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Title: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Tieno on December 13, 2008, 10:25:20 AM
XIII http://www.gametrailers.com/player/43656.html
Vs http://www.gametrailers.com/player/43655.html
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: WrikaWrek on December 13, 2008, 10:34:16 AM
I'm more intrigued by Versus, but that VS trailer was like 99.9% CG, boring CG accompanied by boring music and editing mind you.

The XIII trailer has a lot of old stuff that we have seen before, it's mostly CG also, but the whole thing is growing a bit on me, this gen has been a bit scarce on quality fantasy settings, and that trailer is like "epic" Sci Fi fantasy, so cool.


Fucking meh at the whole deal though. A bunch of cg shit does nothing for me anymore.
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Post by: tiesto on December 13, 2008, 11:08:16 AM
Looks awesome but I can't be hyped till I know what the battle system and skills system is gonna be like.
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Post by: Kestastrophe on December 13, 2008, 11:10:36 AM
Both look good, but i hate the way the dude looks in versus. He looks like one of GG's lolitos
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Post by: CurseoftheGods on December 13, 2008, 11:12:08 AM
Versus looks amazing.

nomnomnomura
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Purple Filth on December 13, 2008, 11:19:43 AM
XIII was nice

Versus looked awesome, hope dem show how the battle system works in that game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: bachikarn on December 13, 2008, 11:48:31 AM
VS. might be the reason I finally get a PS3.
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Post by: Third on December 13, 2008, 12:04:49 PM
Both will be mine eventually.

Sucks that I'll have to wait so long though..

More hyped on Versus because the game is more like the Ps1 FF games. Worldmap, airships etc.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Third on December 13, 2008, 12:12:03 PM
Versus is getting airships and a  world map? from the trailers only XIII hinted at those, unless they were confirmed in some interview while not for XIII.

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb203/Mitroman/ffxiii.jpg)

Look at the Versus section and you'll see a few pics/screens of the overworld.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 13, 2008, 12:12:58 PM
I'll get both.  I'm still a sucker for Final Fantasy games (as much as 12 sucked), so I'll probably love these.  Turn based ooooomg
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Purple Filth on December 13, 2008, 12:25:56 PM
Nomura made a mention of the map and the airship too.

Thats how it got started about versus having an overworld/airship
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Purple Filth on December 13, 2008, 12:26:20 PM
wtf
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 13, 2008, 12:32:06 PM
10 years of FFXIII CG
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Purple Filth on December 13, 2008, 01:01:21 PM
wtf

oh come on, I was trying to think of a witty thing to say. it was hilarious lol.

Actually that response was a result of my double post.
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Post by: maxy on December 13, 2008, 01:10:23 PM
Square-Enix

"Wait for CG"

yawn
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: cool breeze on December 13, 2008, 01:23:51 PM
the endings of both trailers were real time

at this point I think Versus has me more interested in it, but the chances of SE making a better action RPG than traditional RPG are incredibly slim.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: ManaByte on December 13, 2008, 01:30:09 PM
Why can't we get a fantasy (NOT SCI-FI) FF game like FFI-IV+IX again?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Jansen on December 13, 2008, 02:21:20 PM
these trailers suck
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: ManaByte on December 13, 2008, 02:31:23 PM
Why can't we get a fantasy (NOT SCI-FI) FF game like FFI-IV+IX again?

They tried going back with IX.

 I don't remember the response being warm  enough (from VII & VIII fans) to warrant more for Square.

I'll probably stick to DQ then. I'm sick of the Sci-Fi FFs. FFXIII looks like Mass Effect: Nomura Belt Edition.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 13, 2008, 03:24:00 PM
They've all been fairly sci-fi though, especially IV.
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Post by: ManaByte on December 13, 2008, 03:42:28 PM
They've all been fairly sci-fi though, especially IV.

Huh? They didn't start the Sci-Fi stuff until VI for the most part.
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Post by: y2kev on December 13, 2008, 03:44:01 PM
X was low-tech southeast asia, XI, and XII. The last 3 final fantasies have been not-sci fi.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: ManaByte on December 13, 2008, 03:54:52 PM
People played XII?
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Post by: cool breeze on December 13, 2008, 03:54:56 PM
a lot of the 'sci-fi' stuff in Final Fantasy is usually magic anyway, and I'm pretty sure magic is a key element of fantasy.  Only a few were really sci-fi like FF7.
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Post by: y2kev on December 13, 2008, 04:05:18 PM
People played XII?

2,322,329 in Japan alone.

FFXII haters like to pretend that the entire world agrees with them and the game was some horrific bomb. It had a successful international release and spawned a DS spinoff that sold over half a million copies.

Stick with DQ.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 13, 2008, 04:08:08 PM
Buh?  IV had you travel in a space ship to the fucking moon.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: tiesto on December 13, 2008, 04:09:04 PM
People played XII?

2,322,329 in Japan alone.

FFXII haters like to pretend that the entire world agrees with them and the game was some horrific bomb. It had a successful international release and spawned a DS spinoff that sold over half a million copies.

Stick with DQ.


I always thought that there was immense backlash with FFXII, due to the combat system, at least in Japan.

I've seen copies of FFXII in Toys R Us for $5.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: y2kev on December 13, 2008, 04:12:51 PM
People played XII?

2,322,329 in Japan alone.

FFXII haters like to pretend that the entire world agrees with them and the game was some horrific bomb. It had a successful international release and spawned a DS spinoff that sold over half a million copies.

Stick with DQ.


I always thought that there was immense backlash with FFXII, due to the combat system, at least in Japan.

I've seen copies of FFXII in Toys R Us for $5.

How do you measure a backlash? In people not buying sequels/spinoffs? It just doesn't hold up to scrutiny. I mean the DS game sold 524k in Japan-- for some rejection of what the game was, that's quite a successful spinoff. This isn't a Joanie Loves Chachi.

As for cheap copies, it was a massively shipped PS2 game that's two years old. I dunno what you've seen first hand, but the MSRP is still 20. Has retained its value fairly well for a major PS2 game. Something like God of War 2 is priced similarly.

Isolated hardcore communities whining on 2ch. I wouldn't be surprised if most people think FFXII was a B- or C game in Japan (if you could somehow poll the population), but they're not so spurned by it that they aren't coming out in droves to play related games :\

In other news, FFIV underperformed there, so go figure.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Bebpo on December 13, 2008, 04:19:19 PM
Just announce a release date already  ::)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: y2kev on December 13, 2008, 04:21:33 PM
umm I remember reading on GAF way back about some survey regarding XII after it was released asking people to rate some aspects of it

I remember the story getting a D and the game getting a C or C- overall.
Take this with a grain of salt as I have no proof of this atm.
I thiiiiiink I remember what you're talking about, but it was just some rating site for hardcore gamers. The number of people polled would represent a tiny fraction of those who bought the game.


Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Purple Filth on December 13, 2008, 04:40:44 PM
Just announce a release date already  ::)

HERETIC!!!!

no such thing should be uttered, the teasing will continue.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: cool breeze on December 13, 2008, 04:43:50 PM
Just announce a release date already  ::)

probably late 2009 or 2010 for Japan, 2010 definitely for America.  Versus probably even later on.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 13, 2008, 04:52:55 PM
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In other news, FFIV underperformed there, so go figure.

Compared to FF3, but FF3 sales greatly exceeded their expectations (initially 300k)
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Post by: CurseoftheGods on December 13, 2008, 04:58:13 PM
Just announce a release date already  ::)

probably late 2009 or 2010 for Japan, 2010 definitely for America.

It says 2009 in the trailer (for Japan).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: cool breeze on December 13, 2008, 05:00:16 PM
remember before this year when FFXIII was coming only to PS3?

yeah, things change depending on the circumstances.  I still don't see it making 2009 even in Japan unless it's really late like WKC is.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 13, 2008, 05:06:15 PM
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I still don't see it making 2009 even in Japan

Based on ...?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: cool breeze on December 13, 2008, 05:09:15 PM
Hardly any in-game footage shown (not even talking about gameplay here) and the demo releasing halfway through the year in an exorbitant way bundled with a blu-ray release.  I'm not saying it's a 0% chance of it in 2009, but I still don't think there is a 100% chance that it will be out in 2009.  Release dates are fickle.
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Post by: CurseoftheGods on December 13, 2008, 05:11:34 PM
remember before this year when FFXIII was coming only to PS3?

yeah, things change depending on the circumstances.  I still don't see it making 2009 even in Japan unless it's really late like WKC is.

It's still PS3 exclusive in Japan. I don't see how a 360 port would delay its release in Japan, especially when the team stated that they would start the port once the Japanese version is completed.

Anyway, I see it being released there in late 2009 -- considering they're giving a demo with FFVII AC Complete earlier that year. 2010 for the other regions.


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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 13, 2008, 05:18:31 PM
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Hardly any in-game footage shown (not even talking about gameplay here) and the demo releasing halfway through the year in an exorbitant way bundled with a blu-ray release.

The demo is due in March.  SE rarely shows much of anything until 4-8 months before a game's release.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2008, 05:45:19 PM
You guys really think that FFXIII's not going to make it in 2009 when there's a demo coming out next year?

Jinfash: that demo wasn't even made by S-E Japan, so it really doesn't even count.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: y2kev on December 13, 2008, 08:34:22 PM
XIII will be out next fall in Japan. I'm sure of it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Bebpo on December 13, 2008, 09:09:31 PM
March 29th 2010 in Japan...

...still counts as winter 2009 fiscal year ;)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: y2kev on December 13, 2008, 09:14:18 PM
March 29th 2010 in Japan...

...still counts as winter 2009 fiscal year ;)
potentially. the ffxii pattern works for me.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2008, 09:19:33 PM
If this game comes out in 2010 I will never forgive S-E unless the game somehow manages to top FFVIII as my fave.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Third on December 17, 2008, 12:07:57 PM
(http://www.ff-xiii.net/images//327He_171002.jpg)

LOOK AMAZING
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Post by: Purple Filth on December 17, 2008, 12:55:03 PM
scan of battle

(http://media.psu.com/media/ffxiii_battle_scan.jpg)
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Post by: BlueTsunami on December 17, 2008, 01:09:34 PM
I love how that site even has the hotlink message in the link to the picture in their own article. ugh
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Post by: dammitmattt on December 17, 2008, 01:54:50 PM
I counted at least more than one time in this thread that people said these games look good.  Dudes, they haven't even shown the game.  They've only shown movies.  There is nothing there to look good, yet!!!

Unless you're the type of person that really, really liked Advent Children.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Third on December 17, 2008, 02:20:31 PM
Battle screens look real to me.

Would be pretty distinguished mentally-challenged to create a CG movie with battle menu's etc.

And thanks for the repost, Purple Filth.  :-*
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Post by: cool breeze on December 17, 2008, 02:38:16 PM
I counted at least more than one time in this thread that people said these games look good.  Dudes, they haven't even shown the game.  They've only shown movies.  There is nothing there to look good, yet!!!

Unless you're the type of person that really, really liked Advent Children.

What do you mean 'haven't shown the game yet'? the ends of both these trailer were 'in-game'.  If you are implying about the actual 'gameplay' of these games, I don't think anyone is commenting on that but rather the style and setting of what they've seen.  I don't see how this is something unique to a Final Fantasy game because it's the same case for 99% of games out there.
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Post by: dammitmattt on December 17, 2008, 03:12:34 PM
If the battles are up and running, why not show those in the trailer?  The ending of the FF13 trailer looks like it could be real-time, but it doesn't show a damn thing.  I still don't think we've seen anything real-time for Versus.

New Square sucks.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 17, 2008, 03:17:06 PM
That scan from Famitsu is awesome.

:rock FINAL FANTASY :rock
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: dammitmattt on December 17, 2008, 03:23:50 PM
The release is so far away, they can't reveal everything now. They have to keep everyone hyped by revealing bits and pieces every now and then.

I mean do you honestly believe that in a few months all they were able to create was a few seconds of extra footage that gets added to the same old trailer?

Based on their current pace of work, yes?
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 17, 2008, 03:33:24 PM
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If the battles are up and running, why not show those in the trailer?

They said the demo had to be completed in December to get it produced in the quantity required for ACC in March.  If they don't have the battles (and pretty much everything else) running yet, they'll definitely have to delay ACC or cancel the demo.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2008, 03:35:28 PM
omfg final fantasy
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: dammitmattt on December 17, 2008, 03:52:42 PM
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If the battles are up and running, why not show those in the trailer?

They said the demo had to be completed in December to get it produced in the quantity required for ACC in March.  If they don't have the battles (and pretty much everything else) running yet, they'll definitely have to delay ACC or cancel the demo.

That's my point.  I'm annoyed with Square because they likely have a beautiful, nearly complete game and yet they refuse to actually show it.

I love Final Fantasy, but I'm very annoyed with how they've handled FF13 so far.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2008, 04:22:11 PM
i'm pretty sure FF13 is already done, but for some reason they just won't reveal it. I'm thinking of the 360 version and localization as a possible reason. It's just a baseless assumption, really.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 17, 2008, 04:29:24 PM
the demo is done (or almost done).  the content for the full game is far from done.
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Post by: Purple Filth on December 17, 2008, 04:32:59 PM
It was said that the game was basically in a alpha state and they were trying to finish the demo by December.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2008, 04:35:55 PM
the demo is done (or almost done).  the content for the full game is far from done.

Far? How much longer till it will be done?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 17, 2008, 07:15:16 PM
i'm pretty sure FF13 is already done, but for some reason they just won't reveal it. I'm thinking of the 360 version and localization as a possible reason. It's just a baseless assumption, really.

The 360 version and localization has no influence on the release of the Japanese version.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 17, 2008, 07:22:17 PM
i'm pretty sure FF13 is already done, but for some reason they just won't reveal it. I'm thinking of the 360 version and localization as a possible reason. It's just a baseless assumption, really.
are you fucking stupid?

Oh come on. You know the answer to that.
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Post by: CurseoftheGods on December 17, 2008, 08:47:01 PM
Has there been any 2D art of Nomura's FFXIII character designs?
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Post by: Bebpo on December 17, 2008, 09:10:03 PM
That scan looks good enough for me.
...and I'm sure it'll play better than WKC   :P


I just REALLY hope we get it in 2009 in Japan.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 17, 2008, 09:29:08 PM
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Has there been any 2D art of Nomura's FFXIII character designs?

Nomura says he decided not to release his art to keep the focus on the CG versions.  I think he did a Lightning illustration as a special for a magazine though.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2008, 11:14:08 PM
i'm pretty sure FF13 is already done, but for some reason they just won't reveal it. I'm thinking of the 360 version and localization as a possible reason. It's just a baseless assumption, really.
are you fucking stupid?

 :'(
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Post by: dammitmattt on December 18, 2008, 12:41:46 AM
i'm pretty sure FF13 is already done, but for some reason they just won't reveal it. I'm thinking of the 360 version and localization as a possible reason. It's just a baseless assumption, really.

I'll be nicer, Himuro  :)

If it's coming out this year, I'm sure that the PS3 version is mostly done at a higher level, but it still requires many layers of polish, tuning, and testing.  At the very least, you know that the sections in the demo should already be polished, so I'm not sure why they won't even show that.

However, it just takes a long time to finish and polish a game on this scale.  Final Fantasy games are usually horribly unbalanced by the time you reach the end game, so I can't imagine how bad they must be before they receive months of tuning.
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2008, 01:09:32 AM
It wasn't even a real post.

It's just...wishful thinking. Like, it's what I HOPE is true. Because I can't rely on this company putting anything on time anymore. At this rate it will be 2010 before I play it. I can't imagine that.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2008, 03:12:00 AM
i'm having final fantasy withdrawal
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Post by: cool breeze on December 18, 2008, 08:19:53 AM
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The ending of the FF13 trailer looks like it could be real-time

it's the same mocked up "Blizzrad" footage from 2 years back (or whenever that was)

I can't wait to see what it's like.
the first person who starts blaming anything wrong with it on the X360 gets a good kicking.


both the end of the FF13 and Versus trailers were the same scenes as those pictures a while back that were supposed to be real-time.  I don't know what that Blizzrad thing is about.

Are the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions launching at the same time in the US and Europe? I recall hearing that, but I might be thinking of a rumor I made up.

no clue about Europe, but the PS3 and 360 versions launch at the same time in America.
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Post by: dammitmattt on December 18, 2008, 09:27:56 AM
i'm having final fantasy withdrawal

I might be very late to your party, but did you ever play Lost Odyssey?  That's essentially the real sequel to FFX.
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2008, 01:05:30 PM
i'm having final fantasy withdrawal

I might be very late to your party, but did you ever play Lost Odyssey?  That's essentially the real sequel to FFX.

I played it. Loved it. It gave me the hankerin for psx era Final Fantasy and I replayed FFVIII, IX, and X this past year after playing it.
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Post by: dammitmattt on December 18, 2008, 01:57:24 PM
I played it. Loved it. It gave me the hankerin for psx era Final Fantasy and I replayed FFVIII, IX, and X this past year after playing it.

Sometimes it feels like I'm the only person in the world who loved FFX and Lost Odyssey.  It's good to know that I'm not alone.
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Post by: tiesto on December 18, 2008, 02:01:04 PM
I thought Lost Odyssey was awesome, bar a few technical issues and some DRE's I was getting a lot of on disk 4.
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2008, 02:02:57 PM
EB's got a big LO fanbase.
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Post by: y2kev on December 18, 2008, 02:19:58 PM
Big fan of FFX and I like LO.
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2008, 02:25:19 PM
This playthrough of FFX made me lower it in my personal FF list.

The fact you always fight 2-3 enemies at once and there's maybe 5 enemy types total brought it down this time. I mean, I like the idea of the chraracters having specific strengths and weaknesses, but when you fight the same enemy types the entire game it gets boring. On top of this, the linearity finally got to me and I never noticed the amount of cutscenes that game had before this. I found it utterly ridiculous.

I hadn't played FFX in a few years, but this playthrough was an eye opener.
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Post by: cool breeze on December 18, 2008, 02:58:14 PM
I'm probably the only person alive who liked FFX partly because of Blitzball

First time I played the game was at a friends house and it got to the point I'd be doing all the blitzball stuff for it.  I bought the game myself later on and played through it.  Come to think of it, a lot of jrpgs I ended up buying were after I tried them or some time at his house (he only really played jrpgs). 

FFX is fun though, but I think it has the worst cast of characters Final Fantasy has ever had.  Yuna specifically is one of the worst characters in any game ever. 
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2008, 02:58:31 PM
I love blitz.

And I like FFX's cast quite a bit. It's the best cast in the series imo.
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Post by: dammitmattt on December 18, 2008, 03:05:16 PM
I hated Blitzball (I much preferred the card games), but I generally liked the cast of characters in FFX.  I remember the ending specifically feeling like a punch to the gut.  I usually don't get invested enough into games to even care, so that was a novelty.
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2008, 03:22:36 PM
The fact they made an entire game starring her with a Lara-makeover should say a lot about how much they regret her design. If only they made her attitude more bitch-like too.

Yuna in FFX-2 is still Yuna.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: cool breeze on December 18, 2008, 03:30:25 PM
nah, Yuna in FFX-2 was a bit less shitty.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2008, 03:34:26 PM
I don't understand how she's shitty in X but not in X-2. In X, she's a girl who had her life decided for her from the start: to become a summoner. This meant she couldn't really fully enjoy life because for her, life was all about protecting people and dying to save those same people. So in FFX-2, after they've defeated Sin, she's supposed to be dead. However, the one constant throughout her life -- Yevon -- was a sham. It's basically Yuna trying to find who Yuna really is, and not some shmuck used for the religion she would have sacrificed herself to. Yuna in X is a strong female lead, Yuna in X-2 is a strong female lead who doesn't know her place in the world. I think the way X and X-2 develop Yuna make her the best female character in the series.
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2008, 03:37:14 PM
The fact they made an entire game starring her with a Lara-makeover should say a lot about how much they regret her design. If only they made her attitude more bitch-like too.

Yuna in FFX-2 is still Yuna.

Only on the inside. She went from looking like the most conservative looking FF gal to being the most whorish.

They just had to cater their fanbase

I've never understood this. How does she look whoreish? So wearing short shots means someone is whoreish now? The same people who criticize X-2's designs never noticed that most people in X's world are shirtless, or dress in loose clothing to begin with. What would happen to someone who was a devotely religious person, only to realize her religion was a sham? After realizing that, after when she was sent to die from an early age, you'd think she'd try things to find herself right? It's the same reason she takes the clothes Rikku gives her even though she's not sure about them, and why throughout the game, she copies Rikku left and right.

Tifa looks 1000 x more whoreish than Yuna in X-2 ever did, since almost everyone in X wears loose clothing given the climate.
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Post by: cool breeze on December 18, 2008, 03:37:46 PM
I don't understand how she's shitty in X but not in X-2. In X, she's a girl who had her life decided for her from the start: to become a summoner. This meant she couldn't really fully enjoy life because for her, life was all about protecting people and dying to save those same people. So in FFX-2, after they've defeated Sin, she's supposed to be dead. However, the one constant throughout her life -- Yevon -- was a sham. It's basically Yuna trying to find who Yuna really is, and not some shmuck used for the religion she would have sacrificed herself to. Yuna in X is a strong female lead, Yuna in X-2 is a strong female lead who doesn't know her place in the world. I think the way X and X-2 develop Yuna make her the best female character in the series.

that's great and all, but where does that stop her from being insufferable in any dialogue situation? she's a terrible character.

Actually, FFX cast isn't that bad, just compared to most Final Fantasy games they are.
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2008, 03:38:43 PM
I don't understand how she's shitty in X but not in X-2. In X, she's a girl who had her life decided for her from the start: to become a summoner. This meant she couldn't really fully enjoy life because for her, life was all about protecting people and dying to save those same people. So in FFX-2, after they've defeated Sin, she's supposed to be dead. However, the one constant throughout her life -- Yevon -- was a sham. It's basically Yuna trying to find who Yuna really is, and not some shmuck used for the religion she would have sacrificed herself to. Yuna in X is a strong female lead, Yuna in X-2 is a strong female lead who doesn't know her place in the world. I think the way X and X-2 develop Yuna make her the best female character in the series.

that's great and all, but where does that stop her from being insufferable in any dialogue situation? she's a terrible character.

Actually, FFX cast isn't that bad, just compared to most Final Fantasy games they are.

Her dialogue was fine, I just think it was the English version. In X-2, she's fine because they don't attempt to lip sync. In X, they attempted to lip sync and this forced the voice actress to cause Yuna.......to talk.....like.........this.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 18, 2008, 05:37:30 PM
lol
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Post by: CurseoftheGods on December 18, 2008, 07:02:50 PM
LO sucked.
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Post by: cool breeze on December 18, 2008, 07:13:42 PM
LO wasn't bad of what I played, neither was Blue Dragon.  I just didn't feel like going out and buying them right away.

Although Blue Dragon (along with Ratchet PS3) are games that make me wish that Nintendo games like Mario Galaxy were HD.  Blue Dragon look so good.
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Post by: Jansen on December 18, 2008, 07:22:30 PM
lost odyssey is awesome you dumb cunts

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Post by: Bebpo on December 18, 2008, 07:39:42 PM
LO is probably better now that you can install games.

LO is a great rpg with shitty load times, an awful story, and a bland cast.  Cut out the load times and it's not much worse than most big j-rpgs.
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Post by: y2kev on December 18, 2008, 07:45:29 PM
The story completely fell apart once you hit Gohtza. I mean, people say that now for every game (FFs 1-12 have fallen apart, KH falls apart, DQ falls apart, etc.), but this game really got out there. It was FF8ish in terms of coincidence and then the Gohtza king started talking and his words didn't make any sense.

But I still liked the gameplay a bit. It's not as good as FFX...not having the turn order displayed at all times was a very strange decision. The decision to display it after the turn was over rendered it basically useless. The ring system was effective for only half of the party given that it didn't matter much at all with mages. There was little reason to use any of the humans (outside of Seth) at all on disk 4, but that was complicated by how time consuming it became to level and skill grind.

Still really fun though. I think BD is the better game.
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Post by: Jansen on December 18, 2008, 07:51:39 PM
I remember your joint review of LO, didn't you like give a C or a C-?

i hope he didn't because only a moran would score it that low

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Post by: Bebpo on December 18, 2008, 08:26:36 PM
And see where it says  "Loading = F", if installs make that better I would've liked it more :P

The loading in LO is soooooo long every freaking battle.  I hope they make an LO2 with no load time battles once installed.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 18, 2008, 08:34:17 PM
I have a 20gig launch hard drive :\

I can fit *one* disc
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2008, 08:38:50 PM
i have a 20 gig hd

I have 9 gigs left. I don't even know wtf the rest of the 11 gigs are because I wiped my updates when I cleared my cache and I don't have too many xbl games or demos.
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Post by: CurseoftheGods on December 18, 2008, 08:41:02 PM
hahahahahaha you filthy, filthy poors

*strokes 120 gb hdd*
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Post by: CurseoftheGods on December 18, 2008, 08:41:54 PM
yes, you read that right. my xbox dick is 6 times bigger than yours.
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2008, 08:47:05 PM
Fuck Curse.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 18, 2008, 08:48:05 PM
i have a 20 gig hd

I have 9 gigs left. I don't even know wtf the rest of the 11 gigs are because I wiped my updates when I cleared my cache and I don't have too many xbl games or demos.

Yeah, when I wiped everything to make room for installs I could get to maybe 13gigs free max.

I also learned that Bioshock developers are TERRIBLE at compression.  My save game folder was 250megs, that's bigger than most XBLA games.  Every save in Bioshock is 6-12 megs big.  WTF!!!!!!
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Post by: cool breeze on December 18, 2008, 08:58:11 PM
Every save in Bioshock is 6-12 megs big.  WTF!!!!!!

lol

My Bioshock save folder was like 500 megs.  I haven't deleted them since I got my 120 gb hard drive.

I quicksave all the time and hate it when games don't stack quicksaves
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2008, 08:59:31 PM
SMH @ Bioshock
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Post by: dammitmattt on December 19, 2008, 12:19:49 AM
i have a 20 gig hd

I have 9 gigs left. I don't even know wtf the rest of the 11 gigs are because I wiped my updates when I cleared my cache and I don't have too many xbl games or demos.

I always wondered why I was missing space.  I got my answer when I transferred to my 120 GB HD.  Somewhere, hidden on my drive were 3 demos and 5 videos.  It was over 3 GB of wasted space.  There's something not quite right with these HDs...
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Post by: dammitmattt on December 19, 2008, 12:20:58 AM
i have a 20 gig hd

I have 9 gigs left. I don't even know wtf the rest of the 11 gigs are because I wiped my updates when I cleared my cache and I don't have too many xbl games or demos.

Yeah, when I wiped everything to make room for installs I could get to maybe 13gigs free max.

I also learned that Bioshock developers are TERRIBLE at compression.  My save game folder was 250megs, that's bigger than most XBLA games.  Every save in Bioshock is 6-12 megs big.  WTF!!!!!!

That's roughly the same size as Fallout 3 saves.  Fallout 3 saves just a thing or two more than BioShock.  That's crazy.
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Post by: Himu on December 19, 2008, 01:58:30 AM
i have a 20 gig hd

I have 9 gigs left. I don't even know wtf the rest of the 11 gigs are because I wiped my updates when I cleared my cache and I don't have too many xbl games or demos.

I always wondered why I was missing space.  I got my answer when I transferred to my 120 GB HD.  Somewhere, hidden on my drive were 3 demos and 5 videos.  It was over 3 GB of wasted space.  There's something not quite right with these HDs...

what the fuck
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Post by: cool breeze on December 19, 2008, 02:08:59 AM
i have a 20 gig hd

I have 9 gigs left. I don't even know wtf the rest of the 11 gigs are because I wiped my updates when I cleared my cache and I don't have too many xbl games or demos.

I always wondered why I was missing space.  I got my answer when I transferred to my 120 GB HD.  Somewhere, hidden on my drive were 3 demos and 5 videos.  It was over 3 GB of wasted space.  There's something not quite right with these HDs...

I think those were pre-loaded on the hard drive, not the other way around.

One of the demos was Call of Duty 3, right?
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Post by: demi on December 19, 2008, 02:10:02 AM
Who are these LO fans here? As far as I know, only me and Groo got all 1100. Sorry, no fans around here.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 19, 2008, 02:14:32 AM
I traded it in shortly after getting into the second disc.  Didn't have time to play it, and it wasn't keeping my attention well enough
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Post by: demi on December 19, 2008, 02:15:19 AM
Dummy
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Post by: dammitmattt on December 19, 2008, 02:59:04 AM
One of the demos was Call of Duty 3, right?

It was a used hard drive that I made sure was wiped clean.  They were all demos and videos that I remember downloading and then deleting.
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Post by: dammitmattt on December 19, 2008, 03:00:29 AM
Who are these LO fans here? As far as I know, only me and Groo got all 1100. Sorry, no fans around here.

Fuck Treasure Trove right up the ass.  I got everything in the overworld.  I revisited every area 3 or 4 times.  I spent about 3 hours trying to find whatever in the fuck it was that I missed.  Not getting that pissed me off enough that I got rid of it before the DLC hit.

Motherfucker...sorry for the double post....
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Post by: Himu on December 19, 2008, 10:27:35 PM
So the new trailer of XIII, shown at Jump Fiesta today, shows new battle footage. Snow fights some dudes and Shiva fucks them up. Reports are saying the battles look smooth as heck. Need more info.

Apparently there's no random battles. So it'll be like FFXII, but then it'll switch to ATB style which is described to be as more tactical than FFX, faster than FFX-2. Transitions appear to be seamless and Autumn Thread at GAF has said in his impressions that the battles presented in the trailer are the fastest and most ferocious seen in the series.

At this point, I just want the demo.
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Post by: y2kev on December 19, 2008, 10:33:15 PM
IT'S ALMOST TIME
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Post by: Himu on December 19, 2008, 10:33:30 PM
Time for what?
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Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on December 19, 2008, 10:35:07 PM
 :'(
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Post by: y2kev on December 19, 2008, 10:35:27 PM
time for almost, duh

when someone says, it's lunch time, do you say WAT

SMH
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Post by: Bebpo on December 19, 2008, 10:57:34 PM
So the new trailer of XIII, shown at Jump Fiesta today, shows new battle footage. Snow fights some dudes and Shiva fucks them up. Reports are saying the battles look smooth as heck. Need more info.

Apparently there's no random battles. So it'll be like FFXII, but then it'll switch to ATB style which is described to be as more tactical than FFX, faster than FFX-2. Transitions appear to be seamless and Autumn Thread at GAF has said in his impressions that the battles presented in the trailer are the fastest and most ferocious seen in the series.

At this point, I just want the demo.

Oh God WANT  :hyper :heartbeat :hyper
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Post by: Himu on December 19, 2008, 11:00:31 PM
best game series ever is coming back from long dormant sleep.

expect a lot of ff discussion from himu in the coming months.
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Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on December 19, 2008, 11:09:11 PM
 :lol You're such a flip-flop himu.
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Post by: demi on December 19, 2008, 11:18:14 PM
best game series ever is coming back from long dormant sleep.

expect a lot of ff discussion from himu in the coming months.

Can we expect a lot of backpedaling when it turns out to be complete garbage too?
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Post by: cool breeze on December 19, 2008, 11:19:18 PM
XIII sounds great
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Post by: Third on December 19, 2008, 11:50:15 PM
No main FF was ever garbage. So none of these will be either...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
You can die after reading this spoiler if you're a FFXII hater
[close]
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Post by: y2kev on December 20, 2008, 12:17:57 AM
No main FF was ever garbage. So none of these will be either...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
You can die after reading this spoiler if you're a FFXII hater
[close]
well, 2 is kind of garbage
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 20, 2008, 12:21:47 AM
And XII
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Post by: y2kev on December 20, 2008, 12:23:34 AM
And XII
you're stupid and should die

edit: better comeback:

you agree with himumu
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 20, 2008, 12:28:41 AM
Himumu and the rest of EB.  XII is the biggest abortion that Square ever excreted.  And that's including the Bouncer
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Post by: y2kev on December 20, 2008, 12:30:47 AM
lolz okay.
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Post by: cool breeze on December 20, 2008, 12:36:27 AM
I don't get all the hate for FFXII.  I thought it was still good albeit different from previous final fantasy games.  People treat it as if it's a terrible game like GTA4 or something.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 20, 2008, 12:37:28 AM
I wanted to like it man, I really did.  I've started it up on four separate occasions really determined to give it another shot, but they battle system is the most broken and mangled piece of shit I've encountered in an RPG, and that's coming from a Kingdom Hearts fan.  It had a lot going for it: awesome characters and atmosphere, and what I'm sure is great music, but when I can't play the game and walk through hordes and hordes of fuckheads and walk through even MORE rooms that are pointless, I can't take it.
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Post by: y2kev on December 20, 2008, 12:43:20 AM
When you throw around words like "broken" and "mangled," it just becomes a complete joke. Are some of the aspects of the system underdeveloped? Sure. And are there some minor balance issues? Yes, I'd never use a measure. Does the license board always make sense for every build? No.

Is it broken? Do you know what you're saying?

Almost every FF has easily exploitable systems. I don't think any of them are broken except for 2, where things literally do not work unless you exploit things.

"hordes and hordes of fuckheads" = sounds pretty much like every final fantasy, except this one lacks random battles and gives you plenty of options to remove the tedium of the treadmill grind
"even more rooms that are pointless" = what's the point of playing any game? to explore? sense of wonder? adventure? fun? why not just watch it on youtube.

FFXII isn't perfect and FFXIIi is definitely improved. But the hyperbolic nonsense that gets flung at this game like it's some horrific mess is untenable. This is the company that published Dirge of Cerberus or Driving Emotion.
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Post by: demi on December 20, 2008, 12:54:04 AM
I don't like how every character can learn and equip everything. It's just so boring. FF6 had the same problem with the Espers.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 20, 2008, 01:17:10 AM
It is broken, considering you can pretty much cheat.  When a game advertises a feature where you basically don't control the game I consider that broken.
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Post by: Himu on December 20, 2008, 02:10:41 AM
I don't get all the hate for FFXII.  I thought it was still good albeit different from previous final fantasy games.  People treat it as if it's a terrible game like GTA4 or something.

It is. Unlike GTAIV, though. We didn't wait 5 years for it.
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Post by: Himu on December 20, 2008, 02:12:41 AM
:lol You're such a flip-flop himu.

How? I'm probably the biggest FF faggurt here. Everyone knows I'm the guy who makes all the FF topics.

FFXII sucking balls, however, has put a major dent in my fandom. If FFXIII makes up for that garbage game then all is well in the world.
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Post by: Jansen on December 20, 2008, 02:17:50 AM
so there was some new trailer with gameplay but it wasn't publicly shown...

wow that's fucking awesome. time to get excited.  ::)

xiii better be all that or i'm writing the series off forever.
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Post by: Himu on December 20, 2008, 02:25:12 AM
this xiii better be all that or i'm writing the series off forever.

This.
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Post by: Rman on December 20, 2008, 02:25:25 AM
The only time I spent with XII was the pack in demo that came with Dragon Quest VIII.  I couldn't get into it so I skipped that installment.  I absolutely loved FFX, though.  One of favorites of all time.  I'm so excited the series is returning to that template.  Is FFX2 worth playing?
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Post by: Himu on December 20, 2008, 02:27:48 AM
Yes. best FF on the ps2.
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Post by: Jansen on December 20, 2008, 02:32:03 AM
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Is FFX2 worth playing?

depends.

how big of a japafag are you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyqX1SNuwzc

smh @ j-pop
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Post by: Himu on December 20, 2008, 02:33:58 AM
I like how people bring up the intro when the intro should be a bullet point reason to buy the game. It's hilarious.

Also, FFX-2 has the best gameplay in the entire series.
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Post by: cool breeze on December 20, 2008, 02:35:02 AM
X-2 has a really fun combat system
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Post by: Himu on December 20, 2008, 02:43:52 AM
FFXII is broken because a lot of its game design doesn't even come off as complete. Quikenings? wtf were they thinking? License board. Shit. Gambits? Shit. Trying to play the game on full speed WITHOUT gambits = impossible, thus game is broken. Game doesn't cater to multiple play styles and instead makes playing the traditional way a total chore.

"hordes and hordes of fuckheads" = sounds pretty much like every final fantasy, except this one lacks random battles and gives you plenty of options to remove the tedium of the treadmill grind

Except FFXII is the most grind heavy FF in the series in some time. Also, FFXII's world is so unimaginative. It's like, a bunch of boring monsters one after another. Very little sense of civilization. Very little sense of culture. A bunch of maps tied together to form quite possibly the most forgettable world in a high budget jrpg ever.

Quote
"even more rooms that are pointless" = what's the point of playing any game? to explore? sense of wonder? adventure? fun? why not just watch it on youtube.

Except that FFXII makes exploration boring as fuck.

Quote
FFXII isn't perfect and FFXIIi is definitely improved. But the hyperbolic nonsense that gets flung at this game like it's some horrific mess is untenable. This is the company that published Dirge of Cerberus or Driving Emotion.

But we didn't wait 5 years for DoC or DE! Also, lots of promising features from DoC and DE weren't taken out of their final releases! I remember in the demo where the T-rex hunted the mandrogora and how different enemies reacted to and fought each other on a regular basis. That made me fall in love with the demo and potentially FFXII. Nope! Instead, FFXII turns out to be FFXI in a single player game with half the personality.
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Post by: Himu on December 20, 2008, 02:51:35 AM
FFXII is so bad it made Matsuno commit seppuku
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Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on December 20, 2008, 09:03:46 AM
:lol You're such a flip-flop himu.

How? I'm probably the biggest FF faggurt here. Everyone knows I'm the guy who makes all the FF topics.

FFXII sucking balls, however, has put a major dent in my fandom. If FFXIII makes up for that garbage game then all is well in the world.

Because sometimes you're totally in love with the series and you want to get married to it, and other times, you're willing to file for divorce.

You're currently picking out a ring. I know you love the series, I just notice your appreciation for it goes up and down.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 20, 2008, 12:09:05 PM
FFXII is so bad it made Matsuno commit seppuku

 :lol
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Post by: Himu on December 20, 2008, 12:18:31 PM
:lol You're such a flip-flop himu.

How? I'm probably the biggest FF faggurt here. Everyone knows I'm the guy who makes all the FF topics.

FFXII sucking balls, however, has put a major dent in my fandom. If FFXIII makes up for that garbage game then all is well in the world.

Because sometimes you're totally in love with the series and you want to get married to it, and other times, you're willing to file for divorce.

You're currently picking out a ring. I know you love the series, I just notice your appreciation for it goes up and down.

No shit. When you haven't gotten a traditional Final Fantasy since 2001, almost a fucking decade, that's what happens. As much as I love FFX-2, it would be better if they didn't even put FF on the box. I envy the people who like FFXII. They got a Final Fantasy they can enjoy. I haven't gotten one since 2001. This will make you bitter.

This is my last hurrah. If FFXIII sucks, I'm out. Might as well go with a bang, right?
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Post by: Don Flamenco on December 20, 2008, 12:20:08 PM
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Trying to play the game on full speed WITHOUT gambits = impossible, thus game is broken. Game doesn't cater to multiple play styles and instead makes playing the traditional way a total chore.


WOW WTF

Try playing street fighter without punch buttons = impossible, thus game is broken.  Try playing pac man without power pills = impossible, thus game is broken.  Try playing Tales Of Vesperia without pocky = impossible, thus game is broken.  

and when has FF ever catered to different play styles?  you assign some characters to a specific task, exploit enemy weaknesses, and that's about it.  Final Fantasy games, if not played like a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, keep you leveled above your enemies pretty much the whole time, unless you wander to the wrong area.  There are some tough spots...probably less than 15 genuinely difficult fights in an entire FF game. They aren't the deepest games at all.
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Post by: Himu on December 20, 2008, 12:25:00 PM
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Trying to play the game on full speed WITHOUT gambits = impossible, thus game is broken. Game doesn't cater to multiple play styles and instead makes playing the traditional way a total chore.


WOW WTF

Try playing street fighter without punch buttons = impossible, thus game is broken.  Try playing pac man without power pills = impossible, thus game is broken.  Try playing Tales Of Vesperia without pocky = impossible, thus game is broken.  

and when has FF ever catered to different play styles?  you assign some characters to a specific task, exploit enemy weaknesses, and that's about it.  Final Fantasy games, if not played like a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, keep you leveled above your enemies pretty much the whole time, unless you wander to the wrong area.  They aren't the deepest games at all.

Are you really comparing Gambits to eating Pocky while playing ToV? Travesty.

It has always catered to multiple play styles. This is why they have Active/Wait and Fastest/Slowest speed in the first place.

In FFXII it is impossible to play on Active with the fastest speed without gambits because the menu is so damn cumbersum. Press x to open menu, select ability. Press X, press right to go to the next character and dial in his stuff. Press X, press left, enter his stuff. It's impossible. I put it on wait mode to my detriment, and the game was definitely more enjoyable then, but I can't stand wait mode in FF's. I still do the Press X, confirm; press x, press right, confirm; press x, press left, confirm shit in wait mode. I've done that for 54 hours of play time and it's the ONLY way I can get some enjoyment out of FFXII, which is a travesty.

BUYING AI
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 20, 2008, 12:40:40 PM
:bow himumumumumumu :bow2
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Post by: Don Flamenco on December 20, 2008, 12:52:28 PM
Quote
Trying to play the game on full speed WITHOUT gambits = impossible, thus game is broken. Game doesn't cater to multiple play styles and instead makes playing the traditional way a total chore.


WOW WTF

Try playing street fighter without punch buttons = impossible, thus game is broken.  Try playing pac man without power pills = impossible, thus game is broken.  Try playing Tales Of Vesperia without pocky = impossible, thus game is broken.  

and when has FF ever catered to different play styles?  you assign some characters to a specific task, exploit enemy weaknesses, and that's about it.  Final Fantasy games, if not played like a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, keep you leveled above your enemies pretty much the whole time, unless you wander to the wrong area.  They aren't the deepest games at all.

Are you really comparing Gambits to eating Pocky while playing ToV? Travesty.

It has always catered to multiple play styles. This is why they have Active/Wait and Fastest/Slowest speed in the first place.

In FFXII it is impossible to play on Active with the fastest speed without gambits because the menu is so damn cumbersum. Press x to open menu, select ability. Press X, press right to go to the next character and dial in his stuff. Press X, press left, enter his stuff. It's impossible. I put it on wait mode to my detriment, and the game was definitely more enjoyable then, but I can't stand wait mode in FF's. I still do the Press X, confirm; press x, press right, confirm; press x, press left, confirm shit in wait mode. I've done that for 54 hours of play time and it's the ONLY way I can get some enjoyment out of FFXII, which is a travesty.

BUYING AI

That's the game trying to tell you to use gambits.  It's a necessary part of the game.  Also, Wait/Active/Fast/Slow is not about different play styles.  those are basically the difficulty level setting in FF.

I thought everyone agreed that FFXII took away the illusion of control that's present in most FF games. So instead of hitting X a thousand times to tell party members to do the same shit, you set up a general plan with gambits, then micromanage characters when necessary.

Himumumu + BrandNew = too dumb to figure out XII confirmed.
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Post by: Diunx on December 20, 2008, 01:20:43 PM


Apparently there's no random battles.

I'm so glad that they didn't go bad to random battles bullshit :)
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Post by: maxy on December 20, 2008, 01:41:26 PM
FF XII sux

Hopefully FF XIII will be much better.
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Post by: Third on December 20, 2008, 01:59:03 PM
FFXII was my GOTY 2006 & 2007

The haters can suck me dry.  :-*
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 20, 2008, 02:38:25 PM
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Himumumu + BrandNew = too dumb to figure out XII confirmed.

might as well add the entire shat pack as well
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 20, 2008, 02:50:34 PM
FFXII was brilliant. I turned off all the Gambits and did everything manually. I never understood the hate.
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Post by: Error2k4 on December 20, 2008, 03:35:39 PM
Seamless? :sigh

does this means the level design will be dogshit like IU/FFXII? More lame corridor design to accommodate enemies and PCs.

Seamless battles are neat and all, but level design takes a HUGE hit because of all the shit the designers have to take into account.
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Post by: Don Flamenco on December 20, 2008, 04:45:07 PM
where are the new scans?
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Post by: Purple Filth on December 20, 2008, 04:54:21 PM
where are the new scans?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/Kruff/21.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/Kruff/22.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/Kruff/23.jpg)


"Pig tail girl"  name is revealed and is as ridiculous as the rest of the cast so far.  :lol
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Post by: Oblivion on December 20, 2008, 04:57:09 PM
Never played FFXII before, so I can't comment on its quality. However, I feel given a few years, it will be seen as a messageboard darling for trying something new, kinda like Majora's Mask or something (since that seems to be the way internet counterculture works). So don't fret, kev. :)
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Post by: Vizzys on December 20, 2008, 05:01:23 PM
Never played FFXII before, so I can't comment on its quality. However, I feel given a few years, it will be seen as a messageboard darling for trying something new, kinda like Majora's Mask or something (since that seems to be the way internet counterculture works). So don't fret, kev. :)

nope it sucks and will always remain so

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Post by: demi on December 20, 2008, 05:13:07 PM
Never played FFXII before, so I can't comment on its quality. However, I feel given a few years, it will be seen as a messageboard darling for trying something new, kinda like Majora's Mask or something (since that seems to be the way internet counterculture works). So don't fret, kev. :)

Good one, but you forgot that Majora's Mask is the best Zelda and FFXII is (one of) the worst Final Fantasies
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Post by: Himu on December 20, 2008, 08:29:37 PM
Those scans are zomg.

Never played FFXII before, so I can't comment on its quality. However, I feel given a few years, it will be seen as a messageboard darling for trying something new, kinda like Majora's Mask or something (since that seems to be the way internet counterculture works). So don't fret, kev. :)

Majora's Mask is the best Zelda. FFXII is the worst FF.


That's the game trying to tell you to use gambits.  It's a necessary part of the game.  Also, Wait/Active/Fast/Slow is not about different play styles.  those are basically the difficulty level setting in FF.

I thought everyone agreed that FFXII took away the illusion of control that's present in most FF games. So instead of hitting X a thousand times to tell party members to do the same shit, you set up a general plan with gambits, then micromanage characters when necessary.

Himumumu + BrandNew = too dumb to figure out XII confirmed.

I don't like gambits though. I think they make the game too boring.

My FF and rpg playstyle in a nutshell: Highest speed, active. Limit characters to specific roles and equip only specific equipment.

At the outset I did this:

Vaan - Assassin; thief that could equip swords and daggers, light armor.
Ashe - White Mage, summoner; could only equip wands, stavs, balances, robes, light armor. Only learn white and green magic.
Balthier - Gunner/Archer; can only equip bows and guns, light to mid armor, no magic except basics like Libra.
Basch - Dark Knight; can equip all types of swords, axes, lances; can learn dark magic, emphasis on heavy armor.
Fran - Red Mage; can use all types of magic; equip light and mid armor; uses 1h or 2h swords but nothing extremely heavy.
Penelo - Black mage; can only use black magic, equips wands, stavs, and balances.

Despite all of these limitations I put in my party, they still all felt the same. The license board, due to how it is designed disabled me to make my own custom characters. Some of them learned things I never wanted them to learn just so I could get to what I DID want them to learn. I'm anal like that. The game forced its own play style on me without allowing me to play the way I always play rpgs. This is why FFXII is a failure. I ended up using Fran, Balthier, and Basch as my main team the entire game. Everyone else is like level 7 or something. They're like level 40's and 50's.

Even in FFVI, VII, and VIII, games that are often commented as having copy pasta characters I don't teach the characters same stuff. in FFVI I ONLY teach Celes and Terra spells from espers. Everyone else uses their own skills.

The last game of FFVII I played, I made Cloud my general red mage; he could ONLY equip healing and attack magic, on top of things like hp plus and 2x cut. Red XIII was my beast master; he could ONLY equip materia related to monsters -- whether it be enemy skill, summoning, or even manipulating them. Yuffie was my general luck based character; she could ONLY equip Throw, and materia like Frog or Mini. All of them totally different, but with roles that fit their characters in the story.

In FFVIII I played last time, Squall was my general tank; HP high in the thousands, ridiculous accuracy and strength stat; he could ONLY uses str-j, hp-j, def-j and status atk-j junctions. I gave specific GF to compliment this style so he could learn things such as Darkside, stuff that's TOTALLY Squall. Selphie was my white mage; she could ONLY junction mag-j, and later hp-j. Her role was using white magic the entire game. Since her limit break is totally luck based, I also made her my thief, and my card-er. Her role was to keep the party in check, whether it be card every enemy I come across (my playstyle in FFVIII, not kill them), steal rare items for the party, and keep their hp up. Rinoa was my black mage, summoner. Which is totally Rinoa given her limit break and what happens in the story. Irvine was my berserker; Irvine throughout the story is a man who is always laid back but I always got the feeling he had a more sinister side since he's such a womanizer. Thus he was a berserker. He could ONLY junction to str-J. Zell was my monk, he could only junction to str-j and def-j, his gf abilities included Counter and Cover. Quistis was my blue mage. Basically, I kept her hp low every time I used her so I could use her blue magic. She could ONLY junction to mag-j.

Now see where I'm going here? See the multiple ways I could play with the characters in the FF's before FFXII? That's what I mean by play style. FFXII, though, is the only FF where I can't play it the way I want. This is why the game design is broken and incomplete, it doesn't allow players to the play the way they want to due to 1. the shitty customization 2. the strong emphasis on gambits.

I figured out FFXII. It's not hard to figure the game. It's just that the game is easily the most boring high budget jrpg I've ever played. I'd rather play Suikoden IV or Xenosaga II than that game.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 20, 2008, 08:33:03 PM
I don't like gambits though. I think they make the game too boring.

You could... you know... oh, TURN OFF THE GAMBITS!!!
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Post by: Himu on December 20, 2008, 08:43:55 PM
I can't believe we have gameplay pics for this game.

What does that shit say in that one image of Lightning and that dude?

But Jesus Christ in pink socks... look at the art and the background in that image. OMGGG FINAL FANTASY.

:rock :rock FINAL FANTASY :rock :rock

:piss :piss boring plains full of boring monsters :piss2 :piss2

:bow :bow AWESOME ART :bow2 :bow2
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Post by: Oblivion on December 20, 2008, 08:54:03 PM
Never played FFXII before, so I can't comment on its quality. However, I feel given a few years, it will be seen as a messageboard darling for trying something new, kinda like Majora's Mask or something (since that seems to be the way internet counterculture works). So don't fret, kev. :)

Good one, but you forgot that Majora's Mask is the best Zelda and FFXII is (one of) the worst Final Fantasies

Never played FFXII before, so I can't comment on its quality. However, I feel given a few years, it will be seen as a messageboard darling for trying something new, kinda like Majora's Mask or something (since that seems to be the way internet counterculture works). So don't fret, kev. :)

Majora's Mask is the best Zelda. FFXII is the worst FF.

The quality is irrelevant, honkies. It'll be loved years from now solely based on its underratedness.
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Post by: Don Flamenco on December 20, 2008, 09:08:58 PM
Christ Himuro, I didn't ask for your FF life story.  though I'm impressed you remember all that :lol it's fine that you don't like gambits, but they're also the key to playing XII the way you would want to play it.  Almost all the customization in XII comes from gambits.  I know you don't like the way that works out, but all the customization you could want is there. 

I found in XII that most of the game was spent specializing characters on the license board, but in the end, you can go crazy and just get everything for everyone. but once you get to that point you still have to divide up tasks with...gambits.  It's just not as artificial and pre-set as other FF games.    

anyway, I don't think XII is the most amazing game in the world or anything, but it still blows away most RPGs that have come out since then (besides the persona games, maybe.)

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The quality is irrelevant, honkies. It'll be loved years from now solely based on its underratedness.


awesome. so I'll get to be a "I liked FFXII before it was cool" guy 8)
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Post by: demi on December 20, 2008, 09:26:27 PM
Never played FFXII before, so I can't comment on its quality. However, I feel given a few years, it will be seen as a messageboard darling for trying something new, kinda like Majora's Mask or something (since that seems to be the way internet counterculture works). So don't fret, kev. :)

Good one, but you forgot that Majora's Mask is the best Zelda and FFXII is (one of) the worst Final Fantasies

Never played FFXII before, so I can't comment on its quality. However, I feel given a few years, it will be seen as a messageboard darling for trying something new, kinda like Majora's Mask or something (since that seems to be the way internet counterculture works). So don't fret, kev. :)

Majora's Mask is the best Zelda. FFXII is the worst FF.

The quality is irrelevant, honkies. It'll be loved years from now solely based on its underratedness.

I'm pretty sure you don't get it at all. Don't you have some Wii game to play or something.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
or a job to look for
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Post by: Oblivion on December 20, 2008, 09:33:19 PM
No, I'm pretty sure YOU don't get it at all.

Game comes out, is loved by critics for trying something new, but lambasted on messageboards for the new gameplay mechanics for being too different and/or unfun.

It's not that hard.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
shouldn't you be oiling your wheelchair?
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Post by: demi on December 20, 2008, 09:34:30 PM
What's new about Final Fantasy XII? You do know Auto-Fight has been in RPGs for a while now? lol

Now go play your underrated Wii game, lol
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Post by: Oblivion on December 20, 2008, 09:38:55 PM
Isn't that gambit system or whatever new?
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Post by: MCD on December 20, 2008, 09:40:04 PM
ff12 is ff11 offline.

old and shit.
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Post by: demi on December 20, 2008, 09:40:54 PM
Gambit system is just assigning hotkeys. Nothin new.
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Post by: Don Flamenco on December 20, 2008, 09:48:53 PM
Gambit system is just assigning hotkeys. Nothin new.


it's more like telling your characters to do in advance...I guess it's like programming your own AI.
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Post by: demi on December 20, 2008, 09:58:43 PM
Woah that's totally new
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 20, 2008, 10:04:05 PM
and its also shit
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Post by: demi on December 20, 2008, 10:05:36 PM
Consider it underrated
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 20, 2008, 10:06:22 PM
lol
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Post by: demi on December 20, 2008, 10:08:15 PM
I liked it. It's more fun then having to command your chars every fucking turn.

Good idea. You should set it to Auto Fight then!
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Post by: demi on December 20, 2008, 10:08:42 PM
(http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8116/demithejewvz6.jpg)
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 20, 2008, 10:10:12 PM
/FFX had one of the most seamless, fast,  and intuitive battle systems I've played, and guess what?  You commanded each character every single turn.
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Post by: demi on December 20, 2008, 10:12:19 PM
I hear there's an auto fight option too
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Post by: y2kev on December 20, 2008, 10:14:00 PM
Is that a comment on RPGs or a comment on the small number of RPGs you play? It's no more or less seamless than every other FF with a screen crash and a battle screen, it's about as fast as most of the other games given you can swap in any character you want at any time (and slower than X-2...), and strategy...yeah, it would be (I really like uneven turns for uneven actions) provided the game wasn't an extended fest of 3-4 monster rock-paper-scissors.

I think the fastest battles are something like DQ4, where an average battle lasts less than 10 seconds if you're quick.
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Post by: demi on December 20, 2008, 10:20:36 PM
Good idea. You should set it to Auto Fight then!

Is autofight as complex as the gambit system? no.



Oh heh, sorry, I guess there is room for evolution to the if then else structure of things. Maybe FFXIII will allow arrays LOL
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Post by: cool breeze on December 20, 2008, 10:21:57 PM
the only real problem I had with the FF12 combat is that you could either have the command menu paused or real time instead of one button letting you pause the game and select while another is all real time.  For quick enemies or times when you level up, it would have been nicer to have flights happen as I selected the next action.
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Post by: y2kev on December 20, 2008, 10:23:14 PM
Yeah, I switched back and forth. I generally went to wait for bosses. But I also kept gambits off the main character.
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Post by: Oblivion on December 20, 2008, 10:52:43 PM
Well I dunno what FFXII did that was new, but you hear people complaining about it all the time.


Also, enough with the lame Wii jokes demi. I don't even LIKE Nintendo.  :maf
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Post by: demi on December 20, 2008, 10:53:18 PM
I guess that's what makes them so underrated
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Post by: Oblivion on December 20, 2008, 10:55:32 PM
(http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8116/demithejewvz6.jpg)
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Post by: demi on December 20, 2008, 10:56:56 PM
best pic ever... dude
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Post by: Himu on December 20, 2008, 11:03:52 PM
Well I dunno what FFXII did that was new, but you hear people complaining about it all the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9ObZ3hbC4U

Tell me this doesn't look like the most boring rpg ever.

They heal you, revive you, do everything for you and the game is DESIGNED to play like that. Now do you see why FFXII sucks?
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Post by: Positive Touch on December 20, 2008, 11:38:29 PM
Well I dunno what FFXII did that was new, but you hear people complaining about it all the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9ObZ3hbC4U

Tell me this doesn't look like the most boring rpg ever.

They heal you, revive you, do everything for you and the game is DESIGNED to play like that. Now do you see why FFXII sucks?

wow if only they would have given all of the monsters and bosses in an area a bunch of different special attacks so that you couldn't possibly enter in enough gambits to cover all your bases

oh wait coming up with your own gambit lists isn't actually playing the game; it only counts if you manually tell each party member to do the same attack over and over and over

and too bad there isn't some sort of middle ground, so that your party will only carry out a limited number of actions while you are free to manually do all the other shit yourself
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Post by: CurseoftheGods on December 20, 2008, 11:44:19 PM
FFXII is a good B level RPG, but it's the worst 3D Final Fantasy in my opinion.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 21, 2008, 01:24:44 AM
Well I dunno what FFXII did that was new, but you hear people complaining about it all the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9ObZ3hbC4U

Tell me this doesn't look like the most boring rpg ever.

They heal you, revive you, do everything for you and the game is DESIGNED to play like that. Now do you see why FFXII sucks?

Hey loser, turn off the gambits when you're playing.

STOP IGNORING ME.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 21, 2008, 01:26:05 AM
Thats why it's broken.
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Post by: tiesto on December 21, 2008, 10:03:28 AM
There were some XII bosses I beat without ever once touching the controller. Stuff like this made the game feel very disconnected to me. Like, I was just moving across all these boring, repetitive maps and collecting really mediocre loot (going all that way for a measely 56gil?), while my guys handled everything.

The only real areas in XII that are the slightest bit of fun, and exploit the game system interestingly, are the summon monsters and a few of the hunts. But they are all optional.
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Post by: y2kev on December 21, 2008, 11:11:18 AM
The summon monsters are the worst parts  :-X They're basically rebalanced in FFXIIi to be worthwhile.
 
The hunts are great, but the last few are crazy.
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Post by: Himu on December 21, 2008, 02:13:11 PM
DISTANT I AM NOT IGNORING YOU. I said explicitly that I turn off gambits when playing on wait mode. The game is much more pleasant that way but it's still not fun to me mostly because of the controls I listed on the last page. :( Press x, look through command menu, confirm. Press x, press right, go through menu, confirm. Press x, press left, look through menu, confirm. ARGH. The only gambits I use are when leader attacks, rest of party attacks.

I want to beat FFXII before 2010. I at the imperial capital and fought Cid. He owned me for some reason. I'll boot it back up after xmas break.

Anyways IMPRESSIONS:

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As for the new characters..

I would not call the big new male character's hairstyle an afro, but his hair does look like somebody put a tube over his head and then his scalp exploded, permanently frying his hair up in fine DBZ fashion. It's not long and ridiculously spiky, though. Just... exploded. His hair is VERY orange, and he either has it shaved into thin zig zag shave patterns on the sides of his head or he has a lot of tiny zig zagging braids there. He appears to be wearing a frayed or fur trimmed blue vest and is pretty clearly black. He is wearing off-white to khaki colored long shorts with simple gold patterns on them. He also has a silver necklace with a rectangular, flat silver pendant, wide sides horizontal. He's present mostly in the prison break scenes, helping Snow and the other new male and female characters, although he is the only character I was able to identify for sure on the train with Lightning before she broke out.

As for the younger new male, the first thing that came to my mind upon seeing him was Gippal, probably because of his blond hair and main colors pink and black outfit. He wears goggle-like headgear on his forehead. He does not look 'shota' to me, but he does look young compared to Lightning, Snow and big black new dude. He is blond. He looks to be older than pigtails girl by a couple years. He does talk with an affect. For people who know some Japanese, he tacks 'sska' onto the end of 'ja nai ka' questions to make 'ja nai sska' and 'ja nai ssu'. I don't know exactly the real life implications of the affect, whether its regional, age or culture, but it does exist in real Japanese speech. He seems to often have complaints about situations and courses of action, but help out regardless.

New female character reminds me of Yuffie a little, but her hair is at least shoulder length and appears to be tied back. She does not appear to be very patient. She has a purplish butterfly tattoo visible on her shoulder from the back. I think it's her right shoulder. Her outfit's colors are yellow, white and purple. She is wearing a very short, ruffled layered yellow skirt. She shows considerable amounts of skin compared to Lightning and Vanille. She's also wearing something like knee high fishnet socks. I believe she is shown using a gun.

As for what's happening in the actual trailer, there seems to be two separate parts being told at the same time.

First, there is Lightning rescuing Oerba Dia Vanille on a train with the three new characters and Snow. This scene takes place in the very green colored area with all the train tracks suspended in the air, visible in this image.

I'm not sure about the trailers' order of shown events, as both covered similar events while including different scenes, but the story follows this way..

Lightning and the new black character are on the prisoners' train, dressed in the same white outfits we have seen Oerba Dia Vanille wear when she is captured. They are sitting with several other prisoners. All of them are restrained by some kind of force from the wrist areas of the clothes they are wearing. They talk quietly and briefly to each other, and suddenly the train hits what appears to be some kind of force field barricade set up on its tracks, and begins to run out of control. Lightning jumps out to attack and crushes a remote control-like device with her foot, releasing all the prisoners from their hand bindings. Lightning waves her hand past her hip and begins to generate what looks like an electrical field around herself but appears to be connected to her gravity based abilities.

The large dragon-like flying beasts we have seen before attack the out of control train, seemingly in an attempt to stop Lightning from hijacking it. She shoots at them from the train with a large bazooka-like gun. Eventually they knock the train off its tracks.

The fighting ends up outside, where all the other new characters plus Snow join in. They have a lot of help in the form of what appears to be a small rebel force, armed with what appear to be standard, bullet-firing guns of fair power. Some of the train rails have been destroyed by the fighting, and the rebels assisting Lightning and company are entrenched in the rubble.

The people who escaped the train when Lightning broke out want to help them fight, and eventually Snow consents to letting them figh to. Among the escapees is Oerba Dia Vanille, who Snow gives a gun to. She takes it, pretends to aim it at an enemy, and says "Bang!"

The fighting seems to get worse, and a heavily armored enemy airship arrives. It blows away a good portion of the resisting fighters with one cannon blast, and Snow is knocked off the train rail while attempting to rescue another fighter and falls from view.

The scene changes to Lightning on a platform with a character who does not appear to be a main playable character by lack of remarkable clothing (His name is possibly Sazzu by the menus). The other character is a male in very plain clothing, although he appears to follow her around for some time as she moves and fights, possibly a guide character.

Lots of fight scenes are strung together, seemingly more for the purpose of showing off the battle menues than carrying the story forward, as eventually it breaks off to the second main storyline focus area: Lightning, Snow and Vanille in the frozen-looking lake area.

There are scenes of them fighting both monsters and soldiers there, and at one point Snow summons Shiva and uses her in battle to attack. Among his menus when using Shiva are attacks called "Diamond Dust" and "Engine". The attack he performs causes damage in many separate increments. In a scene we've seen in magazine scans, Vanille mentions she has seen "that" before, she thinks, although what "it" is is unclear.

Depending on which trailer you're watching, a dialogue about someone named Sera plays either over a scene near the battle at the train tracks area or in lip synch between Lightning and Snow in the frozen lake area, where Snow mentions Sera and Lightning becomes angry at him for not saving Sera, claiming it was his fault that whatever happened to her happened. Snow seems to believe that he can still save her, but Lightning thinks nothing can be done about it anymore. She hits him twice, and both appear to be near tears. He stops her with something he says about what he thinks he can do. (I believe she asks "What is it you think you can do, huh?" in regards to how to save Sera and he replies "Anything!")The blue golem-like creatures are present during some of the voice over conversation. It seems they are somehow connected to what happened to Sera. (Sorry, I'm fairly unsure about the goings on outside the train fighting scenes).

Throughout the train section of the trailers, many, many charactes are shown, most of whom appear to be rebel fighters and escapees from the train, but I've only described in detail the ones who have been seen in gameplay combat or who have unique clothing.

At some point in time (it's shown at the beginning of a trailer, but I can't pin it down chronologically), Vanille is shown standing outside in her white hooded outfit in the green-lit train area, and she mentions the "beginning of the end of the world."

The large green creature/statue like object in the first linked image also features quite prominently in the trailer, but I'm not sure what it is or what it means. In the version where talk of Sera is dubbed over the train scenes, it appears quite often while the conversation plays.
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Post by: Purple Filth on December 21, 2008, 05:28:53 PM
sounds very interesting.

now... which system to get it for....
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Post by: Himu on December 22, 2008, 02:34:48 PM
- Like XII, you view the enemies on the field of battle and have the ability to get out of the way

- Pics are from inside Cocoon

- If you have contact with the PSICOM (name of the soldier enemy) they whip out their guns and weapons and the battle begins

- The transition from exploring to transitioning is a simple camera and character lock and the menu pops up. Essentially the same thing as Chrono Trigger

- Also like the SNES game, you fight whatever enemies that are in the vicinity of your screen

- Before you enter into battle, you can take out your sword to ensure you get first attack, but at a cost (not mentioned what tho)

- During battles you can freely execute your attacks with whatever choice of combos and abilities you choose (?)

- During a battle, you can't just keep choosing attack or the enemy will gang bang Lightning (or Vanille... or Snow...) so try chaining attack followed by a Fire spell and see what happens! (their words not mine.. gang bang seems like an H-game lol)

- Chaining abilities like that will change the nature of the attack (?)


:hyper :hyper :hyper :hyper :hyper
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Post by: Vizzys on December 22, 2008, 02:48:53 PM
none of those pics work for me

rehost em or something
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Post by: Himu on December 22, 2008, 02:54:52 PM
doing now
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2008, 03:00:03 PM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/ilhvsn.jpg)

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2pzad5c.jpg)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/10y2qo1.jpg)

(http://i44.tinypic.com/22nbck.jpg)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2dspb3d.jpg)

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2u5ufyd.jpg)

(http://i41.tinypic.com/30i9ff5.jpg)

(http://i42.tinypic.com/21prvm.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2ro2689.jpg)

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2m31ag6.jpg)

:hyper :hyper :hyper :hyper :hyper
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Post by: Vizzys on December 22, 2008, 03:02:00 PM
mecha shiva!
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Post by: Himu on December 22, 2008, 03:03:20 PM
omg that art

THE ART!!!! :hyper :hyper
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Post by: MCD on December 22, 2008, 03:03:26 PM
mecha shiva is my new fetish.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: Vizzys on December 22, 2008, 03:12:50 PM
mecha shiva is my new fetish.

(http://xs134.xs.to/xs134/08521/1f0dbba9255206acd0b29fd11a72e06e925.gif)
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Post by: Himu on December 22, 2008, 03:16:25 PM
when can i pre order the ff13 demo

i am willing to pay 60 dollars
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Post by: MCD on December 22, 2008, 03:19:01 PM
scratch that, this is my new fetish.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Himu on December 22, 2008, 03:21:10 PM
:lol
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Post by: Purple Filth on December 22, 2008, 08:15:50 PM
scratch that, this is my new fetish.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i41.tinypic.com/25u47mc.jpg)
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 :lol

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Post by: Rman on December 22, 2008, 08:18:16 PM
These games must have crazy budgets.  No wonder Square went multi with XIII.
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Post by: Jansen on December 22, 2008, 10:11:16 PM
mecha shiva looks SO FUCKING DUMB. as does carbuncle to a much lesser extent
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 22, 2008, 11:18:59 PM
Is that Amano art?
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Post by: y2kev on December 22, 2008, 11:34:03 PM
It doesn't really look like Amano to me. I doubt it.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 22, 2008, 11:48:09 PM
Yeah you're right, it's not.  But Ifrit looks vuuuuurry similar to an Amano design.

This game looks tight.
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Post by: dammitmattt on December 23, 2008, 12:25:36 AM
So it only took Square 13 years to realize that Chrono Trigger's battle system was really fucking good?
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Post by: Himu on December 23, 2008, 12:28:46 AM
rofl

Yeah I guess.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 23, 2008, 02:22:54 PM
Quote
It doesn't really look like Amano to me. I doubt it.

Uh, it's not that hard to see who did them since they have SIGNATURES and all.  The world art is by Isamu Kamikokuryo (who also did the promotional artwork for FF12, like this piece: (http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/ff12/art-002.jpg)), the summon art is by Chikako Nakano.
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Post by: y2kev on December 23, 2008, 02:23:57 PM
I wasn't sure if Chikako was a first name or last name so I wasn't sure if it was a signature or just someone writing funny werds
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 23, 2008, 02:31:02 PM
Quote
So it only took Square 13 years to realize that Chrono Trigger's battle system was really fucking good?

how is it like Chrono Trigger?
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 23, 2008, 09:41:29 PM
also

 :yuck Hamauzu 2.0 : Bland Edition  :'(
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Post by: Don Flamenco on December 23, 2008, 10:25:11 PM
fuck this shit, where's vagrant story 2

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Post by: Himu on December 23, 2008, 10:43:07 PM
also

 :yuck Hamauzu 2.0 : Bland Edition  :'(

Yeah :(

Sounds like something off of FFXII.
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Post by: Purple Filth on December 24, 2008, 01:53:05 AM
famitsu scans are out, basically like the v-jump stuff (Red Hair girl's name, battle screens, etc)

(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1356/viploader883240ia6.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/Kruff/ffxiiiscan1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/Kruff/ffxiiiscan2.jpg)

(http://img206.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-16092/loc193/01989_f4_122_193lo.jpg)
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Post by: Himu on December 24, 2008, 01:54:48 AM
gosh the graphics
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Post by: Himu on December 24, 2008, 02:02:53 AM
Kitase apparently says in this interview that the development is coming to an end. At least, that's what some guy on gaf says. Need clarification.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on December 24, 2008, 09:36:05 AM
Battle System sounds like Chrono Chross and yay, no more Random Battles!
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Post by: y2kev on December 24, 2008, 09:45:00 AM
It looks like they came very close to the target video from two years ago in terms of conceptualizing battles. Looks sweet.
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Post by: Purple Filth on December 24, 2008, 11:02:05 AM
got some info (stolen from gaf)

Quote
Information Acquired from the scans:

- Apparently the MP system is gone and is replaced with a "cost" system.

- In one turn, you can stock up a series of commands and activate them all at once, instead of choosing one. Also, depending on the pattern of the commands you choose, Lightning's actions will change. For example, choosing "attack-attack-fire" and "attack-fire-attack" will activate different movements of Lightning. At the beginning of the game the maximum number of stocks per turn is 3, but it is very likely that the number will increase as you progress through the game.

- ATB is updated in the game, where you can to control the amount of the ATB gauge to use. For example, if you choose the maximum amount of commands in a turn, the gauge will become empty, but if you choose only one command in a turn, the loss of the gauge will be minimal.

- A yellow bar is displayed on the top right corner of the screen, which displays a "bonus" percentage on the bottom and the chain attack number on the top. "BREAK" replaces the chain number when the chain attack is broken. The use of the bar and the meaning of the bonus percentage is still unknown.

- The field system is very similar to FFXII's where the enemies are visible, and you have the choice to engage in combat or ignore. On the field you can check the enemies' names and HPs before you go into combat.

- The main enemies from the Holy Government are the Gewalt hounds, and the PSICOM soldiers. When Lightning was still in the Holy Government, she had some kind of association with PSICOM.

- The giant mechanical enemy that Lightning has been seen with on the train belongs to the Holy Government, and is called Manasvin. It mainly attacks with lasers and with circular blades that are attached to its wings.

- During gameplay, Lightning's weapon's form can freely be changed by a command in the menu. From a blade, to a gun, and vice versa.

- Lightning uses her weapon with her right hand, while she uses magic with her left hand. She does not summon gravity with her own powers, instead, she uses a special mechanic that's attached to her left hand.

- Not much of the new character on the bottom left corner of page 3 is revealed, except the fact that he knows Lightning since she was with the government.
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Post by: Himu on December 24, 2008, 11:37:38 AM
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

:hyper :hyper :hyper :hyper :hyper :hyper

This battle system sounds like VP2 almost. zomg.
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Post by: Himu on December 24, 2008, 11:51:13 AM
Oh man, this battle system sounds awesome. Very VP2-ish.

Here's hoping that in order to do all actions, you have to have an ATB charge. So that if you use say...Attack -> Attack -> Defend, in order to do another action, you have to have stocks. Whether it's defend, attack, use magic, or even use an item you have to have a stock. This will make your actions actually count in battle, make the game more tactical.

Make the enemies more tough like what is seen in the remake for Final Fantasy IV, give players the ability to move while in battle for tactical advantage -- not just for novelty like in FFXII, evolve upon the environment interaction in battle that FFX started and I think this battle system has potential.

So long as it doesn't have too much of an easy difficulty it'll all be good I think. One problem I have with games like FFX is that...they have a lot of great ideas, but the games aren't challenging enough to make use of them. Up the difficulty, S-E!
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Post by: tiesto on December 24, 2008, 11:56:00 AM
Battle system sounds fun, a bit reminiscent of Panzer Dragoon Saga, with the multiple ATB levels.
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Post by: Himu on December 24, 2008, 11:57:29 AM
Yes!!
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Post by: Don Flamenco on December 24, 2008, 02:28:32 PM
that sounds like Crisis Core without the distinguished mentally-challenged roulette shit. 


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Post by: Himu on December 24, 2008, 02:37:06 PM
or shitty pre-fixed battles
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Post by: Don Flamenco on December 24, 2008, 02:41:34 PM
LAYTERRR

Yeah, so like CC, but with you can queue actions...or FFXII, but with gambits on-the-fly.  And I'm glad they're keeping the FFXII fields!  I just wonder how delegating moves to all your party members works. 

man, that demo is going to be tempting.  Might have to temporarily own a PS3 for it!


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Post by: Himu on December 24, 2008, 02:43:27 PM
Yeah, I really enjoyed Crisis Core's battle system despite the simplicity. My main issue with was the shitty roulette. Seems I'm gonna love FFXIII.
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Post by: Himu on December 26, 2008, 03:40:00 AM
Merry Christmas.

Big pics of FFXIII battle footage in here:

(http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/1089/94vw1.th.jpg) (http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=94vw1.jpg)(http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2936/95ak7.th.jpg) (http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=95ak7.jpg)(http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/2420/96qk2.th.jpg) (http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=96qk2.jpg)

(http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/7732/97yb1.th.jpg) (http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=97yb1.jpg)(http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/2496/98ea0.th.jpg) (http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=98ea0.jpg)(http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/5499/99ii6.th.jpg) (http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=99ii6.jpg)

(http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1620/100lk9.th.jpg) (http://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?image=100lk9.jpg)(http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/7861/101pm4.th.jpg) (http://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?image=101pm4.jpg)

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Post by: Positive Touch on December 26, 2008, 11:17:25 AM
FFXIII rules
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII and Vs XIII CG wank trailers.
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 26, 2008, 11:36:14 AM
Quote
Kitase apparently says in this interview that the development is coming to an end. At least, that's what some guy on gaf says. Need clarification.

he says the "base" of FF13 is finished, whatever that means.

he also says they currently have no plans for DLC.  they might end up doing it but if so they'll have to write up a new plan and it will be treated as a new project to create a new game that just happens to be sold as DLC, not as part of the current project.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 26, 2008, 12:47:34 PM
I hope there's some form of world map, but I'm beginning to think it went the way of the mastodon :(

At the very least, make it a mix between X and XII's traveling.
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Post by: y2kev on December 26, 2008, 12:57:14 PM
Versus has a world map.
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Post by: cool breeze on December 26, 2008, 01:00:19 PM
I want a Valkyrie Profile style world map where you feel like superman flying over the world.  I actually bought Valkyrie Profile because I played that overworld in Electronic Boutique. 
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Post by: y2kev on December 26, 2008, 01:01:47 PM
I like VP  :heart
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 26, 2008, 01:05:44 PM
By the way, this week's "battle system info" doesn't come from any interview, and might just be speculation by the Famitsu editors based on the screens, so it's not necessarily any more authoritative than whatever you might yourself speculate based on the same screens.
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Post by: Himu on December 26, 2008, 08:01:47 PM
Quote
Kitase apparently says in this interview that the development is coming to an end. At least, that's what some guy on gaf says. Need clarification.

he says the "base" of FF13 is finished, whatever that means.

he also says they currently have no plans for DLC.  they might end up doing it but if so they'll have to write up a new plan and it will be treated as a new project to create a new game that just happens to be sold as DLC, not as part of the current project.

That's lame.

If there's an FFXIII International, it'd be great if it were dlc beacuse we'd actually be able to get it for a change.
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Post by: Himu on December 26, 2008, 08:02:26 PM
I hope there's some form of world map, but I'm beginning to think it went the way of the mastodon :(

At the very least, make it a mix between X and XII's traveling.

make it dq8 world map and not ff12 world map
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Post by: Don Flamenco on December 26, 2008, 08:03:48 PM
Versus has a world map.

I'm buying a PS3 for a world map
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Post by: Himu on December 26, 2008, 11:13:05 PM
Franz, let's make love
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 26, 2008, 11:35:18 PM
Dragon Quest VIII's world map was indeed grand, but I have no faith for that to ever be in a Final Fantasy game ever again
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Post by: Himu on December 26, 2008, 11:56:13 PM
Ever again? It's never been in a Final Fantasy.

What I want from FFXIII  and Versus XIII worlds are:

1. lots of secret places full of secret shit. I'm thinking things like Wutai, Fort Condor, the older man across the river bank near Junon that gives you Mithril, stuff like that. I'm thinking all the various towns in FFVI, including the island where you meet Gogo. I'm talking about towns that aren't even required to visit in the main story like Shumi village, or totally badass dungeons that have the game's most illest monsters all in one area as was seen in FFVIII's deep research facility. The hidden shit that rewards players for exploring is far more preferable to just giving you a generic, shitty 60 gil reward in some shitty treasure chest out in the middle of fucking nowhere like in FFXII, or the severe lack of secrets seen in X.

2. I don't want zones like in FFXII. I want one huge world map. Like the beginning of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9sv6nvSwPc

3. Numerous vehicles like in old days: ships/boats, chocobos, airships whatever. All controllable, and NOT just at the end of the game. One problem with recent jrpgs is that they emphasize all of this exploration and secret stuff at the VERY end of the game by giving you no vehicle at all until the very end and by that time you just want to beat the game already. One thing I will praise FFXII for doing is allowing you to go any place in the game at any time so long as you've visited it. It was very Dragon Quest-ish and getting around the world was a joy. You could go grab a ton of loot from various monsters, go to another part of the world and sell the shit, and end up rich. Earlier Final Fantasy's did the same thing. In FFIV, for example you get a ship early on. You get the airship halfway through the game. You get a ship at the very fucking beginning of FFV basically. In FFVI, you get the airship not even HALF way through the game, you get it at least 1/4 through. With FFVII you've got the tiny bronco, that thing you win at the chocobo racing to get out of prison, and the highwind; even then, if you wanted to, you could back track to Junon/Midgar if you didn't have the means of transportation by just going to Cosa Del Sol. In FFVIII, you get a fucking airship that rides on limited terrain halfway through the game. Etc etc.

In FFX and XII you could really on ride chocobos. And in FFX it's like in just one spot isn't it?

It just felt that in the earlier Final Fantasy's 1-9, to be exact, there was a good emphasis on exploration, finding all the nooks and crannies, all the secrets. I'm not going to fault the ps2 era Final Fantasy's -- although FFX-2 was *full* return to this type of play style -- because pretty much all the ps2 era rpgs, aside from Dragon Quest VIII, have the same problem. Thankfully, this generation's jrpgs so far has psx era level of interaction and exploration -- Tales of Vesperia, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon. Blue Dragon especially. I just want a return old FF style exploration.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 27, 2008, 12:07:30 AM
God, Dragon Quest VIII <3

I wish it didn't look so poopy now on my PS2, I kinda want to play it again.  It's such a chore getting into at first though
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Post by: Himu on December 27, 2008, 12:10:01 AM
I'd replay DQVIII if i hadn't spent 80 hours the first time

if it were more short like dq1-6 i'd replay it in a heartbeat
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Post by: Purple Filth on January 14, 2009, 01:27:28 PM


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/Kruff/afrodude.jpg)

According to some GAF translators the chocobo lives in his afro  :lol
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Post by: Purple Filth on January 14, 2009, 01:35:38 PM
is my link broken?


on my end its showing that "we dont like hotlinking so go to our site for the article/pics" bullshit

Quote
New character revealed in V-Jump: Sazh Katzroy.
He will be a starting party member and will be with you early on in the game. He's middle-aged, dual-wields pistols. Sazh has a baby chocobo that nests in his afro... he's a good person, easily moved to tears and has good judgment and a sense of social responsibility.
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Post by: dammitmattt on January 14, 2009, 01:39:11 PM
No one does black characters like Square.
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Post by: Vizzys on January 14, 2009, 01:44:39 PM
ok lol...
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Post by: T234 on January 14, 2009, 01:46:09 PM
"Sazh Katzroy"?

His name compared to the others is a bit strange since most of them have code-names.

"Lightning", "Mr. 33cm", "Ohara(lol) Vanilla"... his name should've been "Chocolate Pudding".

:rofl :rofl
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Post by: Crushed on January 14, 2009, 02:13:36 PM
smiling black man with heart of gold, stores chicken in his wild afro, blasts enemies with his gats, probabl talks funny for comic relief
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Post by: tiesto on January 14, 2009, 02:16:58 PM
Holy shit at that character, with a chocobo in his afro... looks like I'm finally interested in a new FF game.
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Post by: cool breeze on January 14, 2009, 02:29:15 PM
No one does black characters like Square.

(http://i40.tinypic.com/33ymf54.jpg)
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Post by: BlueTsunami on January 14, 2009, 03:21:51 PM
Chocobo Chick = Character of the Year
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Post by: demi on January 14, 2009, 04:54:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vyq61qQF9ik
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Post by: Jansen on January 14, 2009, 07:24:06 PM
New scan revealing new character:

[img]http://xs435.xs.to/xs435/09033/4686.jpg

When translated his name reads "Whatchu Talkinboutu Willisu"

a distinguished black fellow holding a chicken... seriously Square?

omg wow :lol

somebody photoshop a watermelon slice on his mouth so the stereotype is complete
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Post by: y2kev on January 14, 2009, 07:38:03 PM
Yeah, this is pretty bad. Black people should just not be in Japanese video games. Though Drebin wasn't bad.
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Post by: cool breeze on January 14, 2009, 07:54:41 PM
I think it's hilarious because they're probably thinking it's such a fresh thing to have a black character in the games.  I can almost guarantee that at least one person who thought him up had a notepad which read Black character to do list: 1. dark skin, 2. afro, 3. chicken
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Post by: y2kev on January 14, 2009, 08:19:36 PM
"He's like the most normal person in a FF game, ever." "It's pretty clear that he's just raping her."
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Post by: Jansen on January 14, 2009, 08:45:24 PM
is it true that the version of advent children with the demo will be like a hundred bucks?

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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 14, 2009, 10:01:18 PM
Are people serious about the chicken thing?  The gap between liking to eat bird meat and keeping actual birds in your hair is pretty wide.
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Post by: treythemovie on January 14, 2009, 10:16:15 PM
Just watch him be the first character to die.
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Post by: MCD on January 14, 2009, 10:40:42 PM
he doesn't fit at all.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 14, 2009, 11:01:28 PM
interesting how the white characters all have names that specifically call out whiteness
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Post by: MCD on January 14, 2009, 11:03:21 PM
is that sum kfc

racist bastards.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on January 15, 2009, 07:03:53 AM
"Choco-Bo" aka. Mr.Goodbar
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Post by: Diunx on January 15, 2009, 11:42:23 AM
I hear that when you put a potion in his inventory the name is changed to grape soda.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 15, 2009, 11:47:20 AM
Purple drank
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Post by: tiesto on January 15, 2009, 01:21:26 PM
Wonder if him and Barret eat fried chocobo.

(http://www.cs.stevens.edu/~rbender/otakon06/regs/img_0872.jpg)