Define "everyone else."
That shit was hilarious! :lol :lol :lol
Kanye is such a dick. I will say tho, that his dick-ishness was useful at one point in time- I'm thinking specifically of the "George Bush don't like black people" incident.
That's basically the equivalent of forum nerd crashing the Oscars and complaining that The Dark Knight didn't win best picture.
"The Dark Knight was one of the best movies of all time! OF ALL TIME!!"
oh god i need video
That's basically the equivalent of forum nerd crashing the Oscars and complaining that The Dark Knight didn't win best picture.
"The Dark Knight was one of the best movies of all time! OF ALL TIME!!"
It was better than slumdog.
That's basically the equivalent of forum nerd crashing the Oscars and complaining that The Dark Knight didn't win best picture.
"The Dark Knight was one of the best movies of all time! OF ALL TIME!!"
It was better than slumdog.
that's racis
Kanye West ITPM Ol' Dirty Bastard.
[youtube=560,345]b2-5GSjZvW8[/youtube]
Kanye West ITPM Ol' Dirty Bastard.
[youtube=560,345]b2-5GSjZvW8[/youtube]
NIGGERS
That shit was cold as ice.
EDIT: Lmfao @ ODB. Wu-Tang is for the children! Yeah, tell Method Man that.
His hair wtf?Better than the mullet he was sporting a few months ago
Smh, more dumb comments.Wow, I agree with demi. What was the point of that?
Much like Kayne West, himuro is under the false belief that he somehow beat the system and the "man".
....smhWow, I agree with demi. What was the point of that?
Much like Kayne West, himuro is under the false belief that he somehow beat the system and the "man".
Kanye apologized on his blog to Taylor. "I'm in the wrong for going on stage and taking away from her moment," he wrote in part. "Beyonce's video was the best of this decade... I will apologize to Taylor."
Between this and Serena's behavior at the US Open, people should strongly consider if maybe segregation really wasn't such a bad idea after all.It seems like you're all in a competition to see who can make the most distinguished mentally-challenged or racist comment. Fucking idiots.
I eat cat poop.
:-\ :-\ :-\
omg at the photo of him at the VMAs :lol
(http://www.mtv.com/shared/promoimages/bands/w/west_kanye/kanye_amber091309/281x211.jpg)
Although it wasn't my intention, I understand how my last post could be misconstrued as being supportive of racialism.:lol
As atonement for my insensitivity and to show my support for Blackmericans, I've just purchased Black Bros Bangin' White Ho's 3 and White Sluts Black Nuts 2.
Kanye wishes that he was sleeping with Beyonce confirmed.
Kanye sleeping with Beyonce confirmed.
Wow, I agree with demi. What was the point of that?
http://forums.projectcovo.com/showthread.php?t=2215931
:lol
from the GAF thread:
[img]http://bigpichost.com/files/1_0z7l139_r0vghab5.gif[img]
dang. great face on this one. really nice eyes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxKIcrDsJAs
Why hate kanye cause he speaks his mind :lol
I like you, but that's pretty fucking foolish, Himuro. You sound like an old racist white dude right now. And I've never thought it was okay when you used coon either, but I usually just SMHed and kept it moving because the word always sounded so comical IMO.
Why are you worried about what someone thinks when they're dumb enough to judge a group of people based on something that one person did?
You may think the Kanye video is funny, and it is, but somewhere out in America, some white person who sees it will think,"Are all black people like that? That was completely insensitive and without class." Hence, Kanye acted like a straight up distinguished black fellow. I throw pants sagging, using ebonics, and more in the same category.
It was better than slumdog.
this black guy in front of me in class this morning had his head down the whole time, the class is only 50 minutes long, theres a quiz on friday
smh
(http://images.chron.com/photos/2009/09/13/18299211/US-VMA-KANYE-20090913EV.jpg)
Kanye's hair is amazing. :o
(http://images.chron.com/photos/2009/09/13/18299211/US-VMA-KANYE-20090913EV.jpg)
This has potential for a hilarious photoshop.
The worst thing Kanye did was give attention to both Taylor Swift and the the shitty MTV Video Music Awards. ::)
Man, Kanye is such an attention whore. I'm sick of hearing about his whiney antics. :-\
Himuro sucks.
Kanye's hair is amazing. :o
Himuro sucks.
I'm so sorry you're so sensitive.
http://showstalker.net/2009/09/taylor-swift-beyonce-vma-2009-video/
Here's the scene where Beyonce let Talyor talk. That was nice.
Himuro sucks.
I'm so sorry you're so sensitive.
At least I didn't call you a distinguished black fellow, like you did when you caught feelings for Kanye presenting a poor face to white people.
Don't you realize that people like you, who throw out that word when they feel like a black person isn't acting the way they should, will serve as an example for white bigots when they feel like disparaging a black person who isn't behaving the way they want them to? You're a worse enabler than Kanye is, yet "sucks" is a kinder way of putting things than "distinguished black fellow"
Beyonce let Swift come on stage and give her acceptance speech
http://showstalker.net/2009/09/taylor-swift-beyonce-vma-2009-video/
Class act
- Mark Henry
I finally watched the Beyonce video in question, God damn is that video mediocre. Its her and two other chicks dancing in a empty area and this is one of the best videos this decade? Music videos must such MASSIVE dick.
Who even watches music videos?
himu is thinking ahead-when enough black celebrities fuck up and send blacks back into slavery; himu will hold the prized position of massa's right hand man. he won't look foolish when he is a house negro and the rest are working in the field.Himuro sucks.
I'm so sorry you're so sensitive.
At least I didn't call you a distinguished black fellow, like you did when you caught feelings for Kanye presenting a poor face to white people.
Don't you realize that people like you, who throw out that word when they feel like a black person isn't acting the way they should, will serve as an example for white bigots when they feel like disparaging a black person who isn't behaving the way they want them to? You're a worse enabler than Kanye is, yet "sucks" is a kinder way of putting things than "distinguished black fellow"
I finally watched the Beyonce video in question, God damn is that video mediocre. Its her and two other chicks dancing in a empty area and this is one of the best videos this decade? Music videos must suck MASSIVE dick.
himu is thinking ahead-when enough black celebrities fuck up and send blacks back into slavery; himu will hold the prized position of massa's right hand man. he won't look foolish when he is a house negro and the rest are working in the field.Himuro sucks.
I'm so sorry you're so sensitive.
At least I didn't call you a distinguished black fellow, like you did when you caught feelings for Kanye presenting a poor face to white people.
Don't you realize that people like you, who throw out that word when they feel like a black person isn't acting the way they should, will serve as an example for white bigots when they feel like disparaging a black person who isn't behaving the way they want them to? You're a worse enabler than Kanye is, yet "sucks" is a kinder way of putting things than "distinguished black fellow"
You mean besides online?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxKIcrDsJAs
:rofl
Kanye really is a douche. I've never listened to Taylor Swift music before, and I'm sure she makes shitty music, but that was a very bad move.
Beyonce was so classy for letting Taylor Swift come on stage.
I finally watched the Beyonce video in question, God damn is that video mediocre. Its her and two other chicks dancing in a empty area and this is one of the best videos this decade? Music videos must suck MASSIVE dick.
Holy shit, this is the best meme in ages::lol Genius, except the hyphen doesn't belong
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b55/Danthrax40/kanyecandlejack.png)
Can't believe Himuro said what he did :lol :lol :lol
:lol He's an unbelievably pretentious douchenozzle that hasn't been relevant in half a decade. What's not to hate? Yeah, he provides some laughs, and yeah, Taylor Swift sucks, but he's still a prick.
I remember when rappers could crash award shows the right way
[youtube=560,345]b2-5GSjZvW8[/youtube]
More relevant then Taylor Swift anyway :smug
What do you mean he hasn't been relevant in half a decade? Graduation sold almost a million its first week out (after Late Registration sold 2.5 million in its first year), and 808s and Heartbreak has sold at least 2 million units in the U.S. alone. He also produced at least half of The Blueprint III, which is sure to go platinum, critically acclaimed or not. He may be a douche, but he's still relevant in a major way.Yeah, as far as sales go he's still there, but that's clearly not what I meant when I said relevant. He's nowhere near as good as he thinks he is, and whatever talent he had on College Dropout has been tainted by his ridiculous ego. This is the same guy that said his music is medicine, for fuck's sake.
I respect Kanye West as a musician - not only do I think he's culturally relevant, but he has a knowledge of music history that few of peers have.
That said, the guy has a massive ego, but it's tough to understand what's schtick and what's legitimate douchey behavior.
I respect Kanye West as a musician - not only do I think he's culturally relevant, but he has a knowledge of music history that few of peers have.
That said, the guy has a massive ego, but it's tough to understand what's schtick and what's legitimate douchey behavior.
What?
What?
Blueprint production...late registration :bow2
What?
Blueprint production...late registration :bow2
Kanye is not a musician. Blueprint production, while sounding great, boiled down to him looping soul samples. He doesn't flip samples like great producers like RZA or Dilla or even Dre. Kanye can't make a song without a sample, and recently he's trended more toward's Diddy style laziness (utilizing co-producers heavily, not really digging for samples, using popular samples, etc).
Stronger is a great example of lazy production. Of course it sounds good - it uses the most catchy part of the song.
I respect Kanye West as a musician - not only do I think he's culturally relevant, but he has a knowledge of music history that few of peers have.
He doesn't flip samples like great producers like ... Dre.
More relevant then Taylor Swift anyway :smug
Both of Taylor Swift's albums have more sales in the US than any of Kayne's four albums. :lol
Us is so so small. If it sank into the earth tomorrow Kanye would still be popular.
There's no denying that Dre makes those great sounding smash hits, but as far as the manipulation of samples are concerned? I'd have to go with Kanye. This is not me showing support; I don't really want to listen to either of 'em.
Truly great hip-hop producers?
DJ Shadow
Thes One
The Bomb Squad
Ced Gee
Ali Shaeed Muhammad
Dilla
The RZA
Young Einstein
The P Brothers
Cut Chemist
Flying Lotus
Edan
MF DOOM
i never said he was the best producer, but ripping songs off is a central idea of hip-hop. it's an intertextual genre from the get-go. kanye knows a hook, and picking brion for late registration was a great idea.
Hey, I like Stronger - it helps that I own like three Daft Punk albums too. :lol
Regardless of his ranking amongst hip hop producers, he is a musician. Call it lazy or what have you, but the man can manipulate samples to make catchy songs.
He's gone on record a bunch of time talking about music history, including rock, and I would state he's more knowledgeable in that area than a lot of his contemporaries. Does that make him better? Not necessarily.
I think it's tough to argue that he has no talent considering The College Dropout. Graduation is arguably his most commercial album and it's still relatively catchy.
Haters.
Hey, I like Stronger - it helps that I own like three Daft Punk albums too. :lol
Regardless of his ranking amongst hip hop producers, he is a musician. Call it lazy or what have you, but the man can manipulate samples to make catchy songs.
He's gone on record a bunch of time talking about music history, including rock, and I would state he's more knowledgeable in that area than a lot of his contemporaries. Does that make him better? Not necessarily.
I think it's tough to argue that he has no talent considering The College Dropout. Graduation is arguably his most commercial album and it's still relatively catchy.
Haters.
More relevant then Taylor Swift anyway :smug
Both of Taylor Swift's albums have more sales in the US than any of Kayne's four albums. :lol
Us is so so small. If it sank into the earth tomorrow Kanye would still be popular.
Whereas many rappers and hip hop fans have some of the most closed minded taste imaginable (imo)
There's no denying that Dre makes those great sounding smash hits, but as far as the manipulation of samples are concerned? I'd have to go with Kanye. This is not me showing support; I don't really want to listen to either of 'em.
Truly great hip-hop producers?
DJ Shadow
Thes One
The Bomb Squad
Ced Gee
Ali Shaeed Muhammad
Dilla
The RZA
Young Einstein
The P Brothers
Cut Chemist
Flying Lotus
Edan
MF DOOM
There's no denying that Dre makes those great sounding smash hits, but as far as the manipulation of samples are concerned? I'd have to go with Kanye. This is not me showing support; I don't really want to listen to either of 'em.
Truly great hip-hop producers?
DJ Shadow
Thes One
The Bomb Squad
Ced Gee
Ali Shaeed Muhammad
Dilla
The RZA
Young Einstein
The P Brothers
Cut Chemist
Flying Lotus
Edan
MF DOOM
cough DJ Premier cough
Considering people know him first and foremost as a rapper, you'd have to say that he knows more on music history than his peers.
Even amongst producers, he still has a rudimentary knowledge of music history that supersedes a lot of his peers. Most producers do look outside of hip hop for inspiration, however, they tend to look at stuff like jazz, R&B, etc.
I still think the influences tend to stay limited within the African-American musical experience, which you can claim is the foundation for all other imitators, but other cultures have made some interesting stuff over the years on their own.
Kanye is succesful because he's able to sample stuff from music that a wide demographic can connect to.
Again, you refer to sampling music from within the African-American musical experience. That right there should let you know where the argument stands.
I never said a) Kanye West is the only producer with a rudimentary knowledge of music history or b) he is a pioneer.
People have sampled from rock, industrial, alternative and house music before. It's not necessarily new.
But it is the exception.
p.s. music history and musical knowledge are two different things
music history and musical knowledge are two different things
You say Kanye is a musician...when he's not.
You've argued his production style is different from most of his peers, who mainly sample jazz/R&B/African American staples, which isn't necessarily true either.
The sampling techniques of the 90s and early 00s, before the chimpmonk style really started dominated, varied - perhaps more so than today. Think about Diddy's stuff during the time, which sampled rock to disco to pop etc. Kanye introduced soul sample dominance to the mainstream
(RZA was doing that shit on Wu Tang Forever but I wouldn't say that was a mainstream radio album). With Graduation he sampled many different genres, which Timbaland and other producers were doing to great years before.
In short, hip hop sampling has been varied for a long time, from Run DMC sampling rock to Kanye sampling Daft Punk.
edit: Brion made Late Registration
edit: Brion made Late Registration
Right, but who before Kanye would have had the gall to let Brion do that?
I would concede that RZA is certainly more varied than Kanye, but Timbaland? Nope.
How is that not true? You're willing to argue that the majority of producers don't sample mainly jazz, R&B, etc.?
Personally, I'm glad for Kanye ripping Daft Punk, because prior to "Stronger", the only other popular, mainstream convergence of hip hop and rock that people would point to - outside of Run DMC and Aerosmith - was Jay-Z and Linkin Park. :lol
other producers, especially in the mainstreamCome on now, that's like saying Kanye is the smartest kid on the short bus
Is Soulja Boy a musician?
Why? Sample wise he has worked with electronica, eastern music, and many other things for years. I can't say I'm a fan of his, but in terms of sample variation he takes the cake.
I'm not arguing that. The problem with your argument is that Kanye does too. In fact, his career is based on soul sampling. Recently he has began sampling other works but that doesn't change the fact that most of his work is firmly based on soul/r&b/pop/etc. Graduation features samples from Elton John, Michael Jackson, Labi Siffre, Prince Phillip Mitchell, Laura Nyro, Super Cat: pop, r&b, soul, Reggae. In short, the majority of samples on that album fit the very description you've given to "most" hip hop producers :lol
I've agree that Kanye's appreciation and knowledge of musical history overall far surpasses most rappers. In terms of producers I firmly disagree, and you haven't given one ounce of evidence to back that claim up
Daft Punk isn't rock, either! Willco failing on all fronts.
Personally, I'm glad for Kanye ripping Daft Punk, because prior to "Stronger", the only other popular, mainstream convergence of hip hop and rock that people would point to - outside of Run DMC and Aerosmith - was Jay-Z and Linkin Park. :lol
:lol
Where's Saint Cornelius
and herein lies another beef I have: people giving Jay-Z credit for hip hop trends/innovations/whatever
Timbaland has been successful at sampling house music, but I haven't heard much of an eastern music from him and what are the "other" things?
So what are you arguing - that he is the same as the majority of hip hop producers, because he only "recently" came around to sampling other things? And are we going to discount Late Registration?
Willco, refusing to argue about some pointless bullshit?
I'm not going to even reply to all of that, because you've seemingly lost the point and have no shifted to some kind of bizarro world where apparently sampling mostly black influences negates branching out.
Also, what rock samples and collaborations is Timbaland on?
I do not have any knowledge of Cornell post-Soundgarden. Timbaland produced?
Maurice, my point from the very start is that he has an appreciation for a wider variety of music and history than most of his contemporaries, and you seemingly agree now? :lol
We weren't talking about his sampling, we were talking about his appreciation of music and its history.
Evolution of the argument:
Me: Kanye West has an appreciation for music and a knowledge of history that the majority of his contempories don't.
Maurice: What, so many more producers have more musical knowledge!
Me: That's not what we're talking about!
Maurice: So many producers know more about music history!
Me: No, they know more about afro-centric music history.
Maurice: Lies! Look at DJ Premier! Tip! Etc.!
Me: Premier obviously is entrenched in the African-American experience by his own admittance, Tip with jazz, etc.
Maurice: Well, yeah, Kanye might have a wider knowledge of music but HE MOSTLY MAKES BLACK MUSIC!
Me: ...
If Timbaland actually worked with Cornell
DJ Premier is another one I forgot.
But 9th Wonder? I have NEVER dug sped-up soul samples and thus, I'm not feeling that cat whatsoever.
If someone would be so kind as to recommend a good beat of his, I'll check it out.
I guess clearly being in the minority, even against your own black e-friend, make you right. ::):lol
Your argument stems from the fact that you don't respect Kanye West as a musician. You can't admit that he might be knowledgeable on something that better producers aren't, because that somehow inflates his value.
If you quit being so personal, and talked about it objectively, you'd have to concede the point.
And can you really point to Middle Eastern influences?Eastern, i.e. eastern Asia.
Jim Jarmusch hired the primary producer of the Wu-Tang Clan to score his film Ghost Dog: The Way Of The Samurai. Jarmusch felt that RZA, who incorporates Eastern music and philosophies into his brand of hip-hop, would be able to capture the essence of the film,
On Timbaland, one of the reasons I'm not a fan is because..:lol Come on now, Crystal Castles has been involved in copyright disputes at least 2 or 3 times.
http://forums.projectcovo.com/showthread.php?t=996065
Does he sample a huge variety of music? Yes
Is he an asshole for stealing shit? Definitely
If Timbaland actually worked with Cornell
If you don't know what you're talking about, why do you insist on talking? (http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/timbaland-cornell-working-on-album-of-the-year_1063868)
PD did list some good examples of other mainstream producers that have at least as many or more diverse samples. Swizz, Storch, Timbaland, and of course RZA. I think you could add Hi-Tek to that list as well. I'd disqualify Dre and The Neptunes. I'm not intimately familiar with their sampling habits, but I can't recall hearing much of anything other than the usual Afrocentric stuff from them.
I don't think it's fair to limit this to mainstream producers, either, though.
But I probably jumped into this too lateOn Timbaland, one of the reasons I'm not a fan is because..:lol Come on now, Crystal Castles has been involved in copyright disputes at least 2 or 3 times.
http://forums.projectcovo.com/showthread.php?t=996065
Does he sample a huge variety of music? Yes
Is he an asshole for stealing shit? Definitely
edit: I mean on the guilty end
That said, I have a pretty good knowledge of the genre - certainly enough to make a very easy claim that most producers do not go outside their afro-centric spheres of influence and appreciate the ones that do.
Save The Country is an r&b song with touches of gospel, and My Song is pretty jazzy lol.Woops, I didn't even mean to put Save the Country on there. But I call BS on My Song
??? He said Timbaland countsThat said, I have a pretty good knowledge of the genre - certainly enough to make a very easy claim that most producers do not go outside their afro-centric spheres of influence and appreciate the ones that do.
Willco, it's useless to argue with you because you get presented with facts and you just outright ignore them.
...most producers do not go outside their afro-centric spheres of influence and appreciate the ones that do.
Elton John - Someone Saved My Life Tonight
Steely Dan - Kid Charlemagne
Daft Punk - Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger
Labi Siffre (who was sampled by Eminem 8 years before Kanye) - My Song
Mountain - Long Red
Can - Sing Swan Song
Laura Nyro - Save The Country
Thom Yorke - The Eraser
Cliff notes please.
Cliff notes please.
Cliff notes please.
Me: Kanye West has an appreciation for music and a knowledge of history that the majority of his contempories don't.
Maurice: What, so many more producers have more musical knowledge!
Me: That's not what we're talking about!
Maurice: So many producers know more about music history!
Me: No, they know more about afro-centric music history.
Maurice: Lies! Look at DJ Premier! Tip! Etc.!
Me: Premier obviously is entrenched in the African-American experience by his own admittance, Tip with jazz, etc.
Maurice: Well, yeah, Kanye might have a wider knowledge of music but HE MOSTLY MAKES BLACK MUSIC!
Me: ...
... Now Phoenix Dark is somehow trying to say the argument is about sampling or something. I don't know. I lost track after he agreed that Kanye West has a broader knowledge of music history than his contemporaries, but that he doesn't.
I think we all moved on, now we're talking about producers that have looked outside afro-centric influences.
p.s. music history and musical knowledge are two different things
There are ton of producers that have far more musical knowledge than Kanye
I can't agree on Hi-Tek.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_of_Thought_%28Reflection_Eternal_album%29#Samples
How did that anything change? He's right, most of them don't. They're exceptions, however, do they do it as regularly as Kanye? That list comes straight from Kanye's third album Graduation.7 non-Afrocentric samples out of ~45 (that's not an exact number, I added every track from all 3 of his albums and estimated that about 10 or so were probably skits and filler) songs isn't an exception? That is anything but regularity.
I lost track after he agreed that Kanye West has a broader knowledge of music history than his contemporaries, but that he doesn't.
I wouldn't label him underground, but would he really be labelled as a contemporary?I guess not. I'll admit that the only reason I even know of him is because of Mos Def, Talib Kweli, and Common
Kanye is better than most
but does stupid shit on a professional level (i.e. 808 and Heartbreak) and a celebrity level (interrupting Taylor Swift)