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Title: Dragon Quest IX gets released in two week? who's excited?
Post by: magus on June 27, 2010, 01:20:33 PM
not me! :smug













in all seriousness i dislike job system and dragon quest has been hit and miss for me but this looks like a real meaty game so maybe it will be cool?
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Post by: Beezy on June 27, 2010, 01:23:00 PM
eh

I'll try it.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 27, 2010, 01:29:26 PM
Like you're going to wait until it releases.  More like "releases."
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 27, 2010, 01:30:12 PM
Buying this day one.
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Post by: Third on June 27, 2010, 01:31:15 PM
Not me. Going from DQVIII to IX is a huge downgrade thanks to the shitty DS hardware. Not going to waste my time with this.
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Post by: magus on June 27, 2010, 01:40:01 PM
Like you're going to wait until it releases.  More like "releases."

maybe it will even leak a week sooner :teehee

Not me. Going from DQVIII to IX is a huge downgrade thanks to the shitty DS hardware. Not going to waste my time with this.

oh come on,that's such a shitty reason! >:(
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Post by: Smooth Groove on June 27, 2010, 02:02:43 PM
No, DQ8, the only DQ I've ever played, was boring and tedious.  I'll still give it a try since there isn't much to play on DS but my expectations aren't high. 
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Post by: tiesto on June 27, 2010, 02:04:53 PM
Not me. Going from DQVIII to IX is a huge downgrade thanks to the shitty DS hardware. Not going to waste my time with this.

Yeah, because DQ games are always about cutting edge graphics...
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Post by: Third on June 27, 2010, 02:07:46 PM
Ehh I tried to play the DQ remakes on the DS and I almost died of boredom. And DQIX looks like those messes. So yep, 100% avoiding this.

And I loved DQVIII. Such a shame they had to use 90' hardware for DQIX. Oh well..
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Post by: magus on June 27, 2010, 02:08:59 PM
see? the fact that you think they are boring i can accept,but not playing it because it doesn't look like a cellshaded wonder anymore is stupid! >:(
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Post by: Smooth Groove on June 27, 2010, 02:12:33 PM
except Third is bored solely because of the graphics
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Post by: Third on June 27, 2010, 02:13:32 PM
Sorry, but my standards are higher. When I want to play a sequel, I want it to be better on all fronts. And DQIX fails.
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Post by: Beezy on June 27, 2010, 02:16:13 PM
Sorry, but my standards are higher. When I want to play a sequel, I want it to be better on all fronts. And DQIX fails.

I'm sure most people felt the same before handhelds got popular.
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Post by: Third on June 27, 2010, 02:22:00 PM
Yeah, that's why I'm not playing Peace Walker. When I heard it was MGS5, I was mad.
But good thing that most sequels I'm interested in are console games.
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Post by: Rman on June 27, 2010, 02:22:06 PM
Buying this day one.
Same.  Love DQ.
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Post by: Himu on June 27, 2010, 04:33:52 PM
Day one. Worried about the game's quality due to import impressions. Eve Duckroll hasn't finished it yet and Aeana had trouble finishing it.
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Post by: Diunx on June 27, 2010, 05:22:37 PM
May pirate it, I enjoyed DQ8 even with its archaic battle system and random encounters bullshit, but I'm not sure if I want to sink in another 100 hours on another jrpg especially one with ugly ds graphics.
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Post by: Himu on June 27, 2010, 05:26:33 PM
DQ9 is not as long as DQ7 or 8. It's pretty standard DQ size-wise. 40-50.
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Post by: Beezy on June 27, 2010, 05:27:25 PM
still ugly tho
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Post by: Himu on June 27, 2010, 05:28:24 PM
Sorry, but my standards are higher. When I want to play a sequel, I want it to be better on all fronts. And DQIX fails.


Get this shit out of here. You've had 4 years to accept this and you aren't even a DQ fan to begin with.
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Post by: Himu on June 27, 2010, 05:29:03 PM
still ugly tho

I actually don't think DQ9 is remotely ugly.
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Post by: Third on June 27, 2010, 05:39:14 PM
Sorry, but my standards are higher. When I want to play a sequel, I want it to be better on all fronts. And DQIX fails.


Get this shit out of here. You've had 4 years to accept this and you aren't even a DQ fan to begin with.

Well, I was a potential fan. Until I heard DQIX was going to the DS. Maybe I'll start playing DQ games again if they start delivering what I want.
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Post by: Himu on June 27, 2010, 05:41:05 PM
And what you want are great graphics?

Stop playing games and kill yourself.
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Post by: Beezy on June 27, 2010, 05:43:33 PM
3D on the DS is ugly. 2D games look the best on it.
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Post by: Himu on June 27, 2010, 05:46:28 PM
DQ9 still looks pretty swell. Who cares how it looks. You forget how a game looks 5 minutes in, when you get to the GAME part.
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Post by: tiesto on June 27, 2010, 05:49:21 PM
I was hoping they'd go for a 6/3sfc 2d graphic style for the game, but that would probably have been too much to ask.
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Post by: Beezy on June 27, 2010, 05:49:46 PM
 :(
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Post by: Himu on June 27, 2010, 05:54:46 PM
I'd rather the game be on psp.

But you don't see me complaining. Complaining about graphics in games is stupid unless it gives yo seizures. I've never really seen the big deal. Some games are beautiful, some are ugly, most are in between. I care more about art direction than graphics. When you're playing a good game, graphics are the last thing on your mind, and you forget the game has good or average or bad graphics just a few minutes in.

It's nice to want things but making more than one post on a game's graphics not being for you is a fool's errand. In the end, it doesn't really matter, and this is why I can go back to 8-bit, 16-bit and 32-bit games with ease.

Who gives a fuck.

Can we ban Third from this thread and discuss the game part?
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Post by: Himu on June 27, 2010, 05:58:58 PM
[youtube=560,345]V3I5U9Ro9Oo[/youtube]

Worry from this trailer: battles are super longer than they should be like in 8 because of the fucking battle animations.

First person mode PLEASE.
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Post by: demi on June 27, 2010, 06:05:47 PM

Can we ban Third from this thread and discuss the game part?

No, because none of us have played it
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Post by: Bebpo on June 27, 2010, 06:20:59 PM
DQ9 is not as long as DQ7 or 8. It's pretty standard DQ size-wise. 40-50.

Depends.

The main game is pretty short.  ~30 hours or less.

The post game is like infinite grind game with tons of optional bosses and you gotta get strong enough to fight them.


And the battles are shorter than VIII. 
Title: Re: Dragon Quest IX gets released in two week? who's excited?
Post by: Third on June 27, 2010, 06:27:11 PM
And what you want are great graphics?

Stop playing games and kill yourself.

Not only better graphics. But better sound as well. Better controls probably too.
The whole presentation would've been much better if the game would be released on a more capable console.
From what I've seen, DQIX looks worse than a Ps1 game.

But oh well. I guess people are too easily pleased nowadays.
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Post by: magus on June 27, 2010, 06:29:49 PM
DQ9 is not as long as DQ7 or 8. It's pretty standard DQ size-wise. 40-50.

Depends.

The main game is pretty short.  ~30 hours or less.

The post game is like infinite grind game with tons of optional bosses and you gotta get strong enough to fight them.


And the battles are shorter than VIII. 

don't you have metal slime for that tough?
is the job system distinguished mentally-challenged like in DQ7?

And what you want are great graphics?

Stop playing games and kill yourself.

Not only better graphics. But better sound as well. Better controls probably too.
The whole presentation would've been much better if the game would be released on a more capable console.
From what I've seen, DQIX looks worse than a Ps1 game.

But oh well. I guess people are too easily pleased nowadays.

this is how dragon quest ps1 looks like
(http://www.xbox365.com/gdb/images/GGGruGdPLG04221653/Xbox_360_262_500.jpg)
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Post by: Third on June 27, 2010, 06:49:44 PM

this is how dragon quest ps1 looks like
(http://www.xbox365.com/gdb/images/GGGruGdPLG04221653/Xbox_360_262_500.jpg)

And this is how its sequel looked like:
(http://outgame.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/dragon-quest-8.jpg)

(http://www.gameplaymonthly.com/games/dq8/1.jpg)

We all know how DQIX looks. It's some eybleeding stuff. What a waste.
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Post by: Bebpo on June 27, 2010, 08:55:17 PM
DQ9 is not as long as DQ7 or 8. It's pretty standard DQ size-wise. 40-50.

Depends.

The main game is pretty short.  ~30 hours or less.

The post game is like infinite grind game with tons of optional bosses and you gotta get strong enough to fight them.


And the battles are shorter than VIII. 

don't you have metal slime for that tough?
is the job system distinguished mentally-challenged like in DQ7?


Job system is the worst ever in a DQ.  It's based on DQIII.  DQVI and I'd guess VII's job system is similar but a lot better.  In DQIX you drop to level 1 when you change jobs and don't keep any of the spells from your previous job.  It's a total grind job system.

You can beat the entire game without changing jobs once.  I'd actually recommend doing that.  I changed jobs...once total the entire game and regretted it the whole time afterwards.
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 27, 2010, 10:53:56 PM
So this game sucks? I had been looking forward to it  :(
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Post by: Bebpo on June 27, 2010, 10:57:22 PM
It's fine or good or great depending on the person.  If you get into the post-game content or multiplayer it can be really cool.  If you just do the main story and don't job change it's an ok rpg that's just kind of ho-hum for a dq game.

I'd just advise to not go crazy and job change a bunch of people when the job change ability opens up.  Last thing you want is to be lvl.30 and then have half your team drop to lvl.1 and have a heck of a time getting people back up to the point where they can actually be useful in battle again.
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Post by: Mandark on June 27, 2010, 11:53:24 PM
In DQIX you drop to level 1 when you change jobs and don't keep any of the spells from your previous job.

wtf
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Post by: pilonv1 on June 28, 2010, 12:08:07 AM
That's a shocking design decision. smh japan
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Post by: Himu on June 28, 2010, 12:45:31 AM
hahahahaha what the fuck horii

horii is going senile

first making it an quest based action rpg and now this
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Post by: Smooth Groove on June 28, 2010, 12:49:11 AM
Hori still makes pretty good joysticks. 
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Post by: Himu on June 28, 2010, 02:03:40 AM
:lol
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Post by: magus on June 28, 2010, 07:54:25 AM
well i don't see anything bad about that,tough doesn't that make job that get unlocked later useless? do you have jobs that learn just useless skills like DQ7 thief?
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 28, 2010, 08:58:11 AM
In DQ3 didn't you basically have the same set of jobs for the whole game? Halfway through you just got improved versions of the standard jobs I think. The Sage was the only truly unique class that you couldn't start the game off with IIRC. Same for DQ9?
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Post by: Himu on June 28, 2010, 10:36:08 AM
To be fair, you can change back to that other job at any time and you use it at the level you got it to, with all those skills, just like FFXI. And I've played the game for more than 200 hrs. You could say I like it a lot.

That sounds like a pretty standard job system then.

smh @ bebpo
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Post by: Sho Nuff on June 28, 2010, 11:55:33 AM
I remember when I was at a trade show and I saw Horii walking around. I dared my friend to go up to him and say:

"Oh! I know you! I love your games so much!!! They're the best RPGs ever! You're so amazing!"

And then after he shakes his hand, say:

"Yes! I never thought I'd meet the creator of Final Fantasy!"
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Post by: magus on June 28, 2010, 12:21:04 PM
out of curiosity i did take a trip on gamefaqs and here's what i discovered
apparently there are skills tree like the one in DQ8,so you have 3 weapon skill tree and 1 speciality skill

for example you know how yangus had club/hammer/axe/humanity? here the warrior job has sword/lance/knife/warrior stuff,the mage job has knife/whip/wand/magic stuff... now job specific skill like heal and fizzle don't transfer but skills that come from the skills tree do transfer which is usefull since i seems to understand that a tons of these skills are just stat boosts,it seems also that if a character master a weapon then he can wield that weapon no matter his job so you can have sword wielding mage even tough it takes a shitload of effort

from reading gamefaqs it seems that switching to a high level class to a low level class once will make your character useless but jack of all trades can get decent since they can get more skill points and therefore more stat boost from the skills tree

apparently you can also reincarnate to get more skill points a-la disgaea

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Post by: Himu on June 28, 2010, 01:34:38 PM

from reading gamefaqs it seems that switching to a high level class to a low level class once will make your character useless but jack of all trades can get decent since they can get more skill points and therefore more stat boost from the skills tree


Can you explain this a bit more? How do you create a jack of all trades?
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Post by: magus on June 28, 2010, 01:46:43 PM
himu - you know how in FFV the most powerfull class is freelancer because he gets monk strenght stat,summoner magic stat and ninja agility stat?

it seems it works in a similiar manner here... the soldier gets a strenght buff when learning soldier skills but that buff gets shared between all the jobs,so if you keep switching jobs,you accumulate tons of buff so you can end up as a decent character if you level up tons of different jobs but a single switch does nothing

at least that's how i think it works :-X
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Post by: Bebpo on June 28, 2010, 02:13:35 PM
To be fair, you can change back to that other job at any time and you use it at the level you got it to, with all those skills, just like FFXI. And I've played the game for more than 200 hrs. You could say I like it a lot.

That sounds like a pretty standard job system then.

smh @ bebpo

Yeah, because I said something different  ::)

It's not like a standard job system because
Job system in most FFs -> you stay at the same level you were AND keep the spells learned in each job
Job system in DQVI/VII -> you drop to level 1 BUT you keep the spells learned in each job

Normally the idea of a job system is that you switch jobs to get useful spells and then build a character who has all the spells you want.

The main problem with DQIX is not keeping spells from old jobs, and the 2nd main problem is it takes FOREVER to get a lvl.1 character useful again.  I changed jobs with 1 character at mid-game.  I had them in my party with all the rest lvl.30 characters.  They would die in 1 hit at first in every battle and couldn't do any damage, so I had them block and hoped they would survive.  Once they got to about lvl.14 they could survive a few hits but still couldn't do any damage.  This guy used to be one of my main damage dealers, so this whole time I'm down 1 major damage dealer.  It took me until almost the end of the main story for that guy to get near the levels of my other party members and finally become useful.  Was not worth having a gimped team for the entire 2nd half of the game, just so I could have a guy with a better job for the last dungeon or two.  And to unlock the "high class" jobs, you need to level 2 jobs to a certain point, so now repeat those 10-20 hours of getting him from lvl.1 to useful three times and there you have your high class character.

I thought the job system was trash
Aeana thought the job system was trash
duckroll thought the job system was trash

all for precisely these reasons.  The game is trying to be an MMO so it's using an MMO job system that is insanely grind heavy and slow and time consuming and totally not appropriate for a single player 30 hour rpg.
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Post by: Sho Nuff on June 28, 2010, 07:05:33 PM
[youtube=560,345]IGKR1Jgj7W4[/youtube]

Seth Green is clearly excited for this chart-topping mega hit blockbuster game

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Post by: Bebpo on June 28, 2010, 07:18:34 PM
Whatever it takes to make DQ popular in the west....
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Post by: magus on June 28, 2010, 07:25:32 PM
i don't know bebpo... couldn't you have done that on the post game? level up the job a bit and then return to your old job? farm metal slimes? i mean... i don't understand,if you tought doing so was a pain in the ass,why you did it?

couldn't you have done like this guy?
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La9s0kuWBhQ&feature=related[/youtube]
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Post by: Sho Nuff on June 28, 2010, 07:30:25 PM
Whatever it takes to make DQ popular in the west....

Sorry, they're not changing the gameplay
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Post by: Bebpo on June 28, 2010, 07:44:08 PM
i don't know bebpo... couldn't you have done that on the post game? level up the job a bit and then return to your old job? i mean... i don't understand,if you thought doing so was a pain in the ass,why you did it?

Because I played it before everyone told me the job system was broke!
I figured there must be a point to the job system and when I get this lvl.1 character back to the same level of my party members he will be amazing and it'll be worth it. 
I also didn't expect him to level so slowly.  The first 10-15 levels are fast, but then at some point about 10 levels before the rest of your party it takes forever to catch up.  I guess if you want to sit around and grind metal slimes for 5 hours everytime you change a job you'll be efficient.  But that sounds super boring to play.
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Post by: tiesto on June 28, 2010, 07:58:02 PM
Whatever it takes to make DQ popular in the west....

Sorry, they're not changing the gameplay

All they'll need to do is recolor the game to a brown/yellow/grey overbloomed mess, and then replace the game mechanics with FPS mechanics, and BAM, instant hit!
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Post by: Bebpo on June 28, 2010, 08:01:35 PM
I'd play FPS DQ

ROCKET LAUNCHER vs. SLIME KING :O
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Post by: Bulleta©™® on June 28, 2010, 08:02:49 PM
I would be if I could buy it, still haven't played the Japanese version, either.  poooooooooooor
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Post by: The Sceneman on June 28, 2010, 08:06:30 PM
Whatever it takes to make DQ popular in the west....

Sorry, they're not changing the gameplay

All they'll need to do is recolor the game to a brown/yellow/grey overbloomed mess, and then replace the game mechanics with FPS mechanics, and BAM, instant hit!

they also need co-op cover based gameplay and tons of emo bromance!
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Post by: Bebpo on June 28, 2010, 08:21:02 PM
I would be if I could buy it, still haven't played the Japanese version, either.  poooooooooooor

what the

you post here now?

Welcome!  :)
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Post by: Bulleta©™® on June 28, 2010, 08:23:25 PM
Let's get this place jumping and bumping.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 28, 2010, 08:27:44 PM
sell me on this game, nignogs. is it totally solo'able?
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Post by: demi on June 28, 2010, 08:29:55 PM
Bebpo just said you can beat it w/o changing a single job.
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Post by: Bebpo on June 28, 2010, 08:57:43 PM
sell me on this game, nignogs. is it totally solo'able?

I don't think playing solo puts you at a disadvantage with a game that uses a turn-based fully controllable AI party  :P
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Post by: Smooth Groove on June 28, 2010, 09:01:09 PM
Prof, wait for superior 3DS version.
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Post by: Ichirou on June 28, 2010, 09:05:10 PM
Has DQVI gotten announced yet?  I'm more interested in that one than in IX.
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Post by: cubicle47b on June 28, 2010, 10:23:49 PM
I'll buy it.  I have nothing left to do in Days of Ruin.  Awesome game but it needs a hard mode.
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Post by: Sho Nuff on June 28, 2010, 11:41:05 PM
The slime games are the best. Too bad they stopped making those, Rocket Slime on DS was mad awesome
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Post by: demi on June 28, 2010, 11:52:41 PM
I dunno if it was MAD AWESOME... was disgusting easy
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Post by: Ichirou on June 28, 2010, 11:57:09 PM
It was a fun time waster, but it felt way too kiddy-oriented.
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Post by: Sho Nuff on June 29, 2010, 01:07:57 AM
Yeah it was pretty kiddy, but remember that I am a weaksauce gamer and my e-peen can only be viewed under a microscope :(
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Post by: Bulleta©™® on June 29, 2010, 01:56:56 AM
Has DQVI gotten announced yet?  I'm more interested in that one than in IX.

Do you like 7? Because 6 uses the same job system, yet even more annoying, and even more annoying in the remake (fewer battles).
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Post by: Bebpo on June 29, 2010, 01:58:36 AM
Slime Mori Mori 2 was great.  Tank battles were so much fun.  Zelda action was fun too.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I can enjoy easy games; they are relaxing and fun
[close]
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Post by: Ichirou on June 29, 2010, 02:22:54 AM
Yeah it was pretty kiddy, but remember that I am a weaksauce gamer and my e-peen can only be viewed under a microscope :(

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I finished it and everything and had a blast, but it was a bit of a shock at first playing something that was obviously geared at the 8 to 10 year old set.
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Post by: Damian79 on June 29, 2010, 11:12:12 AM
Someone explain to me how you go back to level 1.  Is this for job skills?  What should i be watching out for/avoiding?  I really dont understand what is the complaint here.
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Post by: Bebpo on June 29, 2010, 11:19:22 AM
It's very simple.

Say your character is a lvl.30 Bard.  You go to the temple where you can job change.  You see a list of all the jobs:

Monk lvl.1
Black Mage lvl.1
White Mage lvl.1
Knight lvl.1
etc...

If you change to them, your level drops to lvl.1 like your HP goes from 900 to 50, your MP from 900 to 50, your atk/magic/def from 500 to 20.  It's the same as if you just started the game and that was your job.

But at any time you can go back to the temple and the list of jobs will say:

Monk lvl.1
Black Mage lvl.1
White Mage lvl.1
Knight lvl.1
Bard lvl.30

So if you pick Bard, you will change to the Bard job and your level will go back to the point it was at before you changed out of it.  You keep certain skills you learned in other jobs such as which equipment you can equip and occasional stat bonuses when you go back to the lvl.30 Bard, but you don't keep any of the spells you learned in any of the other jobs.
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Post by: Damian79 on June 29, 2010, 06:14:40 PM
So ideally if you want to multiclass you should constantly go from multiple jobs levelling them up equally?  Good to know.
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Post by: magus on June 29, 2010, 06:28:50 PM
yea i was thinking the same thing
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Post by: Third on June 29, 2010, 06:59:00 PM
The grinding sounds terrible in this game.
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Post by: Himu on June 29, 2010, 06:59:34 PM
So ideally if you want to multiclass you should constantly go from multiple jobs levelling them up equally?  Good to know.

so like, when you're done leveling up your warrior switch to I dunno, paladin and level him up.

sounds hawt but could be very grindy, thus proving the "dq games require too much grinding" idiots right.
Title: Re: Dragon Quest IX gets released in two week? who's excited?
Post by: magus on June 29, 2010, 07:21:27 PM
in disgaea you grind but you know why grinding in disgaea is fun? because it never feels like a drag! disgaea is the kind of the game where you can go from level 1 to level 1000 in less than 5 minutes,if you know what you are doing... if leveling up all the jobs to something like level 20 doesn't take too much then i don't have any problem with it
Title: Re: Dragon Quest IX gets released in two week? who's excited?
Post by: Himu on June 29, 2010, 07:23:42 PM
ditto

it'd be awesome if it had a suikoden experience system
Title: Re: Dragon Quest IX gets released in two week? who's excited?
Post by: Bebpo on June 29, 2010, 07:26:16 PM
Yeah, unfortunately leveling is like DQVI (and I'd guess DQVII?) speed, which is very, very slow unless you are a fan of running around in circles where metal slimes are and hope they appear and hope they don't run away in battle.

In N1 games it's totally cool to drop to level 1 or raise lvl.1 characters because the majority of your stats come from your equipment.  So if you throw lvl.50 equip on a lvl.1 character they'll still be awesome.  In DQ the equipment is like 10-20% of your stats and high level equip on lvl.1 character doesn't mean they can do any damage or take any hits.

DQIX is definitely for the MMO fan.  It's like an MMO that you can solo with AI party members.  It's the FFXI of the DQ series in a way.
I hate FFXI and MMOs because leveling and the games in general is slooow.
Title: Re: Dragon Quest IX gets released in two week? who's excited?
Post by: Himu on June 29, 2010, 07:33:44 PM
Well the game was originally quest based action rpg where you could play online with friends. I've heard these quests are still in the game.

So really, it really WAS based around an online rpg experience to begin with.
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Post by: Damian79 on June 29, 2010, 08:11:41 PM
What is the point of changing jobs btw?
Title: Re: Dragon Quest IX gets released in two week? who's excited?
Post by: Bulleta©™® on June 29, 2010, 08:14:16 PM
Since you don't keep abilities, I wonder that too.  Unless it's like FF3/5 where at a few points in the game, certain job types make things easier.
Title: Re: Dragon Quest IX gets released in two week? who's excited?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 29, 2010, 08:38:03 PM
How much slower is the combat versus the 2D DQ games?

Couldn't I just use the same classes from start to finish to enjoy the game without grinding?
Title: Re: Dragon Quest IX gets released in two week? who's excited?
Post by: Bulleta©™® on June 29, 2010, 10:14:54 PM
Oh, I think I was always told nothing carried over from job to job.
Title: Re: Dragon Quest IX gets released in two week? who's excited?
Post by: Akala on June 30, 2010, 12:01:07 AM
I'm kind of hyped for this, but realize I have absolutely zero time to commit to something like this right now. Maybe in a few weeks.

Life  :'(
Title: Re: Dragon Quest IX gets released in two week? who's excited?
Post by: Bebpo on June 30, 2010, 12:06:11 AM
I don't think I ever even had a spear user :(

I think if you have a guide or wiki and learned all the tricks and what skills are useful, it'd go a long way towards making the job system less offensive (although you'll still have to run in circles and grind metal slimes).  That's the only downpoint of playing imports day 1.  You're all on your own!  Especially when the import thread becomes totally dead after a week on gaf and you're the only one still playing.

My party was a standard Knight (job changed lead into it), Monk, White Mage, Black Mage party.  That reminds me how much I hated the quests at Dharma for each job.  "Go kill 50 enemies with a counter attack and come back and talk to me"  :'(

How much slower is the combat versus the 2D DQ games?

Couldn't I just use the same classes from start to finish to enjoy the game without grinding?

Did you play VIII?  It's a looot slower than the 2d DQ battles, but it's slightly faster than DQVIII battles. 

And yes, you can make your team at the start and go through the entire game and beat it without grinding in about 30 hours.
Title: Re: Dragon Quest IX gets released in two week? who's excited?
Post by: Himu on June 30, 2010, 12:47:18 AM
Here is a quick example of shit you can do with the job/level system.

Learn the "weak spot" attack on spears.
Go hunting for metal slimes / metal bros / metal kings.
Level up a ton, and save all the points.
Change to a new job, e.g. thief.
Invest all the points you saved up into the "treasure" skill line.
Change back to your last job.
Bam, you now have your old job + a full list of thief skills, including speed+40, treasure find, monster check, etc.

i came
Title: Re: Dragon Quest IX gets released in two week? who's excited?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 30, 2010, 09:11:11 AM
Yea I played 8, and I put it down because the battles were horrifically slow. If this is only slightly faster I might not buy it at all.
Title: Re: Dragon Quest IX gets released in two week? who's excited?
Post by: Sho Nuff on July 01, 2010, 12:10:12 PM
According to Kotaku, there's a big release party in New York today, Yuji Horii will show up and autograph your copy*

*If you're one of the first 30 people there. He's only signing 30 of them.  :lol
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Post by: tiesto on July 01, 2010, 01:19:52 PM
According to Kotaku, there's a big release party in New York today, Yuji Horii will show up and autograph your copy*

*If you're one of the first 30 people there. He's only signing 30 of them.  :lol

Fuck... I would totally go if he was signing more than that...