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Title: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: chronovore on September 25, 2009, 07:20:54 AM
My brother-in-law is Japanese, and has a 360. I want to encourage him to enjoy it, but he has made the grave error of buying Last Remnant, which has robbed him of his will to power on the device. I want to buy him a game, but a quick glance at metacritic is not inspiring. Is there a good JRPG available, or is it all crap?
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: demi on September 25, 2009, 07:26:48 AM
WTF is grave error about TLR? It's the best one on the system. In fact they're all good except Eternal Sonata.

edit: Woo almost caught myself. Except Eternal Sonata -AND- Star Ocean 4
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: MCD on September 25, 2009, 07:32:13 AM
Is he a story guy or gameplay?

Lost Odyssey and Tales of Vesperia have both and LO is exclusive, might wanna grab that.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: MCD on September 25, 2009, 07:35:00 AM
End of Eternity is coming out soon in Japan and it looks cool but then it's by Tri-shit.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: The Sceneman on September 25, 2009, 07:48:16 AM
I highly recommend Lost Odyssey. Probably the best all round jrpg on 360. Good balance of old school battle system and deep story
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Bildi on September 25, 2009, 09:09:01 AM
Yeah, I really enjoyed Lost Odyssey.  Eternal Sonata was OK for cheap if you just want 20-30 hours at most.  I just ordered TLR.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Third on September 25, 2009, 09:16:22 AM
Tales of Vesperia and Lost Odyssey are the best X360 jrpg's. The rest is pretty underhwelming.

Mistwalker should kill off Blue Dragon and make a new LO game.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 25, 2009, 10:09:07 AM
Lost Odyssey is good but loses steam, and it has those annoying kids.

Tales of Vesperia is pretty solid all the way throughout.  Although it does have an annoying kid... not as bad as LO, tho.  Why do jrpgs have to have annoying fucking kids?  Ugh, jrpgs always have the dumbest fucking cliches.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 25, 2009, 10:15:18 AM
Lost Odyssey is good but loses steam, and it has those annoying kids.

Tales of Vesperia is pretty solid all the way throughout.  Although it does have an annoying kid... not as bad as LO, tho.  Why do jrpgs have to have annoying fucking kids?  Ugh, jrpgs always have the dumbest fucking cliches.


I always hate the kid characters too. 
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Bildi on September 25, 2009, 10:18:35 AM
'cept Cooke.  Cause she's the tops.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 25, 2009, 10:22:05 AM
'cept Cooke.  Cause she's the tops.

really no exceptions.  The adults in the party are too self-absorbed, so they never slap the kid and tell them to shut up.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Bildi on September 25, 2009, 10:27:28 AM
I'd take a 1000 blubbering Cooke's over just one Tidus anyday.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 25, 2009, 10:39:02 AM
Now that I think about it, the last jrpg that I had like no complaints about and actually liked the whole cast of characters was probably Tales of the Abyss.  Jerk Luke ruled.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: SantaC on September 25, 2009, 10:59:35 AM
Is he a story guy or gameplay?

Lost Odyssey and Tales of Vesperia have both and LO is exclusive, might wanna grab that.

only get ToV. LO is garbage beyond garbage.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 25, 2009, 11:07:27 AM
Is he a story guy or gameplay?

Lost Odyssey and Tales of Vesperia have both and LO is exclusive, might wanna grab that.

only get ToV. LO is garbage beyond garbage.

Hey, isn't there a batman thread for you to troll or something?

Kosma- Blue Dragon is fun but pretty simplistic.  It's very pretty to look at, though.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: treythemovie on September 25, 2009, 03:01:12 PM
Tales of Vesperia is the best on the 360 so far, despite sharing the same metacritic score with the worst (Eternal Sonata).

Speaking of which, I wonder when the next 360 JRPG will be announced. Or perhaps I should say if the next 360 JRPG will be announced. I have this rational fear that Microsoft will stop pushing for JRPGs and so Japanese publishers will just stop porting/publishing them on the 360. That would suck not only because the western JRPG fanbase has gravitated to the 360 but also because it would likely mean even less HD RPGs then the slim pickings we already are getting.

Hell, are there even any 360 JRPGs upcoming other than FFXIII, tri-ace's new game and, ugh, Magna Carta
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: tiesto on September 25, 2009, 03:48:16 PM
Yeah, it looks like your best hope for RPGs is for them to go multiplat... I don't really see any exclusives coming to the 360 any time soon, and I think MS has given up on Japan - no new Mistwalker or RPG announcements at TGS, nothing new announced in the genre since SO4. 360 might see some Idea Factory shovelware on occasion tho  :yuck

Tales of Vesperia's PS3 sales are the final nail in the 360 RPG coffin.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 25, 2009, 05:26:29 PM
There's really not ANY new jrpgs of note coming out anytime soon other than FFXIII, unless I'm missing something...
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: drew on September 25, 2009, 05:30:00 PM
tell him to give away his 360 to an american that deserves it
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 25, 2009, 05:31:50 PM
Well, I guess I forgot about the DQ games coming out, but that's what they get for putting them on crappy non-consoles.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 25, 2009, 05:32:01 PM
There's really not ANY new jrpgs of note coming out anytime soon other than FFXIII, unless I'm missing something...

End of Eternity.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 25, 2009, 05:38:19 PM
Make him play Fallout 3 like a real man.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: drew on September 25, 2009, 05:39:12 PM
also make him register as an american citizen, also like a real man
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: The Sceneman on September 25, 2009, 06:37:33 PM
hey, groos back. 'sup  :D
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: The Sceneman on September 25, 2009, 06:39:10 PM
There's really not ANY new jrpgs of note coming out anytime soon other than FFXIII, unless I'm missing something...

theres a few coming out for psp...
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Bebpo on September 25, 2009, 06:48:06 PM
There's really not ANY new jrpgs of note coming out anytime soon other than FFXIII, unless I'm missing something...

End of Eternity/Resonance of Fates
If you want to count Wii there's Tales of Graces

that's about it though.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 25, 2009, 07:19:04 PM
Oh yeah, I remember thinking that Resonance of Fate looked like it had potential.  But it's not coming out till late next year.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: SantaC on September 25, 2009, 09:38:48 PM
Is he a story guy or gameplay?

Lost Odyssey and Tales of Vesperia have both and LO is exclusive, might wanna grab that.

only get ToV. LO is garbage beyond garbage.

Hey, isn't there a batman thread for you to troll or something?

Kosma- Blue Dragon is fun but pretty simplistic.  It's very pretty to look at, though.


but LO is really bad
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: demi on September 25, 2009, 09:45:37 PM
What the FUCK would you know what's bad? You hate Batman, you hate LO, what DO you like you swedish piece of shit?
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 26, 2009, 01:14:42 AM
Oh yeah, I remember thinking that Resonance of Fate looked like it had potential.  But it's not coming out till late next year.

What? The new trailer from TGS says 2009 for Japan.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: treythemovie on September 26, 2009, 03:29:47 AM
Oh yeah, I remember thinking that Resonance of Fate looked like it had potential.  But it's not coming out till late next year.

What? The new trailer from TGS says 2009 for Japan.
Yeah it seems they are claiming a late 2009 for Japan. Still that doesn't change the fact that we're not getting it til late 2010  :lol :-\
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: chronovore on September 26, 2009, 03:48:49 AM
Looks like I'll try LO or Vesperia for him, and see how he reacts. I'm at a loss, because I'm not even sure what he likes. He played a lot of Metal Gear on PS2 and PSP, and as for RPGs I think I've seen him enjoy DQ like most Japanese males, and Final Fantasy Tactics which is basically our only point of gaming interest overlap. I loved FF:T on PS1. Other than that, like a lot of people here he gets motion sickness almost immediately when playing an FPS, or even a third-person shooter like Gears.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: SantaC on September 27, 2009, 09:12:26 PM
What the FUCK would you know what's bad? You hate Batman, you hate LO, what DO you like you swedish piece of shit?

lol are you mad Nick Frost?
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: chronovore on September 28, 2009, 05:55:12 AM
WTF is grave error about TLR? It's the best one on the system. In fact they're all good except Eternal Sonata.

edit: Woo almost caught myself. Except Eternal Sonata -AND- Star Ocean 4

Hey, for some reason I didn't catch this question on first read. HE considers it a chore to play and is uninspired. Personally JRPGs aren't my thing, so I've got no opinion on it one way or the other.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: chronovore on September 28, 2009, 06:57:50 AM
:rofl Dude, your avatar is perfect for that statement.

What I actually need is a JRPG that follows the tropes of the genre but doesn't suck. I don't even know what the positive aspects are, but I knew there are people here who would, so...
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: demi on September 28, 2009, 07:52:25 AM
Mangina Carta 2 is out next month here. Maybe he likes horse nipples
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on September 28, 2009, 03:43:21 PM
How bad is the loading on LO? I heard it was pretty heavy. I'm in a JRPG mood for the first time in years, but I can't tolerate JRPGs that take like 15 seconds to load every battle.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: treythemovie on September 28, 2009, 04:06:03 PM
:rofl Dude, your avatar is perfect for that statement.

What I actually need is a JRPG that follows the tropes of the genre but doesn't suck. I don't even know what the positive aspects are, but I knew there are people here who would, so...
Blue Dragon and Tales of Vesperia probably fit that description the closest of all the 360 JRPGs. My recomendation would be Vesperia.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 28, 2009, 04:10:44 PM
How bad is the loading on LO? I heard it was pretty heavy. I'm in a JRPG mood for the first time in years, but I can't tolerate JRPGs that take like 15 seconds to load every battle.

If it's installed to your hd, the loading is barely noticeable.  I don't know why people wouldn't install games to the hd, to be honest.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on September 28, 2009, 04:14:04 PM
Excellent. Thanks.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: tiesto on September 28, 2009, 04:22:05 PM
I played through LO before disc-installation was made available  :-\
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: treythemovie on September 28, 2009, 04:38:31 PM
How bad is the loading on LO? I heard it was pretty heavy. I'm in a JRPG mood for the first time in years, but I can't tolerate JRPGs that take like 15 seconds to load every battle.

If it's installed to your hd, the loading is barely noticeable.  I don't know why people wouldn't install games to the hd, to be honest.
Well to be fair there are some games that get fucked up when you install them (I dont' believe Last Remnant is one of them though). I wish there was a list somewhere that had all the various HD install problems with games.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: chronovore on December 06, 2009, 07:09:06 AM
Good grief, I almost impulse-ordered The Last Remnant at play-asia because it's Happy Meal-priced at 878 yen right now. I thought to check this thread to jog my memory if it was one of the good ones, only to see my own damned post about it being the one that my bro-in-law hates. That would have been pretty bad.

I also note Japan Amazon has complete crap prices on Guitar Hero games (I need to replace my controller), and Play-Asia must not have realized they horribly overordered DJ Hero. Or maybe they didn't, this time.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: demi on December 06, 2009, 07:17:25 AM
So your brother in law has bad taste. How does that relate to you?
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: tiesto on December 06, 2009, 10:48:30 AM
I saw the PC version of Last Remnant at GS yesterday, totally forgot they made a PC ver of it. I will be getting a new laptop for Xmas so was wondering... is the PC version worth double dipping on, I have the 360 game sitting on my shelf from last year, still in shrinkwrap :P
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: demi on December 06, 2009, 10:50:10 AM
PC version is gimped for noobs. Noobified.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 06, 2009, 12:23:13 PM
I saw the PC version of Last Remnant at GS yesterday, totally forgot they made a PC ver of it. I will be getting a new laptop for Xmas so was wondering... is the PC version worth double dipping on, I have the 360 game sitting on my shelf from last year, still in shrinkwrap :P

Here's the changes for the PC version:

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    * Enhanced graphical settings, such as increased LOD.
          o Graphics settings are customisable to meet the capabilities of the player's PC.
    * New commands and new skills.
    * A Turbo Mode that increases battle speed.
    * Linking additional enemies together does not increase your Battle Rank further than having fought them separately.
    * Battle Rank is now visible from inside the Main Menu.
    * Items are now color-coded indicating their rarity, and categorised according to type.
    * Leader limits are no longer imposed, allowing full parties of nothing but (Unique) Leaders.
    * Arts can now be disabled, allowing the player to limit what arts a character uses in battle.
    * All Xbox 360 downloadable content is available, but requires specific ingame items to be unlocked.
    * Characters involved in quests are now specially marked on the minimap.
    * A "New Game Plus" option is now available upon finishing the game.
          o The following are carried over to the new game: components, formations, gold, magazines, maps, Mr. Digg's status, and items that unlock arts for Rush.
    * Hard mode in which monsters are particularly more difficult than on Normal mode.
    * An Auto-Save function, making the game automatically save after each battle and each region change.
    * A warning message is now displayed if game progress is saved between subsequent boss fights.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 06, 2009, 12:48:19 PM
The PC version plays like buttah, and lets you pimp out your party full of generals.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: hyp on December 06, 2009, 01:39:49 PM
whats the verdict on star ocean 4? i have it queued up, wondering if i should even bother.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: iconoclast on December 06, 2009, 01:53:12 PM
the *only* good thing about star ocean 4 is the combat, and that's only if you're playing a melee character. it's a bad game and it's the second worst rpg on the 360, barely edging out eternal sonata.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 06, 2009, 02:12:27 PM
the worst rpg is by far and away infinite undiscovery, followed by mass effect
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 06, 2009, 02:28:02 PM
whats the verdict on star ocean 4? i have it queued up, wondering if i should even bother.

It's terrible.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 06, 2009, 03:40:16 PM
the worst rpg is by far and away infinite undiscovery, followed by mass effect

Dude, Eternal Sonata is worse than either by a fair country mile.  Mass Effect actually isn't terrible, you just hate on it because there's no panty patrol action.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 06, 2009, 04:10:19 PM
no, i hate on it because it has shitty shooting for combat, horrid class balance, dumb party ai, a terrible ui, dune buggy boogaloo, and terrible itemization.

story/plot/characters are for figgurts in ANY game
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 06, 2009, 06:23:05 PM
But the music.

THE MUSIC!
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Bebpo on December 06, 2009, 06:35:44 PM
no, i hate on it because it has shitty shooting for combat, horrid class balance, dumb party ai, a terrible ui, dune buggy boogaloo, and terrible itemization.

story/plot/characters are for figgurts in ANY game

u do not like playing as space marine with gun, space marine with gun, or space marine with gun?
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: chronovore on December 06, 2009, 07:01:11 PM
So your brother in law has bad taste. How does that relate to you?
Strictly speaking, it's not. Not blood related, at least.
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Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 06, 2009, 08:13:01 PM
no, i hate on it because it has shitty shooting for combat, horrid class balance, dumb party ai, a terrible ui, dune buggy boogaloo, and terrible itemization.

story/plot/characters are for figgurts in ANY game

u do not like playing as space marine with gun, space marine with gun, or space marine with gun?

:lol
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 06, 2009, 08:47:47 PM
no, i hate on it because it has shitty shooting for combat, horrid class balance, dumb party ai, a terrible ui, dune buggy boogaloo, and terrible itemization.

story/plot/characters are for figgurts in ANY game

u do not like playing as space marine with gun, space marine with gun, or space marine with gun?

:lol

I'd rather play as a space marine with a gun than a twelve year old girl and a Polish composer.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 07, 2009, 01:27:25 AM
no, i hate on it because it has shitty shooting for combat, horrid class balance, dumb party ai, a terrible ui, dune buggy boogaloo, and terrible itemization.

story/plot/characters are for figgurts in ANY game

u do not like playing as space marine with gun, space marine with gun, or space marine with gun?

class BALANCE, sir! i do not mind playing as a space marine with a gun any more than i mind playing as a spiky-haired doe-eyed figgurt, but when you let me choose my character's class, make sure that they are ALL equally viable, not JUST the psychic powerz class because the biotics special efects look effin' stupid yet are apparently necessary to really enjoy the game. :'(
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: demi on December 07, 2009, 01:36:11 AM
Vanguard :bow
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Bebpo on December 07, 2009, 03:15:14 AM
no, i hate on it because it has shitty shooting for combat, horrid class balance, dumb party ai, a terrible ui, dune buggy boogaloo, and terrible itemization.

story/plot/characters are for figgurts in ANY game

u do not like playing as space marine with gun, space marine with gun, or space marine with gun?

class BALANCE, sir! i do not mind playing as a space marine with a gun any more than i mind playing as a spiky-haired doe-eyed figgurt, but when you let me choose my character's class, make sure that they are ALL equally viable, not JUST the psychic powerz class because the biotics special efects look effin' stupid yet are apparently necessary to really enjoy the game. :'(

I don't remember much of a difference between "classes" in Mass Effect.  Regardless of what you picked you were always dude with a gun and some magic and can play it like a TPS and run n' gun except for boss fights.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 07, 2009, 03:18:42 AM
i picked a class with no magic powers and the game design went "lol, pick a class with magic powerz"
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 07, 2009, 09:53:08 AM
i picked a class with no magic powers and the game design went "lol, pick a class with magic powerz"

I played through the game as a soldier and never came across in moments like that.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: cool breeze on December 07, 2009, 07:03:13 PM
I played as Vanguard and didn't have a problem.  I did hear stories about how the last boss butt fucks you if you're the classes that only let you use a pistol (adept, I think).

 
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: hyp on December 07, 2009, 08:28:27 PM
cool, i'm not even gonna bother with SO4 then. just don't have any time to waste on mediocre games. hopefully ff13 will be decent. i'm skeptical though. 
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: demi on December 07, 2009, 09:51:33 PM
I played as Vanguard and didn't have a problem.  I did hear stories about how the last boss butt fucks you if you're the classes that only let you use a pistol (adept, I think).

 

um, not really. the last boss hops around and shoots slow missles at you. if anything adept would violate the fuck out of Saren.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Yeti on December 08, 2009, 11:29:36 AM
I played as Vanguard and didn't have a problem.  I did hear stories about how the last boss butt fucks you if you're the classes that only let you use a pistol (adept, I think).

 

I never bothered playing with any weapon other than pistol, because pistol did just fine getting me through the game, last boss included. I'm not even a power gamer like demi or anything.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Sho Nuff on December 08, 2009, 12:00:23 PM
JRPGs...who even buys these anymore
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: tiesto on December 08, 2009, 12:58:31 PM
JRPGs...who even buys these anymore

I do. And apparently all the people in Japan who made DQ9 the best selling 3rd party game ever over there...
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: demi on December 08, 2009, 01:07:22 PM
Japan buys JRPG news at eleven
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Sho Nuff on December 08, 2009, 01:26:28 PM
JRPGs...who even buys these anymore

I do. And apparently all the people in Japan who made DQ9 the best selling 3rd party game ever over there...

Sorry, I meant "in the West", my bad
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: demi on December 08, 2009, 02:01:27 PM
Vesperia is awesome

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Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: Trent Dole on December 08, 2009, 10:48:31 PM
I bought Tales of Vesperia for $15. I dunno, it was $15!
$15 well spent, man.
Title: Re: JRPGs on the 360
Post by: chronovore on December 08, 2009, 11:06:15 PM
JRPGs...who even buys these anymore

I do. And apparently all the people in Japan who made DQ9 the best selling 3rd party game ever over there...

Sorry, I meant "in the West", my bad
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if DQ series was as reason why J-devs so frequently act like the rest of the world is just a gravy market.

Producer: "Let's focus on selling in Japan, and we'll foist a mediocre localization on the rest of the planet -- it'll be pure profit!"
(months pass, JP version isn't selling, localization is being shopped around)
Producer: "What do you mean no-one wants it?"