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Title: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Sho Nuff on September 21, 2010, 08:00:30 PM
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I am appalled that there are no impressions of this year's greatest accomplishment...

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Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 21, 2010, 08:04:43 PM
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Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: bork on September 21, 2010, 08:07:18 PM
Didn't even know Move came out until a couple of days ago.  And I don't care.  The only thing I have any interest in would be using the PS3 dildo to play RE5 Gold, but I'll pass for the $80 or $100 or however much it costs to get the dildo set and eyetoy.  Besides, I've already wasted enough money on failed Sony products since I recently bought a PSP Go.

can I M :-\ VE around H :-\ ME

 :lol
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: pilonv1 on September 21, 2010, 08:12:45 PM
I've heard Table Tennis is fantastic and the technology is good. But the games are just Wii fodder
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
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Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: cool breeze on September 21, 2010, 08:24:11 PM
I posted impressions in the random talk thread!  In short it's a better Wii.  If you don't like the Wii, then, uh...at least for PS3 sports, there is less waggling and wrist movements.  Ping pong feels like ping pong and it really does track the position of it in the room.  There are no real video games for it yet, so you aren't losing out on much unless you love the sports simulators.  The hardware itself is nice, but the battery life and charging time sucks (internal battery, so you can't swap) and the glowing ball gets annoying. 

Originally I was planning to hold off until there were more games, but the kmart deal was good, so I decided to pick it up.  Haven't tried the navigation sub nunchuck controller and I don't think any games use it yet.

For what it's worth, if you do like the sports simulator stuff, ping pong is really good.  Unlike the Wii, you really do need to do full motions on the higher difficulties; if a ball is coming to the left, you literally need to either jump to the left in real life, or do a back hand shot to reach it.  If you want, you can even walk closer to the TV and play the net.

best news from the entire experience: the new time crisis lets you play with the PS Move or Guncon3.  I can finally play something othe than TC4 with my dusty GC3 :rock

I've heard Table Tennis is fantastic and the technology is good. But the games are just Wii fodder

pretty much this
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 21, 2010, 09:17:31 PM
I've heard Table Tennis is fantastic and the technology is good. But the games are just Wii fodder

pretty much this

Yeah, well I mean that's the thing. The Wii has been out for years and sold like a billion units and the games still suck. Why would developers suddenly start making great games for the Playstation Move, which even if it's successful, is still only going to sell a fraction of the units that the Wii has. And I was there at Best Buy the day that Move came out, and they had about 7 bundles, and there didn't appear to be any great rush to buy them.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Bildi on September 21, 2010, 09:23:08 PM
While looking to see if Move is out in Australia, I came across the MOST ANNOYING WEBSITE EVER.

http://au.playstation.com/srp/20251730/language/en_AU/content/index.html

Wow.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Trent Dole on September 21, 2010, 09:41:05 PM
While looking to see if Move is out in Australia, I came across the MOST ANNOYING WEBSITE EVER.

http://au.playstation.com/srp/20251730/language/en_AU/content/index.html

Wow.
hahaha holy shit
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Sho Nuff on September 21, 2010, 09:49:33 PM
While looking to see if Move is out in Australia, I came across the MOST ANNOYING WEBSITE EVER.

http://au.playstation.com/srp/20251730/language/en_AU/content/index.html

Wow.

Oh my god  :lol
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 21, 2010, 09:51:44 PM
The movie is amazing, sports champions is a amazing game and worth the money alone. gladiators is fuckign pro. i bought 2 moves just for that game.

plus you have a couple AAA titles being updated to include move including heavy rain

kinect aint got shit on this
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: cool breeze on September 21, 2010, 10:05:52 PM
I've heard Table Tennis is fantastic and the technology is good. But the games are just Wii fodder

pretty much this

Yeah, well I mean that's the thing. The Wii has been out for years and sold like a billion units and the games still suck. Why would developers suddenly start making great games for the Playstation Move, which even if it's successful, is still only going to sell a fraction of the units that the Wii has. And I was there at Best Buy the day that Move came out, and they had about 7 bundles, and there didn't appear to be any great rush to buy them.

yeah, the thing will probably bomb hard.  As for why developers might make projects on it, I don't think they will.  If they need a reason, the fact that it actually works is one.  But even Motion Plus is a huge improvement over the regular shitty wii remote and there are like four games that support it (not including zelda).  Also, the best Wii games don't really use motion controls in a significant way.  That includes the two Mario Galaxy games.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: pilonv1 on September 21, 2010, 10:07:11 PM
While looking to see if Move is out in Australia, I came across the MOST ANNOYING WEBSITE EVER.

http://au.playstation.com/srp/20251730/language/en_AU/content/index.html

Wow.

:auscry
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 21, 2010, 10:14:02 PM
what Move isnt going to bomb hard, it's already sold out at most online retailers
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 21, 2010, 10:25:37 PM
It's available on Amazon. Where is it sold out?

I have heard 0 normal people talk about this. I do hear normal people talk about Kinect from time to time.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 21, 2010, 10:27:09 PM
It was sold out all week, they just resupplied. I ordered my 2nd move on friday and they didnt get more suppleis until today.

the move is amazing and it's selling, which is good. if anyone says otherwise they're a xbot or a nfag
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 21, 2010, 10:30:56 PM
I ordered my 2nd move on friday

wtf :lol
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 21, 2010, 10:31:33 PM
i guess you can say i like to move it move it
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Third on September 22, 2010, 08:37:35 AM
Got mine yesterday. Still haven't opened it.  :-[
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 22, 2010, 08:38:39 PM
Holy fucking jesus is Heavy rain amazing with Move.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on September 22, 2010, 09:33:33 PM
Holy fucking jesus is Heavy rain amazing with Move.

The only way Move could help out a piece of shit like Heavy Rain is if there was an eject button on the wand that would shoot the disc out of your PS3 smashing it into pieces against the wall.

Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 22, 2010, 09:35:48 PM
maybe you just arent mature enough for real games :patel
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Saint Cornelius on September 22, 2010, 09:51:49 PM
...but nobody but me in my household seemed interested in it. Everyone (except my father because his stance is "lol motion controls, only fun when drinking")


See that right there should be a selling point. If someone does motion controls right - and I don't think the Wii has done that yet, though motion plus is a step in the right direction - then they will win the console wars.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: pilonv1 on September 22, 2010, 09:54:59 PM
Holy fucking jesus is Heavy rain amazing with Move.

What about everyone who said the stupid controller movements were there to increase the tension in the game by fumbling around? :smug

Personally I think Heavy Rain would be appalling with waggle.

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If someone does motion controls right - and I don't think the Wii has done that yet, though motion plus is a step in the right direction - then they will win the console wars.

I don't think that's true at all. The problem is that the public is trained to think that Wii motion controls are right, and that if Move doesn't work the same way they'll dismiss it as being inferior.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 22, 2010, 10:08:26 PM
I never played Heavy Rain with the sixaxis besides the demo, so i'm just going on impressions on playing it for the first time. it's really awesome though, all the movements seem like you'd do it in real life, and the fights are amazing too
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: tiesto on September 22, 2010, 11:16:33 PM
That's my first time seeing the Reel 2 Reel video. Was surprised when I learned that it was Erick Morillo who was responsible for that song. Don't really care about PS Move otherwise, Raizing Storm is a fucking BLAST in the arcades though, that's all I'm really interested in. Pointer functionality can be useful (especially for gun games/rail shooters), but I'm just not a fan of motion controls.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: chronovore on September 23, 2010, 09:31:50 AM
While looking to see if Move is out in Australia, I came across the MOST ANNOYING WEBSITE EVER.

http://au.playstation.com/srp/20251730/language/en_AU/content/index.html

Wow.

:auscry

For real fun, you should see my 2003 PowerBook try to run the Flash on that site, rendering stuff falling. The site is surely a lesson in motion on how not to build a website, but on my machine, it's like a PowerPoint presentation of how not to build a website.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on September 23, 2010, 10:06:15 AM
When is Razing Storm coming out? I'll wait until that comes out..
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 23, 2010, 10:09:51 AM
No normal person gives a shit about move hence why Methodis is all over that shit. I've barely even seen any commercials for it.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on September 23, 2010, 10:23:54 AM
When is Razing Storm coming out? I'll wait until that comes out..

This is probably the only Move game that would get me to drop $100 (Razing Storm + Move & Camera). Honestly tho, I'd really prefer a Guncon controller.
I just hope that Sega makes a Move-enabled PS3 port of House of the Dead 4, that's all. Since HOTD 2 & 3 Returns sold me on a Wii...  :-*
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: The Sceneman on September 23, 2010, 09:39:52 PM
While looking to see if Move is out in Australia, I came across the MOST ANNOYING WEBSITE EVER.

http://au.playstation.com/srp/20251730/language/en_AU/content/index.html

Wow.

:rofl
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: bork on September 23, 2010, 09:54:39 PM
No normal person gives a shit about move hence why Methodis is all over that shit. I've barely even seen any commercials for it.

There was a big display set-up at Fry's with some guy whose sole job seemed to be to demo the ping-pong game, but nobody gave a shit and just walked by.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 23, 2010, 09:55:30 PM
well u guys are gunan be surprised when the sales comeo ut and this is big.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on September 23, 2010, 10:02:07 PM
Do you typo EVERYTHING because you think its funny?
Or do you seriously type super fast and then slam the submit key.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 23, 2010, 10:15:43 PM
aint you mr big shot internet officer  >:(
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Bildi on September 24, 2010, 01:24:03 AM
I never played Heavy Rain with the sixaxis besides the demo, so i'm just going on impressions on playing it for the first time. it's really awesome though, all the movements seem like you'd do it in real life, and the fights are amazing too

:lol I give that an A+ dude.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: ManaByte on September 24, 2010, 03:00:32 AM
Lol the local Walmart stashed their Move on the bottom shelf next to the shitty third party RB/GH guitars that NO ONE buys or even looks at.

Sent to die.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 24, 2010, 07:19:36 AM
Move, like the PSP Go, was sent out to die.  It is the accessory nobody asked for and wanted.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on September 24, 2010, 09:27:44 AM
Move, like the PSP Go, was sent out to die.  It is the accessory nobody asked for and wanted.

I think its a similar situation with the ipod. Lots of manufacturers make better mp3 players, but the ipod is a know quantity that is a comfortable decisions. Same for wii and motion controlled gaming. Also after playing with the move, I don't think  super accurate high fidelity motion controls are a good selling point. I played table tennis on the 'silver' difficulty and couldn't score a point against the AI, mostly because heavy or soft, my swings kept sending the ball out of bounds.  I'm willing to guess the fast majority of consumers aren't going to 'appreciate' the learning curve and would rather have something:

Cheaper
More accessible

Kinda, again,  how apple sells alot of stuff on the premise of being intuitive and accessible, if not 'open' and customisable.

There's also the fact the Move is named liked a derivative product and looks like a tacky derivative product with the lolipop aesthetics and has a derivative software catalouge.  No more appealing than those knockoff Wii systems you see preloaded with knockoff wii sports clones.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: chronovore on September 24, 2010, 09:37:28 AM
Move, like the PSP Go, was sent out to die.  It is the accessory nobody asked for and wanted.

Yeah, that seems about right. Move has more tanking power than an M1-A1 or a Panzer.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 24, 2010, 10:22:25 AM
I think the bigger problem is that if you aren't specifically paying attention, Move commercials are indistinguishable from Wii ones. The average person might not even realize they are looking at a new product.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: magus on September 24, 2010, 11:13:09 AM
you know i would wish this would get a minimum modicum of success so at least nintendo can feel somewhat bothered and do a "WIIMOTION PLUS EX ALPHA!" that finaly works as it should >:(
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: cool breeze on September 24, 2010, 12:46:28 PM
yeah, the people who bought the Wii, as in, not the same people that championed the Gamecube and N64 and weren't alive before the N64, don't care about higher fidelity of motion controls.  There are really only two types of games that sell on the Wii: 1) Nintendo games 2) broken ass waggle party games.  The Nintendo games sell because it is Nintendo.  I mean, NSMB Wii has the controller side ways and rarely uses waggle (thank goodness); the existing PS3 sixaxis is capable of doing everything the wii remote sideways could do.  Then there is Just Dance that just gives people a reason to jump around and act assy.  Just Dance 2 as software barely works.  Third party 'games' don't sell; the only 'game-game' that used motion plus, Red Steel 2, didn't sell.

The Move seems like it is trying to grab the Just Dance people and the people who play video games that didn't buy into the Wii.  If anything, Kinect is perfect for the Just Dance people.  Among the three consoles, the biggest strength of the Move is with the games that fail the hardest on the Wii.  So unless people who have been playing and enjoying normal video game suddenly want to wave around stick with a glowing ball, they're pretty much fucked.

At least in America.  Apparently Europeans might be into this stuff because of singstar and buzz and whatever.  I don't know.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 24, 2010, 12:58:35 PM
yeah, the people who bought the Wii, as in, not the same people that championed the Gamecube and N64 and weren't alive before the N64, don't care about higher fidelity of motion controls.  There are really only two types of games that sell on the Wii: 1) Nintendo games 2) broken ass waggle party games.  The Nintendo games sell because it is Nintendo.  I mean, NSMB Wii has the controller side ways and rarely uses waggle (thank goodness); the existing PS3 sixaxis is capable of doing everything the wii remote sideways could do.  Then there is Just Dance that just gives people a reason to jump around and act assy.  Just Dance 2 as software barely works.  Third party 'games' don't sell; the only 'game-game' that used motion plus, Red Steel 2, didn't sell.

The Move seems like it is trying to grab the Just Dance people and the people who play video games that didn't buy into the Wii.  If anything, Kinect is perfect for the Just Dance people.  Among the three consoles, the biggest strength of the Move is with the games that fail the hardest on the Wii.  So unless people who have been playing and enjoying normal video game suddenly want to wave around stick with a glowing ball, they're pretty much fucked.

At least in America.  Apparently Europeans might be into this stuff because of singstar and buzz and whatever.  I don't know.

Mostly this.

Higher Fidelity motion controls while certainly better, isn't that big a deal to regular joe's.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Sho Nuff on September 24, 2010, 02:54:49 PM
We just got it at work.  :yuck

No idea what their demographic is for this but it sure isn't the casual market. Maybe this is some weird European thing that I just don't get.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on September 24, 2010, 02:57:20 PM
Just Dance's success is one of the few things that make me think Kinect is going to sell. I wouldn't be surprised if Dance Central was the number one selling game this holiday season.... well, after Black Ops.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 24, 2010, 03:52:37 PM
Just Dance's success is one of the few things that make me think Kinect is going to sell. I wouldn't be surprised if Dance Central was the number one selling game this holiday season.... well, after Black Ops.

While I don't want it or Dance Central the Kinnect is looking like a smarter idea from a consumer perspective. Very simple "games". Not a lot of equipment and controllers. And I agree. Dance Central is the closest thing on either the move or Kinnect that looks like it has some mainstream appeal. If Microsoft was smart they would market the hell out of that title.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 24, 2010, 04:01:09 PM
http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-playstation-move-round-up/17-3273/

I feel like as a waggle game, Kung-Fu Rider would be better as a Kinect game. At least more involved.

That shit with the fan at 13:00 was kinda cool I guess
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 24, 2010, 08:29:14 PM
Just Dance's success is one of the few things that make me think Kinect is going to sell. I wouldn't be surprised if Dance Central was the number one selling game this holiday season.... well, after Black Ops.

While I don't want it or Dance Central the Kinnect is looking like a smarter idea from a consumer perspective. Very simple "games". Not a lot of equipment and controllers. And I agree. Dance Central is the closest thing on either the move or Kinnect that looks like it has some mainstream appeal. If Microsoft was smart they would market the hell out of that title.
Why? It's been done already on the PS2 called EyeToy:Dance.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 24, 2010, 08:31:07 PM
the fact is this is selling like hot cakes and xbots are so scared because sony is profitable and put out a great device.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on September 24, 2010, 08:45:37 PM
If the wii stopped selling now, it would still take years for either system to catch up.  I'm a better fanboy, deal with it. smirk smirk smirk
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 24, 2010, 09:23:39 PM
yeah, the people who bought the Wii, as in, not the same people that championed the Gamecube and N64 and weren't alive before the N64, don't care about higher fidelity of motion controls.  There are really only two types of games that sell on the Wii: 1) Nintendo games 2) broken ass waggle party games.  The Nintendo games sell because it is Nintendo.  I mean, NSMB Wii has the controller side ways and rarely uses waggle (thank goodness); the existing PS3 sixaxis is capable of doing everything the wii remote sideways could do.  Then there is Just Dance that just gives people a reason to jump around and act assy.  Just Dance 2 as software barely works.  Third party 'games' don't sell; the only 'game-game' that used motion plus, Red Steel 2, didn't sell.

The Move seems like it is trying to grab the Just Dance people and the people who play video games that didn't buy into the Wii.  If anything, Kinect is perfect for the Just Dance people.  Among the three consoles, the biggest strength of the Move is with the games that fail the hardest on the Wii.  So unless people who have been playing and enjoying normal video game suddenly want to wave around stick with a glowing ball, they're pretty much fucked.

At least in America.  Apparently Europeans might be into this stuff because of singstar and buzz and whatever.  I don't know.

Anyone who wants waggle owns, owned at one point, or intends to own a Wii.  The Move is merely a "me too" product that came out four years after the original.

Which is why I thought it was sent out to die.  Nothing really compelling for it and the half assed Wii Sports clones are just going through the motions.  I expect it to be treated like the PSP Go: marketed briefly and then quickly forgotten.

I'm halfway tempted to get a Move because it might go for a lot of money down the road when people like to pay lots of money for obscure, near worthless gaming accessories (like the ROB).

Edit: PSP Go, not just the PSP
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 24, 2010, 09:30:04 PM
It's not gonna be that low volume
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 24, 2010, 09:47:19 PM
It's not gonna be that low volume

I'm banking on that after a few times getting played, they will be relegated to closets and boxes in the homes of the few people that bother to buy it.  Then a year or two later, when moving or spring cleaning and discovering their old Move, they will assume it was some toy gun that an obnoxious nephew left behind, tossing it in the trash.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 24, 2010, 09:47:47 PM
yeah, the people who bought the Wii, as in, not the same people that championed the Gamecube and N64 and weren't alive before the N64, don't care about higher fidelity of motion controls.  There are really only two types of games that sell on the Wii: 1) Nintendo games 2) broken ass waggle party games.  The Nintendo games sell because it is Nintendo.  I mean, NSMB Wii has the controller side ways and rarely uses waggle (thank goodness); the existing PS3 sixaxis is capable of doing everything the wii remote sideways could do.  Then there is Just Dance that just gives people a reason to jump around and act assy.  Just Dance 2 as software barely works.  Third party 'games' don't sell; the only 'game-game' that used motion plus, Red Steel 2, didn't sell.

The Move seems like it is trying to grab the Just Dance people and the people who play video games that didn't buy into the Wii.  If anything, Kinect is perfect for the Just Dance people.  Among the three consoles, the biggest strength of the Move is with the games that fail the hardest on the Wii.  So unless people who have been playing and enjoying normal video game suddenly want to wave around stick with a glowing ball, they're pretty much fucked.

At least in America.  Apparently Europeans might be into this stuff because of singstar and buzz and whatever.  I don't know.

Anyone who wants waggle owns, owned at one point, or intends to own a Wii.  The Move is merely a "me too" product that came out four years after the original.

Which is why I thought it was sent out to die.  Nothing really compelling for it and the half assed Wii Sports clones are just going through the motions.  I expect it to be treated like the PSP Go: marketed briefly and then quickly forgotten.

I'm halfway tempted to get a Move because it might go for a lot of money down the road when people like to pay lots of money for obscure, near worthless gaming accessories (like the ROB).

Edit: PSP Go, not just the PSP

Besides the fact that theres already two killer apps for it? Heavy Rain and Sports Champions?
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 24, 2010, 09:48:19 PM
If you guys think thats whats going to happen to the move, i'd love to hear your "fair and unbiased" views on why Kinect is going to be this amazing super stopper thing.  :lol
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 24, 2010, 09:52:51 PM
yeah, the people who bought the Wii, as in, not the same people that championed the Gamecube and N64 and weren't alive before the N64, don't care about higher fidelity of motion controls.  There are really only two types of games that sell on the Wii: 1) Nintendo games 2) broken ass waggle party games.  The Nintendo games sell because it is Nintendo.  I mean, NSMB Wii has the controller side ways and rarely uses waggle (thank goodness); the existing PS3 sixaxis is capable of doing everything the wii remote sideways could do.  Then there is Just Dance that just gives people a reason to jump around and act assy.  Just Dance 2 as software barely works.  Third party 'games' don't sell; the only 'game-game' that used motion plus, Red Steel 2, didn't sell.

The Move seems like it is trying to grab the Just Dance people and the people who play video games that didn't buy into the Wii.  If anything, Kinect is perfect for the Just Dance people.  Among the three consoles, the biggest strength of the Move is with the games that fail the hardest on the Wii.  So unless people who have been playing and enjoying normal video game suddenly want to wave around stick with a glowing ball, they're pretty much fucked.

At least in America.  Apparently Europeans might be into this stuff because of singstar and buzz and whatever.  I don't know.

Anyone who wants waggle owns, owned at one point, or intends to own a Wii.  The Move is merely a "me too" product that came out four years after the original.

Which is why I thought it was sent out to die.  Nothing really compelling for it and the half assed Wii Sports clones are just going through the motions.  I expect it to be treated like the PSP Go: marketed briefly and then quickly forgotten.

I'm halfway tempted to get a Move because it might go for a lot of money down the road when people like to pay lots of money for obscure, near worthless gaming accessories (like the ROB).

Edit: PSP Go, not just the PSP

Besides the fact that theres already two killer apps for it? Heavy Rain and Sports Champions?

If Heavy Rain and Sports Champions are the killer apps for it, Move never stood a chance.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on September 24, 2010, 09:57:45 PM
If you guys think thats whats going to happen to the move, i'd love to hear your "fair and unbiased" views on why Kinect is going to be this amazing super stopper thing.  :lol

Who around here has ever been excited about Kinect?  No one.  The sooner that piece of crap fails the better.

But Linkzg is right. The only thing Kinect has going for it is that's it's actually different from Move and Wii which are more like 1:1 to the average layman and that may be just enough to trick a grandma or two into buying that fucking overpriced webcam.


Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on September 24, 2010, 09:57:49 PM
I haven't seen a single piece of compelling software revealed for the move. When there are japanese devs announcing like a dozen gritty action games for the kinect instead of your hdwagglewand something is wrong.

*I personally think Microsoft is moneyhatting everything at this point. Some of the niche japanese releases on the 360 make no damn sense with the ps3 doing tons better in japan.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: demi on September 24, 2010, 09:58:43 PM
durrrr you think
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 24, 2010, 10:00:18 PM
Microsoft buying exlcusives? whoda thunk it  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 24, 2010, 10:07:00 PM
Microsoft buying exlcusives? whoda thunk it  ::) ::) ::)

Sony probably would buy some exclusives but they are drowning in red ink over the abortion that is the PS3.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: maxy on September 24, 2010, 10:33:08 PM
Every move game is a bought exclusive.

We shall see in September NPD if move had any affect on PS3 sales...
In UK sports shit debuted at No.2 but that doesn't tell us much since No.3 sold about 10k and No1. about 430k

There was no effect on hardware,it looks like it was bought by people that already own PS3 and a camera.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: maxy on September 26, 2010, 12:19:59 PM
well well it looks like i was right,calibration calibration

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After playing for a few hours with various members of my family, there are a few big fucking problems. One, for the EyeToy to properly recognize things, you really do need the advertised 8-to-10 feet. Otherwise it frequently fails to recognize what it should. That's a huge fucking load of floor real estate and I could not find a single room in my house to accommodate such a space, even when moving couches and beds back (I tried the PS3 in my bedroom and the family room).

And two, we were trying to get our four year old niece to play, and she really wanted to, but it took like forty tries to get her calibrated and even when it was it registered only about half of her moves. Which is really ridiculous for a family oriented device.

This is all back to my rant back a year about the wiimote... about how even though these controllers are supposed to be about immersion, the 'merging' of controller and player, more frequently than not, these controllers DEMAND the players attention, constantly taking one out of the fun. It's an immersion-killer, really. There's so many hindrances to the proper precision and accuracy of these things that it's hard ever to get the ideal settings for everybody, and that's simply not cool. Until we get to that point, motion controllers will always play second fiddle to superior methods of control.

And a final niggle: the EyeToy's resolution is abominable and they really shouldn't have cheaped out with that shit. Shoulda upgraded for this new wave of titles.

Anyway, that's about it.
Amir0x destroying move fanatics,he even posted some videos
:rofl

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=407226&page=70 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=407226&page=70)

His niece must be a hardcore xbot obviously.
Move would probably self-destruct if it saw me,lol


He is not the only one

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Getting even more frustrated with this now. It's pretty useless in my front room in the day now. Gets too confused with bright sunlight as it is now too bright and either cannot see the orb or worse still it locks on to other areas if bright light. It tracked one of the toys in eyepet to my daughters head because of a shard of light was on their face. :lol:. Also everytime the light changed outside the cameras picture changed colour balance. So I now have something I can probably only use for a small window of time and on non sunny days, brilliant. Did they actually test this in a real environment.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 26, 2010, 12:38:52 PM
well when each member of your family requires a king size bed to fit one, of corse your going to have problems with "floor real estate"
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 26, 2010, 12:43:50 PM
That is because the Move isn't meant for filthy poors and fatasses who can't find the necessary space.  Move is for ballers who have huge houses and fuck dimes on the regular...
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on September 26, 2010, 02:41:34 PM
well when each member of your family requires a king size bed to fit one, of corse your going to have problems with "floor real estate"

I gotta admit.  That made me laugh.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Sho Nuff on September 26, 2010, 02:56:35 PM
[youtube=560,345]esLvMOAGBFw[/youtube]

Here's Amirox's video
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on September 26, 2010, 03:08:46 PM
Looks fun.  So I get to spend over a $100, fuck around all day with callibrations, AND play Heavy Rain again?

Dream come true.   :american
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 26, 2010, 03:22:06 PM
I can tell you his fucking problem right there. He has the camera ontop of the TV. He could put it on the bottom and be able to calibrate it perfectly.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Sho Nuff on September 26, 2010, 03:39:17 PM
You should go to his house and help him
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 26, 2010, 03:43:44 PM
go suck on his fat lards you piece of hyper shit
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 26, 2010, 03:44:27 PM
FUCK i made a pact to not get banned anymore, i apologize green journalist I mean particlerealty.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: originalz on September 26, 2010, 11:35:08 PM
Well, with all of these space requirements, I guess we won't have to worry about Japanese devs dedicating too much time to these devices since a lot of Japanese homes don't have rooms big enough to accommodate Move or Kinect.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: cool breeze on September 27, 2010, 12:07:56 AM
It mostly works fine at around 6 feet for me, but I do feel like they expect me to go back further.  In table tennis I'm right at the table and in most videos you see the paddle a bit further back.  Maybe that can go away with tricking the calibration or whatnot.  That's only for sports champions and games that make you do full body motions.  Most of them can work as close as 3 or 4 feet sitting down like you would play the Wii.  I'm sure Kinect will be similar and the 8-10 feet requirement is because it needs to get an image of your full body.  At least with move, if you're too close for the sports champions games, the controller gets out of the camera's view if you extend your arm.  That's more of a problem with how cameras work than the tech, though, you can argue that having a camera be so important to the tech is a bad idea to begin with.

And the camera resolution is VGA 60fps, 320x240 120fps.  In good lighting conditions it is fine, but it has to calibrate to pick up the ball, which ends up making the imagine worse.  IIRC Kinect's image camera is even worse with VGA at 30fps.  It two more (?) sensors that make it better for games, but like the PS3 camera, the pictures it will take will probably be bad. 
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: pilonv1 on September 27, 2010, 12:23:06 AM
:lol: Eye Toy on PS2 had issues with light in 2004. Still a problem :gloomy
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: chronovore on September 27, 2010, 04:09:29 AM
the fact is this is selling like hot cakes and xbots are so scared because sony is profitable and put out a great device.
Just Dance's success is one of the few things that make me think Kinect is going to sell. I wouldn't be surprised if Dance Central was the number one selling game this holiday season.... well, after Black Ops.

While I don't want it or Dance Central the Kinnect is looking like a smarter idea from a consumer perspective. Very simple "games". Not a lot of equipment and controllers. And I agree. Dance Central is the closest thing on either the move or Kinnect that looks like it has some mainstream appeal. If Microsoft was smart they would market the hell out of that title.
Why? It's been done already on the PS2 called EyeToy:Dance.
go suck on his fat lards you piece of hyper shit

Great googly moogly, I just now took you off Ignore when you make one decent post over in the K-pop thread (it was off topic, but still...), and the very next thread I enter you seem to be making a concerted effort to shit it up.

Welcome back to PLONKville.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: cool breeze on September 27, 2010, 08:27:52 AM
:lol: Eye Toy on PS2 had issues with light in 2004. Still a problem :gloomy

They each have their solutions.  Sony's part of the reason the ball glows is so it could be tracked in the dark.  The PS3 Camera is capable of doing some of what Kinect does under good lighting conditions.  Kinect's other camera/sensors are able to pick up your body in the dark (unless they downgraded it like everything else), so it isn't a problem there.  That is unless the game requires you to see an image of yourself.  There are a couple of those already for the move (eyetoy games, basically) but the only real time Kinect uses your image in games is randomly taking pictures of you jumping around.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Bloodwake on September 29, 2010, 12:19:21 PM
There's not even enough space in the GameStop I work at for Move to work correctly. Not only that, zero small children have been able to use it. Mainly because they don't understand the calibration. The ones who did understand the calibration weren't tall enough.

What a fucking mess. I actually had high (well, not really high. I would say raised) hopes that the Move was going to actually bring motion controls into actual games. Lol.

Kinect isn't going to be any better. Looks like everyone is going to be laying a goose egg this holiday on stupid, malfunctioning, expensive peripherals.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 29, 2010, 01:06:24 PM
I have about 4 feet betwee my eye and my move and it works perfectly. stop failing hard. move is amazing and is selling great.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: chronovore on September 30, 2010, 08:32:00 AM
Didn't Lady GaGa promote Move at E3 this year? They should do a special edition Gaga Move dildo and watch them fly off the shelves.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: TripleA on September 30, 2010, 10:00:35 PM
There's not even enough space in the GameStop I work at for Move to work correctly. Not only that, zero small children have been able to use it. Mainly because they don't understand the calibration. The ones who did understand the calibration weren't tall enough.

What a fucking mess. I actually had high (well, not really high. I would say raised) hopes that the Move was going to actually bring motion controls into actual games. Lol.

Kinect isn't going to be any better. Looks like everyone is going to be laying a goose egg this holiday on stupid, malfunctioning, expensive peripherals.

You're delusional if you think Kinect won't be humongous this holiday season.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: TripleA on September 30, 2010, 10:05:29 PM
Didn't Lady GaGa promote Move at E3 this year? They should do a special edition Gaga Move dildo and watch them fly off the shelves.

(http://www.presentationmagazine.com/graphics/bored_people2.jpg)
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Eel O'Brian on September 30, 2010, 10:09:06 PM
they'll both sell okay/well, but i'm guessing on a lot of store returns post-christmas

"this don't work right, it don't do what it's supposed to"

"i think it's broken, there's like a second or so delay when i move"

Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: TripleA on September 30, 2010, 10:12:51 PM
they'll both sell okay/well, but i'm guessing on a lot of store returns post-christmas

"this don't work right, it don't do what it's supposed to"

"i think it's broken, there's like a second or so delay when i move"



I predict Kinect sales will take a significant nosedive in April-May 2011.
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: Eel O'Brian on September 30, 2010, 10:22:31 PM
word of mouth will kill them both, but it will be a lingering death full of ping pong games and cartoon mascot bowling

wii could get away with a little jankiness because it was so new at the time, but everyone's over the initial "WOW" when it comes to motion controls and now they just want their shit to work
Title: Re: PlayStation Move is out
Post by: TripleA on September 30, 2010, 10:25:15 PM
Agreed.