestly, it's probably not as big a deal as some of you are making it out to be.  It's not like he was hiding this all along.  He's still the candidate I believe in and the person I'll be voting for.  To NOT vote for him mainly because of the summer snooze pre-election coverage is jumping the gun, I think.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Powerslave on July 13, 2008, 12:15:30 PM
100% agree with the above.


heh
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: siamesedreamer on July 13, 2008, 12:27:08 PM
Get back to me when he starts moving right on his economic policies.

Besides FISA, all the other stuff is just noise.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: APF on July 13, 2008, 01:28:21 PM
I'm just happy a lot of people are coming around to where I was months and months ago re: Obama, shallow and meaningless rhetoric, dancing in the wind, etc; I don't know why I get so much crap for being pretty on point, but only much sooner than everyone else.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 13, 2008, 01:29:59 PM
For as much as you 'fight the brainwashed masses' you come off as polarized. I laugh at most of your posts.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 13, 2008, 01:36:48 PM
I'm just happy a lot of people are coming around to where I was months and months ago re: Obama, shallow and meaningless rhetoric, dancing in the wind, etc; I don't know why I get so much crap for being pretty on point, but only much sooner than everyone else.

If you're wanting some sort of asslicking, you may as well look somewhere else.  You're still, well, wrong.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: laesperanzapaz on July 13, 2008, 02:24:59 PM
I'm just happy a lot of people are coming around to where I was months and months ago re: Obama, shallow and meaningless rhetoric, dancing in the wind, etc; I don't know why I get so much crap for being pretty on point, but only much sooner than everyone else.
lol not really

as a side note: I dont have a problem at all with people who choose not to vote for Obama.

What I don't understand [well actually I do understand, but the logic behind the decision is neanderthal] is people who have supported ex-candidates Romney and Brownback.  Unless you watch Fox news religiously, in which case that solves the question
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2008, 03:20:46 PM
i'd rather have Romney running the economy than McCain!
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: laesperanzapaz on July 13, 2008, 03:37:40 PM
i'd rather have Romney running the economy than McCain!
i'd double Guantanamo!

oh yea, small government right there baby
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 13, 2008, 03:39:59 PM
i'd rather have Romney running the economy than McCain!

Romney fails the Hillary test, where the person that wants to be President most should definitely NOT be President.

Besides you know you want Home Skool Huckabee to be the President, stop frontin'.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: TVC15 on July 13, 2008, 03:42:14 PM
I know demi was voting Huckabee

(http://sammit.freedomblogging.com/files/2008/01/huckabee.jpg)
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2008, 03:50:24 PM
Huckabee :bow :bow :bow
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Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, the winner of the 2008 Iowa Caucuses, is the keynote speaker at today's Iowa Republican Party state convention.  A few moments ago I got to chat with Huckabee and he made a point of revealing the title of his next book -- due in bookstores in November -- is titled "I Love Iowa."  The first question I asked was about being presumptive GOP nominee John McCain's running mate, concluding with a direct: "Have you been vetted?"

    "Oh, I think I have through the process. Once you've been a candidate and have gone as far as I did, your vetting was by about 300 members of the national press corps and every publication in the country.  If you're asking me have I had an official contact from the McCain campaign, no I have not.  In all candor, no.  No one has said, 'Hey, I need your tax form.'  I mean I think if a person has been a candidate, they have already been scrutinized.  Most everything they want or need to know is in some public record somewhere.

    "....I don't expect to be asked. I really don't.   It's pretty clearly obvious that what I'm doing -- I'm not sitting around waiting on the phone to ring and right now it would really mess up a lot of things I have going," Huckbee concluded, with a laugh, "so I'm clearly not living with any expectation that (being the GOP's 2008 vice presidential nominee) is going to happen for me."
http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2008/07/huckabee-2012.html

2012: God's Candidate  :o
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 13, 2008, 06:25:24 PM
Welcome to the real Obama.

I knew that most of the change rhetoric was mostly bullshit.  Obama is not a totalitarian dictator.  As a result, he is going to have to compromise a lot of his views.  Bush would have done the same until the WTC collapsed, where then he was given a free pass to make all the radical legislation he wanted.  So unless there is going to be another 9/11, Obama is going to have to compromise and persuade the public and Congress.  Which is kind of the point of the US political system.

I knew that Obama would not roll back a lot of spying legislation.  In the US, we're going to see an increase of militarization and spying.  Spying is cheap now, now that equipment to do this, even with typical generous padding, is low cost enough.  The only difference is if you want Obama, who probably will not be so gung ho about this transition but go through with it anyway, or McCain, who will go through with it. 
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 13, 2008, 06:27:24 PM
I'm just happy a lot of people are coming around to where I was months and months ago re: Obama, shallow and meaningless rhetoric, dancing in the wind, etc; I don't know why I get so much crap for being pretty on point, but only much sooner than everyone else.

lol wat
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 13, 2008, 06:28:16 PM
HE HAS THE INSIDE INFO! NAYSAYERS ARE SAYING NAY OVER HERE!
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 13, 2008, 06:28:44 PM
I knew that Obama would not roll back a lot of spying legislation.  In the US, we're going to see an increase of militarization and spying.
:usacry
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:RonPaulCry




Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: APF on July 13, 2008, 07:21:15 PM
Explain what I was wrong about then


MAF: I think I'm more polarizing than polarized.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: laesperanzapaz on July 13, 2008, 08:51:48 PM
ron paul -as amazing as this sounds - reminds me alot of vladimir lenin

first of all, they have the same head shape.  oval, but an uneven one, very 'martian alien' -esque

second, both are the kind of politically batshit insane people that should never hold office. in a fair, decent, good world

of course, such a world does not exist...
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Fragamemnon on July 13, 2008, 09:06:06 PM
blog netroots leftists really do care too much about boutique stuff. I blame dailykos, where the community-driven content nature of the site promotes not only massive groupthink but also loves to make mountains out of molehills. I still read the site, but only for kos' posts, since he's not the ususal worthless boomer protestor type and really gets that the only thing that matters is winning, and the only thing better than just winning is running up the score.

I said during the primaries that I thought Obama was weak and had the likelyhood of being a serial capitulator. Nothing he's done so far has me thinking otherwise. He can't even whip the Hillary donors into shape, pathetic.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2008, 09:14:33 PM
omg the gubermant is tapping my phones

the worse thing about fisa is that it gives validation to delusional leftists
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 13, 2008, 09:16:44 PM
There is a good chance that Obama may very well be the 2008 version of Dukakis.

Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Fragamemnon on July 13, 2008, 09:20:25 PM
There is a good chance that Obama may very well be the 2008 version of Dukakis.



He might be, but it doesn't really matter, because the Republican brand is just that bad after years of fuckups leading up this current double-whammy of economic and energy crisis.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: APF on July 13, 2008, 09:23:21 PM
Yeah, I just don't see the Republicans pulling a win this time.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 13, 2008, 09:29:06 PM
McCain hasn't even put in an ounce of effort and the numbers are practically neck and neck.  That is hardly optimistic and I am an Obama supporter.

I do not have any doubt that the Democrats will be making large gains in Congress but Obama should be slaughtering McCain.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Fragamemnon on July 13, 2008, 09:33:48 PM
McCain hasn't even put in an ounce of effort and the numbers are practically neck and neck.  That is hardly optimistic and I am an Obama supporter.

I do not have any doubt that the Democrats will be making large gains in Congress but Obama should be slaughtering McCain.

No one cares about politics right now. Heck, even people like we have in this thread don't care. Even so, McCain is still down 3-4 percentage points overall in most aggregate polling, giving Obama a good 90-95% confidence of winning.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 13, 2008, 10:06:05 PM
McCain stays close on a national level but he gets battered pretty well on a state by state basis
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Mandark on July 13, 2008, 11:08:13 PM
No one cares about politics right now. Heck, even people like we have in this thread don't care.

Hey!




(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/572/1173007547fnm1985wecareey0.jpg)
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: laesperanzapaz on July 13, 2008, 11:20:02 PM
McCain hasn't even put in an ounce of effort and the numbers are practically neck and neck.  That is hardly optimistic and I am an Obama supporter.

I do not have any doubt that the Democrats will be making large gains in Congress but Obama should be slaughtering McCain.
really ??
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: APF on July 13, 2008, 11:21:43 PM
http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=CC4A8C2A4988FD5ACE877B0474BD747C?diaryId=6884
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 13, 2008, 11:34:47 PM
*yawn*

Take it somewhere else, man.  Obama is my candidate, and he's gonna get shit done, even if he isn't as "liberal or progressive" as you keep spewing.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 13, 2008, 11:48:24 PM
Sometimes I wish I was an insane Obama supporter just to shut APF up with a flood of posts lol
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 14, 2008, 12:01:35 AM
Word

I think he will soon realize that he has been preaching to the wrong congregation at this site these last few months
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 14, 2008, 12:04:51 AM
I vote for obama because he's the best choice for me out of all the choices, whats some movement to the center going to change?
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: TVC15 on July 14, 2008, 12:13:55 AM
You guys should listen to APF more.  He has opened my eyes to the Hitler-Stalin 08 campaign.  So many great things about it.  That Hitler, he sure is a, uh, snappy dresser, and boy, Stalin, he's got, er, a really unbelievable mustache.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 14, 2008, 12:15:51 AM
You guys should listen to APF more.  He has opened my eyes to the Hitler-Stalin 08 campaign.  So many great things about it.  That Hitler, he sure is a, uh, snappy dresser, and boy, Stalin, he's got, er, a really unbelievable mustache.

Maybe Mussolini could head the Department of Transportation.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: TVC15 on July 14, 2008, 12:17:27 AM
You guys should listen to APF more.  He has opened my eyes to the Hitler-Stalin 08 campaign.  So many great things about it.  That Hitler, he sure is a, uh, snappy dresser, and boy, Stalin, he's got, er, a really unbelievable mustache.

Maybe Mussolini could head the Department of Transportation.

From what the hot political blogs are saying, it sounds like Hirohito is up for Secratary of Christmas Surprises.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 14, 2008, 12:18:35 AM
i'm voting for feminist-communist 08 just to piss apf off
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: TVC15 on July 14, 2008, 12:23:48 AM
i'm voting for feminist-communist 08 just to piss apf off

Hmmm, although all the burnt bras probably aren't good for the environment, this might trigger a return to the glorious torpedo and banana boob breast designs of yesteryear.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 14, 2008, 12:24:29 AM
Ill take torpedos over bananas
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 14, 2008, 12:25:30 AM
solanas-guevara '08!
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 14, 2008, 12:32:06 AM
That pairing is still better than Paul-FoC-08
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: TVC15 on July 14, 2008, 12:59:48 AM
solana-guevara '08!

I'd prefer Valerie Solanas and Lennon.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Eric P on July 14, 2008, 08:05:13 AM
in highschool civics we had to present our own party and platform and try to argue for it in the class to win.

other people chose lame-o's.  We ran Dick Gregory and Pigasus, but then my teacher told us it had to be a real person, so we chose Dick Gregory and Kurt Vonnegut.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 14, 2008, 08:33:05 AM
in highschool civics we had to present our own party and platform and try to argue for it in the class to win.

other people chose lame-o's.  We ran Dick Gregory and Pigasus, but then my teacher told us it had to be a real person, so we chose Dick Gregory and Kurt Vonnegut.

Hunter S. Thompson wrote in Dick Gregory's name in 1968.  True story.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Eric P on July 14, 2008, 08:40:00 AM
that's because dick gregory is awesome his book "No More Lies" introduced me to black thought, and the idea that i may not be learning everything i need to in school.

i read this in middle school.  the book was, for whatever reason, in the middle school's library in central Texas.


 
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: APF on July 14, 2008, 09:20:48 AM
:lol  You guys are incredible douchebags if you can't handle someone posting a single link from a liberal blog.  It's ok, I still love you though.

Drinky: as a former Hillary supporter Feminism doesn't scandalize me; try voting Nation of Islam / Islam instead?
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 14, 2008, 09:28:45 AM
(http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/newyorkercover220.jpg)
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: APF on July 14, 2008, 10:05:28 AM
Yeah I saw that yesterday and thought the New Yorker's sense of irony will implode from the fact that their parody will end up exploiting the meme they wish to quash.  Reminds me of the "Saddam planned 9/11" meme that I still think breathless defenses against both created and perpetuated the erroneous idea more than anything the Bush Administration really said.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 14, 2008, 10:18:33 AM
It's still funny.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 14, 2008, 10:43:56 AM
APF and FoC, the two people evilbore doesnt really wanna talk politics with CAUSE THEY SOUND CRAZY
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2008, 10:47:56 AM
yea it's crazy right
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: APF on July 14, 2008, 11:14:16 AM
MAF, if you can't coherently argue with mainstream ideas that mesh like 90% with your ideas--yet try anyway--it's not me who is crazy.  Why not follow your tactic of leaving the thread when you don't have anything intelligent to counter with?
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 14, 2008, 11:50:36 AM
(http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/BorsM/2008/BorsM20080714_low.jpg)
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Tristam on July 14, 2008, 05:26:24 PM
Yeah I saw that yesterday and thought the New Yorker's sense of irony will implode from the fact that their parody will end up exploiting the meme they wish to quash.  Reminds me of the "Saddam planned 9/11" meme that I still think breathless defenses against both created and perpetuated the erroneous idea more than anything the Bush Administration really said.

The New Yorker's circulation -- particularly among those who believe that Obama is a Muslim and his wife a militant -- is nowhere near great enough to exploit the meme.

Speaking of The New Yorker, it may ease Triumph's mind to know that Obama is merely attempting to win the presidency: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/07/21/080721taco_talk_hertzberg (http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/07/21/080721taco_talk_hertzberg)
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2008, 05:55:20 PM
Hertzberg was actually on Morning Joe today discussing his new article and it was amazing how the hosts attempted to frame the discussion, prefaced on a statement along the lines of "so we know Obama has flip flopped on a multitude of issues these last 3 weeks..." Hertz objected and began to lay out his argument - basically that outside of FISA, talk of Obama flip flops are grossly exaggerated. So of course Joe tried his best to stick to the narrative no matter what, eventually just ignoring Hertz until the segment was over  :lol

I would say that FISA isn't the only "flip flop" we've seen (public finances and maybe the DC gun ban) but overall the dude is right
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 14, 2008, 05:59:46 PM
Almost every Liberal I know flip flopped on their gun opinion after Obama did.



Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Mandark on July 14, 2008, 06:15:41 PM
Reminds me of the "Saddam planned 9/11" meme that I still think breathless defenses against both created and perpetuated the erroneous idea more than anything the Bush Administration really said.

...
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 14, 2008, 07:08:15 PM
APF and FoC, the two people evilbore doesnt really wanna talk politics with CAUSE THEY SOUND CRAZY

FoC is god awful.  Even if he is correct about something, he goes about it the worst possible way.  So he sets it up on purpose to where you can never agree with him, regardless of your views on just about anything.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2008, 07:10:34 PM
APF and FoC, the two people evilbore doesnt really wanna talk politics with CAUSE THEY SOUND CRAZY

FoC is god awful.  Even if he is correct about something, he goes about it the worst possible way.  So he sets it up on purpose to where you can never agree with him, regardless of your views on just about anything.

The sun shines, what you don't believe it? Just because Ron Paul agrees the sun shines you disagree? Or don't you?
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: TVC15 on July 14, 2008, 07:12:14 PM
APF and FoC, the two people evilbore doesnt really wanna talk politics with CAUSE THEY SOUND CRAZY

FoC is god awful.  Even if he is correct about something, he goes about it the worst possible way.  So he sets it up on purpose to where you can never agree with him, regardless of your views on just about anything.

The sun shines, what you don't believe it? Just because Ron Paul agrees the sun shines you disagree? Or don't you?

Proof?
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: APF on July 14, 2008, 07:28:20 PM
Yeah I saw that yesterday and thought the New Yorker's sense of irony will implode from the fact that their parody will end up exploiting the meme they wish to quash.  Reminds me of the "Saddam planned 9/11" meme that I still think breathless defenses against both created and perpetuated the erroneous idea more than anything the Bush Administration really said.

The New Yorker's circulation -- particularly among those who believe that Obama is a Muslim and his wife a militant -- is nowhere near great enough to exploit the meme.

The New Yorker is a prestige publication that helps set the news trends just as much as the paper or record or other major publications (see: Abu Ghraib), and is in magazine racks country-wide (disclaimer though: I used to work at the publisher).  Plus, the resulting shitstorm from the Obama camp, who are fully enmeshed in constant hairtrigger rapid-response paranoia, has ensured my point stands.  Obama flipping out can easily be further exploited just by reminding people of the response to the Jyllands-Posten cartoons; unfair though that comparison might be, you still have to pick your fights and measure your responses wisely.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: APF on July 15, 2008, 01:54:52 PM
(http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20080715/cartoon20080715.gif)
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2008, 02:19:24 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 15, 2008, 02:31:21 PM
Its not that liberals are Irony challenged like the photo suggests, its just that humor par of their brain is dwarfed by their Politically Correct Lobe which overrides all functions of a liberal brain when activated.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: tiesto on July 15, 2008, 04:36:37 PM
Its not that liberals are Irony challenged like the photo suggests, its just that humor par of their brain is dwarfed by their Politically Correct Lobe which overrides all functions of a liberal brain when activated.

Hmm, usually hipsters, known for their irony, are liberal... so you can't say all libs are irony-challenged.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 15, 2008, 04:59:57 PM
I didnt say it the political cartoon that APF posted did.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: TVC15 on July 15, 2008, 06:38:54 PM
I didnt say it the political cartoon that APF posted did.

That cartoon says literalists, not liberals.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 15, 2008, 06:42:42 PM
I didnt say it the political cartoon that APF posted did.

That cartoon says literalists, not liberals.

Literalists 1
Illiterates 0
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 15, 2008, 06:42:53 PM
I didnt say it the political cartoon that APF posted did.

That cartoon says literalists, not liberals.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and bare with me cause this might be a stretch. But I would assume, correct me if I am wrong, that the majority of people that were outraged by the cover are liberals. Shocking, i know.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: TVC15 on July 15, 2008, 06:45:21 PM
I didnt say it the political cartoon that APF posted did.

That cartoon says literalists, not liberals.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and bare with me cause this might be a stretch. But I would assume, correct me if I am wrong, that the majority of people that were outraged by the cover are liberals. Shocking, i know.

I don't think that is necessarily true.  I think the people that would be "outraged" or buy into a literal reading of the cover are those that are unfamiliar with the magazine in general, regardless of political affiliation.  But the point here is that you can't read.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2008, 06:45:53 PM
More evidence against the "Obama Iraq flip flop" narrative
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002916707
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: APF on July 15, 2008, 07:45:40 PM
I thought it said Uterists and the cartoonist was a neologism-spewing misogynist.
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Post by: Eric P on July 15, 2008, 08:50:10 PM
I thought it said Uterists and the cartoonist was a neologism-spewing misogynist.

that's Miss Ogynist to you, young man
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: laesperanzapaz on July 16, 2008, 12:33:15 AM
I didnt say it the political cartoon that APF posted did.

That cartoon says literalists, not liberals.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and bare with me cause this might be a stretch. But I would assume, correct me if I am wrong, that the majority of people that were outraged by the cover are liberals. Shocking, i know.

I don't think that is necessarily true.  I think the people that would be "outraged" or buy into a literal reading of the cover are those that are unfamiliar with the magazine in general, regardless of political affiliation.  But the point here is that you can't read.
oh burn
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 16, 2008, 11:24:58 AM
I didnt say it the political cartoon that APF posted did.

That cartoon says literalists, not liberals.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and bare with me cause this might be a stretch. But I would assume, correct me if I am wrong, that the majority of people that were outraged by the cover are liberals. Shocking, i know.

I don't think that is necessarily true.  I think the people that would be "outraged" or buy into a literal reading of the cover are those that are unfamiliar with the magazine in general, regardless of political affiliation.  But the point here is that you can't read.

You really think that non-liberals are offended by this?  :lol :lol Dude get a grip on reality.

They might be confused by it, but offended. Even you know better than that.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: TVC15 on July 16, 2008, 12:39:07 PM
I didnt say it the political cartoon that APF posted did.

That cartoon says literalists, not liberals.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and bare with me cause this might be a stretch. But I would assume, correct me if I am wrong, that the majority of people that were outraged by the cover are liberals. Shocking, i know.

I don't think that is necessarily true.  I think the people that would be "outraged" or buy into a literal reading of the cover are those that are unfamiliar with the magazine in general, regardless of political affiliation.  But the point here is that you can't read.

You really think that non-liberals are offended by this?  :lol :lol Dude get a grip on reality.

They might be confused by it, but offended. Even you know better than that.

Don't twist my words.  I said "outraged" or "buy into."  And these aren't even the only two possible positions.  For example, I personally get the irony of the picture, but I still think it was somewhat irresponsible of the New Yorker to put it on the cover of their magazine, since their editors must know that the audience that sees their covers is much larger than the audience that actually reads or knows the magazine's tone.  If this were a political cartoon inside the magazine somewhere, the chances of it getting put on the front page of the Drudge Report and thus exposed to an immense audience would have been rather small.

Get a grip on reality?  How about you think of something from all perspectives before you give a short and thoughtless, pithy reply. 
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Eric P on July 16, 2008, 12:57:56 PM
Naomi Klein gets the whole hour on Democracy Now to do her thang.
Klein has long been the premiere journalist (with her book No Logo and
her documentary The Take) of the anti-globalization movement and her
last book, The Shock Doctrine, gave us some great new language for
talking about crisis and the global system. She spend the entire hour
going piece by piece through the energy, food, and housing crises and
putting them all together in a really solid coherent picture along
with a pretty radical critique of Obama.

http://www.democracynow.org/shows/2008/7/15
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 16, 2008, 01:00:24 PM
Naomi Klein gets the whole hour on Democracy Now to do her thang.
Klein has long been the premiere journalist (with her book No Logo and
her documentary The Take) of the anti-globalization movement and her
last book, The Shock Doctrine, gave us some great new language for
talking about crisis and the global system. She spend the entire hour
going piece by piece through the energy, food, and housing crises and
putting them all together in a really solid coherent picture along
with a pretty radical critique of Obama.

http://www.democracynow.org/shows/2008/7/15

Plus, I want to bone her.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Eric P on July 16, 2008, 01:00:58 PM
oh god yes
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: APF on July 16, 2008, 01:05:31 PM
Why is the implication it's irresponsible to publish irony that may be misinterpreted, but not direct attacks that won't be misinterpreted? The New Yorker has done outright political covers many many times in the past, as have many many other publications.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: siamesedreamer on July 16, 2008, 01:51:55 PM
Cuz Obama's like the Messiah and shit...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/opinion/16dowd.html?_r=1&oref=slogin (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/opinion/16dowd.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: TVC15 on July 16, 2008, 02:16:35 PM
Why is the implication it's irresponsible to publish irony that may be misinterpreted, but not direct attacks that won't be misinterpreted? The New Yorker has done outright political covers many many times in the past, as have many many other publications.

Without putting too much thought into this, I think it's a function of time--it was only a few (2-3) months ago when we were reading hilariously awful comments from 'merkins about how Obama's wife is an atheist and Obama is a muslim.  There's no way of knowing how far such misconceptions are actually spread (i'd hope not far at all), but I find it somewhat irksome.

Also, I personally found the cartoon a bit gaudy.  I mentioned being irresponsible and misconceptions, but the more I think about it, the more I think The New Yorker probably wanted this "outrage" for whatever reason.
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Post by: APF on July 16, 2008, 03:15:14 PM
Cuz Obama's like the Messiah and shit...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/opinion/16dowd.html?_r=1&oref=slogin (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/opinion/16dowd.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)

Here's another NYT article on the same subject: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/15/us/politics/15humor.html?th&emc=th


TVC: I think part of the problem is (aside from the question of whether the cover is tacky or whatever), people really feel this is a genuine vulnerability of Obama's for some reason, and get extremely defensive because there's some undefined quasi-racist quality to the accusation / misapprehension.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: APF on July 16, 2008, 03:25:52 PM
Also related, re: humorlessness and the paranoid clamping-down on anything that might be seen to budge media image regardless of intention:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327435
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: TVC15 on July 16, 2008, 04:02:48 PM

TVC: I think part of the problem is (aside from the question of whether the cover is tacky or whatever), people really feel this is a genuine vulnerability of Obama's for some reason, and get extremely defensive because there's some undefined quasi-racist quality to the accusation / misapprehension.

I think it pretty much is an arguable vulnerability.  Much of America does not inspire me with confidence.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 16, 2008, 05:54:07 PM

TVC: I think part of the problem is (aside from the question of whether the cover is tacky or whatever), people really feel this is a genuine vulnerability of Obama's for some reason, and get extremely defensive because there's some undefined quasi-racist quality to the accusation / misapprehension.

I think it pretty much is an arguable vulnerability.  Much of America does not inspire me with confidence.

Exactly.  Double digits in all polls think the dude is a Muslim.  How is this not a valid concern?  Granted those people aren't liable to be New Yorker readers, but they might watch news.  Maybe.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Eric P on July 16, 2008, 06:25:06 PM
Naomi Klein gets the whole hour on Democracy Now to do her thang.
Klein has long been the premiere journalist (with her book No Logo and
her documentary The Take) of the anti-globalization movement and her
last book, The Shock Doctrine, gave us some great new language for
talking about crisis and the global system. She spend the entire hour
going piece by piece through the energy, food, and housing crises and
putting them all together in a really solid coherent picture along
with a pretty radical critique of Obama.

http://www.democracynow.org/shows/2008/7/15

i'm listening to this now and once more i am made alternately apoplectic and just so fucking soul crushingly sad.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: APF on July 16, 2008, 06:50:44 PM

TVC: I think part of the problem is (aside from the question of whether the cover is tacky or whatever), people really feel this is a genuine vulnerability of Obama's for some reason, and get extremely defensive because there's some undefined quasi-racist quality to the accusation / misapprehension.

I think it pretty much is an arguable vulnerability.  Much of America does not inspire me with confidence.

Exactly.  Double digits in all polls think the dude is a Muslim.

And what though?
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Tristam on July 16, 2008, 07:27:46 PM

TVC: I think part of the problem is (aside from the question of whether the cover is tacky or whatever), people really feel this is a genuine vulnerability of Obama's for some reason, and get extremely defensive because there's some undefined quasi-racist quality to the accusation / misapprehension.

I think it pretty much is an arguable vulnerability.  Much of America does not inspire me with confidence.

Exactly.  Double digits in all polls think the dude is a Muslim.

And what though?

Feigning ignorance, APF? If Obama is thought to be Muslim by >10% of the electorate, his electability is undoubtedly going to take a massive hit.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: APF on July 16, 2008, 09:06:07 PM
Are you feigning ignorance, Tristam? First you ask your question as though it is a hypothetical situation that Obama is alleged to be a closeted Muslim; second you act as though it is unknown what Obama's electability is in this election.
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Eric P on July 18, 2008, 03:34:40 PM
Quote
The Obama campaign has tried to cloak the Illinois senator's trip in some measure of secrecy for security reasons. The White House, State Department and Pentagon do not announce senior officials' visits to Iraq in advance.

"I believe that either today or tomorrow -- and I'm not privy to his schedule -- Sen. Obama will be landing in Iraq with some other senators" who make up a congressional delegation, McCain told a campaign fund-raising luncheon.

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN1819664920080718
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2008, 03:37:44 PM
i just hope nothing happens over there. kinda wish he'd just stay here  :-\
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: APF on July 18, 2008, 04:31:04 PM
'Time' Publishes Definitive Obama Puff Piece

The 24-page profile features the most lack-of-depth reporting on Obama ever published, and has helped to redefine the boundaries of journalistic drivel.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/time_publishes_definitive_obama
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Brehvolution on July 18, 2008, 04:38:05 PM

TVC: I think part of the problem is (aside from the question of whether the cover is tacky or whatever), people really feel this is a genuine vulnerability of Obama's for some reason, and get extremely defensive because there's some undefined quasi-racist quality to the accusation / misapprehension.

I think it pretty much is an arguable vulnerability.  Much of America does not inspire me with confidence.


Exactly.  Double digits in all polls think the dude is a Muslim.

And what though?

Feigning ignorance, APF? If Obama is thought to be Muslim by >10% of the electorate, his electability is undoubtedly going to take a massive hit.


I thought America had Free Religion.  Or are we actually religioinists?
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: Eric P on July 18, 2008, 05:05:44 PM
i dunno

the mormons have so much religion they go door to door trying to get rid of it all.

you'd think the invisible hand would take care of them in a free religion market
Title: Re: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me...
Post by: APF on July 18, 2008, 05:21:40 PM
It does in Scientology's case.