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Title: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 09, 2008, 06:21:53 PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rod-blagojevich-1209,0,7997804.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rod-blagojevich-1209,0,7997804.story)

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UPDATE: Gov. Rod Blagojevich and his chief of staff, John Harris, were arrested by FBI agents on federal corruption charges Tuesday morning.

Blagojevich and Harris were arrested simultaneously at their homes at about 6:15 a.m., according to Frank Bochte of the FBI. Both were transported to FBI headquarters in Chicago.

In one charge related to the appointment of a senator to replace Barack Obama, prosecutors allege that Blagojevich sought appointment for himself as secretary of Health and Human Services in the new Obama administration, or a lucrative job with a union, in exchange for appointing a union-preferred candidate.

Another charge alleges Blagojevich and Harris conspired to demand the firing of Chicago Tribune editorial board members responsible for editorials critical of him in exchange for state help with the sale of Wrigley Field, the Chicago Cubs baseball stadium owned by Tribune Co.

Blagojevich and Harris, along with others, obtained and sought to gain financial benefits for the governor, members of his family and his campaign fund in exchange for appointments to state boards and commissions, state jobs and state contracts, according to the charges.

"The breadth of corruption laid out in these charges is staggering," U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald said in a statement.

"They allege that Blagojevich put a 'for sale' sign on the naming of a United States senator; involved himself personally in pay-to-play schemes with the urgency of a salesman meeting his annual sales target; and corruptly used his office in an effort to trample editorial voices of criticism."

Blagojevich is scheduled to appear before U.S. Magistrate Judge Nan Nolan later today, according to Randall Samborn of the U.S. attorney's office.

:yuck

Shoot this mother fucker at Obama's inauguration.   
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most currport state in the union.
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 09, 2008, 06:26:04 PM
it's pretty impressively corrupt even by the embarassingly low standards of the CHICAGO MACHINE[/hannity]
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most currport state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 09, 2008, 06:28:49 PM
How awesome would it be to have a public hanging at Obamas inauguration? Hang this taco in front of everyone to set an example.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most currport state in the union.
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 09, 2008, 06:34:44 PM
Yeah this is pretty hysterical.  Guarantee the fucks at Fox try and blame this on Obama though.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most currport state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 09, 2008, 06:40:10 PM
Yeah this is pretty hysterical.  Guarantee the fucks at Fox try and blame this on Obama though.
Obama may have not been in on it, but you cant deny that he knew/knows about corruption in Illinois.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most currport state in the union.
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 09, 2008, 06:43:03 PM
Yeah, but the governor is on record as complaining that Obama wasn't playing ball. So it's kind of hard to tar him with this brush.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most currport state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 09, 2008, 06:43:38 PM
Yeah, but the governor is on record as complaining that Obama wasn't playing ball. So it's kind of hard to tar him with this brush.

True.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most currport state in the union.
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 09, 2008, 06:55:46 PM
Soooo Rush is apparently already linking to two together, and earlier Fox had the two in a picture at the top of their website.

Jesus christ
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most currport state in the union.
Post by: treythemovie on December 09, 2008, 06:56:44 PM
Yeah this is pretty hysterical.  Guarantee the fucks at Fox try and blame this on Obama though.
Obama may have not been in on it, but you cant deny that he knew/knows about corruption in Illinois.

Anyone with half a brain knows about the corruption in Illinois.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most currport state in the union.
Post by: huckleberry on December 09, 2008, 06:58:46 PM
This is all that Hannity talked about his entire radio program today...I am sure that Rush was the same.  Trying sooooooo hard to link Obama to this shit.  I sure as hell hope for our sakes that he isn't implicated in any fucking way.  This is the kind of shit that would give Rebpulicans enough ammunition to hold up anything that he tried to do his first year(s) in office.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most currport state in the union.
Post by: Eric P on December 09, 2008, 07:17:30 PM
i read that Rahm turned the guy in.

he must not have heard his boss was involved
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: siamesedreamer on December 09, 2008, 07:51:54 PM
Hopenchange folks...
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most currport state in the union.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2008, 07:53:04 PM
i read that Rahm turned the guy in.

he must not have heard his boss was involved
:lol

not to mention the gov calling Obama a "motherfucker" for not wanting to pay him monies
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 09, 2008, 07:57:25 PM
Hopenchange folks...
since when did blago  talk about hope and change?

Obama had nothing to do with this.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Brehvolution on December 09, 2008, 07:57:43 PM
lol @ republicans

Has there been a more detestable group of people lately?
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 09, 2008, 07:59:23 PM
lol @ republicans

Has there been a more detestable group of people lately?

Democrat Governors?
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 09, 2008, 08:00:42 PM
lol @ republicans

Has there been a more detestable group of people lately?

Democrat Governors?
what the fuck? Republican governors are some how less corrupt?  :lol
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 09, 2008, 08:00:55 PM
nah, at least they're entertaining

I could say the same thing about Rush and Hannity.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 09, 2008, 08:01:28 PM
lol @ republicans

Has there been a more detestable group of people lately?

Democrat Governors?
what the fuck? Republican governors are some how less corrupt?  :lol

*Looks at todays new.

Yes, yes they are less corrupt.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Brehvolution on December 09, 2008, 08:01:53 PM
I retract that statement and replace it with this one.

Has there been a more detestable group of people given an open mic and a large following of sheep?
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: huckleberry on December 09, 2008, 08:02:53 PM
Its Democratic governors you ditto head.  Quit regurgitating every little bit of pundit bullshit you are fed.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 09, 2008, 08:04:41 PM
lol @ republicans

Has there been a more detestable group of people lately?

Democrat Governors?
what the fuck? Republican governors are some how less corrupt?  :lol

*Looks at todays new.

Yes, yes they are less corrupt.

jesus christ, you are a fucking idiot if you think blago' being the headline news today magically erases the endless corruption of republicans somehow.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: siamesedreamer on December 09, 2008, 08:08:03 PM
I like how the office of the Obama administration-elect throws Axeldouche under the bus without batting an eye.

 
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 09, 2008, 08:10:04 PM
I retract that statement and replace it with this one.

Has there been a more detestable group of people given an open mic and a large following of sheep?

Michael Moore?

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jesus christ, you are a fucking idiot if you think blago' being the headline news today magically erases the endless corruption of republicans somehow.

Looking at the whole New York governor's debacle in addition this shit. 2008 has not been kind to democrat governors.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Eric P on December 09, 2008, 08:14:05 PM
does everything have to be broken down to your side vs mine?

can't we just say this guy's a douche?
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Brehvolution on December 09, 2008, 08:16:39 PM
I retract that statement and replace it with this one.

Has there been a more detestable group of people given an open mic and a large following of sheep?

Michael Moore?

Right wing radio shows and Fox news.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 09, 2008, 08:18:51 PM
I like how the office of the Obama administration-elect throws Axeldouche under the bus without batting an eye.

 
Douche? David Axelrod is a great guy, what's your problem today SD? You are normally pretty level headed in political threads.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Brehvolution on December 09, 2008, 08:22:52 PM
Has anyone pondered what Fox news is going to talk about when they stop getting their talking points from the Bush Administration?
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 09, 2008, 08:23:14 PM
I googled around to see wtf siamese was talking about and omg the comments here (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1208/Aide_Ax_misspoke.html?showall)   ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 09, 2008, 08:29:05 PM
I googled around to see wtf siamese was talking about and omg the comments here (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1208/Aide_Ax_misspoke.html?showall)   ::) ::) ::) ::)
Never read comments on political news stories. They are always full of wackos.

Still, I don't know why the hell sd felt the need to call him a douche. Axelrod is one of the few political campaign managers who is really seen as a nice and friendly guy, by both parties. No one seems to hate him. wtf was with calling him a douche?  :lol
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 09, 2008, 08:37:35 PM
I'm impressed it didn't even take till the inauguration for Republicans to go completely insane
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Eric P on December 09, 2008, 08:40:18 PM
i'm not.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 09, 2008, 08:42:32 PM
ok, I'm not either, but it's still something to see
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2008, 08:43:00 PM
We knew Obama was talking to the governor about the seat weeks ago, I don't see why Obama had to lie

unless  :o
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Eric P on December 09, 2008, 08:43:48 PM
you don't say
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: ch1nchilla on December 09, 2008, 08:44:35 PM
I'm already tired of the Facebook statuses I'm seeing along the lines of "Great. Now we have Illinois corruption in the white house."
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: siamesedreamer on December 09, 2008, 08:47:35 PM
Axelrod is one of the few political campaign managers who is really seen as a nice and friendly guy, by both parties.

He's a smart guy. That's about it.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 09, 2008, 08:50:50 PM
Axelrod is one of the few political campaign managers who is really seen as a nice and friendly guy, by both parties.

He's a smart guy. That's about it.

Yeah, stfu Cheebs.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2008, 08:52:11 PM
but axlerod is my friend!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
gtfo cheebs
[close]
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: siamesedreamer on December 09, 2008, 08:55:58 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16395.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16395.html)

Looks like he wrote the playbook.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Bocsius on December 09, 2008, 09:21:17 PM
The right wing radio act is getting so old. I caught a few seconds of Mark Levin (on the way to the gym) and he was doing that same "link Obama to this" song and dance. I swear, if we have to go through 4 more years of this stupid and petty partisan bickering, I may never vote for a Republican again. We went through it with Clinton, went through it with Bush (payback at first, deserved afterwards), and it's starting all over again. Enough already. It accomplishes nothing. Let's have a detente, people. Intelligent discourse about policy, enough with the mudslinging. I'm sick of it.

 :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf

Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 09, 2008, 09:27:32 PM
Jesus lord, I didn't even know you republifags could be this fucking dumb.

DEMOCRAT FUCKING SUCKS, IS IT OBAMA'S FAULT????????

Fuck off with this shit, I'm sick and tired of this song and dance.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 09, 2008, 09:37:15 PM
Axelrod is one of the few political campaign managers who is really seen as a nice and friendly guy, by both parties.

He's a smart guy. That's about it.
Explain to me how he is a douche though?
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 09, 2008, 09:38:58 PM
Axelrod is one of the few political campaign managers who is really seen as a nice and friendly guy, by both parties.

He's a smart guy. That's about it.

Explain to me how he is a douche though?

Cheebs, just stfu.  You're the political equivalent of an obnoxious PS3 fanthing.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: treythemovie on December 09, 2008, 09:51:07 PM
Pinning this on Obama, really? It doesn't take a genius to realize Obama's relationship with the rest of Illinois' political corruption circle. Obama just tried his best to stay neutral and outside of the whole mess. If you become a reformer in Illinois you will be crushed immediatly. If you join the corruption circlejerk you will smear yourself forever. So the only other option is the route Obama took: turning a blind eye towards Illinois' corruption while at the same time staying the fuck away from it all. Though to be honest there is a good chance that Illinois' corrupters purposely let Obama stay out of the mess because they saw he had potential :/


Now to go back on topic: FUCK YOU BLAGO
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 09, 2008, 11:36:53 PM
Beardo never ceases to amaze me.

Just doing my best.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 09, 2008, 11:41:47 PM
To me, Louisiana wins the prize. Although, maybe they just get caught more ... whereas Illinois has it so embedded that it doesn't even go noticed.

You can tell that by the Governors comments (paraphrasing here), "Something so valuable must be worth something". Which is another way of saying, "I see guys getting PAID for a lot less around here". Almost institutional.




Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Mandark on December 09, 2008, 11:44:20 PM
I see your Louisiana and raise you Alaska.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 09, 2008, 11:45:39 PM
I guess we are just revealing our biases.
 
:-*

Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 09, 2008, 11:50:32 PM
Who is Beardo? Does he have a GAF account? I hate all these people that change their names ... I can't keep track anymore.


Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Mandark on December 09, 2008, 11:52:11 PM
Willco for token Republican.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 09, 2008, 11:55:12 PM
I'm not comfortable with Willco being a token Jew and a Republican.  I like my stereotypes simple and easy to digest.

Well you are a democrat so that makes sense. Would't want things to get too complicated.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Mandark on December 09, 2008, 11:56:55 PM
He could be the rich capitalist neoconservative person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation Jew to my social democratic labor-left Jew.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Mandark on December 10, 2008, 12:11:35 AM
I'm not comfortable with Willco being a token Jew and a Republican.  I like my stereotypes simple and easy to digest.

Well you are a democrat so that makes sense. Would't want things to get too complicated.

I think it's absolutely brilliant to quote someone's self-deprecating quote and use it against them.  That's not hoisting them by their own petard, it's hoisting them by their own hoist.

But doesn't this example get it backwards?  Aren't liberals the ones who keep muddying things up with their moral relativism and love of academia, droning on about the plural causes of terrorism and institutional poverty, when it all comes down to common sense and simple, small town values?

When did you guys steal nuance?  I want it back.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 10, 2008, 12:38:27 AM
Speaking of corruption, my favorite politician Jim Traficant (new avatar) is making his triumphant return soon. Hope he still has all his marbles.


Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 10, 2008, 04:01:29 AM
God bless conspiracy nuts. They never sleep.

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Bank of America along with 8 other banks got a share of about 300 Billion of the bailout money no strings attached.  They were supposed to lend that money out to help the ecconomy.  Instead these banks are not lending the money.  They are closing lines of credit all over the country and putting business like Republic Windows into bankruptcy.  Costing thousands if not millions of jobs.

The Feds could have indicted Blogojevich almost anytime over the last year, but they didn't.  The labor action at Republic Windows has been going on for the ten days or so,  and Blogojevich did the right thing in trying to help the little guy by theatening to boycott BoA unless they started to lend the bailout money.  Do you think Blogojevich woke up monday and just decided to boycott BoA?  No, he was planning this last week, and the word must have leaked out because he was indicted on Saturday, and arrested one day after annoucing the boycott.

Do you think the governors of New York, California, Ohio, or Florida, or the Mayors of New York City, Los Angles, Chicago, or Detroit will dare organize a boycott of a bank that isn't lending now?  No, the big banks that are getting a fee ride on our money, and that are pulling in credit (not expanding it) have made an example of Blogojevich.    Anyone who complains, or tries a boycott will be punished.

Blogojevich is a victim of the bank cartel!


Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: siamesedreamer on December 10, 2008, 11:23:24 AM
This article says they met to discuss the seat:

http://www.connecttristates.com/news/story.aspx?id=219212 (http://www.connecttristates.com/news/story.aspx?id=219212)
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 10, 2008, 11:34:16 AM
Obama will not be connected to this regardless if he met with him or not. The mere fact Blago' called Obama a motherfucker and was pissed Obama wasn't going to give him anything in exchange for appointing who Obama wanted really makes it hard to try to tie Obama to this at all in the right-wing media. It just seems desperate to even try to talk about Obama when dealing with Blago.

It'd be like trying to somehow tie Hillary Clinton to the corruption of the Spitzer government.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 10, 2008, 11:37:47 AM
On the other hand, if this was a Daley who got in trouble then yes I'd think Obama might be connected and want stuff to be looked into because the Obama's and the Daley's are very close. But Blago'? Nonsense.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: siamesedreamer on December 10, 2008, 11:53:55 AM
Obama National Co-Chair involved:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/ConductUnbecoming/Story?id=6431739&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/ConductUnbecoming/Story?id=6431739&page=1)


The weird thing is that Fitz said the tapes clear Obama from wrong doing. So why are they backtracking so much? Look at what Obama said yesterday:

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I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening.

Why would he correct himself mid-sentence?

My guess is that they knew what Blago was doing and don't want to be connected with not turning him in.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 10, 2008, 11:57:27 AM
Oh just fuck off already
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 10, 2008, 12:09:39 PM
Obama National Co-Chair involved:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/ConductUnbecoming/Story?id=6431739&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/ConductUnbecoming/Story?id=6431739&page=1)


The weird thing is that Fitz said the tapes clear Obama from wrong doing. So why are they backtracking so much? Look at what Obama said yesterday:

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I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening.

Why would he correct himself mid-sentence?

My guess is that they knew what Blago was doing and don't want to be connected with not turning him in.

They are cleared of any LEGAL wrong doing. There is nothing illegal with talking to the guy about things not related to his crimes. But the media can still make a big deal about it and he doesn't want that.

Obviously Obama has no legal issues and stayed clear of Blago's problems, everyone in Ill. knew the guy was corrupt so he obviously didn't want to be tainted by him so he wouldn't play ball with his political games (which is why the governor calls Obama a mother fucker amongst other nice names). But he doesn't want ANY connections to him, even perfectly legal ones due to the media's love of stories like this.

All the nonsense on shows like Hannity on Fox where they are calling obama corrupt and all this nonsense is pure bullshit. Is Obama backtracking on meeting with the guy? Sure, he wants nothing to do with him. But it isn't for legal problems or corruption. It is purely for media reasonings. Which it's why its so useless to keep talking about Obama.

No one else who talked with Blago on legal terms is getting attention from the right-wing media.  Guess what Palin attended the governers meeting with blago a few weeks ago. OMG. DID SHE TALK TO HIM?!?!?!? And what if she said she didn't but may have said hello? CORRRRUPPPPTIOOOOON! That makes just as much sense as dwelling on Obama.

Obama had nothing to do with Blago's crimes. Obama says so, the wire-tapped tapes say so, and so does the Fed investigators. Obama shouldn't be a topic,  drop it sd. You are waaay above this hannity/rush nonsense.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 10, 2008, 12:16:01 PM
Looks like it was Jesse Jackson Jr. who was candidate #5. And was willing to pay Blago' $1 million for the senate seat.  :lol Rep. Jackson is sooooo fucked if true.

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ABC News: Jesse Jackson Jr. is “Senate Candidate #5”


The network cites federal law enforcement sources saying the Chicago congressman is the anonymous candidate whose emissaries reportedly offered Blagojevich up to $1 million to name him to Obama's seat.

The Illinois Rep. denies anyone had been authorized to make payments or promises to the Governor on his behalf.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Ganhyun on December 10, 2008, 12:33:46 PM
gotta love Ill politics. Corruption everywhere.  (Thats also true in alot of other places too)

And both sides have idiots and corrupt people.

Oh, and on the sheep comment: There are alot of people who blindly follow like sheep, no matter what policital leaning they have.

Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 10, 2008, 12:36:58 PM
I'd say Ill. and Alaska are the most corrupt. Palin, the Rep. for Alaska, and (formerly) Stevens put up a big challenge to be more corrupt than them but Ill' tries pretty hard.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 10, 2008, 12:44:23 PM
I'd say Ill. and Alaska are the most corrupt. Palin, the Rep. for Alaska, and (formerly) Stevens put up a big challenge to be more corrupt than them but Ill' tries pretty hard.

Key word there. I bet that the Illinois democrats re-elect him just like the D.C. Mayor.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: ShogunOfFear on December 10, 2008, 12:48:10 PM
Illinois is like an episode of The Sopranos at this point.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 10, 2008, 12:51:26 PM
I'd say Ill. and Alaska are the most corrupt. Palin, the Rep. for Alaska, and (formerly) Stevens put up a big challenge to be more corrupt than them but Ill' tries pretty hard.

Key word there. I bet that the Illinois democrats re-elect him just like the D.C. Mayor.

Blago has a 4% approval rating. 4. percent. He isn't going to win re-election. Oh and yet Alaska still elected their extremely corrupt rep. and they still have palin which this election showed is as corrupt as they come (using endless tax payer money to buy clothes, charging her state for staying at her own home, firing state employee's on personal basis, being supportive of the bridge to nowhere and on and on and on), Alaska is no better than Ill.. Stop trying to take a political spin on it to say your party is somehow better. Ill. and Alaska are equally a mess.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 10, 2008, 12:53:45 PM
The clothes were bought by the RNC.
She was cleared of any legal wrong doing in the firing case.
The bridge to nowhere is just a pork barrel fuck up. No where near as bad as selling a senate seat.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 10, 2008, 12:57:54 PM
The clothes were bought by the RNC.
She was cleared of any legal wrong doing in the firing case.
Yet there are multiple sources who claim she personally went on shopping sprees using RNC employee credit cards like Newsweek and even Fox News. And he report still said what she did was wrong, even if she was not found to have broken the law. She was not cleared of wrong doing, just LEGAL wrong doing. What she did was corrupt politics at it's finest still. Need I mention the shit she did as mayor putting pressure on people and firing people based on moral values and loyalty and not competence?  Come on. Lovely how you ignored the bridge to nowhere part. t This isn't a Palin thread, but the mere fact you can't accept the fact that Palin is a corrupt politician is absurd.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: brawndolicious on December 10, 2008, 01:01:33 PM
The troopergate report concluded that she abused her powers.  I think I heard that there was a civil suit filed.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 10, 2008, 01:04:34 PM
The troopergate report concluded that she abused her powers.  I think I heard that there was a civil suit filed.
Exactly, I don't even know why this is debatable. How anyone but the Rush/Hannity drones could ever think that Palin isn't a corrupt politician is amazing. Going back to day one when she was Mayor she has abused her job and has been shown to continue to do so as governor. Even if she has done nothing illegal she has been shown to abuse power her whole career and abuse loopholes to her personal gain and has supported absurdly corrupt govt. decisions. 

I used her as an example of corrupt politicians purely cause I thought it was accepted fact by EVERYONE she was corrupt and didn't expect anyone to try to claim she is miss perfect. holy shit beardo.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 10, 2008, 01:06:07 PM
Cheebs, Lets pretend that she did fire someone based on personal bias.

What is more corrupt? Firing a state trooper and spending RNC money on clothes. Or selling a fucking U.S. senate seat?


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I used her as an example of corrupt politicians purely cause I thought it was accepted fact by EVERYONE she was corrupt and didn't expect anyone to try to claim she is miss perfect. holy shit beardo.

Whether she is corrupt or not, the fact that you are even saying that the two people are in the same ball park is fucking ludicrous.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 10, 2008, 01:11:49 PM
Actually I dont even need to argue with you. Let's just see who spends more time in jail. If Palin spends even an hour more than Blagojevich you can call me wrong.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 10, 2008, 01:12:21 PM
Cheebs, Lets pretend that she did fire someone based on personal bias.

What is more corrupt? Firing a state trooper and spending RNC money on clothes. Or selling a fucking U.S. senate seat?
Did I ever say she on her own was more corrupt than Ill. or even Blago? I used her as a example of the MANY MANY corrupt alaska politicians in recent years to showcase this isn't some problem only in Ill. Don Young, Ted Stevens, Sarah Palin are all peas in a pod of alaska corruption. You were the one to focus on her of the various alaska politicians I was talking about.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: brawndolicious on December 10, 2008, 01:12:51 PM
so why do you think that blago would get re-elected?
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 10, 2008, 01:14:30 PM
Actually I dont even need to argue with you. Let's just see who spends more time in jail. If Palin spends even an hour more than Blagojevich you can call me wrong.
Too bad I never said Palin was more corrupt or even as corrupt as Blago. You just went batshit and defensive of her when I listed her among other (and more corrupt) alaska politics. You right wingers are so paranoid since Obam won.  :lol You were trying to pick an argument. Why didn't you try to argue about Don Young? Hmm? Palin was the one you went crazy about.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 10, 2008, 01:15:41 PM
buh buh buh i-pass
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 10, 2008, 01:16:07 PM
I hate Palin. For all I care she could go to jail. I just think its funny that you would list her in the same sentence as Blago.  :lol
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 10, 2008, 01:19:22 PM
I hate Palin. For all I care she could go to jail. I just think its funny that you would list her in the same sentence as Blago.  :lol
Except I didn't. I listed her alongside Young and Stevens. I never said one ion their own was more or equally corrupt as Blago. I was just citing how Alaska politics itself is just as corrupt as Illinois. Which includes the former governer prior to palin, palin herself, stevens, don young and endless others.  I wasn't even focusing on Blago alone. You were the one who was trying to compare person to person. I never even claimed Alaska was MORE corrupt than Illinois.  :lol
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 10, 2008, 01:21:29 PM
Palin isnt even in the same ballpark as Stevens. I'm really not sure why you listed her at all other than to regurgitate democrat talking points from two months ago.

Just admit that Blago is a democrat and is probably the most corrupt person at the moment. It's okay to admit that.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 10, 2008, 01:23:37 PM
Who ISN'T admitting that?  Democrat or Republican, he's still a piece of shit.

But trying to connect him to Obama is just fucking incredible.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Brehvolution on December 10, 2008, 01:24:27 PM
If Blago never said shit about bank of America, he wouldn't be in this mess.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 10, 2008, 01:25:54 PM
Who ISN'T admitting that?  Democrat or Republican, he's still a piece of shit.

But trying to connect him to Obama is just fucking incredible.

Nobody is doing that in this thread. In fact the only reason it is even mentioned in this thread is because the dems came in for damage control.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 10, 2008, 01:29:29 PM
Damage control?  Fuck that.  Hannity, Rush, and Bill-O have already came out saying stupid shit like OMG OMG OMG SEEEEEEE?!?!?!

Stating the facts isn't fucking damage control.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 10, 2008, 01:30:00 PM
Palin isnt even in the same ballpark as Stevens. I'm really not sure why you listed her at all other than to regurgitate democrat talking points from two months ago.

Just admit that Blago is a democrat and is probably the most corrupt person at the moment. It's okay to admit that.
Blago is the most corrupt politician at the moment! I don't deny that. Stop thinking I am trying to claim he is some how not that corrupt. Although he being a democrat has nothing to do with it at all. If his political affiliation determines in any way his corruption then that means Mark Foley and Larry Craig means the Republican party is all gay people. If we are playing the weird admit game of yours then who is more corrupt Obama or Bush, hmm? See how silly you asking these childish ADMIT IT questions are?

And jesus christ, I never said she was as close as corrupt as Stevens, I just listed her as an example of corrupt alaska politicians. She is corrupt and from alaska. Stevens is corrupt and from alaska. Thus they are in the same group, steven is 1000x more corrupt but they are both corrupt alaskans.  I am not ranking them on some sort of corruption scale. Stop obsessing over the fact you think I called her as corrupt as one person or another.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 10, 2008, 01:30:20 PM
Damage control?  Fuck that.  Hannity, Rush, and Bill-O have already came out saying stupid shit like OMG OMG OMG SEEEEEEE?!?!?!

Stating the facts isn't fucking damage control.
Oh yeah, I forgot that Hannity and Rush post on evilbore.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 10, 2008, 01:31:47 PM
Who ISN'T admitting that?  Democrat or Republican, he's still a piece of shit.

But trying to connect him to Obama is just fucking incredible.

Nobody is doing that in this thread. In fact the only reason it is even mentioned in this thread is because the dems came in for damage control.
Oh for fucks sake. NO ONE in this thread tried to deny or explain away anything Blago did. You listen to far too much Rush or Hannity. Democrats aren't at all giving ANY sympathy to Blago or trying to explain away what he did.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 10, 2008, 01:33:53 PM
I dont even listen to talk radio. I wouldn't even have known that Rush was saying all these things if you guys weren't doing damage control in this thread.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: brawndolicious on December 10, 2008, 01:36:38 PM
Obama was not "damaged" by this particular thing.  Apparently, some pundits gave up their integrity to come up with a sensationalistic news story.  Don't know how you would get any other conclusion.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 10, 2008, 01:38:36 PM
I dont even listen to talk radio. I wouldn't even have known that Rush was saying all these things if you guys weren't doing damage control in this thread.
Yet no one in this thread once defended Blago or tried to explain away his crimes. No one. You are living in a crazy right wing world where you think EB liberals are rushing to protect the precious Blago.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 10, 2008, 01:38:55 PM
BUT I PASS IS COOL
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 10, 2008, 01:39:40 PM
I won't deny that we aren't "damage controlling" Obama's involvement however. But THAT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NONE. Still no one is trying to explain away/defend what Blago did like you seem to believe.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2008, 01:57:29 PM
Jackson Jr.=Senate Candidate #5? I saw that coming

If true...what a dumbass. Huge Obama supporter who would have been taken care of eventually decides he wants a prize NOW. Wow...
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 10, 2008, 02:00:58 PM
Jackson Jr.=Senate Candidate #5? I saw that coming

If true...what a dumbass. Huge Obama supporter who would have been taken care of eventually decides he wants a prize NOW. Wow...
How could he be so stupid to offer $1 million dollars (if he is indeed the person)? Did he really think doing a illegal bribery with a politician under federal investigation was a good ideal? smh
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Eric P on December 10, 2008, 02:02:21 PM
I won't deny that we aren't "damage controlling" Obama's involvement however. But THAT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NONE. Still no one is trying to explain away/defend what Blago did like you seem to believe.

i think it's pretty suspicious that we can't find any flaws in obama.

what is he able to hide so well?
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 10, 2008, 02:31:05 PM
I won't deny that we aren't "damage controlling" Obama's involvement however. But THAT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NONE. Still no one is trying to explain away/defend what Blago did like you seem to believe.

i think it's pretty suspicious that we can't find any flaws in obama.

what is he able to hide so well?

Our lord and savior has no flaws. :shh
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Eric P on December 10, 2008, 02:39:09 PM
i heard he may have up to TWO black daughters from a black woman.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Brehvolution on December 10, 2008, 03:12:45 PM
Reverend.  :teehee
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: treythemovie on December 10, 2008, 04:27:59 PM
I won't deny that we aren't "damage controlling" Obama's involvement however. But THAT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NONE. Still no one is trying to explain away/defend what Blago did like you seem to believe.

i think it's pretty suspicious that we can't find any flaws in obama.

what is he able to hide so well?

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CHICAGO—In a devastating blow to millions of unsuspecting Americans, newly elected president and international con man Barack Obama fled the country Wednesday with nearly $85 million in campaign funds.

According to FBI investigators, Obama's sudden disappearance was discovered at 6:15 p.m. when the former Illinois senator failed to arrive at a gala event in Lincoln Square, prompting several aides to rush back to his campaign headquarters. At 6:23 p.m., flight logs at O'Hare International Airport confirmed that two passengers, a male carrying two silver briefcases and dressed in a perfectly tailored Brioni tuxedo, and an African-American female wearing a fur coat and speaking in a thick Russian accent, were seen boarding a private plane.

Obama's campaign office, sources said, was completely vacant aside from a discarded Abraham Lincoln portrait, behind which was an emptied safe that his aides claimed never to have seen before.

In addition, three unconscious Secret Service agents were discovered at the scene, along with two lit cigarettes still burning in an ashtray, and Obama's daughters, who authorities now believe were taken from an Alabama foster home six years ago.

The only item found inside the metal safe was a letter, handwritten with a fountain pen and titled "An Explanation, My Dears."

"To my tender little pawns, the all-too-trusting people of America," said FBI lead investigator Ray Hilland, quoting the letter at a press conference Wednesday. "If you are reading this, then I have already left your silly country in my private jet, and am right now sipping fine champagne with my lovely associate, a woman you have come to know as 'Michelle.'"

"I assure you, this was the most pleasurable and fulfilling con I have ever pulled off," the note continued. "Not since the Moroccan elections in 1984 have I taken so much joy in raising, and then crushing, the hopes and dreams of so many pathetic, disenfranchised, and downtrodden people."

"It's been an absolute delight doing business with you. Rest assured, your generous contributions will be well spent," the note concluded. "Fondly yours, Ψ."

After initiating a further search of his campaign office, officials found more than two dozen counterfeit passports inside Obama's desk drawer. Authorities suspect that this is not the first time that the man who inspired millions has preyed upon a leadership-starved country, raised a record amount of money by running for office, and then vanished without a trace.

"This explains Portugal in '86, Finland in '94, and Greece in '90," CIA director Michael Hayden said. "He used the same faultless cover in those elections as he did here—a dead mother, a runaway father, a grandfather who fought in Patton's or Järnefelt's or Papdopoulous' army, and his signature calling card: change."

Multiple translations of Obama's books Dreams From My Father and The Audacity Of Hope were also discovered at the scene, each seemingly authored by a different world leader, including former Malaysian president Mohamad Mahathir, former Belgian prime minister Jean-Luc Dehaene, and the 14th Dalai Lama.

Of particular interest were the titles Les Rêves De Mon Père and L'audace D'espére, both of which feature a cover photo of French president Nicolas Sarkozy, a man Paris officials claim hasn't been seen or heard from in nearly eight months.

According to investigators, it appears that over the past 15 years, Obama has been elected president or prime minister in nearly 45 countries, many of them African. Officials estimate that since 1983 Obama has amassed more than $2.3 billion in stolen campaign financing.

"He's good, real good," Hayden said. "Sometimes he'll have three campaigns going on at once. Recently uncovered video of him in Bangladesh, Ukraine, and Italy in 1989 shows him shifting seamlessly between three languages. And no matter what dialect he speaks, he speaks it passionately. He also abides by a flawless formula: a desperate country, plus hope, plus the promise of a bold new tomorrow equals big bucks."

"Hell, even I donated the $2,400 to his campaign," he added.

Obama's closest aides, including head campaign strategist David Axelrod, admitted that they never once suspected their candidate was anyone other than who he claimed to be. Nevertheless, Axelrod said that the recent revelation did explain why he once overheard Michelle Obama tell her husband that "the time had come for their coup de grâce."

"He completely suckered me," said a visibly dejected vice president-elect Joe Biden, who estimated that he raised over $10 million for Obama. "I trusted him. Change, 'Yes We Can,' a new kind of politics, bringing the nation together, valuing an open dialogue about the issues—I trusted all of it."

Added Biden, "I should have known it was too good to be true."

Everyday Americans, whom Obama referred to as "so many unwitting chess pieces in my elaborate game," also expressed shock Wednesday.

"I'm devastated," Pennsylvania resident and Obama donor Denise Bell told reporters. "I just hope he comes back soon so he can be our president."
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/international_con_man_barack_obama
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 10, 2008, 05:34:20 PM
Cafferty just said the last 7 Illinois governors have been arrested. lol
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: siamesedreamer on December 11, 2008, 09:52:40 AM
I swear liberals watch/listen to right-wing news/radio more than us conservatives.

I've personally never listened to Rush in my life. About the only talk radio I listen to is Neal Boortz and he's kinda boring (especially when he goes on rants about the Dekalb airport).
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Beardo on December 11, 2008, 10:01:46 AM
Neil boortz is pretty good.

I hear you about the Rush/hannity thing. I dont listen to them either, but I do hear liberals whine about them more than I hear conservatives talk about them.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: huckleberry on December 11, 2008, 10:43:56 AM
Beardo you are so full of shit.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Ganhyun on December 11, 2008, 11:25:24 AM
Beardo you are so full of shit.

If he is full of shit, you must acquit.  :lol :lol :lol :lol

but I do hear liberals whine about them more than I hear conservatives talk about them.

I find this to be true where I live.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Eric P on December 11, 2008, 11:28:23 AM


but I do hear liberals whine about them more than I hear conservatives talk about them.

I find this to be true where I live.
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i find this to be true on the internet

i live in new york and am too poor to know any conservatives here
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: siamesedreamer on December 11, 2008, 11:36:42 AM
Obama throwing Chicago politics under the bus while noting that politicians seem far too often looking out for what is best for them as opposed to what is best for the public. It's funny because Obama brought those kind of people along with him - see the above linked Axelrod op-ed.
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Crushed on December 11, 2008, 11:39:28 AM
damn obama, throwing corrupt politics under the bus
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Cheebs on December 11, 2008, 12:01:09 PM
damn obama, throwing corrupt politics under the bus
How dare he not be a corrupt politician!
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 11, 2008, 12:14:47 PM
Obama working with corrupt politicians but not being corrupt himself just shows he can't be trusted
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2008, 12:54:29 PM
Obama represented a state with a corrupt governor. He's not being truthful about the relationship

will he ever stop palling around with questionable characters?!
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 11, 2008, 01:36:01 PM
Well Mandark, looks like I was right. Louisiana barely eeked out a win over Alaska in the "most corrupt state" award. But, North Dakota beat them both.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-12-10-corruptstates_N.htm?se=yahoorefer

It only measures the last 10 years though.


Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: Brehvolution on December 11, 2008, 01:38:31 PM
Lots of red states.

hmmm
Title: Re: Illinois proves once again that it is the most corrupt state in the union.
Post by: lordmaji on December 11, 2008, 04:57:09 PM
Home boi even looks like a shady mf. eh, probably because he's a cracker w/ some horrible ass comb over hair. wtf  :maf