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Title: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 09, 2008, 05:17:12 PM
Im a nice guy with a live and let live sense of things.  :-\

I told my cousin in South Dakota that I was going to vote for Obama and all I got was YOU LIKE OBAMA?? then she logged off. Afterwards I found one of Willco's friends and ate a delicious Sundae in front of them.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: demi on October 09, 2008, 05:17:45 PM
Maybe because your family is mental

And stupid

Do they have awesome jobs?
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2008, 05:18:25 PM
I've heard some asians aren't really liking Obama for some reason
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Tieno on October 09, 2008, 05:25:30 PM
that's totally whack
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 09, 2008, 05:26:29 PM
my grandpa almost always calls him "osama"

and my dad hates him
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Reb on October 09, 2008, 05:27:01 PM
I heard he's black.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Costanza on October 09, 2008, 05:28:07 PM
My family believes he's a "radical muslim terrorist who will destroy America from the inside".

I hate these people
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: max_cool on October 09, 2008, 05:29:57 PM
Im a nice guy with a live and let live sense of things.  :-\

I told my cousin in South Dakota that I was going to vote for Obama and all I got was YOU LIKE OBAMA?? then she logged off. Afterwards I found one of Willco's friends and ate a delicious Sundae in front of them.

It's because they live in a state with the word Dakota in it. You can trust me, I grew up there.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 09, 2008, 05:31:08 PM
I spent 2 years in Roseglen North Dakota!
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 09, 2008, 05:34:18 PM
My family believes he's a "radical muslim terrorist who will destroy America from the inside".

I hate these people

My wife's grandpa's new wife thinks the same thing. They also live in the middle of nowhere in South Dakota.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 09, 2008, 05:35:11 PM
I live on Long Island.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: max_cool on October 09, 2008, 05:39:45 PM
I spent 2 years in Roseglen North Dakota!

 :lol :lol :lol OH WOW!.
Even I had to look that one up.
I spent most summer weekends at Lake Tschida, near Glen Ullin (not even google can peg lake tschida on the map)
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: TVC15 on October 09, 2008, 05:40:06 PM
I live on Long Island.

My condolences.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Costanza on October 09, 2008, 05:41:08 PM
My family believes he's a "radical muslim terrorist who will destroy America from the inside".

I hate these people

My wife's grandpa's new wife thinks the same thing. They also live in the middle of nowhere in South Dakota.

I live in Florida!
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 09, 2008, 05:42:02 PM
I live on Long Island.

My condolences.

You've already expressed them to me. :-\

I was attempting to state how my family is that way even though they live in BLUE AREA.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 09, 2008, 05:42:58 PM
My family believes he's a "radical muslim terrorist who will destroy America from the inside".

I hate these people

My wife's grandpa's new wife thinks the same thing. They also live in the middle of nowhere in South Dakota.

I live in Florida!

You're not even old enough to vote
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 09, 2008, 05:44:20 PM
my in-laws think obama is the anti-christ :-\

my dad has decided he is a libertarian and can't support mccain. my mom ultimately votes for whoever pisses my middle brother off the most, so she'll probably secretly vote mccain.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 09, 2008, 05:45:13 PM
my in-laws think obama is the anti-christ :-\

i feel like my dad is a step away from this

if he were some type of evangelist christian instead of catholic, he'd probably agree wholeheartedly
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2008, 05:48:47 PM
My mom was a hard core Hillary supporter and now she's an Obama supporter, although she cried when Hillary exited the race  :lol

My dad is a hardcore Obama supporter/campaigner/fund-raiser/etc.

My grandma (on my mom's side) is a hardcore Obama supporter and my grandma (on my dad's side) supports Obama but keeps forgetting he's not a muslim
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Fresh Prince on October 09, 2008, 05:49:46 PM
Catholics believe in the anti-Christ  ???

The few good things about Catholicism is that it's pretty multicultural.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 09, 2008, 05:50:06 PM
in a stunningly rare display of political consistency, my dad, who was turned off of kerry by the swift boat efforts, was ALSO turned even further off of mccain by that rolling stone article about mccain's military service. ultimately, though, he thinks mccain is a "wall street socialist" and that obama is merely "toothless," so he grudingly admits he'll vote obama. this is actually pleasantly surprising, since my dad drops the n-bomb in conversation at LEAST every fifteen minutes. :o

mccain is so awful that even some dyed-in-the-wool RACISTS will pick a black man over him! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 09, 2008, 05:50:41 PM
Catholics believe in the anti-Christ  ???

I just implied no ???
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2008, 05:53:11 PM
Prole family reunion
[youtube=425,350]itEucdhf4Us[/youtube]

"get a job!"
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 09, 2008, 05:54:21 PM
My father said this:

"Why would we ever want a jungle bunny in office"

I laffed.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 09, 2008, 05:55:47 PM
mccain: furthering the cause of black folks everywhere :bow2
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 09, 2008, 05:56:56 PM
better a jungle bunny than a ghostface
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2008, 05:58:40 PM
better a jungle bunny than a ghostface

smh!

[youtube=425,350]vZyeBEdC_8E[/youtube]
:bow
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Rman on October 09, 2008, 06:18:37 PM
I'm always shocked at the stupidity of some people.  I guess Michael Moore was right regarding the culture of fear in America.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Tauntaun on October 09, 2008, 06:22:50 PM
in a stunningly rare display of political consistency, my dad, who was turned off of kerry by the swift boat efforts, was ALSO turned even further off of mccain by that rolling stone article about mccain's military service. ultimately, though, he thinks mccain is a "wall street socialist" and that obama is merely "toothless," so he grudingly admits he'll vote obama. this is actually pleasantly surprising, since my dad drops the n-bomb in conversation at LEAST every fifteen minutes. :o

mccain is so awful that even some dyed-in-the-wool RACISTS will pick a black man over him! :o :o :o

Sounds like he and I would get along.  :-*
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: treythemovie on October 09, 2008, 06:38:54 PM
My family voted straight Republican their entire lives. My dad likely because of some mistaken financial logic and my Mom because she believed all Democrats were corrupt  :-\

But now my mom is voting for Obama and my Dad is joke voting  :D

Too bad they live in Illinois  :-\ I really should call them in November to make sure they both follow through
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: duckman2000 on October 09, 2008, 06:39:26 PM
mccain is so awful that even some dyed-in-the-wool RACISTS will pick a black man over him! :o :o :o

You have to wonder how McCain as a man of his generation is really dealing with losing out to a relatively young black dude.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 09, 2008, 06:40:14 PM
My thinking on the matter is that as Obama stays ahead in the polls and it gets closer to the election, you will see more and more shit like the "kill him", "treason", and "terrorist" moments happening at McCain-Palin rallies.  The people most likely to go to a Republican rally are increasingly more likely to be dumb and racist, and when they hear McCain or Palin say something negative about Obama (which is the only card they have left to play) it will be seen as tacit approval to start yelling about killing him.  I predict we'll hear a couple of shouts of n***** at rallies as it gets closer to the election.  And I also think that's just going to turn independents and non racists off of McCain even more.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: treythemovie on October 09, 2008, 06:42:06 PM
mccain is so awful that even some dyed-in-the-wool RACISTS will pick a black man over him! :o :o :o

You have to wonder how McCain as a man of his generation is really dealing with losing out to a relatively young black dude.


"THAT ONE"
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: duckman2000 on October 09, 2008, 06:42:09 PM
"European socialist!"
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Brehvolution on October 09, 2008, 06:47:14 PM
mccain is so awful that even some dyed-in-the-wool RACISTS will pick a black man over him! :o :o :o

You have to wonder how McCain as a man of his generation is really dealing with losing out to a relatively young black dude.

Its the fucking CHANGE we need, that is why.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2008, 06:49:03 PM
My thinking on the matter is that as Obama stays ahead in the polls and it gets closer to the election, you will see more and more shit like the "kill him", "treason", and "terrorist" moments happening at McCain-Palin rallies.  The people most likely to go to a Republican rally are increasingly more likely to be dumb and racist, and when they hear McCain or Palin say something negative about Obama (which is the only card they have left to play) it will be seen as tacit approval to start yelling about killing him.  I predict we'll hear a couple of shouts of n***** at rallies as it gets closer to the election.  And I also think that's just going to turn independents and non racists off of McCain even more.

I love the fact that the media is covering this, and putting these comments on air for all to see.

I think we're witnesses a very loud minority of people slowly realize they don't control the outcome of US elections anymore, and it's scaring the shit out of them. If Obama wins the map will simply get bluer and bluer. Virginia is the type of state that will remain blue, as will Colorado and NM thanks to the hispanic influence. Those three states alone will secure dem domination.

The republicans need a revolution, but before that happens they will continue to lose elections on every level. And when that revolution does occur and they start shunning the xenophoic nationalist fundie types, I wonder where the south will go this time.

From Ben Smith's blog

Quote
McCain's questioner in Wisconsin today put it clearly.

"We're all wondering why Obama is where he's at. How he got here. Everybody in this room is stunned we're in this position," he said.

.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 09, 2008, 06:52:39 PM
Another good thing that will happen is that in 2010 we'll have another census, which will cause states like Ohio that are dying and losing population to lose electoral votes/congressional seats, and states like Virginia and NC to probably gain some.  Haha, suck it down you rural pigfuckers.  If we're really lucky DC and Puerto Rico will become states.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 09, 2008, 06:56:05 PM
mccain is so awful that even some dyed-in-the-wool RACISTS will pick a black man over him! :o :o :o

this is a real phenom: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/undecided-racis.html

Quote
An Obama supporter, who canvassed for the candidate in the working-class, white Philadelphia neighborhood of Fishtown recently, sends over an account that, in various forms, I've heard a lot in recent weeks.

"What's crazy is this," he writes. "I was blown away by the outright racism, but these folks are fucking undecided. They would call him a distinguished black fellow and mention how they don't know what to do because of the economy."
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: tiesto on October 09, 2008, 06:58:23 PM
I live on Long Island.

My condolences.

You've already expressed them to me. :-\

I was attempting to state how my family is that way even though they live in BLUE AREA.

Well, in 2004 both Nassau and Suffolk were pretty divided up between Kerry/Bush votes (same in 2000 with Bush/Gore votes I believe), with a slight Democrat lean.

The majority of my family is voting Obama (although they were all Hillary supporters in the primaries), apart from my uncle and aunt who give me the "Democrats will tax the hell out of small business owners", like themselves, spiel.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 09, 2008, 07:01:39 PM
My family is 99.9% Democrat. My sister's husband is the only conservative on either side. One of my uncles is a state senator for the 25th district here in Washington state.

My wife's family, however, is another story. Being from Nebraska, they're pretty much all conservatives. Her sister and brother-in-law are the only other liberals, although her parents are both voting for Obama. It's the first time in their lives they're voting for a Democrat. :rock
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2008, 07:04:29 PM
mccain is so awful that even some dyed-in-the-wool RACISTS will pick a black man over him! :o :o :o

this is a real phenom: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/undecided-racis.html

Quote
An Obama supporter, who canvassed for the candidate in the working-class, white Philadelphia neighborhood of Fishtown recently, sends over an account that, in various forms, I've heard a lot in recent weeks.

"What's crazy is this," he writes. "I was blown away by the outright racism, but these folks are fucking undecided. They would call him a distinguished black fellow and mention how they don't know what to do because of the economy."

Saw that a few days ago; truly fascinating. A "folksy" type republican would probably seal the deal with those people but not even Palin can get those people to vote for McCain.Some people are hurting, they feel betrayed by Bush, they AGREE McCain would be a third Bush term. And while they aren't exactly ready to vote for Obama right now, he's winning them over every single day, with every debate and every stump speech.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Fresh Prince on October 09, 2008, 07:11:30 PM
TBH I don't see how Bobby Jindal will ever get the national Republican base in whatever years time.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2008, 07:15:35 PM
The way the primaries are set up...Jindal doesn't have a chance. They may love his Christian values but they love Huck's too, same with Palin. Jindal could run the greatest campaign ever and still lose to them in Iowa, South Carolina, Nevada, and the other early states. No chance
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 09, 2008, 07:26:08 PM
me and my Alaskan family of liberals (we are very, very rare) are voting Obama.  But I personally only know very few people who ain't voting for Palin/McCain.

We were a red state before, we will remain a red state.  And the Palin nomination got all the conservatives here (pretty much everybody) EXTRA excited about the election.  And yes, I've heard the muslim thing all before.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Fresh Prince on October 09, 2008, 07:28:14 PM
The way the primaries are set up...Jindal doesn't have a chance. They may love his Christian values but they love Huck's too, same with Palin. Jindal could run the greatest campaign ever and still lose to them in Iowa, South Carolina, Nevada, and the other early states. No chance
Even as a VP, his nomination would a distraction rather than an advantage.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 09, 2008, 07:36:07 PM
Afterwards I found one of Willco's friends and ate a delicious Sundae in front of them.

 :lol

I love you.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: hyp on October 09, 2008, 07:42:03 PM
I've heard some asians aren't really liking Obama for some reason

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml

Quote from: John Mccain
"I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."

hmmmm
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 09, 2008, 07:49:01 PM
On my Dad's side of the family, when talking about politics, they all got pretty pissed.  When I asked about voting for Obama, my uncle's face turned red and said "I'm not voting for no fucking distinguished black fellow" and stormed off.  Most of them are pissed that the Republicans are sucking ass but can't vote for a black man.  So they plan on staying home.  A few of them.  Some are still going to vote for McCain but he's losing badly in Iowa, so it doesn't matter.

My mom's side are all Democrats but are Hillary supporters.  They're voting for Obama reluctantly.

My Dad won't be voting and my mom will be voting Obama.  However, both of them think Palin is very smart so that's still kind of a loss nonetheless.

My sister wants to vote for McCain because Palin is a woman.  She went to the Democrat caucuses to vote for Hillary.  Yeah, she's one of those people.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 09, 2008, 08:58:37 PM
Quote
An Obama supporter, who canvassed for the candidate in the working-class, white Philadelphia neighborhood of Fishtown recently, sends over an account that, in various forms, I've heard a lot in recent weeks.

"What's crazy is this," he writes. "I was blown away by the outright racism, but these folks are fucking undecided. They would call him a distinguished black fellow and mention how they don't know what to do because of the economy."

this uh doesn't exactly make me feel great about prospects for 2010 when the economy still sucks.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 09, 2008, 09:00:45 PM
Quote
An Obama supporter, who canvassed for the candidate in the working-class, white Philadelphia neighborhood of Fishtown recently, sends over an account that, in various forms, I've heard a lot in recent weeks.

"What's crazy is this," he writes. "I was blown away by the outright racism, but these folks are fucking undecided. They would call him a distinguished black fellow and mention how they don't know what to do because of the economy."

this uh doesn't exactly make me feel great about prospects for 2010 when the economy still sucks.

Obama will be dead by then so problem solved.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Tauntaun on October 09, 2008, 09:05:00 PM
On my Dad's side of the family, when talking about politics, they all got pretty pissed.  When I asked about voting for Obama, my uncle's face turned red and said "I'm not voting for no fucking distinguished black fellow" and stormed off.  Most of them are pissed that the Republicans are sucking ass but can't vote for a black man.  So they plan on staying home.  A few of them.  Some are still going to vote for McCain but he's losing badly in Iowa, so it doesn't matter.

My mom's side are all Democrats but are Hillary supporters.  They're voting for Obama reluctantly.

My Dad won't be voting and my mom will be voting Obama.  However, both of them think Palin is very smart so that's still kind of a loss nonetheless.

My sister wants to vote for McCain because Palin is a woman.  She went to the Democrat caucuses to vote for Hillary.  Yeah, she's one of those people.

wow
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2008, 09:12:03 PM
I'm surprised that racism hasn't been more prominent in this race so far.   When I first hear that a black guy was running I assumed that there would be burnt crosses on his front lawn the next day. 
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: border on October 09, 2008, 09:16:22 PM
in a stunningly rare display of political consistency, my dad, who was turned off of kerry by the swift boat efforts, was ALSO turned even further off of mccain by that rolling stone article about mccain's military service.
Is that Rolling Stone article legit, or just part of some run n' gun smear campaign?
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 09, 2008, 09:17:51 PM
I think people keep their racism to themselves a lot more these days. Even the rednecks in that Ohio youtube vids are scared to come out and say what's clearly on their mind. Which is why I think the Bradley Effect might really come into play on Election Day.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2008, 09:23:46 PM
the Bradley Effect doesn't exist
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/persistent-myth-of-bradley-effect.html
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 09, 2008, 09:27:09 PM
the Bradley Effect doesn't exist
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/persistent-myth-of-bradley-effect.html

Well, the article says it does exist. Just asserts that it doesn't apply to Obama. If true, great. I'm always happy to be educated!
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2008, 09:31:34 PM
Eh, it argues that today it doesn't exist. It didn't contribute to losses of any black politicians recently, even in very racially charged races like the Tennessee senate primaries of 06, which Harold Ford Jr. lost.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Brehvolution on October 09, 2008, 09:33:43 PM
The amount of racism I"ve seen lately is appalling. In 2008, the year of the PS3, people still buy more white consoles than black. :'(
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: tiesto on October 09, 2008, 10:07:58 PM
The amount of racism I"ve seen lately is appalling. In 2008, the year of the PS3, people still buy more white consoles than black. :'(

Guess nobody wanted to welcome "chang3" by supporting the black candidate. Thankfully, the presidential election is not like the console wars.

Obama = PS3 (black, "welcome chang3" marketing slogan)
Hillary = 360 (white, blows up every so often)
McCain = Wii (old (Wii is old technology), the old guy and soccer mom make up both of their demographics, not to mention the whole Nintendo=Conservative stereotype)
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Crushed on October 09, 2008, 10:17:34 PM
Racism.  :'(

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Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 09, 2008, 10:40:02 PM
me and my Alaskan family of liberals (we are very, very rare) are voting Obama.  But I personally only know very few people who ain't voting for Palin/McCain.

We were a red state before, we will remain a red state.  And the Palin nomination got all the conservatives here (pretty much everybody) EXTRA excited about the election.  And yes, I've heard the muslim thing all before.

Do you think that Palin's candidacy can save Ted Stevens and Don Young?  Or will Begich and Berkowitz pull out their races?  It would be great to get rid of Senator Tubes.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Brehvolution on October 09, 2008, 10:55:22 PM
If you made those Crushed, you are more awesome. :bow
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Mandark on October 10, 2008, 02:38:22 AM
Y'all make me glad that my extended family is made up of progressive Catholics and Jews.

It does kind of starve me for "here's what the regular folks think" anecdotes, though.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Fragamemnon on October 10, 2008, 03:00:29 AM
Do you think that Palin's candidacy can save Ted Stevens and Don Young?  Or will Begich and Berkowitz pull out their races?  It would be great to get rid of Senator Tubes.

Young's toast no matter what.
Stevens will be closer but Stevens can't escape gravity's pull between the trial (regardless of the outcome) and the current economic situation that is rapidly mutating into a plague that targets Republican incumbents.

my family is a long line of Southern Democrats, they voted for Carter ,  Reagan and then Clinton, then Gore and Kerry after Rove went all hyperpartisan in 2004. I don't share their beliefs exactly though and pop a woody when I hear words like "socialized", "nationalized", and "regulation".
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Mandark on October 10, 2008, 03:03:26 AM
If the residents of any state could avoid feeling the pinch of our current collapse, I'd figure it would be Alaskans.  After all, their economy rests on the twin pillars of oil extraction and largess from the federal government.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Fragamemnon on October 10, 2008, 03:27:06 AM
If the residents of any state could avoid feeling the pinch of our current collapse, I'd figure it would be Alaskans.  After all, their economy rests on the twin pillars of oil extraction and largess from the federal government.

We all have retirement to pay for, and we all use stocks to help pay for it, at least in part.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Mandark on October 10, 2008, 03:31:09 AM
Ooooooooh yeah.  Those 401(k) statements aren't going to look pretty.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Fragamemnon on October 10, 2008, 03:57:49 AM
Ooooooooh yeah.  Those 401(k) statements aren't going to look pretty.

They are REALLY bad. It's part of the reason why McCain's support in PA and FL have completely collapsed-people, even if they don't know how much they have lost in their 401(k)s and IRAs, know that they have lost a ton.  If they knew just how much (likely 30% or more for most workers under 50, even with decent asset allocations), we'd see demands for public executions of financial services CEOs, which I would completely be willing to participate in if they needed someone to wear the righteous black hoodie of mob anger.

I got lucky and freaked into mostly cash months ago, and only have had a overall retirement haircut of around 7%.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: TVC15 on October 10, 2008, 03:59:19 AM
Ooooooooh yeah.  Those 401(k) statements aren't going to look pretty.

They are REALLY bad. It's part of the reason why McCain's support in PA and FL have completely collapsed-people, even if they don't know how much they have lost in their 401(k)s and IRAs, know that they have lost a ton.  If they knew just how much (likely 30% or more for most workers under 50, even with decent asset allocations).

I got lucky and freaked into mostly cash months ago, and only have had a overall retirement haircut of around 7%.

My mom, in PA, was going to retire next February.  She had been planning on it for over 3 years.  Let's just say she's uh, not retiring now and she's not sure if she can ever retire, due to the 401k hit she took.

Luckily, I absolutely hate her, so I've ignored all of her stupid woman hints of indirectly asking for help without actually asking for it.  Even if she directly asked, I'd let the bitch rot.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: brawndolicious on October 10, 2008, 04:54:25 AM
in a stunningly rare display of political consistency, my dad, who was turned off of kerry by the swift boat efforts, was ALSO turned even further off of mccain by that rolling stone article about mccain's military service.
Is that Rolling Stone article legit, or just part of some run n' gun smear campaign?
Well, the worst parts were him crashing planes, giving up military intelligence, and causing a blackout over spain so there's no way they could have made up those things without being sued for libel or something.  The parts about McCain's attitude/temper were based on interviews with his friends or with reporters so I'm betting that the whole article was completely accurate.  It was obviously written only to attack McCain but there is no way that you can claim that much without solid evidence.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: tiesto on October 10, 2008, 09:44:46 AM
Ooooooooh yeah.  Those 401(k) statements aren't going to look pretty.

They are REALLY bad. It's part of the reason why McCain's support in PA and FL have completely collapsed-people, even if they don't know how much they have lost in their 401(k)s and IRAs, know that they have lost a ton.  If they knew just how much (likely 30% or more for most workers under 50, even with decent asset allocations), we'd see demands for public executions of financial services CEOs, which I would completely be willing to participate in if they needed someone to wear the righteous black hoodie of mob anger.

I got lucky and freaked into mostly cash months ago, and only have had a overall retirement haircut of around 7%.

Just went and looked at my 401k... went from $41k in there at the start of 2008 to $32k :(

Luckily, I have 30+ years before I even think about retiring.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: huckleberry on October 10, 2008, 09:47:37 AM
That article on McCain is pretty rock solid in facts.  I have read a few articles that talk about his famous temper tantrum throwing before and after he made it to Congress.  Alexander Cockburn on Counterpunch has written some scathing criticism of McCain talking about these very things.


My family, unfortunately, is made up of hillbillies and fundies - so they will be voting for McCain.  They all have known my mind for years now and don't even try to bring up politics for fear of being brow beaten by their own ignorance.  My brother in Detroit is married to a working class white girl who, from what I can tell, is afraid of all things black and will definitely not vote for Obama.  My youngest brother will vote Obama - unfourtunately he is one of those who listens to Coast to Coast and believes in Nostradamus.  

My wifes family includes all those kinds of idiot you saw on the YouTube videos at the Palin rally in Ohio.  They are typically southern Ohioan - xenophobic to the core.  Just the name "Obama" is enough to send them into a fury.  The only sane one is my father in law who has shed his suit of ignorance and will actually vote for Democrats.  He is the one who called me on election day 4 years ago to let me know about the scam they were pulling letting people still vote for Nader even though he had been taken off the ballot.

It really does no good for me to even vote in the Presidential election this year - McCain is going to win my state in a huge way.  Of course getting rid of McConnell would be great - except the guy who is trying to replace him (Lundsford) is an incompetent hack.  It would be wonderful to help creat a power vacuum in the Senate by getting rid of McConnell.  The senatorial election is very close here - mostly due to the state Democratic party putting their support behind Lundsford - who is widely seen as someone who just wants to get elected to an office, any office.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 10, 2008, 10:39:43 AM
blech, snl giving palin the hate and fear monger air time on the 25th
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 10, 2008, 12:12:55 PM
Y'all make me glad that my extended family is made up of progressive Catholics and Jews.

It does kind of starve me for "here's what the regular folks think" anecdotes, though.

My dad is a Libertarian.   :'(

My mom is a crazy old hippie that was totally in the can for Hillary, but never HATED Obama.  She's actually volunteering at the Obama office in Asheville and apparently met him when he was there last week.  My sister is in the can for Obama, too.

Most encouraging is my uncle on my mom's side.  He's an old school, Rockefeller Republican.  He was actually the County Commissioner of a small town county in western Michigan about 15 years ago and he's someone who I genuinely respect.  He spends most of his time in Ireland these days but told me in an email last week that "for the first time in my life, I am voting a straight Democratic ticket and I will do it with no compunctions whatsoever."
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 10, 2008, 12:13:29 PM
Why do people expect Palin to run in 2012? I feel like she'll just recede back into Alaska and stay where she's loved.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Eric P on October 10, 2008, 12:38:19 PM
my parents are PUMAs.

kind of depressing

Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Fragamemnon on October 10, 2008, 01:03:15 PM
Why do people expect Palin to run in 2012? I feel like she'll just recede back into Alaska and stay where she'll be jailed for abuse of power.

One can hope, right?
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: chronovore on October 10, 2008, 01:17:27 PM
blech, snl giving palin the hate and fear monger air time on the 25th

I'll blow back in her face.

Speaking of which, any chance she'll also do an appearance on MILF Hunter?
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Crushed on October 10, 2008, 02:21:17 PM
If you made those Crushed, you are more awesome. :bow

Not me. I don't have the 3D skills.

It comes from this freaking awesome SA thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2969549

(http://i33.tinypic.com/34dkbci.gif)
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: cool breeze on October 10, 2008, 02:28:50 PM
That's awesome.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Oblivion on October 10, 2008, 05:28:42 PM
in a stunningly rare display of political consistency, my dad, who was turned off of kerry by the swift boat efforts, was ALSO turned even further off of mccain by that rolling stone article about mccain's military service. ultimately, though, he thinks mccain is a "wall street socialist" and that obama is merely "toothless," so he grudingly admits he'll vote obama. this is actually pleasantly surprising, since my dad drops the n-bomb in conversation at LEAST every fifteen minutes. :o

Your dad sounds fuckin awesome, dude. And I'm not kidding either. :bow
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 10, 2008, 06:03:01 PM
:-\

my dad is a dude's dude, for sure; he takes being "hardcore" to new levels, like when he fell off a roof onto his back, cracked three vertebrae, and then climbed back up onto the roof to finish the tiling job 4 hours later despite being in terrible agony. or when he busted his nose body-surfing, swam back to shore, and rebroke it himself using two pieces of wood so it would set (he was a field medic in vietnam). the stories he tells from his 'nam days are :o :bow :o :bow2 :o

shame his intellectual rigor isn't exactly up to the same level. the racism gets old when you know he's being serious, or worse: when he tries to defend it.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 10, 2008, 06:04:54 PM
If the residents of any state could avoid feeling the pinch of our current collapse, I'd figure it would be Alaskans.  After all, their economy rests on the twin pillars of oil extraction and largess from the federal government.
Yeah, we're actually sorta okay.  The skyrocketing cost of oil has offset the more endemic economical worries that the rest of the nation is feeling.

What we really depend on is resource stuff (oil, mining and fish are the biggies) and tourism, federal money is so lovely, but its not the engine behind our economy.  Its more like the new, properly inflated tires on the car.  It helps a whole heckava lot, but other factors are more important.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: laesperanzapaz on October 11, 2008, 01:59:54 AM
it's funny because my family doesn't cause they think he's a liberal slave to the pockets of Israel... 

<= arabic/muslim

poor obama aint getting love from no one. :(

seriously i never talked to any radical that thought he's good, they hate his guts *funny yet sad*
wait

so your family is muslim

and they think obama is in the pocket of israel

...
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 11, 2008, 02:05:24 AM
nobody even vaguely left-wing here in Portland likes Obama.  myself included, the way the Democrats didn't even try to advance an alternative to the bailout bullshit was so shameful.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: brawndolicious on October 11, 2008, 02:05:55 AM
it's funny because my family doesn't cause they think he's a liberal slave to the pockets of Israel... 
<= arabic/muslim
poor obama aint getting love from no one. :(
seriously i never talked to any radical that thought he's good, they hate his guts *funny yet sad*
wait
so your family is muslim
and they think obama is in the pocket of israel
...
he did express some anti-Iran sentiments when talking to a jewish audience once I believe.  I'm sure he'll say whatever he needs to say for votes though.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2008, 01:29:40 PM
What do you expect him to say when Israel is involved? Everyone has to dance to their tune  :violin :usacry
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Mupepe on October 11, 2008, 02:27:33 PM
my grandpa almost always calls him "osama"

and my dad hates him
Hispanics tend to hate him

Daddy Yankee endorsed McCain and called him a fighter for hispanic community.  What a dolt.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Mandark on October 11, 2008, 03:02:49 PM
my grandpa almost always calls him "osama"

and my dad hates him
Hispanics tend to hate him

Daddy Yankee endorsed McCain and called him a fighter for hispanic community.  What a dolt.

I saw that.  I think he just likes McCain's position on drilling for more gaso-liiiiiiiina.
Title: Re: Why is my family shocked I like Obama?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2008, 03:03:33 PM
Obama is crushing McCain with hispanics