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Title: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: dcharlie on March 05, 2009, 10:30:00 AM
just saying and i know this thought process isn't unique but damn.... biggest fucking shameless hypocrits on the planet.

If i see another gimp mention that Darwin is just a theory whilst peddling the idea that a completely unprovable ancient text is right then i might go nuts.


"YEAH THERES ONLY ABOUT 99% PROOF OF DARWINISM, OF COURSE THERE IS 0% PROOF FOR WHAT I BASE MY STANDPOINT ON BUT I THINK WE CAN DISCREDIT DARWIN ON THAT MISSING 1%!"

fucking oxygen thieves, stop stinking up my planet.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Brehvolution on March 05, 2009, 10:34:14 AM
God put dinosaur fossils there to test your faith.  :smug
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Tieno on March 05, 2009, 10:35:19 AM
What if he put the Bible there to fool us?   :o
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 05, 2009, 11:19:02 AM
Creationist: Dinosaur fossils where put here to test our fate.

Bill Hicks: .......I think you were put here to test my fate

:punch

Fate...?
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Eric P on March 05, 2009, 11:22:56 AM
faith
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 05, 2009, 11:49:50 AM


Though I have to say, we weren't evolved from apes. The fuck was Darwin smoking when he suggested that?


 :wtf
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 12:15:31 PM
lol wat. If we didn't evolve from lesser forms of primates (ala "monkeys") then what did we evolve from? It is kinda limited seeing how humans are part of the primate family.

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Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 05, 2009, 12:30:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGNRYNdVT7g
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: tiesto on March 05, 2009, 01:19:11 PM
And I fucking date Creationists.  :-\
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2009, 01:24:18 PM
come back when you have even the slightest evidence to validate your "theory"

big bang  :lol
missing links  :lol :lol
billion year old earth  :lol :lol :lol




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Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Eric P on March 05, 2009, 01:28:39 PM
god designed and created scientists, ergo intelligent design and creationism exist

Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 05, 2009, 01:43:47 PM
creationists are awful and when I encounter them I like to remind myself that the sword of progress is both very sharp and coated with the dried blood of wacko ideas even worse and more entrenched than creationist thought is.

It'll take time to properly purge this anti-intellectual stain from widespread belief our society. But it will happen in our lifetimes, I believe.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 05, 2009, 01:45:38 PM
god designed and created scientists, ergo intelligent design and creationism exist



God created liars and charlatans who mischievously claim that men and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor. Some may say this reflects badly on god, but god needed to create lies to make the truth that much more beautiful in the same way that darkness makes the light all the more awe inspiring.
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Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Eric P on March 05, 2009, 02:21:48 PM


Though I have to say, we weren't evolved from apes. The fuck was Darwin smoking when he suggested that?


(http://tcj.com/journalista/beatonopriginofman.jpg)
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Diunx on March 05, 2009, 05:45:56 PM
Thor > god.

Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Mandark on March 05, 2009, 05:50:02 PM
It'll take time to properly purge this anti-intellectual stain from widespread belief our society. But it will happen in our lifetimes, I believe.

I dunno.  People are willing to believe all sorts of crazy stuff as long as it doesn't have a direct effect on the way they live their life.

99% of people who get hung up denying evolution/global warming/the HIV-AIDS connection/the official 9/11 story don't change their behavior in the least.  The big, tragic exception being African countries where misinformation about HIV has really awful consequences.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: brawndolicious on March 05, 2009, 05:59:30 PM
They're nearly as ridiculous as the people who buy organic foods.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: huckleberry on March 05, 2009, 06:23:06 PM
My mom uses the picture of her and my step father standing in front of a caveman riding a dinosaur that they took while at the creation museum as her avatar picture on Live messenger.


fml.    :'(
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Diunx on March 05, 2009, 06:24:08 PM
Block her.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: huckleberry on March 05, 2009, 06:27:24 PM
truth is I havent even confronted her about it.  When I was younger she definitely did believe in evolution, all the while being a good Christian.  I think my step father has been a negative influence on her when it comes to religion....he is not a bad guy at all though.  Kind of like Jinfash....nice guy, but hates the reality that we descended from the hairy ape.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Diunx on March 05, 2009, 06:29:07 PM
I live in a very traditional country and they teached evolution in my school, I didn't know about this creationist crap until I started posting on english message boards.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 05, 2009, 06:32:18 PM
I live in a very traditional country and they teached evolution in my school, I didn't know about this creationist crap until I started posting on english message boards.

But you were not taught about irregular English verbs.  :P
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Diunx on March 05, 2009, 06:33:47 PM
I was too busy praying yugioh during english.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 05, 2009, 06:34:47 PM
I was too busy praying yugioh during english.

You and Arvie.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Diunx on March 05, 2009, 06:39:05 PM
But I'm latino, is cool for me to speak/write shitty ingles.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 05, 2009, 06:41:58 PM
But I'm latino, is cool for me to speak/write shitty ingles.

Sure, if you're mowing my lawn.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 06:43:33 PM
I live in a very traditional country and they teached evolution in my school, I didn't know about this creationist crap until I started posting on english message boards.
Well America is the same way, only evolution is taught in American schools.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 05, 2009, 06:45:47 PM
I live in a very traditional country and they teached evolution in my school, I didn't know about this creationist crap until I started posting on english message boards.
Well America is the same way, only evolution is taught in American schools.

And that's a shame:

(http://blog.news-record.com/staff/culture/teachcotnroversy.jpg)
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: huckleberry on March 05, 2009, 06:58:39 PM
I am saying you are a good guy no matter what you believe Jinfash.  Even if I think you are wrong.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 05, 2009, 07:05:35 PM
only a benevolent God could have created something as perfect as a Salma Hayek.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 07:10:17 PM
Considering the ape part of the theory would only risk my life further, so I chose not to even consider or think about it.


Wait you were serious? lol

I dont know how you can believe in evolution but not consider the "ape part", because to accept humans evolved you have to accept they evolved from SOMETHING and being that humans are primates there is only one option.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 05, 2009, 07:19:06 PM
I'm turning these into T-shirts, so awesome



http://controversy.wearscience.com/ (http://controversy.wearscience.com/)

I should get a couple of the evolution shirts because Flannel Girl is a big fan of Darwin.

(http://controversy.wearscience.com/imgproduct/devil.jpg)
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 07:28:29 PM
I'm not gonna adopt it just because people say I should, that won't make it different from those who dismiss it.

Yes, but you accept evolution already. That makes it far more cofusing.

Humans are primates. And you accept humans evolved. Thus you accept they evolved from something. Being that they are primates, what else could they evolve from.

When it comes to evolution you can't really take out the ape part. It's part of the package.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 05, 2009, 07:29:20 PM
I think the shirt will get you 1500 lashes.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 07:32:09 PM
Wait, wait wait. If you say tell them you believe humans evolved from apes could that get you out of the arranged marriage?  :o
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: TVC15 on March 05, 2009, 07:34:08 PM
Humans didn't evolve from apes.  Humans and apes share a common ancestor.  That branching was like 7-8 million years ago.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 05, 2009, 07:35:34 PM
jews evolved from anteaters
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 07:36:41 PM
Humans didn't evolve from apes.  Humans and apes share a common ancestor.  That branching was like 7-8 million years ago.
Ape like primate, ape is just a placeholder term. It's easier than saying like "Homo habilis" when you mean to describe this:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Homo_habilis.JPG/450px-Homo_habilis.JPG)
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 05, 2009, 07:39:25 PM
https://teachthecontroversy.spreadshirt.com
MARCH19

17% discount

Jinfash, get this shirt while you're at it:

(http://amorphia-apparel.com/imgproduct/stick.jpg)
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: TVC15 on March 05, 2009, 07:40:47 PM
Humans didn't evolve from apes.  Humans and apes share a common ancestor.  That branching was like 7-8 million years ago.
Ape like primate, ape is just a placeholder term. It's easier than saying like "Homo habilis" when you mean to describe this:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Homo_habilis.JPG/450px-Homo_habilis.JPG)

I strongly disagree, but I won't bother to get into semantics with you further than this.  It's not an ape because it is the progenitor of both the ape and human lines.  By that logic, semantically the common ancestor is just as much modern human as it is modern ape, and we certainly don't say that humans evolved from humans.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Brehvolution on March 05, 2009, 07:49:07 PM
The carbon dating system is a creation of the devil.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 05, 2009, 08:06:14 PM
Perhaps "Humans evolved alongside Apes" might be more correct, but despite being incorrect, "Humans evolved from Apes" still captures the essential idea that is at the heart of the dispute.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 05, 2009, 09:05:32 PM
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Wait, wait wait. If you say tell them you believe humans evolved from apes could that get you out of the arranged marriage?  Shocked

No, that would just get him betrothed to an ape.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 05, 2009, 09:08:27 PM
I :heart creationists.

The reason is that you can ask them more questions about their viewpoints in life and typically uncover even more insanity.  They believe that you're totally buying into it, which encourages them to reveal even more, etc.

It's a good show.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: huckleberry on March 05, 2009, 09:10:15 PM
You may love it but when you realize you are completely surrounded by them, as is my case, it makes you all paranoid.   :-\
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: pilonv1 on March 06, 2009, 01:52:13 AM
(http://controversy.wearscience.com/img450/pyramid.gif)

:lol: SO BOUGHT
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2009, 04:11:38 AM
The carbon dating system is a creation of the devil.

it's ridiculously unreliable :smug
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Tieno on March 06, 2009, 04:28:34 AM
I always find it weird that people feel offended/disgusted that we evolved from primates/homo habilis/"apes". It's the opposite with me, I find it beautiful, fascinating and relaxing that we are so connected with other animals yet still different.

The other day I saw a creationst say he denounce evolution, even though acknowledging it has much scientific support, based on the idea that he had to doubt other parts of the bible too or had to read the bible in a different way (not-literal).
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Brehvolution on March 06, 2009, 08:55:38 AM
So by this line of thinking, apes have souls too? :smug
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Cheebs on March 06, 2009, 09:01:47 AM
I always find it weird that people feel offended/disgusted that we evolved from primates/homo habilis/"apes". It's the opposite with me, I find it beautiful, fascinating and relaxing that we are so connected with other animals yet still different.

Yeah, I always found the human link to other primates as really cool. I can't understand how it scares people to know we come from the same original species as apes. It's awesome.

Jinfash what would happen if you showed your family a movie like Planet of the Apes?  :o
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Brehvolution on March 06, 2009, 09:22:23 AM
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I've always wanted to ask, how do Christian creationists describe Adam?

Just a dude who was coerced into sin by Eve.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Tieno on March 06, 2009, 09:44:59 AM
Actually both of them love that movie (the original of course, not the crappy remake). :P

I always find it weird that people feel offended/disgusted that we evolved from primates/homo habilis/"apes".

My people are mostly offended because God described his first human creation (Adam) as "perfect" and "beautiful".

And this...

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Homo_habilis.JPG/450px-Homo_habilis.JPG)

Is not beautiful lol.

EDIT: I've always wanted to ask, how do Christian creationists describe Adam?

EDIT2:

https://teachthecontroversy.spreadshirt.com

MARCH19

17% discount

Jinfash, get this shirt while you're at it:

http://amorphia-apparel.com/imgproduct/stick.jpg

:lol

Devil burying dinos is still the best though.
maybe god had different standards? Beauty is subjective, I read somewhere that primates like old females, because they're still fertile and are more experienced mothers than the young ones.

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Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Tauntaun on March 06, 2009, 10:19:30 AM
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I've always wanted to ask, how do Christian creationists describe Adam?

Just a dude who was coerced into sin by Eve.

Actually, he was standing right beside Eve when she was being tempted and did nothing. 
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Cheebs on March 06, 2009, 10:27:20 AM
Bible doesn't describe Adam's looks. Regardless, the origin story is a metaphor, not literal there is no Adam nor Eve. Even the Catholic Church recognizes that.

This is what "Adam & Eve" would have looked like:
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/178/404063706_dc9274fc47.jpg)
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Eric P on March 06, 2009, 01:41:10 PM
Bible doesn't describe Adam's looks. Regardless, the origin story is a metaphor, not literal there is no Adam nor Eve. Even the Catholic Church recognizes that.

Really? So the whole story about them in the garden is also a metaphor and not mentioned in the bible?

The Quran has a lot of stuff about them, about their creation, their first sin, and their first kids (stuff that would make fistful blush).

it IS mentioned but it's held by non-insane protestants to be metaphorical

Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Eric P on March 06, 2009, 01:42:41 PM
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%202%20;&version=28;
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Brehvolution on March 06, 2009, 01:51:41 PM
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I've always wanted to ask, how do Christian creationists describe Adam?

Just a dude who was coerced into sin by Eve.

Actually, he was standing right beside Eve when she was being tempted and did nothing. 

I'm sure Adam voiced his concern to her about his reservations in listening to a talking snake. She just did what she wanted anyways.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Bloodwake on March 06, 2009, 03:18:43 PM
Ok, this is very interesting. The number of similarities and differences.

As far as I know, Islam has some roots in Christianity.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 06, 2009, 03:24:20 PM
Ok, this is very interesting. The number of similarities and differences.

As far as I know, Islam has some roots in Christianity.
I think Islam is supposed believe in most of the bible, just that it was originally the word of god but has been tainted by man. The Quran is pure though.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Cheebs on March 06, 2009, 05:04:48 PM
Bible doesn't describe Adam's looks. Regardless, the origin story is a metaphor, not literal there is no Adam nor Eve. Even the Catholic Church recognizes that.

Really? So the whole story about them in the garden is also a metaphor and not mentioned in the bible?

The Quran has a lot of stuff about them, about their creation, their first sin, and their first kids (stuff that would make fistful blush).
All of that is in the bible but it is recognized as pure metaphor for most christians, not actual history.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Cheebs on March 06, 2009, 10:51:43 PM
like us hoomans, i thought (was taught at school) that the bible and quaran both evolved out of many other ancient stories (creation of the world , noahs ark etc were all lifted from elsewhere)
Yes, most of those stories have been around far longer than either religion. Both religions took elements of ancient ones.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 06, 2009, 11:53:48 PM
The Bible had been pretty well established by the time the Quran came out.

No doubt just about any bible fairytale has it's roots to earlier oral traditions
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Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 07, 2009, 07:16:20 PM

Yes, most of those stories have been around far longer than either religion. Both religions took elements of ancient ones.

You really can't use that argument against them, while you guys say they "evolved" and "took elements", others say what were you expecting?

To them these are all historical facts and having been told before both religions only asserts to them that they really happened. It's when those stories break-out after the the religions started that they would get suspicious.

"If the story of **** really happened, why haven't I heard about it before now?". See what I mean?


The stories are altered significantly, suggesting that it isn't a retelling of fact, but a borrowing to create new folklore. For example, elements of the Flood Story change depending on the culture and the religion telling it. Some involve animals (I'll never know how Noah managed to get the marsupials on the ark), others don't. Some involve divine causes, others don't. Some involve a landing in a mountain, others don't.

And, superstitious people hit with unexpected, catastrophic floods don't need to hear other versions to create their own. Belonging to pre-scientific cultures, they weren't going to come up with natural explanations for the floods. And over time, such stories are naturally going to be embellished.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2009, 07:39:28 PM
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I've always wanted to ask, how do Christian creationists describe Adam?

Just a dude who was coerced into sin by Eve.

Actually, he was standing right beside Eve when she was being tempted and did nothing. 

Uh I'm pretty sure he wasn't. She was tempted then brought the fruit (grape) to Adam...
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2009, 07:41:02 PM
Bible doesn't describe Adam's looks. Regardless, the origin story is a metaphor, not literal there is no Adam nor Eve. Even the Catholic Church recognizes that.

Really? So the whole story about them in the garden is also a metaphor and not mentioned in the bible?

The Quran has a lot of stuff about them, about their creation, their first sin, and their first kids (stuff that would make fistful blush).
All of that is in the bible but it is recognized as pure metaphor for most christians, not actual history.

What the fuck are you talking about? "Most" Christians? Yea right
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2009, 07:47:40 PM
Creationists like bringing up the universal relevance of the flood story but totally ignore the lack of any historical evidence of other major biblical stories. Like the 7 plagues, "Ramses", Jews building the pyramids...the entire story
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: bud on March 07, 2009, 07:48:54 PM
Creationists like bringing up the universal relevance of the flood story but totally ignore the lack of any historical evidence of other major biblical stories. Like the 7 plagues, "Ramses", Jews building the pyramids...the entire story

i always thought you were a creationist. how religious are you?
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 07, 2009, 07:49:44 PM
Well if I'm not mistaken Muslims think that almost every religion (at least the ones they consider as true ie monotheistic) has told those "historical" events accurately but it was the people who altered and embellished those stories throughout the period between each religion's arrival, and when a new "true" monotheistic religion arrives, it (allegedly) sets the story straight.Then the cycle of altering and embellishment continues.

That's how the people I know explain the different versions.


Yeah . . . finally setting things straight. Fuck, this happens within religions all the time, too. See the various schisms and revivals within Christianity. Fuck, Jesus was setting God's teachings straight to begin with.

 nice trick.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on March 07, 2009, 07:51:48 PM
The Adam and Eve story is so flawed anyway.

If Adam and Eve had no way to judge between right and wrong before they ate the forbidden fruit, how were they supposed to know what they did was wrong? After all, the snake was the one who told them the truth, not God (God said they would die if they ate the fruit, the snake said they would know good and evil like God). Kind of a big plot hole for a book considered literally true by so many people.

As for the Catholics who believe that Adam and Eve is just a story, why do they believe in Original Sin? In fact, Original Sin is denied within the Bible.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ezekial%2018:20;&version=31;

"The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him."
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2009, 07:58:26 PM
Creationists like bringing up the universal relevance of the flood story but totally ignore the lack of any historical evidence of other major biblical stories. Like the 7 plagues, "Ramses", Jews building the pyramids...the entire story

i always thought you were a creationist. how religious are you?

Meh, no. I'm not 100% convinced in the story. I can't say I'm 100% convinced with Malek's prescribed origin-of-the-universe either

 
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on March 07, 2009, 07:59:54 PM
Those pictures are completely indecisive.

You might as well try to convert people to your religion using Pascal's Wager.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2009, 08:14:43 PM
http://noahsarksearch.com/ararat.htm

:bow
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Cheebs on March 07, 2009, 09:21:39 PM
There is no such thing as Noah's Ark that stored all the animals. Just like there is no whale that swallowed Jonah. There are many historical facts in the old testament/quran , but a lot is just simple folk lore stolen and changed by other cultures. The quran, like all religious documents were written by regular average men. Just like those who created Zeus and the endless other Gods/Religions that disappeared over time. Assuming humans survive long enough people will look at Islam/Christianity/etc with the same sense of "lol wat were they thinking" in thousands of years like we do with ancient religions today.

Although Jesus was indeed a pretty awesome dude. :bow

Sadly, from first hand experience of going to christian schools so many christians don't appreciate him as the guy he was, one with a great message. And just use his name for their own self-satisfaction and reassurance.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Cheebs on March 07, 2009, 09:34:15 PM


Mohammad was way cooler, not bringing dead people back, healing, and giving blind people their sight back cool, but like cool in a "I want to hang out with you" kind of way. I mean come on, angels enjoyed his company immensely.
Well, I not talking about the miracles and all that stuff with angels and the like that. Not the storybook character he has become over time. I meant Jesus as he really was as a historical figure and his message and preaching.

A great human being, which sadly is one not appreaciated enough.  There are many christians out there who pray to Jesus, have a little Jesus cross necklace and so forth but couldn't tell you shit about his actual message to humanity.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Cheebs on March 07, 2009, 09:55:41 PM
I wouldn't call him my guy, he is just a guy who in history I think had a brilliant message. As much my guy as say Ghandi is my guy. No doubt Mohammad existed and probably was a swell guy, I just love Jesus's message about helping the poor...etc. Part of what he preached makes me the godless librul who loves a govt. who helps the poor that I am today in a way.

But in the end my view on religion is simply that. I do hope there is a God, a after-life, some sort of "meaning". I just think life is too short to worry about it or trying to find ways to fit it in in in a ever secularizing world that is constantly proving elements of it incorrect. If there is a God/After Life then well as long as I try to do the right thing and am a good guy I hope I'd get there. But if it is the after life of most religions, in which you have to believe in their God and worship him then well..I'd be glad to not go. I wouldn't want to be in the company of a God who was that self-absorbed.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2009, 09:58:32 PM


Mohammad was way cooler, not bringing dead people back, healing, and giving blind people their sight back cool, but like cool in a "I want to hang out with you" kind of way. I mean come on, angels enjoyed his company immensely.
Well, I not talking about the miracles and all that stuff with angels and the like that. Not the storybook character he has become over time. I meant Jesus as he really was as a historical figure and his message and preaching.

A great human being, which sadly is one not appreaciated enough.  There are many christians out there who pray to Jesus, have a little Jesus cross necklace and so forth but couldn't tell you shit about his actual message to humanity.

His message was repent and be baptized for the kingdom is at hand. Christians have that part down, unfortunately they don't realize he wasn't talking to them.

There are tons of charities in this country and abroad which follow his other messages.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Cheebs on March 07, 2009, 10:02:36 PM

There are tons of charities in this country and abroad which follow his other messages.
I know and that is a good thing. People like Mother Teresa and the like "got" Jesus. That is why I didn't say christians in general, like some holier than thou atheists at gaf would. I am just saying in my experience there are many oblivious to Jesus, the man yet worship him.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: TVC15 on March 07, 2009, 10:03:01 PM
If Gandhi is your guy, Cheebs, maybe you should spell his name correctly.  :)

I think my nigra is Lao Tse
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Cheebs on March 07, 2009, 10:23:32 PM
If Gandhi is your guy, Cheebs, maybe you should spell his name correctly.  :)

I think my nigra is Lao Tse
Well he isn't. ;)  I was just using him to show I don't think calling a historical figure someone who is from my side or whatever makes much sense.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 07, 2009, 10:27:56 PM
Well duh, religion for most is just a team jersey for them to wear.

Expecting shitty irrational people who'll gravitate to things for shitty irrational reasons and then expect them to suddenly become good people is not realistic. Most take to religion so they can walk around with :smug <- this face all day.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Cheebs on March 07, 2009, 10:35:28 PM
Well duh, religion for most is just a team jersey for them to wear.

Expecting shitty irrational people who'll gravitate to things for shitty irrational reasons and then expect them to suddenly become good people is not realistic. Most take to religion so they can walk around with :smug <- this face all day.
Yep. Which is part of the reason why organized religion hurts my head, it often leads to that. Belief is God is fine, awesome, do as you please. But trying to focus on one organized official one as the one you follow as the "right" one is just so....small minded.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: duckman2000 on March 07, 2009, 10:49:50 PM
"Spirituality" lulz
Followers of Jesus' example, double lulz

https://www.prayercross.com/ver30/index.asp?refcode=pc30
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Cheebs on March 07, 2009, 10:52:23 PM
(http://www.jmckinley.net/phpsearch/q2004/1103.jpg)
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: duckman2000 on March 07, 2009, 10:55:35 PM
Seriously. I mean, I'm not even a little bit Christian, but I say that if having it around means that people adhere to some pretty sensible advice, then that's great. But the way it's practiced, from the call of raising an army of Jesus and fighting science, to jewelry and fancy dispensers of water bottled in some well of great mythical, er, historical value, it just misses the whole fucking point. With the way they are practicing and preaching their "gospel" now, they are little more than empowered, superstitious and frightened twits.

My grandmother used to go to these benefits for the starving kids in Africa or something (Live Aid era). At the end of the auctions, the pastor would list the most generous ones, and demand applause for these upstanding church goers. A whole church full of people missing the fucking point.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: TVC15 on March 07, 2009, 11:00:32 PM
If someone buys me that thousand dollar cross, I will wear it all the time.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: duckman2000 on March 07, 2009, 11:00:50 PM
I'd wear it upside down
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Oblivion on March 08, 2009, 01:21:19 AM
Re: The serpent/snake with Adam and Eve. Wasn't there really no real reference to that creature in the bible? Didn't it only appear in the book Paradise Lost and somehow just eventually became meshed alongside the myth?
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on March 08, 2009, 03:04:22 AM
^ Wait, are you sure you don't mean the serpent being Satan?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203;&version=9;

The King James version of the bible predates Paradise Lost by 56 years.

Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Oblivion on March 08, 2009, 03:09:22 AM
^ Wait, are you sure you don't mean the serpent being Satan?

Probably. There was something about the Adam/Eve story that was in Paradise Lost but not in the bible.
Title: Re: I fucking hate Creationists
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 08, 2009, 07:08:27 PM
Jewish 'mythology' refers the serpent as Lilith, Adam's first wife who would not submit to him, hence gets turned into a half serpent half woman and mother of all witches. Anyway interesting shit.