Your toughts on SNES&NES Final Fantasies?

[magus]

Seriously. If you're exploiting the game and not having any fun, who's problem is that?

the job system for having skills that deal much more damage than hide and geomancy?
again as i said if people have a trouble with the ninja and the sage in FF3,then they should have problem with rapid fire and double casting too

and really you guys might play blinded or making a party with only white mages but to me it's pointless,it's the job of the game to be fun,not mine... if there is a boss that can be insta-killed,it's the game that should be bopped in the head for doing it and not the player for actualy insta-killing it
if there is a way to get a uber weapon early on there is no reason for the player to not use it

[Himu]

If there's a boss that can be insta-killed, don't insta-kill it.

I mean, really, your problem goes beyond FF5. Almost every FF has balance issues.

[Himu]

While there are similarities between VI and VII's story they're mostly nothing alike.

In VII you're basically a terrorist.

In VI you're a resistance fighter. Your actions in VI cannot be questioned; your actions in VII are completely questionable. And that's just one of the few basic things.

Barret
         "You're right..."
         "It sounds cool sayin' it's to save the planet."
         "But I was the one who blew up that Mako reactor......"
         "Lookin' back on it now, I can see that wasn't the right way to
do things."
         "I made a lot of friends and innocent bystanders suffer..."

No such thing as a remorseful terrorist

Besides, nothing in that image is false. FF7 is basically the Avatar to FF6's Dances With Wolves

FF7
FF6

But in FF6 they're not saving the planet, not at first. It's really just a resistance against an evil empire. Then it slowly unwraps into a save the world plot.

In FF7, you're trying to "save the planet" by questionable means at the beginning of the game.

Even then, once you're out of Midgar, FF7 is all about chasing Sephiroth. There's no resistance at all until well into disc 2 when you go into Midgar and whereas Kekfa actually DESTROYED the world and put it in a perpetual world full of fear and death, Sephiroth (or rather, Jenova) just summoned a giant meteor.

You might as well say FF6 is a rip off to FF4, after all, they both star evil empires bent on world destruction and control!  People complaining about games and movies having similar plots are stupid. FF4/FF6 are rip offs of Star Wars, which is a "rip off" of Battleship Potemkin.

[Himu]

Who cares about ninja an sage in FF3 if the game itself is zzz?

You can exploit just about every game you encounter. Doesn't mean you have to.

[magus]

well i know of no other rpg where you can get something so powerfull to break the entire game halfway trough it,unless tri-ace or etrian odyssey are involved

and really i'm not even saying that ff5 is bad i'm saying that ff5 job system isn't great because ultimately there are a few usefull skills that let you deal tons of damage and tons of crappy skill that you just stockpile on your character (like all the "equip x" stuff) so it seems silly to see people going "ZOMG THE JOB SYSTEM IS AWESOME"

saying "don't use the awesome skill then" doesn't change this basic fact

 

[Himu]

For me, job systems are not about skills. For me, job systems are about customization. I could give two shits about skills.

[magus]

and isn't customization about skills?

[Himu]

Sure. But for me, customization is also about creating my own dude, with my own gauntlet of things to kill monsters with. If I don't want to use a skill, I don't have to. That's the joy in FF5's system. FF5 lets me do this like no other FF job system that ISN'T FFT's or FFX-2's.

[Nintendosbooger]

The Final Fantasy series has always been better suited for Nintendo consoles, IMO. The sales of the series has dipped since VII, originally designed for the N64, was released for the PSX. For a comparison, Square-Enix returned the DQ series to a Nintendo platform and the result was the highest selling DQ game ever.

A mainline FF Wii game would definitely revitalize the plummeting franchise. And before you guys say that it's not possible on the Wii, observe the sales of NSMBWii as it makes its way to be among the top 3 Mario games of all time, surpassing even the SNES and NES classics. FF and DQ games have shown to be relatively console resilient, selling well despite the comparable platforms on which they're housed, but the superior popularity and userbase of the Nintendo machines would catapult any new mainline FF/DQ game to a whole new plateau.

Of course a new mainline FF game on the Wii probably won't happen given Nomura's obvious hard on for the sputtering Sony machines. Someone at SE needs to remind the company that they were great before the weird zipper fanatic became the lead character designer.
Had FF13 been originally developed for the Wii to be released exclusively for the Wii, the game would have broken a series record. Too bad we have to wait until DQX before everyone sees that.

Oh well.

[Raban]

The Final Fantasy series has always been better suited for Nintendo consoles, IMO. The sales of the series has dipped since VII, originally designed for the N64, was released for the PSX. For a comparison, Square-Enix returned the DQ series to a Nintendo platform and the result was the highest selling DQ game ever.

A mainline FF Wii game would definitely revitalize the plummeting franchise. And before you guys say that it's not possible on the Wii, observe the sales of NSMBWii as it makes its way to be among the top 3 Mario games of all time, surpassing even the SNES and NES classics. FF and DQ games have shown to be relatively console resilient, selling well despite the comparable platforms on which they're housed, but the superior popularity and userbase of the Nintendo machines would catapult any new mainline FF/DQ game to a whole new plateau.

Of course a new mainline FF game on the Wii probably won't happen given Nomura's obvious hard on for the sputtering Sony machines. Someone at SE needs to remind the company that they were great before the weird zipper fanatic became the lead character designer.
Had FF13 been originally developed for the Wii to be released exclusively for the Wii, the game would have broken a series record. Too bad we have to wait until DQX before everyone sees that.

Oh well.

I almost agreed with this post until I saw who wrote it.

[Himu]

The problem with FF isn't the consoles. The problem with FF is that the budget is too bloated and that it follows a way outdated gameplay model. FF13's overly cinematic crap will probably be the last time Square funds that stuff, and they will probably start focusing on more western approaches to rpgs with a blend of Japanese design - with the help of their recently acquired studio, Eidos.

Putting a mainline FF on the wii isn't the answer because that's not the series' audience. Japanese players will buy systems for DQ. I highly doubt players would go out of their way to buy wii's to play FF outside of Japan, but I could be wrong on that. But the numbers don't lie, considering how FF remakes, and FF Crystal Chronicles games have sold across Nintendo platforms.

[recursivelyenumerable]

sure it's a cool idea but ultimately you are just going to end up mastering ranger and red mage and then everyone spams dual cast/rapid fire alternatively if you are familiar with the game or just faq savy you just end up abusing the good blue spells

Doesn't dual cast take like 999 AP to learn?  If you're grinding that much, you'll be overpowered anyway and the game will be easy no matter what tactics you use, so it doesn't even matter.

[Nintendosbooger]

Putting a mainline FF on the wii isn't the answer because that's not the series' audience..

That's where you're wrong, brah. Where was the FF audience on the PSX before VII was whisked away and sold a record number on the platform? You make it sound like the FF fans are hopelessly and forever intertwined with Sony machines exclusively, but we all know that isn't true.

I think Nomura's zipper magic has worn out and the series needs to take a whole new direction (ala Zelda Wii), and possibly start fresh on a new console altogether. After all, if they do decide to sprinkle some western influence on the series, why not do it on the most popular home console in the west?

[recursivelyenumerable]

Nintendosbooger really needs to make better use of the job change system.  Learn to mix and match a bit, dude.

[Himu]

Putting a mainline FF on the wii isn't the answer because that's not the series' audience..

That's where you're wrong, brah. Where was the FF audience on the PSX before VII was whisked away and sold a record number on the platform? You make it sound like the FF fans are hopelessly and forever intertwined with Sony machines exclusively, but we all know that isn't true.

I think Nomura's zipper magic has worn out and the series needs to take a whole new direction (ala Zelda Wii), and possibly start fresh on a new console altogether. After all, if they do decide to sprinkle some western influence on the series, why not do it on the most popular home console in the west?

Well, FF has become less relevant in the industry in general. Despite dwindling sales, they still (for the most part) sold better than they did pre-VII because pre-VII was ONLY Japan. Hell, FF8 sold more than 7. So where is your argument?

I'm not saying FF fans are mostly concentrated on Sony consoles, but there's definitely an overwhelming amount. And many of those went to Microsoft when 360 came out and Sony took forever to release ps3.

What I'M saying is that I don't FF is no longer relevent enough for it to recieve a revival strictly because of wii. FF is not DQ. Most of DQ's sales come IN Japan, whereas FF is a far more internationally sold franchise. FF has built up a brand in the US, Canada, Europe and the rest of the world; DQ hasn't. It has also built up its brand on high end consoles with crazy product values. I think that going to the wii would do WONDERS for the wii audience in Japan, but would be a disaster outside of Japan. After all, we know how well rpgs have done on Nintendo consoles in the past 3 gens. :lenowned

With the exception of games like Tales of Symphonia which are only successes BECAUSE of a heavy rpg drought on Nintendo consoles and heavy word of mouth, people don't think of rpgs when it comes to the wii. DQ10 could change that, like it helped changed the portable rpg landscape, I *still* doubt that putting FF on wii is a good idea.

That's doing away with over ten years of brand name build up: from 7 up till now. That's like putting RE games exclusive on a Nintendo console, and we know how THAT turned out.

I'll agree that the series needs new life. Something that'll give it a new boost in terms of interest and sales ala RE4, but I don't think that putting it on the wii is the answer. Nintendo fans have clamored for high profile series on wii and most of those haven't done so well in the past, have they?

No, what FF needs is this:

1. New life, a reinvention so crazy that it will make people who stopped after 8 and 9 and 10 to become actually interested again.
2. Grow up so it interests more than people outside of the animu and/or tween circle. Many of the people who helped build Square's empire are now tired of their shit, grew up, and moved on and while they're still popular with teenagers, I really wonder HOW popular.
3. Shorter development cycles. This is the big one. A part of the reason FF7-10 sold so well is because they came out YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. FF7 in 97, FF8 in 99, FF9 in 00, FF10 in 01. These days we're lucky to get a new single player main series FF every 4-5. That's too goddamn long.

[magus]

sure it's a cool idea but ultimately you are just going to end up mastering ranger and red mage and then everyone spams dual cast/rapid fire alternatively if you are familiar with the game or just faq savy you just end up abusing the good blue spells

Doesn't dual cast take like 999 AP to learn?  If you're grinding that much, you'll be overpowered anyway and the game will be easy no matter what tactics you use, so it doesn't even matter.

actualy you could say it takes even more since you need to learn the abilities before dual cast but as i said i have a problem with the job system not with the game itself,saying that a final fantasy is easy is like saying that the sky is blue

besides it depends on what you are using for grinding,there are a few encounters that give you quite a lot of JP

and can we keep nintendosbooger out of this thread? i feel stupider (is that even a word?) already  :'(

[Green Shinobi]

FF6 is still, in my opinion, the best JRPG ever.

[Himu]

No, what FF needs is this:

1. New life, a reinvention so crazy that it will make people who stopped after 8 and 9 and 10 to become actually interested again.

2. Grow up so it interests more than people outside of the animu and/or tween circle. Many of the people who helped build Square's empire are now tired of their shit, grew up, and moved on and while they're still popular with teenagers, I really wonder HOW popular.

3. Shorter development cycles. This is the big one. A part of the reason FF7-10 sold so well is because they came out YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. FF7 in 97, FF8 in 99, FF9 in 00, FF10 in 01. These days we're lucky to get a new single player main series FF every 4-5. That's too goddamn long.

FF12 did ALL THAT and guess what? FF weeaboos and fantards WHINED because it wasn't up to their fucking  FFX-2 jpop shit wankery.

Fuck I hate FF fans. Fucking despise them.

I agree, but FF12 wasn't good enough. If FF12 hadn't had development problems and became the game it should have been, we PROBABLY wouldn't be having this discussion.

[dark1x]

I agree, but FF12 wasn't good enough. If FF12 hadn't had development problems and became the game it should have been, we PROBABLY wouldn't be having this discussion.

Honestly, Final Fantasy is one of the few multi-million dollar series out there to see significant change with each new release.  How often, in the last 15 years, have they really played it safe with the mainline installments in the franchise?

For better or for worse, you always end up with a very different game with changes made that often divide the fanbase.  It's no surprise that some people hate FFXIII, really.  Every installment pisses off a subset of fans to some degree.  Are there even any FF titles that truly please ALL of the fans?

I must admit, however, I'm growing tired of the "anime storylines" at this point.  I used to enjoy that shit when I was younger, but now, it's just embarrassing and does nothing for me.  FFXII was actually an improvement in that regard, but XIII seems like a step back.  I don't want generic Western RPG bullshit either (like Dragon Age or something), rather, I want to see their creativity put to use in a way that is unexpected and interesting without the anime influence.

[Himu]

Those changes are never really monumental changes and almost never enough to win back or interest the old crowd.

I'm talking something big, here. RE1-3 -> RE4 big. And they should stick with it, too. Not just employ this drastic change for one game.

Because unless yer Dragon Quest, following the 20 year old traditional rpg model ain't gonna get you a new audience.

And yeah, I agree on the anime shit.

[tiesto]

Those changes are never really monumental changes and almost never enough to win back or interest the old crowd.

I'm talking something big, here. RE1-3 -> RE4 big. And they should stick with it, too. Not just employ this drastic change for one game.

Because unless yer Dragon Quest, following the 20 year old traditional rpg model ain't gonna get you a new audience.

And yeah, I agree on the anime shit.

It's interesting how many DQ threads I go to on NeoGAF and I find so many people who are now completely enthralled in the series, from starting with 8 or 4/5 DS.

[magus]

anyway i'm continuing,i just remembered the most awesome thing of ff5
[youtube=560,345][/youtube]
*UH*
just cleared the last few bosses by spamming ifrit like a damned,himuro wouldn't be proud  :'(

[Bebpo]

Am I the only one who thinks FF1-13 don't have "anime storylines"?  When I think anime storyline I think of Tales or Wild Arms.  FF has never struck me as "anime".  I've always felt the games were a level of maturity above generic anime.

[magus]

yea to me it just seems like a way to call the plot "cheap and stupid" without saying it straightly

[Himu]

Those changes are never really monumental changes and almost never enough to win back or interest the old crowd.

I'm talking something big, here. RE1-3 -> RE4 big. And they should stick with it, too. Not just employ this drastic change for one game.

Because unless yer Dragon Quest, following the 20 year old traditional rpg model ain't gonna get you a new audience.

And yeah, I agree on the anime shit.

It's interesting how many DQ threads I go to on NeoGAF and I find so many people who are now completely enthralled in the series, from starting with 8 or 4/5 DS.

I have a similar story. 8 was my first. Fell in love with the series and played almost all the games just a few years back.

[Himu]

Am I the only one who thinks FF1-13 don't have "anime storylines"?  When I think anime storyline I think of Tales or Wild Arms.  FF has never struck me as "anime".  I've always felt the games were a level of maturity above generic anime.

How are they not anime stories?

They take typical anime cliches:

The energetic hero.

The quiet, weak damsel.

Stupid, convoluted plots with a mish mash of overly dramatic Japanese acting.

How are they, and this in particular, NOT anime stories?

[youtube=560,345]T6moSSGvc5w[/youtube]

You could attribute this to the overly dramatic nature of Asian acting in general, but how can you watch this and NOT draw similarities to THIS? Especially given the names of FF leads? Cloud, Squall, Lightning, Snow? That is Gundam protagonist territory.

[youtube=560,345]65NNy8eZ9HQ[/youtube]

I'M A GUNDAM. In terms of writing, character archetypes, storylines, and character arcs, Final Fantasy games are generic anime in game form.

The only reason you think Tales and Wild Arms are anime stories while FF isn't are the character designs.

7 and up most definitely fit the definition of anime stories. Games before that are more simplistic, although FF4 and its wackiness is stretching it.

[OptimoPeach]

7 and up most definitely fit the definition of anime stories. Games before that are more simplistic, although FF4 and its wackiness is stretching it.

I dunno if I'd count FF9; that whole return-to-roots theme they were trying to run with disqualifies it here, I think. I don't recall any offensive pseudo-profoundness, and the tone was generally much more blithe and quirky (but not awkwardly so) than the SRS BZNS feel of the others. Even the character design sorta reflected the self-awareness that's otherwise been mostly absent since 7.

But then I haven't played that shit in years, so maybe nostalgia just has me talking out of my ass

[Himu]

Why do people always say FF9 is a return to roots? It isn't. If return to roots means take every single plot twist in every FF ever, even games like 7 and 8, then sure, it's return to roots!

Or do they mean fantasy setting? Because, oops, cities like Lindblum blow that out of the water.

If they mean the lightheartedness, I'd agree, but that tone is entirely shifted in the later half and really, what FF before 9 has quirky humor and lightheartedness? FF5? FF6? That's really it? Some "return to roots!"

[demi]

I usually refer to "return to roots" by not introducing some dilapidated gaming scheme, such as the Draw/Junction, Materia, or even Job Systems. You just pick your characters, level up, and earn skills from equipment. Very classic, and enjoyable.

[Himu]

SRS BZNS feel of the others

[youtube=560,345]a1kBChUdQ7w[/youtube]

[OptimoPeach]

Or do they mean fantasy setting? Because, oops, cities like Lindblum blow that out of the water.

Because the 8 and 16bit installments never had stuff like steam power or airships, right? Besides, being on the verge of industrialization is a far cry from full-on industrialization with shit like motorcycles and reactors and guns.

But I was more referring to what demi said.

what FF before 9 has quirky humor and lightheartedness? FF5? FF6? That's really it? Some "return to roots!"

The only other thing I said it had in common with its pre-7 predecessors was self-awareness, i.e. not trying SOOO hard to be DEEP.

[OptimoPeach]

SRS BZNS feel of the others

[youtube=560,345]a1kBChUdQ7w[/youtube]

Operative word in that sentence being "generally".

But that was pretty homo

[demi]

The end of FF9 should pretty much be the definition of self-awareness.

"We beat the last boss! Wait... giant crystal overlord? Shit, let's kill that too!"

One of the secret bosses is a giant floating orb!

[MCD]

SRS BZNS feel of the others

(Image removed from quote.)

fixed.

[demi]

*tinkle tinkle*

[demi]

Borys attacks point

Borys misses

[recursivelyenumerable]

I think the recent FF stories are more influenced by Japanese TV drama than by anime, though.

[Himu]

I think the recent FF stories are more influenced by Japanese TV drama than by anime, though.

Well the cliche's are standard anime, but they have the mannerisms of Japanese tv.

[Bebpo]

I think people are just starting to use "anime stories" to mean "hey, it's Japanese and Japan sucks so that's a bad thing!"

Recursive is right.  FFX+ especially are fashioned after Japanese tv drama.  But hey that's still Japanese so let's just call it anime!  Hell their movies are full of shitty CG so let's call them anime too!  Somehow I'm sure we can describe their novels like Murakami as anime in some way if we tried as well!


It's like people want western stories out of jrpgs.  I think demi hit that nail on the head:

Its a JRPG, you expecting Charles Dickens?

[Himu]

How are FF10 and up fashioned after Japanese drama and not anime? Japanese drama tends to at least have a basis in reality. Does Japanese drama have the old man with the scar on his face who gives wise advice to the young lead? Do they tend to have an overly preppy female character who's always WE CAN DO IT! Does J-drama tend to have a furry creature who talks and a busty chick in RIDICULOUS clothes that makes zero sense at all? No.

Sounds like you're in denial. The argument isn't that lol Japanese sux, because not all anime have bad stories. You should know where I stand considering I am (or at one point) was a big anime fan. The argument is that the character archetypes are cookie cutter manga/anime cliches with typical anime-like plot twists.

Furthermore still, I'm not saying FF is the only jrpg ever clearly inspired by anime. It's not. Aside from SMT games, unless Persona is on the title and a few other spin offs, I can't think of many jrpgs that AREN'T clearly inspired by anime in some form. Some, like Dragon Quest don't, despite their colorful looks. But many, like later Final Fantasy games, Wild Arms, Tales, Suikoden are CLEARLY inspired by anime. Whether it's a good thing or not depends on the writers at hand.

And demi's post does not hit the nail on the head. I don't expect Charles Dickens from wrpgs either. wrpgs get their inspiration from Dungeons and Dragons and a bunch of other shit. Jrpgs like Final Fantasy get their current inspiration from fashion, j-drama, and ESPECIALLY anime.

[Himu]

I mean, this is basic shit, bebpo.

[youtube=560,345]LcnGJ6LNqTY[/youtube]

mecha turns into ice twins

[youtube=560,345]QVb8nKj6iYo[/youtube]

mecha turns into a drill

bububububut not inspired by anime.

 

[MCD]

japs are hacks news at 11

[drew]

weaboos are revolting your weather up next

[Himu]

FF NOT INSPIRED BY ANIME

[Bebpo]

So ripping off mech designs makes the story "anime"?
Japan inspired/rips off Japan.  News at 11.

And himuro if you think archetypes like "peppy character!" and "old wise man with scar!" are anime-created, well I don't know what to tell you.  That's like saying every movie/novel with Bald Space Marines are inspired by Doom.

[magus]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FinalFantasyX
what's one of the troupe in this list?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LukeIAmYourFather
clearly star wars was inspired by japanese animu! i mean it does have a race of beastmen doesn't it?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheStoic
a lot of stuff in this one too!

[magus]

I spend more time than anyone ever should watching J-Dramas, and I don't see the connection.  FF isn't like "base anime", but it is like that "high anime" bullshit that a lot of people watch and pretend isn't complete shit.

Not that wRPGs get off much better ripping off shitty Dragonlance books and the arse-end of the Star Trek universe.

it is seriously so hard to believe that i really like ff7 and ff10 story 

[magus]

it is seriously so hard to believe that i really like ff7 and ff10 story 

I don't lump OG FF7 in with the 8/10/12/13 crew.  It has a pretty good sense of humour about itself. 

Either way, it's okay to like trashy stories.  Happens all the time.  I like the first Spider-Man movie.  And in 1999, I watched that show Passions for a week and a half when I sprained my ankle.  Just don't forget they're trashy and you'll be alright.

but if i like it doesn't it mean that i'm okay with it and therefore don't think of it as trashy?

uh anyway i'm off the fight the cannon boss,i'm going to spam ramuh and aquarake so hard

[magus]

the big mac is tasty that is all
but it's not as tasty as anything that comes with bacon... mmm... bacon

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

FF stories are anime inspired because a lot of the same groups of people who play FF watch anime and vice versa.

[Himu]

@ denial that FF stories aren't anime-inspired.

Bebpo keeps bringing up j-drama but has cited NO example.

And himuro if you think archetypes like "peppy character!" and "old wise man with scar!" are anime-created, well I don't know what to tell you.  That's like saying every movie/novel with Bald Space Marines are inspired by Doom.

Not really.

Don't make me bring up the tsundere character archtype. DON'T MAKE ME.

[Mr. Gundam]

Those changes are never really monumental changes and almost never enough to win back or interest the old crowd.

I'm talking something big, here. RE1-3 -> RE4 big. And they should stick with it, too. Not just employ this drastic change for one game.

Because unless yer Dragon Quest, following the 20 year old traditional rpg model ain't gonna get you a new audience.

And yeah, I agree on the anime shit.

It's interesting how many DQ threads I go to on NeoGAF and I find so many people who are now completely enthralled in the series, from starting with 8 or 4/5 DS.

I have a similar story. 8 was my first. Fell in love with the series and played almost all the games just a few years back.

Now I feel really old. My first Final Fantasy was the first one on the NES when I was a wee lad. My first DQ was Dragon Warrior on the NES when I was also a wee lad.

 

[Himu]

Well, I didn't have a system that'd play DW. I didn't have  a GBC to play I+II, or III remakes.

I wanted to play DW7 when it came out on psx, but could never find it.

[Mr. Gundam]

I love how Nintendo Power sent out Dragon Warrior (DQ1) for free to subscribers when it first came out.

[Himu]

I was too young for that. I was either playing Mario or Castlevania.

[Mr. Gundam]

I couldn't have been more than 7 or 8 when I played through both FF1 and DQ1. Neither were difficult to understand.

[Himu]

I was around 3-4 when I first played Mario.

[magus]

2. Grow up so it interests more than people outside of the animu and/or tween circle. Many of the people who helped build Square's empire are now tired of their shit, grew up, and moved on and while they're still popular with teenagers, I really wonder HOW popular.

And yeah, I agree on the anime shit.

Sounds like you're in denial. The argument isn't that lol Japanese sux

himu just do like oscar and say it straight
things like the energetic hero and the weak damsel existed in freakin final fantasy 4 which is a 1991 game,i'm not sure anime even existed in 1991
do i need to pull of "The Grand List of Console Role Playing Game Cliches"?

by the way i'm off to world 2,just killed the last boss by spamming 1000 needles like there was no tomorrow,should have brought a berserker maybe
i have 3 songs,do i have them all? i remember being pissed about missing one last time i played FFV,yes i know they are useless but ehy missing stuff permanently is really really annoying

[tiesto]

Those changes are never really monumental changes and almost never enough to win back or interest the old crowd.

I'm talking something big, here. RE1-3 -> RE4 big. And they should stick with it, too. Not just employ this drastic change for one game.

Because unless yer Dragon Quest, following the 20 year old traditional rpg model ain't gonna get you a new audience.

And yeah, I agree on the anime shit.

It's interesting how many DQ threads I go to on NeoGAF and I find so many people who are now completely enthralled in the series, from starting with 8 or 4/5 DS.

I have a similar story. 8 was my first. Fell in love with the series and played almost all the games just a few years back.

Now I feel really old. My first Final Fantasy was the first one on the NES when I was a wee lad. My first DQ was Dragon Warrior on the NES when I was also a wee lad.

 

Yup, remember reading about Dragon Warrior in Nintendo Power (the issue with Mega Man 2 on the cover), then saw the game available to rent soon after, at the local mom-and-pop video store I used to rent all my NES games from. So I picked it up, didn't really understand much about it (I was 7 at the time), but eventually got the hang of it. Enjoyed the game but it wasn't my favorite... FF1 was like "WHOA" though, was sooooo hyped for that game and I got it for my 8th birthday. I'm so fickle with music but I still enjoy the same games I did as a kid.

[Himu]

2. Grow up so it interests more than people outside of the animu and/or tween circle. Many of the people who helped build Square's empire are now tired of their shit, grew up, and moved on and while they're still popular with teenagers, I really wonder HOW popular.

And yeah, I agree on the anime shit.

Sounds like you're in denial. The argument isn't that lol Japanese sux

himu just do like oscar and say it straight

There's nothing wrong with Japanese. I'm merely criticizing the obvious parallels between anime and jrpg fandom and I feel the anime influences are harming the potential quality for jrpgs.

I have not once argued that lol Japan sux.

I'm lol'ing at Bebpo's insistence that NO! FINAL FANTASY IS *NOT* INSPIRED BY ANIME. Which is making me chuckle like a school girl who just saw her first penis.