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Title: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2010, 06:48:01 PM
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on July 23, 2010, 07:03:44 PM
So I hear marauders ghosts tanks thors vikings planetary fortresses are imba? What's up with that?

That end-of-beta tournament is continuing tonight at 7 PST: http://www.ustream.tv/day9tv/v3 I think the semifinals start after today's matches
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on July 23, 2010, 07:04:31 PM
Oh and wtf is this OT business?
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Third on July 23, 2010, 07:04:48 PM
Much better OP than the GAF thread. I still don't know what this game is about.
Never played a Starcraft game before. The trailers looked hot, though. The usual Blizzard stuff.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 23, 2010, 07:13:47 PM
Oh and wtf is this OT business?

GAF stupidity
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on July 23, 2010, 07:15:05 PM
smh

Hey look: I knew there was no way this game cost a bajillion dollars to make (http://kotaku.com/5594862/starcraft-ii-did-not-cost-100-million-to-make)

Much better OP than the GAF thread. I still don't know what this game is about.
You mean the story crap or the gameplay?
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Third on July 23, 2010, 07:19:36 PM
You mean the story crap or the gameplay?

Both. But I just scrolled my arm off at the GAF OP. It seem to be an RTS game. A very polished one.
Might give it a try.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on July 23, 2010, 07:22:25 PM
There's probably better stuff out there if you're just looking for single player RTS, but it'll still be worth a play. The multiplayer is GOTY status, though
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Third on July 23, 2010, 07:37:26 PM
I actually thought this would be a 3rd person adventure game after watching the trailers.
The only rts games I've played are Red Alert and Age of Empires. Don't think I can play the original Starcraft after having watched a few screenshots...
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 23, 2010, 07:38:49 PM
i think i bought it awhile back. dont remember. we'll see if it shows up on my porch next week.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Brehvolution on July 23, 2010, 07:45:54 PM
I was real excited for the beta and played a few times. I just don't know why I have no interest in picking his up. :/
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 23, 2010, 07:51:24 PM
Third needs to know that Starcraft is better than the entire ps3 catalog combined.

:bow Blizzard :bow2
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on July 23, 2010, 07:52:59 PM
:bow
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: pilonv1 on July 23, 2010, 08:08:37 PM
Oh and wtf is this OT business?

|OT| this
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Positive Touch on July 23, 2010, 08:21:41 PM
I actually thought this would be a 3rd person adventure game after watching the trailers.
The only rts games I've played are Red Alert and Age of Empires. Don't think I can play the original Starcraft after having watched a few screenshots...

get an emulator and play the n64 port asap
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2010, 08:25:02 PM
Much better OP than the GAF thread. I still don't know what this game is about.
Never played a Starcraft game before. The trailers looked hot, though. The usual Blizzard stuff.

Starcraft is an RTS, like chess
there are three races, like apartheid-era South Africa
terran are over powered, like paladins

I'll make sure to put that in the OP to give people a better understanding of the game
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Beezy on July 23, 2010, 08:31:16 PM
Please stop trying to bring this OT bullshit here.

Starcraft is an RTS, like chess
???

Chess is turnbased, like Civilization.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 23, 2010, 08:34:07 PM
Much better OP than the GAF thread. I still don't know what this game is about.
Never played a Starcraft game before. The trailers looked hot, though. The usual Blizzard stuff.

Starcraft is an RTS, like chess

chess is turn-based, moron
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2010, 08:34:50 PM
I guess I can't parody gaf without homos ruining things smh
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 23, 2010, 08:36:15 PM
I was going to say something about the second one, but I wanted to be a nerd too.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: cool breeze on July 23, 2010, 08:42:24 PM
when is Diablo 3 coming out? I want to be excited for a Blizzard product but I'm out of touch with RTS games and  :yuck mmorp
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on July 23, 2010, 08:43:32 PM
D3 will be out soon (http://www.wowwiki.com/Soon)
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 23, 2010, 08:49:33 PM
2012
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 23, 2010, 09:31:41 PM
I watched that game you guys were talking about yesterday (Tester vs TLO Game 2). Wow. I wish TLO got that defensive nuke off, though.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2010, 09:45:56 PM
You know you've reached nerd status when you make a big dinner in anticipation of watching a SCII tournament broadcast on your computer  :-\
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on July 23, 2010, 10:01:24 PM
:rofl I did that last night, except that the cast got delayed and I ended up eating my giant plate of Chinese food while reading forums :gloomy

I watched that game you guys were talking about yesterday (Tester vs TLO Game 2). Wow. I wish TLO got that defensive nuke off, though.
Ha yeah. I think he could have gotten away with some nukes on expansions
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on July 23, 2010, 10:09:48 PM
I hope IntoTheRainbow takes the tournament. He's a Brood War Protoss -> SC2 Terran convert like me, and he was kinda unappreciated in the Brood War days, so I'm pulling for him
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2010, 10:13:33 PM
oh shit he's fucked
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on July 23, 2010, 10:14:25 PM
Man I'm the Konex of Starcraft :'(
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2010, 10:21:37 PM
Man I'm the Konex of Starcraft :'(
:lol

holy shit
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on July 23, 2010, 10:22:13 PM
God WTF. Oh well, I guess it's a victory for America at least

If Idra wins I think I'll hang myself
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2010, 10:26:10 PM
Idra against TLO? I'll bet on TLO. I don't watch many Idra games, but I've only seen him win like a couple games. Usually he gets owned by terran  :-\
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2010, 10:57:34 PM
Nice win by Idra. That heavy macro strat never seems to work when I play lol. Usually it's all about preparing for the first big push from my opponent , I wind up not having enough workers on minerals, can't replace units after they die, then I'm out
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2010, 11:14:29 PM
Idra/TLO rematch. Great game so far

edit: ends just as I say that smh

Kinda felt like Idra could have held out if he had transitioned from hydras to corrupters once he saw what was up. He built the spire in time to do it
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: TripleA on July 23, 2010, 11:21:09 PM
Serious question: how many players per game? Is it still 1 VS 1?
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 23, 2010, 11:23:13 PM
Any word on if the Protoss + Zerg campaigns are just gonna treated like x-pacs (and priced accordingly?)
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2010, 11:33:38 PM
Serious question: how many players per game? Is it still 1 VS 1?

Blizzard supports up to 4v4 (in the beta at least), and players can make 5v5 to 7v7 maps
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: demi on July 23, 2010, 11:52:35 PM
I actually thought this would be a 3rd person adventure game after watching the trailers.
The only rts games I've played are Red Alert and Age of Empires. Don't think I can play the original Starcraft after having watched a few screenshots...

get an emulator and play the n64 port asap

Muckhole gave me a copy of that for free. It's actually one of the pricy n64 games :rock
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 24, 2010, 01:27:14 AM
From the GAF thread:

14 1v1 maps, 1 map 1v1v1, 16 2v2 maps, 11 3v3 maps, 10 4v4 maps

 :omg :hyper
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 24, 2010, 01:28:50 AM
Not bad. Fans are going to create a shit ton of great ones

I wonder if highly rated fan made maps can be added to ladder games.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Positive Touch on July 24, 2010, 10:46:52 AM
I actually thought this would be a 3rd person adventure game after watching the trailers.
The only rts games I've played are Red Alert and Age of Empires. Don't think I can play the original Starcraft after having watched a few screenshots...

get an emulator and play the n64 port asap

Muckhole gave me a copy of that for free. It's actually one of the pricy n64 games :rock

ripping off poor muckhole :wag
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: demi on July 24, 2010, 10:48:08 AM
Fuck him :rock
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 24, 2010, 12:28:41 PM
You wish  ;)
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: archie4208 on July 24, 2010, 12:44:39 PM
I kinda want this game but I suck at real time strategy.  Stupid media hype.  :'(
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on July 24, 2010, 12:58:31 PM
I kinda want this game but I suck at real time strategy.  Stupid media hype.  :'(
Me, Cajole, and PD are all just varying degrees of bad, so you'd be right at home

Any word on if the Protoss + Zerg campaigns are just gonna treated like x-pacs (and priced accordingly?)
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/60020

I'm assuming they'll be $40 like the WoW expansions

Idra/TLO rematch. Great game so far

edit: ends just as I say that smh

Kinda felt like Idra could have held out if he had transitioned from hydras to corrupters once he saw what was up. He built the spire in time to do it
I had to go after the qxc/IntoTheRainbow series but I caught TLO/Idra when I got back. Some sweet games. That third one was a nailbiter, especially with the last push.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
I think TLO would have probably won if they weren't cross positions but that doesn't matter. Well played by Idra to come back after losing like 50 drones, and that counter drop was a brilliant move.
[close]
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: DJ_Tet on July 24, 2010, 03:03:26 PM
So will there ever be a 'Definitive' SCII with all expansions or are we talking about maybe 3 years from now?

I want the game too but I've never really played SC (just got it a few weeks ago actually to mess around with.)  I love strat games but I've never really played any RTS. 

Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: rodi on July 24, 2010, 05:31:54 PM
Well, I'm excited.  :P
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on July 25, 2010, 01:39:11 PM
So will there ever be a 'Definitive' SCII with all expansions or are we talking about maybe 3 years from now?

I want the game too but I've never really played SC (just got it a few weeks ago actually to mess around with.)  I love strat games but I've never really played any RTS. 


Yeah it'll be years before there's one of those all-in-one battle chest deals.

The matchmaking system really helps with the learning curve. It's one of the few improvements to come from the new Battle.net but it's a big one. You'll probably take a while to catch on to some stuff if you've never played an RTS, but you'll at least be playing opponents of similar skill, so it'll still be fun
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Damian79 on July 25, 2010, 04:37:32 PM
The campaign overview movie seems to indicate you can manipulate the outcome of the game.  Would be really badass if you can.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 25, 2010, 10:34:20 PM
So, I did the pre-install but Blizzard's site is miserably short on info. It's unclear whether I'll be able to pay with a non-US credit card, for example, or whether I can install on multiple PCs (or Macs - I wouldn't mind having this on my MacBook). I guess I'll find out on the day of release!
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 26, 2010, 01:16:58 AM
Posting this even though it's old

Kerrigan CGI sequence is so fucking awesome

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_E83GfWM-A[/youtube]
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 26, 2010, 01:32:08 AM
So, I did the pre-install but Blizzard's site is miserably short on info. It's unclear whether I'll be able to pay with a non-US credit card, for example, or whether I can install on multiple PCs (or Macs - I wouldn't mind having this on my MacBook). I guess I'll find out on the day of release!

I have to imagine you can install of multiple PCs. I was able to with the beta.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 26, 2010, 01:34:12 AM
cheers!
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: TripleA on July 26, 2010, 11:28:12 AM
Serious question: how many players per game? Is it still 1 VS 1?

Blizzard supports up to 4v4 (in the beta at least), and players can make 5v5 to 7v7 maps

Alright.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on July 26, 2010, 05:28:52 PM
So, I did the pre-install but Blizzard's site is miserably short on info. It's unclear whether I'll be able to pay with a non-US credit card, for example, or whether I can install on multiple PCs (or Macs - I wouldn't mind having this on my MacBook). I guess I'll find out on the day of release!

You can install on multiple PCs but you can only be signed into Battle.net once.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2010, 06:10:07 PM
Soo...can you create multiple characters under your account, ala WoW? I want to have my own record separate from my brothers lol, who are better than me
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 26, 2010, 07:43:45 PM
Was gonna hold off but saw FS will take 2 used games for it - looked at the list and apparently I can trade in TP and SSBB for it :lol might even go to the midnight launch

:rock
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 26, 2010, 07:52:57 PM
I have the urge to go at midnight somewhere, but I'll be strong. I just love DD too much now. I hate having shit lying around.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 26, 2010, 08:45:40 PM
i'm assuming i can just register the key through battle.net and have it for DD like WoW...please don't tell me i'm wrong
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 26, 2010, 09:39:02 PM
Yes, you can.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 26, 2010, 10:06:25 PM
I'm wondering if the DD comes with two guest passes like the retail version...
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 26, 2010, 11:02:32 PM
So, I did the pre-install but Blizzard's site is miserably short on info. It's unclear whether I'll be able to pay with a non-US credit card, for example, or whether I can install on multiple PCs (or Macs - I wouldn't mind having this on my MacBook). I guess I'll find out on the day of release!

You can install on multiple PCs but you can only be signed into Battle.net once.

Thanks to you too! Nice to see companies be reasonable about this.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2010, 12:27:08 AM
Only midnight releases I've ever attended were for the last Harry Potter book and Revenge of the Sith

yea
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 27, 2010, 01:19:10 AM
was only gonna go since i knew i'd be up and bored - got there at like 20 after and was worried that they would've processed the 5-10 people that bothered to show up. instead there was a line-up of 100-150 and drove right past them.

can't even play it right now anyways - need to clear up the HD since my external HD borked.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on July 27, 2010, 03:23:06 AM
I'm wondering if the DD comes with two guest passes like the retail version...

Is that just a demo?
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: cubicle47b on July 27, 2010, 08:12:57 AM
Time to write an angry letter to Blizzard.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2010, 08:41:49 AM
I'll update the op with usernames and shit when I get back from work
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 27, 2010, 09:38:17 AM
i ordered the game in May from gamestop.com


and now it's showing as backordered. BACKORDERED? I PREORDERED IT MOTHER FUCKERS.


Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: maxy on July 27, 2010, 11:16:00 AM
I kinda want this game but I suck at real time strategy.  Stupid media hype.  :'(

PC gamers :piss2





Will be playing this beauty soon,RTS is my most favorite genre

Install music :bow2
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 27, 2010, 11:24:24 AM
I had to swear to not buy this game until the end of August at the earliest. :'(
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 27, 2010, 11:28:47 AM
... and unlike you, I will probably never play the multiplayer. I'm awful at strategy games, especially when everyone else has had a head start. But the campaign sounds pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on July 27, 2010, 12:46:10 PM
i ordered the game in May from gamestop.com


and now it's showing as backordered. BACKORDERED? I PREORDERED IT MOTHER FUCKERS.




Should have ordered from Amazon. Mine's on a FedEx truck out for delivery :p
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 27, 2010, 12:53:00 PM
yup.
gamestop is such ass
gonna see if i can cancel it. since it's not been really ordered yet. then amazon prime that shit and get it the next day.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: demi on July 27, 2010, 12:59:05 PM
I kinda want this game but I suck at real time strategy.  Stupid media hype.  :'(

PC gamers :piss2





Will be playing this beauty soon,RTS is my most favorite genre

Install music :bow2

:wag

Xbox owners dont play this trash, I am disappointed in u Maxy.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 27, 2010, 01:03:58 PM
of course the order has been packed. so i cant cancel it. gonna get it next week :\

could have had it today if i had just amazon'd it

well i guess this means i have time for metro 2033
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Don Flamenco on July 27, 2010, 01:07:04 PM
I feel like I should snag this out of obligation...just to try it. 

of course, that means waiting for a torrent of the mac version to go up.   8)
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on July 27, 2010, 01:17:58 PM
Can't play online with a pirated version.

And there's no LAN play. So no multiplayer.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Raban on July 27, 2010, 02:44:30 PM
Bought the Collector's Edition, played the first few missions. It's a weird feeling, to be playing a full-length single-player game from a PC dev who hasn't done as such for a very long time. It's really good.

... and unlike you, I will probably never play the multiplayer. I'm awful at strategy games, especially when everyone else has had a head start. But the campaign sounds pretty awesome.

This is me. And the campaign IS awesome.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on July 27, 2010, 02:53:04 PM
I hate RTS games but i'm having a blast. Cutscenes are amazing, graphics are amazing. Awesome.

Frend me guys.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 27, 2010, 03:33:17 PM
I heard that you can alter the game Mass Effect-style with choices?
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on July 27, 2010, 04:20:38 PM
Got the CE. The comic it comes with comes bagged and boarded :lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on July 27, 2010, 05:05:15 PM
Yes, the single player is like an adventure game with RTS missions.

And HOLY SHIT @ the jukebox music!

ELVIS
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 27, 2010, 06:40:39 PM
try changing your battle.net password
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on July 27, 2010, 07:52:03 PM
Looks like B.net crashed. Can't find quick matches now.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 27, 2010, 08:06:42 PM
CajoleJuice 153

I'll be playing multi later, I guess.

SP runs pretty well on medium for me, but I'm sure I'll put everything on low in multi like I did for the beta.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on July 27, 2010, 08:15:39 PM
OptimoPeach 633

Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: cool breeze on July 27, 2010, 08:58:48 PM
I feel like the only person who doesn't have this (or plans to get it)  :-\

I need to start Dawn of War 2 since I heard that is the best way to get into RTS games.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 27, 2010, 09:12:03 PM
yup, i see a lot of tips saying that i need to change language, then password, then maybe email

will give them all a whirl tonight. Thanks :D


hope something works!

And I dunno, SC2 has a bunch of stuff that can help ease you into it, Linkzg. I've been messing around with these "challenges" they have -- they introduce and teach players the rock, paper, scissors aspect. I'm sure the others help teach you other stuff too.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2010, 09:46:54 PM
OP updated with user info
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: cool breeze on July 27, 2010, 10:21:40 PM
And I dunno, SC2 has a bunch of stuff that can help ease you into it, Linkzg. I've been messing around with these "challenges" they have -- they introduce and teach players the rock, paper, scissors aspect. I'm sure the others help teach you other stuff too.

yeah, I was expecting it to teach you a bit, but I still have trouble finding resource management and base building interesting.   Dawn of War 2 is supposed to be more offensive and straight forward, and in general it sounds like a good way to get me back into the genre.  Maybe I can get into Starcraft 2 when the trilogy is complete!
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 28, 2010, 12:46:53 AM
well, the purchase from blizzard was pretty simple, props. Was expecting issues with a J-based credit card but nothing. Sad for DC but not that sad, really. Just in a sort of token polite sense, not anything that actually affects me on an emotional level :smug
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: archie4208 on July 28, 2010, 12:50:59 AM
I hate to be a beggar, but if anyone has a spare guest pass I'd appreciate it.  :-*

And I dunno, SC2 has a bunch of stuff that can help ease you into it, Linkzg. I've been messing around with these "challenges" they have -- they introduce and teach players the rock, paper, scissors aspect. I'm sure the others help teach you other stuff too.

yeah, I was expecting it to teach you a bit, but I still have trouble finding resource management and base building interesting.   Dawn of War 2 is supposed to be more offensive and straight forward, and in general it sounds like a good way to get me back into the genre.  Maybe I can get into Starcraft 2 when the trilogy is complete!

The single player campaign in Dawn of War 2 is practically a real time Diablo, while the multiplayer is your typical 'build bases, micromanage, etc' type of game.  You still have to do things like move into cover and have proper position but it is a good primer if you have very little experience with RTS (which was my situation a few months ago).
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Pringo on July 28, 2010, 12:55:08 AM
I hate to be a beggar, but if anyone has a spare guest pass I'd appreciate it.  :-*

I have one if you haven't gotten one yet.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 28, 2010, 01:20:13 AM
I hate to be a beggar, but if anyone has a spare guest pass I'd appreciate it.  :-*

I'd give you one if the DD version had them. :(

And that's fair enough Linkzg.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 28, 2010, 02:05:01 AM
have a guest pass if someone wants it
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2010, 02:58:55 AM
like 4 wins, 12 losses or something in 1v1. Haven't come close to beating terran

Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 28, 2010, 07:54:54 AM
i wonder how high (if at all) this will place on the NPDs. mostly interested in seeing if a boxed PC game can crack the top 5. I think it probably will.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 28, 2010, 08:43:26 AM
They track PC games separately don't they?

This'll probably be pretty box-copy heavy as maybe people didn't know about battlenet and being able to buy and download at will.

Since signing up for battlenet is essentially required and they'll get exposure to it, I would'nt be surprised if the next 2 campaigns get alot more DD business though.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on July 28, 2010, 09:16:17 AM
How do I check for a guest pass?

Also, I'm pretty sure the guy that was in front of me to get his preorder at Gamestop was a Norteno. Even gangbangers want SC
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on July 28, 2010, 09:18:02 AM
You should've got 2 SC2 and 2 WoW Guest Passes in your boxed copy. Along with a stupid notepad.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on July 28, 2010, 09:25:50 AM
Ohh okay. Thanks.

I'll give one of the SC2 passes away if anyone wants it. Might even end up giving both of them away if my friends don't want to play
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ch1nchilla on July 28, 2010, 09:28:23 AM
Played two 1v1 matches in the practice league, raped both times. :( Enjoying it though. :hyper
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: archie4208 on July 28, 2010, 10:11:37 AM
I hate to be a beggar, but if anyone has a spare guest pass I'd appreciate it.  :-*

I have one if you haven't gotten one yet.

I would greatly appreciate it. 
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ch1nchilla on July 28, 2010, 11:41:16 AM
i am solo because this is my first Starcraft experience!

TRAININGGGGSSSS


I suck ass too. Hit me up! We can practice with co-op or whatever.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 28, 2010, 11:53:02 AM
I hate to be a beggar, but if anyone has a spare guest pass I'd appreciate it.  :-*

I have one if you haven't gotten one yet.

I would greatly appreciate it. 
got one? pm me if not
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2010, 12:08:55 PM
smh

My brother registered the game with his email, under my name; so now there are two accounts out there with my name attached to them. So it's not connected to my main account which has the rest of my games/betas, making real ID not work.

I doubt Blizzard will change this. Oh well, I can just give his email to people in other games I guess
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: BlackMage on July 28, 2010, 02:24:46 PM
Rocko 634
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Bloodwake on July 28, 2010, 04:08:38 PM
I cracked and bought it. Now I have two Blizzard games I'm switching back and forth between this summer. Beautiful.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2010, 10:29:21 PM
Manabyte what's your user # again, so I can add it to the op

Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on July 29, 2010, 01:54:53 AM
756

Doing good in 1v1 now that I have a Thor rush in place :)
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: archie4208 on July 29, 2010, 02:36:13 AM
I know this is a good game, but I just can't get into it. :-\  I'm 1-6 so far so I know part of my problems are that I'm an awful player. 
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on July 29, 2010, 03:07:49 AM
I did one random 2v2 and lost because the guy I was teamed with didn't know how to play at all. Didn't expand and didn't build anything but a few marines.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 29, 2010, 07:11:26 AM
And as always, remember I share the account with two brothers. They play more than me, and will usually tell you when I'm not on

I'm gonna call Blizzard and see if I can get them to change the email on the account from my brother's to my own, which has the rest of my Blizzard games/real ID. Should not have let him install the game smh
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 29, 2010, 08:16:45 AM
came into work this morning and found a guest pass sitting on my desk.

apparently one of the overnight guys was giving them out to people. seems like the guy who sits at my desk overnight didn't want it. i can activate it right now

but i'll be getting the game next week. i could probably beat it this weekend then end up having a paperweight next week

decisions.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on July 29, 2010, 09:16:24 AM
came into work this morning and found a guest pass sitting on my desk.

apparently one of the overnight guys was giving them out to people. seems like the guy who sits at my desk overnight didn't want it. i can activate it right now

but i'll be getting the game next week. i could probably beat it this weekend then end up having a paperweight next week

decisions.

I don't know if you can really beat it in 7 hours.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2010, 12:30:47 AM
Playing Optimo is depressing :fbm

I went in thinking "fuck it I'm going to lose, might as well try something else." So I used Idra's 14pool15hatch build, which I've actually been using a lot lately. It's dangerous and I haven't perfected it yet lol. Needless to say I got swamped in tanks soon enough
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on July 30, 2010, 02:06:17 AM
Did my first real 2v2 match and my partner was Protoss against two Protoss. We steamrolled them with Thors and Carriers.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 30, 2010, 12:15:04 PM
Killing time at work

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Main_Page
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: archie4208 on July 30, 2010, 12:16:32 PM
I won my second game.  The other dude had one Void Ray and two Zealots when I charged his base. :lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on July 30, 2010, 07:25:51 PM
I've still yet to play any of the campaign smh. I just got a bunch of new 360 stuff, so all my single-player time has been devoted to that. I'll check it out this weekend, though.

Playing Optimo is depressing :fbm

I went in thinking "fuck it I'm going to lose, might as well try something else." So I used Idra's 14pool15hatch build, which I've actually been using a lot lately. It's dangerous and I haven't perfected it yet lol. Needless to say I got swamped in tanks soon enough
Ha I was trying rax -> factory -> rax instead of rax -> factory -> starport. I think it's less flimsy. I'll probably be sticking with it as a standard opening in TvZ.

I dunno what Idra's opening entails these days, but I'm assuming he gets ling speed? That tends to fuck up my early rine/hellion harass pretty well, and I don't think any sort of of single-base play from Zerg is viable against Terran mech unless you're going for like an early baneling bust or fast muta, so keep playing around with that build unless you're really uncomfortable with it.

I won my second game.  The other dude had one Void Ray and two Zealots when I charged his base. :lol
:bow Beating down Void Ray users :bow2

Speaking of which: PD, I still want revenge on your brother for that ugly, embarrassing loss
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: TripleA on July 30, 2010, 08:25:21 PM
Currently learning how to play the game, I have a feeling it's going to be a while before I get into the multiplayer  :lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: FatalT on July 30, 2010, 09:02:34 PM
165 (FatalT)
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2010, 11:56:19 PM
i'm about to sign on :rock
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 31, 2010, 03:04:52 AM
Finally beat Optimo :rock

Although to be fair it wasn't a straight up battle: he went for the high yield minerals on Kulas Ravine and I caught him lol; game lasted awhile though as he expanded beyond rocks and used Reapers to contain me
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on July 31, 2010, 02:41:05 PM
 :gloomy
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 31, 2010, 07:32:15 PM
Beat Optimo fair and square :rock

spoiler (click to show/hide)
then he destroyed me 3 times in a row  :lol
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 31, 2010, 07:52:00 PM
You guys are too good. :(

We should really do some 3v3.

PD = Zerg
Optimo = Terran
Me = Protss
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on July 31, 2010, 08:44:37 PM
Stopped a guys Zerg rush by blockading my base entrance with Supply Depots and SCVs to repair them and he accused me of hacking.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Raban on August 01, 2010, 12:06:00 AM
Stopped a guys Zerg rush by blockading my base entrance with Supply Depots and SCVs to repair them and he accused me of hacking.

Terran defense :rock
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2010, 04:26:54 AM
Stopped a guys Zerg rush by blockading my base entrance with Supply Depots and SCVs to repair them and he accused me of hacking.
:rofl  :'( (on one hand it's sad to hear of terran on zerg oppression, but on the other hand I can't help but laugh at noobs)

btw dude you were right about the campaign. It's absolutely amazing so far. The first mission was boring as hell, and even though I knew it was just the first tutorial mission it really left a sour taste in my mouth for being boring. But everything else is great. I'm playing on brutal mode lol. I've done about 6 missions or so.

Definitely love the adventure game aspect of it, and being able to choose side/main missions. It's all brought together by great in-game cinematics to flesh out the story and characters, which are interesting.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 01, 2010, 06:57:26 AM
Yeah, I'm enjoying the campaign as well. The scenarios all strain credibility hugely (You have 15 minutes before the bomb explodes! First, you'll need to build a dozen SCVs, then 3 or 4 Supply Depots...) but they're consistently inventive. The urge to replay them and do better is really high. I'm still playing on Normal 'cause I can't remember much about SC, but I could see going back and doing the harder levels.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2010, 12:35:42 PM
Ha yea. Especially for someone used to hardcore multiplayer, it's pretty funny how smallbore things are in single player. I'm used to pumping out workers and massing units, but if you do that in single player the time limit can fuck you. I'm like dudes, you said I had 20 minutes, lemme macro tthnxbye  :lol

also, Raynor has a huge ass battlecruiser. Why can't he help out the guys on the ground more!
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: BlackMage on August 01, 2010, 01:25:39 PM
I'm not very good but if ya'll want to group up let me know I'm always down.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2010, 07:28:00 PM
Finally getting around to watching the King of the Beta semifinals; I watched the first two games of Idra vs QXC, and the first Tester vs IntoTheRainbow game

If I played like Idra in platinum/diamond 1v1 I'd get owned all the damn time. I haven't seen many Idra vs protoss games, but it seems like all his games vs terran boil down to early expansions, and 8min later he still doesn't have a good force. If someone attacks him early he's in trouble. If you let him macro it's game over.

I like getting early expansions too, but I try to have some units to deal with early pressure. Like if I'm playing Optimo, I know he's going to put crazy pressure on me early. Pumping pure drones isn't going to work. So getting speedling upgrade asap becomes very important, and a spine crawler at the expansion.

Then when the big unit push comes, you gotta be ready. I've only seen a couple games where Idra was rushed, and he had problems with it lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 01, 2010, 08:48:20 PM
Saw em last night. Idra/QXC was disappointing, but IntoTheRainbow/Tester and the finals both produced some incredible games.

Don't click this until you finish the rest of the tournament. Big spoilers

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Idra is a BEAST. As pleased as I am to see players prod him out of his comfort zone, I'm almost just as pleased to see him show that he IS capable of varying his style without failing terribly. I also don't think people can say Terran mech is OP anymore with Idra taking out both TLO and QXC with relative ease.

Here are some nerdgasm moments that I can remember:

-Tester repeatedly blocking Idra into his own base
-IntoTheRainbow holding off Tester's attack on Blistering Sands
-Tester's blink micro on Metalopolis
-IntoTheRainbow using banshees in TvP as a standard tactic

I know there were some other great moments but I was stoned when I was watching and can't remember half the games. Great tournament, though.
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 02, 2010, 04:34:56 PM
Yeah, I just watched the semifinals and finals. Good stuff.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on August 02, 2010, 11:31:51 PM
Went to the store today and had this in my hands but decided to put it back and continue to wait until the Protoss and Zerg expansions both come out.  As much as I want to play some more SC, I'm having a hard time justifying buying 1/3 of a game.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 02, 2010, 11:53:34 PM
Went to the store today and had this in my hands but decided to put it back and continue to wait until the Protoss and Zerg expansions both come out.  As much as I want to play some more SC, I'm having a hard time justifying buying 1/3 of a game.

Starcraft II is 1/3 of a game in the same way Star Wars is 1/3 of a movie. :P
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 03, 2010, 12:00:40 AM
Hey, didn't know you were back! Congrats on getting the game out. It rocks.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on August 03, 2010, 12:00:53 AM
Yeah, we'll see how long I can hold out.  God knows I'm weak when it comes to shit like this.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 03, 2010, 12:02:51 AM
Yeah, we'll see how long I can hold out.  God knows I'm weak when it comes to shit like this.

I haven't even played the SP besides the first mission, but it seems everyone in here loves it -- at least the gameplay aspect.

MP is, well, the same deal as the original -- just better.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on August 03, 2010, 12:46:52 AM
Shacknews' review put it well:
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/64975

Quote
This campaign is huge and completely worthy being presented as the first offering of the StarCraft II trilogy. I don't know if I would have been able to handle 90 missions all at once, nor would I have wanted 10 missions for each race in the game and each expansion.

Got a completely awesome Nydus/Hydralisk win tonight. When the guy saw a ton of Hydralisks in his base he just said "Ok. I. Lose."
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2010, 01:25:09 AM
I'd definitely agree with the point made in the article. So far the Terran campaign is impressive and long enough to justify the split. I wouldn't want to be swamped with 90 missions immediately, which would have led to more delays of the game's release - and I certainly wouldn't want 10-12 missions for each race, which would simply shrink the scope of the game.

I wonder if they'll add new units in the next two expansions/games
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Brehvolution on August 03, 2010, 08:54:10 PM
A friend at work gave me a trial code so I'll hit you guys up later in the week.  :-*
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2010, 12:18:29 AM
Blizz put the game on my original Battle account finally, so I have new info:

PhoenixDark 759
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: DJ_Tet on August 05, 2010, 01:43:22 AM
I'm looking forward to the expansions as a way to get into the other two races.  Hopefully they will both have the polish that the terran campaign has had so far.  Awesome game.

How much do you guys think the expansions will be?  $40 a piece?
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2010, 11:20:56 AM
Hopefully $40. And I wonder if they'll add new units

I wonder who you'll play in the Zerg expansion. Kerrigan? And regardless, will you be flying around in a giant Overlord?  :lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2010, 02:03:23 AM
Idra going INSANE

[youtube=560,345]IP_ASm0XvvA[/youtube]
:rofl

Husky posted the second video first accidentally
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 07, 2010, 02:00:56 PM
Apologize for playing that race :rofl
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: BlackMage on August 07, 2010, 03:22:44 PM
so i played my first league game and basically won 3v1 in 3v3. One teammate dropped and the other holed up to thor rush but i killed all 3 before he could do anything  :lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on August 07, 2010, 08:49:16 PM
Doing pretty well with Terran MMM.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: TEEEPO on August 08, 2010, 03:10:45 PM
that's great :)
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2010, 05:15:52 PM
Suffered three ugly losses in a row today - two against toss, one against terran. Next game was against zerg and I won handily; burrow upgrade roaches beat muta/ling every time lol.

In a somewhat odd funk. I've got my early build order down, but I kinda freestyle past 20 food. Some things need to be done asap, like getting an Overseer the second you get a lair. I actually got taken out by a dumb DT rush in one of my toss games today.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 09, 2010, 12:46:14 AM
I've stolen quite a few of IntoTheRainbow's openers and strats with great success. The 2 marine + 1 marauder + 1 hellion push that he does in TvP is especially nasty.

Any of you guys doing the GAF tournament? I signed up but I've been suckin anus lately so I dunno how I'll do. I hope I don't get paired up with Valenti, cuz I hate TvT and he beat me pretty soundly the one time we played
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 09, 2010, 01:03:58 AM
You'll probably be able to run everything on medium or high
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2010, 05:46:31 PM
I should have signed up for the tournament lol

Although I've been sucking lately. Having trouble with that first push from toss and terran, surprisingly. Maybe I'm focusing too much on drones or something, but my unit production is sucking
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 09, 2010, 06:53:48 PM
Yeah I was never good at knowing when I should be droning past the first couple of minutes. I suppose that like everything else you just develop a sense for it as you play more, but it's still way different than Protoss and Terran
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 09, 2010, 07:07:44 PM
Yeah that's definitely the problem I have with playing Zerg. That, and microing Queens.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on August 09, 2010, 08:58:13 PM
Yeah I was never good at knowing when I should be droning past the first couple of minutes. I suppose that like everything else you just develop a sense for it as you play more, but it's still way different than Protoss and Terran

Get Hydralisks. Nydus network. Put them up your opponents ass. WE HAVE WORM SIGN.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2010, 09:24:41 PM
Overlord drops are also pretty boss. I like them more than Nydusing. I remember during the early beta when a Nydus took 5 seconds to build  :lol :bow
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 10, 2010, 10:58:54 AM
Outsiders fan?
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2010, 02:19:32 AM
Finished the king of the beta finals holy shit
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Amazing play by Idra.  Completely dominated one of the best terran and toss players. His macro is simply amazing, and the last game showed him handling an early Zealot rush pretty damn well. Amazing

Every time I see Idra I want to test shit lol
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 12, 2010, 08:12:46 PM
Man I love this game. I can get my ass handed to me to the point where I'm throwing my Dr. Pepper across the room and yelling/whining at the top of my lungs in impotent nerdrage, but I'm ready for more of the same by the time I get home from work the next day. I take back everything bad I ever said about Blizzard. I still have my gripes with the new Battle.net, and as of now I still think SC:BW was more exciting, but that's really about it. This is totally worth all the time and money I pissed away on WoW for all those years

:bow Blizzard :bow2
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 12, 2010, 09:41:29 PM
I really need to start playing more. Gotta maintain at least gold league.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: fistfulofmetal on August 14, 2010, 12:31:15 AM
nexus wars is pretty boss. got my build order down.

but basically. spam banglings and you win
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 14, 2010, 12:41:11 AM
Try Battlecraft if you like that
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 14, 2010, 05:02:41 AM
What do you guys think about Day9's new approach to videos, using a daily vblog type set up, mixing replays with lots of discussion on the game in general. I'm watching one for the first time. It seems like an introduction video to new players but also has some great discussion for more experienced players as well. Not a fan of him constantly pausing the video to make points though.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: fistfulofmetal on August 14, 2010, 09:24:45 AM
Man, I'm having trouble beating that mission after you choose to
spoiler (click to show/hide)
destroy the platform or the tunnels.  I destroyed the platform.
[close]
Now I just keep getting my ass kicked over and over again and on normal.  :(

edit: oh you said the mission after


In that case... three bunkers on the left and right. fill em with each with four marines and 1 marauder with 3 siege tanks in arty mode behind.  and have 4 scv's protecting the bunkers. that should hold off most the zerg. for the nydas worms, spam battlecruisers. you'll need around 10 or so to be safe. that's also for Kerrigan. all of them attacking her will mop her up quick. make a few banshee's around your base to attack the worms that pop up in your base
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 14, 2010, 01:59:48 PM
What do you guys think about Day9's new approach to videos, using a daily vblog type set up, mixing replays with lots of discussion on the game in general. I'm watching one for the first time. It seems like an introduction video to new players but also has some great discussion for more experienced players as well. Not a fan of him constantly pausing the video to make points though.
I was thinking the other day that he should just designate certain days of the week for certain skill levels, but that would probably be too much work. I'm alright with it. Like you said, he covers so much ground that every player watching should walk away with new ideas about something. I just listen to the video in the background and go click around on forums for like 20 seconds when he pauses the video and switches over to to himself lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 14, 2010, 02:13:52 PM
same here lol

Lost my first two games today. First to a cheap zerg rush; that's pretty much the only time I lose to zerg, and I rarely bother to 6-10pool to stop a rush because that's boring imo. Then I got raped by 5 gateway toss. I managed to beat back his first few attacks but just couldn't hold on, too much pressure; I expanded early, but even if I didn't I doubt I could have held him back off one base.

Third game was against terran which I won. Early factory/hellion harass but I managed to deal with it pretty well; I got the towers and moved my speedlings in his direction whenever I saw him coming. Game eventually came to Brood Lords against tanks lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 14, 2010, 02:46:38 PM
I played two games where my opponent was favored -- went 1-1. Holding my own in Gold, woo.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 15, 2010, 12:58:43 AM
Optimo and I finally finished our 5 placements in 2v2. Plat :rock
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 15, 2010, 03:48:50 AM
I played my first round in that GAF tourney today, too. I didn't have a single good game, but I still managed to go 3-0. I have plenty of competition in this tourney, though
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 15, 2010, 04:03:48 AM
It feels way too good to beat people in placement matches. I played a random 3v3 and my two teammates got pretty much wiped out. One saved like 10 zealots and just held them in my base. I had built up a pretty decent ground force that had helped save the other teammate from total annihilation from voids. So I sent it, and I just wiped out ALL three bases.

Then one of the guys on my team was like "you want to play, you're good" so I played one 2v2 where the other team quickly disconnected but then the second match had to be the most epic SC2 match I've had. It was pretty much 2 v 1+marines, but I just managed to out macro and starve out the other team. My army was almost ALL stalkers the entire time. A few colossi and immortals and sentries and zealots and DTs, but like 85% stalkers. I blinked the fuck out of them.

I can upload the replay file somewhere if you guys want to check it out. It was amazing, omg.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2010, 04:08:06 AM
Playing against toss is a great way to practice micro as a Zerg lol. Not long ago I'd just attack Zealot/Stalker armies straight up with my Speedlings/Roaches during the first push; problem was that the Speedlings would rush to their deaths on the front line against the Zealots. Instead of needlessly wasting Speedlings, I separate my army: Roaches in front to take the brunt of the Zealot attack, then whip the Speedlings around to the back and surround the Stalkers. Once that's set up I can focus on micro'ing the Roaches against the Zealots.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 15, 2010, 04:13:35 AM
Yeah, that sounds solid.

Anyway, here's the link.

Edit: Crap that wasn't it lol

http://somewhatmanlynerd.com/misc/High%20Orbit.SC2Replay

My avg APM in the match was 40 lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Raban on August 15, 2010, 01:03:24 PM
Man, I'm having trouble beating that mission after you choose to
spoiler (click to show/hide)
destroy the platform or the tunnels.  I destroyed the platform.
[close]
Now I just keep getting my ass kicked over and over again and on normal.  :(

edit: oh you said the mission after


In that case... three bunkers on the left and right. fill em with each with four marines and 1 marauder with 3 siege tanks in arty mode behind.  and have 4 scv's protecting the bunkers. that should hold off most the zerg. for the nydas worms, spam battlecruisers. you'll need around 10 or so to be safe. that's also for Kerrigan. all of them attacking her will mop her up quick. make a few banshee's around your base to attack the worms that pop up in your base

this is the exact same advice I got from a friend when I asked him the same question. Have yet to try it though, been leveling my DK.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 15, 2010, 05:51:02 PM
I'm expecting some Terran nerfs and/or Zerg buffs in the near future. Lots of fuss about one base Terran having too many options for pressuring Zerg in the early game, which I suppose is true; the main reason it's my favorite match-up is precisely because of how many aggressive openers Terran has to choose from. On the other hand, it's not like Zerg players haven't had success in tournaments with a bunch of Terran competition, so I dunno. Dimaga is threatening to change to Terran because of this perceived imbalance. Sheth, another top Zerg, has switched to Terran as well
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 15, 2010, 06:17:16 PM
And Idra has been bitching :lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 15, 2010, 06:37:53 PM
Yeah him and another Zerg named LaLuSh have been pretty vocal since like phase 1 of beta, but the difference now is that all these other top Zerg players are abandoning ship.

I have this uncanny knack for accidentally picking the "overpowered" race, class, or character in so many games. This same thing happened to me in WoW with hunters and rogues, with the "BM is overpowered!" and the "Explosive Shot is overpowered!" and the "HARP is overpowered!" and the "WotF is overpowered!" and the "Mutilate is overpowered!" ughhhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 15, 2010, 06:55:45 PM
Yeah, accidentally.  ::)
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 15, 2010, 07:07:31 PM
lol

spoiler (click to show/hide)
You're actually partly right :shh People were calling PvP rogues OP long before I started playing one
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2010, 12:30:12 AM
nerf mauraders
nerf tanks
nerf medivacs
nerf vikings

Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: cubicle47b on August 16, 2010, 08:37:29 AM
Terran Mech vs. Zerg during the midgame.  /sadface
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 16, 2010, 09:26:00 AM
I apologize for playing my race :gloomy
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: cubicle47b on August 16, 2010, 09:50:41 AM
Bring back Lurkers.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2010, 02:43:35 PM
I apologize for playing my race :gloomy

You have no self respect
Title: Why we can't have nice things
Post by: Mandark on August 16, 2010, 05:04:52 PM
A friend watched a replay of a FFA match I played.

"WTF?  This guy calls you a Jew."

"Really?"

Sure enough, he rewinds and when I'm in someone else's base with mutalisks, the guy says something like "you're safe blue, red is being a jew and won't leave me alone".

"That's amazing!  How'd he know I was Jewish?" says I.

"I don't think that's how he meant it" says my friend.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Raban on August 17, 2010, 12:31:01 AM
Just beat the campaign. So fucking good. Easily my personal GOTY. Who the fuck do we play as in Heart of the Swarm though? I detect a prequel.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on August 17, 2010, 02:13:02 AM
nerf mauraders
nerf tanks
nerf medivacs
nerf vikings



I don't have a problem with Vikings as either Toss or Zerg. Banshees are more annoying.
Title: Re: Why we can't have nice things
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2010, 10:07:13 AM
A friend watched a replay of a FFA match I played.

"WTF?  This guy calls you a Jew."

"Really?"

Sure enough, he rewinds and when I'm in someone else's base with mutalisks, the guy says something like "you're safe blue, red is being a jew and won't leave me alone".

"That's amazing!  How'd he know I was Jewish?" says I.

"I don't think that's how he meant it" says my friend.

stop...hoarding your character info and post it dammit
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 18, 2010, 07:27:53 PM
If you were running the beta fine then you'll be good. I dunno about campaign specifically because I still haven't played too much of it
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 19, 2010, 12:50:53 AM
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145398

First day of games from the Germany tournament
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2010, 01:05:25 AM
Ha, Day9 there doing the cast. Must be awesome getting to travel around announcing for videogames
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2010, 11:40:12 PM
Won two games in a row against terran and finally advanced to diamond league :rock

First game featured a Thor/SCV rush. Luckily I went went fast Roach, but the Thor was dicing them pretty easily. I almost broke my computer after I watched 6 Roaches go down to the Thor, with just 3 SCVs on him (I killed like 10 to get to that point). Finally I managed to take it down and the guy ragequit

Second game was pretty epic. I managed to catch his MMM/tank army unseiged a couple times, but after that I knew he'd just build more tanks and destroy me eventually. So I went Brood Lords; they popped just after his army took out mine (Hydra/Roach/Infestor). Never seen someone build so many damn tanks lmao, but they were useless against Brood Lords so I won.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 20, 2010, 12:22:17 AM
Nice.

Really the only games I've played lately have been with my friend. Who is totally fucking awful. And I just want to kill myself when I play with him.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 20, 2010, 01:01:59 AM
lmao I know the feeling

I'm starting to think Real ID is a bad idea. Couple buddies from WoW got SC2 and they're horrible. Now every time I get on, they want to do 3v3.

"so you gonna wall us in?
"huh? oh hell nah"
"uhh..ok"

Then one of them constantly lifts his Command Center and flies to an island or expansion protected by rocks so he won't be attacked  :'(
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: fistfulofmetal on August 20, 2010, 08:41:37 AM
yesterday my friends and i did an awesome 4v4

(us)terran terran protoss terran vs. (them)zerg zerg protoss terran

we pulled reaper harass and the protoss went 2 gate and harass with zealots. basically cheesed these dudes until they left. really awesome
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 21, 2010, 10:40:27 AM
I'm pretty sure I have you added. It just doesn't tell you that someone has added you unless they message you

yesterday my friends and i did an awesome 4v4

(us)terran terran protoss terran vs. (them)zerg zerg protoss terran

we pulled reaper harass and the protoss went 2 gate and harass with zealots. basically cheesed these dudes until they left. really awesome
I still haven't done 4v4, either. Is the map bigger than what they use for 3v3?
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 21, 2010, 12:45:55 PM
I'm pretty sure I have you added. It just doesn't tell you that someone has added you unless they message you

Yeah, I think I probably added you too, Business. The friend system is just fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 21, 2010, 01:16:56 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68H8FeZHkWg[/youtube]

Hey it was stacking mutas against Terran bio that saved Zerg in BW, so maybe it'll be spreading them out against Terran mech that saves Zerg in SC2. Maybe not, but it's still pretty cool
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 21, 2010, 05:39:09 PM
:(

Practice league is shit, man. It doesn't prepare you at ALL.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: fistfulofmetal on August 21, 2010, 06:51:49 PM

I still haven't done 4v4, either. Is the map bigger than what they use for 3v3?

def.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2010, 09:22:12 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68H8FeZHkWg[/youtube]

Hey it was stacking mutas against Terran bio that saved Zerg in BW, so maybe it'll be spreading them out against Terran mech that saves Zerg in SC2. Maybe not, but it's still pretty cool

I seriously doubt that would work in a combat situation but I'll try it.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 21, 2010, 09:34:31 PM
Idra did it in one of his games against a Terran called Sarens in that IEM tournament, and then I actually had a Zerg do it to me on Metalopolis just earlier. I think it's noticeably more efficient against someone playing heavy mech with few marines.

I'm just excited all these cute little tricks are being discovered already. I've also noticed more Zerg players doing stuff like throwing down an Infested Terran or two to draw early fire from a line of siege tanks and allow a few more seconds for their army to push
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on August 21, 2010, 11:36:52 PM
The multi vs Thor does work.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 22, 2010, 02:20:35 AM
Optimo and I just ran over some people tonight, but it seemed like ladder ranking was borked.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 22, 2010, 12:04:19 PM
[youtube=560,345]bGQnnMvlAPQ[/youtube]
"I want you to take this time and reflect on how bad you are"  :lol

spoilers (lol)
spoiler (click to show/hide)
As a Zerg player I do feel like the Terran are overpowered against us, but I couldn't help but think Idra's bitching was misplaced throughout the game. A poorly placed Zerg or Protoss army is going to lose to a Terran army any day of the week. That's not imbalance, it's stupidity on the part of the Zerg or Protoss player. Especially on Kulas Revine.

Idra gets so frustrated with Terran that he doesn't think things through. He spent a lot of time wasting units charging Planetary Fortresses, bunkers, tanks etc. Using a Nydus behind the expansions would have ended the game much faster. Going Brood Lord earlier would have ended the game faster. etc.

When something isn't working against Terran you have to switch it up. Likewise if something is barely working against Terran, you better switch it up. I've lost more than a few games where I've beaten back a mech ball a couple times, only to be swamped the third or fourth time due to twice as many tanks showing up.
[close]
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 22, 2010, 12:44:15 PM
:rofl

I think he still probably would have won if he didn't suicide all of his ultras at around 4:00 of part 3

edit: Wow maybe not. The 250mm cannon on thors is ridiculous :lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 22, 2010, 03:20:05 PM
Optimo, why'd you have to rage quit? Shit, you had a lot of money when you quit, I could've used it up quick.

I would've used it to tech-switch to phoenixes.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 22, 2010, 03:51:45 PM
How much did I have? I don't think I had more than 1k, and I had been spending that much on each production cycle trying to keep that Terran off my gold. It was about to fall when I left though, and that was my only source of income. Just wasn't feeling too optimistic, and I also played poorly since the start. Maybe I'm wrong and we could have won.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 22, 2010, 06:35:29 PM
Also, I had a bunch of money I could have given you guys in that 4v4. You just quit too easily. No heart, Optimo, that's while you'll never be a champ.

After you guys left I rolled over a shitload of their stalkers with my immortal/stalker mix.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 22, 2010, 06:41:30 PM
:rofl Maybe I'm just not good at gauging my chances in anything but 1v1.

I had to go play my games for the GAF tournament anyway, which I won 3-1. It looks like mostly just diamond players are left as we head into the quarterfinals, and I'm seeded to play valenti next week
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 22, 2010, 10:49:17 PM
Everytime I play Optimo I feel like I'm in the presence of a hot chick: stumbling and stuttering and shit. No homo  :-\

I've had success recently against Terran, but when I play Optimo it's like derp derp
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 22, 2010, 11:09:55 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 22, 2010, 11:41:56 PM
So then playing with Optimo is like finally getting with that hot chick and she's just not into it.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 23, 2010, 12:56:36 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 23, 2010, 01:15:21 AM
 :lol :'(

now I know what will happen if I ever met Electrikluv irl
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 23, 2010, 10:53:20 PM
Got spanked by 0-3 valenti :gloomy My macro could have been better, but I mostly just got outplayed.  I need practice with TvT
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: fistfulofmetal on August 23, 2010, 11:32:56 PM
i think i may have found my strategy
still need top work on it a bit
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Homemade Milk on August 27, 2010, 02:36:18 AM
terran player reporting in
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2010, 02:39:44 AM
Lost my first four games in a row tonight; two against terran, two again toss. I've never been more down on my gameplay than right now lol. I expect to lose to terran, don't really care about that, but the toss games were so sad it was pathetic. Saw the 4 gate pushes building, including one guy that went straight Zealots for the first 6 minutes of the game but I still lost. Usually I see toss going 2-4 game and say fuck it and expand. Tonight I tried one basing all my games until like 30 food, never worked. Sure I beat back the initial army, but I couldn't hold on. oh well

Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on August 27, 2010, 02:40:07 AM
terran player reporting in

Play PD. He'll love you.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Homemade Milk on August 27, 2010, 02:44:16 AM
PD add me my ign thing is crumpit and my number is 578 gogo
also, i assume you play zerg? have you read about the massive rages at the zerg sc2 forum?
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on August 27, 2010, 02:51:52 AM
Zerg players on the forum are massive crybabies who need to learn counters.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2010, 03:02:19 AM
added you to the first post, Homemade Milk.

Yea Mana, I don't want to sound like I'm bitching about underpowered units. I've just lost my marbles or something because I'm sucking right now. Toss haven't given me problems in ages, so losing two games to them tonight really convinced me something is wrong with my play.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on August 27, 2010, 03:10:06 AM
Work the challenges. They help a lot.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2010, 03:03:18 PM
Quote
Greetings, citizens of the Koprulu sector! StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty is celebrating its one-month anniversary and we’re extremely excited to witness the amazing community that’s come together around the game. To that end, we want you to know we are hard at work on the first feature and balance patch, and expect to have it completed and available by the middle of September. Patch 1.1 will contain a number of improvements including additional mod features, Editor improvements and bug fixes, some custom game improvements, support for NVIDIA’s 3D Vision, and more. We'd also like to share some specific plans for this patch with you.

To begin, we've heard a lot of feedback from our global community about standardized hotkey options. We're happy to announce that in patch 1.1 we are going to make the Standard (US) and Standard for Lefties (US) hotkey options available in all regions.



Balance Changes

We have several balance changes in store. One general change we're making is that friendly units will no longer provide vision after being killed. Enemy units previously revealed will no longer be targetable. Now let's break down the additional balance changes we're implementing.



Maps

We're going to be adding destructible rocks to the Desert Oasis map to make natural expansions easier to protect. In addition, the center map watchtower area is being narrowed.

Protoss

We have two key changes in mind for the zealot: the build time is being increased from 33 to 38 seconds, and the warpgate cooldown is being increased from 23 to 28 seconds. Zealot rushes are currently too powerful at various skill levels, particularly those that rely on rapidly assaulting an enemy base from nearby "proxy" gateways. We feel the window players have to scout for and fend off this rush is too small. We also want to address the problem of protoss being able to dump minerals a bit too quickly with the combination of warpgates and Chrono Boost.

Terran

There are several changes in the works for terrans. Reapers against zerg are stronger than expected. Due to the zealot build time increase, reapers would be a bit problematic in combination with proxy barracks, bunkers, and/or marauders against protoss. Therefore, we have decided to increase the build time of reapers as well from 40 to 45 seconds. Fast reaper + bunker, or fast marine + bunker rushes are problematic against zerg. Although this rush would never outright destroy the zerg player, we feel zerg suffers too much of a disadvantage from either having to cancel the fast expansion, or getting trapped inside the main base for too long, so we are also increasing the bunker build time from 30 to 35 seconds.

Siege tanks in large numbers are performing too well in all matchups. In the mid- to late-game, siege tanks are too dominant against all ground units. We want a small set of light and unarmored ground units to perform better against siege tanks. With this in mind, we're changing the Siege Mode damage of the siege tank from 50 to 35, +15 vs. armored; to correspond with this, damage upgrades will be changed from +5 to +3, +2 vs. armored. This change reduces the base damage of the siege tank against light and unarmored units, as well as the splash damage.

Battlecruisers currently lack good counters from the ground and still perform very well against a wide array of unit types. We're aware that it is not easy to get battlecruisers out for the cost, but at the same time, it is possible in both 1v1s and team games to create stalemate situations to bring them out. Overall, we feel that battlecruisers are too strong for their cost, and the terran-forced stalemate situations are causing less interesting gameplay. We will be lowering their damage against ground units from 10 to 8.

Zerg

Ultralisk damage is being decreased from 15, +25 vs. armored to 15, +20 vs. armored. This reduction is comparable to the changes being made to the battlecruiser and siege tank. Like the battlecruiser, ultralisks are simply too powerful for the cost, even though they are difficult to muster. Also, in combination with other units, ultralisks are difficult to counter from the ground. The ultralisk building attack (Ram) is being removed because the damage rate is too similar to its normal attack, which will be used against buildings instead. When ultralisks target tightly packed smaller buildings such as supply depots, the Ram attack is actually outputting considerably less overall damage than its normal attack, as Ram only hits a single target.



And Beyond...

We are reading your posts on the forums and creating lists of features and bugs to address in future patches. We have mid- to long-term plans to further evolve the Custom Game experience, and soon, enhance our social features with the addition of chat channels. We will be sharing more specific information in the coming weeks. As with all of our previous games, we will support StarCraft II for many years to come. Your feedback and participation is critical in making this not only the best game it can be, but also the most engaged gaming community in the world. We look forward to the implementation of patch 1.1, as well as sharing our plans for our future gameplay and Battle.net features.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/554901

Tanks nerfed finally, thank fucking god. :bow

I'm not toss player, but increasing Zealot build times seems ridiculous. It's not over powered unless you're a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, ie no Roaches if you're Zerg or not walling in if you're Terran
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Post by: CajoleJuice on August 27, 2010, 03:27:33 PM
"Finally" in a few weeks, when the patch actually hits.

The zealot change is alright with me, and I think I'm the only Toss player here (even though I haven't played since the weekend and I'm not exactly a diamond player). I usually don't even make many zealots off the bat.
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Post by: OptimoPeach on August 27, 2010, 09:01:51 PM
Yeah these nerfs all look pretty good
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 28, 2010, 03:11:15 AM
I've lost like 10 of my last 14 games smh
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Post by: OptimoPeach on August 28, 2010, 01:51:00 PM
http://events.mlgpro.com/takeovers/procircuit/titles/starcraft?site_id=mlgpro

MLG semifinals
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Post by: ManaByte on August 28, 2010, 02:09:49 PM
Just won two EPIC 2v2 games with PD. Both Zerg. He handled air while I filled the map with Ultras.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 28, 2010, 02:11:04 PM
:bow

His Ultras were essentially immortal. Once I was slow to attack while he was, and his Ultras ran into a bunch of BCs and Hydras. They diced the Hydras and destroyed the Zerg players base before I could even get there :rofl

Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 28, 2010, 02:54:49 PM
Double Zerg is still pretty scary. They actually banned it in competitive play in BW lol
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 28, 2010, 06:07:20 PM
Wow the MLG finals were crazy

spoiler (click to show/hide)
HuK is amazing. Great one base macro, amazing micro with Stalkers
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 28, 2010, 07:56:15 PM
Got lots of ZvZs today, and none of them boiled down to rushes thank god. Lost one to Mutas, won one with Mutas, and pummeled another one with speedlings.

I hate when things boil down to who rushes Speedlings first. Boring as hell
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on August 28, 2010, 08:15:17 PM
I usually do well with Hydras and Nydus in ZvZ.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: GilloD on August 28, 2010, 09:26:40 PM
The single player is just a huge tutorial for the MP. It's all about being agressive and managing multiple groups of units. No turtling here
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Post by: ManaByte on August 28, 2010, 09:35:03 PM
Except there are lots of units in the campaign that you can't use in MP :(
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: DJ_Tet on August 29, 2010, 02:58:30 AM
Also the SP hasn't taught me shit about how to play as Zerg or Protoss (except for that small handful of missions.)

I'm looking forward to the expansions not just as a continuation of the story but more to get a handle on how to use the other two races.  Should be a lot of fun, I wonder how they will handle it.  I really like the little touches in this game, like the 8 bit loading screen when playing Lost Viking or the Protoss loading bars during the Protoss missions.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Homemade Milk on August 29, 2010, 08:06:01 AM
hmm, speaking of the "expansions", did they release information about if they were going to add new units with them? or just milk money out of us for more story?
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 29, 2010, 12:18:39 PM
Dunno. Will be interesting to see if Wings of Liberty will be compatible with the next expansion in multiplayer, or will they add new units, ladders, and other stuff to ensure you have to buy it in order to play online. 

In WoW you could still see and interact with Death Knights even if you didn't get WotLK. Soo would they allow you to play multiplayer against new units even if you didn't buy the new game? I'd imagine a patch would update the old game allowing you to see/interact with new units, just not be able to use them.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 29, 2010, 01:31:04 PM
[youtube=560,345]pHG40AdYfJ0[/youtube]
:rofl

:bow
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Post by: OptimoPeach on August 29, 2010, 03:27:10 PM
Omfg :lol
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Post by: CajoleJuice on August 29, 2010, 05:05:28 PM
that is awesome :rofl
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on September 03, 2010, 10:08:49 PM
Just bought my GOMtv ticket. (http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/premiumzone/Service.php) $20 for streaming quality that's gonna be mediocre at best is a total ripoff but IT'S A REALLY REALLY REALLY BIG STARCRAFT 2 TOURNAMENT IN KOREA OMFOGMFOMFGOFMG
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 04, 2010, 01:53:10 AM
I'm going to get to 4v4 random gold tonight if it kills me. I don't want to see anything lower than a gold on my profile page. /homo
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Homemade Milk on September 04, 2010, 02:51:16 AM
uh PD, you actually got my name wrong, its crumpit on the front page :|
bit of a misunderstanding there
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Post by: OptimoPeach on September 04, 2010, 06:53:53 PM
Man the GSL already seems almost on par with any of the proleague stuff for Brood War in terms of the production, the prize money, and the attention being drawn. This is crazy. It's gonna be awesome as the best Brood War players start playing. So much for SC2 not taking off in Korea
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 04, 2010, 07:42:38 PM
*waits for Terran nerf patch*
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on September 04, 2010, 08:15:35 PM
Yeah like I said, that patch is scary. I'm gonna have to rethink how I play TvZ without tanks. Muta baneling is suddenly terrifying, and it kinda reminds me of the dynamic TvZ had in Brood War. I personally am not too huge on tons of siege tanks in TvP, so I'll be alright there.

Oh and speaking of OP Terran:

http://imgur.com/EczTf.jpg

TvP has somehow become both my best and favorite match-up. The best part is I came up with the opener I use now myself, and it actually works (so far)!
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2010, 03:34:35 PM
lost 10 of my first 12 games yesterday, then lost some more throughout the day before getting a few cheap wins :fbm

nothing worse than going from 15 games above .500 to 5 games above .500
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2010, 05:09:11 PM
Let's talk Terran openers. 

fuck you!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:'( :'(
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Post by: ManaByte on September 08, 2010, 05:12:33 PM
Yes and as soon as you can get a SCV off to the side to build a new command center that you then fly over to your first expansions.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on September 08, 2010, 07:30:31 PM
Let's talk Terran openers.  Up until now I had been building a supply depot on my 10th SCV and then using my 11th to build my barracks (both blocking ramp) but was always hurting for money early in the game.  I just tried using my 9th SCV to build my supply depot and using the same one to build my first barracks after that supply depot was complete, and then after that my second supply depot.  I had way more money.  Should I stick with that?

The "standard" opener for Terran vs any race is 10 depot, 12 rax, 13 gas, 15/16 orbital command. You just queue up another SCV while you're supply blocked and still building your first depot so that your 12th SCV will build automatically once the depot is done, and then you use the SCV that just finished the depot to build your rax. If you're constantly producing SCVs, you should be at 15 food when your rax finishes, and then you'll have enough money to get a marine and an orbital command immediately. Second depot doesn't need to come until after the marine and OC.
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Post by: Pringo on September 09, 2010, 11:37:19 PM
Hey, a friend and I (along with some help from a post over on TL) figured out how to access all the VODs for the GSL with only a free account on GOM's site. I can post how to do it if anyone's interested. I don't know if anyone here cares about the GSL other than Optimo, and it looks like he already has the premium account.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on September 10, 2010, 06:09:47 PM
I'd like to know for next time lol. I don't want to pay again until I know that all the VODs are gonna be decent quality
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 10, 2010, 06:23:41 PM
I tried playing as T for the first time in a while in 4v4 last night and I was just distinguished mentally-challenged. I didn't know how to deal with probe harass. :rofl
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Pringo on September 11, 2010, 12:07:14 AM
I'd like to know for next time lol. I don't want to pay again until I know that all the VODs are gonna be decent quality

Hmm, it appears GOM found out about the exploit as it seems to have been patched. Too bad, I was hoping to get the rest of the tournament for free.

If you're looking for better quality VODs for the present however, some dude is posting the HD Korean videos to his YouTube account with the English language commentary added: http://www.youtube.com/user/maxijazzeee (http://www.youtube.com/user/maxijazzeee). The only issue with this is that the video follows the Korean commentators so sometimes the English commentary will be talking about stuff that looks to be off-screen. Also I'd bet on these videos getting taken down within a matter of days, but they're good for now.
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Post by: OptimoPeach on September 11, 2010, 01:07:42 AM
Nice, I was actually looking for that earlier when I wanted to link someone a game
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Post by: OptimoPeach on September 12, 2010, 01:06:32 AM
That one base battlecruiser+stim push in TvP that some of the Koreans have been doing is so awesome. Now I see why BC's are getting nerfed
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2010, 01:30:48 AM
just deleted terran from the game, blizzard

:fbm
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Post by: OptimoPeach on September 12, 2010, 04:03:50 AM
Don't block at your ramp in TvT so he can't hit anything in siege mode from outside of the choke. Stimmed marauders bust tanks, so definitely get stim early. You've just got to try to keep your units spread out and catch him out of position. Also, try to keep control of the watchtowers so you can see him coming and prevent him from setting up on you. TvT is kind of a weird match up because both players can do so much stuff, especially at the start

just deleted terran from the game, blizzard

:fbm
:lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on September 16, 2010, 08:34:43 PM
You have a higher ladder rating ("ladder points") than me :lol Does anyone know if that carries over when you get promoted?

I've been playing less cuz I'm killing myself trying to best my SM speedrun. I'm about ready to give up and come back to SC, but I want the patch to hit already
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Post by: CajoleJuice on September 16, 2010, 09:04:28 PM
I played some tonight for the first time in a while. My friend and I are getting pretty decent 2v2. We should be in gold any time now. We need to start up some 2v2 again, Optimo.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Brehvolution on September 16, 2010, 09:08:33 PM
I really wish I had the time you guys do to play. I played the shit out of Brood Wars back in the day.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on September 16, 2010, 09:25:10 PM
I play maybe 10 games a week now.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 17, 2010, 01:45:41 AM
WHY THE FUCK DID I KEEP ON PLAYING UNTIL I LOST GOD FUCKING DAMN IT FUCK THIS GAME I SHOULD HAVE WON THAT GAME EASILY

FUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

I WANT TO SMASH MY COMPUTER INTO A MILLION PIECES
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 17, 2010, 02:02:55 AM
Well ok I played again and beat another platinum player pretty handily (like I should have in the game before). I guess I'm high plat level now.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: WrikaWrek on September 17, 2010, 07:25:18 AM
I'm having a whole lot of fun with the SP i must admit, i love this game right now.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on September 17, 2010, 06:32:16 PM
Still haven't played all of the single player :-[ Feel kinda guilty. One day I will

WHY THE FUCK DID I KEEP ON PLAYING UNTIL I LOST GOD FUCKING DAMN IT FUCK THIS GAME I SHOULD HAVE WON THAT GAME EASILY

FUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

I WANT TO SMASH MY COMPUTER INTO A MILLION PIECES
:lol

Grats on platinum. Platinum to diamond is probably the easiest step up because there are so many scrubby diamond players.

I play maybe 10 games a week now.
Yeah I'm pretty much only playing on the weekends at this point. I have to get up at 4:30 in the morning during the week now, and I'm usually sick of sitting in front of a computer by the time I get home, so I'm really just not up for it on weeknights.

I don't think anyone here really cares about this, but a lot of huge names from SC:BW (JulyZerg, Nada, supposedly Boxer) are suddenly announcing their plans to pursue competition in SC2, which is AWESOME. I'm sure that it's at least due in part to how great the GSL has been so far
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Post by: CajoleJuice on September 17, 2010, 07:42:33 PM
Well, I'm not in platinum yet, but it seems that's who I get paired up against. Now even my friend and I are playing 2v2 platinum teams (and losing), but we're still in Silver. WTF

And I've only played one SP mission. :lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 19, 2010, 01:42:59 AM
Man, 1v1 gets me so worked up. I just manhandled a fellow toss player who was ranked 7th in his plat league, but it was still totally nerve-racking. I expanded pretty much right after I had built 4 gateways and not too soon after that he attacked with a sizable stalker force. He annoyed me a bit, but I had enough units (a mix of zealots, stalkers, and sentries) to keep him at bay. My economy was just rolling along and I should have built a few more gateways, but I built a forge to start upgrading and a twilight council to upgrade zealot speed. He then did a prism drop, which I took out ridiculously easy with barely any probes lost.

So then I rolled over to his base and just wiped him the fuck out with my 2 weapons upgrade and speedlots and guardian shields. He had only *just* expanded. Maybe I am a diamond 1v1 player, but I just haven't played enough 1v1 to get promoted out of gold yet lol.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on September 21, 2010, 06:43:07 PM
Yeah they changed a whole bunch of the icons
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Post by: CajoleJuice on September 21, 2010, 07:35:41 PM
Well shit, now I have to play tonight.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2010, 02:42:55 PM
Haven't played since the patch came out lol. I'll get on today
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Post by: CajoleJuice on September 22, 2010, 03:09:55 PM
Me neither. And I don't have time tonight.
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Post by: ManaByte on September 22, 2010, 03:41:17 PM
Haven't played since the patch came out lol. I'll get on today

We need to faceroll more people.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on September 28, 2010, 06:19:02 PM
:bow

I still really don't know how the promotion system works. Me and a friend got placed in gold 2v2 back when the game first came out, and we left it at like 11-3 or something. We played a bunch a few days ago and ended up getting it to 25-5, but it started matching us up with mid to high diamond teams (sometimes 1200+) around 16 or 17 wins. Last night we got matched up with (and destroyed by) a Terran and Protoss team that had the rank 1 player in my diamond division. We're still in gold. WTF IS THIS SHIT
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 28, 2010, 08:34:19 PM
My friend and I have been put against a bunch of diamond teams and we're in gold, too. It also says "even teams" when we face platinum teams...
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on September 29, 2010, 12:12:23 AM
I placed into Bronze in 1v1 and bootstrapped my way up to Diamond.  I was completely suffused with that warm, deluded feeling of false achievement that only videogames can give you.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on September 30, 2010, 07:42:28 PM
Ultralisks are terribly broken again. (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=156602) Seeing as Blizzard looks at the whole esports thing as a potential impetus for SC2's popularity, you think they'd be more careful about checking for inadvertent changes that are, ya know, fucking game-breaking -- especially if they're going to patch the game right before the finals of what is the game's biggest tournament so far. Shit happens, I guess.

I think the best part about this is that this change was intended as a fix for the ultra splash on buildings that was tweaked to OP-ness (haha oh penis) in the patch prior.

Oh yeah, the tournament:

I hope IntoTheRainbow takes the tournament. He's a Brood War Protoss -> SC2 Terran convert like me, and he was kinda unappreciated in the Brood War days, so I'm pulling for him
This was before retail, way back during Day[9]'s KotB tournament. Fast forward to today and IntoTheRainbow is one series away from taking the entire GSL after some of the most lopsided victories in an SC2 tournament that I've ever seen. Do I know how to pick em or what?

ALMOST hope his Zerg opponent takes the tournament to quell some of the balance tears, but that's probably not gonna happen if they don't fix ultras in time :lol :zergcry

edit: Btw I think I'm watching more SC than playing it at this point. It's like the BW days, only now I don't suck QUITE as much
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 01, 2010, 11:53:13 AM
Yesterday I diced a Terran army, then threw three Ultras and some cracklings on his Planetarty Fortress while it was being healed by mmm, 7 SCVs with one medivac. I started focusing on other stuff since hey, no need to watch ownage. I look back and the fortress is still standing, hasn't taken much damage, the SCVs haven't been splash damaged. jesus fuck

Perhaps the initial range of the patch was too much, but getting rid of it entirely is fucking ridiculous.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on October 01, 2010, 12:40:25 PM
No more Ultras for me in 2v2. Sigh. What now? Roach/Hydra rush?
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on October 01, 2010, 04:29:26 PM
They didn't ban enough hackers. Sick of starting a game to find a Thor in my base.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on October 01, 2010, 04:46:52 PM
Just played a game against a Toss player who had an ENTIRE base built when I scouted and had like 15 void rays. Are people hacking just to protest the bans?
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on October 01, 2010, 05:29:00 PM
They need to plug up the holes quickly or else the game won't be playable anymore.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on October 01, 2010, 05:42:12 PM
Fuck this shit. Just got Hydra rushed in the first minute.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 01, 2010, 05:54:12 PM
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on October 01, 2010, 06:10:28 PM
This guy messed up activating his hack thing because in chat he said 9ik9ik9ik9ik
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 01, 2010, 07:11:53 PM
Just report them. You can email them the replay somewhere too. Doubt people are gonna keep paying $60 for new copies of SC2 just so they can hack.

A few weeks back, some guy somehow managed to warp in immortals from warpgates by swapping in some code from alpha to make the option available. Apparently they never removed the code for the immortals on warp gates entirely, they just hid the option on warpgates :lol There were a bunch of replays and the guy actually ended up fessing up

btw, Boxer vs Idra :omg :omg

[youtube=560,345]r_RCBfSAHnM[/youtube]

edit: That creep spread is amazing. Totally worth a third queen. You can force so many scans to be wasted on creep tumors once it starts getting to mid like that. So annoying
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on October 01, 2010, 07:26:42 PM
Until they fix this shit I'm not playing anymore. Haven't won a match since the last patch and 4/5 of the games I played today were hackers cheating.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on October 01, 2010, 07:53:18 PM
Another stealth buff for Terrans to go with the Ultra nerf: Point Defense Drones now count as structures.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 01, 2010, 08:02:13 PM
Yeah but the only thing that affects as far as I know is high templars not being able to use feedback on them anymore. I think I'm okay with that since they can just as well feedback the raven, but yeah I dunno why they even decided to change it in the first place
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on October 01, 2010, 08:06:32 PM
Fungal growth, corruption, feedback, or neural parasite have no effect on them. Fucks Zerg over more.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 01, 2010, 08:12:20 PM
No more Ultras for me in 2v2. Sigh. What now? Roach/Hydra rush?

I haven't built many Roaches/Hydras lately, been playing around with speedling/muta builds. Can't find a decent counter for mass Thors though.

I haven't seen any hackers, I'll check for them tonight I guess.  :-\
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on October 01, 2010, 08:13:17 PM
Goodbye Zerg, Ultras now "WORKING AS INTENDED":
Quote
We did a little extra tracking on our end, and indeed, the Ultralisk bug existed at one point during the beta, so unfortunately, it's been around awhile and thus why many people thought it had been working as intended.

As it stands now, this unit is working as intended. As always though, we are continuing to keep a close eye on how this affects gameplay on multiple levels and will continue to watch for constructive feedback from the community.
:yuck :yuck :yuck :yuck :yuck :yuck
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 01, 2010, 08:19:57 PM
Ha I didn't know you could fungal growth it, and I've never once seen someone NP it before, but both are probably because there are better things to spend gas on in TvZ. I haven't seen a raven in TvZ since HSM wasn't a terrible, useless spell and TvZ was just marauder vs roach.

After seeing all the bugs that have popped up from the patch, I do wonder if it was even an intentional change. It's nowhere near as huge as the ultra thing. That's seriously ridiculous.

GSL finals are tonight. I'll post a free stream if someone puts one up

edit: WTF @ the above :rofl :rofl

Don't worry -- the thousands of nerds on TeamLiquid nerdraging in unison + IntoTheRainbow shitting all over the best Zerg player in the world should be enough for them to realize how bad ultralisks are now
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2010, 12:25:08 AM
glad i deleted terran from my game file
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 02, 2010, 12:28:13 AM
I actually can't find that anywhere on TeamLiquid or the Blizzard forums. $20 says it was some guy on GameFAQs trolling
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2010, 01:01:45 AM
I'm so behind in tournaments/pro play. Haven't watched anything lately
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on October 02, 2010, 01:58:07 AM
I actually can't find that anywhere on TeamLiquid or the Blizzard forums. $20 says it was some guy on GameFAQs trolling

It's on the front page of General discussion on the SC2 forums. First Blizzard response. 

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/791409599?page=5#96
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 02, 2010, 03:08:26 AM
Noooo
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 02, 2010, 03:35:04 PM
Meet your new Zerg god

(http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/GSL/Coolapple.jpg)

Will post VODs when they get uploaded somewhere. He just completely bitchslapped the entire Terran race, and it was awesome.

Ultras seemed fine to me btw

edit: http://www.youtube.com/user/lolforeignerzz#g/u

VODs here. Start at the bottom.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Corporal on October 02, 2010, 05:08:16 PM
That was a pretty onesided finale. It's eerie how the Fruit guy seems to know exactly what his opponent is up to at all times.

What a beatdown. Fun to watch though.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2010, 11:09:11 PM
Just watched the first two games. This guy is completely vicious. Looks far more flexible than Idra

smh @ all the fruit puns from the casters  :lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 02, 2010, 11:25:36 PM
Here are the other games from the tournament if you guys want to check them out: http://www.dailymotion.com/playlists/user/gslsc2

Can't remember all the great matches in specific, but any games from Tester/sSKS, Check, Idra, TheLittleOne, IntoTheRainbow/HopeTorture, FruitDealer/Cool/과일장수, Clide, PoltPrime, and MakaPrime should be good.

And yeah, FruitDealer is just cold blooded. I would have thought he was maphacking by the way he was catching all of those drops and stuff if I didn't know better
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2010, 02:27:52 AM
Finished the finals. Wow, Fruit looks amazing. Far from a passive zerg player. Idra has kind of been playing the same since the beta: heavy macro, mass unit, attack/counter. If you put pressure on him early he can fold. Fruit dealt with various forms of pressure quite well, and then put huge pressure on the opponent.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 07, 2010, 09:30:22 AM
Almost thinking about trying Zerg. I'd like to be able to play Random eventually, but Zerg macro is just so weird and different. Protoss looks like it would take about a day to learn, so I'm not too worried there.

But yeah, aggressive Zerg is badass
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 07, 2010, 12:44:19 PM
Protoss is very easy to get accustomed to. Either 4 gate or 3 gate robo - BAM you've learned it. And it's so fun to warp in units.

I could also see you being able to pull off Phoenix harass better than I ever could.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 07, 2010, 09:10:05 PM
Yeah I'm kinda glad I started playing Terran from the start, because I'd be overwhelmed at the insane amount of builds to choose from for them if I were just starting out.

I really llike Zerg's options in the late game, though. Nydus worms :drool I love that kind of sneaky play.

PD are you gonna play Cataclysm? I'm probably going to drop SC2 almost entirely for a while when the new Fallout comes out
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2010, 10:20:47 PM
Yup Cata heavy. But SC2 still will get plenty of time. Been busy this week tho
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 14, 2010, 08:07:26 PM
Quote
StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty – Patch 1.1.2

General

-Players will no longer receive achievement toasts while their status is set to "Busy."
-The messaging when attempting to load a saved game or replay from a previous version has been clarified
-Adjusted the amount of points earned and lost by random team participants to properly reflect the strength of a player's teammates.


Balance

PROTOSS
Buildings
-Nexus life and shields increased from 750/750 to 1000/1000.
Void Ray
-Damage level 1 increased from 5 to 6 (+4 armored).
-Damage level 2 decreased from 10 (+15 armored) to 8 (+8 armored).
-Flux Vanes speed upgrade bonus decreased from 1.125 to 0.703.
TERRAN
Buildings
-Barracks requirement changed from Command Center to Supply Depot.
-Supply Depot life increased from 350 to 400.
Medivac
-Acceleration reduced from 2.315 to 2.25.
-Speed reduced from 2.75 to 2.5.
Reaper
-Nitro Packs speed upgrade now has a Factory Requirement.
Thor
-Energy bar removed.
-250mm Strike Cannons is now cooldown-based on a 50-second cooldown. Ability starts with cooldown available (useable immediately after upgrade is researched).
ZERG
Buildings
-Hatchery life increased from 1250 to 1500.
-Lair life increased from 1800 to 2000.
-Spawning Pool life increased from 750 to 1000.
-Spire life increased from 600 to 850.
-Ultralisk Cavern life increased from 600 to 850.
Corruptor
-Energy bar removed.
-Corruption is now cooldown-based on a 45-second cooldown. Ability starts with cooldown expired (must wait for full 45-second cycle before usable).
Infestor
-Fungal Growth now prevents Blink.
Roach
-Range increased from 3 to 4.


Bug Fixes

-Fixed an issue where players could not cast the Feedback spell on Point Defense Drones.
-Fixed an issue where the Phoenix would continue to channel Graviton Beam after the target died.
-Fixed an issue that would cause Larvae to spawn and be hidden behind Zerg eggs.
-Fixed an issue where players were unable to navigate to the Single Player page or watch replays after canceling map downloads from the queue.
-Fixed a desync that could occur on user-created maps with custom mod dependencies.

Not a single change I can bitch about.

:bow Blizzard :bow2

edit: Okay, okay, the changes to further weaken reapers in the early game are stupid and unnecessary, but I rarely cheese these days and was never all that big on reapers to begin with, so still no real complaint from me here
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2010, 08:11:04 PM
Mauraders and Thors still in the game? smh
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 14, 2010, 08:18:54 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 14, 2010, 08:40:56 PM
Great changes

Haven't played in a while, but thank god voids were finally nerfed :lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2010, 07:17:23 PM
MLG finals on
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=Rigid

Idra v Select (terran)
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 16, 2010, 08:14:34 PM
How close was it? I watched a lot earlier but missed the finals

GSL Season 2 also starts on Monday
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: cubicle47b on October 16, 2010, 11:24:38 PM
Idra crushed Select in the finals.  Select looked pretty lost, TBH.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2010, 02:06:10 AM
Yea, Select looked completely out of his league against Idra. After shutting out HuK pretty convincingly. Hell, I thought he'd manage to frustrate Idra with pressure and ultimately win.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 17, 2010, 12:08:58 PM
Man Select got knocked into the losers' bracket right at the start so he won like 10 series to get there. Idra dominated pretty much everyone though. Interested to see if he can do better in GSL this time around, especially now that the competition is getting harder. I can't believe he's flying all over the world like this for SC :lol

Did anyone see the first game of Kiwikaki vs Idra? That thing with the warp prism was so badass
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 18, 2010, 03:38:37 AM
I want to see Idra v FruitSeller
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 18, 2010, 01:18:23 PM
Broke a nasty losing streak against a toss player. Against terran I go in expecting a tough loss or maybe a tough win, against zerg I go in expecting some bullshit that will cause me to lose, but against toss I go in expecting a cake walk. Unless they mass Cols without your knowledge, you pretty much know you're going to win.

14 pool 16 hatch on Scrap Station. Scouted him using chrono boost on his gateways so I expected a rush, but he came pretty late. I had two queens and some lings to handle it. Then he went Phoenixes and fucked me up a bit, but I had 3 queens at the time and quickly got 3 more. Wound up going Hydra/Roach/Infestor and losing to some High Templar nonsense (I wasn't paying attention and attacked his ramp/got roasted lol). He pushed but I had Ultralisks popping and quickly took him out.

The most potent toss build I've run into outside of mass Col/stalker was Phoenix/DT. That shit rocked my world  :lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 18, 2010, 08:05:49 PM
It's pretty crazy to think how far ultralisks have come from their state in the beta.

And I just happened to play some of my first real games in SC2 as Protoss last night. I'm comin for you :punch

edit: Btw the video quality for the GSL feeds this season is incredible! Earlier I got to watch Boxer's glorious arrival to SC2 in yummy HD while having my morning coffee
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Pringo on October 18, 2010, 11:13:37 PM
I didn't realize till today that the GSL is going to be split up to two different times per day. Now that they're airing matches at 9 PM here I'll actually be able to watch some of them live for the first time. Really sucks that this has to start the week I have five midterms to study for though.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2010, 02:05:46 AM
sc2>midterms get your priorities right good man

Saw Fruit Seller annihilate some dude. Then I saw some other zerg player embarrass himself lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2010, 02:33:57 AM
btw live stream of GSL day 2
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=Roffles

TLO is about to play


Schedule for rest of week:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=410502
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 20, 2010, 07:32:09 PM
Can't believe TLO got eliminated doing that shitty thor build. He should stick to that harass style that suits him so well

Seems like after that last patch that FE is going to become standard in TvZ, which is something I've already been playing with a little bit. It's funny -- I used to FE a shitton right at the start of beta, but then I started doing lots of one base play for a while because most of the maps in ladder were so dinky. Anyway, I dunno if I'm totally wrong here, but this is the closest the game has felt to being balanced since I've played. I guess we'll have a better idea after the coming GSL games

edit: Forgot to mention that the one bad thing about FE in SC2 is doing it on maps with a fucking back door. If you ever want a free win against me, pick Blistering Sands
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: cubicle47b on October 20, 2010, 09:28:19 PM
TLO's Thor build was awesome compared to the Hellion build that Clide used to eliminate himself.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 20, 2010, 09:43:56 PM
:lol Yeah I made that post before I got to watch that game. That was just awful. He's solid, but nowhere near as good as Tasteless and Artosis make it seem. Tournament favorite? looool
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 20, 2010, 09:54:29 PM
Wish I had more time to play. :(

And by that I wish I didn't watch every inning of playoff baseball.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on October 22, 2010, 09:00:15 PM
No Heart of the Swarm in 2011. Just confirmed at BlizzCon.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Raban on October 22, 2010, 10:30:58 PM
No Heart of the Swarm in 2011. Just confirmed at BlizzCon.

Need to make space for D3 mo'fucka!
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2010, 01:30:55 AM
No Heart of the Swarm in 2011. Just confirmed at BlizzCon.
:lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 23, 2010, 01:32:49 PM
I'm alright with that if it means D3 in 2011. It probably won't, but w/e. Thinking from the multiplayer angle, I dunno how well implementing new units within a year would go when high level play is still so raw and only just starting to take shape. I'm not eager to fork over another $60 to continue playing this online either, so the later the better for now

btw Boxer vs FruitDealer was epic, and anyone that missed it needs to check it out. I know this is some hardcore nerd shit here but I was getting goosebumps watching Boxer's micro when he was pushing across the map and his units were spread out and moving EXACTLY THE SAME as when he was microing his marines against the then-best Zerg in the world almost a decade ago. Remember when Don Draper was talking about the bond of nostalgia between a consumer and a product? He was right! They totally have me on the hook at this point and I don't even care

:bow Fan service :bow2
:bow Blizzard :bow2
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 23, 2010, 01:33:48 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Pringo on October 23, 2010, 02:08:11 PM
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163209 (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163209)

Hmm, already some big SCII progamer drama. Apparently the team WeRRa manager invited one of his players to his house and then tried to rape him while he was sleeping. The guy got out of there and told the rest of the team and now they're quitting WeRRa en masse. Looks like WeRRa's going to be gone pretty soon because of this.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 23, 2010, 02:27:29 PM
:lol HOLY SHIT

edit: Wow he's 16. This is like the high school football coach that molests his players in the locker room
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2010, 10:12:18 PM
I'll have to watch the Blizzcon matches tonight.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2010, 02:42:05 AM
[youtube=560,345]MKtjceMzHhM[/youtube]
watching now

So cool having Day9 and his brother Artosis casting together. Not a big fan of Artosis but he has his moments lol

edit: holy shittt  :lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 24, 2010, 01:27:31 PM
FruitDealer is a fucking animal, wow.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 24, 2010, 02:50:18 PM
The game on Metalopolis was even more insane if you didn't see

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nxNT4C9ys8[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dsrgRmKe_8[/youtube]

I actually think Artosis is the best like color commentary-type guy there is. I've heard him talking about stuff with Terran that I didn't even know about, and he tends to make a lot of good points in general. It's kinda crowded with three people though I think lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 24, 2010, 02:53:19 PM
I watched that one too

I couldn't believe FruitDealer expanding...
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 24, 2010, 04:19:54 PM
I think I'm gonna try to get better with both Protoss and Zerg. I'll be happy if I can get as good with Zerg and Protoss as I am with Terran now
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2010, 08:28:49 PM
Yea I saw that video. Watching Fruit Dealer as a zerg is like watching Joe Lewis as a black person in the 40s or whatever. So much pride  :american
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on October 24, 2010, 09:26:13 PM
Fruit Dealer taught me how awesome creep can be.  :american
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Pringo on October 24, 2010, 10:05:41 PM
Really sucks for FruitDealer that his compulsory military service period is apparently coming up pretty soon. It'll be incredibly hard for him to get back to the top after almost two years away without practice.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2010, 01:33:06 AM
Really sucks for FruitDealer that his compulsory military service period is apparently coming up pretty soon. It'll be incredibly hard for him to get back to the top after almost two years away without practice.

Wow that sucks. Boxer started a league while in the air force, maybe Fruit Dealer can do something like that. Still, it's a shame he might be leaving the pro circuit basically right as his dominance began.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2010, 03:04:02 PM
Catching up with GSL round of 32

Just saw Idra's first game.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Utter destruction of terran. God damn, the Muta play was godly. Nice Roach play in the second game. I've had some success with Roaches in mid/late game but I can't get it to work early, outside of rushes. Typically if I go Roaches I find myself getting behind
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CheckPrime looked great too.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 25, 2010, 07:42:35 PM
I just noticed Idra looks like Boogie
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2010, 02:18:37 AM
:fbm

gsl spoilerz
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Idra got destroyed wow. Some very interesting play though, especially the Overseer harass. I'm trying that next time I play ZvZ
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Personally I haaate ZvZ. Typically is a bullshit match of rushes and cheese, or if it's a standard game I wind up getting swamped.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on October 30, 2010, 04:46:56 AM
:rofl just had the most awesome ragequit.

I speedling rushed a toss player and he said "GOOD FUCKING GAME" before ragequitting. :rofl
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2010, 10:54:33 PM
Catching up with GSL round of 32

It's fun watching the top level play while the game is still relatively new and the strategies aren't set in stone.

Zerg seemed like it was at a big disadvantage, especially against Terran, then Fruit Dealer's all "let me explain how to play" and people start mimicking his early expansions and harassment defense (I know I did).

Then the next tournament, he gets beat by a player who probably isn't as good, but uses a different kind of early aggression than someone like HopeTorture.  Which is how it should be; an econ-heavy build should be risky and force you to make some tradeoffs.

Meanwhile, the only Zerg to win in the round of 16 outside of the mirror matches did it playing a really aggressive style, very different from FD.  I'm looking forward to the Kyrix vs. fake Boxer match cause they play so similar to each other, and differently from what was becoming the standard style.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2010, 02:10:35 AM
I watch most of the matches here; he uploads them after they stream which rocks for us people who can't stay up all night to watch the games.
http://www.livestream.com/tuski

Fruit Dealer is an amazing player, but 14hatch is so dangerous it was going to catch up with him sooner or later. It works on some maps like Scrap Station (against terran) but is rather tricky to pull off, especially when your opponent knows exactly what you're going to do. Can't wait to see how his game evolves. It's been fun watching Idra switch things up, given how stale his play style was during the beta and early phases of the game's release.


edit: had a long day, then came home and lost 5 games in a row. Came back a couple hours later and lost again, then some more. Went from 12 games above .500 to 2 games above .500. I always know I'm getting fucked when I get a bunch of ZvZ matches in a row. I just can't play that shit. It's either cheese or some bullshit, I'm horrible at it.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2010, 01:58:48 PM
gsl round of 8
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Kyrix v Fake Boxer might be the best SC2 set I've seen holy shit. Amazing micro from Fake Boxer, holy shit. Kryrix did some great stuff too, but at the same time I couldn't believe how one dimensional his play was at times. If you're getting micro'd to death by Marines, how do you NOT make Infestors? They could have entirely changed the outcome of the series. When he saw Banelings/Lings/Muta wasn't working, he went Roach which was a nice counter to mass Marine. But after that stopped being effective he kept throwing the same units against that micro mayhem. ggaahhhhrrrr
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2010, 12:52:28 AM
wow, the semi finals were insane
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Foxer completely decimated HopeTorture. I really expected a tough series considering how aggressive both players are, but Foxer was consistently steps ahead. After that series I really didn't think Foxer was beatable.

Then I watched the NesTea v Slayers_Boxer match. Wow, you don't see such a great player get manhandled and frustrated that easily.

Can't wait for the finals. Zerg v Terran, easily the best matchup in the game imo
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on November 06, 2010, 01:15:39 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Fake Boxer's builds are so crazy. Sad to see HopeTorture go, but I think TvT is probably his worst match-up.

And yeah, NesTea is pretty scary. I'm interested to see how he deals with that marine spam
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Title: I suck at this game now :(
Post by: OptimoPeach on November 08, 2010, 08:04:39 PM
edit: had a long day, then came home and lost 5 games in a row. Came back a couple hours later and lost again, then some more. Went from 12 games above .500 to 2 games above .500. I always know I'm getting fucked when I get a bunch of ZvZ matches in a row. I just can't play that shit. It's either cheese or some bullshit, I'm horrible at it.
Came into this thread to post almost the exact same thing and then remembered you already said it for me last week :lol Dropped from +15 to +6 or something embarrassing over the past ~30 games. Probably just a combination of me playing less, everyone else getting better, blah blah blah, but that doesn't make it any less frustrating.

It's times like this that have me missing when single player games not named Fallout could hold my attention for more than an hour :gloomy
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2010, 12:49:52 PM
So tired of ZvZ. Over the last four days I've only lost one game against zerg, but still. Basically all I've been doing is one base pushes with 20-22 Roaches; I make sure to have a couple Queens and spore colonies in my base to counter any Muta attacks. The mass Roach play has only lost once for me: on Jungle Basin which is too big a map to get away with the rush. Only thing you have to do is ensure your Roaches don't get surrounded: once I hit someone's base I try to position myself either between his buildings or mineral line in a phalanx or ball; if you rush in with your Roaches in single file, they get surrounded easily and can't do ranged damage.

My other strategy is to just wait for my opponent to expand, then mass some Roaches or speedlings and crush him.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on November 10, 2010, 08:32:46 PM
I still skip every ZvZ match in GSL, MLG, etc. Not even the best players in the world can make it entertaining. Can't imagine what it's like actually having to play it
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2010, 07:54:47 PM
GSL finals: greatest SC2 match ever
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2010, 07:11:06 PM
GSL season 3
round of 64 matches (so far)
http://www.livestream.com/fixnstreamingdastuff/video?clipId=pla_9a3baef0-1171-4c18-a8ac-a95ffceccbe6&utm_source=lslibrary&utm_medium=ui-thumb

first game was very tense

Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on November 23, 2010, 01:57:42 AM
It's the season of SCV rushes!

:koreacry
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2010, 12:12:09 PM
Really don't get their ZvT openings. If you're going to go 14 hatch you have to be ready for a rush; the minute the second hatch pops you have to get a well placed spine crawler down or you're gonna be in trouble. In one of the games a Zerg survived with a couple crawlers and banelings, which is definitely a good idea.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on November 23, 2010, 07:45:31 PM
Maaan I was doing 2 rax -> marine + SCV push -> FE like a week before this season even started. I'm so prescient and ahead of the curve :smug

Yeah any straight up free wins you see from this are either build order wins (hatch first lolo) or the Zerg just really handling it poorly. Zerg absolutely has a fair chance of defending assuming they aren't so greedy as to go hatch first, and as my boy Rainbow unfortunately demonstrated last night, even that isn't to say that hatch first = free win 100% of the time. It isn't much different from any other all-in we've seen.

I'm honestly kinda disappointed that more players are opting for the pure all-in rather than playing with the flexibility and mind games that 2 rax can allow depending on the circumstances. I don't think it's inaccurate to say that with the current state of the metagame, most people upon scouting 2 rax and no gas are going to be too worried and too focused on defending the impending rush to consider something else -- like what if Terran just fast expanded as soon as he got the 2 rax down and your scouts out of his base? What if he canceled the second rax before it finished, threw up double gas, and went for 2 port banshee instead? What if he went blue hellions? It seems like it would be so simple to just feign aggression to get the Zerg player scared and then do some really funky tech switch. Then again, maybe Zerg players have practiced such possibilities and the pressure from the typical 2 rax stuff is just too much to pass up. I dunno. I myself actually pull less than half of my SCV's when I do this and then fast expand behind the pressure. Mules off my one orbital keep me even with Zerg, my push ideally puts me ahead because Zerg is wasting larva on static d and lings, and then I really start to gain an edge when I get my second orbital and mule up.

I actually made a marine/baneling micro map in the map editor so I can pull out those gosu marine splits when I want to make some panties wet :lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 26, 2010, 03:56:33 AM
The Clide v Leenock match was fucking amazing. Everyone has to see the first game of the series (watching g2 now), perfect TvZ with no quick game changing cheese.


game 2: fuck Lost Temple man. Another great game but still, hate that map

game 3: this is better than the GSL 2 finals, holy shit
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on November 26, 2010, 08:03:38 PM
Yeah in retrospect that should not have been a Ro64 match lol. I thought Leenock was just some scrub after last season. Epic, epic games, especially compared to a lot of the other matches

The Ro32 started today and they bracketed NesTea with Sen, the Zerg that was probably one of the best players in the world at one point in beta. Wtf. And not only does one of them have to get eliminated, but it's ZvZ. WTF. Also, DreamHack starts tonight and the only two Korean players in the entire tournament (who are both capable of making it to the semifinals with relative ease) are bracketed to play each other. They're also from the same team. Swedes scared of having no Euros in their finals :lol

edit: I actually saw players do pretty much everything I was rambling about in regard to 2 rax in the last few days of games
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2010, 03:59:31 PM
I'm watching the first game of the Idra v IMmvp match, had to pause and post: during the beta I thought Idra was very good, but very one dimensional. His play style was predictable while players like Dimaga and TLO were trying new things and making them work. That's not the case anymore though, as Idra has livened his style up and adapts better to opponents.

There have been so many TvZ matches this season, and often they come down to the same thing: 14 hatch, two rax push and/or SCV rush. So far (not finished with the game) Idra is handling the timing push perfectly. I've noticed Fruitdealer and other zerg do the exact same thing over and over, and if the terran player is good they punish them. Getting Baneling Speed is a must, if you're going Banelings. Putting your Banelings Nest in the natural is dangerous - it can easily be taken out of the timing attack goes well for the terran. Finally, getting a spine crawler up immediately is a must. Idra did all those things early in this game.  /tip hat

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edit: Idra lost the first game. Great tank placement, although it looked like Idra could have taken it out with his Mutas, dunno why he retreated.
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on December 01, 2010, 10:20:33 PM
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I can't fault Idra for losing a series to mvp. Anyone good enough to take a game off of Flash in Brood War is gonna be a beast at SC2

And yeah on baneling speed. Can't describe how much scarier it is to see that.
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2010, 01:22:59 AM
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Hate seeing Idra go out again due to bad luck in bracket placement. He probably advances against just about any other (non-zerg) player there. Amazing terran play

Seems kinda wide open so far. Really impressed by Leenrock but I can't help but think he'll be outsmarted by a more experienced player eventually. Jinro looks great, July looks scary good. About to watch the SlayersBoxer match
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2011, 06:16:25 PM
Think I need to change my in-game avatar from the black guy, people seem to know I'm black. Hence the n-bombs I've been getting  :lol

Working on ZvP. I keep coming back to this video
http://mrbitter.blip.tv/file/4447419/

14 pool, 16 hatch seems to be working. I've been rolled over a few times by 4 gates, but it has put me in a good position to stop it most of the time. At least so far; next week I'll probably be breaking shit as the build fails over and over.

I'm also getting +1 ranged/defense a lot faster. Just gotta survive that first 4 gate push, then by the time they attack again you'll be ready with more units and upgrades
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on January 16, 2011, 09:59:58 PM
Kids these days :fbm I remember just not saying glhf was considered bad manners back in the BW days

Thanks for that link btw. I've been trying to learn Zerg just from GSL and practice, but I'm making less progress than I'd like to be, so I should probably start looking for more instructional stuff like this.

I still can't decide what I want to play now, though. Zerg is hard as fuck! As strong as larva inject is, it's such a feat to just make it to the mid-game and secure a third base. I definitely empathize with all the TERRAN IMBA comments, but I think almost all of that these days stems from these huge timing pushes that come right as you're trying to get a third up. The potential for aggression by Terran in that window is just crazy scary. But then if I manage to fend off that push and keep my third, I feel like I'm in pretty good shape. Many Terran players will fade if you can drag them into a macro game because they're so accustomed to either winning or losing after that one big push. My problem is I usually get into an advantageous spot, try to force a win, and it costs me. I dunno if I'm patient enough to be a good Zerg player
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on January 18, 2011, 08:18:46 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RU1dSXU_Bk0[/youtube]

Impressive mod.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2011, 12:09:39 AM
damn it got taken down.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2011, 03:36:11 PM
Anyone watching GSL? I'm behind, and some has been spoiled but holy shit @ the round of 16 so far

Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on January 19, 2011, 09:15:04 PM
Yeah I'm up to date on GSL. It's been pretty good throughout from Ro32 on. I picked MVP to take it all after Ro32

Sucks there still aren't many Zerg players good enough to make it to Ro16. That will change in time, though
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: bachikarn on January 19, 2011, 10:36:52 PM
How do you watch the GSL replays?
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on January 19, 2011, 11:02:50 PM
I just pay the $15 or whatever it is to watch all the games in high quality on the gomtv site. You can find some on YouTube if you don't mind watching just random tournament games in no order

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[youtube=560,345]pIEAIx5tK30[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]JtxH-6DtyAU[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]ut9mRfHb5BU[/youtube]
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This guy has uploaded quite a few: http://www.youtube.com/user/eltereding#p/search
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2011, 12:17:41 PM
I use
http://www.justin.tv/tpfour/videos?page=4

Good quality, and the guy has all the maps from code S and A. Just look for the 1hr+ videos and go in alphabetical order (round of 32 Code S group A etc) if you want to start from the beginning. Plus he has the individual maps, but I just watch the full cast.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on January 22, 2011, 12:37:32 PM
Honestly I think the main reason I pay is just because these Koreans and their crazy bandwidth get all the VODs up within three or four hours of the games being played, so I can watch games in the morning before work that were played the night before. One of my favorite parts of the day is getting out of the shower at 5:45, making a cup of coffee, and then watching SC for like a half hour :lol

Btw Nada vs MarineKing had some of the most bizarre games I've seen at a pro level. The Code A finals have been pretty damn good from what I've watched so far too, although it's probably more standard TvT than the Nada and MarineKing games
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Pringo on January 29, 2011, 12:54:00 AM
For those of you who care, the GSL season 4 finals are on in about 10 minutes: http://www.gomtv.net/ (http://www.gomtv.net/)

The OSL finals are on tonight too, but I don't know if I want to stay up that late to catch all of it. TL says they're on at 18:00 KST. Should be a good night for StarCraft.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on January 29, 2011, 01:18:25 AM
Yeah I am sooooo hyped for the GSL finals even though it's TvT. Gonna say MVP 4-2

Stork is an old favorite, and it's funny that the only other time he won OSL gold, it was against fantasy. That's probably gonna run too late for me but I'll definitely catch them tomorrow. I haven't watched BW really since SC2 came out
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 29, 2011, 08:07:00 PM
[youtube=560,345]lsgQaw3DIqk[/youtube]
:rofl
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on January 29, 2011, 09:04:00 PM
:lol Wtf
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on January 29, 2011, 09:39:55 PM
Btw GSL and OSL were both pretty disappointing
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 29, 2011, 10:02:07 PM
Only been able to find one of the games from the finals (g2). Looks like I'll be buying a gom ticket soon lol. Should I just wait for next season though? Seems like the smart thing to do.

I'm just gonna spoil the finals for myself if I can't find them online for free. There's no way that girly boy can beat MVP lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on January 30, 2011, 09:17:26 PM
Yeah just wait for next season. I tried to find them to show a friend yesterday and Google kept coming up with like WWE stuff for some reason

Spoilers if you want
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4-0 MVP. MVP made MarineKing look like a total noob. Wasn't close, wasn't incredibly entertaining. It's fun to watch to see just how much MVP outclasses pretty much everyone at the moment, but don't expect a dynamic series.

I think MVP will be the first player to repeat. This guy is something like 32-4 in January against top competition.
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2011, 01:56:57 AM
Yea I saw game 2, pretty one-sided lol

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MVP looks unstoppable, but then again someone always does during the tournament. I thought MC was gonna destroy everyone and possibly repeat lol
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2011, 02:28:47 PM
:drudge Idra vs MVP :drudge

http://www.justin.tv/eg_idra/b/278892299 (Idra's stream/pov)
(skip to 46min mark)

 :o

spoilers:
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Amazing game. MVP basically let Idra play a macro game, which never is a good idea. By the time that mass of Mutas arrived the game was in Idra's favor until the end. I wonder how a more mech heavy (shit ton of Thors) might have played out.

That Infestor play was brilliant. They haven't been utilized much in Korean tournament play I've seen, but they work so well against the ridiculous marine/maurader micro a lot of terran have.

In a tournament MVP would probably pressure more, and ultimately win imo. Regardless, Idra dominating a game against him is another sign that he's just getting better and better. Will the next GSL follow the same group elimination format as the last one? I really think it benefited Idra and could continue to do so
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on February 04, 2011, 10:33:30 PM
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Idra is a monster. I do wonder if he gets tournament jitters or something, though. I picked him to take out Jinro, and he ended up having some really ugly, uncharacteristic losses in that series. There was also a time I was watching his stream and he got matched up with oGsZenio, a really good Zerg player that had outplayed him hard and knocked him out of the most recent GSL, and he just annihilated that guy.

It's crazy how much better he's gotten since the beta.

And yeah, they're sticking to the same format as before. I think it's group matches for Ro32 and Ro16 in both Code S and Code A and then normal series from Ro8 on, but I can't remember. It was way confusing at first, but I like how they have it set up now
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2011, 12:24:04 AM
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I don't think it's jitters. IMO his "no bullshit" serious play style doesn't translate well in a series, at least as zerg; protoss or terran could get away with that. If he can macro on a decent map, most likely he's going to win; he doesn't take many bad chances, and is rather predictable in the early game. But when he's pressured or not allowed to play a certain way, he folds.

My brothers and I argued endlessly over the first Jinro/Idra game in their group. I honestly felt like Idra would have destroyed Jinro, but got fucked over by map selection (Jungle Basin); Idra played very very well despite the map, but just couldn't pull it off. So when they met in the Ro8 and Idra won the first game handily, I felt like I was about to be justified. The next games pissed me off and really showed Idra's weakness. You can beat him outright with a cheese or an early pressure attack. When you mix those two variables with map selection that might produce maps that are biased against zerg the odds are stacked against him.

And that doesn't even take into account ZvZ, which can throw anyone off. I definitely think he's good enough to win a tournament, but I just don't think he will due to those factors.
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on February 05, 2011, 12:52:33 AM
Yeah I'll concede that with the maps. At this point, the maps probably have more of an effect on the outcome than whatever minor balance issues there still are from match-up to match-up. More like Shakuras Plateau would be awesome
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2011, 01:47:16 AM
Agreed. I still grumble about Mules and Mauraders and Protoss death balls, but ultimately maps can determine wins/loses more than that stuff.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 05, 2011, 05:19:42 PM
Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of Optimo and PD talking to each other
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on February 05, 2011, 05:56:36 PM
This game is about as popular here as SC2 is in Korea :'(
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2011, 08:52:03 PM
This game is about as popular here as SC2 is in Korea :'(

Ha I watched the OSL finals recently and was amazed at how large the crowds were as compared to SC2 gsl events. SC2 still hasn't completely taken over I guess? I'm not familiar with the BW pro scene
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on February 07, 2011, 09:57:35 PM
Yeah it's a realllllly slow transition. It'll die eventually lol

GSTL is going on now but the games mostly suck from what I've seen so far. New maps, though! (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190987)
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 08, 2011, 12:43:07 AM
SC2 or SC1 die eventually? It seems like SC2 is just beginning to dominate the pro gaming circuit in the US. MLG is fully on board, and their 50k first place prize should attract some great competition. Obviously GSL will still rule, but eventually MLG will be a premier tournament as well.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 08, 2011, 01:56:49 PM
March Code S GSL groups revealed
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191009

Group A is stacked.

poor FruitDealer  :lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on February 10, 2011, 11:50:30 PM
They actually had a group selection special, where the players picked.  The eight quarterfinalists from the last GSL each got to pick their group and one opponent, then those eight chosen opponents got to choose one more player for the group, and so on.

It's a great format because it encourages gamesmanship and trash talk, and gives you a bunch of fun little sub-plots.  Group A is loaded because July got all ballsy and picked MC when there were much weaker players left.  Clide and Idra were trash talking, Genius said he'd make it an all-Protoss group before he picked FruitDealer, TheBest warned HongUn that he and Nada were going to come up with some great builds to show him, only to have HongUn say "Good, I'll just four-gate those builds every game".

Can you imagine how great it would be if the NBA adopted this for the playoffs?



PS You want to watch the GSL team league finals.  You want to very much.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2011, 02:35:10 PM
I'll have to started watching. Been avoiding it after hearing it kinda one sided at times.

July is pretty awesome. I basically build Corrupters regardless of whether Toss has Cols out because of his playstyle; very effective early counter to Immortals and scares them away from getting Cols.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Pringo on February 12, 2011, 10:12:33 PM
Team Liquid just announced the Asian zerg invites for the TSL 3: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=192589 (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=192589)

FruitDealer
HayprO
IdrA
NesTea
Ret

Pretty crazy lineup so far. I think they already have the winners of the first three GSLs confirmed to be playing. Should be the best non-Korean SCII tournament to date. Makes me wonder if MLG is gonna be stacked this year too after they announced the gigantic prize pool for their finals tournament.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2011, 12:09:52 AM
Oh wow, what a lineup so far. And yea, MLG should have a pretty impressive lineup as well. That prize pool really shows that the game is beginning to take over the pro gaming scene in the US, and it'll only get bigger now that more Koreans should be tempted to come over and compete.

GSL, TSL, MLG. Would be awesome if someone managed a triple crown and won all three in the same year lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2011, 03:52:19 AM
:drudge
[youtube=560,345]KIxP-KQXEOI[/youtube]
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=193510

whoa whoa whoa, big move. The NA scene certainly seems like it's about to boom. The expansion of MLG, TSL becoming a premier tournament with global reach, and the possibility of an official NA league all points to this. Idra, Ret, and others have complained in the past about Korea just having the GSL and nothing to  do in the months leading to the next one. These big NA tourneys alongside Dreamhack in Europe will be more tempting.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 19, 2011, 08:01:53 PM
[youtube=560,345]gZWpcGfQJAg[/youtube]

holy fuck  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Pringo on February 19, 2011, 09:03:53 PM
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=194480 (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=194480)

The final Asian TSL 3 invites announced a little while ago. Terran players this time.

BoxeR
Jinro
Loner
MVP
NaDa

I'm still surprised at some of the big names they were able to get for the tournament. Should be awesome.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 19, 2011, 09:29:33 PM
I'm more excited for TSL3 than any other SC2 tournament ever, lol. Amazing lineup so far.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2011, 02:17:34 PM
GSL started last night. Anyone got any links? I'm gonna have to buy the damn stream at this rate lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Pringo on February 21, 2011, 05:16:04 PM
GSL started last night. Anyone got any links? I'm gonna have to buy the damn stream at this rate lol

I used to get the games here: http://simple-night-21.heroku.com/

I'm not sure if he's still uploading though. Haven't downloaded any since like season three. I bought the tickets the last two seasons since they reduced the price to like $10.


Also, Jinro vs. IdrA showmatch is on right now. iNcontroL's apparently announcing something big after the game (North American league?) which should be cool.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on February 21, 2011, 07:16:55 PM
Haven't played SC2 in like a month aside from beating on some bronze baddies on my friend's account a couple weeks ago

GSTL semis and finals were CRAZY

Can't believe Idra is leaving Korea but at the same time I can. I was always thinking how inconvenient it was for him to have to fly across the world for MLG and stuff

and omg I forgot about the new GSL season
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2011, 01:03:25 AM
The Jinro/Idra showmatch was kinda disappointing.
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I was pretty hyped due to Idra's complete dismantling of MVP a couple weeks ago; I really wanted to see that type of dynamic zerg play against Jinro. Yet for most of the games today he reverted back to his same old, stagnant play and got rolled over. I watch Idra's stream whenever I can, and whenever he plays against terran he destroys them with muta/baneling/ling. That's definitely the main strategy zerg have in the match, I'm not denying that. But today Idra basically played like he was facing some random dude from ladder. He didn't get upgrades for his Mutas, he wasn't teching, and he wasn't aggressive enough on the ground.

Jinro destroyed him in straight up macro games. Especially the game where he fast expanded and went mass Thor. Idra scouted that shit early and STILL stuck with Muta/ling. It makes no sense: how do you not go Ultra or Brood Lord against that type of play? Roaches can handle a few Thors, but once someone gets 5+ you have to get Hive tech.

Basically the only time he impressed was on Lost Temple where he got Infestors to shut down Jinro's great Marine micro, and had Brood Lord tech ready just in case things went bad.

Jinro is the best foreigner, it's not even close. I'm not going to make excuses for Idra anymore. Jinro beat Idra at his own game.
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on February 24, 2011, 09:22:10 AM
Was it a series or just one game? I was gonna try to track it down but I might not even bother. Can't even keep up with GSL matches right now.

Speaking of which
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MVP :lol Got caught at like the worst possible time against July not once but twice. I guess he isn't going to repeat lolo
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2011, 12:16:06 AM
I feel like breaking my computer. Just got eliminated from the gaf tournament, 2-1. Won the first game, got 4gated/lost the second. Had the third game in the fucking bag but DT play made me panic, I wasted all my gas on overseers, secured my bases from them only to be caught moving by his entire army. jesus fuck
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on February 25, 2011, 08:06:49 PM
I should start reading the GAF thread more. I always miss the tournaments.

But yeah I don't blame you for panicking over DTs. I know that feeling when you realize you have no detection. At least banshees run out of energy eventually
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2011, 02:55:31 PM
GSL March talk time

Finally decided to buy a ticket and it's been great. The standard quality is fine, and no more having to scour the internet for videos that will be taken down by GOM soon. Just finished the round of 32 of S and A, spoilers ahead

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Wow lots of upsets; the up-and-down matches are going to be epic indeed. Didn't expect MVP to go out to such unlucky mistakes. There's so much parity among the players that it's hard to imagine someone dominating multiple GSLs regardless of how good they look. I thought MC looked unbeatable after he won, then thought the same about MVP. Speaking of which, seeing MarineKing get ousted was also a shocker; he looked scary as hell in that first game against Kyrix.

I wonder if Idra is kicking himself right now. With so many upsets he could have been poised to make a nice run.

on Code A, I've basically just watched the players I'm interested in. Ret, Leenock, Huk, Haypro etc. I thought Ret was a lock for code S after he stomped through the Assembly tournament  :'(

Leenock :bow
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 12, 2011, 08:32:38 PM
round of 8 talk

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July v Nada was pretty good, at least from my perspective as a zerg player. Nada didn't play particularly well overall, but then again neither did July. His aggressive style is super exciting but I really question some of the decision making. Against Clide in the Ro16 for instance he was dropping banelings on tanks and Thors. Here he threw many away on tanks. On the latest State of The Game podcast, Idra criticized the play style and argued it would fail hard on mech. Obviously true, and I'd love to see whether July would switch up his style against a better terran like Jinro.

The low drone count was also pretty puzzling. July had full map control in multiple games - popping out extra drones would have been easy.
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2011, 03:15:58 AM
GSL finals on right now, two games done. Don't see a link, I'm just using Gom TV

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 http://www.justin.tv/sypher23?utm_source=broadcast_callout&utm_medium=channel&utm_campaign=tos_promo_clicks#/w/980987824/2
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Pringo on March 19, 2011, 04:24:41 AM
GSL finals on right now, two games done. Don't see a link, I'm just using Gom TV

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 http://www.justin.tv/sypher23?utm_source=broadcast_callout&utm_medium=channel&utm_campaign=tos_promo_clicks#/w/980987824/2

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Well July got completely manhandled there. MC's force fields were so nuts. Kinda hoping we'll get to see some closer GSL finals sometime soon. The last few have all been so one-sided and I keep hoping that they'll transition into some more epic macro style games but it hasn't really been happening so far. Oh well.
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Also the TSL 3 starts tomorrow. Don't really know what to expect as far as the quality of these early games goes but hopefully they're good.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2011, 05:41:21 AM
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It basically went as most people expected. July's run was fun, but his decision making at times is quite questionable. I really couldn't possibly imagine him getting away with his style against someone like MC. Unless he becomes more solid in his macro I don't see him doing well in the future GSLs. That hyper aggressive style certainly works against Terran but right now a good toss is going to snuff that stuff out easily.
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Really excited for the TSL. In some ways it's a preview of what we could see in the NASL, so I'm definitely curious and hyped. Really want to see how the Koreans do. I think Boxer could go out in the first round tomorrow, while FruitDealer will probably win. Overall though, if lag isn't too much of a problem MC has to be the favorite. LiquidTyler is also a very very good toss
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Pringo on March 19, 2011, 02:15:39 PM
And the TSL has started: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/TeamLiquidTV (http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/TeamLiquidTV)
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on March 19, 2011, 02:40:37 PM
GSL
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There's already a lot of butthurt going around about MC WOULDN'T WIN WITHOUT OVERPOWERED FORCE FIELDS. The truth is that performance last night was on par with what you see from the current top BW players when they're on their game -- perfection. People are already calling for a FF nerf, but it's not like he just spams them blindly. I seem to remember a lot of tears not too long ago over how Protoss relies so much on perfect force fields at times against both PvT and PvZ, yet MC doesn't seem to have much difficulty lol. He makes it almost impossible to engage him while also routinely picking off small groups of units effortlessly. He kinda forces you to attack so he can't just sit in your natural and force field your ramp all day, basically provoking you to suicide small portions of your army. I'm not just talking about his force fields, though. His builds were brilliant, and the stuff he pulled in the first game with the fake expand was an awesome mindfuck. There were also a lot of times where I was left scratching my head in wonder at how MC just had so many units. I guess that's what happens when your macro is nearly flawless and you're able to retain almost all of your army

I was pretty blown away if you can't tell. Zergs will undoubtedly adapt to this style should it become prevalent, but I'm convinced MC is going to remain a presence for a while, especially if he gets his PvT anywhere near his PvZ. He clearly has a keen understanding of the game. Then again, I was also convinced MVP was gonna repeat, so what do I know?

As for July, I can't fault him TOO too much. These types of shellackings happen to the best players, particularly when they're playing against such an unfamiliar style. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Irke89WyA&feature=related) I certainly hope this isn't the end of him, because truly good Zergs are in short supply these days.

I am pretty disappointed that the GSL finals seem to be cursed. It's hard to get excited for them anymore

edit: Just to clarify, although I don't think it would have made much of a difference last night, I wouldn't protest a slight FF nerf if it turns out that there's like no way to defend those crazy pushes
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Watching TSL. omg Starcraft weekend
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2011, 04:10:01 PM
holy shit @ the first game between FruitDealer and ThorZain

on the GSL
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If you let toss spam Sentries as zerg, you typically lose. It's almost as fatal as letting them get a third base up. July simply didn't handle his timing well. If he had burrow ready he could have done much better against the sentries. Even though FFs piss me off I can't call them imbalanced in the matchup given how July played.

MC also got Colosuses very late if at all, yet July rarely used any Hydra pressure. It's very hard to beat toss with just Roaches
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2011, 04:48:04 PM
holy shit Boxer disconnected
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2011, 06:05:11 PM
ohhhhhhhh

TSL sunday games
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Morrow just destroyed Jinro ha. July style hyper Baneling aggression totally devastates a greedy Terran.
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on March 24, 2011, 07:37:15 PM
Crap I forgot about the Sunday games. I'll have to catch the VODs.

ThorZain was on point all the way through that series. I think I've actually become a closeted Zerg supporter :lol I cringe a little every time another Zerg gets knocked out of Code S in GSL, and I'm especially fond of Fruit Dealer, so it sucks that he's already out of it.

Boxer looked pretty average, but I'm mostly just glad that Protoss player didn't advance. That was some of the most boring PvT I've ever seen

GSL has all the team league games up already, so I'm working my way through those. Like last month's team league, its produced a lot of games that are like 100000x more exciting than anything we saw in the most recent GSL season.

IMLosira is gonna be my underdog pick for next season. I was wondering where he was ever since GSL S1
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on March 30, 2011, 08:23:49 PM
I'm almost all caught up on TSL and the GSL Globalleaguetournamentmastersoftheworldthing. Too much awesome to go all in depth, so here are some random thoughts on both. Spoilers ahoy

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Sad to see that virtually all the Team Liquid players are falling off in a big way. At least some of the other westerners are picking up the slack a bit.

I think Korea came into the TSL with some hubris lolol

Dimaga vs MVP was soooooo sick -- ya know, right up until someone lagged out because Blizzard was too lazy, greedy, or whatever their excuse was for not implementing LAN

White Ra gave me a nerdgasm in his game against MC

I know I mentioned TL sucking already, but Jinro has been especially disappointing as of late. Embarrassingly greedy play against July

MVP is looking pretty sharp, so I expect him to make it back to Code S with relative ease next season. He's probably my favorite player to watch these days. Nada is too greedy, July a tad too predictable at times, NesTea solid but boring. I suppose MC is on par with MVP for me, but that's about it. Anyway, here's hoping he can avoid falling into another random slump. edit: K I forgot about Losira. Looks like I have a representative of each race to be a fanboy for
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2011, 11:25:58 PM
The GSL world v Korea thing was the most epic e-sports event I've ever seen. Amazing, amazing

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I really thought the foreigners were gonna take it, oh man. Disappointing but they have nothing to be ashamed or disappointed over. Although I honestly think they would have won if they brought Tyler instead of Huk, who's overrated imo. Tyler could destroy July. And if White-Ra had simply run away when he saw the mass Queens he might have pulled it off.

I like July but his style seems built to be exploited by good Toss. He can dick around with any Terran with his eyes closed
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 01, 2011, 09:05:55 AM
Good call on Tyler. I always forget about him. I suppose he wanted to stay in the US for MLG Dallas

And yeah, July's ZvP is far and away his worst match. Even ignoring MC's destruction of him in the most recent finals, he's always seemed to kinda struggle against mass gateways. It was pretty funny to see him killing colossi with banelings, though
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on April 02, 2011, 11:40:47 PM
If you get the chance to watch Idra vs Huk from the current MLG Dallas (especially game 2, and ESPECIALLY without reading spoilers) then jump on it.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 02, 2011, 11:56:41 PM
^Gonna spoiler this questio even though I've only seen about three games total today

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Did that end up being the finals or something? I stopped watching a couple of hours ago. I saw a recast of Gretorp (my favorite non-pro Terran, btw) vs Huk g2 on Lost Temple where Huk got wrecked, missed the deciding game, came back to Huk vs Kiwikaki, and then gave up for good after Huk kept lagging out.

I've actually wanted to see Idra all day. The last I saw of him was his series in the TSL where he took a really embarrassing 2-1 loss against a Protoss named Crusher or something, and I was curious to see how he'd bounce back. He seemed kinda soft since leaving Korea
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2011, 11:59:08 PM
Indeed. ZvP is my favorite match up, and most frustrating

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Spoiled it for myself on twitter, but still disappointing to watch. I've learned a lot from Idra, I love watching him play, but it really seems like many players have figured him out.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/2upcxo7.jpg)

ZvP is very tough right now. The Infestor change helps but it doesn't solve our early to mid game dilemma: what to do against heavy Sentry/Stalker pushes. I've begun to move away from Roaches and focus on Ling/Baneling/Muta more, which negates heavy Sentry builds. The metagame seems to be moving away from Roach/Hydra and more toward Ling/Baneling/Infestor. Yet in the GSL, TSL, and now MLG many zergs continue to play that heavy Roach style and get rocked by the same Toss builds over and over again. A lot of the discussion on the July v MC matchup revolved around people saying if July had burrow before MC's timing attacks, he could have held them off. Yet even with burrow you're still barely injuring Stalkers with each volley as they warp more in. Ling/Baneling can completely shut that strategy down.

Meh. I found Idra's US account and have been looking at his build orders in Toss games, and it's heavy heavy Roach nearly every time. Obviously I'm no pro gamer and Idra knows his shit more than I do. But I've just rarely seen that strategy work against the heavy Sentry builds Toss are using lately
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on April 03, 2011, 12:19:13 AM
Optimo:

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Nah, it's a pool stage game (don't ask me how this Rube Goldberg machine of a tournament's arranged; I've given up trying to understand it) from a bit earlier which they broadcast on replay because of the Huk/Kiwi lag.

It's just that the second game 1) is pretty epic with very good play from both sides, and 2) has a moment which is quickly becoming the talking point of the SC2 fanbase.  It'll be a lot more fun to watch if you can avoid spoilers.


PS Not sure if you know the Cruncher story.  Apparently Idra was BMing him between games, saying "Wow you're talented" after losing to collosus/void in the first game, and "It must suck when talent is involved" after winning the second.  That's why Cruncher gave him the smiley face after trapping his roaches in a FF donut.
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PD (DON'T READ THIS OPTIMO):

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Well, Idra won the first game and was basically ahead of Huk the whole way in the 2nd, including the very end.  Day9 says Idra's been doing a lot of speedling/bane on his stream recently, though he's been going for quick burrow for roach play in the few MLG games I've seen.  He may whine about balance a lot, but he always seems to have an eye on the next step of the metagame, so I wouldn't worry about his tech choices getting obsolete.

Still worth watching that game even if it's been spoiled, as it's a hell of a fight.  If SC2 is still being played competitively several years from now, it's going to be one of those "you remember that time when..." matches.
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For anyone to read:

I hope they do a vod of Day9 and DJWheat killing time and talking about old videogames, including Tasteless whupping up on little children in MvC at the arcade.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 03, 2011, 12:36:44 AM
Yea, Wheat, JP, and Day9 really made the best of a tough situation. It was like a really good State of the Game podcast heh
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Yea he's done it on stream to good results, but hasn't used it for MLG or TSL (granted, I didn't see the Kiwi match).

Even the second game was odd, given the resources he had. His ling army wasn't large enough to take advantage of Huk's army composition, which lacked HTs. Definitely some nice Baneling bombing but overall he threw away so many Brood Lords. It's certainly good to see him embracing Hive tech more though; just a couple months ago he seemed hesitant to. Overall a great series though

I think Idra has to be shocked that his US return hasn't gone as well as he thought it would (thus far). His NASL group looks tough too. Tyler, Sen, and Drewbie are very good. And of course the volitional nature of ZvZ will lead to some competitive matches with Zenio (again).
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 03, 2011, 02:52:20 PM
I really wish I just stuck through all the problems last night. Half the replays are absent from the MLG site still, and I doubt VODs will be up until the event is done with.

Yeah, I knew all about Idra's BM with Cruncher. I literally loled at his smiley face. I was actually rooting for Idra because I really detest super-orthodox Protoss play, but that was too good

Watching MLG now but it's PvP at the moment :-X
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 03, 2011, 03:21:49 PM
Huk vs Idra now. Again? Uhhh

This tournament is confusing

edit: lmfao another lag out in game two.

I remember watching Halo 1 pros at MLG like 8 years ago and thinking, "This will be amazing once they work out all the kinks in production." :rofl
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2011, 03:07:48 PM
Some VODs from the final day
http://www.livestream.com/theresidentevil

Not in HQ because MLG turned that feature off during the final day
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on April 04, 2011, 06:51:48 PM
Finished last season in platinum, lost my placement match, got into masters.

I'll take it!
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2011, 07:03:24 PM
Bah. Won my placement match, got put in diamond again. Definitely think I can make masters this time, now that I finally discovered the "1v1 preferences" button that was in-my-face for months.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on April 04, 2011, 11:07:45 PM
Which maps in the current pool are considered hard for zerg right now?

The only one I'm voting against currently is Delta Quadrant.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2011, 01:00:02 AM
I veto Backwater Gulch and Typhon Peaks. The first two simply have ridiculous lengths between the main and natural. Backwater Gulch is basically an invitation to 4-gate as a Toss can easily block your ramp and wreck your natural. Delta Quadrant also has a far away natural, but the quick third makes it fun at times; still, I use my third veto on it.

Protoss also complain about Backwater Gulch; it's real easy to wreck a Toss natural with speelings. That threat is probably why ZvP on that map almost always guarantees 4-gate.

I've seen good zerg players complain about Slag Pits on Team Liquid and GAF, but I actually like that map.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 05, 2011, 07:48:11 PM
Been playing a little bit again lately too. Two changes from Blizzard since I last played that I'm thrilled about:

You can change in-game hotkeys without violating the EULA now!

and

GSL maps in the ladder pool! Only two, but Tal'Darim Altar is one of my favorites at the moment, so that's enough to win me over
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2011, 12:07:44 AM
Tal'Darim Altar is cool. Pretty easy to hit natural expansions with drops or Muta attacks :bow

oh dudes (well, Optimo/Mandark/Pringo) did you see the NASL schedule?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=209251

Good lord that's impressive. I'm going to wait to see how the casters and production are, but right now the league is looking solid.

$5 off deal: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=26924482&postcount=12519
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 06, 2011, 05:10:26 PM
It's so crazy that Mandark is in Masters league SCII. He knows all about politics, sports, and he's good at vidya too. :bow
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 06, 2011, 09:33:31 PM
I know! It's like the trifecta of manliness

That is indeed an insane lineup for the NASL. I'd say Moon vs Grubby is like the battle for Who Is the Bigger WC3 Disappointment, but we all knew WC3 was the inferior esport to begin with :smug

Anyway, I'll pay just for access to the games, though I'll admit that no matter who they get for commentary, I'll still be pining for Tastless and Artosis -- especially Artosis. I've gone from loathing those guys circa GSL S1 to detesting just about everyone else. I even find Day[9] too abrasive for live play-by-play these days

Here's how the bracketing will go if anyone is curious: http://nasl.tv/Images/graphLarge.jpg

Meanwhile, GSL Ro4 was the other night. Epic games galore!
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 08, 2011, 07:30:32 PM
GSL finals tonight :hyper

Spooilers if you haven't seen Ro4 yet

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I hope MKP has greatly improved his TvT, not just because I don't want another boring 4-0, but also because I like him as a player. Also he's so dreamy in that androgynous ladyboy kind of way :-*
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 12, 2011, 07:16:01 PM
First day of the NASL today. Gretorp casting. Sold! It starts at 5:30 pst

edit: Dreamhack was also last night, or this morning, or however time works in Euroland. VODs can be found in this thread (http://www.justin.tv/dreamhacktv/videos) if you think you can stomach their awful overlay that takes up like 1/5 of the screen

Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2011, 04:05:05 AM
Gretorp is an utterly atrocious caster imo...

NASL has been oddly disappointing in the production field, and the streams are so laggy I've yet to last an entire game. Saw some of the Artosis v Sheth game (lol) and some games today. No way I'm paying money for this at this stage.

The schedule is great, but right now the technical/presentation stuff is off, and the casting...yea. InControl would work pretty well with a good analytical caster; he's a good color commentary type guy, but falls apart when asked to do more than that (like Tasteless *ducks*).
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 15, 2011, 07:22:59 PM
Yeah Gretorp has been pretty bad. He slips into yelling like Husky too much, and sometimes his vocab when he's doing analysis is reminiscent of a Pitchfork review, which really distracts from when he's actually making a good point. Fwiw, I do think they're getting better already. I remember HATING Artosis back when GSL first started too

I had typical Justin.TV slideshow lag on the first day, but after that, nothing. The HD stream is of better quality than GOM's live feed, VODs go up instantly after the casts, and there have been some pretty solid (and a couple GSL Code S-quality) games so far.  All in all, I'm glad I paid, and I was actally pretty hesitant to cough up the money. Even though it's no GSL on the whole, I think it's the next best thing, and the amount of games scheduled is nuts.

I'll let you know if it gets better, though

Btw, TeamLiquid has been getting raped in every tournament they show up to lately. They're gonna end up being as irrelevant as they were in BW :'(
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2011, 07:48:52 PM
I was pretty surprised to see Dignitas destroy them in the clan war a couple months ago. Dunno what's going on with them. Ret plays so greedily anyone can beat him in a tournament, Huk will most likely be bumped back to code a, Haypro is Haypro, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if Jinro falls to code a (he's said he'll leave Korea if that happens); his code s group isn't a walkthrough.

I'd imagine the TL bigwigs are disappointed in Tyler, who is struggling while Toss are dominating everything. I really thought he was going to have a coming out party at MLG and get far in TSL. Maybe he's just going through a dry run
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 15, 2011, 08:16:14 PM
TLO is the one that disappoints me the most, if only because he was riding such a huge wave of hype coming out of beta. I remember his play was drawing comparisons to Boxer for its creativity back when he was placing top 3 in all of those tournaments. Then again, the line between creative and gimmicky is always kinda blurry in this game, and I think the top players just passed him by when it came down to the fundamentals. Hoping switching back to Terran can rejuvenate him, but Idra smashed him at Dreamhack
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2011, 12:41:41 AM
Heh forgot about TLO. He's definitely one of the first pro gamers who got me excited about SC2, and esports in general. I remember me and my brothers always talking about his videos, having dinner together watching Husky, HD, or Day9 cast his games lmao. Remember that video of him catching Reapers mid jump on a cliff with a fungal parasite? :bow

But yea, since then he's been pretty meh.

TL basically has two very good European players (Jinro and Ret) and some other dudes. I still think that once things "click" again for Tyler, he'll start dominating. Protoss is at a very good place right now; they dominate zerg and are competitive with terran.

Meanwhile EG is getting better. Idra hasn't dominated recently as many expected, but he's had some good results recently. InControl was very surprising at MLG; I kinda wonder whether his NASL commitment might hurt his practice time. Machine did well at MLG, plus Idra lives with him so that's a huge benefit. And Axslav is putting up some good results too.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2011, 08:37:27 PM
Decided to watch TSL instead of NBA playoffs today heh. Both games were EPIC.

some spoilerz

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Boxer really surprised me. I had assumed Sen would simply roll over him, given Boxer's TvZ troubles. Looks like he's been training very hard, and he looked quite solid today. Marine, tanks, drops.

Morrow's match against HasuObs was also great. I think the matchup is the most broken in the game, yet the most fascinating and fun to play. I guess the only thing that I'd add is Morrow threw away so many Overlords in all the games. Really didn't understand the point of that
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NASL tonight, hopefully the lag isn't bad. Bummed MC won't be playing (he was on a plane at the time the match was scheduled, so it gets forfeited to his opponent), but there are some other good matches. Very excited to see Ret v Ace.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 16, 2011, 08:59:35 PM
I still have to watch Morrow vs HasuObs, but Sen vs Boxer was incredible. I was with you on who you thought was going to win. Happy to be proven wrong, though

I think there's been a match forfeited every day of the NASL so far, and it's ALWAYS the match I'm most looking forward to ugggggh. Btw, I'm already getting lag in the pregame show rofl. :piss Justin.tv :piss2

You gonna play tonight? I did like 20 ladder games today, so I should be able to make up for getting raped so hard last night :punch

edit: NASL is awful right now LOL. Weird stuttering German guy, unwatchable framerate

Omg Gretorp had an Anchorman moment talking shit about Ret after that series :rofl
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2011, 10:50:01 PM
I'll be on soon. Got through the Ret v Ace games without much lag, gonna see if I can watch Machine's match too
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on April 17, 2011, 10:07:05 PM
Hey, the When Cheese Fails guys are doing a cameo on NASL.  Good for them.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Pringo on April 17, 2011, 11:30:20 PM
Hey, the When Cheese Fails guys are doing a cameo on NASL.  Good for them.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=213859&currentpage=85#1684 (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=213859&currentpage=85#1684)

iNcontroL's already trying to get them booted off the show.  :lol


First time actually sitting down and watching the NASL tonight and to be honest it's been pretty bad so far. They have a pretty darn good lineup but the technical issues they're having are so annoying. I swear I've been getting like 5 FPS or less for a good portion of the cast. Hopefully they can keep improving this because I can't see them sticking around for long if it doesn't.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2011, 12:38:21 AM
I like the idea of the cheese videos, but it's simply not funny, and in "I'm gonna curse and be vulgar to compensate for my lack of wit!" territory.

According to InControl, the NASL folks didn't consult him about map selection. That's weird as hell. Good to hear it's being fixed

Anyone else not have a problem with them including close position spawn possibilities on Metalopolis? Personally as a zerg I can't help but think it simply demands you play differently. Catz put on a "how to win" clinic in that position against Grubby last night. And against Protoss, if you're going 14 hatch you're basically asking to be owned no matter the position, unless it's a huge map...
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2011, 02:19:10 PM
GSL May
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=427452

Code S starts tomorrow (well, like 3AM)

The $10 ticket was well spent last season, and I intend to buy another for this season.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 18, 2011, 08:41:28 PM
As far as the NASL goes, I'm fairly placated after seeing how humble and apologetic InControl is about all of the horrendous tech issues, crappy map choice, etc. Lag has been less frequent for me (though I did jump the gun on saying this once before), and I'll try to ignore that ridiculous fuck-up yesterday of airing Painuser vs Cloud out of order. Also, this might just be my Terran mancrush I have on Gretorp, but I really think he's doing better. Think he and InControl both have kinda found their comfort zone as far as casting goes.

That being said, I'm thrilled GSL is back. The worst thing I can say about the GSL these days is the breaks in between seasons feel too long

edit: No more Tastosis for Code A? Moletrap instead? :(
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 21, 2011, 11:33:13 PM
Anyone watch the IGN Pro League today? Some info/stream link:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=428120

Very impressive opening day. Some good matches, very good stream quality, and fun commentary (DJ Wheat and TotalBiscuit solo casting today, and HDStarCraft tomorrow).

Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 23, 2011, 05:38:00 PM
Omg there's actually too much good SC2 to watch right now. I don't even know what to comment on.

GSL games have been great as usual aside from that one group that was all Terran. Liking the Code S upsets. The up and down matches are going to be packed with talent

Today's TSL produced what was probably one of its best series all season in MC vs ThorZain

I'm enjoying NASL more now that I've given up on watching games live. Still torn on whether I'll pay for this again, though. Between the stream lag, the myriad sound issues, games being broadcast out of order, matches being forfeited almost daily, etc., I'll finally stop waffling and say that I'm disappointed

And I'm JUST digging into the IGN games
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2011, 03:01:23 AM
TSL was great today. Epic MC/Thorzain series. The excitement of that match made the later IPL matches seem small heh, but they were still fun. I saw the final minutes of the last NASL match, which also featured MC (this time against Ret). What I saw was pretty awesome lol. Seems like the stream was fixed. I had some lag, but it was definitely better than usual.

Watched group E of GSL live, wow what a blast. Definitely lived up to the hype, as that group was stacked with great players.

I must say overall the TSL and IPL have been the most exciting SC2 events, group E of GSL aside. Of course once the later rounds of GSL begin it will be the best, but right now I'm loving these more US/European based tournaments. NASL isn't really a priority for me right now, although I'll be paying it more attention once the IPL ends.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on April 25, 2011, 11:49:48 PM
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1213111662

Patch notez, as Blizzard tries to steer PvP away from inevitable 4gating.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2011, 12:59:50 AM
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@TylerWasieleski
I'm tired of casual play negatively affecting pro play (4gate being addressed in next patch). Rule changes should happen only when necessary

Will be interesting to hear more pros on this. It seems to me like this could lead to a slippery slope of unstable casual play, leading to more changes. 2 gate Zealot pressure against Zerg is going to be the next problem, just as it was earlier last year which caused them to increase Zealot build times.

I'd rather see something done about Sentries
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on May 07, 2011, 04:07:19 AM
So NesTea and sC played a pretty decent game just now.
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Post by: OptimoPeach on May 07, 2011, 02:48:48 PM
That whole series is a must-watch. So much back and forth

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:bow NESTEA :bow2

And poor Nada :( I thought he was going to claw his way back into it halfway through game three. Would have loved to see him walk away with a championship. Oh well. Inca is looking like an absolute monster.

First PvZ finals! And more importantly, not another TvT!
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Quote
@TylerWasieleski
I'm tired of casual play negatively affecting pro play (4gate being addressed in next patch). Rule changes should happen only when necessary

Will be interesting to hear more pros on this. It seems to me like this could lead to a slippery slope of unstable casual play, leading to more changes. 2 gate Zealot pressure against Zerg is going to be the next problem, just as it was earlier last year which caused them to increase Zealot build times.

I'd rather see something done about Sentries
Now they're just doing a flat 20-second increase to warp gate research with no other changes, which is probably pretty reasonable for everyone
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2011, 04:43:36 PM
I was catching up on GSL last night and watched the NesTea v Anypro series. After that I noticed gom had a live stream available so I tuned in and saw the final minute of the NesTea v sC last game. Damn wish I didn't see that  :lol

I'm gonna watch the entire series today. Everyone is saying it was awesome
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on May 13, 2011, 11:36:03 PM
GSL finals tonight. No Terran!

I guess I want to see Inca win. Korea needs more great Protoss

On a side note, I'm like 9-11 since I started going just mass marine medivac in TvZ lol. I can actually split marines pretty well now
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on May 14, 2011, 01:53:07 AM
Zerg 4eva, yo.

I'm about to stay up in the wee hours of the morning watching a couple Korean guys play a computer game against each other.  Ten years ago I don't think I would have thought this would be possible, or even remotely a good thing.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2011, 12:51:42 PM

On a side note, I'm like 9-11 since I started going just mass marine medivac in TvZ lol. I can actually split marines pretty well now

I can attest to this. I was basically sitting in my base waiting for attacks lol. First few, I'd decimate your marines with Banelings. Then they start splitting and I start crying.

I'm still in Texas, dunno if I want to download the GOM player and possibly be caught by my southern relatives watching two Asian dudes playing vidyagames.

Nestea should be the favorite, and he says ZvP is a strong matchup for him but I tend to believe a worse toss player can take multiple games off a zerg no matter the skill difference. Will be fun to watch regardless.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on May 14, 2011, 04:50:55 PM
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I'm still in Texas

Was wondering why you haven't been on. Been playing a lot the last couple days. We need to do some more 2s when you get home.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2011, 02:23:00 AM
MLG/GSL exchange deal
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222580

Whoa whoa, just heard about this. I'd imagine some folks will say foreigners are being given quite a leg up here, but coming in 1-4th in MLG pretty much means you should be at least good enough to compete with Code A folks; the players who get to go to Korea certainly won't be push overs. Looking back at the previous MLG, three of the four finalists are very good (Naniwa, SelecT, and Kiwikaki), with InControl being the most questionable person in the group (but still a good player obviously)

The benefits of this are going to be quite amazing. Top foreigners will get to compete and practice with some of the best players in the world, and 4 Koreans will get a chance to make very good money.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on May 15, 2011, 02:37:29 AM
http://itmejp.blip.tv/file/5143255/  <-- Discussion of the exchange about four minutes in.  Worth listening to InControl's take.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2011, 01:02:02 AM
Gonna listen tonight/tomorrow, sweet. In the meantime

(nsfw, but no nudity)
http://kellymilkies.tumblr.com/post/5533930355/fhm-photo-shoot-pictures-and-article-u
 :-\
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 17, 2011, 07:15:04 AM
Gonna listen tonight/tomorrow, sweet. In the meantime

(nsfw, but no nudity)
http://kellymilkies.tumblr.com/post/5533930355/fhm-photo-shoot-pictures-and-article-u
 :-\

Did that link just auto-play music? Terrible.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2011, 06:02:17 PM
So...yea. GSL finals. Yea...
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on May 28, 2011, 10:46:25 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBBQRwQ5YIM[/youtube]
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 28, 2011, 11:30:19 PM
I want to watch, but I haven't beaten the WoL campaign yet lmao.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on May 31, 2011, 02:40:12 PM
People who Auto-tune shit need to be gassed.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on May 31, 2011, 08:02:20 PM
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/game/heart-of-the-swarm-preview/

Zerg porn.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 31, 2011, 08:38:34 PM
This is hilarious, Blizz related:

*incredibly old unfunny meme*

DIAF
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2011, 01:18:46 AM
Watched the Q&A. No plans for LAN support. smh. Blizz should at least provide a LAN version of the game for major tournaments to use; hopefully someone asks that question soon.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2011, 02:30:32 AM
ST Bomber missed his flight to the US due to visa issues, so he won't be attending MLG. Guess who his replacement is

spoiler (click to show/hide)
MC
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=228922

He'll be playing Idra, who's been practicing for ZvT over the last couple weeks. damn
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Oh, and apparently July is going to. Wow, I've arguing on GAF that the Koreans weren't going to dominate, how the gap should be narrower on foreign soil/jet lag/lack of experience against US/EU play styles blah blah blah. Yea....I'd imagine there's gonna be a lot of upset white people in Columbus
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on June 04, 2011, 02:11:51 AM
July's in the open bracket.  I just watched the replay of one of his games.  Terran who doesn't wall off, and July just runs some speedlings in at the five minute mark.  :picardwtf

How do they select open bracket players?
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2011, 03:15:37 AM
MLG hosts online qualifiers for the open bracket, which determines seeds and invites.

Oh man, looks like a lot of the open bracket replays are already available. Was going to head to bed, but I'll watch some July matches first
http://s3.majorleaguegaming.com/2011-columbus-starcraft2-open.html

In terms of the winning bracket (spoilers from today):
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Idra's play against MC was crazy. Looks like he perfected the aggressive play of July with a host of impressive drops and counter attacks. I really expected him to leave the second game during that Zealot rush, but he kept his composure and did some type of magic trick, because I've never seen 6-8 lings and a Queen roll over Zealots like that. Damn. He's been on a roll lately, outside of being beat down by DDE in the Complexity small tournament finals last week or so.

So far the Koreans are doing pretty well. MMA and Losira are on top of their brackets, and the other Koreans have 1 loss each. Can't wait for tomorrow.

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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on June 04, 2011, 03:21:42 AM
I heard that was a good matchup.  Missed almost everything today (have a free pass from the MLG Dallas fiasco) but I'm hoping to blow off stuff over the weekend to watch some computer games gettin' played.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2011, 07:30:18 PM
I really enjoyed MLG Columbus; they rebounded from the frustrating Dallas fiasco and presented a solid weekend of games and drama. Too bad Blizzard has no plans for LAN support, it would really make tournaments better. Or at least, a LAN client for big tournaments; if they don't want to release it to everyone, fine.

Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on October 04, 2011, 04:32:17 AM
This Idra kid's gonna be pretty good.  You just watch.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2011, 03:28:07 PM
Amazing play. His mid/late game ZvT has been relatively strong for awhile. He struggles more with the early game, which has led to many losses for him; Jinro somehow managed to bunker rush him in pool play, on cross map positions Shakuras. I must admit I kinda wondered if there could be some team match fixing before that series with Puma began, but Idra won that straight up; Puma needs to work on his macro, and moving b

The finals was interesting. I figured Elfi would win, as Idra's ZvP is his worst match up+the patch nerfs. And oh man, when Xel Naga Caverns came up I thought "bah, Elfi will tie it up here." I almost always do a Roach/ling rush on that map due to how hard the late game becomes, and certainly didn't expect Idra to do it.

Can't wait for IPL3 in a few days, plus I need to catch up on the GSL round of 16 matches
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2011, 03:20:15 AM
dat GSL Finals @ Blizzcon. Amazing crowd, amazing games. I really didn't expect such a good, shocking series  :o
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2011, 12:51:45 AM
some TvZ 2v2 strats http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TZ_Strategy
*daps Cajole* :rock

Got back into diamond league for 1v1, thank you based god. I need to play more to get back to my previous skill level though
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2011, 08:18:22 PM
http://twitter.com/CatsPajamasSC2/status/130072861728706560
:drudge :drudge :drudge

IGN is going to stream our game tomorrow at 6:30pm pacific! I feel so bad knowing thousands of people will see my shitty play lol.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 29, 2011, 04:31:43 AM
Yep those strats were what I was talking about.

And :o at getting to be streamed
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2011, 04:01:49 AM
My streamed game that thousands of people saw lol
http://www.justin.tv/ignproleague/b/298704000
:drudge :drudge :drudge

skip to the 1:29:26 mark. At first I thought he was trolling, but then I started getting nervous it was real.  :lol

i gave him the wrong twitter initially lmao. Crap, I should have plugged The Bore
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 30, 2011, 05:00:22 PM
:o

PD, what damage indicator setting do you use? I use "selected" I see this guy uses all.

oh GOD how did you lose that??!?! :(
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 30, 2011, 05:22:40 PM
Ahaha holy crap. PD is e-famous!
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2011, 09:48:51 PM
I was so nervous  :lol

But yea, having watched that video twice I feel so crappy lol. I won that first huge engage but threw most of my Mutas away; totally forgot about them as I started building lings. Damn, if I had just taken those Mutas directly to his main I would have destroyed him
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 30, 2011, 09:49:59 PM
Ahaha holy crap. PD is e-famous!

meh he still only has 156 twitter followers
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2011, 11:10:45 PM
lol I was in the chat watching the game live, people were freaking out but no one followed me on twitter

:fbm
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 30, 2011, 11:53:16 PM
lol I was in the chat watching the game live, people were freaking out but no one followed me on twitter

:fbm

I would have figured you'd get some followers. You were obviously pretty good. Although watching from that other dude's standpoint he really wasn't that good, at least not that game.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2011, 01:00:33 PM
To make matters worse, he played his placement match right after our game and got demoted to platinum lol

Showed it to my brother and freaked him out lol. We've been watching HD's casts since the beta. I can die happy knowing HD said I had good creep spread
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 31, 2011, 04:37:31 PM
To make matters worse, he played his placement match right after our game and got demoted to platinum lol

Showed it to my brother and freaked him out lol. We've been watching HD's casts since the beta. I can die happy knowing HD said I had good creep spread

I'm not surprised. I seriously think my 1v1 Terran would be comparable to his. Unfortunately I am terrified of jumping back into 1v1 still. And hahah @ the good creep spread. You really did that well!
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2011, 12:30:19 AM
http://www.twitch.tv/ignproleague/b/299101569

1:11:00

oh god :rofl
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 04, 2011, 12:41:48 AM
http://www.twitch.tv/ignproleague/b/299101569

1:11:00

oh god :rofl

NeoGAF???? WHAT ABOUT THE BORE

Edit: Also, I thought you were laughing at that Acer team. Looks like a bunch of 13 year olds.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2011, 01:12:17 AM
I didn't mention either forum, but some people from GAF's SC2 community have been talking to Cats Pajamas on twitter lol, trying to get me another shot.  :lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on December 10, 2011, 05:49:41 PM
PD, you still play? Or anyone else? I'm gonna try to get back into it again, for real this time. I watched the GSL November finals and some of Dreamhack last night for hype.

I'm afraid of playing ladder again
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2011, 10:18:41 PM
Yup still play and watch, although I took a long break. Haven't played ladder in ages, too scared also lol. Been doing customs

The November GSL Finals was easily the best.

Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2012, 02:00:09 AM
I'm banned from gaf for now but I need to talk sc2 somewhere yo

I really like where I'm at right now, and if all goes well I should be back in diamond league by monday. I'm currently #1 in my platinum bracket so I should get promoted soon enough. It seems like I'm back to my expected level after all the on-off inconsistency of practice.

I feel decent about ZvZ, I'm feeling good about ZvP, I'm down on ZvT.

anyway this game is classic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um6_6icgfjU
part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9HYc-WuRiw&feature=sh_e_se&list=SL
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on January 27, 2012, 02:30:09 AM
You play Zerg, right?

You should send me some replays so I can give you advice and yell at you for missing larva injects.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2012, 02:34:16 AM
Are you zerg as well? What league  :o

One time we got Sheth to play with us on GAF, back when he was on FXO. And just last week a (terran) gaffer beat Spanishiwa
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on January 27, 2012, 02:41:19 AM
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/948100/1/Kegler/
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2012, 02:57:11 AM
Nice, I'll have to send some replays then, and we should play. I'd love to see you play GAF's masters zerg too :bow
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2012, 07:11:07 PM
made it back to diamond league today :rock

Mandark what's your general feel/strat in ZvT? Like say, against 4-5 Hellion pressure that the terran expands behind. I tend to secure my natural enough to avoid drone deaths overall, but what happens is that I get stuck on two base as the terran builds up for that big marine/tank push. I tend to survive it, but if they take a third behind it then I get further and further behind.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2012, 12:11:44 AM
Well Mandark owned me pretty good. I don't get ZvZ at all. Right now in diamond it's either a two base Muta timing or baneling stuff.

I feel I'm doing pretty good with ZvP, on the other hand my ZvT is pretty bad
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2012, 01:46:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7Yi02ndeag

holy shit @ #3, how have I not seen that before  :lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2012, 02:17:23 AM
A couple ZvP replays
http://www.mediafire.com/?o86deavegd6dkd0
http://www.mediafire.com/?a14msfvdjg4i34q
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on February 10, 2012, 02:29:30 AM
Where's your gl;hf?

What are we, savages?


edit: And you didn't gg in the one you lost.  For shame!
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2012, 03:05:51 AM
I lost so many games that night...I wasn't even thinking about manners  :-\
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on February 10, 2012, 03:23:45 AM
Watched both of them.  There's the general imperfections that come from not being a progamer and there's only so much you can do about handspeed and multitasking (though I think if you make it a priority to focus like hell then you can wind up with a much crisper first 5-8 minutes).

In the one you lost on cross spots, there was one huge tactical decision that was the turning point.  You kill his initial gateway push, including all his sentries, which cost a billion gas and are the key to a protoss army before collosi/storm gets out.  Checking the unit and production tabs...

You have:

   * 8 roaches (with +1 attack)
   * 19 speedlings
   * 14 more speedlings in production

He has:

   * Literally only probes and no other units


At this point, you wait 30 seconds then send just the lings at his third location.  You get him to cancel his Nexus, but because cannons are warping in and he just got a round of stalkers you have to retreat and he restarts it.  If you had just immediately waypointed everything, including the eggs, to his third then you could have shut it down for a lot longer.

This might seem really specific to that game and based on stuff you couldn't have known, but it works as general advice.  In many, many games toss will do some sort of attack at 8-10 minutes.  If you smash that attack, then remember that was his whole army.  Even if he's immediately getting a round of warp-ins at home that's not enough to secure a third.  So immediately (IMMEDIATELY) send your army to his third to make sure he's not sneaking it in.  Make this a rule.

I think it's a symptom of playing scared and responding to what you think your opponent might be able to do.  I noticed that game you were taking expansions late, putting up a ton of static defense, and getting corruptors before the robo support bay had been started (which made my heart hurt a bit).  It's easy to get into that mentality, especially playing as zerg, but gradually you should get a better sense of what your opponent is actually capable of at that specific point in the game and get more comfortable with putting on aggression yourself.

You ever got muta ZvP?
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2012, 03:42:28 AM
Thanks for the advice.

I often go Muta in ZvP on maps where it's harder to take a third, such as Shattered Temp or Tal'Darim.  Also in general I do tech switch out of corrupters into mutas depending on the situation.

My basic ZvP strategy is based on a couple timings, which is a good thing and a bad thing. I always get an evo chamber at the 6min mark and then get two spores, as a precaution against DTs or stargate play; I've noticed a lot more stargate play, especially on maps where it's easier for a toss to deny/harass the third expansion.

The other timing is the 8-9min one; that's usually when a 6 gate finishes, so I'll cut drones and make a few units around that time; I do try to sack an OL around 7min to see what's up, but I've lost many a game where I start building units around 8min only for the toss to take a third. Also, Cols will usually come out around the 11min mark or so, so I often do get corrupters as a precaution. So yea, I have a serious case of Battered Zerg Syndrome, and it can definitely make me fall behind

Looking at those replays, my drone counts were pretty low, especially in that second game
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on February 10, 2012, 04:09:55 AM
Having those early timings can be good; having dt's or phoenixes show up with no evo or lair tech is super frustrating.

But remember that ZvP timings depend on whether Protoss does a FFE or a one-base gateway opening.  So you probably want two sets of timings for your evo chamber and roach warren.

If he's trying to expand before 10 minutes, shut that shit down.  If you've smoothed out your opening enough, you should be able to do this with roaches and lings.  If he holds you off, then double expand.  Three bases mean he'll be scary.  In the future.  For the next couple minutes he's not attacking.  Only throw up spines if you're spending all your other money on econ/tech, like you're saving up for a ton of mutas when your spire finishes or something.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2012, 04:00:26 AM
I hate ZvZ
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?nvu7vdkz3x58rzs

Also after raging a bit and being challenged to post a replay, GAF humbled me with a casted replay of this gem of a game
http://www.twitch.tv/vggaming/b/308319007
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on February 13, 2012, 07:20:25 PM
I hate ZvZ
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?nvu7vdkz3x58rzs

WTF?  You still could have won that!  I'm calling you Black IdrA from now on.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2012, 01:42:51 AM
Thoughts on the patch? I'm very interested in seeing some late game ZvT soon, just to see how the ghost nerf plays out. Some terran are throwing fits right nw

I only got a few ZvTs on ladder today and none got to that phase, although I did lose a horrible game against mech where I should have gotten Broods. Probably would have won with them : /
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 23, 2012, 05:21:56 PM
I just got SC2 and have to say Blizz did it again. The SP is much more varied then I thought it would be, although the storyline feels less EPICZ then WC2/3/SC.

I'm currently noobing in Bronze league :rock

Any tips? I'm playing Terran.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2012, 07:44:33 PM
build marines!

this seems like a good intro guide:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6wrtettaVo


also some more tips and strategies here:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Terran_Strategy
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 25, 2012, 07:01:10 AM
Thanks man, wanna add me to your buddy list so you an woop my ass a few times?

I already read those strats :)
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 25, 2012, 04:45:22 PM
Ranked 10th in Bronze League after a gruelling 59min noobmatch.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2012, 08:29:35 PM
Are you on the US server? If so definitely join the GAF channel: just join "Neogaf" and it should put you in our channel. We've got bronze to masters players, and it's a good place to find people to play against

and the GAF thread has a bunch of info, while also cementing my shame in the thread title:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454096

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PhoenixDark
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2012, 11:40:33 PM
Been working on my 3 hatch v FFA, and I feel like I played nearly as good as I can in this game:
http://www.mediafire.com/?3zbmiebrl0fpxgv

Day9 recently posted a big Stephano replay pack, and I've been watching his ZvP a lot - especially the heavy Roach timings he pulls off with 3 base/3 gas. For me it's like tip toes a fine line between making enough Roaches to punish, and not being stuck on 200/200 with no other tech.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2012, 11:21:04 PM
:drudge
(http://i.imgur.com/BkSXQ.jpg)
:drudge
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332406

Blizzard, Kespa, and GOM just concluded a press conference. BW is being phased out, Kespa will officially recognize SC2 as a competitive game, and include it in Proleague.

There will be a hybrid BW/SC2 proleague this month, and in October it will switch to pure SC2. Including Flash, Jaedong, Bisu (playing Terran allegedly), etc
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 01, 2012, 11:38:23 PM
Buying this
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 02, 2012, 12:33:41 AM
Diamond league, bitches

spoiler (click to show/hide)
in 2v2 playing with a dude who has been in master league 1v1 before
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2012, 01:55:11 AM
sweet. What race does he play? Please don't say terran
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 02, 2012, 02:13:38 AM
sweet. What race does he play? Please don't say terran

I'm pretty sure he's toss, but when we played he was random the entire time. We only played the necessary 5 matches, though.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2012, 03:14:29 AM
Badass. I'll have to play with you guys one day

oh and Mandark, you need to enter the upcoming 1v1 GAF tournament. I've hyped you to Olympian heights, people expect a zerg savior to deny the massive $100 prize from the two guys (a Terran and Toss) who win everything
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2012, 02:43:47 AM
Just finished some 2v2s with Cajole. Whoa dude when did you become a Protoss god :bow

last game was played was against some dude who had an Artosis pylon. Haven't seen one in ages lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eHezOQkgrQ
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Himu on May 06, 2012, 03:10:45 AM
PD has been showing me the ropes on SC.

I think thanks to him the rts genre has suddenly clicked for me.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2012, 02:38:54 PM
HOTS features announced

Multiplayer resume from replay
Global Play
Multilanguage support
Clan/group system
Unranked matchmaking
Multiplayer replay viewing

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/5366967/Developer_Update_with_Production_Director_Chris_Sigaty-5_7_2012#blog

I'm very excited about all of that, yet I still question why some of that (which was in WCIII at launch, and many other RTS games as well) wasn't included at launch with the game, or in a later patch. Clan support is not hard, neither is unranked matchmaking or multiplayer replay viewing. Likewise global play was in SC1 at launch. Bah, oh well at least it's happening, I won't complain too much.

Good to see Blizzard has quickly adopted the multiplayer resuming mod/hack.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Himu on May 09, 2012, 01:20:06 AM
Me vs Phoenix Dark

http://www.mediafire.com/?y6kww47awcrhzdv

This was my first multi rts match. Ever.

Yeah. My friends and I never got heavy into SC back in the day and I mainly played stuff like like Warcraft for the campaigns.

PD showed me the ropes a week ago and I've been looking at videos, playing against bots, and playing the campaign since.

Please tell me what I did good and bad, and tell me if I stink. I prefer real feedback.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2012, 01:35:42 AM
I was off racing as Protoss btw!

I also posted it in the GAF SC2 thread, which gets a lot of traffic and has a great community.

While I haven't watched the entire replay yet, some things that I noticed:

-when a game starts, it's a good idea to send your workers (SCVs) to mine minerals, and build another SCV at your Command Center right away; you always start a game with 50 minerals, meaning you can make one SCV immediately.

-it's also helpful to set your Command Center rally point to a mineral patch, that way when an SCV finishes building it'll start mining right away. Just click on the CC (Command Center), then click on a mineral patch and you'll create a line for SCVs to follow.

Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Himu on May 09, 2012, 01:37:13 AM
I did do a cc rally point, and thanks for the tip about making an scv immediately

can you link to the gaf thread, i don't post/read there anymore so a link would help
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2012, 02:26:39 AM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454096
Hell, the thread is even named after me lol

some basic stuff from Day9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz_B9H8taG0
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on May 09, 2012, 02:38:14 AM
Badass. I'll have to play with you guys one day

oh and Mandark, you need to enter the upcoming 1v1 GAF tournament. I've hyped you to Olympian heights, people expect a zerg savior to deny the massive $100 prize from the two guys (a Terran and Toss) who win everything

Oh lawdy, I hope you haven't.  I definitely feel like I've hit my ceiling at mid-masters.  When's the tourney?

Also, have you read this thread (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=320038) at TL?  It's a pretty good comprehensive guide to high-ish level ZvP, including some helpful scouting and timing benchmarks.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 09, 2012, 02:53:24 AM
Badass. I'll have to play with you guys one day

oh and Mandark, you need to enter the upcoming 1v1 GAF tournament. I've hyped you to Olympian heights, people expect a zerg savior to deny the massive $100 prize from the two guys (a Terran and Toss) who win everything

Oh lawdy, I hope you haven't.  I definitely feel like I've hit my ceiling at mid-masters.

So you're part of the 1%?  :spin
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2012, 03:10:42 AM
The tournament is this weekend, sign up period is over sadly. Here's the thread
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471108&highlight=

I'm screwed, being on Shake's end of the bracket. He's top 5 masters, will probably be GM soonish. He's the guy you played a few weeks ago; he's beaten Spanishiwa, iirc he almost beat Idra too

Haven't checked out that TL thread yet, thanks for the link. Lately I've just been doing the Stephano three base build in ZvP. Protoss would sit back and let you do whatever you wanted for weeks, now they've finally realized they can punish the build lol
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Himu on May 09, 2012, 03:33:16 AM
this thread is helpful, pd

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3334235&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2012, 05:57:29 PM
I can't see the thread
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: OptimoPeach on May 13, 2012, 01:07:30 PM
Yeah I pretty much squealed like a little girl when I heard about the BW-SC2 merger. Bought a ticket for the current GSL season and started playing again. Can't wait, can't wait.

I was put in platinum after placements :lol and have since been demoted to gold :rofl All-time low for me. Coming back to this game is not easy. I think the most difficult adjustment is the current map pool. So many big ones now, and everyone plays so much more greedily as a result. My macro is poor enough right now that I'm just trying to play straight up so I can improve on that, but it's bad enough that I feel like I have a better chance doing noob two-base timings and all-ins when I scout stuff like 1-gate expands, at least until some of the rust wears off.

Himuro playing now? :o
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Himu on May 13, 2012, 01:52:13 PM
I'm getting better.

I took out some of PD's bases the other night!
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Himu on May 13, 2012, 07:18:51 PM
Played two matches in practice league so far. Won one, lost the other but the loss was because I had to go afk.

PD, by the end of the match I won I had almost 70 workers. :D I annihilated his two bases on the east side of the map, took out his banshees, then stockpiled and made about 5-6 battle cruisers on top of my huge force and went for this other base he was trying to set up. I nuked his barracks and wen straight for his base, then he just quit because he only had one other base that was currently being produced. He tried picking at my bases repeatedly but was always incapable of getting inside due to good defense and patrols.

I'm real proud. :D My first real win!
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on May 13, 2012, 07:29:52 PM
Man, I appreciate the nuances of higher level* play, but there's really something to be said for being a newbie, and not being constrained by constant exposure to the "right" way to play.  Battlecruisers!  They're awesome!  But you never see them after a certain point.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
*Only relative to the vast population of fellow ladder-jockeys
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Himu on May 13, 2012, 08:21:02 PM
Another victory. Check the replay.

http://www.2shared.com/file/URMXFsVN/SC2_victory.html
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Himu on May 13, 2012, 08:43:02 PM
Probably a more "clean" win? I dunno?

http://www.2shared.com/file/Z3af-iup/Novice_Kulas_Ravine.html
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2012, 10:49:14 PM
Grats Himu! I'll watch the games tonight

Had my first match of the tournament today, and in a stunning first round upset I lost to a plat Protoss 2-1. God dammit. My reign as GAF's whipping boy zerg continues. I must admit I was practicing for the second round moreso than this one, but it's no excuse

the games
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=37829043#post37829043

I crushed him in the first game with the Stephano build, but struggled against +1 zealot rushes in the second and third games. The third game was quite epic
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Himu on May 13, 2012, 11:25:13 PM
Tried out zerg on ai and holy shit it's complex.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Himu on May 14, 2012, 08:54:40 PM
I'm really frustrated. I'm really trying and any time I fight Protoss this happens.

http://www.2shared.com/file/IlBm36LT/Novice_Steppes_of_War__3_.html

I made like 6 refineries and I was still getting chump gas economy and couldn't keep up. I really don't like playing as Terran because everything is so fucking expensive to get the best shit, and by the time I get that, my opponent has a whole fucking army while I have peanuts.

Just really struggling here.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Himu on May 15, 2012, 12:15:54 AM
I placed Silver. ^_^
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2012, 12:43:34 AM
Whoa, grats dude! I'll have to post some more stuff for you to check out, maybe some basic build orders/guidelines for the early game.

Damn I wish you weren't banned on GAF, the thread is very active there, and has many terran players
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2012, 10:42:24 PM
I've been so busy with D3 that I forgot the GSL finals were last night. HOLY FUCK, that might be the most entertaining series ever. Hopefully I can find a free link for anyone not subscribing, that shit was epic

And the MLG spring arena has been going on all weekend. Stephano is killing Koreans lol. I'm not paying for the ticket though, I'll watch it next week when it's free

Oh and the BW/SC2 proleague starts tonight, I'll post a stream link once it arrives. Flash is playing tonight
http://www.youtube.com/esportstv
english: http://www.twitch.tv/saylesc


Damn, I was planning on playing D3 all day but...too...much...sc2 to watch
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2012, 03:19:48 AM
I'm trying to stay up and watch the GSL finals live but bahh....I think I'm going to fall asleep. 3 more hours jesus, pretty sure this is the latest one they've had in awhile

plus I have a feeling it'll be a blowout
spoiler (click to show/hide)
I bet MC wins 4-1. Lots of 4 gates
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Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2012, 03:06:51 AM
big patch today
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355357

The UI changes are a step in the right direction. It really helps put a spotlight on the arcade stuff more casual players tend to focus on, and allows people to rank games more efficiently. I'm still waiting for clan implementation, better stat tracking, etc but at least Blizzard is listening.

Just played a ZvT and noticed the Queen range buff was gone. I'm guessing this is a bug or glitch, as from what I understand this patch had no balance changes. And the recent interviews I saw with Dustin Browder suggested they have no plans to change things. Enjoy your bug tonight Terran, and cry moar tomorrow :smug
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2012, 09:08:31 PM
Mandark...thoughts on the creep change in the upcoming patch? Initially I thought it would lead to lots of hidden cheese (pylons, spines, etc) but so far I haven't noticed a major difference. Usually I have so many queens that spreading creep isn't a problem, and the vision is fine.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 05, 2012, 01:34:08 AM
couple gaffers streaming the HOTS beta
http://www.twitch.tv/escapingjail
http://www.twitch.tv/xmshake#

I kind of feel bad for protoss lmao. I'm sure the War Hound will be nerfed a lot before launch but still, mech could be tough for toss to deal with

edit: Shake (t) just beat ThorZain, who was playing zerg
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: ManaByte on September 05, 2012, 10:36:53 PM
Bunch of beta vids on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=heart+of+the+swarm+beta&oq=heart+of+the+swarm+beta&gs_l=youtube.3..0l4j0i5l5.229.4906.0.5033.25.18.2.5.6.1.160.1473.16j2.18.0...0.0...1ac.K_N95itZ90M
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 06, 2012, 01:07:46 AM
Seems like the ladders are being dominated by Terran right now, at least based on the streams I watch. The War Hound/Battle Hellion/SCV all in attack is looking very scary against zerg and protoss.

Everything looks overpowered but that's not surprising; the original SC2 beta had a bunch of crazy balance issues too, like 1 food Roaches. My general overarching concern is about the types of units being introduced and the general C&Cization of StarCraft. The War Hound especially strikes me as the newest poster boy of this in terms of its impact of mech; Blizz is basically saying "we want you to play mech, here's a unit that automatically targets armored units for massive damage that doesn't require any skill/micro." I'm sure the unit will see changes, I just hope they're good ones
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on September 18, 2012, 10:02:54 PM
Just played my first game in the Beta!

:bow Sythesizer Patel :bow2
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2012, 10:39:23 PM
:bow

Been playing for a few days. My impressions so far

-first off I'm glad the War Hound was removed. I didn't get to play against it, but it struck me as such a horrible unit and an example of the C&Cization of SC2. Massive damage, can't really micro because you don't need to, auto targets units that it does the most damage to, etc. Bleh. Just revive the Goliath and call it a day

Zerg yo:

Swarm Host
-I really like the Swarm Host. So far I've mainly tested it in ZvZ and ZvT. I like the siege ability it provides in the mid game, it can also be used for base defense; I think it will be a good idea to put one behind minerals to help deal with the Oracle unit that blocks minerals

-The ZvT possibilities are interesting here. You can get them out instead of Infestors and use it to basically defend against pushes, expand more, etc; just pair it with a queen and some detection in order to deal with Banshees. I used it to flank a terran army as I rolled in with lings/banelings and it worked great. Would I pick a revival of the Lurker over it? Sure, but it's a pretty good alternative imo

-I'm not sure how it'll work in ZvP though. From what I've seen in streams, it's easy just to block them with force fields. I'd imagine some proper flanking could work though

Viper

-This is the unit that made me squeal like a girl when I first saw it months ago. It's probably overpowered lol, but I like the concept

-I didn't really control them well in the games I played. They're faster than I expected and die very fast which makes sense.

-I haven't gotten a chance to use it in ZvP yet; I abducted a couple tanks in ZvT though, which was cool. I want to know whether abducting a Colosus through force fields can get rid of them...if that's the case...
(http://i50.tinypic.com/a0yqua.jpg)
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 18, 2012, 10:59:52 PM
I'd beg for a key but I haven't played all that much SC2. Really should be playing it instead of D3...
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Mandark on September 18, 2012, 11:29:00 PM
The game I played was very silly.  Protoss went for an Oracle then some Tempests.  I used a bunch of vipers to pull the tempests towards my massed queens as they tried, so slowly, to get away.  The other guy and I were just geeking out to play with new units.

With the viper and the ways it might combine with the infestor, zerg play is looking pretty spell-heavy, which is apparently how WC3 tended to be in contrast to Brood War.  I do like that for the most part they're trying to create units that function differently than others, rather than scoot-and-shoot units with different stats (and the one big exception got taken out).
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2012, 03:29:58 AM
Bah I'm behind in GSL this season but the finals are on right now, and I got spoiled. And GSL is trending on twitter  :o
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2012, 09:40:24 PM
MLG this weekend...

So yea, looks like Scarlett is the defacto best North American player. She's amazing

Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 05, 2012, 04:11:01 PM
MLG this weekend...

So yea, looks like Scarlett is the defacto best North American player. She's amazing



I searched this. No wonder you like her.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2012, 12:08:53 PM
HOTS release date: March 12th
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381771

There's been lots of talk recently about whether SC2 is in a healthy position to remain relevant or if it's slowly dying as dota games take over the esports market. It's rather hard to compete with free games that don't really have much of a skill curve for early players; SC2 is so 1v1 focused that it's easy for new players to become frustrated or disinterested.

I'm sure HOTS will breath new life into SC2, and having played the beta I know it'll be good overall (although I have some specific, big concerns), but I'm not sure about the game's long term longevity. I realize SC2 won't be going f2p but I feel like there are a lot of things Blizzard could do to make it more casual friendly/appealing, starting with a true revamp of BNet 2.0. I've seen the changes, I like most of them, it's just time to deliver. Making team games more interesting would also help.

Most people I knew during the BW days pretty much just played Big Game Hunters. SC2's focus seems to be entirely on 1v1 ladder so far, which turns folks off. I'd love to see a return to big, team (or FFA) play that really shakes things up.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2012, 08:48:31 PM
IPL's Korea vs World tournament is on right now. Stephano is on the verge of performing a reverse all kill...
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/IGNProLeague

Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 02, 2012, 09:36:25 PM
I liked 2v2 in SC1, but in SC2 I hate all the maps with shared bases. It is boring. The game in general seems to love having you sit there for 10 minutes massing minerals and holding your army and then smashing into each other later. SC1 had more small attacks and a longer early game.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2012, 02:27:46 AM
I love SC2 but you make a good point. With Brood War, most people played Big Game Hunters style maps where you had huge games (teams or FFA) that were always action packed. IMO SC2 is struggling with casual gamers right now in part because there isn't a BGH type map or mode for people to have fun with.

1v1s have seen a lot of change over the last couple years but team games have sort of stayed the same.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 03, 2012, 08:11:43 AM
I never played those hacked maps in SC1, I only played in private channels on normal resource maps.

I feel like SC2 is already kind of like BGH, bases are so easily defended for the first 5-10 minutes that you can grab as many minerals and gas as you want, and you don't attack your opponent until you have seige tanks or colossus or mutalisks or whatever.

The maps are designed for this too. Many 2v2 maps have the two guys sharing a base, making defense even easier. 1v1 maps have a very clear progression of expansions that doesn't change much game to game and make sit easy to predict what your opponent is doing. 1v1s on 4 player maps have fixed spawns on opposite corners to take out that mystery.

I liked in SC1 being able to sneak out an unexpected expansion almost anywhere, SC2 maps seem to have your best strategy kind of set up for you already.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: headwalk on December 03, 2012, 08:27:21 AM
I feel like SC2 is already kind of like BGH, bases are so easily defended for the first 5-10 minutes that you can grab as many minerals and gas as you want, and you don't attack your opponent until you have seige tanks or colossus or mutalisks or whatever.

one post cannot contain all this bronze.

Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 03, 2012, 08:29:55 AM
I do not play a lot - mostly with friends as in SC1

What I said is consistent with pro replays I watch too. The Queen buff and Mothership Core killed a lot of that early game aggression. Zergs usually have 50-60 drones before they move on to their first attack and the forge fast expand is a common Protoss opening - you know, not even making a unit production facility until you have a second mining base and some photon cannons. The game has a lot of turtling.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: headwalk on December 03, 2012, 08:45:00 AM
I do not play a lot - mostly with friends as in SC1

What I said is consistent with pro replays I watch too. The Queen buff and Mothership Core killed a lot of that early game aggression. Zergs usually have 50-60 drones before they move on to their first attack and the forge fast expand is a common Protoss opening - you know, not even making a unit production facility until you have a second mining base and some photon cannons. The game has a lot of turtling.

forge fast expand was the default opener in BW pvz, too. sc2 has largely morphed in to sc1's meta of either play as greedy as possible or hit a knife edge timing.

the game has a lot of issues, but defenders advantage and control of space are two things that players feel there isn't enough of in sc2. it's led to deathball syndromes where you need every ounce of your supply to hold off an attack, leaving little room for performing multi-pronged harass while still holding ground against their core army. it makes the game very bi-polar instead of skirmish-based, which everyone would prefer.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2012, 12:50:42 PM
Yea in BW Zerg could easily take three Hatcheries before building a Spawning Pool. I'd agree SC2's metagame is beginning to mirror BW's in many ways.

I agree with AdmiralViscen about the turtling though. BW games tended to have a rolling momentum where there were always skirmishes around the map and whoever multi tasked the best would win; sure there were also building order wins/losses too. SC2 is built around specific timing attacks, massing units until x moment, etc. It's also heavily based around ramp play which leads to lots of crammed units in a ball.

Basically when watching a pro game you know nothing will happen for the first 10 minutes (SC time, not real time). Initially when Flash and other BW pros started playing SC2 they were experimenting with some interesting early pressure builds, but after awhile they moved towards the more traditional macro play.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 03, 2012, 05:42:17 PM
I do not play a lot - mostly with friends as in SC1

What I said is consistent with pro replays I watch too. The Queen buff and Mothership Core killed a lot of that early game aggression. Zergs usually have 50-60 drones before they move on to their first attack and the forge fast expand is a common Protoss opening - you know, not even making a unit production facility until you have a second mining base and some photon cannons. The game has a lot of turtling.

forge fast expand was the default opener in BW pvz, too. sc2 has largely morphed in to sc1's meta of either play as greedy as possible or hit a knife edge timing.

the game has a lot of issues, but defenders advantage and control of space are two things that players feel there isn't enough of in sc2. it's led to deathball syndromes where you need every ounce of your supply to hold off an attack, leaving little room for performing multi-pronged harass while still holding ground against their core army. it makes the game very bi-polar instead of skirmish-based, which everyone would prefer.

Isn't this exactly what I was saying when you dissed me

Turtle to deathball to giant clash, no skirmishes (like BGH back in the day), that was my complaint.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 03, 2012, 06:16:59 PM
Blizz on next balance patch:

http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/5966979955
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2012, 09:07:37 PM
As if the TL/EG Proleague news wasn't be enough, EG has just signed Jaedong
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386382

wow

edit: one year contract
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This is a 1 year loan, during the period all rights to Jaedong will belong to Evil Geniuses. If Team Eight receives a corporate sponsorship during this time, Jaedong will immediately return to Team Eight.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: headwalk on December 05, 2012, 11:28:07 PM
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To accompany the deployment of Heart of the Swarm Beta patch 2.0.2, we’ve compiled a list of all of the balance changes made to the beta since our previous update.

Terran

Medivac
New ability: Emergency Thrusters
Speed boost that increases movement speed and acceleration to 4.25 for 8 seconds. 20 second cooldown.

The Medivac’s Caduceus Reactor upgrade at the Starport Tech Lab:
Health restored per second from 9 to 15.
Energy cost reduced from 3 health per 1 energy to 5 health per 1 energy.
Cost increased from 100/100 and 80 seconds to 150/150 and 110 seconds.

Reaper
Base speed increased from 2.95 to 3.375
Upgraded speed increased from 3.84 to 4.25.

Widow Mine
No longer hits cloaked units.
New upgrade: Drilling Claws
Decreases burrow time from 3 to 1 second.
Requires Tech Lab and Armory. Costs 150/150, 110 second research time.

Thor
250mm Strike Cannons has been removed.
The Thor can now switch between two modes: High-Impact Payload and Explosive Payload. The mode shift takes 4 seconds.
When in High-Impact Payload mode, the Thor switches to a different anti-air gun (250mm Punisher Cannons) that has 10 range and deals 24 flat damage.
Thor radius, inner radius, and separation radius increased from 0.8215 to 1.

Raven
Seeker Missile has been redesigned:
Can now fire from 10 range.
Missile comes out and stays immobile in front of the Raven for 3 seconds while charging up, then rapidly moves (it’s not dodgeable at this point) and explodes at the target for 300 single target damage.
Targeted unit lights up red when targeted. If the unit moves 13 range out of where the Seeker Missile is, the Missile fizzles.

Hellbat
Splash damage radius increased from 90 to 110.

Armory
The Armory now only has one weapon and one armor upgrade for both air and ground upgrades for both Factory and Starport units.


Protoss

Mothership
Recall now functions as it does with the Mothership Core.
Vortex now kills a single target.
Vortex does not affect massive units.

Mothership Core is no longer massive.
Oracle
Pulsar Beam
Now called “Activate Pulsar Beam” and “Deactivate Pulsar Beam”.
When activated, the Oracle’s Pulsar Beam is enabled.
Weapon deals 15+10 light.
Weapon period changed to 0.86, down from 1.
Weapon range reduced to 4.
Energy drain is now 4 per second.

Build time increased to 50, up from 35.

Phoenix
Range increased from 4 to 5. Upgrade still grants +2 range.

Dark Shrine cost is now 100/100, down from 100/250.
Tempest
Now requires Fleet Beacon.
Attacks with two weapons. The primary weapon, Kinetic Overload, hits air units and remains unchanged. The secondary weapon, Resonance Coil, hits ground units, and does not deal bonus damage to massive units.
Build time is now 60, down from 75.

Void Ray
Prismatic Beam:
No longer charges up.
Weapon period decreased from 0.6 to 0.5.
No longer does passive +massive damage.

Prismatic Alignment (new ability) increases damage to armored units by 6 for 20 seconds, with a 1 minute cooldown. This does not scale with upgrades.

Zerg

Hydralisk speed upgrade now requires Lair tech.
Mutalisk
Speed increased from 3.75 to 4. Acceleration stays at 3.5.

Swarm Host health increased from 120 to 160.
Infestor
Fungal Growth:
Is now a projectile.
Speed of the projectile is 10.
Range down to 8.

Infested Terrans no longer gain weapon and armor upgrades.
Infested Terran egg health down to 70.

Ultralisk
Burrow Charge has been removed.
Damage changed from 15+20 armored to 35 flat damage.

Viper health increased from 120 to 150.

fuck babysteps, buff everything, we brood war now.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2012, 01:58:39 PM
they even fixed Carriers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amx6y5u0o_8

Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 22, 2012, 02:03:16 AM
Flash looks scary good at SC2 already. It's weird though, sometimes he looks in over his head still, but other times he just dominates - especially in TvZ. His TvT is rather off still though.

Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 07, 2013, 08:04:05 PM
Is this our ZeroHero?

http://youtu.be/z-1W2OKOi34
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 26, 2013, 12:45:22 AM
Flash v Fantasy right now in proleague
http://www.twitch.tv/sc2proleague

EG-TL plays later tonight
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2013, 08:32:03 PM
Man, Jaedong....so close, again.

What league are you in, Business? I haven't played in awhile. Diamond 1v1 but haven't played much 2v2 in SC2.
Title: Re: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2013, 12:55:55 AM
My ID is in the OP. I'll return to SC2 and play some matches breh.