THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Ichirou on May 16, 2010, 06:43:03 AM
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From the desk of the President of Bang Zoom! Entertainment, Eric P. Sherman:
You must have noticed by now that many of the publishers that brought anime to the West have been shut down or substantially down-sized. There are only a few places left still able to bring titles to our shores. This is a critical year for anime. There’s no other way to say it. And I realized this morning that it was time for me to sound an urgent alarm.
If people don’t resist the urge to get their fix illegally, the entire industry is about to fizzle out. It won’t be a big dramatic change at this point. Last year we saw Bandai fire 90% of their staff on one Monday in January, and two years ago we saw Geneon (neé Pioneer) shut their doors and auction off their wares to the highest bidder. CPM died a slow, painful death. And ADV fell hard and fast, the way mighty giants will. But from here on, it won’t be so exciting. Japan is already suffering and struggling to bring out quality titles. They can’t rely on everything being picked up by US distributors anymore. And little by little, it just won’t be here anymore.
You can’t find much anime at Best Buy now. In fact, where can you find it for sale? Think about that. There are fewer new titles coming out, and less and less stuff will be in English, because it’s just not worth the cost of dubbing it. It’s true that entertainment distribution models are going to be changing dramatically. DVD may be on the way out forever, and online TV is becoming a reality very quickly. But so far, there are no successful ways to monetize online entertainment. Not so that creators can afford to produce and distribute quality content.
Anime is going to die.
Unless YOU change. Right now. Stop stealing. If you have committed theft, robbery, shop-lifting, or just “downloading some stuff through torrent reactor,” then just stop doing it — now. You probably wouldn’t go into a supermarket and put a package of swiss cheese under your shirt and walk out without paying. Nor would you walk into Best Buy and try to walk out with Guitar Hero, bypassing the cash register. Why? Is it because you might get caught? Or are there other issues, such as standards of morality, that dictate how you live your life.
The net, for all it’s charms, is also a dark and dangerous place. When you’re navigating it, you need to ask yourself this question: Is this right, just because it is so easy? You need to understand that quality entertainment costs a lot to create. And if there is no one paying for this content, it just won’t be made anymore. If no one bought tickets to a Lady Ga Ga show, she would not do the tour. That’s just how it works. For some reason, people don’t mind stealing their anime. I’m here to tell you flat out: This is wrong. You are doing something bad. And you need to stop it.
I’m sure that some of you reading this will laugh, close this window, and go download some more torrents. Why not? Who’s going to know? Who’s going to catch you?
I think this bears repetition, so I’ll say it again: Not getting caught does not make what you are doing right. And I am pretty sure it doesn’t make you feel good about yourself. What you are doing is not only illegal, it is actually hurting many people. From the artists and creators, to the voice actors in the studios — all working to put food on their tables for their families. You can’t see them, and you can’t see the immediate results of your actions. But believe me, you are hurting people.
If what I’m saying resonates with you, then consider this a wake up call. A call to immediate and profound action. It’s very easy to do. You should support anime if you love it, by paying for it. Do the right thing. Plain and simple. Because if you don’t, I can guarantee you that this time next year, Bang Zoom won’t be bringing you anymore English language versions of it.
To all of those who support anime: a heartfelt thank you from all of us at the studio.
http://goanimetv.com/?p=668
An addendum from me: Viz recently fired 55 of its staff and closed its New York office. It seems the view from the hill is that anime is definitely on its way out (to no one's tears?).
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I like owning actual physical media. Bandai Entertainment currently has the second season of Haruhi Suzumiya in the pipeline. If that doesn't sell enough to be profitable, they're going to close their North American branch by the end of the year, according to Bang Zoom! Entertainments president.
So basically distantmantra and I will be fucked if we ever want to own new mecha anime DVDs at non-rape prices.
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i need blu ray box sets if i am going to support animu and so far there is no darker than black blu ray box in america.
not my problem.
edit: haruhi 2nd season shouldn't be allowed to sell, troll shit.
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I like owning physical media too, but I got no money so I pull a Mupepe.
Gotcha. :(
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Eh I don't care, its still successful in Japan right?
Aren't the prices ridiculous though?
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Eh I don't care, its still successful in Japan right?
Aren't the prices ridiculous though?
Yes, the Gundam Unicorn OAV was $40 for less than an hour of anime.
Wrath doesn't care though, since he's just going to download them.
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let's say this old geezer's wish came true and people stopped downloading anime. They would just go back to that old, outdated and consumer hostile business model that they reveled in (4 episodes per dvd release, etc).
It's not on the consumer to keep a company alive. If your consumers illegally obtain the product you're selling, maybe you need to re-think your business strategy?
:japancry
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It's not on the consumer to keep a company alive. If your consumers illegally obtain the product you're selling, maybe you need to re-think your business strategy?
:japancry
don't be in the entertainment industry? Don't get me wrong, I couldn't possibly criticize somebody for pirating stuff but don't act like it's your right.
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You pirate stuff, nintenho? Kind of surprising, considering your profession. :-\
I would say that's the part I find annoying - nerdlingers pretending like they have a "right" to download movies and TV shows because they "can't afford it" (more like they don't wanna spend the money on entertainment and want to pretend like it's their inalienable right to have it for free).
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It's not on the consumer to keep a company alive. If your consumers illegally obtain the product you're selling, maybe you need to re-think your business strategy?
:japancry
don't be in the entertainment industry? Don't get me wrong, I couldn't possibly criticize somebody for pirating stuff but don't act like it's your right.
I'm not saying it's a right, I'm saying it's the reality of the situation. People feel entitled to everything these days, and if you as a business can't adapt you're pretty much fucked cus there's no changing the rampant narcissistic self-importance that's a huge part of today's youth culture.
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well that makes sense yeah, it's just hard to imagine any reasonable strategy to get their profits up.
And ichi, I don't have a job and I'm not pursuing any type of entertainment career.
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PLEASE KEEP STEALING ANIME
THEN AFTER IT DIES STERILIZE YOURSELF SO THIS DISEASE ISN'T PASSED ON TO FUTURE GENERATIONS
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Triumph, you're so badass. :heartbeat
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...and less and less stuff will be in English, because it’s just not worth the cost of dubbing it.
:rofl
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Isn't the reason we're seeing so much moe these last few years that only the hardest of uguu~ weeaboos are the only ones left supporting the industry in terms of day one purchasing? I suppose when they over saturate the uguu~ market we're probably going to see faaaar less shows each season. How is the OVA market doing in japan? maybe they can try to salvage themselves by going fully OVA or something close to that...
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OVA market basically doesn't exist anymore in Japan.
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most tv shows nowadays have dvd only specials/ovas though.
stealing incomplete tv shows. :fbm
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What's the word on anime switching over to digital distribution? I'd pay a fair amount of of fish money for episodes of stuff I never got around to buying on DVD, especially if it were presented in HD. Is it just not worth it based on the pirate to legit consumer ratio or like too much weird loli shit that would turn people away from the good stuff or what?
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SUGGESTION: New pricing model outside of "3 episodes for 27 dollars!". Maybe that'd help.
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OVA market basically doesn't exist anymore in Japan.
That's too bad. I don't really watch that much anime anymore, but I would want the market to be viable cus there's always a couple of shows every odd year that interests me. Like, not too long ago there was a show called Mitchiko & Hatchin that was really cool but it was never localized to western markets. Not even in a dvd release with subs. :(
I tend to check out the listings on gaf each season to see if there is a show on the level of Planetes or something, but it's usually kinder-gardeners and breast milk drinking warriors. :-\
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OVA market basically doesn't exist anymore in Japan.
That's too bad. I don't really watch that much anime anymore, but I would want the market to be viable cus there's always a couple of shows every odd year that interests me. Like, not too long ago there was a show called Mitchiko & Hatchin that was really cool but it was never localized to western markets. Not even in a dvd release with subs. :(
I tend to check out the listings on gaf each season to see if there is a show on the level of Planetes or something, but it's usually kinder-gardeners and breast milk drinking warriors. :-\
Clearly this is why the industry is failing, because I can't access this easily enough without resorting to some sort of piracy!
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SUGGESTION: New pricing model outside of "3 episodes for 27 dollars!". Maybe that'd help.
BAM
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Whatever hastens the death of anime is fine by me.
Maybe anime at one time had potential but it is now dominated by big tittied lolis and fanwank with fannerds who hug their jizz caked love pillows in delight when the next insipid harem nerdime is announced.
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SUGGESTION: New pricing model outside of "3 episodes for 27 dollars!". Maybe that'd help.
Whatever hastens the death of anime is fine by me.
Maybe anime at one time had potential but it is now dominated by big tittied lolis and fanwank with fannerds who hug their jizz caked love pillows in delight when the next insipid harem nerdime is announced.
combine these things.
That shit is stupidly expensive and stigmatized for good reason. There are no quality shows that have widespread appeal...it's all tweeny witches
I can't say I feel this guy's plea for help. They need alternate streams of revenue. I'm sure the Japanese branches of these companies have insanely rigid rules about licensing though, which is probably at the root of this crisis. They'll either sell $30 4 episode DVDs or nothing at all.
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So then what's the real issue here? Do Japanese animation studios pump out moe after moe after moe to saturate - what I always assumed was - a niche market or do western production companies simply decide to publish that crap? I don't have my finger on the heartbeat of the anime world, but I can't remember when the last time was that something really good came out on either side of the ocean.
Before someone restates the obvious, I get the whole piracy issue and that stealing crap is still stealing. I'm more curious what the current state of anime "quality" is these days.
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:violin
*Downloads the latest fma episode*
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i only watch one piece these days, and that's free (subbed, even!) on the web and hulu from funimation itself
like the folks said, it's mostly harem and moe shit these days, so fuck it. occasionally we get a shonen or space series that isn't total wank, but that's a once-every-three-years event. the preznit of bang zoom needs to understand that playing on the morals of animasturbators is a losing proposition.
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they need to start packing in things like love pilowcases (change to a new girl every week! - wait, this is filthy anime tards - change to a new girl every six months!) and fleshlights with googly loli eyes glued to the top, you can't pirate that shit
or personalized gimmicks, like an anime tard could pay to have his name dubbed in as replacement for whatever name the subteen is squealing when getting stabbed in the crotch by 800 tentacles at once
instant sales recovery
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What's the word on anime switching over to digital distribution? I'd pay a fair amount of of fish money for episodes of stuff I never got around to buying on DVD, especially if it were presented in HD. Is it just not worth it based on the pirate to legit consumer ratio or like too much weird loli shit that would turn people away from the good stuff or what?
there is a site called crunchyroll that streams anime within a reasonable timeframe of it airing in japan with english subs, they seem moderately successful so far, funimation streams dubs of their stuff online for free i think. And hulu has some stuff as well.
anyway the topic at hand, I dont buy the whining about pirating anime hurts people, it doesn't hurt the Japanese creators who usually don't consider America in their audience/budget. Hurting companies that buy American rights and add soulless dubs to their overpriced/slowly released dvds? Sure I can see that, but its up to them to factor in the numbers and choose to take the risk.
I like Bang Zoom and some english dub actors but dont buy the sob story
Fansubbers do a faster and usually better job, for free. Personally I can live without physical media for 90% of the shows out there. I'm not going to rewatch something unless its really, really up there in quality which nowadays is pretty rare.
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WHERE'S MY DARKER THAN BLACK BLU RAY BOX SET? HUH? HUH? WHERE'S MY MICHIKO AND HATCHIN BLU RAY BOX SET? HUH? HUH? TELL ME DAMMIT!
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WHERE'S MY DARKER THAN BLACK BLU RAY BOX SET?
in your sisters pants
and eventually yours
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I've stopped downloading anime only because there isn't shit new worth watching.
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WHERE'S MY DARKER THAN BLACK BLU RAY BOX SET?
in your sisters pants
and eventually yours
I have no idea what you're talking about.
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I only watch One Piece these days and Funimation offers that for FREE, subbed within the hour of Japanese release, released on the official site.
And I've been supporting One Piece dvds and manga.
I don't give a fuck.
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manga > anime
I SUPPORT MANGA. I BOUGHT THE RECENT TEZUKA RELEASES, I BOUGHT THE 800 PAGE TATSUMI BIOGRAPHY.
Keep manga! MANGAMANGAMANGA!
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:bow
:bow
:bow
:heartbeat
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Comics>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>manga :japancry
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Manga are comics. ???
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If anime cared so much why doesn't it go on tour lolol
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I love how the anime industry acts like piracy is the only reason ever for this downfall. Oversaturation, prices, banking too much on the premise that people will buy this shit just 'cuz it's anime, importing just any ol' thang like Super Chocolate Strawberry Princess Jam;etc had nothing to do with it. It was all those filthy pirates!!! I think Funi got it right: release episodes the day they come out in Japan. It's a shame that we could only do this recently due to web video technology, thus making it too late for many companies to attempt recovery, but hey...that's capitalism. /Chris Redfield
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
i knew id have to spell this one out
WHERE'S MY DARKER THAN BLACK BLU RAY BOX SET?
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Yea Himu is right. Piracy is speeding up the death, but the companies made their own bed. Looks like it's time to change the business model, but they'd rather sit around and complain alongside music label execs. The market moved whether they like it or not. Embracing Hulu and digital distribution seems like the way to go.
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It's already been discussed so I'll just re-iterate.
A.) Appealing to a wider and broader audience because of a wider and broader subject matter would help.
B.) Having DVD's price properly would help.
C.) Actually putting out really good stuff like at certain times in the past would help. Anime in a general sense has been awful to me for a long time.
The guy who wrote the letter has a point but its a point that isn't relevant to how actual people behave. If your target market is pretty much young people who have a lack of income but who are computer savvy and can get the same material for free, you aren't going to change that behavior by lecturing them on morality. Because lots of people believe it is more moral to keep what money they have in their pocket
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Anime is too fucking expensive and varies too much in quality to buy without first having seen it. But then the problem is that hardly anything gets aired on tv, so the only real way to test it is to torrent it.
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That too.
But you poor high school and college students don't have MORAL obligations to support our industry?! HOW COULD YOU. :maf
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The fact that it often takes a year or more for a series to make it from Japan to America is probably at least as big as piracy in killing American distributors. I can wait a few days and download an HD sub for free or I can wait 18 months to pick up a 480i DVD set for $60+ with no special features and MAYBE a boring dub. And they're SHOCKED that people picked the former!
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finally read the op
die anime DIE
dieeeeeeeeeeeee
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And shit like this bugs me http://www.amazon.ca/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_i_0?rh=i%3Advd%2Ck%3Aflcl&keywords=flcl&ie=UTF8&qid=1274029613
2 fucking episodes per DVD? give me a fucking break.
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And shit like this bugs me http://www.amazon.ca/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_i_0?rh=i%3Advd%2Ck%3Aflcl&keywords=flcl&ie=UTF8&qid=1274029613
2 fucking episodes per DVD? give me a fucking break.
I BOUGHT THOSE AT 30 BUCKS A POP
90 bucks for flcl
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And shit like this bugs me http://www.amazon.ca/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_i_0?rh=i%3Advd%2Ck%3Aflcl&keywords=flcl&ie=UTF8&qid=1274029613
2 fucking episodes per DVD? give me a fucking break.
It's hardly a common thing anymore.
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SUre, it's not. But FLCL came out on dvd when this wasn't a common thing anymore. Most shows offered 4-5 eps a dvd and here comes FLCL with 2 eps per dvd and it's a fucking 6 ep show.
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And shit like this bugs me http://www.amazon.ca/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_i_0?rh=i%3Advd%2Ck%3Aflcl&keywords=flcl&ie=UTF8&qid=1274029613
2 fucking episodes per DVD? give me a fucking break.
I BOUGHT THOSE AT 30 BUCKS A POP
90 bucks for flcl
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU that's complete bullshit
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SUre, it's not. But FLCL came out on dvd when this wasn't a common thing anymore. Most shows offered 4-5 eps a dvd and here comes FLCL with 2 eps per dvd and it's a fucking 6 ep show.
Well, if it makes you feel any better, Synch Point went out of business not long after releasing FLCL.
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I know. I pissed on their corpse.
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himuro you should check out manga by inio asano, he has some nice english translated stuff
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Himuro, go watch Baccano & Tatami Galaxy.
Eh I don't care, its still successful in Japan right?
It's not.
Anime is doomed unless they can get digital distro working. With shows like Tatami Galaxy and House of Five Leaves (best two shows this year) available legitimately on funimations site for streaming, I don't think many people are bothering to pirate it. If the ads from doing this are enough to support the costs of the show then I think Japan has found their solution (although they need to stream them on the Japan-side as well). If that's not enough income...well they're fucked.
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Wasn't I the person who *suggested* you Baccano? I distinctly recall you saying,":bow Himuro was right about Baccano!"
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eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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What is Tatami Galaxy? What about the anime from the Baccano folks? I still haven't watched that. Is Funimation offering that via streaming?
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What is Tatami Galaxy?
An awesome show.
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Didn't fansubs provide a whole lot more exposure for anime. Before what you'd see a few shows on Toonami or Adult Swim, or butchered shows on other networks, but I don't remember anime coming as fast to America as it did before fansubs took off.
I tried crunchy roll in the past and it seemed to have bad quality and limited featured in hopes of gaining subscribers. I don't know if they have improved or if there are other solutions now, but if there was a proper Hulu for anime, I don't think there will be much reason to pirate. Hulu has the show up less than a day after it airs on TV at good quality. I understand there is more to providing anime like translating and licensing issues, but it seems like downloading anime is more convenient and better quality.
For DVD sales, I buy anime on DVD/bluray if I like it regardless of price. I bought Gundam Unicorn on blu-ray and it was one episode for like $30-some (right now going for close to $50). Wow, that's expensive..what the fuck. anyway, yeah. Even with something like Doctor Who, I own all the DVD sets. But I don't buy the dvds for every anime I watch. It always sounds like when people complain about anime piracy, they think all these people were potential DVD buyers. Again, provide a proper Hulu like service that can match the convenience and quality of fansubs and I think that could help.
there is also the problem of focusing on the popular shows, which are generally things like Naruto or filthy uguu cartoons. most new anime is trash.
wow, this tatami galaxy show is on hulu. this is very convenient. I will check it out :dur
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checking out crunchyroll briefly, it seems like it is all membership based. pay for early access to episodes, 480p or 720p. seems like $100 a year.
hulu seems fairly current and good, though. One episode behind on Naruto.
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the best anime, legend of the galactic heroes isn't licensed anyway.
fansubs +100.
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http://www.btmon.com/Other/Unsorted/Bastard_Ankoku_no_Hakai_Kami.torrent.html
Dual Audio as well.
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I do agree that the North American anime industry has been dying for a long time now after they totally oversaturated the market with anything and everything. However, Bandai responded to Bang Zoom's rant a while back, actually. Bang Zoom is just pissy because of many things getting released sub-only and they're not getting any work.
I will buy things on Blu-ray, but few companies are interested in doing so. If Bandai Ent. would actually put out the Gundam movies (F-91, CCA), Gundam 00 and Geass on Blu-ray, I'd gladly give them money. I'm done with getting things on DVD when I know that HD masters exist. Until then, they'll get my money for the quarterly Gundam UC Blu-ray volume, and Funimation will get the rest of my anime money because they actually know how to release things on Blu-ray. DVD-only releases can suck it.
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Anime is doomed unless they can get digital distro working. With shows like Tatami Galaxy and House of Five Leaves (best two shows this year) available legitimately on funimations site for streaming, I don't think many people are bothering to pirate it. If the ads from doing this are enough to support the costs of the show then I think Japan has found their solution (although they need to stream them on the Japan-side as well). If that's not enough income...well they're fucked.
Is this why I haven't been able to find House of Five Leaves torrents? I can't access funimation streams or hulu since that's all america and I'm in scandinavia, the region that absolutely no one bothers with on the internet. :'(
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Anime is doomed unless they can get digital distro working. With shows like Tatami Galaxy and House of Five Leaves (best two shows this year) available legitimately on funimations site for streaming, I don't think many people are bothering to pirate it. If the ads from doing this are enough to support the costs of the show then I think Japan has found their solution (although they need to stream them on the Japan-side as well). If that's not enough income...well they're fucked.
Is this why I haven't been able to find House of Five Leaves torrents? I can't access funimation streams or hulu since that's all america and I'm in scandinavia, the region that absolutely no one bothers with on the internet. :'(
pm'd
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finally read the op
die anime DIE
dieeeeeeeeeeeee
This guy knows what's up
*hi five*
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I really think Triumph would like HeartCatch PreCure. Seems like his type of show.
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for me, anime is like punk music in that there's a whole shitload of it and about 98% is crap
the difference is that punk music knows its cheap and sells itself cheap, while anime prices itself like its some elegant media for the connoisseur
the second problem is that media delivery and where people expect to get their media has changed and businesses don't want to change
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I do agree that the North American anime industry has been dying for a long time now after they totally oversaturated the market with anything and everything. However, Bandai responded to Bang Zoom's rant a while back, actually. Bang Zoom is just pissy because of many things getting released sub-only and they're not getting any work.
Funimation seems to be doing just fine as well. I haven't looked at their financials or anything, but they add several new shows every few months.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-05-15/funimation-adds-rosario+vampire-anime-more (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-05-15/funimation-adds-rosario+vampire-anime-more)
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I do agree that the North American anime industry has been dying for a long time now after they totally oversaturated the market with anything and everything. However, Bandai responded to Bang Zoom's rant a while back, actually. Bang Zoom is just pissy because of many things getting released sub-only and they're not getting any work.
Funimation seems to be doing just fine as well. I haven't looked at their financials or anything, but they add several new shows every few months.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-05-15/funimation-adds-rosario+vampire-anime-more (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-05-15/funimation-adds-rosario+vampire-anime-more)
Yep, Funimation is doing pretty well. They also do their dubs in-house.
I'm not saying that the anime industry in America is doing well or anything, but the big reason for Bang Zoom!'s whiny rant is because they're not getting steady work doing dubs.
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I like Bang Zoom and some english dub actors but dont buy the sob story
Yeah, he was just making shit up when he mentioned all those companies that went out of business in the last couple of years. :lol
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Just read the rest of the thread. Amazing how an anti-piracy letter led to people here asking each other where they can pirate their favorite shows.
smh at you people
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I like Bang Zoom and some english dub actors but dont buy the sob story
Yeah, he was just making shit up when he mentioned all those companies that went out of business in the last couple of years. :lol
No, but they're playing a bit loose with the facts.
Bandia dumped a bunch of their employees because the company as a whole was seeing huge losses, CPM has been nonexistent for nearly a decade, and ADV got screwed when one of their major licensors pulled out [they quickly reemerged as a set of five companies that took over most of ADV's assets and operations].
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ITT: ichi going full japafag.
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Make more love pillows.
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ITT: ichi going full japafag.
I have lived in Japan for five years. I went full Japafag a long, long time ago.
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Just read the rest of the thread. Amazing how an anti-piracy letter led to people here asking each other where they can pirate their favorite shows.
smh at you people
:lol :lol :lol
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I'm against piracy 100%, but that's not the only problem the North American anime industry is dealing with currently.
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It's certainly the biggest one, though.
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Ichi what was the last anime that you BOUGHT?
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Just last month, I bought Gundam 00 Season 1 part 2 and 3, and Gundam 00 Season 2 part 1. I also bought the Japanese DVD release of Gundam Unicorn Vol. 1.
I do my part, pirate.
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I've recently purchased:
Gundam Unicorn Volume 1 (blu-ray)
Evangelion 1.11 (blu-ray)
Eureka Seven: Good night, sleep tight, young lovers (blu-ray)
Ponyo (blu-ray)
If Bandai Ent. would release Geass and Gundam 00 on blu-ray, I'd buy them DAY ONE.
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I haven't bought in a while, but I rent a lot of anime through Netflix.
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I'm planning on picking up Funimation's blu-ray release of Eden of the East in September and the second volume of Gundam Unicorn on blu-ray. Other than that, there's nothing coming that really interests me.
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I really can't watch anime. Is Dragon Ball Z anime? Then that's the only anime I've watched.
I also tried to watch Naruto, Cowboy Bebpob and Bleach. But stopped watching after 10 episoded because they were gay.
I love anime movies like Spirited Away and Ponyo, though.
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If you thought cowboy bebop was gay after 10 episodes then you are as queer as your cousin is.
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Cowboy Bebop must be the most overrated thing on the internet, I can never make it for more than 11 episodes.
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bad taste confirmed
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Cowboy Bebop must be the most overrated thing on the internet, I can never make it for more than 11 episodes.
So do you prefer Himu sized cocks in your butt or just average sized ones?
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If you thought cowboy bebop was gay after 10 episodes then you are as queer as your cousin is.
Sarcasm, maybe? His post is basically the same as every other "I hate all anime because it's gay even Cowboy Bebop, except Miyazaki and Dragon Ball" post out there.
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I read nerdy books and listen to nerdy music but I've never been interested in anime at all. Anime watchers/producers as a whole don't seem to realize that their products are almost completely uninteresting to people who aren't already hardcore fans. No wonder they're failing.
One of the problems is that there's a lot of anime out there and most of it is really generic and pretty much a carbon copy of everything else. It makes it hard for people that aren't familiar with anime to know what's good and what isn't without digging through a heap of trash first.
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I like some anime, but I still think it's only entertaining to a small portion of the population. I have no delusions that it will ever be accepted by the masses.
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If you thought cowboy bebop was gay after 10 episodes then you are as queer as your cousin is.
Sarcasm, maybe? His post is basically the same as every other "I hate all anime because it's gay even Cowboy Bebop, except Miyazaki and Dragon Ball" post out there.
Oh, I didn't know Spirited Away and Ponyo had the same director. Now I'll need to check out his other movies, too.
And I also liked Pokemon in the past btw.
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whats with these piracy links man. you know the rules. if you are stupid enough to not find it, you dont deserve it.
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my bad
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If you thought cowboy bebop was gay after 10 episodes then you are as queer as your cousin is.
Sarcasm, maybe? His post is basically the same as every other "I hate all anime because it's gay even Cowboy Bebop, except Miyazaki and Dragon Ball" post out there.
Oh, I didn't know Spirited Away and Ponyo had the same director. Now I'll need to check out his other movies, too.
And I also liked Pokemon in the past btw.
I still can't tell if you're serious or not. :-\
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I remember seeing pictures of CCA bluray a few years back and it still isn't out in America :'(
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:violin
*Downloads the latest fma episode*
This
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Just last month, I bought Gundam 00 Season 1 part 2 and 3, and Gundam 00 Season 2 part 1.
I do my part, pirate.
you did well by buying the only good gundam.
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Y'all need to be watching Tatami Galaxy and House of Five Leaves.
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Just last month, I bought Gundam 00 Season 1 part 2 and 3, and Gundam 00 Season 2 part 1.
I do my part, pirate.
you did well by buying the only good gundam.
I own all the Gundam series released on DVD in the US, including MS Igloo. I'm actually a more hardcore Gundam fan than Mr. Gundam himself. :lol
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Just last month, I bought Gundam 00 Season 1 part 2 and 3, and Gundam 00 Season 2 part 1.
I do my part, pirate.
you did well by buying the only good gundam.
I own all the Gundam series released on DVD in the US, including MS Igloo. I'm actually a more hardcore Gundam fan than Mr. Gundam himself. :lol
I wouldn't argue that point. I was a poor graduate student when Igloo came out, and it's now out of print and uber expensive.
I remember seeing pictures of CCA bluray a few years back and it still isn't out in America :'(
I was really tempted to buy it in Japan, but I decided against it.
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There is some good anime out there, too bad I have to wade through shit to get it.
WTF do you care? It's free for you, you can just delete it if you don't like it.
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There is some good anime out there, too bad I have to wade through shit to get it.
WTF do you care? It's free for you, you can just delete it if you don't like it.
:lol Oh Ichi why are you mad?
And yeah if its like 30$ dollars for 3 episodes then fuck it. Although I'd love to buy every Captain Majid episode ever made, same with DBZ.
Because you said your dad was a millionaire and here you are whining about how you don't have money to buy anime? Go dig a fucking oil well in your backyard and buy a few DVD box sets with the proceeds, dude.
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That all sounds like a bunch of cheap excuses to keep stealing, to me.
Bubububu my mom and my bro and my sis and my dad is a cheapskate even though he's a fucking millionaire. ::)
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If I can't afford it, I do without. I don't pirate, though I've been tempted to. I can say that with 100% honesty.
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Holy fuck, 15,000 dollars a fucking MONTH. Jesus titty fucking Mohammed in a manger. And you can't be asked to buy some fucking DVDs? Even if you claim you're "not that interested in it", that's not stopping you from downloading shit, right? So there IS some interest.
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I do download a lot, I admit. But most of what I download is what is considered prohibited and forbidden in Saudi Arabia. I can't even have it shipped from amazon since the religious police take it and don't even pay us back(had a lot of problems with that in the past).
Then maybe you should consider armed revolution to get rid of the repressive Saudi tyranny?
I believe the term is "regime change." :rock
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Are you leaving Saudi Arabia forever?
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But how will you make a living? And where will you go?
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I just wanted to respond to the letter...
From the desk of the President of Bang Zoom! Entertainment, Eric P. Sherman:
Who the fuck is "Bang Zoom!"? Ah, they specialize in dubbing. So I already don't care!
If people don’t resist the urge to get their fix illegally, the entire industry is about to fizzle out. It won’t be a big dramatic change at this point. Last year we saw Bandai fire 90% of their staff on one Monday in January, and two years ago we saw Geneon (neé Pioneer) shut their doors and auction off their wares to the highest bidder. CPM died a slow, painful death. And ADV fell hard and fast, the way mighty giants will.
Yup, fansubs are killing off the American market. It's easy to see why when it takes forever for licensed titles to make it out here and they are available as fansubs almost immediately after airing in Japan.
But from here on, it won’t be so exciting. Japan is already suffering and struggling to bring out quality titles. They can’t rely on everything being picked up by US distributors anymore. And little by little, it just won’t be here anymore.[/b]
And this isn't a HUGE part of the problem? Hey, maybe if they stopped making shitty shows and releasing nothing but moe moe uguuuuuu~, things might pick up a bit!
You can’t find much anime at Best Buy now. In fact, where can you find it for sale? Think about that.
Best Buy, the local comic book store, online on places like Amazon...basically the same places that have always sold this stuff. Oh, and Best Buy's prices are way too high. Only an idiot would buy a new release there. I have seen new sets come out for $80 at Best Buy that are $40 on Amazon.
There are fewer new titles coming out, and less and less stuff will be in English, because it’s just not worth the cost of dubbing it.
So don't dub it. If you're not able to get a television deal, who fucking cares? Release it subbed...wouldn't you be saving money and be able to release stuff faster this way?
Oh, right-- your company doesn't bring stuff out, all you do is voice work. No wonder "u mad."
Anime is going to die.
No, I think you mean "overpriced American anime releases are going to stop being released, and nobody is going to care because they are downloading/streaming everything anyway!"
Unless YOU change. Right now. Stop stealing. If you have committed theft, robbery, shop-lifting, or just “downloading some stuff through torrent reactor,” then just stop doing it — now. You probably wouldn’t go into a supermarket and put a package of swiss cheese under your shirt and walk out without paying. Nor would you walk into Best Buy and try to walk out with Guitar Hero, bypassing the cash register. Why? Is it because you might get caught? Or are there other issues, such as standards of morality, that dictate how you live your life.
So I'm "stealing" if I watch One Piece online, which Funimation allows? Am I "stealing" if I watch a show that was aired for free on Japanese television via the internet? Eric P. Sherman has never borrowed a VHS tape from somebody or a DVD-R of some show he missed?
The net, for all it’s charms, is also a dark and dangerous place. When you’re navigating it, you need to ask yourself this question: Is this right, just because it is so easy? You need to understand that quality entertainment costs a lot to create. And if there is no one paying for this content, it just won’t be made anymore. If no one bought tickets to a Lady Ga Ga show, she would not do the tour. That’s just how it works. For some reason, people don’t mind stealing their anime. I’m here to tell you flat out: This is wrong. You are doing something bad. And you need to stop it.
You'd have something here if 95% of everything being streamed/offered for download were all DVDs/blu-rays, but they're not. They're television episodes. Get with the times and change. Offer these episodes in high quality at competitive prices online. Bring out related merchandise for them. Fanboys can't steal animu figures, posters, model kits, otaku food, and titty mousepads. Release TV series on DVD/blu-ray at lower prices. $40 works for me, not $80.
I’m sure that some of you reading this will laugh, close this window, and go download some more torrents. Why not? Who’s going to know? Who’s going to catch you?
Yeah, pretty much!
I think this bears repetition, so I’ll say it again: Not getting caught does not make what you are doing right. And I am pretty sure it doesn’t make you feel good about yourself. What you are doing is not only illegal, it is actually hurting many people. From the artists and creators, to the voice actors in the studios — all working to put food on their tables for their families. You can’t see them, and you can’t see the immediate results of your actions. But believe me, you are hurting people.
You know what I think is hurting people? The laughably-low wages that people in the anime industry make in Japan. You can make more money FLIPPING BURGERS AT MCDONALD'S than drawing animation, for fuck's sake.
If what I’m saying resonates with you, then consider this a wake up call. A call to immediate and profound action. It’s very easy to do. You should support anime if you love it, by paying for it.
Oh, I do. I do buy the shows/movies I like. Or rather, I would if there were any recent shows/movies that I thought were worth buying! The ones I like, BTW? THEY AREN'T AVAILABLE FOR ME TO BUY.
Do the right thing. Plain and simple. Because if you don’t, I can guarantee you that this time next year, Bang Zoom won’t be bringing you anymore English language versions of it.
Nobody cares.
To all of those who support anime: a heartfelt thank you from all of us at the studio.
http://goanimetv.com/?p=668
An addendum from me: Viz recently fired 55 of its staff and closed its New York office. It seems the view from the hill is that anime is definitely on its way out (to no one's tears?).
If anime is on the way out, it goes further than just nerds downloading shows off the internet. There are a lot of other factors that need to be looked at. Japan's anime industry is in dire need of a wake-up call.
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You do know that Americans pretty much hate all immigrants nowadays, right? Not just hispanic ones? In fact, after the Times Square attempted bombing, I think you are pretty much fucked if you are thinking of going to the US.
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Bandai Entertainment currently has the second season of Haruhi Suzumiya in the pipeline. If that doesn't sell enough to be profitable, they're going to close their North American branch by the end of the year, according to Bang Zoom! Entertainments president.
Maybe Bandai Entertainment shouldn't be putting everything they have on Haruhi. Wasn't the second season universally panned by Japanese otaku?
I like some anime, but I still think it's only entertaining to a small portion of the population. I have no delusions that it will ever be accepted by the masses.
Right. Anime (in America) has had its day in the sun. It was always a fad that peaked in the late 90s/early 2000s with the likes of Dragonball Z and Gundam Wing. Now it's back to being a smaller-scale fanboy attraction. Still much more popular than it was before the anime boom started in the mid-90s, but smaller-scale nonetheless. And I still do believe the biggest problem with anime now is that most of it sucks. There's tons and tons of manga out there to cull source material from, but the industry is stuck making uguuu shows because that's what the otaku will buy. It's really messed up when the selling points for a lot of DVD/blu-ray releases are some nudity and more panty shots.
The only way these anime companies are going to survive here is if they all band together to make an iTunes-like service, where you can purchase shows online for a buck or two. I have never used Crunchyroll before; is this how they operate?
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Himu made a GAF thread. Here's the first few replies:
BangZoom would say that, but from what I understand, there work seems to be fairly sub-standard. Blaming this entity know as the 'business as a whole' seems like a scapegoat manoeuvre to try and cover up for their own failings.
*yawn*
piracy sure is a convenient scapegoat for your shitty sales numbers, huh?
I remember reading about this some time ago, and people on other forums were talking about how the CEO is pissed off cause his company isn't getting anymore dubbing work cause anime companies are doing the dubbing themselves. So I don't know if he is the right person to listen to about the future.
Also shouldn't this be more about anime dubs rather than anime itself?
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Link to the GAF thread, please.
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Here's the link, Ichi. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=395550
Also:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2010-05-03/crunchyroll-sees-unprecedented-growth-in-q1-2010
Crunchyroll Sees Unprecedented Growth in Q1 2010
Number One Anime Website Crunchyroll.com Sees Great Opportunities in Helping Traditional Media Companies Grow Audiences and Build Businesses Online
San Francisco, Calif. (May 3, 2010) – Crunchyroll, Inc., reported today an over 40% compounded quarter on quarter revenue growth for the last five quarters. Q1 2010 revenue experienced over 250% growth, against the same quarter last year. Crunchyroll's revenue is driven by the ‘freemium’ business model made up of advertising-supported and subscription streaming as well as virtual goods, monetizing professionally produced content through direct relationships with Japanese licensors and broadcasters.
“With over 5.5 million unique visitors serving 21.8 million video views and over 100 million pageviews in the month of March, Crunchyroll is the most engaged community for anime in the world. We are able to deliver a complete cross-platform experience through our website, branded social applications—including the Naruto Shippūden Official Facebook Application—set-top box products like Boxee and the Crunchyroll iPhone iPad application. Crunchyroll is at the forefront of building online audience and engagement around professional content with our in-house video, social, mobile and device experiences,” said James Lin, VP of Product.
According to comScore data, during the six month period leading into March 2010 (since Sept 2009), Crunchyroll realized 25% growth in unique US visitors, while Funimation saw 7% growth in US visitors during the same period. According to Quantcast analytics, over the last 30 days, Crunchyroll reached 1,336,000 unique US visitors, while Funimation recorded 157,400 US visitors. Both destinations are measured directly by Quantcast.
“Creating an Internet presence is about cultivating a two-way relationship with the user; the old model of neglecting content on one-way video site has become less and less effective.” said Vince Shortino, Representative Director of Crunchyroll's Japan office. “Through our expertise in building online engagement, we look forward to working with more traditional media companies that want to reach their core audiences, grow revenue, and maximize shareholder value.”
“Over one year ago, we pioneered the ‘freemium’ content business model, which balances advertising with subscription revenue. Today, anime is becoming mainstream and Crunchyroll brings more episodes of anime to US audiences than any other company,” said Kun Gao, CEO of Crunchyroll. “Licensors are leveraging our platform to not only market and promote their brands, but to create an online business. We've figured out how to build audiences and monetize professional content online and welcome the opportunity to work with any content partners, to help grow their internet businesses, in this period of great industry transition.”
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Goddamn Himu. Doesn't just steal anime, steals my thread ideas too. Hope he burns in the Muslim equivalent of Hell, to no one's tears.
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HAHA EAT IT
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I'm mostly just mad because it's so much bigger than this thread. :lol
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Quality > Quantity
:smug
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we have a lot of good discussion in that thread :)
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The last time I went to the states(2006) I wanted to buy the complete Evangelion series on dvd, then I saw that each disc costed $30 fucking dollars and only had 3 episodes each and the extras where fucking artwork, I found an used one for $10 and thats the only anime dvd I own.
These companies can go all fuck themselves for all I care.
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This came out in 2005:
http://www.amazon.com/Neon-Genesis-Evangelion-Platinum-Collection/dp/B000767QTA/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1274108270&sr=8-6 (http://www.amazon.com/Neon-Genesis-Evangelion-Platinum-Collection/dp/B000767QTA/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1274108270&sr=8-6)
And this came out back in 2002:
http://www.amazon.com/Neon-Genesis-Evangelion-Perfect-Collection/dp/B0000639E0/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1274108270&sr=8-12 (http://www.amazon.com/Neon-Genesis-Evangelion-Perfect-Collection/dp/B0000639E0/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1274108270&sr=8-12)
The set from 2002 was the more expensive of the two and I don't think any place carried it for more than $100.
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For every PC game you stole I shall steal 10 anime *seasons* :punch
And just like PC games, you wont watch it :lol