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Title: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Bocsius on December 01, 2008, 10:01:17 PM
Sony says "if you can't say anything nice, say nothing at all!"
Nintendo says: [raughs]

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Xbox-360-Registers-Biggest-Black/story.aspx?guid={30D240D0-C7F8-4AFF-956D-5072AC0F997A}

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REDMOND, Wash., Dec 01, 2008 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- Microsoft Corp.'s Xbox 360 video game and entertainment system kicked off the holidays with record- breaking console sales on one of the biggest shopping weekends of the year in the U.S. Retailers reported Xbox 360 console sales over the Black Friday weekend were on pace to beat previous years, outselling the PlayStation 3 by a three-to-one ratio and estimating a 25 percent increase from Xbox 360 Black Friday sales figures from 2007.

That being interesting and all, but I think year-over-year November will be close to flat, if not slightly down (last year's monthly sales: 770K). Last year, Black Friday fell on November 23, and the reporting period ran through December 1. More time for holiday sales for November. This year, BF on the 11/28, reporting ends on 11/29. Just my two cents.

In other news, I hope 360 burns through some older inventory so I can get a newer model sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Brehvolution on December 01, 2008, 10:06:42 PM
It should.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: cool breeze on December 01, 2008, 10:07:19 PM
shock and awe

360 deals on black Friday were so good that I was about to buy another one for $130.  Best deal on the PS3 was...actually I don't think there were any deals on the PS3.  
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 10:08:35 PM
Budget system sells, news at the Bore. It's a shame it's such a shit system, or it could even be considered a good value.  :(
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Bocsius on December 01, 2008, 10:10:27 PM
I got selected for one of those Amazon.com voting deals on a PS3. If I had been fortunate enough to get in early enough (actually, to even try), I could have gotten a PS3 + LBP + the POTC trilogy for $199. It would have been worth it for POTC. The runner up deals were for PS3 + some other crap for $299.

I wasn't going to try for it, though, as I was hoping to get selected for a the 46" Sammy they were going to sell for $699 a couple of days later. One of the runner-ups for that day would have been a standlone blu-ray player, which I'd prefer to have over a redundant gaming platform.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 01, 2008, 10:24:13 PM
It should.

The best HD gaming system at half the price. Damn well it should, consumers aren't that distinguished mentally-challenged.

Budget system sells, news at the Bore. It's a shame it's such a shit system, or it could even be considered a good value.  :(

Ugh, is it fool moon or some shit? Damn, that's probably the most distinguished mentally-challenged fellow you've made yourself look so far. I thought you were getting better.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: drohne on December 01, 2008, 10:27:27 PM
i contributed to the xbox victory :'(

but it's hard to repent when my BRAND NEW $130 ARCADE merely sounds like a badly engineered console and not a badly engineered jet engine
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: tiesto on December 01, 2008, 10:30:27 PM
Would anybody be bitching about the 360's victory if the system was more reliably built? Apart from a RROD I've been extremely impressed with the console, its feature set, and the support MS has gained, especially after not caring for its predecessor much at all.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 10:34:33 PM
Would anybody be bitching about the 360's victory if the system was more reliably built? Apart from a RROD I've been extremely impressed with the console, its feature set, and the support MS has gained, especially after not caring for its predecessor much at all.

Well, the games are generally uninspired tripe and various Rare garbage, but other than that it's alright. Also holding it back is the absolutely uselessness of its much talked of media features. Shitty laggy shit console with shit media navigation. But wait, how about the XBL experience? Pay to get yelled at by tweens empowered by anonymity, nothing can beat that! And if that's not enough, buy some themes!

Seriously though, I would have been happy with a real successor to the Xbox. You know, the system that packed more features than you could shake a stick at, and that did so really well too. Now, it's all about the nickel and dime. Also missed: Rallisport, Amped.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 01, 2008, 10:36:39 PM
Can't really say I'm surprised when the 360 Arcade is now 1/2 price of the cheapest PS3 model.  360 is now hitting mainstream pricing and will sell as such.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2008, 10:37:28 PM
what does the ps3 have, by comparison, other than a blu-ray player and sub-360 graphics performance? 90% of the ps3's library is on the 360, only better
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 10:39:58 PM
what does the ps3 have, by comparison, other than a blu-ray player and sub-360 graphics performance?

Standard common format HDD 3x the size of the "premium" Xbox Shitty. Built-in wifi. Free and better online. It's like a generational difference between these two systems, really. Oh yeah, and only one system has Wipeout.

:piss Xbox 360 :piss2
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Bocsius on December 01, 2008, 10:40:50 PM
But what do you play on it?
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: drew on December 01, 2008, 10:40:58 PM
salezzzzz
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: drohne on December 01, 2008, 10:41:08 PM
360 versions of games are trivially better at this point, and ps3 at least has the advantage of legitimate first party game development -- as limited as this advantage may be compared to the flourishing exclusive 3rd party development on a console like ps2 :'(
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 01, 2008, 10:41:47 PM
what does the ps3 have, by comparison, other than a blu-ray player and sub-360 graphics performance? 90% of the ps3's library is on the 360, only better

It has the word "PlayStation" on the machine.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: pilonv1 on December 01, 2008, 10:45:12 PM
But what do you play on it?

:rofl prole even said library.

and i dont see how online is better on ps3 anyway, besides being free ??? its certainly not integrated any better.

if i didnt know any better i'd think AA is trolling me :(
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 01, 2008, 10:45:53 PM
hahahahahhahah what? "Better Online"?

is this you, Duckman?

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http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5172/1213072880864af3.jpg
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Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2008, 10:46:12 PM
what does the ps3 have, by comparison, other than a blu-ray player and sub-360 graphics performance?

Standard common format HDD 3x the size of the "premium" Xbox Shitty. Built-in wifi. Free and better online. It's like a generational difference between these two systems, really. Oh yeah, and only one system has Wipeout.

:piss Xbox 360 :piss2

where is this "better online" on the ps3

same ol frat tards sharing the virtual playground

now with crappier content delivery and patching, busted tunneling protocols, and last-gen online features
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 01, 2008, 10:47:46 PM
I'm sure when Uncharted 2 comes out, 360 sales will grind to a halt.  Its Drake but only he's acting all stealthy n' shit:

Resistance
Virtua Fighter 5
Gundam Musou
Motorstorm
Lair
Heavenly Sword
Uncharted
Blu-Ray Movie Format
Haze
Home
Metal Gear Solid 4
LittleBigPlanet
Resistance 2

White Knight Chronicles
Killzone 2
Uncharted 2
Final Fantasy XIII
Gran Turismo 5
Final Fantasy XIII Versus
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2008, 10:48:21 PM
hahahahahhahah what? "Better Online"?

is this you, Duckman?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5172/1213072880864af3.jpg
[close]

demi's goin' to bed with a smile on HIS face tonight
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 01, 2008, 10:48:45 PM
Valkyria Chronicles: The one AWESOME exclusive self-proclaimed PS3 fans won't buy.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2008, 10:49:11 PM
I'm sure when Uncharted 2 comes out, 360 sales will grind to a halt.  Its Drake but only he's acting all stealthy n' shit:

Virtua Fighter 5
Gundam Musou
Motorstorm
Lair
Heavenly Sword
Uncharted
Blu-Ray Movie Format
Haze
Home
Metal Gear Solid 4
LittleBigPlanet

White Knight Chronicles
Uncharted 2
Final Fantasy XIII
Gran Turismo 5
Final Fantasy XIII Versus

you forgot the flop that was resistance 2 and the great cracker hope for killzone 2
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2008, 10:49:37 PM
Valkyria Chronicles: The one AWESOME exclusive self-proclaimed PS3 fans won't buy.

and disgaea 3 :gloomy
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 01, 2008, 10:50:43 PM
PS3 fans are dumb
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 01, 2008, 10:50:54 PM
Sorry.  I almost forgot that Resistance 2 even came out.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Rman on December 01, 2008, 10:51:36 PM
Better online?  :rofl
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Bocsius on December 01, 2008, 10:52:42 PM
It's free, which makes it automatically better. That part is true.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 01, 2008, 10:53:31 PM
Better online?  :rofl

Wait, doesnt PS3 allow you to stream movies from Netflix? That's pretty cool.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 10:54:28 PM
Oh yeah, and KZ2 absolutely fucking smokes the cluttered, paint-on texture wonder of all things clumsily faked that is Gears 2. So much for the power gap being a myth.

And yeah, better online, absolutely. For one, it's free. And then there is the fact that Sony first party online smokes anything on the 360, in featureset and functionality. Unless of course you really prefer p2p and slow ass, tightly controlled matchmaking (and matchmaking only) over dedicated servers and the choice of matchmaking or server browsing. But wait, I can't share my totally cool pictures and stats that no one really gives a shit about! Boo PS3, amirite?

But bu bu I can invite my friends totally easy on the 'Shitty! /Home

Xbox 360, the choice of paying to be under total control at all times
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: drohne on December 01, 2008, 10:54:35 PM
the license transfer process is fucking distinguished mentally-challenged, btw -- looks like i'll have to redownload everything even though it's already sitting on the hd? either that or it just didn't work
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2008, 10:54:40 PM
duckman's lost it. he knows that he will soon place a 360 receipt in his little heart-shaped box and finally join the true next generation console experience

a scant enough prize when the shrieking cod4 fanboy set calls him a dirty attractive Jewish person nigra and dry humps his avatar
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Rman on December 01, 2008, 10:54:43 PM
Better online?  :rofl

Wait, doesnt PS3 allow you to stream movies from Netflix? That's pretty cool.
That's was directed at Ducky, MAF.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 01, 2008, 10:56:01 PM
Well still, streaming movies from Netflix is pretty cool. Props for that much.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 10:56:56 PM
duckman's lost it. he knows that he will soon place a 360 receipt in his little heart-shaped box and finally join the true next generation console experience

a scant enough prize when the shrieking cod4 fanboy set calls him a dirty attractive Jewish person nigra and dry humps his avatar

Actually, I just sold my 360  :usacry
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 01, 2008, 10:57:45 PM
duckman will crack and get another 360 once nobody will be bothering to play Killzone 2 online anymore, which should be a couple months after its release.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 10:58:27 PM
duckman will crack and get a 360 once nobody will be bothering to play Killzone 2 online anymore, which should be a couple months after its release.

1. See above
2. I haven't touched Killzone 2 since I got Wipeout HD
3. Xbox 360 sucks shit because it doesn't have Wipeout HD
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 01, 2008, 10:58:36 PM
duckman will crack and get another 360 once nobody will be bothering to play Killzone 2 online anymore, which should be a couple months after its release.

Well, no one plays Halo 2 or 3 anymore, so its even.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2008, 10:58:47 PM
the license transfer process is fucking distinguished mentally-challenged, btw -- looks like i'll have to redownload everything even though it's already sitting on the hd? either that or it just didn't work

at least you CAN download it

the ps3's duckman2000-approved online experience can't even negotiate NAT properly on 2/3rds of the routers out there, including mine


mmmmm, two days to download wipeout hd
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Bocsius on December 01, 2008, 10:59:10 PM
duckman will crack and get another 360 once nobody will be bothering to play Killzone 2 online anymore, which should be a couple months after its release.

I think he's already been through three of them. Will probably go through three more before it's all said and done. That's how he rolls.

I put the over/under on future duckman Wii purchases at 2, just for the record.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 01, 2008, 10:59:59 PM
Wipeout won't last you forever.

I wouldn't mind owning a PS3 but I'd want it for the few games worth playing on it (Wipeout HD) and for the BR Player.  Once it comes down $100, I'll bite.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 11:00:28 PM
Wipeout won't last you forever.

It just might.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 11:01:08 PM
duckman will crack and get another 360 once nobody will be bothering to play Killzone 2 online anymore, which should be a couple months after its release.

I think he's already been through three of them. Will probably go through three more before it's all said and done. That's how he rolls.

I put the over/under on future duckman Wii purchases at 2, just for the record.

Probably. I totally sold this one knowing I'll buy one at some point in the future.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2008, 11:01:54 PM
at any rate, can we officially rebadge the ps3 as the "gamecube 2" now

and rename duckman2000/aa as "anihawk 2"
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Rman on December 01, 2008, 11:02:58 PM
the license transfer process is fucking distinguished mentally-challenged, btw -- looks like i'll have to redownload everything even though it's already sitting on the hd? either that or it just didn't work

at least you CAN download it

the ps3's duckman2000-approved online experience can't even negotiate NAT properly on 2/3rds of the routers out there, including mine


mmmmm, two days to download wipeout hd

Is that the reason PSN downloads are so slow?  It took me foreover to download the r2 and lbp betas.  It reminded me of the 56k days.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 01, 2008, 11:03:07 PM
The lack of Valkyria Chronicles talk sux, its the best game on ps3 but nooooo
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2008, 11:03:33 PM
Sony servers are great. I remember one time I bought this game, it was called Socom or whatever and none of the servers worked!

Oh yeah, and KZ2 absolutely fucking smokes the cluttered, paint-on texture wonder of all things clumsily faked that is Gears 2. So much for the power gap being a myth.

I'm sure if Epic Games had almost five fucking years and 100 million dollars of fun money they could crank out a game that looks twice as good as Killzone 2.

i kinda wish ms would pony up the cash and dev time for one truly knockout 360 exclusive, just to cause large amounts of jfag suicides at gaf

but alas, these hard times demand profits
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 01, 2008, 11:03:55 PM
I always figured that Borys would be Anihawk 2.

:borys2
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2008, 11:05:16 PM
the license transfer process is fucking distinguished mentally-challenged, btw -- looks like i'll have to redownload everything even though it's already sitting on the hd? either that or it just didn't work

at least you CAN download it

the ps3's duckman2000-approved online experience can't even negotiate NAT properly on 2/3rds of the routers out there, including mine


mmmmm, two days to download wipeout hd

Is that the reason PSN downloads are so slow?  It took me foreover to download the r2 and lbp betas.  It reminded me of the 56k days.

oh, there's all SORTS of ps3 protocol stack issues that could be to blame. it has one of the worst overall network implementations since, uh, well, shit, forgot about the iphone
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 11:07:46 PM
Ah yes, I'm sure Epic has worked under horrible restraints when creating (recycling) assets or fine tuning their showcase tech powering their showcase game of the generation.  :violin
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 01, 2008, 11:09:51 PM
It must be nice using assets from a previous success, wonder if Killzone 2 could.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: pilonv1 on December 01, 2008, 11:11:07 PM
the license transfer process is fucking distinguished mentally-challenged, btw -- looks like i'll have to redownload everything even though it's already sitting on the hd? either that or it just didn't work

yeah you have to redownload everything :gloomy
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 01, 2008, 11:11:26 PM
I remember when Duckman used to sound like an eloquent distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. Now he just sounds like a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. Damn, it's actually weird to see him act so far out in the land of the Sfag, location "Dumbshit".

Seriously, not even kidding.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2008, 11:11:49 PM
Ah yes, I'm sure Epic has worked under horrible restraints when creating (recycling) assets or fine tuning their showcase tech powering their showcase game of the generation.  :violin

you mean their multiplat engine tech, which when fine-tuned runs best on the 360 platform? :tophat
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 01, 2008, 11:12:58 PM
I remember when Duckman used to sound like an eloquent distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. Now he just sounds like a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. Damn, it's actually weird to see him act so far out in the land of the Sfag, location "Dumbshit".

Seriously, not even kidding.

With Resistance 2 and maybe LittleBigPlanet tanking, things are tough for Sfags everywhere.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 11:13:14 PM
Real talk for a second: The weird thing about Gears 2 is that the 360 is evidently very capable of good lighting and shadowing, yet I swear the game felt flatter than the first. Or did they upgrade it for Gears PC, did that skew my perception of what Gears looked like?
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 11:14:49 PM
you mean their multiplat engine tech, which when fine-tuned runs best on the 360 platform? :tophat

It's a shame that's the best showcase there is for the 360 then  :gloomy
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 01, 2008, 11:14:58 PM
By the time KZ2 comes out, Gears has already pumped out 2 games, and will probably be over 10 m+ Sold series wise. Add to that the Goty awards that it has won.

Yes, i'm sure gamers, MS, and Epic, are very jealous. ahahahahah Goddamn, what a nutso.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2008, 11:16:11 PM
you mean their multiplat engine tech, which when fine-tuned runs best on the 360 platform? :tophat

It's a shame that's the best showcase there is for the 360 then  :gloomy


yet it is still more technically impressive than killzone 2 :'(

(actually, i think far cry 2 is more technically impressive than either)
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 01, 2008, 11:16:58 PM
more like failzone
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Purple Filth on December 01, 2008, 11:19:49 PM
Such a shithole of a thread, its like reading GAF (especially Sales-age)


very nice MS

smh @ Sony
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Bocsius on December 01, 2008, 11:21:41 PM
hasn't the news since friday been that hdtvs and blu-ray players were hit pretty hard?  why is this on the gaming forum anyway?

Anyway, back to this. When BR players are still $300+ at Best Buy, they deserve to have a rough time. I don't think there's one brand player below $299. I think I saw an Insignia player around $250 or so, that was about it.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Rman on December 01, 2008, 11:22:18 PM
I know we're just having fun with ducky, but KZ2 does look very impressive.  SONY has invested tons in that title and it shows, at least graphically--I haven't played the game.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 11:22:54 PM
Never mind the fact that actual BR movies cost a fortune and a half in most stores
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Rman on December 01, 2008, 11:24:09 PM
you mean their multiplat engine tech, which when fine-tuned runs best on the 360 platform? :tophat

It's a shame that's the best showcase there is for the 360 then  :gloomy


yet it is still more technically impressive than killzone 2 :'(

(actually, i think far cry 2 is more technically impressive than either)

Oh yeah, Far Cry 2 shits all over Killzone 2 as well.
I wouldn't say that.  At least graphically.  You're talking about 360/PS3 versions, not the PC version, right?
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 11:24:38 PM
I know we're just having fun with ducky, but KZ2 does look very impressive.  SONY has invested tons in that title and it shows, at least graphically--I haven't played the game.

It's a hot looking game. Plays well, too, which is much more surprising. I'm not sure if I can be bothered with getting into another MP game as I still consider COD4 good enough for my short play session, but if you're really into MP, it should be hot.

Which is why it isn't fair to compare it to Gears of War 2 because it's only been two years since the first game.

:lol It's not fair!
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Rman on December 01, 2008, 11:26:26 PM
you mean their multiplat engine tech, which when fine-tuned runs best on the 360 platform? :tophat

It's a shame that's the best showcase there is for the 360 then  :gloomy


yet it is still more technically impressive than killzone 2 :'(

(actually, i think far cry 2 is more technically impressive than either)

Oh yeah, Far Cry 2 shits all over Killzone 2 as well.

I know we're just having fun with ducky, but KZ2 does look very impressive.  SONY has invested tons in that title and it shows, at least graphically--I haven't played the game.

Obviously it looks amazing. It's been in development for probably 5 or so years. Which is why it isn't fair to compare it to Gears of War 2 because it's only been two years since the first game.

More Development time ≠ Quality Product.  Look at Too Human.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 01, 2008, 11:31:07 PM
So Kz2 is the new golden chicken?

LBP is out now? The great bastion of hope? And R2? Love how R2 was deemed shit as soon as KZ started to look like a quality game, no more need for pretending un? You sfag.

Must be tough to be a Sfag, always with the waiting game. At least Nfags have npd every month.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Purple Filth on December 01, 2008, 11:31:18 PM
ah well more games for me to play, dont give a shit about the "saviour"


Which is why it isn't fair to compare it to Gears of War 2 because it's only been two years since the first game.

:lol It's not fair!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/34/Time_Enough_at_Last.jpg)


Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Brehvolution on December 01, 2008, 11:36:20 PM
Jesus f'n christ.

Everything must be shit on.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 11:38:30 PM
Jesus f'n christ.

Everything must be shit on.

Well, yes
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Bildi on December 01, 2008, 11:38:40 PM
the license transfer process is fucking distinguished mentally-challenged, btw -- looks like i'll have to redownload everything even though it's already sitting on the hd? either that or it just didn't work

yeah you have to redownload everything :gloomy

And even when I redownloaded Shivering Isles after a license transfer it STILL doesn't work if I'm not signed into Live. 

Good job MS. >:(
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 11:41:38 PM
Yeah, down with MS
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2008, 11:41:48 PM
hey, we pack into 3 pages what gaf does in 30

:bow evilborean efficiency :bow2
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 11:42:15 PM
This is true
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Brehvolution on December 01, 2008, 11:44:22 PM
Jesus f'n christ.

Everything must be shit on.

Well, yes
Too bad it's not consistent across other platforms.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 11:44:59 PM
Jesus f'n christ.

Everything must be shit on.

Well, yes
Too bad it's not consistent across other platforms.

Well, I'm only one person, damn it!

And to be fair, people do shit on Rare.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Brehvolution on December 01, 2008, 11:49:26 PM
I'm sorry I can't "help" as much. :lol

I just can't troll for the sake of trolling even though everyone else does, it's a personal flaw. :'(

Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 11:51:07 PM
I'm sorry I can't "help" as much. :lol

I just can't troll for the sake of trolling even though everyone else does, it's a personal flaw. :'(

What in the hell... trolling for the hell of it is pretty much the only reasonable, respectable form of trolling there is. Yeah, it's a flaw alright.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Oblivion on December 01, 2008, 11:51:29 PM
and rename duckman2000/aa as "anihawk 2"

Cept ducky's being serious. :/



You know, since Sony seems to have a thing for pouring gobs of monies at games that anyone's willing to give even a cursory glance at, I'm tempted to start a Jet Moto appreciation thread on GAF and hope Sony takes notice. If I have to hear about another overevangelized mediocre savior for the PS3 for the next several months, might as well make it a mediocre savior that I'd actually wanna play. Or maybe even Mark of Kri 2? :O
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 11:51:35 PM
Wipeout HD
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: drohne on December 01, 2008, 11:51:41 PM
and so concludes my unbelievably protracted backwards journey through every game, add-on, and stupid namco unlock code i have ever downloaded on my 360 -- of which last there were about a million

this has wasted nearly an hour of time i could have spent reading

though on the other hand it's made me want to play :bow rr6 :bow2 again

still the best 360 game that isn't called chromehounds? probably
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 11:53:17 PM
... can you get shut out of playing a game online, despite actually paying to play online.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: drohne on December 01, 2008, 11:53:57 PM
And even when I redownloaded Shivering Isles after a license transfer it STILL doesn't work if I'm not signed into Live. 

Good job MS. >:(

i didn't even think of that -- please don't tell me i have to try out all the add ons i just nominally redownloaded :gloomy
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 11:55:10 PM
Anyone remember Steel Battalion?

:bow Xbox  :bow2
:piss Xbox 360  :piss2
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Brehvolution on December 01, 2008, 11:56:38 PM
There has never been a game I bought for the PS3 where I have been, "Oh shit, I bought the wrong version. :'("

Contrary to what the net has said otherwise.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2008, 11:57:19 PM
like you know what you're missing
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: cool breeze on December 01, 2008, 11:57:25 PM
The only PS3 game I see selling well on the PS3 is Gran Tursimo 5...in 2010 or whenever the hell it comes out.  I don't know how prologue sold, but the Gran Turismo Series has always been popular.

There has never been a game I bought for the PS3 where I have been, "Oh shit, I bought the wrong version. :'("

Contrary to what the net has said otherwise.

There has only been one for me, GTA4, but it was more "Oh shit, I bought the wrong version of a game I shouldn't have bought :'("

and Stranglehold I guess, but the movie is still worth it despite the only marginal improvement from DVD quality
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 01, 2008, 11:58:48 PM
lmfao, did duckman say PS3 has better online? :rofl
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 01, 2008, 11:59:07 PM
Actually I was trolling but Chromehounds would be nigh fucking unplayable without almost blanket headset support like the 360.

Assuming people use the headsets, mind you. I tried playing some Halo 3 online, and there were on average 3 people in each game that even had headsets. Not that Halo 3 really calls for it, but it felt suspiciously like playing games on PS3. And to add to the confusion, there has been a ton of chatter in the recent PS3 games I've played. To the point where I have opted not to play with headsets, unless the game has really called for team work. No clue where I'm going with this.

lmfao, did duckman say PS3 has better online? :rofl

2 or 3 times, even.

The only PS3 game I see selling well on the PS3 is Gran Tursimo 5...in 2010 or whenever the hell it comes out.  I don't know how prologue sold, but the Gran Turismo Series has always been popular.

KZ2 will sell. Infamous will bomb, and everyone will rightfully scream "unfair"
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Bildi on December 02, 2008, 12:00:01 AM
And even when I redownloaded Shivering Isles after a license transfer it STILL doesn't work if I'm not signed into Live. 

Good job MS. >:(

i didn't even think of that -- please don't tell me i have to try out all the add ons i just nominally redownloaded :gloomy

Shivering Isles was the first thing I tried while offline after the transfer, and since it didn't work I didn't bother trying anything else.  Admittedly I'm always online so it doesn't affect me greatly, but it still pisses me off that Microsoft still hasn't fully resolved what should be such a simple thing. 
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Brehvolution on December 02, 2008, 12:00:15 AM
like you know what you're missing
True for multiplats. LIVE and Achievements, yes. It's the 1st party you hear the most about. Every little nuance.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2008, 12:02:05 AM
would have been different if Uncharted 2 was announced before black friday
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Brehvolution on December 02, 2008, 12:04:59 AM

KZ2 will sell. Infamous will bomb, and everyone will rightfully scream "unfair"

Halo 3 didn't make it's mark overnight. Neither did GTA4. Why are only certain titles allowed legs?
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 02, 2008, 12:12:16 AM
I would be into KZ2, and maybe LBP, if I could just get some fuckin demos for them. I don't know how to get into all these exclusive betas and I don't really care to find out. Downloading the Home theme didn't do shit for me.

This board needs less 'sfag/xfag' btw
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: cool breeze on December 02, 2008, 12:13:46 AM
I don't know how to get into the exclusive/private beta (except for home on my Japanese account for some reason) but for littlebigplanet I just signed up on Eurogamer.  For Resistance 2 I basically did the same.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Oblivion on December 02, 2008, 12:19:12 AM
This board needs MOAR 'sfag/xfag' btw

Fixed.

When they continue to fight and eventually destroy themselves, then there will only be Nintendo left! All goes keikaku, etc.

:bow petty system warz :bow2
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 02, 2008, 12:21:30 AM
I would be into KZ2, and maybe LBP, if I could just get some fuckin demos for them. I don't know how to get into all these exclusive betas and I don't really care to find out. Downloading the Home theme didn't do shit for me.

This board needs less 'sfag/xfag' btw

I never applied for the KZ2 beta, and I'm not a member of the "underground" or whatever the hell it's called. Ironically, I got into the two of them that felt like genuine betas (KZ2 and Warhawk) without ever applying. I'm guessing it's random.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Bocsius on December 02, 2008, 12:26:12 AM
You got into the 360 beta, too.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: y2kev on December 02, 2008, 12:31:29 AM
Is it just me or does it seem like this gen everything is hyperbole?

I think my favorite time to be a gamer is after the dust settles. This past summer I had so much fun filling out my collection on PS2 because you could find the games cheap and you could talk to people about games and gaming rationally and cooly. I am curious to see how gamers reflect on the 360 and the PS3, but I have somewhat of a hunch it isn't going to be as positive as I sort of feel about it now.

I'm not sure if that's the trend for everything-- ninthings have managed to hold on to memories of the SNES, for example, and the PS2 still enjoys a sort of honeymoon period even in year 9-- but I am not sure the same will be said for these five or six years.

I know this is being somewhat myopic...
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Oblivion on December 02, 2008, 12:37:31 AM
Is it just me or does it seem like this gen everything is hyperbole?

I think my favorite time to be a gamer is after the dust settles. This past summer I had so much fun filling out my collection on PS2 because you could find the games cheap and you could talk to people about games and gaming rationally and cooly. I am curious to see how gamers reflect on the 360 and the PS3, but I have somewhat of a hunch it isn't going to be as positive as I sort of feel about it now.

I'm not sure if that's the trend for everything-- ninthings have managed to hold on to memories of the SNES, for example, and the PS2 still enjoys a sort of honeymoon period even in year 9-- but I just don't see our memories being kind. :\

I still love the SNES/Genesis stuff, though the biggest complaint is that most of the games feel too short.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: y2kev on December 02, 2008, 12:41:08 AM
I do too-- what I remember of it-- but I no longer think Secret of Evermore is the "GREATEST RPG I HAVE EVER PLAYED."

I read someone on gaf saying that Fable 2 is what Zelda should have become after LTTP and I couldn't believe it. Get some perspective!
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Bocsius on December 02, 2008, 12:57:36 AM
Can't say that I've touched a SNES. Went straight from Atari to NES to not gaming to N64. Now I'm back to mostly not gaming.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 02, 2008, 12:58:31 AM
Quote
I think my favorite time to be a gamer is after the dust settles. This past summer I had so much fun filling out my collection on PS2 because you could find the games cheap and you could talk to people about games and gaming rationally and cooly.

this is why I don't buy game hardware until it's <$150.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: maxy on December 02, 2008, 01:34:44 AM
Massive damage to the Titanic,xboat is getting too crowded,sorry sfags.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: drohne on December 02, 2008, 01:46:48 AM
did sega publish ch in japan as well? anyway i'm pretty disheartened to see from wasting their time on games without robots in them
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 02, 2008, 01:47:10 AM
You got into the 360 beta, too.

I see no evidence that it has gotten past the beta stage
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 02, 2008, 01:52:24 AM
Is it just me or does it seem like this gen everything is hyperbole?

I think my favorite time to be a gamer is after the dust settles. This past summer I had so much fun filling out my collection on PS2 because you could find the games cheap and you could talk to people about games and gaming rationally and cooly. I am curious to see how gamers reflect on the 360 and the PS3, but I have somewhat of a hunch it isn't going to be as positive as I sort of feel about it now.

I was sort of thinking about that earlier. I didn't particularly like the PS2, loved the Xbox, but I also got into that generation a bit late, just like with the generation before. Actually, this is the first generation where I jumped straight into it at release day (of both consoles) probably in part due to PC gaming no longer being a viable alternative, and it's been overall disappointing. There have been glimpses of brilliance, but generally, it's not until now that I feel that either console has really come into their own. I'm thinking late 2009 would have been a good time to jump on board, maybe 2008 for Xbox 360. The PS3 has completely redeemed itself with Wipeout HD, still waiting on something of the Rallisport caliber on the 360. But both systems are actually pushing good stuff right now, and it only looks better in the next year.

That said, I don't remember last generation as particularly laid back. Maybe there was less of a blistering fanboy war due to the differences being much greater, but man, it must have sucked being a Nintendo fan in the Purple Lunchbox generation.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 02, 2008, 02:04:16 AM
Quote
The PS3 has completely redeemed itself with Wipeout HD, still waiting on something of the Rallisport caliber on the 360

so the PS3 just needed a HD version of a PSP game to be redeemed whilst the X360 has to top the best racing game ever made?

Even odds are even!

PSP port, feh. It's a Wipeout game on the PS3, and looking very much the part of a next gen racing game due to its polish and inherent stylistic beauty. It's unique, and it's the good of Playstation for a change. The fact that it's a PSP game probably says more about the shittiness of other racing game developers than it does about the console it's blessing with its presence.

As for RSC, its absence and the lack of BC support for RSC2 really stands as an example of all the things wrong with the Xbox brand this generation. Instead of pushing something genuinely exciting, they have decided to go with the sterile, competently engineered but ultimately drab, B-grade shit of PGR and Forza.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: pilonv1 on December 02, 2008, 02:25:29 AM
hey, we pack into 3 pages what gaf does in 30

:bow evilborean efficiency :bow2

evilbore - so efficient we should be german

and fucking hell chrome hounds was one of the best online games ever. except for teh game breaking -9999999999999999 bug that ruined my clan :'( i love that game so much
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 02, 2008, 02:46:16 AM
You have lost it Altogether.

You were cool a while ago now you are bordering on the Wollan level of sfagness.

smh

Don't project your impossible fanboy standards onto me just because you couldn't spot a deliberate fanboy bender even if it was pointed out and explained to you.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 02, 2008, 02:48:05 AM
yeah, it's not even funny at this point.  Sony is pretty thoroughly licked for the gen, though they are still holding their own.  MS was super aggressive while Sony laid back, these are the results. Duckman, I salute your dedication...this thread would be pretty boring otherwise :lol

I'm going to make a thread about the more interesting side topic going on here.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Tieno on December 02, 2008, 03:26:48 AM
Ducky is working over time. Now if he played the game developed in his home country we'd get somewhere, what a fake non-Swede.



Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Tabasco on December 02, 2008, 04:32:45 AM
I don't play the shitty sim racers, but I kind of thought the PGRs on 360 were sterile.  GRID has bested PGR imo.  AA's failure here is not talking up Motorstorm.  It is really the best thing to happen to racing games since Burnout 3.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Sho Nuff on December 02, 2008, 05:11:10 AM
Ducky is working over time. Now if he played the game developed in his home country we'd get somewhere, what a fake non-Swede.

Click the little red blobby thing under his avatar, it works awesome
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: maxy on December 02, 2008, 08:06:20 AM
Sfags are getting more and more annoying as expected,self-destruction imminent.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: cool breeze on December 02, 2008, 08:11:42 AM
I think the reason Forza 2 wasn't as big as Forza 1 was because graphically it was pretty poor in comparison to others games out there.  Driving was still better than the GT games.

and PGR4 added some refinement to PGR3, new different cars since they didn't need to stick to the power cars like they did in PGR3, and it has Geo Wars Waves which became useless with Geo Wars 2.  I'm still happy I bought it.  PGR2 is still my favorite.  Bizarre is still one of the best developers that doesn't get enough respect and The Club was also awesome.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: demi on December 02, 2008, 08:14:06 AM
hahahahahhahah what? "Better Online"?

is this you, Duckman?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5172/1213072880864af3.jpg
[close]

I love this picture, never gets old :heart
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 02, 2008, 08:21:40 AM
I think the reason Forza 2 wasn't as big as Forza 1 was because graphically it was pretty poor in comparison to others games out there.  Driving was still better than the GT games.

and PGR4 added some refinement to PGR3, new different cars since they didn't need to stick to the power cars like they did in PGR3, and it has Geo Wars Waves which became useless with Geo Wars 2.  I'm still happy I bought it.  PGR2 is still my favorite.  Bizarre is still one of the best developers that doesn't get enough respect and The Club was also awesome.

Forza 2 sold over 4 million copies.  It has sold ahead for Forza 1.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 02, 2008, 08:32:21 AM
Quote
The PS3 has completely redeemed itself with Wipeout HD, still waiting on something of the Rallisport caliber on the 360

so the PS3 just needed a HD version of a PSP game to be redeemed whilst the X360 has to top the best racing game ever made?

Even odds are even!

PSP port, feh. It's a Wipeout game on the PS3, and looking very much the part of a next gen racing game due to its polish and inherent stylistic beauty. It's unique, and it's the good of Playstation for a change. The fact that it's a PSP game probably says more about the shittiness of other racing game developers than it does about the console it's blessing with its presence.

As for RSC, its absence and the lack of BC support for RSC2 really stands as an example of all the things wrong with the Xbox brand this generation. Instead of pushing something genuinely exciting, they have decided to go with the sterile, competently engineered but ultimately drab, B-grade shit of PGR and Forza.

And Sony went from releasing (or having third parties release) a dozen shit hot games each year to churning out who-cares titles like Resistance, Uncharted, Motorstorm like a B-grade XBOX. Assuming you give them the benefit of the doubt on stuff like Lair. Give me some titles from unique genres (Valkyria is a good start) or HD sequels to shit that used to be awesome.

You're turning back into a yawner.


ugh I am horrible at noticing what page I'm reading. But still, how the hell could anyone argue that the XBOX game ethos has fallen further than the PlayStation? XBOX had like 10 good games on it in its lifetime if it's lucky, PS2 was fucking amazing.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: cool breeze on December 02, 2008, 08:33:39 AM
really? I was always under the impression that it didn't sell that much.

I still think that Forza 1 had a bigger impact because it came out at a time when Gran Turismo was the only real console driving sim (not really a sim, but whatever) and it both looked and played better than it.  I like both series, but I don't know who would really think that GT has better driving than Forza.  Well, I guess that could be subjective since it depends if you want something closer to real driving or the weird driving style GT formed.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Grecco on December 02, 2008, 09:00:35 AM
Duckman working overtime. Funny stuff

Anyways i bought an arcade unit this last week as did two coworkers. Doesnt suprise me that Microsoft is doing well now. The 200 dollar Arcade is simply an attractive option.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 02, 2008, 09:01:33 AM
People love GT because it's pokemon with cars.

Not even kidding, kids buy GT, and it's not because it's a driving sim.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: y2kev on December 02, 2008, 09:13:52 AM
Motorstorm's problem is that it's a racing game. Outside of NFS and MC, arcade racing games are dying. Additional problem: It's on PS3.

Remember when every N64 game was an arcade racer? SF Rush zomg
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: tiesto on December 02, 2008, 09:14:18 AM
Is it just me or does it seem like this gen everything is hyperbole?

I think my favorite time to be a gamer is after the dust settles. This past summer I had so much fun filling out my collection on PS2 because you could find the games cheap and you could talk to people about games and gaming rationally and cooly. I am curious to see how gamers reflect on the 360 and the PS3, but I have somewhat of a hunch it isn't going to be as positive as I sort of feel about it now.

I'm not sure if that's the trend for everything-- ninthings have managed to hold on to memories of the SNES, for example, and the PS2 still enjoys a sort of honeymoon period even in year 9-- but I just don't see our memories being kind. :\

I still love the SNES/Genesis stuff, though the biggest complaint is that most of the games feel too short.

I like SNES/Genesis waaaaaaaaaaaay more than the newer systems.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Grecco on December 02, 2008, 09:17:07 AM
Motorstorm's problem is that it's a racing game. Outside of NFS and MC, arcade racing games are dying. Additional problem: It's on PS3.

Remember when every N64 game was an arcade racer? SF Rush zomg

BURNOUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT !

I mean Midnight Club? ahead of Burnout? For Shame
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: y2kev on December 02, 2008, 09:30:21 AM
Given the investment in Burnout, what did it end up selling? I remember something in my head like 1.3 million or something. I don't think it was an incredible success and definitely not at first.

I remember Beetle Adventure Racing!
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Grecco on December 02, 2008, 09:51:42 AM
I put sooo many quarters into Cruisin USA and Cruisin World back in the day.  :lol
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: cool breeze on December 02, 2008, 09:53:22 AM
check out the GTi+ whatever it's called demo on euro PSN.  I thought it was a pretty fun arcade racer and would pick it up if cheap enough.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: tiesto on December 02, 2008, 10:03:30 AM
:bow Crusin' World :bow2

Awesome game, I would always change the radio station to "Euro House" when we played.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Bocsius on December 02, 2008, 10:06:12 AM
Dumb admission:

The second game I bought for N64 was Cruisin' USA because the girlfriend and I liked playing it at the bowling alley or wherever. When I got the game home and couldn't immediately go to my favorite course because it was grayed out, I assumed the game was broken and took it back to the store. I wasn't familiar with the concept of having to unlock things, you see.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 02, 2008, 10:52:27 AM
Is it just me or does it seem like this gen everything is hyperbole?

I think my favorite time to be a gamer is after the dust settles. This past summer I had so much fun filling out my collection on PS2 because you could find the games cheap and you could talk to people about games and gaming rationally and cooly. I am curious to see how gamers reflect on the 360 and the PS3, but I have somewhat of a hunch it isn't going to be as positive as I sort of feel about it now.

I'm not sure if that's the trend for everything-- ninthings have managed to hold on to memories of the SNES, for example, and the PS2 still enjoys a sort of honeymoon period even in year 9-- but I am not sure the same will be said for these five or six years.

I know this is being somewhat myopic...

Probably because you read too many internet gaming boards.

I have noticed it too.  Every big release is now a Game of the Forever, complete with 5,000 post threads, creaming over a mediocre looking bullshot.  This might be a jab at GAF but they're not the only ones doing this.  A lot of it has to do with fanboy wars and scarcity.  I remember when DS fanboys were hyping up Hotel Dusk like it was a brilliant classic.  Most people bought it and talked about how fucking amazing it is.  A year or more later and it's largely forgotten and in fact, some people even regretted buying the game.  Still, if you go back and look at those release and pre-release threads, you'd think it was a 10, as opposed to the 4 or 5 that it really was.  Now that the DS is flooded with games better than Hotel Dusk, a lot of them have calmed down.

That was just one example.  This gen has a lot of disposable shit being packaged as premium.  People now have finally accepted yearly sequels, after harsh resistance two gens ago, and some resistance last generation.  Now people eagerly wait for yearly installments of Call of Duty, Rock Band, and Tom Clancy games.  I think that a lot of these games are hollow and soulless, meant just to cash in on their popularity.  As long as online multiplayer seems to work fine, the game itself can be a POS as long as it is fun online.  As a result, you see a lot of shit that people play a ton of and after the first month, nobody plays it.

It is why I'm kind of glad I just got a 360 now.  I'm trailing this gen by 2-3 years but at least I can tell what games were really worth buying or if it was a disposable monthly Game of the Forever.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 02, 2008, 12:12:15 PM
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Instead of pushing something genuinely exciting, they have decided to go with the sterile, competently engineered but ultimately drab, B-grade shit of PGR and Forza.


honest now,
did you play either?


Enough to know that they are boring as shit. Forza is understandably drab; it's a "sim," and "sims" all suck balls since developers/publishers just do not seem to understand the worthlessness of transferring a "racing experience" without doing something to compensate for all that is lost in transition (not to worry, I have plenty of dislike for GT too). PGR exists in some shitpit between arcade and "sim," without ever reaching the highlights of either. I bet Hitler would have been a big fan of PGR.

But that would have been fine, had Microsoft offered some alternative. You know, like RSC.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: hyp on December 02, 2008, 12:13:55 PM
home will save sony.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
home
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Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: ManaByte on December 02, 2008, 12:15:48 PM
All the Black Friday deals were much better in favor of Xbox 360 than PS3. NO ONE had good PS3 hardware deals.

Wal-Mart had a Xbox 360 Pro + the two pack-in games + Guitar Hero III w/ Guitar for $199. Who the fuck is going to buy a $400 PS3 with The Happening over that?
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: hyp on December 02, 2008, 12:17:59 PM
blame it on obama.  GO USA GO MICROSOFT GO XBOXX

:usacry
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 02, 2008, 12:20:35 PM
wait for home
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 02, 2008, 12:24:04 PM
But still, how the hell could anyone argue that the XBOX game ethos has fallen further than the PlayStation? XBOX had like 10 good games on it in its lifetime if it's lucky, PS2 was fucking amazing.

PS2 was a shit console with three good game series on it. Xbox was an all-in wunderbox. With RSC on it.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 02, 2008, 12:30:51 PM
I don't care about sales that much, and this is anecdotal evidence to be sure, but none of my friends were interested in the 360 until it dropped to $199 and they found out you could pick up 20 gig HDDs for $30.  I guess the modular console approach was a smart one.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 02, 2008, 12:34:35 PM
I don't care about sales that much, and this is anecdotal evidence to be sure, but none of my friends were interested in the 360 until it dropped to $199 and they found out you could pick up 20 gig HDDs for $30.  I guess the modular console approach was a smart one.

Totally. It's still a disappointment for those of us who absolutely fell in love with the all-in-one and more is more strategy of the Xbox. Unfortunately, I think that strategy was basically a failed one, and the PS3 would support that.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 02, 2008, 12:37:07 PM
i bet every console maker puts a standard HDD in their next systems
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 02, 2008, 12:39:09 PM
I don't know anything about possible drawbacks of the format, but would it make sense if they used static memory instead? Considering the capacity of common memory cards, it'd seem like a smart way to go.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 02, 2008, 12:44:50 PM
Look you cigarillo, just get a media center PC, seriously.

Talk about not having any redeeming values left in your posts, now your spin is that the hardware is what matters most? What in the blue fuck are you doing with a console then?

Goddamn.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 02, 2008, 12:49:51 PM
next gen will see key codes for retail game installs which will lock them into your console (ala PC games), full game downloads becoming the standard rather than the exception, and nintendo disappointing gamers on multiple levels
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 02, 2008, 01:21:49 PM
I wouldn't mind the network-centric approach if I had more confidence in ISPs. As long as not everything is tied into a network, to the point where playing any game requires an active connection to the mothership.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Tieno on December 02, 2008, 01:30:38 PM
Some people just can't understand Sony's strategy atm.
Whatever it is, it involves too much waiting.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: drohne on December 02, 2008, 01:51:45 PM
with a disc in i think my new 360 is even louder than my old 360 :rofl

good thing i'll have no reason to play it next year

sega superstars tennis is kind of neat btw -- it's a depressing reminder of how cool sega used to be, and mascot crossover games are shameful, but it's good fun. might keep it
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 02, 2008, 01:52:37 PM
you might as well, you can only get about $6 on ebay for it
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: cool breeze on December 02, 2008, 01:53:55 PM
Some people just can't understand Sony's strategy atm.
Whatever it is, it involves too much waiting.

Year 2 of 10, baby.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Purple Filth on December 02, 2008, 02:26:48 PM
Some people just can't understand Sony's strategy atm.
Whatever it is, it involves too much waiting.

Year 2 of 10, baby.

Indeed  :lol
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: dammitmattt on December 02, 2008, 03:57:35 PM
I'm surprised it's this close since the anecdotal evidence seems to suggest an even bigger gap.  I wonder how much more 360s Microsoft could be selling right now if they had made enough Arcade packs?
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2008, 04:10:04 PM
Smooth Groove's absence makes me  :'(
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Rman on December 02, 2008, 05:07:43 PM
Smooth Groove's absence makes me  :'(
Probably busy with med school stuff.  It is that time of year.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: ManaByte on December 02, 2008, 05:13:37 PM
Casuals have moved away from the Wii.

They want Guitar Hero now.

They can get a 360+Guitar Hero w/ Guitar for the price of a Wii+Game.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 02, 2008, 05:16:16 PM
I hope it also sells 3-1 for the month. At least.

Fuck the Ps3, we don't need 3 systems.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Grecco on December 02, 2008, 06:09:04 PM
with a disc in i think my new 360 is even louder than my old 360 :rofl

good thing i'll have no reason to play it next year

sega superstars tennis is kind of neat btw -- it's a depressing reminder of how cool sega used to be, and mascot crossover games are shameful, but it's good fun. might keep it

SST Is pretty awesome. Controls like shit sometimes, and the super moves are a bitch. But god the Segafag in me smiles seing Alex Kidd playing tennis vs Nights in the Samba World
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 02, 2008, 06:17:24 PM
sometimes i wish it would only take me five seconds to see through a bad game

 :piss condemned 2 :piss2
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 02, 2008, 06:52:00 PM
PS2 was probably the best machine released.  It had the quality and quantity of titles.  Its a shame that this generation doesn't have a successor.  I suppose you could say 360 but there are some genres that aren't even close to be represented adequately.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: brawndolicious on December 02, 2008, 06:57:58 PM
It seems to me that the most well-made online games are made by third-parties.  They probably are more concerned with releasing a finished and functional game rather than just milking their cash cow to death.

There is nothing superior about PSN compared to XBL.  There are definitely less people talking but there's still the same ratio of assholes.  An asshole who's willing to talk to himself is more annoying.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 02, 2008, 06:59:36 PM
Who needs first parties when third parties have no problem making awesome games for your system? 1st parties are for when A.) no one believes in you B.) Shits hard to dev for C.) your a company of teh assholes and push stupid waggle crap
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 02, 2008, 07:20:32 PM
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PS2 was a shit console with three good game series on it. Xbox was an all-in wunderbox. With RSC on it.

:lol
:COLOURDOG Quit gaming, take up knitting.

i just get the feeling you play games for 5 seconds and decide on their worth - or not at all and just guess.
and i think saying "enough to know..." is a tacit nod to this fact.

How long did you play? Come on, this is self help, you can only get over these mood swings and outbursts if you take the first step.

Just to note, this ISN'T the first time i've seen people with this affliction - i used to do it a lot when i was young, and i've seen several people do the same thing.

EVILBORE : We are here to help.

Meh, I don't have time to spend on shit boring games. Racing sims and sim/arcade shitpit games, so fucking meh. Sims in particular just totally fail to provide any gaming value: they try to make them "realistic," and completely fuck everything up by assuming that there is no need to compensate for all that is lost when it's translated into video game form. That's why games like Burnout, Wipeout and most recently MotorStorm are such winners, and why sterile shit like Forza and GT suck so much shit.

As for not spending a lot of times on games in general, why should I? There is limited time and plenty of genuinely gripping games out there, why bother with the meh? Besides, there's very seldom any reward for giving meh games more time. I tried that with PGR 1-3, never again. I've played some of PGR4, enough to know that it's the same shit once more.

It seems to me that the most well-made online games are made by third-parties.

That really doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on December 02, 2008, 07:26:54 PM
:lol

Just noticed that duckman has me on ignore.  Awesome.  8)
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: demi on December 02, 2008, 07:30:47 PM
Dont worry, he will still read your posts :lol
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: brawndolicious on December 02, 2008, 07:34:52 PM
It seems to me that the most well-made online games are made by third-parties.
That really doesn't make any sense.
I posted a sentence after that explaining why that's so.  Don't know if you saw it.

My favorite online games seem to be sort of obscure (except for CoD which is getting milked pretty hard every single year).  I like games like Rainbow 6 and Grid which most people can't get too into for a long time.  I enjoy it when there's actual depth and a long, rewarding learning curve.  First-parties seem either add gimmicky crap to their sequels or they just copy whatever worked before.  I can't remember any first or second party sequel that actually surprised me (in a good way) when I played it other than Metroid Prime.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Cheebs on December 02, 2008, 07:36:39 PM
Casuals have moved away from the Wii.

They want Guitar Hero now.

They can get a 360+Guitar Hero w/ Guitar for the price of a Wii+Game.
Posted on: December 02, 2008, 10:07:43 PM Posted by: Rman

 :lol :lol :lol

What in the world are you on? Wii continues to sell shitloads of systems.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 02, 2008, 08:18:43 PM
sometimes i wish it would only take me five seconds to see through a bad game

 :piss condemned 2 :piss2

Condemned 2 was awesome.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 02, 2008, 08:28:03 PM
for the first fifteen or so minutes

then a bunch of awkward fps

then a bear chases you through a cabin

then you turn into banshee from the x-men

then  :piss condemned 2 :piss2
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 02, 2008, 08:31:51 PM
I wonder if all things being equal, if the PS3 didn't go with Blue-Ray would it have had made a difference anyways? I think this generation would have still played out the same way.

Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: brawndolicious on December 02, 2008, 08:34:22 PM
The higher cost because of Bluray and the 360 having a headstart are the reasons that PS3 isn't doing as well.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 02, 2008, 08:39:21 PM
Well, it should have at least released with a shit ton of good games if they wanted people to buy it for $600. Jesus fucking fartknock, I can't believe I bought that thing for Resistance. Or the 360 for PDZ/PGR3, but at least that was sub-$500.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: pilonv1 on December 02, 2008, 08:48:40 PM
with a disc in i think my new 360 is even louder than my old 360 :rofl

good thing i'll have no reason to play it next year

sega superstars tennis is kind of neat btw -- it's a depressing reminder of how cool sega used to be, and mascot crossover games are shameful, but it's good fun. might keep it

SST Is pretty awesome. Controls like shit sometimes, and the super moves are a bitch. But god the Segafag in me smiles seing Alex Kidd playing tennis vs Nights in the Samba World

Yeah Sega Tennis is definitely sega fanboy wet dreams come true. Ulala & Gum v. Samba & Nights? :drool

Only thing missing was Ryo and Lan Di playing a game at the docks with tractors driving around :hyper
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Kestastrophe on December 02, 2008, 08:51:47 PM
I wonder if all things being equal, if the PS3 didn't go with Blue-Ray would it have had made a difference anyways? I think this generation would have still played out the same way.


As a new HDTV owner, Blu-Ray only increases the PS3's appeal to me (seeing as the games aren't really doing it)
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 02, 2008, 08:54:18 PM
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I wonder if all things being equal, if the PS3 didn't go with Blue-Ray would it have had made a difference anyways? I think this generation would have still played out the same way.

The 360 had a very convincing launch.
PDZ and Kameo sucked people in (though most of realized we'd been had.) Condemned and CoD2 were also pretty awesome launch titles, then DoA4 a few weeks later.  add Geometry Wars, Hexic, Outpost Kaloki X, Mutant Storm, and Wik Fable of Souls to the roster of interesting XBLA games.  There were some fun retro titles as well--Joust, Smash TV, Gauntlet.  It was a pretty solid launch.

Not sure what is was like on gaf, but in the weeks leading up to the 360 launch, people on CAG were like "lol achievements, XBLA, who needs them?  Early launch?  360 = dreamcast lol."  Then launch day was a complete 180 :lol
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Bocsius on December 02, 2008, 08:58:47 PM
PS3 would have already blown 360 out of the water if it didn't have Blu-Ray, Cell, and was therefore competitively priced. Don't kid yourselves. How it fared versus Wii would be another matter.

But Sony had other priorities and sacrificed gaming (willingly or not) to achieve them. Anyway, that alternate reality is all in the land of make believe, so it really doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 02, 2008, 09:07:54 PM
PS3 would have already blown 360 out of the water if it didn't have Blu-Ray, Cell, and was therefore competitively priced. Don't kid yourselves. How it fared versus Wii would be another matter.

But Sony had other priorities and sacrificed gaming (willingly or not) to achieve them. Anyway, that alternate reality is all in the land of make believe, so it really doesn't matter.

speaking of which, blu-ray won, but have they done anything with the cell processor?  whatever happened to "your toothbrush will be powered by cell in the future"
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 02, 2008, 10:01:39 PM
THE

 :) :D ;) >:( :( :yuck :lol :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-X :-\ :-[ :-* :'( :maf :drool :wag :gun :santocry :tbslol


ENGINE
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2008, 10:04:40 PM
The ps3 being 600$ killed it.  Any other arguments are moot.

wait for 2009
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 02, 2008, 10:55:39 PM
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Meh, I don't have time to spend on shit boring games. Racing sims and sim/arcade shitpit games, so fucking meh.


Okay - so that's clear then. You don't like racing sims - i'm not sure then how you can even begin to comment on Forza being B-grade.

Quote
Sims in particular just totally fail to provide any gaming value: they try to make them "realistic," and completely fuck everything up by assuming that there is no need to compensate for all that is lost when it's translated into video game form.


you need to understand that they don't provide any gaming value -to you-.

Have I claimed to be a UN representative or something? Of course it's based on my opinion of it, who in the hell else would I be talking about? And to me, of course, the game types are by default B and as such do little to add any value to the console, hence they deserved t be mentioned. My bitterness stems from their being three games of largely the same drab type, and not a single game that is even almost like RSC. It's really not that fucking complicated.

you are absolutely more than welcome to not play every game or spend too much time, but you can surely see the trapdoor you stand on when you have a pronounced opinion on something you a) admit you don't like in the first place b) play for a limited time (or AT ALL) c) rate as a B-rate grade.

But I have played them. I've played PGR 1-3 quite a bit, and gave PGR half a shot despite knowing better. Played Forza 1, and Forza 2 is more of the same sort. I really don't understand why it is seemingly so remarkably difficult for you to get why actual playtime in hours with the latest iterations is completely irrelevant in the context of this argument.

Andrews, while you may hate racing sims, you need to understand that there are a fuckton of people out there who really like them.

Er, why is that? Is that somehow going to make the Xbox 360 seem like less of a relative disappointment to me? Which, you know, is sort of the point.

Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 02, 2008, 11:02:16 PM
The ps3 being 600$ killed it.  Any other arguments are moot.

wait for 2009

The line up is killer:
Killzone 2
Home (beta continued)
LBP content
Home

Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 02, 2008, 11:03:14 PM
Killzone 2, pffft. 2009 is the year of Sucker Punch.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Bocsius on December 02, 2008, 11:17:02 PM
The line up is killer:
Killzone 2
Home (beta continued)
LBP content
Home
Secret PS3 Game


Fixed.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on December 03, 2008, 12:02:24 AM
AA is like that insane hobo standing outside of the bus depot shouting about everything and nothing all at once but the only thing that's really clear is that he's fuck balls crazy.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: y2kev on December 03, 2008, 12:03:42 AM
AA is like that insane hobo standing outside of the bus depot shouting about everything and nothing all at once but the only thing that's really clear is that he's fuck balls crazy.
I saw a hobo with no shirt on doing karate kicks in the subway today  :lol
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on December 03, 2008, 12:05:46 AM
I was doing a ninjtsu demonstration.  I thought you'd like it. :(
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: cool breeze on December 03, 2008, 12:12:20 AM
there is some homeless guy that stands on the corner of this street with a fake iphone asking people how to get it to work.  he's been there for like, 8 months now and I still don't get what he's trying to accomplish
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 03, 2008, 12:19:16 AM
both your profiles say you haven't played Forza 2. Did you REALLY play it? hand on heart now, no skinch.

Do demos show up? I think that's what I played. Which, if you bothered with giving a shit about what the argument is even about as opposed to whatever dumb shit you desperate want (need) it to be about, is plenty enough. I don't like sims, and I dislike them even more when it's the only fucking option available. Well, that or some other tarmac racer, woohoo!

This is some strawman shit, and incredibly, it seems to all stem from your curious inability to grasp the very simple concept that the supposed excellence of the Xbox of this generation is worth somewhere between shit and nothing to me. Xbox was awesome, Xbox 360 is not.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2008, 12:20:13 AM
The line up is killer:
Killzone 2
Home (beta continued)
LBP content
Home
Secret PS3 Game, also available on Xbox 360


Fixed.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 03, 2008, 12:45:37 AM
The line up is killer:
Killzone 2
Home (beta continued)
LBP content
Home
Secret PS3 Game, also available on Xbox 360
Home 2 beta


Fixed.

Fixed.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 03, 2008, 12:54:10 AM
So wait, last-gen the PS2 was shit and the Xbox was awesome; this gen the PS3 is awesome and the Xbox 360 is shit? Is this crazyland or something?  :lol
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 03, 2008, 12:55:11 AM
home is so awful
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: y2kev on December 03, 2008, 01:00:09 AM
there is some homeless guy that stands on the corner of this street with a fake iphone asking people how to get it to work.  he's been there for like, 8 months now and I still don't get what he's trying to accomplish
when you stop to help him, he robs you
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 03, 2008, 01:19:12 AM
Quote
I saw a hobo with no shirt on doing karate kicks in the subway today

awesome, their sandwiches are terrible.


 :lol
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: cool breeze on December 03, 2008, 01:29:44 AM
there is some homeless guy that stands on the corner of this street with a fake iphone asking people how to get it to work.  he's been there for like, 8 months now and I still don't get what he's trying to accomplish
when you stop to help him, he robs you

I did try to help him the first time.  He handed me the phone, it was plastic with a picture as a screen, I looked at him and said "I don't know how to touch screen" before walking away.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: brawndolicious on December 03, 2008, 02:10:03 AM
Do demos show up? I think that's what I played. Which, if you bothered with giving a shit about what the argument is even about as opposed to whatever dumb shit you desperate want (need) it to be about, is plenty enough. I don't like sims, and I dislike them even more when it's the only fucking option available. Well, that or some other tarmac racer, woohoo!
This is some strawman shit, and incredibly, it seems to all stem from your curious inability to grasp the very simple concept that the supposed excellence of the Xbox of this generation is worth somewhere between shit and nothing to me. Xbox was awesome, Xbox 360 is not.
So literally about 5 games make or break a console for you?  The system probably makes the majority of different types of gamers happy as balls.

Most people with your opinion would say that the system is just not for them and not come into this thread and say that it's a failure and ONLY selling better because it's a budget system.  Maybe you enjoy talking about games more than playing them?
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 03, 2008, 02:48:05 AM
Quote
This is some strawman shit, and incredibly, it seems to all stem from your curious inability to grasp the very simple concept that the supposed excellence of the Xbox of this generation is worth somewhere between shit and nothing to me. Xbox was awesome, Xbox 360 is not.

:lol is this supposed to be deliberately funny or something?

You tell me. If I didn't know better, I'd think you were a fucking idiot. But since I do know better, I'll just assume that your apparent inability to follow a pretty straight forward argument has everything to do with you having your nose far too close to the fanboy stink. Attempting to force fit the argument to fit your preferred path, be it by way of making sure it's known that it's just my opinion (as if it would be something else) or by way of introducing irrelevant qualifiers ("have you really played it") seems more than a little bit suspect. But by all means, keep arguing until it fits.

And for the record, I don't think someone who quite obviously lets fanboy affairs taint at the very least his expressed views on games should be playing the compass of the wise here.

Most people with your opinion would say that the system is just not for them and not come into this thread and say that it's a failure and ONLY selling better because it's a budget system.  Maybe you enjoy talking about games more than playing them?

Good for them, I guess. I'm not really part of that group, though.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 03, 2008, 05:39:16 AM
Eloquent distinguished mentally-challenged fellow is back.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 03, 2008, 09:11:30 AM
Wtf are you people arguing about again? This place is turning into NEOEvilFAQ's.



People are just having fun. No one takes this kind of talk serious around here, i mean cmon, we are basically just spitting shit.  :P
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Cheebs on December 03, 2008, 09:42:39 AM
I really don't think price is the only reason the PS3 was a failure. If PS3 and 360 were roughly the same price (assuming PS3 had no blu-ray to get to that price) I still believe 360 would have beat it. It would have been a lot closer but lineup vs. lineup the 360 had more appealing software and was out first, it would still beat it, but not by as much as it is now.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Cheebs on December 03, 2008, 09:50:57 AM
I really don't think price is the only reason the PS3 was a failure. If PS3 and 360 were roughly the same price (assuming PS3 had no blu-ray to get to that price) I still believe 360 would have beat it. It would have been a lot closer but lineup vs. lineup the 360 had more appealing software and was out first, it would still beat it, but not by as much as it is now.


Don't think so. At least in Europe the 360 would have never gotten a foothold at the same price.
Well yeah, I was thinking more of just America really.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: dammitmattt on December 03, 2008, 09:52:29 AM
the 360 is selling well, but its a shitty console anyways.

Some people really, really need to learn to differentiate between the quality of the physical console and the quality of the experience.  The fact that the 360 is an unreliable piece of shit should not impact the quality of the gaming, social, and now multimedia experiences that the console has to offer.  I've been through three systems and my fourth has a defective disc tray that I have to bang on to get it to stay closed, yet it's still by far my most used gaming system because it gives me the best overall gaming experience, I have the most friends on XBL, and I like achievements.

What's even more batshit insane is this concept that the Xbox was somehow superior to the Xbox 360.  The Xbox was primarily known for its shooters and RPGs (both of which are well-represented on the 360) and a small handful of niche hardcore Japanese games (which is something that has fallen off this gen on all three systems).  Yes, it does kind of suck that we don't have new versions of some of the better exclusives like Rallisport, Jet Set Radio, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Crimson Skies, etc., but the current 360 lineup with all the missing third parties putting their best foot forward in addition to the awesome XBLA stuff is far, far superior to the Xbox.  Put another way, the Xbox platform morphed from the Halo box (plus a few random great games) to the standard platform for all games.  That's a pretty significant jump and people who fail to realize this are probably the same people who stop liking a band solely because more than five people know about the band, regardless of the quality of their music.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: dammitmattt on December 03, 2008, 10:06:36 AM
REAL TALK: The quality of my 360 gaming was always impacted by

1) Jet engine that roared harder then my tv making games like Condemned only playable with headphones
2) It stopping working so I had no gameplay experience at all

Shitty hardware can reduce the joy of playing a game.

1) It was never actually an issue for me across the three different serial numbers I had, but either way it's now eliminated
2) Get that shit fixed...they have a warranty for a reason!

A good analogy for me is Apple products.  Everything Apple that I've ever had ends up crapping out within a year or two (usually battery-related, but other issues also arise), but it doesn't make me enjoy my iPhone any less, but somehow Apple only gets a fraction of the backlash that Microsoft gets for their product quality issues.

I'd understand it if it was something that you were relying on like a car, but it's a damn video game console.  I don't want it to break, but it's not the end of the world when it does.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: dammitmattt on December 03, 2008, 10:31:01 AM
Fucking MS apologist.

The Jet Engine ruins MY experience, as does a console that breaks. It's the reason I bougth a PS3 in fact. No fanboy bullshit, legit reason here.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
And look how that worked out for me   :lol :lol
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I'm not an apologist.  I'm just a positive person and I focus more on the 98% positive experience that the 360 has given me instead of the 2% negative experience.  I'd be an apologist if I made excuses for the manufacturing defects, which I never had.  I was actually a lot more negative before the warranty extension and repair refunds, both of which benefited me.  However, don't imply that you're shit out of luck once the console breaks, because that's typically not the case.

Regardless, I still believe that the gaming experience should be firmly separated from the quality of the console when discussing the quality of the gaming experience.  The fact that my launch PS3 has never had a single issue doesn't have any bearing on my feelings that PSN is still a shitty online service.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: y2kev on December 03, 2008, 10:34:48 AM
you shoot shit, you don't spit shit  :lol
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 03, 2008, 11:29:53 AM
All I see when people cheer PS3 right now is daffy duck in a straight jacket. I own a ps3, I bought the best exclusive it has (Valkyria Chronicles) Some of you bitches didnt even do that, which makes me wonder exactly why you own a PS3.

Its fair to say "Bluray"
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 03, 2008, 11:33:55 AM
i don't like jrpgs  :(

i bought far cry 2 for it the other day for $26

now i own 4 ps3 games

although two of my rl friends are online with their ps3s now, so i suppose i'll have to buy some of the multiplatform games on it in the future

"blu ray"
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Cheebs on December 03, 2008, 11:35:45 AM
I got my PS3 for Home!

Can't fucking wait!
Home? lol
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 03, 2008, 11:36:24 AM
PS3 isn't worth it at $400.

$200, yeah.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 03, 2008, 11:36:54 AM
Home blows, ive tried it
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 03, 2008, 11:38:20 AM
PS3 isn't worth $400.

it really isn't, i paid $499 for my 60 gig which i don't even really play any PS2 games on

i'd say it's worth $299, though, for sure
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: y2kev on December 03, 2008, 11:38:45 AM
I bought FC2 for 26 too!
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 03, 2008, 11:41:55 AM
how can you go wrong with a game released less than two months ago for $26?

(although i may take that back after i play sonic)
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: ananus on December 03, 2008, 11:45:17 AM
lol at someone defending the ps3 and then calling the ps2 shit. i thought the nintendo fans were weird, but at least they are consistently distinguished mentally-challenged. this one doesn't even make sense.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: T234 on December 03, 2008, 11:47:25 AM
good god sales-age has invaded evilbore


I THOUGHT DEMI WAS SUPPOSED TO FIX THIS KIND OF THING


MR. FROST, BUILD UP THIS WALL


MR. PEGG, STAND AROUND AND LOOK PRETTY AND HOLLER FUCK ALOT
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: y2kev on December 03, 2008, 11:49:02 AM
Its 26$???? Where?
It was 25.95 on Amazon on Saturday.

I really think the game massively overshipped. I've seen great deals on FC2 for weeks now, starting at 42 bucks on Newegg and dropping all the way to 25.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 03, 2008, 11:49:53 AM
lol at someone defending the ps3 and then calling the ps2 shit. i mean, at least the nintendo fans are consistently distinguished mentally-challenged. this one doesn't even make sense.

It was a shitty shit system of the less is less format with 3 great game series. Hell, it didn't even have a good Wipeout game.

:piss PS2  :piss2
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Bocsius on December 03, 2008, 11:53:16 AM
No video game playing device is worth $400.

Or $300.

Or $250.

Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 03, 2008, 11:54:34 AM
you shoot shit, you don't spit shit  :lol

I don't even understand you anymore.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: T234 on December 03, 2008, 11:55:58 AM
No video game playing device is worth $400.

Or $300.

Or $250.




A modded PSP IS worth 250 easy, assuming you have a big-ass MS Pro Duo and a penchant for USENET, PS1-era FF, and Thrasher: Skate and Destroy (The greatest soundtrack ever put in a videogame).
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: y2kev on December 03, 2008, 11:57:28 AM
you shoot shit, you don't spit shit  :lol

I don't even understand you anymore.
The expression! It's shoot the shit! If you're spitting shit, I'd ask you to take the poo out of your mouth!
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 03, 2008, 11:58:01 AM
No video game playing device is worth $400.

Or $300.

Or $250.




A modded PSP IS worth 250 easy, assuming you have a big-ass MS Pro Duo and a penchant for USENET.

fuck, this reminds me.  I just sold mine and forgot to back up the saves. fuck fuck fuck.  good bye FF7 and Vagrant Story saves.

Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 03, 2008, 12:00:06 PM
lol at someone defending the ps3 and then calling the ps2 shit. i mean, at least the nintendo fans are consistently distinguished mentally-challenged. this one doesn't even make sense.

It was a shitty shit system of the less is less format with 3 great game series. Hell, it didn't even have a good Wipeout game.

:piss PS2  :piss2


haha what, I have like 50 great games for ps2
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 03, 2008, 12:04:09 PM
you shoot shit, you don't spit shit  :lol

I don't even understand you anymore.
The expression! It's shoot the shit! If you're spitting shit, I'd ask you to take the poo out of your mouth!


Spitting shit also exists.

And if i say "spitting hot fire" are you going to tell me to drink a glass of water? And shoot the shit, what are you shooting shit in the middle of the street? Like you take a gun out on a date and just go unleash some rounds on a pile of dog doodoo, randomly?

Pass me some of that weed.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: T234 on December 03, 2008, 12:08:27 PM
The only thing stopping me from reporting every post in this thread is the wrath of DEMI "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT IN MY INBOX, IMMA TORCH THE FORUM".
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 03, 2008, 12:10:05 PM
I reported you're Ass taiwan.

Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 03, 2008, 12:40:19 PM
Its 26$???? Where?
It was 25.95 on Amazon on Saturday.

I really think the game massively overshipped. I've seen great deals on FC2 for weeks now, starting at 42 bucks on Newegg and dropping all the way to 25.

Damn, i would have picked it up. I've been meaning to play it.

Some low framerate and no v-sync-having bastard console version with shitty shadows and aggressive pop-in, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 03, 2008, 12:43:27 PM
yes, but $26

i wonder if anyone is playing online at all, what with the 756 other multiplayer games out there this season

also, does pop-in and v-sync and shit like that really bother you guys, because i hardly ever notice stuff like that
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Tieno on December 03, 2008, 12:45:49 PM
Its 26$???? Where?
It was 25.95 on Amazon on Saturday.

I really think the game massively overshipped. I've seen great deals on FC2 for weeks now, starting at 42 bucks on Newegg and dropping all the way to 25.

Damn, i would have picked it up. I've been meaning to play it.

Some low framerate and no v-sync-having bastard console version with shitty shadows and aggressive pop-in, I'm sure.
You're writing like that's a bad thing!
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 03, 2008, 12:46:26 PM
salesbore is amazing. we should do this more often guys  :-*

eel-- pop in doesn't bother me, vsync tearing is not always bad, but when it is, it's really annoying.  some games tear horribly, other games have hardly any tearing even with vsync off. 
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: cool breeze on December 03, 2008, 12:49:14 PM
yes, but $26

i wonder if anyone is playing online at all, what with the 756 other multiplayer games out there this season

also, does pop-in and v-sync and shit like that really bother you guys, because i hardly ever notice stuff like that

that stuff does bother me but not as much as aliasing or slowdown

Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 03, 2008, 12:50:59 PM
Its 26$???? Where?
It was 25.95 on Amazon on Saturday.

I really think the game massively overshipped. I've seen great deals on FC2 for weeks now, starting at 42 bucks on Newegg and dropping all the way to 25.

Damn, i would have picked it up. I've been meaning to play it.

Some low framerate and no v-sync-having bastard console version with shitty shadows and aggressive pop-in, I'm sure.

No, i wanted to get the 360 version.

So, a version that struggles to keep a steady 30fps, has shitty shadows, v-sync issues and aggressive pop-in then. I guess it could be worse, you could go for the one with slightly better shadows but that struggles to keep a steady 25fps.

:piss Consoles  :piss2 :
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 03, 2008, 12:55:18 PM
that's funny, when i play games i am usually thinking "wow, this is a fun game" or "wow, this game isn't fun" and not "wow, look at the jaggy leaves on those trees and the v-sync and frame rate and my fun is just RUINED *flaps hands*"
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 03, 2008, 12:56:27 PM
ducky's just pissed he paid the full $50 on steam

ah, sweet amazon, with your gentle discounted caress...
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 03, 2008, 12:57:44 PM
that's funny, when i play games i am usually thinking "wow, this is a fun game" or "wow, this game isn't fun" and not "wow, look at the jaggy leaves on those trees and the v-sync and frame rate and my fun is just RUINED *flaps hands*"

It's even better when you can think "wow this is a fun game, and what a wonderful image quality!"
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 03, 2008, 12:58:26 PM
What PC do you have Duckman?
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 03, 2008, 01:00:09 PM
pretty sure it's still fun, and has $26 worth of image quality
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 03, 2008, 01:01:57 PM
i do wish i'd bought COD on PC, where there's no pressure to talk and no one singing or snotbreathing in my ear
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 03, 2008, 01:03:07 PM
ducky's just pissed he paid the full $50 on steam

$50? Pffft.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
$49.99  :punch
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Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 03, 2008, 01:06:03 PM
yes, but $26

i wonder if anyone is playing online at all, what with the 756 other multiplayer games out there this season

also, does pop-in and v-sync and shit like that really bother you guys, because i hardly ever notice stuff like that

i have not noticed any real pop-in or vsync issues with the 360 version, and the shadow thing is only evident on closeups

it's a gorgeous, gorgeous game
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 03, 2008, 01:10:34 PM
i got my sonic unleashed today (thinking about selling it unopened, I can score around $15 profit off ebay right now, and i can always just gamefly it), so i'm hoping i'll get far cry 2 tomorrow  :hyper
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: cool breeze on December 03, 2008, 01:14:25 PM
that's funny, when i play games i am usually thinking "wow, this is a fun game" or "wow, this game isn't fun" and not "wow, look at the jaggy leaves on those trees and the v-sync and frame rate and my fun is just RUINED *flaps hands*"

obviously fun comes first, but graphics to enhance the experience.  I'm not crazy about it to the point where I will look at ground textures and compare them.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 03, 2008, 01:17:53 PM
after years of heavy gaming, I can't help but notice technical stuff.  Out of everything, only a really bad framerate will hinder my experience, since it's the only thing that has an impact on gameplay.  Horrible aliasing and tearing can be a turnoff though. 
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 03, 2008, 01:18:59 PM
man, ebay charges some outrageous fees nowadays, even before they double dip you on the paypal fees

fuck it, i'm keeping sonic, i can get more in trade at gamestop

ebay is slowly fucking themselves right out of business
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 03, 2008, 01:32:48 PM
man, ebay charges some outrageous fees nowadays, even before they double dip you on the paypal fees

fuck it, i'm keeping sonic, i can get more in trade at gamestop

ebay is slowly fucking themselves right out of business

amazon dude.

though I think they charge pretty close to the same amount for sales, you can sell things at a higher price.  and it's not all confusing with listing fees, paypal fees, sales fees, etc.-  they charge you a flat rate, credit you $3.99 for shipping, but tell you exactly how much will go to your account if the item sells. so then you just have to ship it.   
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: demi on December 03, 2008, 01:49:35 PM
For some reason I STILL don't have my PayPal payment cleared from an auction. They still won't let me take it.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: dammitmattt on December 03, 2008, 02:31:12 PM
lol at someone defending the ps3 and then calling the ps2 shit. i mean, at least the nintendo fans are consistently distinguished mentally-challenged. this one doesn't even make sense.

It was a shitty shit system of the less is less format with 3 great game series. Hell, it didn't even have a good Wipeout game.

:piss PS2  :piss2


I definitely need a full thread from you detailing this PS2/360 suck Xbox/PS3 rule.  Specifically regarding the PS2, I only know one person that didn't really care for the system, mainly because he only plays shooters and has gigantic monkey hands (he LOVED the Duke).

Are you one of those guys who can only like one particular thing within a genre at a time to the exclusion of all else?  Or do you latch onto one or two games so much that they define a console for you?  I'm very curious.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: y2kev on December 03, 2008, 02:40:53 PM
WrikaWrek, we have people who literally spit on fire! No one spits shit! Except you! Shiteater! Shit-eating grin!
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 03, 2008, 02:47:00 PM
lol at someone defending the ps3 and then calling the ps2 shit. i mean, at least the nintendo fans are consistently distinguished mentally-challenged. this one doesn't even make sense.

It was a shitty shit system of the less is less format with 3 great game series. Hell, it didn't even have a good Wipeout game.

:piss PS2  :piss2


I definitely need a full thread from you detailing this PS2/360 suck Xbox/PS3 rule.  Specifically regarding the PS2, I only know one person that didn't really care for the system, mainly because he only plays shooters and has gigantic monkey hands (he LOVED the Duke).

Are you one of those guys who can only like one particular thing within a genre at a time to the exclusion of all else?  Or do you latch onto one or two games so much that they define a console for you?  I'm very curious.

Considering that it's already been explained in detail a few times already, I doubt another try will make any difference, but hey. I disliked the PS2. It was a rickety nickel and dime system, and it had few game series worth playing. Am I supposed to claim that it was somehow a wonder-kiosk of gaming because it offered so many flavors, even if I personally disliked nearly every one of those flavors?
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: patrickula on December 03, 2008, 02:48:45 PM
I can tell you why I hate the PS2:
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(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/patrickula/9999truth.jpg)
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:'(
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: dammitmattt on December 03, 2008, 03:23:54 PM
Considering that it's already been explained in detail a few times already, I doubt another try will make any difference, but hey. I disliked the PS2. It was a rickety nickel and dime system, and it had few game series worth playing. Am I supposed to claim that it was somehow a wonder-kiosk of gaming because it offered so many flavors, even if I personally disliked nearly every one of those flavors?

It had such a vast library across so many different genres that saying "I didn't like the PS2" is kind of like saying "I don't like video games."  The only two things I can think of that it didn't have were a truly great shooter and a great western RPG.

What makes it even more baffling is that in the same sentence, you have all kinds of praise for the PS3.  It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but then again, I'm from Alabama, so I'm a little bit slow.

But something tells me there's not a lot of rationality that goes into it...
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: patrickula on December 03, 2008, 04:11:06 PM
I don't have much good to say about the PS2 system itself aside from that it plays DVDs (sounds familiar!).
But the library is damn good!
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Bocsius on December 03, 2008, 04:12:34 PM
I for one did not enjoy all that many PS2 games. Exclusives, there were like 5. And three were Final Fantasy. With multiplatform stuff I got for PS2, we're up to 9. The rest... bunch of skippable crap, if you ask me.

Of course, there weren't too many Xbox and GameCube games I liked, either. Less than PS2 for GameCube, more than PS2 for Xbox. But whatever. Then again, there are only 5 current gen games I'd care to play, too.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: dammitmattt on December 03, 2008, 05:05:28 PM
I for one did not enjoy all that many PS2 games. Exclusives, there were like 5. And three were Final Fantasy. With multiplatform stuff I got for PS2, we're up to 9. The rest... bunch of skippable crap, if you ask me.

Of course, there weren't too many Xbox and GameCube games I liked, either. Less than PS2 for GameCube, more than PS2 for Xbox. But whatever. Then again, there are only 5 current gen games I'd care to play, too.

You liked FFX-2 but not any of the other good-to-great JRPGs on the PS2?!?

In addition to all of the Japanese RPGs, you couldn't find anything you liked in these series: God of War, Gran Turismo, Ico/Shadow, Sly Cooper, Jak, Ratchet & Clank, GTA/Bully,  Metal Gear Solid, Tony Hawk, Guitar Hero, Hot Shots Golf, etc?

You're a damn picky man!
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 03, 2008, 05:37:15 PM
Considering that it's already been explained in detail a few times already, I doubt another try will make any difference, but hey. I disliked the PS2. It was a rickety nickel and dime system, and it had few game series worth playing. Am I supposed to claim that it was somehow a wonder-kiosk of gaming because it offered so many flavors, even if I personally disliked nearly every one of those flavors?

It had such a vast library across so many different genres that saying "I didn't like the PS2" is kind of like saying "I don't like video games."  The only two things I can think of that it didn't have were a truly great shooter and a great western RPG.

What makes it even more baffling is that in the same sentence, you have all kinds of praise for the PS3.  It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but then again, I'm from Alabama, so I'm a little bit slow.

But something tells me there's not a lot of rationality that goes into it...

I'm really not sure if there's anything more reasonable than to judge the quality of a system based on your own likes and dislikes, yet somehow that seems to be damned near incomprehensible to some of you. I have about as much interest in the "vast library" of the PS2 as I would in a "vast library" of books about gnats.

The PS3 is by no means a great "experience," and if I had some sense I would have absolutely waited until probably around now before purchasing one. But it seems set to be a massive improvement on the PS2. It has earned some gold stars for being a more is more system, and Sony has gone some way in filling the void left in the wake of games like Crimson Skies and Rallisport. I also really enjoy the fact that there is a perfectly functional online system that requires no credit cards or codes to keep active, and that Sony itself seems pretty dedicated to providing strong feature-sets in its online games. And now the system has Wipeout HD, so that voids whatever strengths the PS2 might have had.

I absolutely understand why some would prefer the PS2 last generation, and the 360 now, but I don't. Oh happy day and glory be, Microsoft has made great strides with getting JRPGs on the system! Great news... if you like that type of stuff. I'd trade all of them for three courses of Rallisport style racing.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 03, 2008, 06:09:00 PM
I'm the opposite.  PS2 is like herpes...I've had a bunch of games that I've considered my possible "final PS2 game" but new ones are trickling out.  Next up: Persona 4.  I also keep finding old games to revisit or ones I've looked over.

I've played through a lot of games on it, though when I had an Xbox 1, I bought my multiplatform stuff on that instead.   

edit: also, overall, NG+hurricane packs, NGBlack, Halo 2, DOA 3 and Ultimate, KOTOR, CvS2 online, and SF:Anniversary online were my favorite last gen games, so I think I got more enjoyment out of my Xbox than PS2.  But PS2 is winning the long distance sprint (since these favorite games play on the 360/PC.)
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 03, 2008, 06:14:41 PM
Duckman strikes me as likely to be as much to hang out with as a gay, drunk pedophile uncle.  Or a sega fan, whichever.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Trent Dole on December 03, 2008, 06:31:09 PM
Fuck. This. Thread.
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Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 03, 2008, 06:58:05 PM
Whatever, i spit shit. Your loss that you don't.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: drohne on December 03, 2008, 07:11:11 PM
never mind
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 03, 2008, 07:30:27 PM

I'm really not sure if there's anything more reasonable than to judge the quality of a system based on your own likes and dislikes, yet somehow that seems to be damned near incomprehensible to some of you.


Like you, whenever someone says they don't care about 360 breaking down or about the state of the dashboard or about XBox Live fees or the sound the console makes or whatever else?


And for the record, I don't care if someone prefers or enjoys PS3. I just find it annoying that they always have to switch from one 6-month-away game to the next over and over again instead of just sitting down and enjoying something like Valkyria Chronicles - it seems they pick their favorite upcoming games based more on how marketable they are than how much fun will be had.

And honestly I can't understand why someone who is into games enough to post on message boards about them would choose to get a PS3 over a 360, unless for Blu Ray. There's not much on PS3 that isn't represented on 360, often in greater numbers.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: drew on December 03, 2008, 07:51:02 PM
i just read the subject for the 1st time

haw haw haw ahw haw haw haw haw
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 03, 2008, 07:56:42 PM
Sony fanthings are quite possibly more annoying this gen than Nintendo fanthings were last gen.  At least ninthings could fall back on OMG PROFITS!, whereas the sdf can just keep saying "Wait until [insert next PS3 exclusive] hits!  Then things will turn around!"

Of course, the real tragedy in all of this is that the DS is outselling both combined.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 03, 2008, 07:57:45 PM
Wait for Metroid Prime!  See, gamers all loved Metroid on the SNES!  That means gamers are coming back!  Nintendo's back baby!

Oh and let us not forget Megaton.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: dammitmattt on December 03, 2008, 08:01:48 PM
I'm really not sure if there's anything more reasonable than to judge the quality of a system based on your own likes and dislikes, yet somehow that seems to be damned near incomprehensible to some of you. I have about as much interest in the "vast library" of the PS2 as I would in a "vast library" of books about gnats.

The PS3 is by no means a great "experience," and if I had some sense I would have absolutely waited until probably around now before purchasing one. But it seems set to be a massive improvement on the PS2. It has earned some gold stars for being a more is more system, and Sony has gone some way in filling the void left in the wake of games like Crimson Skies and Rallisport. I also really enjoy the fact that there is a perfectly functional online system that requires no credit cards or codes to keep active, and that Sony itself seems pretty dedicated to providing strong feature-sets in its online games. And now the system has Wipeout HD, so that voids whatever strengths the PS2 might have had.

I absolutely understand why some would prefer the PS2 last generation, and the 360 now, but I don't. Oh happy day and glory be, Microsoft has made great strides with getting JRPGs on the system! Great news... if you like that type of stuff. I'd trade all of them for three courses of Rallisport style racing.

I get it.  You have an unhealthy relationship with Rallisport and Wipeout HD.

oh, and Wipeout XL >>> Wipeout HD

Wipeout HD is too fucking hard for its own good.  And I've played every single previous Wipeout game.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 03, 2008, 08:03:05 PM
They patched it to make Novice difficulty tone down the time trial and speed lap events.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: y2kev on December 03, 2008, 08:10:51 PM
Valkyria Chronicles is one of the best games I've played this gen...it's so fun and cute <3

and it has a flying pig
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: dammitmattt on December 03, 2008, 08:29:21 PM
They patched it to make Novice difficulty tone down the time trial and speed lap events.

Thanks for the notice.  I moved on and haven't looked back after getting pissed on the 5th tier.  I'll have to check it out.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Brehvolution on December 03, 2008, 08:40:32 PM
Fuck. This. Thread.
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Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Bocsius on December 03, 2008, 08:54:02 PM
I for one did not enjoy all that many PS2 games. Exclusives, there were like 5. And three were Final Fantasy. With multiplatform stuff I got for PS2, we're up to 9. The rest... bunch of skippable crap, if you ask me.

Of course, there weren't too many Xbox and GameCube games I liked, either. Less than PS2 for GameCube, more than PS2 for Xbox. But whatever. Then again, there are only 5 current gen games I'd care to play, too.

You liked FFX-2 but not any of the other good-to-great JRPGs on the PS2?!?

In addition to all of the Japanese RPGs, you couldn't find anything you liked in these series: God of War, Gran Turismo, Ico/Shadow, Sly Cooper, Jak, Ratchet & Clank, GTA/Bully,  Metal Gear Solid, Tony Hawk, Guitar Hero, Hot Shots Golf, etc?

You're a picky man!

I loved God of War I. God of War II can buzz right off. What a soul killing game that one was.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 03, 2008, 09:18:38 PM
GoW1 and 2 have like the best opening levels ever of any game.  Destroying the hydras and killing that statue = FUCK YEAH.  The rest of the game = zzzzzzz.  Perhaps not coincidentally, the demos for those games are those respective levels.  Both times I got suckered in.  It's like a movie trailer that shows all the best parts, but the rest sucks.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: tiesto on December 03, 2008, 11:38:14 PM
that's funny, when i play games i am usually thinking "wow, this is a fun game" or "wow, this game isn't fun" and not "wow, look at the jaggy leaves on those trees and the v-sync and frame rate and my fun is just RUINED *flaps hands*"

Well, that's what normal people are supposed to think.

:piss Graphics whore dorks :piss2
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: duckman2000 on December 04, 2008, 02:59:55 PM
God of War II has too many bosses. I got stuck on Euryale because honestly, I didn't give a shit anymore. I'll pick up where I left off, get past Euryale and probably love it for an hour before the next boss. Maybe it's because combat with "minor" creatures like the minotaurs or satyrs were so awesome, and the bosses just felt sort of meh. Still, I love playing God of War for the sheer visceral fun value, and for those moments fighting those big, minor creatures. One of three great PS2 franchises.

And honestly I can't understand why someone who is into games enough to post on message boards about them would choose to get a PS3 over a 360, unless for Blu Ray. There's not much on PS3 that isn't represented on 360, often in greater numbers.

Amazing, since it's been explained a bunch of times already.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 04, 2008, 03:54:20 PM
Oh right, Wipeout HD.


edit: Wipeout HD Wipeout HD Wipeout HD Wipeout HD Wipeout HD Wipeout HD
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 04, 2008, 03:55:52 PM
My ps3 is mostly for blurays and a few key titles, not the experience of a lifetime. Unless I wanna go around saying that my DVD player was my favorite console, cause I played that a lot too.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: Bildi on December 04, 2008, 04:44:31 PM
So you're saying your DVD player was a better console than your PS3?

Wow, that's harsh.
Title: Re: Salesbore: Microsoft says black friday sales were 3-to-1 360 > PS3
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 04, 2008, 04:59:05 PM
Well ya know, I have a bigger library for my DVD player. I mean sure, Bluray looks nicer, but there was just so much MORE to watch on my DVD player.