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Title: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2008, 12:34:01 PM
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Last week, I reported for the Huffington Post that country singer Toby Keith had performed a pro-lynching anthem on the Colbert Report, and would be playing the same song soon on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno and a slew of nationally televised talk shows. ...

Now, Keith has trained his sights on Barack Obama, attacking him in racially tinged language that startled even the notoriously reactionary radio jock Glenn Beck. During Keith's appearance on the July 30 broadcast of Beck's show, he remarked, "I think the black people would say he [Obama] don't talk, act or carry himself as a black person."

"What does that even mean?" the audibly shocked Beck replied.

"Well, I don't know what that means," Keith drawled, "but I think that that's what they would say. Even though the black society would pull for him I still think that they think in the back of their mind that the only reason he is in [the general election] is because he talks, acts and carries himself as a Caucasian."


...

The comments section of my post was immediately swarmed by right-wing trolls twisting themselves into contortions to defend the indefensible. A typical comment read: "I can't believe that this Max can't find something real to complain about in this crazy world... I think Max is the bigot - he obviously hates country music, country singers and Southerners."
[what's a little racism without a little white victim mentality]
more at link including video
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/342063

How does one "act" white. I hate hearing black people say this, because really if you're suggesting being smart, well read, etc is "acting white" what are you saying about yourself?

Someone should have called Keith on that bullshit. Ask him: what does acting white mean, and what does acting black mean.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: demi on August 05, 2008, 12:50:44 PM
I'd ask you the same thing, you blur the line pretty well
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: duckman2000 on August 05, 2008, 12:51:31 PM
Somehow, this fails to surprise me. That Toby Keith would say this, that is. My wife worked at a very successful "minority" owned firm in Chicago; Black founder, his son took over, and one particularly unwashed hillbilly that heard about this mentioned something about these guys probably being white inside. That's not all he said about it, but it struck me as odd. I'm not from the US, so it's hard to come to terms with the very deep and old racism that is present here. Not saying there isn't racism where I'm from (the nazi vs AFA stuff was pretty big in my teenage years), but that felt more immediate and opportunistic than this. I don't think people here even really know what it's all about at this point; white people just feel uncomfortable with black people (like the people spreading e-mails detailing how Obama would boot all whites from office), and certain black people seem to often use this racism as an excuse for a personal lack of motivation and drive.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: BlueTsunami on August 05, 2008, 12:56:57 PM
White Country Singer expert on how Blacks should present themselves. Toby Keith, what a douche.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 05, 2008, 12:58:43 PM
I didnt know 'stupid' was its own dialect
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Eric P on August 05, 2008, 01:01:39 PM


How does one "act" white. I hate hearing black people say this, because really if you're suggesting being smart, well read, etc is "acting white" what are you saying about yourself?

probably by reading harry potter

but seriously it's an issue which i think is unfortunate, but i'm not really qualified to speak about as i'm not black nor a sociologist
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on August 05, 2008, 01:03:38 PM
HYUCK HYUCK
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: lordmaji on August 05, 2008, 01:03:53 PM
Praise our white lord Jesus.  :usacry
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Eric P on August 05, 2008, 01:04:37 PM
Praise our white lord Jesus.  :usacry

the name Jesus is too ethinic for my liking

i think we should call him Jason

Jason Christ
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: demi on August 05, 2008, 01:05:06 PM
Jason Bourne sounds more apt
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: lordmaji on August 05, 2008, 01:05:43 PM
Praise our white lord Jesus.  :usacry

the name Jesus is too ethinic for my liking

i think we should call him Jason

Jason Christ

you may be onto something.  :o
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Eric P on August 05, 2008, 01:10:09 PM
Praise our white lord Jesus.  :usacry

the name Jesus is too ethinic for my liking

i think we should call him Jason

Jason Christ

you may be onto something.  :o

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=380812262
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: GilloD on August 05, 2008, 01:17:10 PM
Is this really "shocking"? Obama is about as "urban black" as Bryant Gumbel. Is he black? Yes. Did he live a "black" life? Sure. But is he the kind of cliched, hip-hop black? No. And a lot of the black community views that as a betrayl of supposed core values of the black struggle.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Brehvolution on August 05, 2008, 01:18:05 PM
He wouldn't have got this far if he didn't "act white".
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: BlueTsunami on August 05, 2008, 01:23:02 PM
Is this really "shocking"? Obama is about as "urban black" as Bryant Gumbel. Is he black? Yes. Did he live a "black" life? Sure. But is he the kind of cliched, hip-hop black? No. And a lot of the black community views that as a betrayl of supposed core values of the black struggle.

I don't think that's the issue though, its about Toby Keith stating that hes carrying himself as a "Caucasian", which is pretty messed up. Its as if he thinks all the positive aspects when it comes to a Presidential candidate is exclusively a white trait.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: duckman2000 on August 05, 2008, 01:27:54 PM
Is this really "shocking"? Obama is about as "urban black" as Bryant Gumbel. Is he black? Yes. Did he live a "black" life? Sure. But is he the kind of cliched, hip-hop black? No. And a lot of the black community views that as a betrayl of supposed core values of the black struggle.

A struggle which is often used as an excuse for not showing much ambition or interest in necessary conformation in the first place, with blame placed not on oneself, but on an outside oppressor. That's another thing I'll never understand about this nation, this sense of blind entitlement, seemingly irrespective of effort and ambition. Then again, that's not really a matter of race. American admit no fault, accept no responsibility culture, it's some weird shit all around.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 05, 2008, 01:30:06 PM
uppity
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Candyflip on August 05, 2008, 01:33:34 PM
:lol I can't believe he said "caucasian". Nothing to help balance out your distorted perspective like some edumucated polytikal correctness
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: lordmaji on August 05, 2008, 01:35:21 PM
:lol I can't believe he said "caucasian". Nothing to help balance out your distorted perspective like some edumucated polytikal correctness

DAMN YOU AND YOUR BIG WORDS!  :maf
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Ganhyun on August 05, 2008, 01:43:33 PM
Hmm..

I dont know if its like this everywhere, but where I live, I seem to see sets of black people.

Set 1: Those that live in poverty/ghetto conditions, blame white people, and happily sit back and get welfare checks/food stamps/etc... and say its owed to them because white people owned their family/black people in the 1800s.

Set 2: Those that go out and try to better themselves and dont spew such things as the first set. This set is frowned upon by the 1st set and called wannabe whities. Or worse. In positions of power they are neutral.

Set 3: Those that get positions of power and then push on everyone that they and the other black people are owed more and push for more and anyone who questions then is racist. (I'd honestly say that certain leaders of the Black community are in this set. Such as Jesse Jackson now.) This group also dislikes Set 2.


But either way, Toby shouldn't have went at it in the way he did.

I also see sets of white/mexican/asian people too. So these sets aren't unique, those are just the black people sets I know.

Edit: Spelling
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: APF on August 05, 2008, 01:51:17 PM
I'd be more offended if it weren't for the very early articles by distinguished blah blah blahs re: how Obama wasn't black enough, and the routine positing of Obama as the post-racial candidate who needs to distance himself from focusing on race.  Especially given the latter context, one could almost imagine Keith as a top-of-the-line political pundit on the cable news networks.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 05, 2008, 01:59:23 PM
uppity
it pretty much comes down to this for a lot of white folks.

this whole movement to brand Obama as "too presidential" is really confusing to me

Obama is intelligent, confident, and well-spoken! Do we really want this man as our president?? He'd be too good at it.

???

(http://www.overcompensating.com/comics/20080728.png)
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 05, 2008, 02:09:35 PM
[LOTS O TEXT]

I would say that there is some truth to aristocratic America, but its pervasiveness is hard to be determined. I have been unemployed for nearly 18 months and I know for a fact that I have been picked over in job interviews by persons who are less educated than myself. Unfortunately, it is much more about who you know as opposed to what you know, and that is where many minorities face a challenge. 
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: GilloD on August 05, 2008, 02:16:37 PM
Is this really "shocking"? Obama is about as "urban black" as Bryant Gumbel. Is he black? Yes. Did he live a "black" life? Sure. But is he the kind of cliched, hip-hop black? No. And a lot of the black community views that as a betrayl of supposed core values of the black struggle.

A struggle which is often used as an excuse for not showing much ambition or interest in necessary conformation in the first place, with blame placed not on oneself, but on an outside oppressor. That's another thing I'll never understand about this nation, this sense of blind entitlement, seemingly irrespective of effort and ambition. Then again, that's not really a matter of race. American admit no fault, accept no responsibility culture, it's some weird shit all around.


I'm with you, I just didn't wanna say it.

I'm always shocked at how generally awful the folk heroes of the new black movement are- Sean Bell, Rodney King- and the leaders are worse, Al Sharpton and jesse Jackson. I feel like those two are absolutely exploiting the black community for their own gain.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Eric P on August 05, 2008, 02:21:12 PM
[youtube=425,350]E2GCmEqHmeA[/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]z7XO0bn-sZQ[/youtube]

these are both in my head now
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Tauntaun on August 05, 2008, 02:21:22 PM
:punch  Toby Keith, puttin black folk in there place. :punch
















 ::)
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 05, 2008, 02:25:09 PM
I propose a new rule: You are not allowed to accuse someone of talking like a white person while butchering the English language. 
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Brehvolution on August 05, 2008, 02:26:07 PM
To be fair, there hasn't been any disasters in the US lately so there isn't too much to write a song about.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Tauntaun on August 05, 2008, 02:28:57 PM
To be fair, there hasn't been any disasters in the US lately so there isn't too much to write a song about.

Um dude, we have a black man running for president who has a good chance of winning and if he does will enslave the white people!!  WHAT SAY YOU NOW BOY!?!??!
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Brehvolution on August 05, 2008, 02:35:14 PM
To be fair, there hasn't been any disasters in the US lately so there isn't too much to write a song about.

Um dude, we have a black man running for president who has a good chance of winning and if he does will enslave the white people!!  WHAT SAY YOU NOW BOY!?!??!
OHHH... duh. So he is pissed since he'll lose his job. I see.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Tauntaun on August 05, 2008, 02:37:48 PM
To be fair, there hasn't been any disasters in the US lately so there isn't too much to write a song about.

Um dude, we have a black man running for president who has a good chance of winning and if he does will enslave the white people!!  WHAT SAY YOU NOW BOY!?!??!
OHHH... duh. So he is pissed since he'll lose his job. I see.

There should totally be a country song about if Obama wins he'll enslave whitey.  That'd pwn. 
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Eric P on August 05, 2008, 02:41:56 PM
He's just talking about how Obama dials the phone.

a big screen version of the jeffersons?  i LOVE it
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 05, 2008, 04:03:47 PM
www.thingsblackerthanobama.com
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: APF on August 05, 2008, 04:17:32 PM
this whole movement to brand Obama as "too presidential" is really confusing to me

Obama is intelligent, confident, and well-spoken! Do we really want this man as our president?? He'd be too good at it.

???

The Left has a tendency to want to elect their superiors, whereas most of the common man wants to elect someone they feel can identify with them and v/v.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 05, 2008, 04:21:19 PM
Common Man cant run a country :(
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 05, 2008, 04:28:29 PM
this whole movement to brand Obama as "too presidential" is really confusing to me

Obama is intelligent, confident, and well-spoken! Do we really want this man as our president?? He'd be too good at it.

???

The Left has a tendency to want to elect their superiors, whereas most of the common man wants to elect someone they feel can identify with them and v/v.

Damn straight I want to elect my superior! I want the smartest fucking man possible in that seat!
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2008, 04:29:26 PM
Is this really "shocking"? Obama is about as "urban black" as Bryant Gumbel. Is he black? Yes. Did he live a "black" life? Sure. But is he the kind of cliched, hip-hop black? No. And a lot of the black community views that as a betrayl of supposed core values of the black struggle.

So in order to not be an ethnic betrayer he should embrace "hip-hop black" culture? What? Which parts of the black community feels that somehow betrays the struggle?

If anything there are blacks who may feel that while Obama is black, he hasn't experienced the same things they have. Obama grew up in Hawaii and Kansas while tanks drove past my mom's house during the Detroit Riot of 67. In short, Obama isn't a product of the civil rights movement of the 60s and 70s, and he doesn't associate himself with the "leaders" of that era (the Jacksons, Sharptons, etc). So yea, there are differences in terms of background and environment, but that doesn't make him some type of "Oreo." Obama spent a good deal of his adult life working in the inner city, helping all kinds of people. Just because he didn't grow up in the civil rights fight doesn't mean that he has no understanding of it.

Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: siamesedreamer on August 05, 2008, 04:45:20 PM
I suppose this means we won't be seeing anymore Toby Keith Ford commercials.  :'(
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Ganhyun on August 05, 2008, 04:46:19 PM
I suppose this means we won't be seeing anymore Toby Keith Ford commercials.  :'(

good. I'm tired of people getting suckered into buying POS Ford crap. :)
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: GilloD on August 05, 2008, 04:46:51 PM
Is this really "shocking"? Obama is about as "urban black" as Bryant Gumbel. Is he black? Yes. Did he live a "black" life? Sure. But is he the kind of cliched, hip-hop black? No. And a lot of the black community views that as a betrayl of supposed core values of the black struggle.

So in order to not be an ethnic betrayer he should embrace "hip-hop black" culture? What? Which parts of the black community feels that somehow betrays the struggle?

If anything there are blacks who may feel that while Obama is black, he hasn't experienced the same things they have. Obama grew up in Hawaii and Kansas while tanks drove past my mom's house during the Detroit Riot of 67. In short, Obama isn't a product of the civil rights movement of the 60s and 70s, and he doesn't associate himself with the "leaders" of that era (the Jacksons, Sharptons, etc). So yea, there are differences in terms of background and environment, but that doesn't make him some type of "Oreo." Obama spent a good deal of his adult life working in the inner city, helping all kinds of people. Just because he didn't grow up in the civil rights fight doesn't mean that he has no understanding of it.



I'm not saying he's anything. In fact, I directly oppose this kind of racial dichotomy. I don't think it's a matter of being "black" or a matter of being "white", but rather that by playing by the rules of a culture forged by white men, black persons feel as if they've been betrayed. And nothing is going to change that for them because black leaders continue to reinforce this notion that it's "us" and "them" and that "them" is a bad thing. Unfortunately, there's no political, smash-the-man driving force here, ala Black Power. It's just a resistance to a culture that is not "ours".

And I can understand the point that the predominant culture is that of white males with low moral standards, but at the same time, that's the game. You either play or you don't and the fact that it is predominant, I think, strips it of any racial quality. It is the way things are, black, white, whatever. There just seems to be a strong negative reaction to achievement within black communities, as if the act itself is a kind of capitulation to your invisible white masters.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: siamesedreamer on August 05, 2008, 04:48:10 PM
I suppose this means we won't be seeing anymore Toby Keith Ford commercials.  :'(

good. I'm tired of people getting suckered into buying POS Ford crap. :)

DIE
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Ganhyun on August 05, 2008, 04:48:55 PM
I suppose this means we won't be seeing anymore Toby Keith Ford commercials.  :'(

good. I'm tired of people getting suckered into buying POS Ford crap. :)

DIE

no. go buy a GMC product. Or a Dodge product. :)
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: siamesedreamer on August 05, 2008, 04:55:27 PM
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/JDBDkid/Ford_Mustang_Logo_05.jpg)

 :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: APF on August 05, 2008, 04:56:56 PM
this whole movement to brand Obama as "too presidential" is really confusing to me

Obama is intelligent, confident, and well-spoken! Do we really want this man as our president?? He'd be too good at it.

???

The Left has a tendency to want to elect their superiors, whereas most of the common man wants to elect someone they feel can identify with them and v/v.

Damn straight I want to elect my superior! I want the smartest fucking man possible in that seat!

I don't think it particularly matters.  Although I will say IME the best bosses and execs are not always the "smartest" employees by certain measures.  Identifying with your client goes a long way in business and in politics.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Ganhyun on August 05, 2008, 04:58:12 PM
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/JDBDkid/Ford_Mustang_Logo_05.jpg)

 :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat

Ok I will admit that the only Ford vehicle I do like is the Mustang. But everything else to me is horrible.

Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 05, 2008, 05:07:13 PM
this whole movement to brand Obama as "too presidential" is really confusing to me

Obama is intelligent, confident, and well-spoken! Do we really want this man as our president?? He'd be too good at it.

???

The Left has a tendency to want to elect their superiors, whereas most of the common man wants to elect someone they feel can identify with them and v/v.

Damn straight I want to elect my superior! I want the smartest fucking man possible in that seat!

I don't think it particularly matters.  Although I will say IME the best bosses and execs are not always the "smartest" employees by certain measures.  Identifying with your client goes a long way in business and in politics.

Even if this is true, I identify a lot more with the erudite and passionate orator than the rickety, confused old man.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2008, 05:13:16 PM
someone make a poll: who would you vote for - Andrew Jackson or John Kerry
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: APF on August 05, 2008, 05:21:49 PM
this whole movement to brand Obama as "too presidential" is really confusing to me

Obama is intelligent, confident, and well-spoken! Do we really want this man as our president?? He'd be too good at it.

???

The Left has a tendency to want to elect their superiors, whereas most of the common man wants to elect someone they feel can identify with them and v/v.

Damn straight I want to elect my superior! I want the smartest fucking man possible in that seat!

I don't think it particularly matters.  Although I will say IME the best bosses and execs are not always the "smartest" employees by certain measures.  Identifying with your client goes a long way in business and in politics.

Even if this is true, I identify a lot more with the erudite and passionate orator than the rickety, confused old man.

Because you're a brilliant orator? because you're young? or because he tracks closer to your political ideologies?
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Eric P on August 05, 2008, 05:23:13 PM
The Left has a tendency to want to elect their superiors, whereas most of the common man wants to elect someone they feel can identify with them and v/v.

the common man are morons and i have the test scores to prove it
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2008, 05:30:37 PM
I find it hilarious that a war hero from a brahmin military family with a sterling record and 27 years of political experience is considered the unpresidential candidate and the one whom the mythical "common man" identifies with.

He got shot down nine times!
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: APF on August 05, 2008, 05:41:43 PM
The Left has a tendency to want to elect their superiors, whereas most of the common man wants to elect someone they feel can identify with them and v/v.

the common man are morons and i have the test scores to prove it

This only means I too can become President.


Although your post is phrased weird and I can't tell if it's wrong so maybe I'm not qualified...
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Eric P on August 05, 2008, 05:47:18 PM
The Left has a tendency to want to elect their superiors, whereas most of the common man wants to elect someone they feel can identify with them and v/v.

the common man are morons and i have the test scores to prove it

This only means I too can become President.


Although your post is phrased weird and I can't tell if it's wrong so maybe I'm not qualified...


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/ericprva/milessaywhat.jpg)
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 05, 2008, 05:49:39 PM
I must admit that the surreal direction McCain's ads have taken this past week is pretty awesome.

Obama: He's so popular! After eight years of George W. Bush, can we really afford to elect a President people like? John McCain is old and crusty. Nobody likes John McCain. Paid for by John McCain for President.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Eric P on August 05, 2008, 05:52:56 PM
I must admit that the surreal direction McCain's ads have taken this past week is pretty awesome.

Obama: He's so popular! After eight years of George W. Bush, can we really afford to elect a President people like? John McCain is old and crusty. Nobody likes John McCain. Paid for by John McCain for President.

i'm john mccain.  have you seen my slippers?
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: APF on August 05, 2008, 06:08:59 PM
While I also don't understand the McCain "celeb" ads, it's hard to argue they haven't made an impact.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 05, 2008, 06:12:23 PM
While I also don't understand the McCain "celeb" ads, it's hard to argue they haven't made an impact.

I don't know a single person who thinks it's a good or effective campaign (nor have I read any press to that effect- all the press I've seen, mainstream or otherwise, is sharply negative). The only "impact" I see is it further establishing McCain as acutely out of touch. He didn't even pick modern celebrities, ffs.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2008, 06:14:08 PM
While I also don't understand the McCain "celeb" ads, it's hard to argue they haven't made an impact.

They're successful because that impression of Obama existed long before the ads. I can't help but role my eyes at people who simply dismiss this as whites being turned off by an uppity negro. We've been hearing about Obama's arrogance since he won Iowa. And not from conservative hitmen or narrative driven commentators. Obama himself has admitted that at times he thinks too much of himself, his wife has said it, and some have attributed his NH loss as an example of this.

McCain is driving the narrative now. People are no longer talking about Obama's trip overseas, or Obama's past, etc. People are saying "did you hear what McCain said lolz." And now the media is finally giving McCain coverage. All these things have resulted in polls showing a tight race. I don't think national polls tell us much though - imo if you're going to look at polls focus on ones from Michigan, Virginia, Colorado, etc.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 05, 2008, 06:22:13 PM
The sad thing is, McCain's not really placing any ad buys for these CMs. He just makes them and puts them on YouTube and the media goes "lol" and he has three a week. I will admit it's getting him coverage, but none of it (that I've seen) has been positive.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Crushed on August 05, 2008, 06:22:52 PM
New direction of McCain campaign, to appeal to the youth:

Warning, may terrify:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Fragamemnon on August 05, 2008, 06:26:44 PM
While I also don't understand the McCain "celeb" ads, it's hard to argue they haven't made an impact.

The only real impact from that ad seems to be that McCain got on the news and it wasn't all Obama all the time like it was the week before. McCain is still suffering from terrible message incoherency and weak organizational support, and even if he brings the polls closer (for a time) between Obama and himself, he's not actually gaining any new supporters-he's hit a ceiling that he's having a hard time breaking.

The campaign is buying the ad time, it's just not in the decadent liberal enclaves where most of us live so we don't really see them.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Tauntaun on August 05, 2008, 06:27:02 PM
New direction of McCain campaign, to appeal to the youth:

Warning, may terrify:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i35.tinypic.com/29vnyvq.jpg)
[close]

:rofl  Would be awesome.  He could give Obama 1,000 years of pain.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 05, 2008, 06:28:03 PM
what's McCain's power level
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 05, 2008, 06:36:00 PM
I think Toby Keith has nailed the Midwestern sentiments pretty well.

A lot of people are suspicious about Obama.  Which is probably better than the outright hatred that was reserved for Kerry and Gore but not where he should be in an election that should be an easy Democratic victory.

McCain has done some pretty poor advertising because the GOP is in shambles.  Most conservative backers are backing him with a forced grin on their faces.  It is pretty easy for the Democrats to let in-fighting happen as McCain tries to claim the moderate and conservative bunch.  Religious fundies are still bitter about Huckabee not making the cut.  Obama should be breaking up GOP's threadbare solidarity but he isn't and I don't know why.

It is why I can easily expect him to become the Dukakis of 2008.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2008, 06:41:47 PM
I think Toby Keith has nailed the Midwestern sentiments pretty well.

A lot of people are suspicious about Obama.  Which is probably better than the outright hatred that was reserved for Kerry and Gore but not where he should be in an election that should be an easy Democratic victory.

McCain has done some pretty poor advertising because the GOP is in shambles.  Most conservative backers are backing him with a forced grin on their faces.  It is pretty easy for the Democrats to let in-fighting happen as McCain tries to claim the moderate and conservative bunch.  Religious fundies are still bitter about Huckabee not making the cut.  Obama should be breaking up GOP's threadbare solidarity but he isn't and I don't know why.

It is why I can easily expect him to become the Dukakis of 2008.

so..you expect him to be steamrolled in November? If Obama loses I figure it'll be somewhat close, perhaps with him losing states dems are expected to win (say, Michigan) as well as those cornbread states everyong expects him to win (Iowa)
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: tiesto on August 05, 2008, 06:46:47 PM
I find it hilarious that a war hero from a brahmin military family with a sterling record and 27 years of political experience is considered the unpresidential candidate and the one whom the mythical "common man" identifies with.

I think the only presidential candidate I could possibly relate to is Michael Badnarick, at least in terms of career and lifestyle... definitely not politics though.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 05, 2008, 06:53:49 PM

so..you expect him to be steamrolled in November? If Obama loses I figure it'll be somewhat close, perhaps with him losing states dems are expected to win (say, Michigan) as well as those cornbread states everyong expects him to win (Iowa)

Obama's victory is dependent on the GOP's disorganization.

Iowa has pretty strong Obama sentiment but that is the Iowa Democrats, which granted are the majority.  However, a lot of the blue gains in 2006 are not center-left and left but by center-right DINOs like Jim Webb who are closet Republicans.

With the poor McCain campaign clunking along, he still is doing much better than one should in his position.  The only question is if the GOP is willing to come together or not.  If they do, Obama is fucked.  McCain still has that "rogue" image to him, all those times where he was side by side with Jon Stewart (the librul menace) and that speaks to the swing voters that McCain is like Bush but he is far more moderate, which is just enough to get him elected.  However if the religious right is unsure about McCain, more and more votes will find their way to Obama, maybe.

Obama's saving grace to me is the debates where Obama runs circles around McCain.  However, Obama could be ruined by then, failing to capture a majority.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: siamesedreamer on August 05, 2008, 07:29:49 PM
Obama needs to pick a good attack dog as his VP. This weekend David Gergen suggested they may need to re-examine Hillary as the choice. Can't say I disagree.

Picking a Bayh or a Kaine does little in my opinion.
Title: okay my two cents
Post by: laesperanzapaz on August 05, 2008, 07:30:40 PM
@ GilloD:

you seem to suggest that embedded racialization doesn't exist.  Explicit racism is largely gone [but not totally gone: see West Virginia, Tobey Keith, etc etc], but unspoken racism is strong as ever.

You seem to talk like a typical conservative: the reason blacks often head into gangsta, thuggery, become drug dealing pimps who are uneducated and speak funny, are because not only do they CHOSE to be so, but because their parents CHOSE to be so, their forefathers CHOSE to be so, and basically the whole general black community CHOSE to speak unintelligent dialect, become thugs, and become unintelligent and unwilling to lift themselves up like many hardworking, oft prosperous white [or whatever] people have done.

In short, you seem to think and act like Keith and Glenn Beck.

My challenge to you is: have you ever spent a certain amouint of time either living in such community, knowing people very well who lived in such situations, or done proper research into such communities?  Where's the fucking proof that blacks are in their situation because thei're lazy?  How bout you back them up?

Now, i'm not saying it's all th MAN's fault or the white man's fault [here's a stupid comic for you]...

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I simply prefer to be open minded to be th epossibility that it is both lack of individual motivation and iimbedded racialization/legacy of past, both reinforcing the other sometimes.

Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: laesperanzapaz on August 05, 2008, 07:33:10 PM

so..you expect him to be steamrolled in November? If Obama loses I figure it'll be somewhat close, perhaps with him losing states dems are expected to win (say, Michigan) as well as those cornbread states everyong expects him to win (Iowa)

Obama's victory is dependent on the GOP's disorganization.

Iowa has pretty strong Obama sentiment but that is the Iowa Democrats, which granted are the majority.  However, a lot of the blue gains in 2006 are not center-left and left but by center-right DINOs like Jim Webb who are closet Republicans.

With the poor McCain campaign clunking along, he still is doing much better than one should in his position.  The only question is if the GOP is willing to come together or not.  If they do, Obama is fucked.  McCain still has that "rogue" image to him, all those times where he was side by side with Jon Stewart (the librul menace) and that speaks to the swing voters that McCain is like Bush but he is far more moderate, which is just enough to get him elected.  However if the religious right is unsure about McCain, more and more votes will find their way to Obama, maybe.

Obama's saving grace to me is the debates where Obama runs circles around McCain.  However, Obama could be ruined by then, failing to capture a majority.

Obama's outcome is dependent both on his rival party's disunity and his campaign's convincing he's some sort of messiah, game changer.  Your post is more applilcalbe to something liek 2006 elections
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: APF on August 05, 2008, 07:37:22 PM
As I said, I don't think I understand those ads, but at the same time I think they're Jew-jipsuing both the press and Obama's rapid-response force; it shows media gushing over Obama is easily flipped to reinforce the notion that this is someone who does not deserve the stage, and shows the rabid-response is easily manipulated into going overboard and having to backtrack / give ground on the racial Elephant In The Room.  Even staying even in the polls is remarkable given Obama's press blitz during his overseas trip.  If you pin Kerry's loss on the SBVFT's emergence, then you should be very concerned over big events' bumps being curtailed by a sniping ad that cuts into your candidate's perceived strength.

But I dono, I'm kinda rambling with this post it seems.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 05, 2008, 07:53:56 PM
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad536a6d
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2008, 07:59:34 PM
http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080602075302AA7Pw7h
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: etiolate on August 05, 2008, 08:43:14 PM
George Bush keeps it real for rednecks.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 05, 2008, 10:54:14 PM
Obama needs to pick a good attack dog as his VP. This weekend David Gergen suggested they may need to re-examine Hillary as the choice. Can't say I disagree.

Picking a Bayh or a Kaine does little in my opinion.

Bayh is a nobody.  The only reason why Obama would pick him is if he wanted all the spotlight for himself and has a VP to just stand back and shut up, kind of like a Dan Quayle.  I do think that a VP needs to be pretty hard edged, someone who can do the dirty work without compromising Obama's position as a guy "above it all."  Hillary would be a good VP.

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Obama's outcome is dependent both on his rival party's disunity and his campaign's convincing he's some sort of messiah, game changer.  Your post is more applilcalbe to something liek 2006 elections

Not many people are buying the latter.  Most people still think the media is far left and their praises of Obama that can sometimes get out of hand will do damage to the reputation that he is a guy being forced onto the people.  It doesn't matter what the truth is, it is all about the perception.  A lot of people do not really want a messiah; they just want someone to get the US out of the war and to stop the recession from cutting deeper.

The 2006 election idea is still applicable.  People have been so scared from the center-left and leftward because of the past 20-30 years.  Most Democrats who got elected in 2006 are center-right Jim Webb politicians.  If there is a dramatic change in the people's priorities, it won't be in 2008.  Much of the 2006 strategy will be needed here.  I can tell that Obama is trying to be that guy but he is getting painted as a leftist.  If he tries to go too much to the right; he will be attacked as a flip flopper.

McCain is vague and ambiguous for these reasons.  He wants to get the moderates without pissing off the rightists, who are already leery of his candidacy anyway.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: laesperanzapaz on August 05, 2008, 11:10:39 PM
both Mccain and Obama are -  as i predicted - fond of ambiguous self-exaltation.

as a side note, i definitely understand the wish to NOT vote for obama, but man i have to reach when i try to imagine WANTING to support Mccain.

PS: actually hillary would make a shitty VP, assuming we're talking about the image of Obama campaign.  That's like Jim "wymin are vermin" Webb is being VP for John "at least i dont plaster th emakeup, you cunt" McCain, in effort to appear bi partisan

ah LOL the world is fucked  :-\  God if you're reading this, now would be a good time for a stray asteroid to visit us
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 05, 2008, 11:22:34 PM
Hillary would work because she has a powerful machine of politicians and connections behind her that could do a lot of hatchet work behind the scenes.

This is why I said Obama could be the new Dukakis.  He had a 20-30 point lead ahead of George H.W. at times, had a moderate VP (Bentsen of Texas), Iran-Contra scandal, recession, etc. going for him.  Then Willie Horton attack was made and ruined it all quickly.  If Obama can't get a huge lead over McCain with a disorganized Republican Party, once they get together and come up with some effective strategies, Obama will sink.  Americans are not tired of dirty politics, contrary to what they say.  They love it now more than ever.

The best thing Obama needs right now is a political staff that makes sure the GOP remains scattered without it reaching Obama himself, allowing him to still maintain his image but still have the other side in shambles.  Allowing the GOP to recoup is the worst thing he can do and he seems to be allowing that.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: laesperanzapaz on August 06, 2008, 12:41:13 AM
god i just read the willei horton wiki

and i jsut remembered the daily show segment where john oliver interviewed a bunch of the media guys that were responsible for the horton ads

 :-\ sick to my stomach

just send the three horsemen now, God.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2008, 11:18:04 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLlzE0EpEDc&feature=related

"Michael Dukakis stabbed my brother 19 times"

good lord
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Mandark on August 06, 2008, 02:16:56 PM
I was just thinking to myself "When Obama speaks, it's in the white dialect as epitomized by Toby Keith!"
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 06, 2008, 10:31:37 PM
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It is the way things are, black, white, whatever. There just seems to be a strong negative reaction to achievement within black communities, as if the act itself is a kind of capitulation to your invisible white masters.

sounds like all the white hipster/slackers i know, not that there's anything wrong with that
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 06, 2008, 10:42:12 PM
Nothing wrong with being a hipster?

I don't know about that.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: KidGalactus on August 10, 2008, 03:30:35 AM
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Last week, I reported for the Huffington Post that country singer Toby Keith had performed a pro-lynching anthem on the Colbert Report, and would be playing the same song soon on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno and a slew of nationally televised talk shows. ...

WTF?! Does anybody know what he played?

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It is the way things are, black, white, whatever. There just seems to be a strong negative reaction to achievement within black communities, as if the act itself is a kind of capitulation to your invisible white masters.


I gotta disagree with you, Scott. I think that black people revel in black achievement. Very quick to claim somebody who's doing well. Anecdotal evidence: When Obama first announced his candidacy my mom/brothers couldn't give two shits about him. Now, he's 'ours' . He's a very important person. I suppose it could be that they'd watched  a couple of his speeches and were rightfully swayed. Sadly, I know that's extraordinarily unlikely.

Anyhow, there is a thing of lacking drive and maybe fear of success in large tracts of the black community. Shit. Sometimes I get that. BUT, and here's the tricky of it, you can't sit there and say "you guys just assume you can't do shit and it's sad." there is something to that and it is sad, but you white people fucking love to throw salt when we actually start doing anything, so long as it's some pre-approved black activity. You can't pigeonhole people as certain things, then insult them when they ignore your preconceptions with shit like "you're not acting the way you're supposed to". And THEN have the nerve to be like " You guys don't think you can do shit and that's sad."
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: Vyer on August 10, 2008, 04:05:17 AM
 :lol  Keith manages to anger two races at once and embarrass himself in the process.

What a dumbass.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: duckman2000 on August 10, 2008, 10:56:07 AM
You can't pigeonhole people as certain things, then insult them when they ignore your preconceptions with shit like "you're not acting the way you're supposed to". And THEN have the nerve to be like " You guys don't think you can do shit and that's sad."

And who, exactly, is doing all of the above? Sounds to me like you're slapping a Toby Keith label on "you white people" in general.
Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: siamesedreamer on August 10, 2008, 11:28:33 AM
as a side note, i definitely understand the wish to NOT vote for obama, but man i have to reach when i try to imagine WANTING to support Mccain.

That's how I feel except I can definately understand the wish to vote for Obama - he's the somewhat inspiring new guy...might as well give him a shot to see what he can do. Hopefully he doesn't overplay his hand too much.

The only reason why I think anyone should even consider voting for McCain is to prevent one party control.

Title: Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
Post by: huckleberry on August 10, 2008, 11:09:53 PM
The only reason why I think anyone should even consider voting for McCain is to prevent one party control.




I wouldn't worry about that too much....Democrats are too fucking head-up-their ass distinguished mentally-challenged to even realize that they would have control to do anything.