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Title: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 03, 2009, 02:42:11 PM
I put someone on ignore but they're still sending me PMs, is it possible to put them on some kind of super-ignore?
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Eric P on April 03, 2009, 02:42:38 PM
it's your baby

you should SEE it
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Reb on April 03, 2009, 02:43:45 PM
Leper the person.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 03, 2009, 02:44:27 PM
it's your baby

you should SEE it

this made me laugh
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Reb on April 03, 2009, 02:46:21 PM
Profile > Modify Profile > Personal Message Options > Add their names manually to the list.

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=831;sa=pmprefs
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 03, 2009, 02:47:11 PM
just reply with danny bonaduce cock pics
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 03, 2009, 02:47:43 PM
Profile > "Modify Profile" list > Personal Message Options > Add their names manually to the list.

Now as soon as they hit the "send" button they'll get a message telling them that you've ignored them.

awesome thanks
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Reb on April 03, 2009, 02:50:09 PM
Profile > Modify Profile > Personal Message Options > Add their names manually to the list.

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;sa=pmprefs

Fixed. The one you posted was tied to your profile.

This post gets :hump :hump :hump :hump out of :hump :hump :hump :hump :hump
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Kestastrophe on April 03, 2009, 02:50:46 PM
just out the member in this thread and they will be shamed into not sending you any more PMs
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 03, 2009, 02:50:55 PM
i hardly ever get pms
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Eric P on April 03, 2009, 02:53:15 PM
my gf wants to know your secret
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 03, 2009, 02:54:19 PM
midol
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Reb on April 03, 2009, 02:54:34 PM
my gf wants to know your secret

damn you i've been sitting on a pms joke for months

i hope i still get to use my user "cp" joke
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: demi on April 03, 2009, 03:03:22 PM
I know who it is :shh
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Barry Egan on April 03, 2009, 03:36:30 PM
Ichirou?
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Rman on April 03, 2009, 03:37:29 PM
Ichirou?
He was banned.  Not possible.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 03, 2009, 03:54:04 PM
I don't want to name any names but his initials are "Green Shinobi"
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Barry Egan on April 03, 2009, 04:10:22 PM
this is shocking
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 03, 2009, 04:14:21 PM
I don't want to name any names but his initials are "Green Shinobi"

Haha, he's like the new Diablos!
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Robo on April 03, 2009, 04:21:13 PM
 :-X
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Brehvolution on April 03, 2009, 04:40:19 PM
I don't want to name any names but his initials are "Green Shinobi"

 :lol

Your secret is safe with me.  :-*
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Kestastrophe on April 03, 2009, 04:47:42 PM
Would anyone really put up a fight if Green Shinobi were lepered?
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Positive Touch on April 03, 2009, 06:14:15 PM
:rofl poor guy

if only he didn't try so hard to defend his shitty taste
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: bud on April 03, 2009, 06:15:58 PM
shitty taste and a small penis

:(
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 03, 2009, 06:21:10 PM
Where exactly is this hate coming from again?
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 03, 2009, 06:22:41 PM
Where is Green Shinobi? 

Let's see some escalation!

:hyper
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Reb on April 03, 2009, 08:10:53 PM
The right way to reveal this would have been:

Let's call him G. Shinobi.
No wait, Green S.

:bow Simpsons :bow2
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 03, 2009, 09:27:50 PM
A lot of posters, many of whom generally agree with a move towards legalizing drugs, have not liked your debating techniques.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: demi on April 03, 2009, 09:29:11 PM
We just can't handle his girth
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 03, 2009, 09:36:30 PM
:bow :bow patel :bow2 :bow2
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 03, 2009, 09:38:40 PM
A lot of posters, many of whom generally agree with a move towards legalizing drugs, have not liked your debating techniques.

You should really pop back into that thread and check out Willco's debating "techniques" if you think I was somehow offensive.


I never said you were offensive. You are basically demonstrating what you kept doing in the drug debates.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 03, 2009, 09:40:03 PM
while Patel is usually awesome, this particular tiff is pretty dumb on both sides imo, probably due to shitty imaging drivers from sketchy ISVs
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 03, 2009, 09:44:21 PM
A lot of posters, many of whom generally agree with a move towards legalizing drugs, have not liked your debating techniques.

You should really pop back into that thread and check out Willco's debating "techniques" if you think I was somehow offensive.


I never said you were offensive. You are basically demonstrating what you kept doing in the drug debates.



 :rofl

Of course, this is the intellectual genius, who, made this statement "Boogie, I'm wondering why you think no-knock warrants with SWAT tactics are necessary when looking for drug dealers"

and then, when informed that it is because drug dealers have guns, replied "And you think they would open fire on a big squad of cops knowing they'd be ending their lives by doing so?"
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 03, 2009, 09:45:24 PM
while Patel is usually awesome, this particular tiff is pretty dumb on both sides imo, probably due to shitty imaging drivers from sketchy ISVs

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Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: TVC15 on April 03, 2009, 09:47:59 PM
while Patel is usually awesome, this particular tiff is pretty dumb on both sides imo, probably due to shitty imaging drivers from sketchy ISVs

You've been saving that one for a while, haven't you?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:tauntaun patel :tauntaun
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Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 03, 2009, 09:52:05 PM
A lot of posters, many of whom generally agree with a move towards legalizing drugs, have not liked your debating techniques.

You should really pop back into that thread and check out Willco's debating "techniques" if you think I was somehow offensive.


I never said you were offensive. You are basically demonstrating what you kept doing in the drug debates.



 :rofl

Of course, this is the intellectual genius, who, made this statement "Boogie, I'm wondering why you think no-knock warrants with SWAT tactics are necessary when looking for drug dealers"

and then, when informed that it is because drug dealers have guns, replied "And you think they would open fire on a big squad of cops knowing they'd be ending their lives by doing so?"


at the time, this is what i thought of:

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=M1ARTM0012735
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 03, 2009, 09:53:26 PM
how is that "porn"?  Sonic's probably just pulling burs out of Tails' fur or something
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Barry Egan on April 03, 2009, 09:54:51 PM
I like the idea of making this a Patel love-in, rather then a Green Shinobi dog pile.

:bow Patel! :bow2
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 03, 2009, 09:56:15 PM
Oh, I'll post the entire exchange.

Why do you have me on ignore?

because of the silly drug legalization thread

I'll get tired of clicking on all your posts and un-ignore you soon enough

You seriously ignore people because of their political opinions? You are a sadder man than I'd thought.

1) drug legalization is not a "political" opinion
2) you're the only activte poster I'm ignoring right now, so it's not like this is a long term life strategy or anything
3) I ignored you NOT because of your opinion but because of the way you were ARGUING your opinion
4) I SAID I would take you off after a few days, but I'm not sure why I would do that now that you've dropped to personal attacks out of nowhere

Patel proving his social ineptitude and probable asperger's diagnosis once again.

This makes you look like an even bigger dick man
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 03, 2009, 09:57:53 PM
while Patel is usually awesome, this particular tiff is pretty dumb on both sides imo, probably due to shitty imaging drivers from sketchy ISVs

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/f/f9/Sonic-785270.jpg/120px-Sonic-785270.jpg)(http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/f/f9/Sonic-785270.jpg/120px-Sonic-785270.jpg)(http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/f/f9/Sonic-785270.jpg/120px-Sonic-785270.jpg)(http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/f/f9/Sonic-785270.jpg/120px-Sonic-785270.jpg)(http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/f/f9/Sonic-785270.jpg/120px-Sonic-785270.jpg)(http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/f/f9/Sonic-785270.jpg/120px-Sonic-785270.jpg)(http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/f/f9/Sonic-785270.jpg/120px-Sonic-785270.jpg)(http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/f/f9/Sonic-785270.jpg/120px-Sonic-785270.jpg)(http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/f/f9/Sonic-785270.jpg/120px-Sonic-785270.jpg)(http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/f/f9/Sonic-785270.jpg/120px-Sonic-785270.jpg)
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Drinky, while you're at it, can you point me towards some Lena Inverse hentai?  Preferably with her ripped wedding dress on...or at least in the drawing somewhere.   
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: BlueTsunami on April 03, 2009, 10:00:19 PM
Suffer like Shinobi did
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 03, 2009, 10:15:57 PM
Oh great, another Icon gangbang.  How many more days will poor Green Shinobi last before he is Ichirouized?
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 03, 2009, 10:18:29 PM
Icon gangbang sounds hot.  Let's do Prole first :drool

Let's stick with Shinobi. THE GIRTH!  :teehee
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 03, 2009, 11:03:44 PM
how is that "porn"?  Sonic's probably just pulling burs out of Tails' fur or something

is that the face of hedgehog delightedly grooming his companion?
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 03, 2009, 11:12:41 PM
Well, it can be pretty frustrating pulling them out sometimes, so it takes determination and grit.  I think that comes through in the image.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 03, 2009, 11:31:04 PM
A lot of posters, many of whom generally agree with a move towards legalizing drugs, have not liked your debating techniques.

You should really pop back into that thread and check out Willco's debating "techniques" if you think I was somehow offensive.


I never said you were offensive. You are basically demonstrating what you kept doing in the drug debates.



 :rofl

Of course, this is the intellectual genius, who, made this statement "Boogie, I'm wondering why you think no-knock warrants with SWAT tactics are necessary when looking for drug dealers"

and then, when informed that it is because drug dealers have guns, replied "And you think they would open fire on a big squad of cops knowing they'd be ending their lives by doing so?"
:lol

Green Shinobi's reality:
[youtube=560,345]NW55FRXlPEs[/youtube]
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: BlueTsunami on April 04, 2009, 01:37:49 AM
Like NAS, FA won
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 04, 2009, 01:46:51 AM
GS accusing someone of "social ineptitude" is pretty fucking laughable.  Also,

:bow Patel :bow2
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 04, 2009, 02:17:10 AM
what is this thread
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 04, 2009, 02:19:30 AM
don't tell him, but i was yanking it to his sultry voice the whole time we were recording last week
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 04, 2009, 02:22:57 AM
He knew. :shh
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 04, 2009, 02:27:20 AM
oops i meant that to be a pm

:teehee
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 04, 2009, 04:38:55 AM
:-[
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 04, 2009, 04:41:44 AM
Patel =  8)
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Don Flamenco on April 04, 2009, 02:54:04 PM
Thank you syntesizer patel I really like your kung fu
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Cheebs on April 04, 2009, 03:31:32 PM
None of these fights would happen if we were able to buy cocaine and heroin over the counter at our local grocery store guys.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Brehvolution on April 04, 2009, 03:34:24 PM
don't tell him, but i was yanking it to his sultry voice the whole time we were recording last week

:rofl
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2009, 03:51:46 PM
None of these fights would happen if we were able to buy cocaine and heroin over the counter at our local grocery store guys.

Better yet, what about liquor stores? If you can buy light beer how come you can't buy light meth
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Bloodwake on April 04, 2009, 04:42:52 PM
Patel, you can take my anal virginity anyday  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 04, 2009, 05:18:06 PM
Patel, you can take my anal virginity anyday  :-* :-* :-*

Seems like everyone here would rather bugger Patel. 
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 05, 2009, 10:15:50 PM
Missing the point, again :-\

Yep.  :-\
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Diunx on April 05, 2009, 10:16:55 PM
So this thread was about GS? LOL :rofl
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Positive Touch on April 05, 2009, 10:21:25 PM
Missing the point, again :-\

The point being that making pot basically legal without making its cultivation legal ensures that criminals will be the ones growing pot? How fucking novel.

no, the point is that people think you're a whiny dickhead in arguments, and they do not like this
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 05, 2009, 10:24:09 PM
Missing the point, again :-\

The point being that making pot basically legal without making its cultivation legal ensures that criminals will be the ones growing pot? How fucking novel.

Wrong.

Here is the sequence and context, spelled out for you.

Step 1)  You make the statement that one of the things that should take place immediately (ie. not in your fantasy future where all drugs are legal, organized crime doesn't exist, etc.) is for police to execute drug warrants calmly and with weapons holstered.
Step 2)  I call you out on it.
Step 3)  You respond with the exact quote I put up earlier on this page: "Boogie, I'm wondering why you think no-knock warrants with SWAT tactics are necessary when looking for drug dealers"  (aka, the MOST FUCKING STUPID THING I'VE HEARD ON THE INTERNET ALL WEEK)
Step 4) I reply "because drug dealers have guns"
Step 5) You reply "And you think they would open fire on a big squad of cops knowing they'd be ending their lives by doing so?" (aka, the NEW MOST FUCKING STUPID THING I'VE HEARD ON THE INTERNET ALL WEEK)

And that is where Malek referencing the Mayerthorpe shootings comes in.  A situation demonstrating your ignorance, where, as per your quote above, SOMEONE  "would open fire on a big squad of cops knowing they'd be ending their lives by doing so?"  (aka YOU'RE distinguished mentally-challenged)
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: tiesto on April 05, 2009, 10:29:30 PM
Guess I'm late to the Patel love in...

:heart Indians :heart
:heart Synthesizers :heart

there we go!  :-*
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 05, 2009, 10:34:54 PM
... these types of operations when used against suspected dealers go against the spirit of the American Constitution (but you're from Canada, so I don't know what kind of ideas you guys have on that subject)

Sick cultural burn! :cop
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 05, 2009, 10:44:00 PM
<snip>

You're still on this point?

You're the one who cherry-picked Malek's article, missing his point.  Try to pay attention to your own goddamn posts.

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Many people do not want military-style operations being conducted in their neighborhoods.

And I bet more people don't want drug dealers living in their neighbourhoods either.  But then, I doubt that simple majority opinion factors in to your views on what drug policy should be.


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Furthermore, many people would argue that these types of operations when used against suspected dealers go against the spirit of the American Constitution

Are you fucking kidding me?  Unless you folks in the states have spiralled even further than most of us foreigners think, raids on drug houses and the like involve these things called SEARCH WARRANTS, in which every action to be performed must be justified in front of a JUDGE.  That doesn't go against the "spirit of the American constitution", quite on the fucking contrary, you ignorant twat.

 
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No-knock warrants place people at risk because if someone breaks down your front door and you have a weapon, your first impulse is to reach for your weapon,

Well, ignoring the American obsession with guns for home defense (which I think is bullshit), let's change it up.  Because it isn't "someone" breaking down your front door, it's the MOTHERFUCKING POLICE breaking down your door, decked out in POLICE TACTICAL GEAR, which say POLICE, on it, all the while yelling "POLICE SEARCH WARRANT"

If with all of that going on, your "first impulse" is to reach for a weapon, then you fucking deserve to be shot.  When the police kick the door in, your first impulse should be to shoot your empty fucking hands so high in the air that we would think you're trying to grab ahold of the fucking moon.

 
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and the cop's first impulse if he sees this is to shoot you.
 

Yup.

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Did you read a single story from the website I posted about drug-war collateral damage?

of course I did.  In some of those situations, it is obvious the police screwed up.  And I am a firm believer that when the police screw up, we need to be held accountable.

But some of those situations seemed more complicated than the website's two-sentence blurb could convey.

As an aside.  There were 43 people on the list in your link.  Each of those 43 stories is a tragedy.

But as I said, police officers go in hard because there's reason to.  The average number of police officers killed in the line of duty every year in the United States is 152!!.  And HALF of that number is due to being shot, murdered by a criminal.

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It sounds like you think my motivation for wanting to end the drug war is so that I can shoot heroin in the street, when in actuality my motivation is to end the massive toll of death and suffering that the drug war causes.

oh, I have no doubt that is your motivation.  That doesn't excuse your ignorance.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 05, 2009, 10:47:20 PM
no, the point is that people think you're a whiny dickhead in arguments, and they do not like this

How do I act like a whiny dickhead in arguments?

Go take a walk, play with a kitten or something, whatever.  Then come back and read your posts and imagine that you're not the one making them.

Probably still doesn't help, tho.  You're just a little too tightly wound for the internets, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Mandark on April 05, 2009, 10:47:36 PM
If you really wanted to mitigate the death toll of the drug war, you could chip in by not using cocaine when it's monopolized by murderers.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Barry Egan on April 05, 2009, 10:49:01 PM
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/askville/1695487_7140458_mywrite/simpsons_-_bart.jpg)
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 05, 2009, 10:49:32 PM
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/askville/1695487_7140458_mywrite/simpsons_-_bart.jpg)

:lol :lol :lol

F'n perfect.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Mandark on April 05, 2009, 10:50:05 PM
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/askville/1695487_7140458_mywrite/simpsons_-_bart.jpg)

 :lol
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 05, 2009, 10:50:42 PM
 :lol

If you really wanted to mitigate the death toll of the drug war, you could chip in by not using cocaine when it's monopolized by murderers.  Sheesh.

It's not his responsibility to know where the opium in his tea came from!  He's washed his hands - washed his hands of this whole mess!
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 05, 2009, 11:58:39 PM
GS, willing to fight this until the bitter end, eh?
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 06, 2009, 12:04:28 AM
<snip>

There is a huge difference between *knock* "Good morning, sir, we have a warrant to search these premises," and *door is splintered as a bunch of armed men charge through your door at the same time as two men dressed in black kevlar dive through your front window* "POLICE, FREEZE!!!!"  

 :-\

..

Nope, still don't get it.

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I am pretty certain that the founders of the U.S. Constitution did not consider the latter scenario a "reasonable search."

The founders of the Constitution aren't the ones who sign search warrants.  Judges do.  Judges living in the 21st century, with knowledge of the dangers that drug dealers present.  You sound like the distinguished mentally-challenged pro-gun lobby.  Laws and interpretations of laws change as society changes.  Just as the Second Ammendment didn't envision fully automatic assault rifles (protip: in the 18th century, a firearm was single-shot, and took nearly a minute to reload).

I mean, if you're such a "slave" (pun intended) to the original wordings of the U.S. Constitution, then you must be absolutely outraged that black people are counted as a full person for such things as the census, yes?  Back to counting them as 3/5ths of a person, like the founding fathers intended!

GS, willing to fight this until the bitter end, eh?

Yeah, and his "debating style" (if you can call it that) is such a blunt instrument that he reduces my entire post to a "snip" and posts an out-of-context response that doesn't adequately address, well, anything I wrote.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 06, 2009, 12:21:55 AM
Boogie, whatever you can say about my arguments; at least I have kept my side of it civil and not casually thrown insults into it. 

*whistles innocently* (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=29490.msg823138#msg823138)

Sure thing, turbo.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 06, 2009, 12:36:19 AM
Boogie, whatever you can say about my arguments; at least I have kept my side of it civil and not casually thrown insults into it.

I make no apology for my language.  I only bust out the cursing and derision at people who do not argue rationally and who distort or ignore my arguments, or simply exhibit sustained ignorance in the face of an honest attempt at education.  You have done so, hence my colourful language.


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The fact of the matter is that military-style operations are conducted against citizens who oftentimes are guilty of no other crime than servicing the market of people who want to get high.

ah, and here is the heart of it.  You view drug dealers as honest businessmen who are simply providing a service to those who desire it.  Nevermind that they push shit on kids.  Nevermind that much of the ecstacy produced by drug producers these days is laced with meth in order to get people hooked.  (or that meth and ecstacy labs are practically TIME BOMBS waiting to go off). Nevermind that drug dealers own illegal firearms, and tend to commit numerous other crimes in addition to the "service" they provide.

This is why I use abusive language.  because you say STUPID FUCKING SHIT like the above.


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This offends me as a human being.

Poor baby.  What offends me is shitrats murdering police officers who are carrying out legal, judicially-authorized searches and other warrants.


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There are a number of ways that drug dealers could be arrested that do not resort to these dangerous tactics.

NO, THERE AREN'T.

Are you paying any attention?  I'm a police officer.  I am arguing from a position of authority and knowledge about the issues of police officer safety, risk assessment, and Use of Force.

Tell me, what's your expertise on the subject?


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For example, the suspected dealer could be arrested when he leaves his house,

Yeah, they can arrest drug dealers like that.  But they'll still be doing it at gunpoint.   And that only deals with the arrest.  In order to secure convictions, one needs to find evidence.  That is done through searches.  And when you search a drug dealer's house you don't know WHO THE FUCK IS INSIDE AND WHETHER THEY MIGHT HAVE WEAPONS.


 
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or the police could announce the warrant over a loudspeaker.

 :smug

My first time using that smiley.  It feels good.

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It's clear that I'm more idealistic when it comes to privacy and property rights than you are, but I don't think that I'm so idealistic as to be an "ignorant twat."

Oh, you are.  And it's not about privacy and property rights.  If the warrant is signed, your privacy and property rights are going to be infringed upon by the state whether we ask nicely or not.  What a hard entry is about is the safety of the very lives of the officers involved.

 
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You could argue that evidence could be destroyed if the police didn't have the element of surprise, but I would say that I hope the police have more evidence against these people than mere possession if these tactics are to be used.

Well, that's just, your opinion, man.

Fortunately, the justice system of the United States would seem to disagree with that opinion.  (and :lol at police searching for evidence of "mere possession" in drug searches.  You don't know anything about what evidence police are looking for in a search. :lol)

And again (sigh), it's not just about evidence.  It's about officer safety.

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I'm not saying that no-knock warrants should absolutely never be used, but I don't think that the crimes that these people are often committing justify the use of them.

That's nice.  Your opinion means dick all to me.  You're not risking your life on the pleasant, cooperative attitude of drug dealers.

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Also, for the record, I am strongly in favor of stricter gun control.

hooray for you.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2009, 12:40:55 AM
Boogie out of interest, do you think SWAT type raids of overwhelming force are a good way of deterring a potential fire fight?

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Post by: Diunx on April 06, 2009, 12:43:12 AM
This thread sucks.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 06, 2009, 12:52:27 AM
Boogie out of interest, do you think SWAT type raids of overwhelming force are a good way of deterring a potential fire fight?



Yes, I do.  Not that they'll always deter the subject, but mere human psychology is such that you're far less likely to confront an officer who is alert, dressed up tactically, has his firearm drawn, goes in with superior numbers, and overwhelms your senses, rather than going in calmly and softly, being polite, and not appearing tactically aware.

That's part of why people think cops are assholes, because we have to be in control of a situation, we have to make people believe that they will not win a physical encounter.

There's a story of a big tough, higher-up Hell's Angel.  Tattoos up the wazoo, you know, a real tough guy.  The guy who probably brags to his buddies about standing up to those "fucking pigs".

But when a Canadian SWAT team executed an arrest warrant for him and busted down the door to the clubhouse, he was so terrified and timid that he literally shit his pants.  But if a couple of general duty officers knocked on the door and politely asked him to come with them because he's under arrest, things probably would have gone far differently.


This thread sucks.

Sorry.  :-\


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Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 06, 2009, 01:04:19 AM
Boogie can enter my back door unannounced whenever he likes. No warrants necessary.  :-*


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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 06, 2009, 01:05:20 AM
Hence forth, all consensual, but violent anal penetration will be referred to as, "SWAT-style" or "No Knockin'".
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 06, 2009, 01:07:13 AM
Boogie can enter my back door unannounced whenever he likes. No warrants necessary.  :-*




 :hyper :shh
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 06, 2009, 01:24:20 AM
'The ones who push shit on kids could be arrested on the street. '

On the street? While they're pushing drugs to kids? REALLY?

Frankly, the risk to a drug dealer's front door seems more acceptable than the risk from a shoot-up in the middle of the street with kids around.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 06, 2009, 01:36:10 AM


The ones who push shit on kids could be arrested on the street. I'd honestly have no trouble with meth labs being busted in; my argument is that these tactics shouldn't be used against suspected low-level dealers.

And again, you have ignored my previous point that low-level dealers can be JUST AS VIOLENT AS THE HIGHER UPS.

The only reason why we're going around in circles is that YOU ARE IGNORING WHAT I AM SAYING.  THAT IS WHY I AM CALLING YOU NAMES.




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You are also arguing from a position of extreme bias as an officer.

Ah, so you are ignoring my knowledge under the guise of me being "biased."

smh


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Whatever your job is, your first priority is going to be making your job easier.

WRONG.  My fucking job, my first priority, is coming home alive at the end of the day.  THAT'S the basis for most of my positions on this subject.




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So you're admitting that these tactics would be used when the police don't already have substantial evidence? That's horrible.

Now you just don't understand the legal basis for a search warrant.  Reasonable and probable ground to believe, etc., etc.  

 :-\

The purpose of a search is to FIND EVIDENCE.  By DEFINITION that means that police don't have ALL THAT THEY NEED.  But, if they are able to articulate to a judge in a search warrant, that there are reasonable and probable grounds to believe that a search of that place will afford evidence of the offence, then the judge may authorize the search.

Do you fucking know anything about the justice system?


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"This is the police. We have you surrounded. Come out with your hands up" has worked for centuries.

Public policing has only existed since the mid 1800s.  Google Sir Robert Peel.

And again, who the fuck says that has worked for centuries?  You're pulling shit out of your ass from watching TV shows or something.  gtfo.

And did you miss the part where fully automatic weapons have become more widespread in recent decades?  Society, crime, and technology change.  So shit that works for centuries doesn't work anymore.

A couple decades ago, all a police officer had on his belt was a gun and a nightstick.  So you were either getting shot, or you were getting beaten down.  But now we have pepper spray and tazers, because times change.


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I'm not saying that no-knock warrants should never be used, but they should be used in extreme cases. Over 50,000 knockless warrants were served in 2005, vs. 3000 in 1981. Clearly more discretion should be used in this matter.

Maybe.  But you're not providing any context for that stat.  That increase doesn't happen for no reason.  Perhaps there is a relation with incidents of assaults on officer executing warrants, etc.



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As I said, it's unfortunate that your job is so difficult, but the rights of citizens should be the first priority.

and again, we're talking about search warrants.  Those rights are already being infringed by judicial authorization.  Police and public safety are the top priorities for an officer.


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Yes, it is my opinion that if extreme tactics are going to be used, they should be used in cases where there is already a substantial body of evidence against the suspect. Doors shouldn't get broken in because of an "anonymous tip."

Every provision has to be justified in the warrant.  If that "anonymous tip" is reliable, and says that there are guns in the house, then guess what...



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The entire justification for knockless warrants is that evidence could potentially be destroyed if police announced their arrival.

Wrong.  That's part of the justification, but not all of it.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 06, 2009, 01:38:59 AM
No bias in th...o wait cato institute.

Hmm, didn't GS just say he's in favour of strong gun control?  Maybe he should see what CATO's opinion is on that...
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Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 06, 2009, 01:48:17 AM


- Knockless warrants are often authorized on extremely flimsy evidence

About to go to bed, don't have time to read it now.

But on this point.  Knockless warrants may be overused in the States.  But decreasing them won't satisfy you.  Do you know why?  Because there isn't much of a difference between a knockless and knock drug search warrant.

Knockless:
*Door is busted open, police rush in with guns drawn, yelling police, and arresting everyone inside to be sorted out later*

Knock:
*knock on door, yell "police, search warrant."  Wait 5-10 seconds.  If no one answers door in 5-10 seconds, Door is busted open, police rush in with guns drawn, yelling police, and arresting everyone inside to be sorted out later*


Your objection was to going in hard, with guns drawn.  That's going to happen with or without a knock.  Doesn't matter.

I know that the article opposes that practise, but I don't care.  It is not safe for a search team to knock on the door and stand around waiting politely for the drug dealer to come open the door for them.  Period.
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Post by: Boogie on April 06, 2009, 01:59:08 AM


http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=68509828-1566-472d-9a68-79f43b522950 (http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=68509828-1566-472d-9a68-79f43b522950)


Oh, wonderful.  Looks like a one-sided article (because the individual gets to blab to the press, but the police are under strict rules not to leak information in order to protect the integrity of the trial.  This inevitably makes the police look bad in the eyes of the media.  I'd be interested in hearing the follow-up to the case)

So it's a he-said she-said situation, except that the dude is admitting he had a gun and that he reached for it.  Like I said, first instinct should be to raise your hands, not grab your fucking handgun.  Police bust into house, dude grabs gun, dude gets shot.  I have little sympathy for him, to be perfectly honest.

anyhow, bed time for me.  I'll see about continuing the circus tomorrow.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on April 06, 2009, 02:22:28 AM
Cop killing justified

:smug
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 06, 2009, 02:33:26 AM
SHINOBIWORLD

WHERE COPS FIGHT CRIME WITH LOLLIPOPS AND POST-IT NOTES.

OPIATES FREELY AVAILABLE IN SOBE PRODUCTS AND YOUR LOCAL 7-ELEVEN.

GANG WARS ARE SOLVED THROUGH JOUSTING.
(wait there are no gang wars, since we legalized drugs and got rid of unnecessary no knock warrants and swat tactics)

THE ARTS COMMUNITY IS OVERRATED.

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Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 06, 2009, 02:46:04 AM
:lol

well-played, Willco
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2009, 03:08:22 AM
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GS would you calmly serve a warrant to these two distinguished black gentlemen?
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on April 06, 2009, 05:09:25 AM
Jackfrost was more of a snarky but charming guy to me.  Patel seems a bit more jaded.

Maybe it was just the old slime avatar
<8D)
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: twerd on April 06, 2009, 05:25:43 AM
Okay, reply to this tomorrow, but you are aware that in most cases a citizen is allowed to defend his or her home against intruders, even to the point of killing the intruder if necessary? Knockless warrants combined with this philosophy can lead to a lot of problems.

Are you B!TCH on the other forums?
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Post by: Fresh Prince on April 06, 2009, 05:33:08 AM
Green Shinobi is FoC's alt.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 06, 2009, 08:33:57 AM
GS, maybe you should take a break from this forum for a couple of weeks.  You can't seem to make another post here without digging yourself in a deeper hole.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 07, 2009, 08:30:52 PM
Okay, reply to this tomorrow, but you are aware that in most cases a citizen is allowed to defend his or her home against intruders, even to the point of killing the intruder if necessary? Knockless warrants combined with this philosophy can lead to a lot of problems.

Okay, first of all, yes, of course a citizen has a right to self defense, and a right to defend his property and his home.  But that should not turn into the right to take any and all action he feels like.  I must confess that I know nothing of what the limits to those rights are in United States Law, but in general, self-defence requires that you only use necessary force. Suppose, for example, a 17 year old Amirox were to break into my house to steal some DVDs and wreck some shit because he thought no one was home.  But I was home.  I would be justified in kicking his ass and throwing him out the door because I'm defending my property and my home.  But if I were to come downstairs, see the disgusting fat kid looting my shit, go back upstairs and fetch my shotgun, and come back down and blow him away, I would not be justified in doing so.  I would be a murderer, because that was not necessary force.  It was just a distinguished mentally-challenged, obese, self-centered druggie teenager with no respect for the rights of others trying to have some fun by wrecking other people's shit.  Deserving of an ass kicking?  Sure, but not some 12-gauge buckshot to the chest.

Of course, that example is not directly relevant to our discussion.

But I can tell you my opinion, and that is that Americans are generally way too obsessed with this right.  Some Americans seem to get positively horny at the idea of repelling a home invasion with their God-given handgun.  And it goes to the idea expressed in the thread about America becoming desensitized to mass killings that American culture seems to value and idolize the "self" even over the value of human life itself.

In any event, that has nothing to do with judicially-authorized warrants executed by police.  You have the right to defend your home.  You do not have the right to resist a judicial warrant by force.  Police who execute such warrants are wearing labels identifying themselves as such, and announce their presence, loudly, as such.  When making an entry, we are trained to constantly yell "POLICE, STOP!" or "POLICE, SEARCH WARRANT" until our voices give out.

Right to defend your property?  Check.
Right to shoot at police?  Not check.

So let's not kid ourselves here.  If the police are doing their jobs, there's no question about who they are and what's going on, and thus no justification for those inside to resist.  It is America's "culture" of guns and violence that lead people to shoot at police, not the other way around.

Or put another way, how on EARTH could you possibly interpret a police raid as anything other than....well, a police raid?

How many criminal organizations in the United States are there that routinely conduct home invasions with teams of 10+ people, all decked out with body armour, and armed with submachine guns, automatic shotguns, and assault rifles?  And who make their entry by yelling and announcing their presence (with those yells being "STOP POLICE" to boot?)  I mean, this is the USA, not Mexico.  Can you show me some articles, news clips, or studies?  'cause if this is happening, fuck, we better write off the ol' US of A right now.  I'm willing to harbour select EB'ers on my couch and sponsor you for immigration to Canada.

And let's be serious, if the above WERE happening, how in GOD'S NAME would the best course of action be to grab your nearest gun of choice and start firing back?!  There's a dozen of them versus one of you, they're armed with submachine guns and assault rifles, they're wearing body armour, and they've caught you by surprise.  If you have ANY FUCKING SENSE OF SELF-PRESERVATION, your reaction should be just about the same as if you thought they were the police:  to stick your empty fucking hands straight in the air.  And then let them take whatever the fuck they want and hope they let you live.

Now, to finish up, I'll go back to a phrase you have used repeatedly, and is also found on that CATO article (perhaps that's where you got it from?)  You repeatedly refer to the "militarization of police", as if that is a boogeyman, a bad thing.  As if it is self-evident that it is something to be reviled.  Now, that may be a very effective co-opting of language to shape the debate, but let me ask why that is something to be feared?  Or blamed on the police and authorities?

Generally speaking, I think that our police forces reflect the society that they police.  Authoritarian regimes such as China and the Soviet Union were repressive, with no regard for human rights, and hence their police followed that pattern.  Western societies have entrenched human rights, and have checks and balances in their political systems.  And so it is with Western police services, which are subject to civilian oversight, checks and balances, and training that emphasizes conflict-resolution as much as physical training and defensive tactics.  And so it is, in fact, that even Western police forces over the past half-century or so have evolved to reduce their reliance on physical force, increased civilian oversight and accountability.  Certainly in Canada, this shift has been reflected in the education levels of police, as today a police officer usually has some sort of postsecondary degree, often a full four-year Bachelor's, while fifty years ago that probably would have been unheard of.  It's not a perfect system, but no system is.  Yes there are corrupt cops and asshole cops, but you just have to deal with them on a case-by-case basis, and gradually tweak the system when those imperfections reveal themselves.

So, given that, what is to be made of the development and growth of SWAT teams and other tactical teams in the US and Canada since the 1970s? 

The CATO article tries to paint a picture of an ever-more-prevalent police state, increasing police violence, and deteriorating rights of private citizens.  But of course that's what they did.  It's CATO, they're libertarians, and they view the almost every government and societal trend of the past 30 years with hostility.  The CATO article cites the increasing prevalence of SWAT teams since the 1980s as a "bad thing" in such a way that its "badness" should be self evident.

But what might be an alternative theory?  First, I will admit not having any background or expertise in the history and development of SWAT teams (though I will admit a desire to join the RCMP equivalent, the Emergency Response Team, at some point in my career).  Nonetheless, with just a few facts, I will present an opposing viewpoint.

As per http://home1.gte.net/vzn05sxc/lawfacts.htm

The deadliest year in United States Law Enforcement history was 1974.  That year, 268 police officers were killed in the line of duty.  In fact, the 1970s was the deadliest decade for law enforcement in history.  A total of 2,182 officers were killed, or an average of 218 per year.

When did SWAT teams come about?  The idea for SWAT is attributed to Daryl Gates of the LAPD, in 1968. The first deployment of SWAT was in 1969, and in 1971, the LAPD formed the first full-time SWAT team.

  The FBI's Hostage Rescue Team was created in 1982.  In Canada, the first RCMP ERT was formed in the 70s.  As the CATO article states, these sorts of units expanded throughout the 80s and 90s.

What happened to law enforcement fatalities in that period?  Well gee, they decreased.  From the 1970s figure of 218 per year, the 1990s saw an average of 152 fatalities per year.  Quoth the article:

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Largely due to the increased use of soft body armor, better training and improved equipment, police deaths have been on the decline for the past two decades. During the 1980’s we averaged 187 officer fatalities each year, and in the 1990’s we averaged 153.

So, in the three decades following the development and growth of SWAT teams, police officer fatalities went from an average of 218 per year in the 70s, 187 in the 80s, and 152 in the 90s.  The "militarization" of police, as you put it, had a purpose.  It has saved lives.

Yes, I know, correlation is not causation, but I wonder whether those statistics made their way into that book that CATO is shilling in the article.  If I were a betting man, I'd say no.
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Post by: Flannel Boy on April 07, 2009, 08:42:16 PM
holy shit loki.

Admit that your ulterior purpose was simply to ridicule Amirox.
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Post by: Boogie on April 07, 2009, 08:50:21 PM
holy shit loki.

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Admit that your ulterior purpose was simply to ridicule Amirox.

 ....maaaaaybe...  :shh
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 07, 2009, 08:51:27 PM
Boogie :bow2

Sometimes, when I make love to a woman, I pretend I'm Patel.

Other times, I pretend she's Patel.

 :lol
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Rman on April 07, 2009, 08:57:28 PM
Wow @ this thread. :lol
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 07, 2009, 09:28:29 PM
fantastic (and entertaining) post, Boogie

:bow Boogie :bow2
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Post by: Fresh Prince on April 07, 2009, 09:36:47 PM
Boogie will be commissioner of mounting one day. Mark my words.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 07, 2009, 09:58:56 PM
Boogie for Icon.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 07, 2009, 10:13:37 PM
I don't think you can recommend yourself for Icon privileges.

Plus, I'm not so sure the rest of 'em are so keen about letting Johnny Law into our den of sin.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 07, 2009, 10:14:12 PM
I don't think you can recommend yourself for Icon privileges.

Plus, I'm not so sure the rest of 'em are so keen about letting Johnny Law into our den of sin.

awww, damn.

I'm sure my verbosity will at least garner me Loki's vote. :P   :-*
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Brehvolution on April 07, 2009, 10:14:18 PM
Boogie for Icon.

.

What a thread derail. Sorry Patel.

Goddam
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 07, 2009, 10:15:49 PM
I'm sure my verbosity will at least garner me Loki's vote. :P   :-*

His is a silent vote.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 07, 2009, 10:16:44 PM
I'm sure my verbosity will at least garner me Loki's vote. :P   :-*

His is a silent vote.

such cruel irony
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 07, 2009, 10:17:13 PM
I am fine with making the good sheriff an icon
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 07, 2009, 10:18:47 PM
I don't want to hear any protests when the RCMP raid your house all SWAT-style with "No Knock" warrants after you post about your blatant Internet piracy.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 07, 2009, 10:24:54 PM
I am a good librul and model citizen :tophat

Not a dirty cokesnorting, restroom toe-tapping kid-diddlin' Republican figurt :punch
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 07, 2009, 10:28:01 PM
Also, imagine if we lured Boogie into the seedy underbelly of the Internet.  Perhaps he would be seduced by our free spending debauchery, and slip into a state of euphoria of which there is no escape!
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 07, 2009, 10:29:35 PM
Also, imagine if we lured Boogie into the seedy underbelly of the Internet.  Perhaps he would be seduced by our free spending debauchery, and slip into a state of euphoria of which there is no escape!

hey now, I escaped OA mostly unscathed, surely you can do no worse than that?!
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 07, 2009, 10:30:11 PM
The Icon Forum makes Opa-Ages look like fucking Disneyland.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: drew on April 07, 2009, 10:32:27 PM
oa sucks now

icon forum is a snoozefestival

federwang trippin again
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 07, 2009, 10:34:21 PM
You wish you had access to the Icon forum - it's incredible.

It's like, being born in a bath full of Santana DVX.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: drew on April 07, 2009, 10:35:25 PM
Not a dirty cokesnorting, restroom toe-tapping kid-diddlin' Republican figurt :punch

u ever try coke on opioids?

feels good man
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: demi on April 07, 2009, 10:40:24 PM
I will allow Boogie if he frisks the huskiest of canadian men in the name of justice

And document it

On tape
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: drew on April 07, 2009, 10:43:00 PM
thats gay youre gay
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: demi on April 07, 2009, 10:44:50 PM
I find nothing wrong with that

In the name of justice
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 07, 2009, 10:47:43 PM
HOMOJUSTICE

New ABC crime drama about Canadian mountie who takes out vigilante justice on homophobic, overweight men the only way he knows how!
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: demi on April 07, 2009, 10:49:10 PM
A JJ Abrams production
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 07, 2009, 10:49:11 PM
HOMOJUSTICE

New ABC crime drama about Canadian mountie who takes out vigilante justice on homophobic, overweight men the only way he knows how!

Due South 2: Below the Boarder
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: demi on April 07, 2009, 10:49:54 PM
boarder
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 07, 2009, 10:52:58 PM
Boogie fights crime; his partner Carson Kressley fights fashion crime. Together, they probe penal violations.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 07, 2009, 10:53:02 PM
Thank you kindly, Demi.

Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 07, 2009, 10:53:44 PM
Leper Arvie
Ban Malek
Icon Boogie
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 07, 2009, 10:55:00 PM
I'm for the last two.

Boogie is it true that half of RCMP training is watching all four seasons of Due South? 
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 07, 2009, 11:02:10 PM

Boogie is it true that half of RCMP training is watching all four seasons of Due South? 

 :ninja
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on April 07, 2009, 11:07:31 PM
Holy shit.

:bow Boogie
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: tiesto on April 07, 2009, 11:08:34 PM
SHINOBIWORLD

WHERE COPS FIGHT CRIME WITH LOLLIPOPS AND POST-IT NOTES.

OPIATES FREELY AVAILABLE IN SOBE PRODUCTS AND YOUR LOCAL 7-ELEVEN.

GANG WARS ARE SOLVED THROUGH JOUSTING.
(wait there are no gang wars, since we legalized drugs and got rid of unnecessary no knock warrants and swat tactics)

THE ARTS COMMUNITY IS OVERRATED.

SHINOBIWORLD: THE FUTURE OF TOMORROW - TODAY!

It's even the setting of a Master System game!

(http://www.gameexplorers.gr/primgs/AlexKiddInShinobiWorld_jpg_861c564d78721b10ed5c7297fb083768.jpg)
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Fresh Prince on April 07, 2009, 11:19:25 PM
Bah you people suck. The best show would be where Boogie plays the honest cop that can't bare to see people cry, Malek an alcoholic lawyer and Arvie as autistic computer programmer all working together use a special computer program to solve Candian crimes like people stealing maple syrup. They then go to Switzerland to meet up with Agent Cloud to solve Swiss crimes like kicking black people out and discussing tea.

At the end of the episode Arvie confuses a popular saying and the gang all have a laugh about it over a bottle of Crown Royale.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Ganhyun on April 07, 2009, 11:54:20 PM
Bah you people suck. The best show would be where Boogie plays the honest cop that can't bare to see people cry, Malek an alcoholic lawyer and Arvie as autistic computer programmer all working together use a special computer program to solve Candian crimes like people stealing maple syrup. They then go to Switzerland to meet up with Agent Cloud to solve Swiss crimes like kicking black people out and discussing tea.

At the end of the episode Arvie confuses a popular saying and the gang all have a laugh about it over a bottle of Crown Royale.

:bow :bow :bow
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 07, 2009, 11:56:14 PM
HOMOJUSTICE

New ABC crime drama about Canadian mountie who takes out vigilante justice on homophobic, overweight men the only way he knows how!

Due South 2: Below the Boarder

Are you kidding me, Arvie?

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: drew on April 07, 2009, 11:57:46 PM
firefox has a built in spellchecker u kno
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: BlueTsunami on April 08, 2009, 12:01:09 AM
When people misspell something, its usually mixing up letters, not creating different words all together. Its like Arvie's brains is running on two tracks each going in opposite directions.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 08, 2009, 12:02:56 AM
firefox has a built in spellchecker u kno

The funny thing is he actually uses Firefox's spellchecker.

Just imagine what his posts would look like if he didn't utilize it!
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 08, 2009, 12:06:02 AM
We probably would've gotten "boerdare" instead of "boarder".
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 08, 2009, 12:11:59 AM
boarder is a word!  It's just not the word I wanted to right, though it's not my fault as they sound exactly the same. 
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 08, 2009, 12:14:01 AM
He's doing it on purpose now.

LEPER/BAN
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 08, 2009, 12:14:10 AM
boarder is a word!  It's just not the word I wanted to right, though it's not my fault as they sound exactly the same. 

Seriously?!?!
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 08, 2009, 12:14:56 AM
It too sounds the same.  FUCK YOU ALL.   :'(
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 08, 2009, 12:15:34 AM
Arvie is the only person I know who types phonetically.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 08, 2009, 12:16:00 AM
distantmantra or White Man, diagnose Arvie's learning disability.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Fresh Prince on April 08, 2009, 12:17:09 AM
Is Arvie French Canadian?
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 08, 2009, 12:17:50 AM
distantmantra or White Man, diagnose Arvie's learning disability.

Why make it more complicated than it is?
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 08, 2009, 12:18:14 AM
Arvie is the only person I know who types phonetically.

The English language has too many Homophones for Arvie.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 09, 2009, 02:27:49 AM
Another swing and a miss for GS.  Awaiting another hard owning from Boogie.

Also leper or ban Father_Mike.  Not knowing how to spell "write" and "border" correctly is pretty inexcusable.  He's either trolling or is that dense.  If he gets any more dense, he would write poorly thought out rants about warrants, about the police state, and citing the Cato Institute, without actually knowing how said warrants work.  I think there should be a little pre-emptive action taken here.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 09, 2009, 02:54:41 AM
Having your door broken in and a gun pointed at your head based [sic] on an anonymous tip is not a reasonable search.

A judge won't hand out a search warrant based solely on an anonymous tip; that's not reasonable and probable grounds. If a judge does, the case against the accused will be dismissed or a superior court will overturn any possible convictions.

You've just crossed over from Muse-and-Sublime-are-good-delusional to the gold-standard-is-a-good-idea-delusional.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 09, 2009, 03:12:45 AM
don't go grouping sublime in with muse or there will be date rape styling going on in here.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: brawndolicious on April 09, 2009, 04:21:39 AM
GS, do you think you have a problem with the MAJORITY of the no-knock warrants being executed or not?  Mentioning freak accidents with scared senior citizens and tasers doesn't really help your case when you have a pretty polarized view on drug laws.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 09, 2009, 07:53:21 AM
i wish i had some drugs right now

i woke up with my back twinging again
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 09, 2009, 12:23:05 PM
GS has talked so much that I'm starting to side with him.  That vast amount of words and pointless links is a very compelling argument.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 09, 2009, 12:42:33 PM
http://www.huntingtonnews.net/local/090219-rutherford-localdrugraid.html (http://www.huntingtonnews.net/local/090219-rutherford-localdrugraid.html)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7637931 (http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7637931)

So this never happens?


I don't recall using the word never

The news stories (after coming to law school, I've learned the press isn't just bad at reporting science stories) claim the tips led to the searches; they omit to mention whether the tips first led police to obtain corroborating evidence. Unless the tips first led to successful attempts to get corroborating evidence, the cases will be dismissed or a superior court will overturn any possible convictions.
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Post by: Boogie on April 09, 2009, 05:33:47 PM
http://www.huntingtonnews.net/local/090219-rutherford-localdrugraid.html (http://www.huntingtonnews.net/local/090219-rutherford-localdrugraid.html)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7637931 (http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7637931)

So this never happens?


I don't recall using the word never

The news stories (after coming to law school, I've learned the press isn't just bad at reporting science stories) claim the tips led to the searches; they omit to mention whether the tips first led police to obtain corroborating evidence. Unless the tips first led to successful attempts to get corroborating evidence, the cases will be dismissed or a superior court will overturn any possible convictions.

ding.

Media am shit at reporting on the legal system.  I can only imagine what an Information to Obtain would look like containing just info from an anonymous tip. :lol

also, the media tends not to know the difference between an anonymous tip and a confidential informant.  Do you, GS? (though the one story mentions Crime Stoppers, so it would be an anonymous tip.)

GS knows fuck all about the legal system confirmed for the 47th time.  (That's all you get out of me until next week.  Happy Easter everyone! :) )
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 09, 2009, 05:48:15 PM


also, the media tends not to know the difference between an anonymous tip and a confidential informant.  Do you, GS?


The one makes it OK for police to point loaded guns at innocent drug dealers and the other one doesn't  :smug
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 09, 2009, 05:54:36 PM


also, the media tends not to know the difference between an anonymous tip and a confidential informant.  Do you, GS?


The one makes it OK for police to point loaded guns at innocent drug dealers and the other one doesn't  :smug

 :lol
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 15, 2009, 10:57:09 PM
Wise from yo grave!

Anyway, part of me didn't feel the need to reply.  I mean, my lengthy post summed things up nicely, I thought, and I don't think Shinobi has substantively addressed a tenth of what I've posted.

But I'm bored, so whatev.




According to that article and several others I've seen on the subject, police in the U.S. do not always immediately announce themselves as such.

That's nice.  Apart from the acknowledgement that yes, you might be able to find an instance where this has been the case, thinking rationally about the subject, you should realize that it is in our best interest to announce our presence upon entry, to limit the likelihood of us being shot

Yes, you can find examples of police screwups.  But there are police screwups because
A) Police are fallible human beings
B) There are an awful lot of police in the United States (sworn police officers numbering nearly 700,000)
C) Police actions tend to be in stressful, chaotic, and fluid situations.

Finding a few examples of where things go badly and then railing against the system is not a rational argument.  It is not evidence of dangerous, systemic flaws in the current system.


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Several articles claimed that they occasionally choose to open things with the use of flash-bang grenades.

And?  Flashbangs serve a purpose.  A nonlethal purpose to boot.


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Furthermore, when they're doing things in the middle of the night, they run the risk of encountering people who have just been woken up and are completely disoriented.

If they are completely disoriented, then they shouldn't be in a position to retrieve a firearm and blast away at the police before the SWAT team puts 'em in handcuffs.

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Suffice to say there are a number of reasons why someone might not immediately recognize police.

Maybe.  But none of those reasons are sufficient for someone to
1) Not immediately recognize the police
2) Make the conscious decision to go searching for one's shotgun (all the while police are storming in, again, marked as police, yelling "Police", etc.)
3) Aim at the police
4) Pull the trigger at the police.


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I think part of this disagreement is that you are a Canadian trying to argue that these raids are always conducted the exact same way in the U.S. as you would do them. According to a number of articles I've read, they aren't. Now it's possible that those articles are wrong, or are exaggerating the situation, in which case I would revise my argument.

Hiding behind the fact that I am Canadian and therefore all of my arguments are invalid due to the presumably vast chasm between American and Canadian legal and policing systems is absolute cowardly bullshit.  It is indicative of how COMPLETELY you are losing this debate.

Yes there are differences between Canada and the United States in its approach to policing, and in its drug policy (see: attitude towards marijuana, and sentencing of drug users and dealers)

But you are trying to say that because I am a Canadian police officer my arguments are less knowledgeable about American police than you, because you've read a few articles?!

Do you have ANY IDEA HOW STUPID THIS MAKES YOU LOOK?  You probably have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what the differences between Canadian and American policing are.  It's not like I'm a British police officer, who doesn't even fucking CARRY a gun.  Police officers are police officers.  The details and nuances may vary, the nature of the job doesn't.

Boogie: Trained, sworn Canadian police officer.
Green Shinobi:  umm, what the fuck does he even do for a living?  Taught english in Korea for a while or some shit?  I think he plays music or something too.  Anyway, he's read a couple articles from the CATO institute...



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I'd say a big reason for it is that these types of raids are a very traumatic and violating experience for most people, which you aren't taking into account.

A big reason for "it"?  No knock raids may be traumatizing, but "raids" aren't the entirety of the "militarization of police" that CATO refers to, and so is a very weak explanation.  Plus, since I would wager that in the majority of raids the occupants tend to end up being, err, guilty, I really don't give two shits if they feel traumatized or violated.  Poor muffins, you had a police officer wearing body armour yell at you.  I guess you shouldn't have been pushing smack on kids. :'(


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That's why I argued that their use should be restricted to dealers with a previous history of violence or some other type of crime, or at least to cases where there is already some substantial evidence that the person being raided is guilty.

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW SEARCH WARRANTS WORK.  YOU HAVEN'T LISTENED TO ANYTHING I'VE SAID ON THE SUBJECT.  FUCK OFF.



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If police can just break down the door of any house based on some anonymous tip,

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW SEARCH WARRANTS WORK.  YOU HAVEN'T LISTENED TO ANYTHING I'VE SAID ON THE SUBJECT.  FUCK OFF.


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they run a good chance of inflicting all this trauma on an innocent person.

Not that good a chance.

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Did you not read that at least one person has had a heart attack due to the stress of a no-knock raid?

A tragedy.  But we shouldn't base policy around people with dodgy hearts.


 
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they absolutely should not be used against someone when the only evidence against the person is an anonymous tip.

Once more:  YOU DON'T KNOW HOW SEARCH WARRANTS WORK.  YOU HAVEN'T LISTENED TO ANYTHING I'VE SAID ON THE SUBJECT.  FUCK OFF.


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Maybe in Canada. Have you not been following the increasing rate of taser use in the U.S?

 :lol

wait, hold on...

  :rofl

Yeah, because there's been no increasing rate of taser use in Canada.

No public controversy about somebody getting videotaped dying after getting hit with a taser in the Vancouver airport in the fall of 2007.

And no media hysteria regarding the device.

 :lol

GTFO.  How is referencing the taser  even a relevant response to my quote? And you clearly have no idea about the taser as a use of force option.


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I'm betting you don't keep track of the cases where cops have killed unarmed suspects or people who weren't even suspects at all. Just last month there was a case of an undercover officer shooting a man who came at him with a broom because he thought the cop was a burglar. The cop was cleared of any wrongdoing. He killed a man who came at him with a broom rather than get off the property. Sure it was the most efficient way for him to resolve the situation, but it resulted in an innocent man's death.

And this is the substitute for rational debate from you.  You simply pick and choose some controversial incident involving the police and the use of force, throw up your hands and say "See?!  Clearly the police are out of control and unaccountable!  And somehow this has to do with drugs!"

I'm surprised you haven't brought up the BART shooting.  It would have about as much relevance to the argument.

But the relevant part is "the cop was cleared of any wrongdoing".  That would mean, as is the case in our Western societies, that when a police officer kills someone, there is an investigation.  If there is enough evidence to go to trial, he will be charged.  He is subject to the same laws as the rest of society, and has the same rights too.  And that, in this case, either an investigation, or a judge, or a jury of his peers weighed the incident and determined that the officer was not guilty of an offence.

So, with that, in the face of your unfocused handwringing, I say again: fuck off.

Of course there will always be controversial incidents of police using force.  Because
1) The United States is a relatively violent society
2) The police have to deal with this violent society.  They have to respond to 911 calls, etc.
3)  There are lots of police in the United States. (again, about 700k)

Lots of police dealing with lots of violence = some controversial, unfortunate, tragic incidents.  And yes, in some of those incidents, the police may even be at fault.  But you deal with those incidents.



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This is becoming a theme in the U.S: police using deadly force because it is the most efficient way to do things, without regard for the potential civil rights violations that can result.

Bullshit.  That's your completely unsubstantiated opinion, and you have certainly done a piss-poor job of backing it up in this thread.

And since this statement was in the same paragraph as your taser comment, you probably think that the taser is "deadly force" too ::)


 
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Making no-knock warrants the de-facto means of drug searches is just another symptom of this.

De-facto?  You mean, other than the fact that the affiant has to request, justify, and defend the inclusion of no-knock entry?  GTFO.


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I know these cases aren't even close to a majority of police operations,

Holy shit, finally a concession to reality.

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but the fact remains that there have been a disturbing number of excessive uses of force in the U.S.,

Excessive use of force in whose opinion?  The law's?  Or your own (ignorant) opinion?

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and it's not unreasonable to conclude that it has something to do with the increased militarization of police forces.

Sure it is, and I think I've proven that pretty well in this thread.


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I don't disagree that these tactics are safer for police officers, which is why I conceded that they have a place.

Where did you concede that point?  All I've seen from you is whining about "the militarization of police" and thinking that police officers should execute drug warrants with guns holstered.

I mean, clearly you don't know the place for these tactics with your expressed ignorance of the violent potential of drug dealers.

 
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Under the Fourth Amendement, Americans have the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures. Having your door broken in and a gun pointed at your head based on an anonymous tip is not a reasonable search.

The American courts would seem to disagree.  Since they are the ones authorizing these searches, and convicting those charged due to these searches, and upholding those convictions upon appeal.

With a search warrant a JUDGE DECIDES WHETHER IT IS A REASONABLE SEARCH.  And then in trial, the presiding judge will AGAIN DECIDE WHETHER IT IS A REASONABLE SEARCH.



I think it's inherently unconstitutional, but I also have a pretty polarized view on civil rights. I understand that it's a safer method of serving warrants.

Okay, let's try something different here.

Rather than me calling you distinguished mentally-challenged for this statement, and then lecturing you like you're a 4th grader as to why you're distinguished mentally-challenged for this statement, I'm going to ask you to defend it.

Rather than just asserting your opinion that it is unconstitutional, explain why you think it is.  And don't just quote the Fourth Ammendment and say "because Americans have the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures".  Because your average run-of-the-mill search warrant also infringes upon one's right to be free from search and seizure, and I don't see you calling that unconstitutional.

So explain to me how, when a judge has to specifically authorize a no-knock entry and judge whether it is a "unreasonable" or "reasonable" search, that a no-knock warrant is "inherently" unconstitutional.  (And, by the way, calling it "inherently" unconstitutional would "inherently" contradict your previous statement where you "conceded that they have a place".  If the very idea of a no-knock warrant is that it is inherently unconstitutional, you shouldn't be able to concede that they have a place at all.)

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  but then, maybe that's like you saying that "ALL DRUGS SHOULD BE LEGALIZED" and then upon being challenged on your position dither and say "OKAY, ALL DRUGS EXCEPT MAYBE METH
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Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 15, 2009, 10:59:48 PM
I think Green Shinobi left, dude.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 15, 2009, 11:03:05 PM
pissing on a defeated man, boogie

smh
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Eric P on April 15, 2009, 11:04:06 PM
I think Green Shinobi left, dude.

you could certainly guarantee it
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 15, 2009, 11:11:05 PM
I think Green Shinobi left, dude.

Oh?

Oops, my bad.   :-[

pissing on a defeated man, boogie

smh

Well, if not when he's defeated, when are you supposed to piss on someone, then?   ???
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Fresh Prince on April 15, 2009, 11:13:54 PM
Clearly Canadian mounties have nothing better to do :smug
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: demi on April 15, 2009, 11:15:37 PM

Well, if not when he's defeated, when are you supposed to piss on someone, then?   ???

Anytime
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Barry Egan on April 15, 2009, 11:16:54 PM
what makes you guys think Green Shinobi left  ???
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Boogie on April 15, 2009, 11:18:27 PM
Clearly Canadian mounties have nothing better to do :smug

Not true.

I'm executing a no-knock warrant this week.  :smug
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Eric P on April 15, 2009, 11:31:40 PM
Clearly Canadian mounties have nothing better to do :smug

Not true.

I'm executing a no-knock warrant this week.  :smug

"JUST AS I THOUGHT!  MRS BUTTERSWORTH!  THIS IS TREASON!"
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: Diunx on April 15, 2009, 11:51:35 PM
Leper this thread.
Title: Re: Is it possible to ignore someone so you don't receive PMs from them?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 16, 2009, 11:23:14 AM
Just when Green Shinobi builds a little goodwill from Boogie beating a dead horse - he goes and ruins it by attempting another tired rebuttal. :dizzy

Case closed.