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Title: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Robo on November 12, 2009, 02:13:23 PM
http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-best-tv-series-of-the-00s,35256/1/

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30. The West Wing (NBC, 1999-2006)
29. Wonder Showzen (MTV2, 2005-06)
28. Eastbound & Down (HBO, 2009-present)
27. Flight Of The Conchords (HBO, 2007-2009)
26. The Venture Bros. (Cartoon Network, 2003-present)
25. Buffy The Vampire Slayer (The WB/UPN, 1997-2003)
24. Dexter (2006-present)
23. Undeclared (Fox, 2001-02)
22. Six Feet Under (HBO, 2001-05)
21. Curb Your Enthusiasm (HBO, 2000-present)
20. Tim And Eric Awesome Show, Great Job! (Cartoon Network, 2007-present)
19. Big Love (HBO, 2006-present)
18. How I Met Your Mother (CBS, 2005-present)
17. Firefly (Fox, 2002-2003)
16. Friday Night Lights (NBC, 2006-present)
15. Veronica Mars (UPN/The CW, 2004-07)
14. Futurama (Fox, 1999-2003)
13. 30 Rock (2006-present)
12. Battlestar Galactica (2004-09)
11. The Office US (NBC, 2005-present)
10. The Shield (FX, 2002-08)
9. Deadwood (HBO, 2004-06)
8. Lost (ABC, 2004-present)
7. The Office UK (BBC 2, 2001-03)
6. Breaking Bad (AMC, 2008-present)
5. Mad Men (AMC, 2007-present)
4. Freaks And Geeks (NBC, 1999-2000)
3. Arrested Development (Fox, 2003-06)
2. The Sopranos (HBO, 1999-2007)
1. The Wire (HBO, 2002-08)

:bow The Wire :bow2

but where the fuck is It's Always Sunny? :punch
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: tehjaybo on November 12, 2009, 02:19:49 PM
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20. Tim And Eric Awesome Show, Great Job! (Cartoon Network, 2007-present)


Just, no.  This list is VERY incorrect.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Robo on November 12, 2009, 02:24:28 PM
You're right, Tim & Eric is better than Firefly.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 12, 2009, 02:27:51 PM
Needs more Metalocalypse.

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Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Don Flamenco on November 12, 2009, 02:28:39 PM
*goes straight to number 1*

*nods in approval*


Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 12, 2009, 02:29:57 PM
I agree, shit like Wonder Showzen and Tim and Eric don't belong on there, and the total lack of It's Always Sunny is a travesty. I'd also include Chuck.

I think what we can all agree on is that this was the best decade for television programming since ever.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 12, 2009, 02:31:34 PM
I think Wonder Showzen deserves to be on there. Tim and Eric can burn in hell for all I care, though.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: drew on November 12, 2009, 02:33:34 PM
I agree, shit like Wonder Showzen and Tim and Eric don't belong on there, and the total lack of It's Always Sunny is a travesty. I'd also include Chuck.

smfh

I think Wonder Showzen deserves to be on there.

:brofist
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 12, 2009, 02:35:20 PM
I agree, shit like Wonder Showzen and Tim and Eric don't belong on there, and the total lack of It's Always Sunny is a travesty. I'd also include Chuck.

smfh

I think Wonder Showzen deserves to be on there.

:brofist

:supermegaawesomeexplodingbrofist

Chuck, really? Yeah... no.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Robo on November 12, 2009, 02:36:16 PM
Peep Show is also noticably missing.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 12, 2009, 02:36:33 PM

I think Wonder Showzen deserves to be on there.

:brofist
I think that has a different connotation for distantmantra.

Chuck?  Ban willco
Chuck is good escapist television.

Peep Show is also noticably missing.
This.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 12, 2009, 02:40:36 PM
Although any list with two Josh Whedon shows isn't worth shit.

Buffy's best years were in the 90s, not the aughts. In hindsight, I feel comfortable in saying that the show got really lame once she went to college.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 12, 2009, 02:40:53 PM
Although any list with two Josh Whedon shows isn't worth shit.

Yeah, neither Firefly nor Buffy of the 00s belongs on the list.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 12, 2009, 02:41:44 PM
Although any list with two Josh Whedon shows isn't worth shit.

Yeah, neither Firefly nor Buffy of the 00s belongs on the list.

Angel was much better than 00s Buffy. Not sure if I'd put it on the list, but it was sooo much better.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 12, 2009, 02:42:58 PM
I'd put AD at number one.

The list is also missing House.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2009, 02:43:52 PM
#1 is right, I support this list
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2009, 02:45:10 PM
Nah. The Wire is better on every level, and more consistent :rock
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 12, 2009, 02:46:18 PM
Freaks and Geeks!! YAY!
(http://www.mandimoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/l2fc740a70ecf9389eee6c6pr5.jpg)

Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 12, 2009, 02:46:39 PM
the shield needs to be higher
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 12, 2009, 02:47:08 PM
There is also a serious lack of Drawn Together.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2009, 02:47:52 PM
Except it isn't funny, and hence why comedies and dramas can't really be compared.

Ah I didn't mean in that sense. Although The Wire is pretty funny at times

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Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Barry Egan on November 12, 2009, 02:48:24 PM
I'm glad Eastbound and Down made the list.  That show is fucking awesome.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Kestastrophe on November 12, 2009, 02:48:27 PM
Sopranos above Arrested Development?  :yuck
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 12, 2009, 02:48:47 PM
Chuck is awesome, and is easily better than Wonder Showzen.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 12, 2009, 02:49:40 PM
And where the hell is Twin Peaks?

The 00's, you know 2000-2009.

Chuck is awesome, and is easily better than Wonder Showzen.

Someone please revoke Will's membership to the Hollywood Movie Makers Club.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 12, 2009, 02:51:06 PM
Also, Big Love doesn't deserve to be on the list. It's good, but not list worthy.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 12, 2009, 02:51:43 PM
I still don't get the love for Breaking Bad (cue SC).  I thought the show was awful.

I've tried watching it a couple time, just doesn't click with me.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 12, 2009, 02:51:43 PM
I still don't get the love for Breaking Bad (cue SC).  I thought the show was awful.

I haven't seen it, but it gets much love.

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Chuck is the same episode repeated for two full seasons.

Obviously have not watched both seasons, or a full one. :lol
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 12, 2009, 02:52:06 PM
Sopranos above Arrested Development?  :yuck
The Office US above The Office UK?  :yuck

UK is at 7, US is at 11.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Kestastrophe on November 12, 2009, 02:52:22 PM
Why isn't Rome on that list?  :maf

Despite all the complaints, I think its a pretty decent list as far as lists are concerned
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2009, 02:52:43 PM
Where's 24, smh
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 12, 2009, 02:53:08 PM
Why is "How I Met Your Mother" on this list.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 12, 2009, 02:53:20 PM
Where's 24, smh

24 sucks, dude.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Kestastrophe on November 12, 2009, 02:53:32 PM
Where's 24, smh
:teehee
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 12, 2009, 02:53:46 PM
Why is "How I Met Your Mother" on this list.

Because it's awesome, unlike Chuck.

Seriously, Jason Segel and Neil Patrick Harris are great on it.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 12, 2009, 02:56:22 PM
If you're arguing that the central concept of the show is the same, of course it is - that's how most television works. If that bothers you, you better not watch House or Dexter or Burn Notice or anything else in that vein.

Great character, great writing. One of the best written shows on television since the end of the first season - which was very uneven. And guess what, even the AV Club agrees. (http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/tvshow/chuck,11/)
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 12, 2009, 02:56:55 PM
WHERE IS METAL GEAR SOLID 4: GUNS OF TEH PATRIOTS

 :maf

WHERE IS THE O'REILLY FACTOR

:maf

WHERE IS THE 700 CLUB

:maf
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 12, 2009, 02:57:32 PM
Because it's awesome, unlike Chuck.

Seriously, Jason Segel and Neil Patrick Harris are great on it.

Show sucks and it's been running on fumes for years now. Neil Patrick Harris is the only likable character.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 12, 2009, 02:59:14 PM
Because it's awesome, unlike Chuck.

Seriously, Jason Segel and Neil Patrick Harris are great on it.

Show sucks and it's been running on fumes for years now. Neil Patrick Harris is the only likable character.

I'll agree that it's been running on fumes this season, but it's still awesome.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2009, 03:00:12 PM
I love Chuck, but it did always seem to boil down to "Sarah why don't you love me  :'(" and "Chuck you're the intersect THATS WHY."

I'm very intrigued by the third season's twists though, considering where the series is going now.  And Chuck is an awesome character, but his awesomeness is surpassed by most everyone around him.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 12, 2009, 03:02:14 PM
I don't think Twin Peaks came out this decade.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 12, 2009, 03:03:21 PM
Nah, terrible character.  Everyone else in the show carries Chuck's whiny ass.  i feel the same about Burn Notice that I do Chuck, good, but not great with better side characters than the main one.  Dexter and House get a pass for the formulaic nature of their shows because the main characters are so awesome.

I agree with this, and I enjoy Chuck quite a bit.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2009, 03:03:58 PM
Where's 24, smh

24 sucks, dude.

24>Chuck
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 12, 2009, 03:05:09 PM
Maybe the first season, but 24 hasn't been good for almost a decade.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Kestastrophe on November 12, 2009, 03:07:34 PM
Wasn't 24 created to justify the use of torture or something?
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Solo on November 12, 2009, 03:14:09 PM
Its OK, Feder. I will bear the Chuck cross with you.

Although Cohen's comments aren't far from the truth about the formula of the show. Even if they are just making the same episode over and over, they're getting better at it.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: BamYouHaveAids on November 12, 2009, 03:33:33 PM
curb should be much higher, i would place it ahead of both the office shows

bump out the josh whedon shows and replace them with always sunny and supernatural
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Diunx on November 12, 2009, 03:33:47 PM
Why are "How I met Your Mother" , "The Office" and "30 Rock" higher than curb? fucking piece of shit fail list.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Bebpo on November 12, 2009, 03:41:47 PM
West Wing should be higher

/haven't seen West Wing
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 12, 2009, 03:44:18 PM
West Wing should be higher

/haven't seen West Wing

The first few seasons of West Wing were brilliant, I'm surprised that it just barely made the list.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 12, 2009, 03:46:54 PM
Why isn't According to Jim on there? Awful list.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Don Flamenco on November 12, 2009, 03:48:14 PM
WHERE IS METAL GEAR SOLID 4: GUNS OF TEH PATRIOTS

 :maf


IT'S FOR TV SHOWS NOT MOVIES!   :starwars

but i forgive you for rooting for Twin Peaks, even though that show was out in 1990-91

also, Tim and Eric is on there :rock   
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 12, 2009, 03:49:34 PM
There are a lot of people that don't like Curb Your Enthusiasm at all, mind you, and for good reason.  It is very much a show for a select group of people.

It's funny, but I can barely get through an episode before I want to kill everyone in the cast.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Don Flamenco on November 12, 2009, 03:49:52 PM
There are a lot of people that don't like Curb Your Enthusiasm at all, mind you, and for good reason.  It is very much a show for a select group of people.


white jewish people?
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Diunx on November 12, 2009, 03:51:05 PM
Curb is awesome, how can anyone not like it?
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 12, 2009, 03:53:12 PM
I totally get that that's what David is trying to do, but the whole self-importance thing is just too much for me.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Diunx on November 12, 2009, 03:54:07 PM
Curb is awesome, how can anyone not like it?

oh shit I just realize that this is a Seinfeld reference not a curb one  :-[
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Don Flamenco on November 12, 2009, 03:55:56 PM
There are a lot of people that don't like Curb Your Enthusiasm at all, mind you, and for good reason.  It is very much a show for a select group of people.

It's funny, but I can barely get through an episode before I want to kill everyone in the cast.

people tend to say "white" and "jewish" as separate groups fyi.


what d'you mean? 
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on November 12, 2009, 03:59:30 PM
I totally get that that's what David is trying to do, but the whole self-importance thing is just too much for me.

Depends on what episodes you watch though. In earlier ones his character is just completely oblivious to social etiquette, so he gets shit despite the fact that the majority of what he does is logical. In some of the episodes in the later seasons he's just being a straight up prick.

Both are pretty funny, but I can see how the latter would annoy some people.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 12, 2009, 04:00:47 PM
I totally get that that's what David is trying to do, but the whole self-importance thing is just too much for me.

Depends on what episodes you watch though. In earlier ones his character is just completely oblivious to social etiquette, so he gets shit despite the fact that the majority of what he does is logical. In some of the episodes in the later seasons he's just being a straight up prick.

I don't get HBO ( :( ), so the majority of what I see is when we're visiting my wife's parents in Nebraska. I think I've seen mostly later season prick episodes.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Don Flamenco on November 12, 2009, 04:05:12 PM
waspy jew?  now i'm super confused. :lol   
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on November 12, 2009, 04:12:08 PM
(http://i34.tinypic.com/15rxpw6.jpg)

Not Curb's target audience.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 12, 2009, 04:13:50 PM
I totally get that that's what David is trying to do, but the whole self-importance thing is just too much for me.

it's definitely a show for neurotic, over-analytical introverts, because it's basically our lives with only mild exaggeration.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Don Flamenco on November 12, 2009, 04:14:12 PM
waspy jew?  now i'm super confused. :lol   
exactly


there are other races of jews, but I see what you mean.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 12, 2009, 04:15:05 PM
I totally get that that's what David is trying to do, but the whole self-importance thing is just too much for me.

it's definitely a show for neurotic, over-analytical introverts, because it's basically our lives with only mild exaggeragation.

And this is why I love it.

Anyway, I'd replace F&G with Curb, and it'd pretty much be my personal top ten. Well, out of the shows I've seen. 11-30 is where it seems to get sketchy.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Reb on November 12, 2009, 04:17:22 PM
Freaks and Geeks :heart
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 12, 2009, 04:18:32 PM
Halfway through the season, I absolutely adored it. The second half I didn't enjoy nearly as much, for whatever reason.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Diunx on November 12, 2009, 04:19:32 PM
The freaks and geeks chick is pretty hot.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 12, 2009, 04:21:36 PM
The freaks and geeks chick is pretty hot.
(http://somewhatmanlynerd.com/pics/vlcsnap-5988047.jpg)
(http://somewhatmanlynerd.com/pics/vlcsnap-5995421.jpg)
(http://somewhatmanlynerd.com/pics/vlcsnap-6004826.jpg)
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 12, 2009, 04:29:53 PM
Halfway through the season, I absolutely adored it. The second half I didn't enjoy nearly as much, for whatever reason.

Because it was entirely random. I like punk now! I like disco now! I like the Grateful Dead now! I like Dungeons and Dragons now! Cindy is a Randroid now! Hey, Vice President Bush is visiting the school now!
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 12, 2009, 04:31:16 PM
Yeah, damn that show for having a different plot every week.  :maf
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 12, 2009, 04:31:29 PM
Post the gif, Cajole!

(http://somewhatmanlynerd.com/gifs/lindsaylaughing2.gif)
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Reb on November 12, 2009, 04:31:55 PM
Isn't that typical for that age group though?
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on November 12, 2009, 04:32:31 PM
Isn't that typical for that age group though?

That's kinda how I thought of it.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 12, 2009, 04:37:05 PM
That's why teenagers suck! Old Jews FTW!
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 12, 2009, 04:40:14 PM
Isn't that typical for that age group though?

That's kinda how I thought of it.
Are you referring to how the freaks, most of whom were in a rock band, randomly changed their musical tastes? I would say it's not, especially when their music is part of their in-group identity and they all moved to dying or dead musical genres.

Also, it's entirely implausible for anyone with an IQ over 85 to have become a Deadhead in the 60s, let alone 80s!
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on November 12, 2009, 04:43:14 PM
What's-his-name got into disco to impress a girl while also try to make Lindsay jealous. That's a totally plausible course of action for a teenager.

The dead head thing was pretty dumb though I will admit.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 12, 2009, 04:43:21 PM
The D&D part of the show was pretty accurate for a High school Role Playing session.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 12, 2009, 04:51:37 PM
The D&D part of the show was pretty accurate for a High school Role Playing session.

Speaking of which, how did that session come about? It only came about because Daniel was forced to join the AV club as punishment for attempting to a pull a fire alarm. That sounds like a realistic punishment and not a contrived plot device to get Daniel together with the Geeks.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2009, 05:10:01 PM
I need to put more attention into The Sopranos. So far I've only watched one episode, didn't really feel like continuing right away
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 12, 2009, 06:07:50 PM
Nah, terrible character.  Everyone else in the show carries Chuck's whiny ass.  i feel the same about Burn Notice that I do Chuck, good, but not great with better side characters than the main one.  Dexter and House get a pass for the formulaic nature of their shows because the main characters are so awesome.

Really? I think Michael is pretty fuck-awesome on Burn Notice.

As much as I love Dexter, I always get the feeling that it's not as good a show as it might seem and they don't take his psycho/sociopathy far enough. Also, every second spent not with Dexter is almost painful - worst cast of any good show I can think of. Thankfully, the show is called Dexter, so his awesomeness goes a long way.

House should've made the list if only because it pushed traditional procedural drama so far, also most of it's supporting cast actually became pretty great characters - even seemingly lameos like Chase and Cameron.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Himu on November 12, 2009, 06:11:23 PM
Nah, terrible character.  Everyone else in the show carries Chuck's whiny ass.  i feel the same about Burn Notice that I do Chuck, good, but not great with better side characters than the main one.  Dexter and House get a pass for the formulaic nature of their shows because the main characters are so awesome.

I like Chuck quite a bit and I completely agree about his character.

Also, I thought the Daniel being put in AV Club thing totally didn't feel realistic, and was one of the few moments in the series that felt contrived to me.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Himu on November 12, 2009, 06:14:49 PM
What's-his-name got into disco to impress a girl while also try to make Lindsay jealous. That's a totally plausible course of action for a teenager.

The dead head thing was pretty dumb though I will admit.

I disagree. He didn't start "liking" disco because he wanted to make Lindsay jealous, I think he finally got over and actually liked this girl and she introduced HIM to disco.

Also, wasn't punk just starting to get really popular around that time period? I thought it was pretty natural, because Daniel was trying to find out who he really was or what he enjoys.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 12, 2009, 06:38:25 PM
Quote
Buffy's best years were in the 90s, not the aughts. In hindsight, I feel comfortable in saying that the show got really lame once she went to college.

I think while the average/overall quality was definitely higher in the early seasons, much of the really interesting stuff came in the later years (and I don't just mean the handful of famous high concept Whedon episodes) and the show as a whole as a phenomenon or whatever would've been a lot less interesting without the later years.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 12, 2009, 06:57:36 PM
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Buffy's best years were in the 90s, not the aughts. In hindsight, I feel comfortable in saying that the show got really lame once she went to college.

I think while the average/overall quality was definitely higher in the early seasons, much of the really interesting stuff came in the later years (and I don't just mean the handful of famous high concept Whedon episodes) and the show as a whole as a phenomenon or whatever would've been a lot less interesting without the later years.

That may be, but high school Buffy is still the best.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 12, 2009, 07:32:44 PM
The Shield keeps getting shat on :maf

The fact that Breaking Bad and fucking Lost ranks higher is a disgrace
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 12, 2009, 07:37:40 PM
Just realized Peep Show was not mentioned anywhere on their lists. Maybe because it's never aired over here. But it's on Hulu now. Show is amazing.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: GilloD on November 13, 2009, 01:25:59 AM
I agree, shit like Wonder Showzen and Tim and Eric don't belong on there, and the total lack of It's Always Sunny is a travesty. I'd also include Chuck.

I think what we can all agree on is that this was the best decade for television programming since ever.

Wonder Showzen 100% deserves the nod. I adore T&E, but I'm never sure how 'good' it is.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: border on November 13, 2009, 01:46:31 AM
This is probably one of the few "lists" where I've seen and am familiar with 90-95% of the content.

I can't really abide seeing The Wire at #1 though.  I would easily rate Deadwood, The Shield, and Mad Men well above it -- and Sopranos too if we are allowed to count the first few seasons that were produced in the 90's.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: OptimoPeach on November 13, 2009, 01:51:57 AM


This is probably one of the few "lists" where I've seen and am familiar with 90-95% of the content.

I can't really abide seeing The Wire at #1 though.  I would easily rate Deadwood, The Shield, and Mad Men well above it -- and Sopranos too if we are allowed to count the first few seasons that were produced in the 90's.
Did you ever finish The Wire?
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Akala on November 13, 2009, 02:01:51 AM
I'd put AD at number one.

The list is also missing House.

I'd agree.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: border on November 13, 2009, 02:20:49 AM
Did you ever finish The Wire?

Watching Season 5 Episode 6 right now actually :)  I'm liking it a good deal more than S4 really.  The subplots aren't completely out of control, and all the major players are back in action in a substantial way except for Daniels sadly.  I still don't really care for Marlowe, and Omar continues to feel a bit tacked on.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 13, 2009, 02:23:32 AM
You are weird.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Mandark on November 13, 2009, 02:28:15 AM
Why is "How I Met Your Mother" on this list.

Seconded.

Also, I'd have the Venture Brothers higher.  I'd put the two-part S1 finale and S2 up against any stretch of any other show.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2009, 03:11:11 AM
Did you ever finish The Wire?

Watching Season 5 Episode 6 right now actually :)  I'm liking it a good deal more than S4 really.  The subplots aren't completely out of control, and all the major players are back in action in a substantial way except for Daniels sadly.  I still don't really care for Marlowe, and Omar continues to feel a bit tacked on.

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/PhoenixDark1/Mo-1.gif)
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Reb on November 13, 2009, 03:40:45 AM
Yeah, House is the most mind-blowing omission.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: OptimoPeach on November 13, 2009, 07:08:36 AM
Did you ever finish The Wire?

Watching Season 5 Episode 6 right now actually :)  I'm liking it a good deal more than S4 really.  The subplots aren't completely out of control, and all the major players are back in action in a substantial way except for Daniels sadly.  I still don't really care for Marlowe, and Omar continues to feel a bit tacked on.
I dunno; I think S5 fell a little flat (although the finale is practically flawless), but I don't want to say too much if you're only halfway through. S4 was clearly not planned from the beginning of the series, but I thought that they did a great job, all things considered. Marlo is totally dull, though, I agree.

I do think it's more consistent than The Sopranos and Deadwood, but I haven't finished The Shield yet.

[img]Sad Mo Williams[img]
:lol

Yeah, House is the most mind-blowing omission.
Fuck House and his whiny brand of misanthropy
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Don Flamenco on November 13, 2009, 09:48:31 AM
Why is "How I Met Your Mother" on this list.

Seconded.

Also, I'd have the Venture Brothers higher.  I'd put the two-part S1 finale and S2 up against any stretch of any other show.

yeah, venture brothers should definitely be higher up.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Bloodwake on November 13, 2009, 10:47:54 AM
Every list is flawed, more news at 11.

Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 13, 2009, 04:14:31 PM
Oh, Green Shinobi. Never change. :lol
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 13, 2009, 04:43:12 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Diunx on November 13, 2009, 04:56:49 PM
Entourage is awesome, the fuck is wrong with you guys?
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Reb on November 14, 2009, 06:33:01 AM
Entourage is like McD, sure you can like it, but it will never be in the top 30 best.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Solo on November 14, 2009, 07:49:05 AM
Entourage is awesome, the fuck is wrong with you guys?

Its Sex in the City for men.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 14, 2009, 09:04:47 AM
Entourage is overrated but nowhere near as overrated as Weeds.

Still, The Shield needs to be in the Top 3  :punch
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2009, 09:11:12 PM
lol entourage
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 14, 2009, 09:15:04 PM
Entourage is awful, and I usually like shitty things apparently
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 14, 2009, 09:20:08 PM
:piss Entourage :piss2
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: OptimoPeach on November 14, 2009, 10:22:54 PM
I swear to God, I remember half of you praising the first few seasons of Entourage a couple years back
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Mandark on November 15, 2009, 12:13:06 AM
Pshhhh.

Next you'll be telling us how they snubbed MTV Cribs.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 15, 2009, 01:18:07 AM
I'm just speaking for myself but I think Entourage and Weeds aren't that bad but they're overrated as fuck.  Well, Weeds is fucking terrible but Entourage is a fluff TV show and to see what assholish thing Ari Gold might do this week.  It's like Tucker Max: The TV Show.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Mandark on November 15, 2009, 02:10:27 AM
TVC and I and some other people wasted a lot of time overanalyzing why it sucks a couple years back, here and at GAF.

Short version:  If it's a drama, then it sucks because the plot meanders all the time.  If it's a comedy it sucks because it's not funny.  Some of the actors (E and Vince) are outright terrible.  80% of the celebrity cameos add nothing.

Ari's the only character you can count on.  When he's not around, it veers into lifestyle porn and hideously boring relationship plotlines.

Not to say it doesn't have its moments, or that it's unwatchable.  But no way does it get a high spot in the canon.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2009, 02:12:12 AM
In short 24>Entourage
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Mandark on November 15, 2009, 02:20:29 AM
I laugh my ass off at the comedic moments and have gotten teary-eyed on a few occasions during the dramatic moments. Agree to disagree I guess.

Please be more "constructive" and explain why I should like this show.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 15, 2009, 12:31:59 PM
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Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Diunx on November 16, 2009, 04:31:30 PM
Entourage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The office>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30 Rock.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Diunx on November 16, 2009, 04:40:10 PM
yes.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 16, 2009, 04:43:05 PM
Futurama is better than any of them.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Diunx on November 16, 2009, 04:44:27 PM
Futurama is overrated.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 16, 2009, 04:50:40 PM
Futurama is overrated.

At least it's rated. Unlike Entourage. Which didn't make the list. Because it sucks.
Title: Re: The AV Club: 30 Best TV Series of the Aughts
Post by: Diunx on November 16, 2009, 04:51:33 PM
Whatever Entourage still on the air and is still awesome.