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Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
« Reply #60 on: August 05, 2008, 06:27:02 PM »
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Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
« Reply #61 on: August 05, 2008, 06:28:03 PM »
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« Reply #62 on: August 05, 2008, 06:36:00 PM »
I think Toby Keith has nailed the Midwestern sentiments pretty well.

A lot of people are suspicious about Obama.  Which is probably better than the outright hatred that was reserved for Kerry and Gore but not where he should be in an election that should be an easy Democratic victory.

McCain has done some pretty poor advertising because the GOP is in shambles.  Most conservative backers are backing him with a forced grin on their faces.  It is pretty easy for the Democrats to let in-fighting happen as McCain tries to claim the moderate and conservative bunch.  Religious fundies are still bitter about Huckabee not making the cut.  Obama should be breaking up GOP's threadbare solidarity but he isn't and I don't know why.

It is why I can easily expect him to become the Dukakis of 2008.
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« Reply #63 on: August 05, 2008, 06:41:47 PM »
I think Toby Keith has nailed the Midwestern sentiments pretty well.

A lot of people are suspicious about Obama.  Which is probably better than the outright hatred that was reserved for Kerry and Gore but not where he should be in an election that should be an easy Democratic victory.

McCain has done some pretty poor advertising because the GOP is in shambles.  Most conservative backers are backing him with a forced grin on their faces.  It is pretty easy for the Democrats to let in-fighting happen as McCain tries to claim the moderate and conservative bunch.  Religious fundies are still bitter about Huckabee not making the cut.  Obama should be breaking up GOP's threadbare solidarity but he isn't and I don't know why.

It is why I can easily expect him to become the Dukakis of 2008.

so..you expect him to be steamrolled in November? If Obama loses I figure it'll be somewhat close, perhaps with him losing states dems are expected to win (say, Michigan) as well as those cornbread states everyong expects him to win (Iowa)
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« Reply #64 on: August 05, 2008, 06:46:47 PM »
I find it hilarious that a war hero from a brahmin military family with a sterling record and 27 years of political experience is considered the unpresidential candidate and the one whom the mythical "common man" identifies with.

I think the only presidential candidate I could possibly relate to is Michael Badnarick, at least in terms of career and lifestyle... definitely not politics though.
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« Reply #65 on: August 05, 2008, 06:53:49 PM »

so..you expect him to be steamrolled in November? If Obama loses I figure it'll be somewhat close, perhaps with him losing states dems are expected to win (say, Michigan) as well as those cornbread states everyong expects him to win (Iowa)

Obama's victory is dependent on the GOP's disorganization.

Iowa has pretty strong Obama sentiment but that is the Iowa Democrats, which granted are the majority.  However, a lot of the blue gains in 2006 are not center-left and left but by center-right DINOs like Jim Webb who are closet Republicans.

With the poor McCain campaign clunking along, he still is doing much better than one should in his position.  The only question is if the GOP is willing to come together or not.  If they do, Obama is fucked.  McCain still has that "rogue" image to him, all those times where he was side by side with Jon Stewart (the librul menace) and that speaks to the swing voters that McCain is like Bush but he is far more moderate, which is just enough to get him elected.  However if the religious right is unsure about McCain, more and more votes will find their way to Obama, maybe.

Obama's saving grace to me is the debates where Obama runs circles around McCain.  However, Obama could be ruined by then, failing to capture a majority.
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« Reply #66 on: August 05, 2008, 07:29:49 PM »
Obama needs to pick a good attack dog as his VP. This weekend David Gergen suggested they may need to re-examine Hillary as the choice. Can't say I disagree.

Picking a Bayh or a Kaine does little in my opinion.

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« Reply #67 on: August 05, 2008, 07:30:40 PM »
@ GilloD:

you seem to suggest that embedded racialization doesn't exist.  Explicit racism is largely gone [but not totally gone: see West Virginia, Tobey Keith, etc etc], but unspoken racism is strong as ever.

You seem to talk like a typical conservative: the reason blacks often head into gangsta, thuggery, become drug dealing pimps who are uneducated and speak funny, are because not only do they CHOSE to be so, but because their parents CHOSE to be so, their forefathers CHOSE to be so, and basically the whole general black community CHOSE to speak unintelligent dialect, become thugs, and become unintelligent and unwilling to lift themselves up like many hardworking, oft prosperous white [or whatever] people have done.

In short, you seem to think and act like Keith and Glenn Beck.

My challenge to you is: have you ever spent a certain amouint of time either living in such community, knowing people very well who lived in such situations, or done proper research into such communities?  Where's the fucking proof that blacks are in their situation because thei're lazy?  How bout you back them up?

Now, i'm not saying it's all th MAN's fault or the white man's fault [here's a stupid comic for you]...

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I simply prefer to be open minded to be th epossibility that it is both lack of individual motivation and iimbedded racialization/legacy of past, both reinforcing the other sometimes.

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« Reply #68 on: August 05, 2008, 07:33:10 PM »

so..you expect him to be steamrolled in November? If Obama loses I figure it'll be somewhat close, perhaps with him losing states dems are expected to win (say, Michigan) as well as those cornbread states everyong expects him to win (Iowa)

Obama's victory is dependent on the GOP's disorganization.

Iowa has pretty strong Obama sentiment but that is the Iowa Democrats, which granted are the majority.  However, a lot of the blue gains in 2006 are not center-left and left but by center-right DINOs like Jim Webb who are closet Republicans.

With the poor McCain campaign clunking along, he still is doing much better than one should in his position.  The only question is if the GOP is willing to come together or not.  If they do, Obama is fucked.  McCain still has that "rogue" image to him, all those times where he was side by side with Jon Stewart (the librul menace) and that speaks to the swing voters that McCain is like Bush but he is far more moderate, which is just enough to get him elected.  However if the religious right is unsure about McCain, more and more votes will find their way to Obama, maybe.

Obama's saving grace to me is the debates where Obama runs circles around McCain.  However, Obama could be ruined by then, failing to capture a majority.

Obama's outcome is dependent both on his rival party's disunity and his campaign's convincing he's some sort of messiah, game changer.  Your post is more applilcalbe to something liek 2006 elections
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« Reply #69 on: August 05, 2008, 07:37:22 PM »
As I said, I don't think I understand those ads, but at the same time I think they're Jew-jipsuing both the press and Obama's rapid-response force; it shows media gushing over Obama is easily flipped to reinforce the notion that this is someone who does not deserve the stage, and shows the rabid-response is easily manipulated into going overboard and having to backtrack / give ground on the racial Elephant In The Room.  Even staying even in the polls is remarkable given Obama's press blitz during his overseas trip.  If you pin Kerry's loss on the SBVFT's emergence, then you should be very concerned over big events' bumps being curtailed by a sniping ad that cuts into your candidate's perceived strength.

But I dono, I'm kinda rambling with this post it seems.
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Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
« Reply #72 on: August 05, 2008, 08:43:14 PM »
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Re: Toby Keith explains the Obama phenomenanana
« Reply #73 on: August 05, 2008, 10:54:14 PM »
Obama needs to pick a good attack dog as his VP. This weekend David Gergen suggested they may need to re-examine Hillary as the choice. Can't say I disagree.

Picking a Bayh or a Kaine does little in my opinion.

Bayh is a nobody.  The only reason why Obama would pick him is if he wanted all the spotlight for himself and has a VP to just stand back and shut up, kind of like a Dan Quayle.  I do think that a VP needs to be pretty hard edged, someone who can do the dirty work without compromising Obama's position as a guy "above it all."  Hillary would be a good VP.

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Obama's outcome is dependent both on his rival party's disunity and his campaign's convincing he's some sort of messiah, game changer.  Your post is more applilcalbe to something liek 2006 elections

Not many people are buying the latter.  Most people still think the media is far left and their praises of Obama that can sometimes get out of hand will do damage to the reputation that he is a guy being forced onto the people.  It doesn't matter what the truth is, it is all about the perception.  A lot of people do not really want a messiah; they just want someone to get the US out of the war and to stop the recession from cutting deeper.

The 2006 election idea is still applicable.  People have been so scared from the center-left and leftward because of the past 20-30 years.  Most Democrats who got elected in 2006 are center-right Jim Webb politicians.  If there is a dramatic change in the people's priorities, it won't be in 2008.  Much of the 2006 strategy will be needed here.  I can tell that Obama is trying to be that guy but he is getting painted as a leftist.  If he tries to go too much to the right; he will be attacked as a flip flopper.

McCain is vague and ambiguous for these reasons.  He wants to get the moderates without pissing off the rightists, who are already leery of his candidacy anyway.
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« Reply #74 on: August 05, 2008, 11:10:39 PM »
both Mccain and Obama are -  as i predicted - fond of ambiguous self-exaltation.

as a side note, i definitely understand the wish to NOT vote for obama, but man i have to reach when i try to imagine WANTING to support Mccain.

PS: actually hillary would make a shitty VP, assuming we're talking about the image of Obama campaign.  That's like Jim "wymin are vermin" Webb is being VP for John "at least i dont plaster th emakeup, you cunt" McCain, in effort to appear bi partisan

ah LOL the world is fucked  :-\  God if you're reading this, now would be a good time for a stray asteroid to visit us
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« Reply #75 on: August 05, 2008, 11:22:34 PM »
Hillary would work because she has a powerful machine of politicians and connections behind her that could do a lot of hatchet work behind the scenes.

This is why I said Obama could be the new Dukakis.  He had a 20-30 point lead ahead of George H.W. at times, had a moderate VP (Bentsen of Texas), Iran-Contra scandal, recession, etc. going for him.  Then Willie Horton attack was made and ruined it all quickly.  If Obama can't get a huge lead over McCain with a disorganized Republican Party, once they get together and come up with some effective strategies, Obama will sink.  Americans are not tired of dirty politics, contrary to what they say.  They love it now more than ever.

The best thing Obama needs right now is a political staff that makes sure the GOP remains scattered without it reaching Obama himself, allowing him to still maintain his image but still have the other side in shambles.  Allowing the GOP to recoup is the worst thing he can do and he seems to be allowing that.
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« Reply #76 on: August 06, 2008, 12:41:13 AM »
god i just read the willei horton wiki

and i jsut remembered the daily show segment where john oliver interviewed a bunch of the media guys that were responsible for the horton ads

 :-\ sick to my stomach

just send the three horsemen now, God.
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« Reply #77 on: August 06, 2008, 11:18:04 AM »
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« Reply #78 on: August 06, 2008, 02:16:56 PM »
I was just thinking to myself "When Obama speaks, it's in the white dialect as epitomized by Toby Keith!"

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« Reply #79 on: August 06, 2008, 10:31:37 PM »
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It is the way things are, black, white, whatever. There just seems to be a strong negative reaction to achievement within black communities, as if the act itself is a kind of capitulation to your invisible white masters.

sounds like all the white hipster/slackers i know, not that there's anything wrong with that
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« Reply #80 on: August 06, 2008, 10:42:12 PM »
Nothing wrong with being a hipster?

I don't know about that.

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« Reply #81 on: August 10, 2008, 03:30:35 AM »
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Last week, I reported for the Huffington Post that country singer Toby Keith had performed a pro-lynching anthem on the Colbert Report, and would be playing the same song soon on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno and a slew of nationally televised talk shows. ...

WTF?! Does anybody know what he played?

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It is the way things are, black, white, whatever. There just seems to be a strong negative reaction to achievement within black communities, as if the act itself is a kind of capitulation to your invisible white masters.


I gotta disagree with you, Scott. I think that black people revel in black achievement. Very quick to claim somebody who's doing well. Anecdotal evidence: When Obama first announced his candidacy my mom/brothers couldn't give two shits about him. Now, he's 'ours' . He's a very important person. I suppose it could be that they'd watched  a couple of his speeches and were rightfully swayed. Sadly, I know that's extraordinarily unlikely.

Anyhow, there is a thing of lacking drive and maybe fear of success in large tracts of the black community. Shit. Sometimes I get that. BUT, and here's the tricky of it, you can't sit there and say "you guys just assume you can't do shit and it's sad." there is something to that and it is sad, but you white people fucking love to throw salt when we actually start doing anything, so long as it's some pre-approved black activity. You can't pigeonhole people as certain things, then insult them when they ignore your preconceptions with shit like "you're not acting the way you're supposed to". And THEN have the nerve to be like " You guys don't think you can do shit and that's sad."
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« Reply #82 on: August 10, 2008, 04:05:17 AM »
 :lol  Keith manages to anger two races at once and embarrass himself in the process.

What a dumbass.

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« Reply #83 on: August 10, 2008, 10:56:07 AM »
You can't pigeonhole people as certain things, then insult them when they ignore your preconceptions with shit like "you're not acting the way you're supposed to". And THEN have the nerve to be like " You guys don't think you can do shit and that's sad."

And who, exactly, is doing all of the above? Sounds to me like you're slapping a Toby Keith label on "you white people" in general.

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« Reply #84 on: August 10, 2008, 11:28:33 AM »
as a side note, i definitely understand the wish to NOT vote for obama, but man i have to reach when i try to imagine WANTING to support Mccain.

That's how I feel except I can definately understand the wish to vote for Obama - he's the somewhat inspiring new guy...might as well give him a shot to see what he can do. Hopefully he doesn't overplay his hand too much.

The only reason why I think anyone should even consider voting for McCain is to prevent one party control.


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« Reply #85 on: August 10, 2008, 11:09:53 PM »
The only reason why I think anyone should even consider voting for McCain is to prevent one party control.




I wouldn't worry about that too much....Democrats are too fucking head-up-their ass distinguished mentally-challenged to even realize that they would have control to do anything.
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