THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: GilloD on October 13, 2008, 10:31:48 AM
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Are the haters the same haters who hates Fallout 2 or are they genuine prophets? I'm terrified. What if it's bad? Assuage my anxieties please.
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It's Oblivion with guns -or- open world Bioshock
If that doesn't intrigue you, then you had false expectations. What it isn't is Fallout 3, as in the sequel to Fallout 2, but I don't really care about that. I think it looks great (not graphically...it looks like butt graphically).
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1) It's Oblivion with gunz. The very same Oblivion with gunz people feared from the day Bethesda obtained the license.
2) It's cramped as fuck. There are very, very, very short distances between camps, vaults, raider bases, shops etc. FORGET the vastness of Fallout 1&2. In Fallout 3 everything lies next to each other.
Other than that I think such Fallout 3 is still better than no Fallout 3 but...
...VAN BUREN...
NEVER FORGET
Oblivion with guns, minus the bullshit filler landscape, sounds fuck awesome.
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1) It's Oblivion with gunz. The very same Oblivion with gunz people feared from the day Bethesda obtained the license.
2) It's cramped as fuck. There are very, very, very short distances between camps, vaults, raider bases, shops etc. FORGET the vastness of Fallout 1&2. In Fallout 3 everything lies next to each other.
Other than that I think such Fallout 3 is still better than no Fallout 3 but...
...VAN BUREN...
NEVER FORGET
What does an overrated DJ have to do with Fallout?
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I watched some vids of FO3 yesterday. What the fuck is this shit? Seriously. It's not even Oblivion with guns. It's a Goddamn turn based first person shooter. Every single fight is taking a couple pot shots at enemies beelining straight into you, then turning on VATS and insta gibbing them. Every single fight. I've seen some apologists postulate that all of the videos have either god mode or some sort of super aim turned on, but I think that's bullshit. In FO1 and FO2, it took maybe 2 or 3 levels for someone tagged with small arms to get that skill above 100%, which combined with a high PER means 95% aimed headshots all the time.
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Sadly Fallout 3 has to face the invincible nostalgia of the first Fallout titles; its fate is sealed at this point.
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It's Oblivion with guns
:D
open world Bioshock
:yuck
fuck bioshock
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bioshock was a good game, oblivion was a very weak game if you had ever played a lot of Morrowind. Oblivion = more of the same with better graphics, blah
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What i played was horribly boring, FPS mechanics are broken, you have to use the pause thing turn based shit in order to make the combat work well, and the graphics are absolute shit.
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well, everyone who wants fallout 3 can download the glorious playable van buren tech demo. If Fallout 1 and 2 were as clunky as that, then I'll take Oblivion with guns and disregard the franchise name.
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God dammit. Maybe I'll rent this and buyS SR2 instead
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God dammit. Maybe I'll rent this and buyS SR2 instead
Just play more Crackdown instead!
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Sadly Fallout 3 has to face the invincible nostalgia of the first Fallout titles; its fate is sealed at this point.
Yeah, I fear this will get a Deus Ex sized backlash after it's out for a month or so. Still, I'm trying to be cautiously optimistic.
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No need to fear, its been getting that backlash since it was announced.
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I'm talking a larger scale, open world size backlash. With better graphics.
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I'm talking a larger scale, open world size backlash. With better graphics.
It'll give off the appearance of just that, but all told, it'll be maybe 1000 raging internet nerds total. The game will crack a million and every subsequent thread on any gaming board ever will meltdown into a battle between people who like it for what is and nostalgia dudes. Heated words will be exchanged. subtle digs about new players being posers will be made. new players will complain about how outdated the old games are. In the year 20XX, nothing is safe.
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Sadly Fallout 3 has to face the invincible nostalgia of the first Fallout titles; its fate is sealed at this point.
Yeah, it's a shame.
bioshock was a good game, oblivion was a very weak game if you had ever played a lot of Morrowind. Oblivion = more of the same with better graphics, blah
This is also true. Oblivion was downgraded a lot from Morrowind in terms of gameplay, and in general Cyrodiil was incredibly boring compared to Vvardenfell. Morrowind was probably the single player game I spent most time with.
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1) It's Oblivion with gunz. The very same Oblivion with gunz people feared from the day Bethesda obtained the license.
2) It's cramped as fuck. There are very, very, very short distances between camps, vaults, raider bases, shops etc. FORGET the vastness of Fallout 1&2. In Fallout 3 everything lies next to each other.
Other than that I think such Fallout 3 is still better than no Fallout 3 but...
...VAN BUREN...
NEVER FORGET
Stop Borys, I'm already hyped enough :hyper
OBLIVION WITH GUNS MINUS FILLER PLUS BIOSHOCK MINUS GOOD BIOSHOCK ART PLUS BETTER THAN OBLIVION ART = :omg
Fuck you Fallout fans, you guys are over, nobody gives a fuck about your nostalgia. Fallout 3 is for the xbox 360 fans who loved Oblivion and Bioshock and like playing console RPGs. Go back to your PCs! Fallout 3 has been usurped and now belongs to us. :punch
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Never played Fallout in my life, and i loved Oblivion.
1st - Fallout 3 is nothing like Bioshock.
2nd - Fallout 3 isn't as fun as Oblivion.
3rd - Fallout 3 really is an ugly game, as soon as you see those character models you wonder if you went back in time.
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2nd - Fallout 3 isn't as fun as Oblivion.
wow, that's not very hopeful. Oblivion, though I did put about 60 hours into it, isn't very exciting or fun either. how is this worse?
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2nd - Fallout 3 isn't as fun as Oblivion.
wow, that's not very hopeful. Oblivion, though I did put about 60 hours into it, isn't very exciting or fun either. how is this worse?
Oblivion had a sense of physicality to the combat at least, and a more "wow look at this world" thing going on. And getting a horse and traveling across the mountains and even story wise when you go to the temple, and it's snowing and it's so beautiful.
Fallout 3 has none of that. The beginning is even worse than oblivion, they think they are real smart with the whole growing up thing early on but it's lame, and boring, and goddamn the characters talk so much but they are so ugly, and the the cockroaches move like boxes, and when the fighting starts you just want it to end because it's painfully bad. And the pitboy interface is ugly and just makes you wanna avoid at all costs using it.
Then you arrive to Megaton, and you don't find one interesting character and everything is so ugly, and you just want to blow the goddamn city, and you go to the hotel and you kill lots of dogs, and then you nuke megaton, and then i didn't want to play more.
Seriously, i have no desire whatsoever of playing the game again.
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Are the haters the same haters who hates Fallout 2 or are they genuine prophets? I'm terrified. What if it's bad? Assuage my anxieties please.
The achievements are good
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(http://i38.tinypic.com/15f2nf4.gif)
fuuuuuck.
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I'm sort of scared because I just watched soom footage off of GTTV, and now I fell the need to buy it. :-\
BUT, it supposedly has none of that strange humor like Fallout 2 had. AND it's made by Bethesda, who made that rotting pile of shit Oblivion. Oh, and everyone talks and moves like a zombie.
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The footage on Gametrailers spoils the entire game.
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All they showed was Washington D.C. and blowing up Megaton. And a black dude who talked and moved like a zombie.
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And the hardest enemies of the game, the strongest armor, the strongest weapon, the hardest area, etc... They basically show off all the things you should be working for to see.
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As much as I hated Oblivion, I'd rather not be spoiled on this so try not to be too big of a dick to ruin it
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Blame console gamers. They can't handle the complexity of traditional PC rpgs.
Blame PC gamers. They won't buy games.
:(
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All I wanted was Oblivion with guns.
Hopefully that's what happens.
Fallout 3 looks like it will be a title that may be well designed, but some people are going to hate it no matter what. Shit, the Fallout series almost has more nostalgia attached to it than a Nintendo game.
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wtf
Fallout is a minor cult title in the general conscience of gamers. I think a lot of people are really overbuilding the popularity of the first two titles.
F3 is getting all this hype because it's a fps game with rpgs settings. It could had been called something else and people who still be very hyped about it.
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I've played through Fallout and and have it with Fallout 2 purchased through GOG....I am a bit worried about Fallout 3 for the reasons Draft has mentioned. Having said this, I'm hoping Bethesda can pull this off to be more than Oblivion with guns or I'll be disappointed.
I'm torn between buying this and Red Alert 3 on October 28. I don't have time for two games on one day.
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I agree with Shuri. Shocked they're calling it Fallout 3 and not Fallout: something or Fallout. Is it really worth it to add the name for notoriety and with it the crazies?
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I don't think that making it 'Fallout 3' was only a problem for name association. I'm guessing that the VATS shit was probably because they didn't want to veer off too much from an RPG and it's really a shame.
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Yeah it makes no sense to call the game Fallout 3.
It is basically a new vision for the fallout series. Not enough hardcore fallout fans left to care if it is a direct sequel or not.
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i've never played a fallout, and oblivion + guns - shitty level scaling = OK WITH ME. so much the better if it pisses off beardy nostalgics. and in the worst case it'll still kill ass effect
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I expect it'll be huge, clunky, ugly, and bug-ridden, just like Oblivion. But I'm looking forward to it. The VATS is the only major thing that looks like total ass - I'm hoping to get by without it mostly.
Some shadows would be nice too, but eh, it's Bethesda.
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I haven't played a Fallout or Oblivion, so I can't think of any cool remarks. I just think the premise sounds cool.
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looks ugly as shit to me
Once my badass computer gets here imma buy Oblivion, which looks good to me
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post-apocalyptic > medieval stuff, to me
i've barely seen any footage of either game, actually
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I wish they would have hired some new voice actors too.
It was bad enough playing Oblivion with only a handful of voice actors, but seeing the Fallout 3 videos with lizard man's voice coming out of the bartender or whatever is pretty jarring.
looks ugly as shit to me
Once my badass computer gets here imma buy Oblivion, which looks good to me
In fairness, Oblivion is butt ugly as well. Unless you really, really like trees I suppose. Mods would help too maybe.
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I like medieval stuff at lot, more so than sci fi post-apocalyptic stuff. give me magic, dragons, and hot underage sex over gunz anyday
(http://tinyurl.com/54kgg8)
I've noticed human character models in Oblivion look so ugly but overall I like the look of the world. Seems fun. If I had a 360 I'd be geeking out over Fable 2
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I probably have the same preference. I really enjoyed Oblivion, but it does really lack on variety in the overworld, being basically all forest and undulating ground. Something like a cliff, ravine, waterfall, or overhang would have been nice (there are a couple of little waterfalls, but I mean there literally are "a couple"). In spite of that, I still like strolling around exploring.
The characters are really ugly, although it is possible to create a good male character for yourself.
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Across 7 systems
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As long as there's no item/level scaling bullshit, I'm fine with the Oblivion comparison.
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I'm pretty sure he bought it six or seven times across the three platforms. TVC can confirm.
He bought a couple PS3s too
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I was really worried about this game till I watched the new trench warfare and subway fighting with the zombies videos....
I think the game will deliver.
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Didn't Prole buy Oblivion 7 times?
http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=25641.0
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I wish they would have hired some new voice actors too.
They did.
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The only thing I dont like about the videos (and this could be due to the players style) is that you are slow moving and dont really take cover or anything...
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I wish they would have hired some new voice actors too.
They did.
... and fired all the old ones.
I can't recall any new voices in the "blowing up Megaton" video I admit. I look forward to new voices though.
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Don't worry,game is great,been playing it whole weekend.Game is technically better than Oblivion,only thing that some people might(will) hate is its art.There is no rain,world fells really lonely,everything is black,grey and dirty,covered in ashes.
The game fells more like Morrowind(music,feel of loneliness,what the hell am i suppose to do next).
Also game can be really creepy sometimes.
And the world is bigger than Poland :D
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http://www.gametrailers.com/player/41332.html
Awesome. Fears assuaged.
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Assuaged? Enemy AI looks horrible. :-\
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Assuaged? Enemy AI looks horrible. :-\
The enemy AI would have to be Stephen Hawking's chair smart to stand a chance against a dude who can freeze time every 15 seconds to pop off 95% headshots.
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Yeah no doubt.
I was so stoked for this game for the longest time but...the closer it gets to release and the more I see it the less I want it.
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Assuaged? Enemy AI looks horrible. :-\
What was the last game that had reasonable AI? And who's heading into this expecting to see ZOMG AI anyway?
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Assuaged? Enemy AI looks horrible. :-\
What was the last game that had reasonable AI? And who's heading into this expecting to see ZOMG AI anyway?
It's a FPS with shit FPS mechanics and combat (Shitty A.I and shooting). Doesn't that, by default, make the whole thing worthless?
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Assuaged? Enemy AI looks horrible. :-\
What was the last game that had reasonable AI? And who's heading into this expecting to see ZOMG AI anyway?
Crysis Warhead was the last game.
Good A.I. is a great thing. Coming from Crysis, seeing those guys standing there not doing shit is repulsive. On the other hand, games can be fun without good A.I.
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The truth is out there:
http://www.nma-fallout.com/article.php?id=45725 (http://www.nma-fallout.com/article.php?id=45725)
From what I've seen, Fallout 3 does not have any of the qualities of the previous episodes. But that was to be expected. However, it has none of the diffuse magic of the Elder Scrolls series. It feels like Bethesda made a break with this new title, a sad bend towards products multiplying "fan service", the dumb, goofy stuff that will make the client laugh, the "awsum roxxorz" elements and micro-gameplay to the detriment of world coherence and deeper mechanisms. To sum it all up, expect loads of shallow combat spoiled by VATS and slowmotion sequences as gore as pathetic, a terribly short main quest - a Spanish colleague has finished it in less than an afternoon, during his first playthrough - nice secondary quests, but which completely missed the intelligence and density of the series, the whole being flavored with failed occasions.
VATS slow motion may be the worst crime against video gaming since the invention of the auto-aim and checkpoint based save system.
I don't know what the people of Bethesda had in mind... Maybe they feared that the game would be too short and imposed a twenty seconds on us at each targeted shot to extend the gameplay length, maybe they really desire that we notice their face modeling with independent eye globes, maybe they simply suffer from blaring bad taste, from a love for Brotherhood of Steel they want to share at any price?
Lambda players will probably enjoy it. But, us? Well, we still cannot swallow it, this mucky heresy. Sure, I could destroy it, dip it into a vat of hatred just to clean the insult. But it wouldn't make it better. It wouldn't bring Black Isle back. So if you don't mind, I'm going to stop here and have a drink at the café of broken dreams.
Most locations you can discover are "raider dungeons". City ruins are copy-paste of the same and only model, here and there flavored by the same and only model of tricycle (the very poetic "Red Ryder") and even worse, the main quest will get you through an Hellgate London-ish nightmare in which you had to pass through kilometers of underground for hours and hours.
Reference to Hellgate...OUCH!
I'm sure the US Media will overrate this game since they would like to get a job at Bethesda.
Thankfully it sounds like the main quest is short so I can rent it, finish it, and return it in a couple weeks. Save myself 60 dollars.
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The western media doesn't really know how to score RPGs. Watching gameplay videos of this I just don't get it yet. Maybe the interpersonal interactions are really good.
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While the article has points, it still reeks of "pining for the good ol' days".
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Yeah he is a fallen Fallout fan who wants things old school, but there is always a semblance of truth to his comments no matter how biased his perspective may be.
For example, the VATS system has always looked like garbage.
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No Mutants Allowed hates Fallout 3? shocking news ::)
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i put over 100 hours into oblivion
if i put half that into fallout 3, i will have gotten my $60 worth
i get a kick out of the oblivion backlash nowadays
"oblivion is shit"
"you really think so? how long did you play it?"
"about 60 hours"
"..."
i'm not looking for the motherfucker to change my world, i just want a fun game, and every video i've seen so far makes it look like a lot of fun
if phil hartman were still alive he could make a new snl character, "the anal retentive gamer"
they wouldn't even have to write dialogue for him, he could just read message board posts
or that article you linked
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I'll trade in vesperia and some other shit in for this. No money offa my back.
Can you turn off the slow-mo?
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VATS is optional. You can do real time exclusively the whole way through as far as I know.
Thank God.
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yeah, but why would I want to play a real time combat fallout? :-\
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Oh, so you'd like to keep VATS, but without the slow motion. Got it.
I dunno, I'm going to be treating this one like a FPS RPG since VATS really isn't doing it for me. It annoys me when a game is halfway between two game types (kind of like the awful combat in KOTOR).
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That guy had been waiting to write that review since the game was announced.
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:lol
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That guy had been waiting to write that review since the game was announced.
yeah those NMA fegs are pathetic
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Reading the thread about that article at NMA is sickening. People are actually EXCITED that the game is apparently awful!
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I can't wait for this game. It come out 2 days after my bday. So it's kind of neat. But 1 and 2 were awesome imo. Some good times playing those back in 97/98.
Hopefully this version will give me some good times in these troubled times.
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Dont worry Misha barton likes it
http://omg.yahoo.com/photos/fallout-3-launch-party/2378?nc#id=1
A Fallout 3 Launch party with C list celebrities bizzaree.
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Borys: The original Fallout 3... what's the story behind that? I love hearing about cancelled or completely reimagined videogames. Even if it's a bit bland-looking this day and age, graphically, it looks much more interesting than what we really got for Fallout 3.
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VATs is terrible. Optional or not. They should have just gone with a standard FPS that had hints of RPG elements.
Agreed. I don't understand how they thought it would be a good idea to put it in. Does anyone like the idea of it?
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I don't really care about the game's mechanics one way or the other, I just want it to hurry up and leak.
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Dont worry Misha barton likes it
http://omg.yahoo.com/photos/fallout-3-launch-party/2378?nc#id=1
A Fallout 3 Launch party with C list celebrities bizzaree.
That event and the comments on that page make me want to drink bleach. I can't begin to imagine how awkward that event was.
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Classic series homogenized for fratboy demographic. Xbox ruining gaming.
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Classic series homogenized for fratboy demographic. Xbox ruining gaming.
Stick it to the man and pirate it for PC.
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Classic series homogenized for fratboy demographic. Xbox ruining gaming.
They may as well call it Fallout: Invisible War
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Bring it on!
This month has been my favorite month all gen thus far.
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Woot, just found out the PC version is supporting GFW Live, and therefore achievements. At $10 cheaper, better graphics, 360 controller support, and achievements, I will be getting the PC version.
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This hate fest is making me not regret not having the finances to get this. Awesome. Thanks, EB.
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Oh yeah, PC version is the only correct version to get for this. :lol All the rest were on PC, might as well keep it that way. Plus I only game on PC, I don't own any next gen, too poor. :P
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Woot, just found out the PC version is supporting GFW Live, and therefore achievements. At $10 cheaper, better graphics, 360 controller support, and achievements, I will be getting the PC version.
maybe that's the reason why it hasn't leaked yet...can't get around the GFW-Live shit.
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Have they shown the PC version yet? I know they've shown the 360 version a lot since it had the button hud and it looked like butt. I hope it looks better considering the 360 version really is ugly. I feel bad for PS3 only owners who are getting the ugliest version of an ugly game.
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Woot, just found out the PC version is supporting GFW Live, and therefore achievements. At $10 cheaper, better graphics, 360 controller support, and achievements, I will be getting the PC version.
maybe that's the reason why it hasn't leaked yet...can't get around the GFW-Live shit.
Nah, they can leak the game without having a way to play it yet. That happened with Far Cry 2 the other night, except they made a crack the next morning.
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The only thing I am worried about is the VATs system. I have not seen a single video of someone missing the target while using it.
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Have they shown the PC version yet? I know they've shown the 360 version a lot since it had the button hud and it looked like butt. I hope it looks better considering the 360 version really is ugly. I feel bad for PS3 only owners who are getting the ugliest version of an ugly game.
I dunno - I saw the PS3 edition runnin in hi-rez on QORE and it looks fine.
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Have they shown the PC version yet? I know they've shown the 360 version a lot since it had the button hud and it looked like butt. I hope it looks better considering the 360 version really is ugly. I feel bad for PS3 only owners who are getting the ugliest version of an ugly game.
I dunno - I saw the PS3 edition runnin in hi-rez on QORE and it looks fine.
That's what you say too about every bad PS3 port. Just sayin'.
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Have they shown the PC version yet? I know they've shown the 360 version a lot since it had the button hud and it looked like butt. I hope it looks better considering the 360 version really is ugly. I feel bad for PS3 only owners who are getting the ugliest version of an ugly game.
I dunno - I saw the PS3 edition runnin in hi-rez on QORE and it looks fine.
That's what you say too about every bad PS3 port. Just sayin'.
Right what I mean is that the version available to me on my game console of choice looks fine. It didnt look ugly or any different from what I have seen of this game anywhere else.
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Right what I mean is that the version available to me on my game console of choice looks fine. It didnt look ugly or any different from what I have seen of this game anywhere else.
Why do you need a console of choice? You have enough money to play the best possible version every time.
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Right what I mean is that the version available to me on my game console of choice looks fine. It didnt look ugly or any different from what I have seen of this game anywhere else.
Why do you need a console of choice? You have enough money to play the best possible version every time.
I honestly dont even have enough time to play one console.
One day when I can game 9-5 m-f ill own them all again
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Have they shown the PC version yet? I know they've shown the 360 version a lot since it had the button hud and it looked like butt. I hope it looks better considering the 360 version really is ugly. I feel bad for PS3 only owners who are getting the ugliest version of an ugly game.
I dunno - I saw the PS3 edition runnin in hi-rez on QORE and it looks fine.
Qore videos are generally low resolution and bad, so...yeah.
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Have they shown the PC version yet? I know they've shown the 360 version a lot since it had the button hud and it looked like butt. I hope it looks better considering the 360 version really is ugly. I feel bad for PS3 only owners who are getting the ugliest version of an ugly game.
I dunno - I saw the PS3 edition runnin in hi-rez on QORE and it looks fine.
Qore videos are generally low resolution and bad, so...yeah.
They are in 1080p (varying source material) but look much better than anything I saw about the game on say gametrailers.
I thought the game looked like shit on any platform till I saw the hi rez QORE videos.
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I subscribe to Qore yearly, I have seen every video on every episode, and almost every time their videos are of poor quality. They may be 1080p, but the actual quality of the video is really bad.
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I subscribe to Qore yearly, I have seen every video on every episode, and almost every time their videos are of poor quality. They may be 1080p, but the actual quality of the video is really bad.
who gives a shit?
im specifically talking about the F3 videos in qore october.
they look better than any video i have seen of the game on the web.
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I found someone who likes VATS - my mother who turns 70 in December and isn't very good at FPSs. Good job Bethesda, you're reaching heretofore untapped markets with the innovation of VATS. :dur
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I found someone who likes VATS - my mother who turns 70 in December and isn't very good at FPSs. Good job Bethesda, you're reaching heretofore untapped markets with the innovation of VATS. :dur
Subtle confirmation of a Wii port?
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I don't get the hate for VATS. I can see myself using it pretty often. I play first person shooters, but I don't see why I would bother aiming by hand when I can just statistically target whatever I need to.
I'm a huge Fallout fan from back in the day, and while this is a huge change, I'm really excited. Then again, I loved Oblivion...
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I don't get the hate for it when it's optional and you can play the whole game without using it.
It's like getting angry at McDonald's that they give you the option of having lettuce on your burger when you don't like lettuce.
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Personally, I don't hate VATS, but I don't understand at all why Bethesda thought it would be a good idea to include it at all. And I'm not even a Fallout fan crying over changes. I thought I was alone, but it seems most people think it looks distinguished mentally-challenged.
It's good that it's optional, but my main concern is that some enemies or parts of the game might be extremely difficult unless you resort to VATS. A bit like those enemies with the hard armour and tiny eye where they're vulnerable.
Don't get me wrong, I'm getting the game and I'm sure I'll enjoy it as much as Oblivion in spite of being ugly, clumsy and clunky (like Oblivion).