earthbound sucks.
mother 3 is better.
earthbound sucks.
mother 3 is better.
Ok can you explain why? I'm seriously interested why people think this is.
I played both, and Mother 3 pretty much knocked me out of the stratosphere on how awful it was. Like, I raged when I finished, I couldn't believe what I played.
earthbound sucks.No
mother 3 is better.
I still need to play FFII and FFV. The only main FF games I've never played.lol? The jaggy polygonal DS remakes look worse than the 16 bit originals
I'm waiting for the FFV DS remake. Don't think I'll ever play FFII. Game looks ungodly ugly.
earthbound sucks.No
mother 3 is better.
I love em all except FFIII. One caveat is that FFII really should only be played in its GBA or PSP form. Makes the game sane and adds a good bit to the story.
I love em all except FFIII. One caveat is that FFII really should only be played in its GBA or PSP form. Makes the game sane and adds a good bit to the story.
Why does everyone seem to hate 3 so much? I thought it was a pretty damn good game for the era - lots of nonlinear and optional/side stuff, a much better take on FF1's class system, all sorts of unique airships to get (the Invincible is badass!), some pretty balanced gameplay (apart from the fight with Garuda), and some of the best graphics and music on the Famicom.
FF5 will always be my favorite though.
Of course Chrono Trigger is still the RPG king.fixed
ok so to convince myself of the quality of final fantasy 5,i started replaying it and just got after the water crystal smash and i still don't understand why people like the job system that much,sure it's a cool idea but ultimately you are just going to end up mastering ranger and red mage and then everyone spams dual cast/rapid fire alternatively if you are familiar with the game or just faq savy you just end up abusing the good blue spells
a lot of jobs are pointless and have no reason to get used so what's the deal?
Even though the first FF game I have played and finished was 7 I don't hold it as the best in the series. Won't make a list but suffice to say FF12 is on the top :-*
ok so to convince myself of the quality of final fantasy 5,i started replaying it and just got after the water crystal smash and i still don't understand why people like the job system that much,sure it's a cool idea but ultimately you are just going to end up mastering ranger and red mage and then everyone spams dual cast/rapid fire alternatively if you are familiar with the game or just faq savy you just end up abusing the good blue spellsfriend of mine suggested i play ff5 and you just saved me the trouble.
a lot of jobs are pointless and have no reason to get used so what's the deal?
ok so to convince myself of the quality of final fantasy 5,i started replaying it and just got after the water crystal smash and i still don't understand why people like the job system that much,sure it's a cool idea but ultimately you are just going to end up mastering ranger and red mage and then everyone spams dual cast/rapid fire alternatively if you are familiar with the game or just faq savy you just end up abusing the good blue spells
a lot of jobs are pointless and have no reason to get used so what's the deal?
giving those skills to the character while he's using another job, complimenting his current classisn't that sugar coating giving rapid-fire to a double wielding character?
Looking back at those games, FF 1-6 feel almost exactly the same. Nothing distinguishes one from another.:lol
Sure. But you said everyone.
In my game, only one character would be using rapid fire.
that's the best way to exploit the game and exploiting stuff is what all rpg are about... that's why we have elemental weakness and stuff like that
how do you play anyway? do you make everyone a bard and use hide with all of your characters? :teehee
(http://i46.tinypic.com/118pyjp.gif)Oh man, I am so gonna piss a few folks off with this image. :lol No wonder I wasn't as taken with VII as all the newb kids, I played the same fuckin game on the SNES a few years prior!
While there are similarities between VI and VII's story they're mostly nothing alike.
In VII you're basically a terrorist.
In VI you're a resistance fighter. Your actions in VI cannot be questioned; your actions in VII are completely questionable. And that's just one of the few basic things.
Barret
"You're right..."
"It sounds cool sayin' it's to save the planet."
"But I was the one who blew up that Mako reactor......"
"Lookin' back on it now, I can see that wasn't the right way to
do things."
"I made a lot of friends and innocent bystanders suffer..."
Seriously. If you're exploiting the game and not having any fun, who's problem is that?
While there are similarities between VI and VII's story they're mostly nothing alike.
In VII you're basically a terrorist.
In VI you're a resistance fighter. Your actions in VI cannot be questioned; your actions in VII are completely questionable. And that's just one of the few basic things.QuoteBarret
"You're right..."
"It sounds cool sayin' it's to save the planet."
"But I was the one who blew up that Mako reactor......"
"Lookin' back on it now, I can see that wasn't the right way to
do things."
"I made a lot of friends and innocent bystanders suffer..."
No such thing as a remorseful terrorist :wag
Besides, nothing in that image is false. FF7 is basically the Avatar to FF6's Dances With Wolves
:piss FF7 :piss2
:bow FF6 :bow2
The Final Fantasy series has always been better suited for Nintendo consoles, IMO. The sales of the series has dipped since VII, originally designed for the N64, was released for the PSX. For a comparison, Square-Enix returned the DQ series to a Nintendo platform and the result was the highest selling DQ game ever.
A mainline FF Wii game would definitely revitalize the plummeting franchise. And before you guys say that it's not possible on the Wii, observe the sales of NSMBWii as it makes its way to be among the top 3 Mario games of all time, surpassing even the SNES and NES classics. FF and DQ games have shown to be relatively console resilient, selling well despite the comparable platforms on which they're housed, but the superior popularity and userbase of the Nintendo machines would catapult any new mainline FF/DQ game to a whole new plateau.
Of course a new mainline FF game on the Wii probably won't happen given Nomura's obvious hard on for the sputtering Sony machines. Someone at SE needs to remind the company that they were great before the weird zipper fanatic became the lead character designer.
Had FF13 been originally developed for the Wii to be released exclusively for the Wii, the game would have broken a series record. Too bad we have to wait until DQX before everyone sees that.
Oh well.
sure it's a cool idea but ultimately you are just going to end up mastering ranger and red mage and then everyone spams dual cast/rapid fire alternatively if you are familiar with the game or just faq savy you just end up abusing the good blue spells
Putting a mainline FF on the wii isn't the answer because that's not the series' audience..
Quote from: HimuroPutting a mainline FF on the wii isn't the answer because that's not the series' audience..
That's where you're wrong, brah. Where was the FF audience on the PSX before VII was whisked away and sold a record number on the platform? You make it sound like the FF fans are hopelessly and forever intertwined with Sony machines exclusively, but we all know that isn't true.
I think Nomura's zipper magic has worn out and the series needs to take a whole new direction (ala Zelda Wii), and possibly start fresh on a new console altogether. After all, if they do decide to sprinkle some western influence on the series, why not do it on the most popular home console in the west?
actualy you could say it takes even more since you need to learn the abilities before dual cast but as i said i have a problem with the job system not with the game itself,saying that a final fantasy is easy is like saying that the sky is blueQuotesure it's a cool idea but ultimately you are just going to end up mastering ranger and red mage and then everyone spams dual cast/rapid fire alternatively if you are familiar with the game or just faq savy you just end up abusing the good blue spells
Doesn't dual cast take like 999 AP to learn? If you're grinding that much, you'll be overpowered anyway and the game will be easy no matter what tactics you use, so it doesn't even matter.
No, what FF needs is this:
1. New life, a reinvention so crazy that it will make people who stopped after 8 and 9 and 10 to become actually interested again.
2. Grow up so it interests more than people outside of the animu and/or tween circle. Many of the people who helped build Square's empire are now tired of their shit, grew up, and moved on and while they're still popular with teenagers, I really wonder HOW popular.
3. Shorter development cycles. This is the big one. A part of the reason FF7-10 sold so well is because they came out YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. FF7 in 97, FF8 in 99, FF9 in 00, FF10 in 01. These days we're lucky to get a new single player main series FF every 4-5. That's too goddamn long.
FF12 did ALL THAT and guess what? FF weeaboos and fantards WHINED because it wasn't up to their fucking FFX-2 jpop shit wankery.
Fuck I hate FF fans. Fucking despise them.
I agree, but FF12 wasn't good enough. If FF12 hadn't had development problems and became the game it should have been, we PROBABLY wouldn't be having this discussion.Honestly, Final Fantasy is one of the few multi-million dollar series out there to see significant change with each new release. How often, in the last 15 years, have they really played it safe with the mainline installments in the franchise?
Those changes are never really monumental changes and almost never enough to win back or interest the old crowd.
I'm talking something big, here. RE1-3 -> RE4 big. And they should stick with it, too. Not just employ this drastic change for one game.
Because unless yer Dragon Quest, following the 20 year old traditional rpg model ain't gonna get you a new audience.
And yeah, I agree on the anime shit.
Those changes are never really monumental changes and almost never enough to win back or interest the old crowd.
I'm talking something big, here. RE1-3 -> RE4 big. And they should stick with it, too. Not just employ this drastic change for one game.
Because unless yer Dragon Quest, following the 20 year old traditional rpg model ain't gonna get you a new audience.
And yeah, I agree on the anime shit.
It's interesting how many DQ threads I go to on NeoGAF and I find so many people who are now completely enthralled in the series, from starting with 8 or 4/5 DS.
Am I the only one who thinks FF1-13 don't have "anime storylines"? When I think anime storyline I think of Tales or Wild Arms. FF has never struck me as "anime". I've always felt the games were a level of maturity above generic anime.
7 and up most definitely fit the definition of anime stories. Games before that are more simplistic, although FF4 and its wackiness is stretching it.I dunno if I'd count FF9; that whole return-to-roots theme they were trying to run with disqualifies it here, I think. I don't recall any offensive pseudo-profoundness, and the tone was generally much more blithe and quirky (but not awkwardly so) than the SRS BZNS feel of the others. Even the character design sorta reflected the self-awareness that's otherwise been mostly absent since 7.
SRS BZNS feel of the others
Or do they mean fantasy setting? Because, oops, cities like Lindblum blow that out of the water.Because the 8 and 16bit installments never had stuff like steam power or airships, right? Besides, being on the verge of industrialization is a far cry from full-on industrialization with shit like motorcycles and reactors and guns.
what FF before 9 has quirky humor and lightheartedness? FF5? FF6? That's really it? Some "return to roots!"??? The only other thing I said it had in common with its pre-7 predecessors was self-awareness, i.e. not trying SOOO hard to be DEEP.
Operative word in that sentence being "generally".SRS BZNS feel of the others
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fixed.SRS BZNS feel of the others
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I think the recent FF stories are more influenced by Japanese TV drama than by anime, though.
Its a JRPG, you expecting Charles Dickens?
I spend more time than anyone ever should watching J-Dramas, and I don't see the connection. FF isn't like "base anime", but it is like that "high anime" bullshit that a lot of people watch and pretend isn't complete shit.
Not that wRPGs get off much better ripping off shitty Dragonlance books and the arse-end of the Star Trek universe.
it is seriously so hard to believe that i really like ff7 and ff10 story ???
I don't lump OG FF7 in with the 8/10/12/13 crew. It has a pretty good sense of humour about itself.
Either way, it's okay to like trashy stories. Happens all the time. I like the first Spider-Man movie. And in 1999, I watched that show Passions for a week and a half when I sprained my ankle. Just don't forget they're trashy and you'll be alright.
And himuro if you think archetypes like "peppy character!" and "old wise man with scar!" are anime-created, well I don't know what to tell you. That's like saying every movie/novel with Bald Space Marines are inspired by Doom.
Those changes are never really monumental changes and almost never enough to win back or interest the old crowd.
I'm talking something big, here. RE1-3 -> RE4 big. And they should stick with it, too. Not just employ this drastic change for one game.
Because unless yer Dragon Quest, following the 20 year old traditional rpg model ain't gonna get you a new audience.
And yeah, I agree on the anime shit.
It's interesting how many DQ threads I go to on NeoGAF and I find so many people who are now completely enthralled in the series, from starting with 8 or 4/5 DS.
I have a similar story. 8 was my first. Fell in love with the series and played almost all the games just a few years back.
2. Grow up so it interests more than people outside of the animu and/or tween circle. Many of the people who helped build Square's empire are now tired of their shit, grew up, and moved on and while they're still popular with teenagers, I really wonder HOW popular.
And yeah, I agree on the anime shit.
Sounds like you're in denial. The argument isn't that lol Japanese sux
Those changes are never really monumental changes and almost never enough to win back or interest the old crowd.
I'm talking something big, here. RE1-3 -> RE4 big. And they should stick with it, too. Not just employ this drastic change for one game.
Because unless yer Dragon Quest, following the 20 year old traditional rpg model ain't gonna get you a new audience.
And yeah, I agree on the anime shit.
It's interesting how many DQ threads I go to on NeoGAF and I find so many people who are now completely enthralled in the series, from starting with 8 or 4/5 DS.
I have a similar story. 8 was my first. Fell in love with the series and played almost all the games just a few years back.
Now I feel really old. My first Final Fantasy was the first one on the NES when I was a wee lad. My first DQ was Dragon Warrior on the NES when I was also a wee lad.
:-\
Quote2. Grow up so it interests more than people outside of the animu and/or tween circle. Many of the people who helped build Square's empire are now tired of their shit, grew up, and moved on and while they're still popular with teenagers, I really wonder HOW popular.QuoteAnd yeah, I agree on the anime shit.QuoteSounds like you're in denial. The argument isn't that lol Japanese sux
himu just do like oscar and say it straight
Those changes are never really monumental changes and almost never enough to win back or interest the old crowd.
I'm talking something big, here. RE1-3 -> RE4 big. And they should stick with it, too. Not just employ this drastic change for one game.
Because unless yer Dragon Quest, following the 20 year old traditional rpg model ain't gonna get you a new audience.
And yeah, I agree on the anime shit.
It's interesting how many DQ threads I go to on NeoGAF and I find so many people who are now completely enthralled in the series, from starting with 8 or 4/5 DS.
I have a similar story. 8 was my first. Fell in love with the series and played almost all the games just a few years back.
Now I feel really old. My first Final Fantasy was the first one on the NES when I was a wee lad. My first DQ was Dragon Warrior on the NES when I was also a wee lad.
:-\
Yup, remember reading about Dragon Warrior in Nintendo Power (the issue with Mega Man 2 on the cover), then saw the game available to rent soon after, at the local mom-and-pop video store I used to rent all my NES games from. So I picked it up, didn't really understand much about it (I was 7 at the time), but eventually got the hang of it. Enjoyed the game but it wasn't my favorite... FF1 was like "WHOA" though, was sooooo hyped for that game and I got it for my 8th birthday. I'm so fickle with music but I still enjoy the same games I did as a kid.
Quote2. Grow up so it interests more than people outside of the animu and/or tween circle. Many of the people who helped build Square's empire are now tired of their shit, grew up, and moved on and while they're still popular with teenagers, I really wonder HOW popular.QuoteAnd yeah, I agree on the anime shit.QuoteSounds like you're in denial. The argument isn't that lol Japanese sux
himu just do like oscar and say it straight
There's nothing wrong with Japanese. I'm merely criticizing the obvious parallels between anime and jrpg fandom and I feel the anime influences are harming the potential quality for jrpgs.
I have not once argued that lol Japan sux.
I'm lol'ing at Bebpo's insistence that NO! FINAL FANTASY IS *NOT* INSPIRED BY ANIME. Which is making me chuckle like a school girl who just saw her first penis.
things like the energetic hero and the weak damsel existed in freakin final fantasy 4 which is a 1991 game,i'm not sure anime even existed in 1991
do i need to pull of "The Grand List of Console Role Playing Game Cliches"?
Quote2. Grow up so it interests more than people outside of the animu and/or tween circle. Many of the people who helped build Square's empire are now tired of their shit, grew up, and moved on and while they're still popular with teenagers, I really wonder HOW popular.QuoteAnd yeah, I agree on the anime shit.QuoteSounds like you're in denial. The argument isn't that lol Japanese sux
himu just do like oscar and say it straight
There's nothing wrong with Japanese. I'm merely criticizing the obvious parallels between anime and jrpg fandom and I feel the anime influences are harming the potential quality for jrpgs.
I have not once argued that lol Japan sux.
I'm lol'ing at Bebpo's insistence that NO! FINAL FANTASY IS *NOT* INSPIRED BY ANIME. Which is making me chuckle like a school girl who just saw her first penis.
saying that japanese rpg quality is swindling because they use japanese troupe which can be found on japanese anime seems to me like an elaborate way of saying "JAPAN SUX" especialy since a good chunk of these troupe are older than time itself and sometimes can even be found on things like freakin star wars
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/haymansbeard/RrFkGaI8arI/AAAAAAAAAI4/QdCbNRmw-ag/s512/Obi+Wan+Kenobi+01+Large.JPG)
IT'S THE OLD MAN THAT TEACH STUFF TO THE HERO! CLEARLY A PRODUCT OF ANIME!
If you don't like that kind of stuff stick to blood orcs and elf sex. That stuff doesn't do much for me but I don't try to talk it down as "lol, D&D" I just don't play those games because they don't fit with my tastes.says the berserk cigarillo.
Yes FF draws inspirations from anime. Anime is PART OF JAPANESE CULTURE. Any form of art will draw inspiration from the culture the person making it has grown up in. This includes: movies, dramas, anime, manga, novels, plays, sports, school, work, etc...you are trying to assign all the stereotypes/archetypes/tropes of Japan solely to anime and then go "lol, anime" as a reason why jrpg writing suckspretty much
TROPE NOT TROUPEnatel :teehee
Why do you keep bringing up mechanical designs, summon animations, and attacks. I thought you were talking about stories? When Lightning uses the Odin summon and cherry blossoms fall everywhere...that's not anime. When lightning does Odin's finisher where she slashes through an enemy and pauses and waits and the enemy goes URGHH and dies....that's not anime. These things are part of what makes up Japan. Just like the shy girl who can't tell her feelings, or the overly enthusiastic lead who doesn't think of the consequences of their actions. Or hey, the comic relief who guess what? Is part of Western media as well!
Yes FF draws inspirations from anime. Anime is PART OF JAPANESE CULTURE. Any form of art will draw inspiration from the culture the person making it has grown up in. This includes: movies, dramas, anime, manga, novels, plays, sports, school, work, etc...you are trying to assign all the stereotypes/archetypes/tropes of Japan solely to anime and then go "lol, anime" as a reason why jrpg writing sucks. Wouldn't it be easier to just admit that what does it for Japan doesn't do it for you anymore? Some people like that stuff and that's why it's still being used. I dig cherry blossoms and 1 hit pause kills and I like comic relief characters if they're funny or cute girls. If you don't like that kind of stuff stick to blood orcs and elf sex. That stuff doesn't do much for me but I don't try to talk it down as "lol, D&D" I just don't play those games because they don't fit with my tastes.
There is, but I don't see FF being about harems or catgirls or lolis or glasses girls, etc... Like say:
There is, but I don't see FF being about harems or catgirls or lolis or glasses girls, etc... Like say:
Heh heh, is liking girls who wear glasses a fetish now or something? I guess I am a hardcore fetishist then, lots of my g/fs wear them :P
Confession time: I haven't played any of the DQ's aside from Dragon Warrior. Maybe I should spend a month or two on the series
It's a fun series. DQ1 is nothing but a pure grind but it's at least short. DQ2 I can't even enjoy playing anymore. DQ3 is where the series turns on the gas and you should definitely take demi's advice and play the translated SFC version. DQ4 is awesome, play the DS version over the NES version though, because otherwise you are at the mercy of some interesting party AI. DQ5 is one of the best in the series. If you're playing it now, you should probably go with the DS version, but there's an English patch coming for the PS2 version, which is really the one to play.
DQ6 I can't say much about for another couple of weeks, as I'm yet to play it. DQ7 is really damn long and it's a lot of fun but it is no fooling about a hundred hours to finish if you go at a fairly quick pace. DQ8 is one of my least favourites, but it's definitely the most technically impressive of the series. Great English voice acting, and the game is just beautiful to look at and explore the world in, but because of all that, the game has a bit of loading issues and overall feels pretty slow. DQ9 is wicked but it isn't in English yet.
dude himuro one part of your argument is that one of the ffix summon is a robot,that's really distinguished mentally-challenged no matter what,would it have been better if it was a godzillesque monster or would that have been to much japanese too and you would go around saying that rpg are inspired by japanese kaiju movie?
it also seems awfull easy to generalize character like you do in that list,freya is a giant rat so she is "ZE FURRY" the rest doesn't matter and here's the shocker
tropes are not bad (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TropesAreTools?from=Main.TropesAreNotBad)
it doesn't matter freya is a giant rat,she works as a character,that's all it matters
here is another funny thing,i searched for haircut tropes and i got an article and what was the pic allegated with it?
(http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/mulan4.jpg)
CLEARLY ANOTHER PRODUCT INSIPIRED BY ANIME!
to me it sounds like you just need a more original jrpg! you want a more original jrpg? try this one
http://agtp.romhack.net/project.php?id=mmr
or better yet the ps2 sequel
and lighting is clearly a Lady of war (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LadyOfWar) so you fail!
if anything we should do the other way around and i should ask you to show me an anime that features the kid,the old guy,the furry,the preppy girl,the cautious female lead and the energetic hero (apparently according to my sources anime these days only feature little girls) ALL AT ONCE
There is, but I don't see FF being about harems or catgirls or lolis or glasses girls, etc... Like say:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/bebpo/Starocean4Anime.jpg)
I would love DQ3 re-done on the DS. That's the penultimate NES RPG.
Oh well, the GBC one is pretty great.
You're grasping.i'm grasping because i find example that aren't set in anime stone?
dude i do agree that jrpg could use more variety but you are being distinguished mentally-challenged about it by using example such as "one of the character of a game i have even't played has glasses" and "one of the attack you use in final fantasy 9 is a giant robot" and "final fantasy 9 has a little girl who looks like a troll so IT'S CLEARLY THERE BECAUSE ANIME HAS LOLI"
dude i do agree that jrpg could use more variety but you are being distinguished mentally-challenged about it by using example such as "one of the character of a game i have even't played has glasses" and "one of the attack you use in final fantasy 9 is a giant robot" and "final fantasy 9 has a little girl who looks like a troll so IT'S CLEARLY THERE BECAUSE ANIME HAS LOLI"
I'm trolling.
Holy shit, looking at the AGTP website, no idea that Mystic Ark was out. Anybody play it yet?i played it for a bit,basicaly you start on an empty island with random items on it and to each item is related a world,the first world is about two faction of pirate cats facing each other and the second is about
Holy shit, looking at the AGTP website, no idea that Mystic Ark was out. Anybody play it yet?i played it for a bit,basicaly you start on an empty island with random items on it and to each item is related a world,the first world is about two faction of pirate cats facing each other and the second is aboutso basicaly it's dragon quest 7 plot without all the shard searchspoiler (click to show/hide)people living inside giant vegetables and fruit[close]
after clearing the first world you get 5 figurines and each figurine represent a party member which you can transform out of his figurine form by infusing him with a soul
i stopped playing after a while,it wasn't bad but it just didn't click with me