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Title: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.1!)
Post by: Akala on September 22, 2010, 08:42:22 PM
yeah, I know this will probably be *crickets*, but is anyone playing?

DL'ing the big patch, then I'm in. Hopefully. Not sure what server I'm going to, may just go to the GAF one since there are people on there...kinda want to go with Selbina, but w/e. Guess I'll figure it out~~

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Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Bebpo on September 22, 2010, 08:50:12 PM
I would impulse buy this if I could jump right in and wander around and check it out right now because it's new and exciting.

But having to go buy a physical copy and sit through hours of patching basically kill that impulse.  So I'll probably never play it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Diunx on September 22, 2010, 08:59:54 PM
mmos ::)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 22, 2010, 09:01:30 PM
I'll just keep playing the ones that are free.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Rman on September 22, 2010, 09:20:33 PM
Isn't it still using the archaic FFXI MMO mechanics?  I hear that it's FFXI with just a new coat of paint.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on September 22, 2010, 09:31:11 PM
I hear it's like, the anti-ff11.

Whereas FF11 was party based FF14 is solo-based.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: G The Resurrected on September 22, 2010, 09:45:49 PM
I've been playing in the open beta and it cemented my fears and concerns. As someone who has played FFXI and enjoyed the game a ton (spent 293 days on just one character in game) I found FFXIV to be everything I didn't want. Not only does the game limit how you play and enjoy leveling your character with Xp modifications based on how long you play. But you don't learn any skills for the duration of the game.

Best way to describe this game is a poor mans Free MMO. Having to "purchase" skills that only last a few days in game that in a normal MMO you'd keep. The economy of the game is also fucked as far as I'm concerned. Not only do you have to deal with Crysta farmers but you can now up and purchase in game money from SquareEnix. Which is kind of a cheat in a way, whereas in previous MMO's you'd work to earn in game money.

There is no sense of being part of a community in the game. All of your actions outside the cities feel more like small PSO mission's where you and a few friends go out into the world and do said quest then return. No sense of adventure or danger from other players getting to spawn points and areas before you. The only cool new thing is the store fronts which you can own and sell things. Its like having a mule sell your stuff 24/7 you can even make partnerships with other store fronts.

I'll continue to play for the next week or so but I'm not gonna buy the game I don't think.  I really wanted a proper FFXI sequel but I don't think I'll ever get it from SquareEnix.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Akala on September 22, 2010, 11:00:43 PM
Game is kinda huh so far. No idea what I'm doing lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Robo on September 22, 2010, 11:16:02 PM
You mean a rich man's free MMO.  A really stupid rich man.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Akala on September 22, 2010, 11:18:27 PM
hey now.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Enl on September 22, 2010, 11:39:45 PM
I hear it's like, the anti-ff11.

Whereas FF11 was party based FF14 is solo-based.

Interest slightly rising. If that's true I will probably pick this up just to scrath that console JRPG itch FFXIII couldn't.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: BlackMage on September 23, 2010, 12:29:41 AM
I hear it's like, the anti-ff11.

Whereas FF11 was party based FF14 is solo-based.

Interest slightly rising. If that's true I will probably pick this up just to scrath that console JRPG itch FFXIII couldn't.

SquareEnix is this generation's Acclaim. As Bob Saget once put it, "there's shit everywhere!"
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: SantaC on September 23, 2010, 12:38:26 AM
I hear it's like, the anti-ff11.

Whereas FF11 was party based FF14 is solo-based.

Interest slightly rising. If that's true I will probably pick this up just to scrath that console JRPG itch FFXIII couldn't.

SquareEnix is this generation's Acclaim. As Bob Saget once put it, "there's shit everywhere!"

Wizards & Warriors > Square Enix

I believe SE is the worst dev this gen.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Bebpo on September 23, 2010, 12:41:30 AM
I hear it's like, the anti-ff11.

Whereas FF11 was party based FF14 is solo-based.

Interest slightly rising. If that's true I will probably pick this up just to scrath that console JRPG itch FFXIII couldn't.

SquareEnix is this generation's Acclaim. As Bob Saget once put it, "there's shit everywhere!"

Wizards & Warriors > Square Enix

I believe SE is the worst dev this gen.

You believe a lot of things.  Like Yoshi Island DS being a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 24, 2010, 06:37:13 PM
http://brokentoys.org/2010/09/24/final-fantasy-xiv-triumph-of-the-horsebirds/

what a Chinese-outsourced clusterfuck

everyone who bought this should be ashamed!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Bebpo on September 24, 2010, 06:57:04 PM
Are you sure that's not just hyperbolic sky is falling article?

I have a hard time believing the translation is a mess like that.  You think there would have been outrage during the beta.


If it is true, then yeah, 10000 troops "wooooooow" SE deserves for it to bomb.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: magus on September 24, 2010, 06:58:53 PM
if you follow the link to the NSFW site it now says that they fixed it but now there are mispelling errors everywhere and instead of "horsebirds" you have "chocopo" :lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: demi on September 24, 2010, 07:04:13 PM
Enjoy your PS3 exclusive. Good thinkg Microsoft has such good quality control and would never have this rubbish on their machine.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: BlackMage on September 24, 2010, 07:05:50 PM
Enjoy your PS3 exclusive. Good thinkg Microsoft has such good quality control and would never have this rubbish on their machine.

but they had FFXI :teehee
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: demi on September 24, 2010, 07:07:24 PM
And... from the sounds of it it is better than this turd. Your point
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: archie4208 on September 24, 2010, 07:10:23 PM
Enjoy your PS3 exclusive. Good thinkg Microsoft has such good quality control and would never have this rubbish on their machine.

PC version.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Akala on September 24, 2010, 07:26:18 PM
If this was made by Chinese, they are getting much better!

After the initial (admittedly pretty drunk) confusion, I'm digging on the game. A lot of it is FFXI nostalgia total (OMG HI REZ GOOBUE), but there are a lot of things I like. The graphics are pretty great, I like the levequest idea so far, and I don't think I'll have the time to hit any xp penalties. I haven't run into any shady translation either, although now I'll be on the lookout! Seems pretty close to FFXI...most things are probably named by mashing random keys on the keyboard. There is also a Shantoto-like taru clone that gives you a linkpearl and wants you to call her with any info comparing manhoods. I digress.

All in all, it made me question why the hell can't SE make a mainline offline FF with a back to the basics old-school interesting world?!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: demi on September 24, 2010, 07:57:42 PM
Enjoy your PS3 exclusive. Good thinkg Microsoft has such good quality control and would never have this rubbish on their machine.

PC version.

MS dont care about PC... sorry. They care about what sells.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on September 24, 2010, 10:41:02 PM
If this was made by Chinese, they are getting much better!

After the initial (admittedly pretty drunk) confusion, I'm digging on the game. A lot of it is FFXI nostalgia total (OMG HI REZ GOOBUE), but there are a lot of things I like. The graphics are pretty great, I like the levequest idea so far, and I don't think I'll have the time to hit any xp penalties. I haven't run into any shady translation either, although now I'll be on the lookout! Seems pretty close to FFXI...most things are probably named by mashing random keys on the keyboard. There is also a Shantoto-like taru clone that gives you a linkpearl and wants you to call her with any info comparing manhoods. I digress.

All in all, it made me question why the hell can't SE make a mainline offline FF with a back to the basics old-school interesting world?!

You like 48 hour cooldowns on quests? ooookaaayyyyy....
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: BlackMage on September 24, 2010, 10:44:21 PM
And... from the sounds of it it is better than this turd. Your point

you can say this turd is better than that turd but it all stinks the same to me.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: demi on September 24, 2010, 10:47:00 PM
PC gaming :lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: magus on September 26, 2010, 06:18:40 PM
somebody found a glitch that nets you infinite XP :lol :lol :lol
http://www.eorzeapedia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8563
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: chronovore on September 27, 2010, 10:54:59 AM
The TV ads for this are airing like mad in Japan now. I watched Animax for an hour at my in-laws tonight, and saw the same ad maybe 5 times. It's running on normal channels too, not just those featuring low geekery.

Sadly, I can't seem to locate the right ad on YouTube or elsewhere. It's a pretty neat live-action ad.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Akala on September 27, 2010, 12:09:12 PM
I'm enjoying docking around with it. Really like the crafting quests that give you materials. You also gain physical xp for crafting. Levelling very smoothly, but it's still early lol.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Mupepe on September 27, 2010, 01:27:37 PM
I'll be buying this soon.  I loved XI.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2010, 02:54:24 PM
is it true there's only like 8 quests lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on September 27, 2010, 03:52:19 PM
I think so. And each quest has a 48 hour cooldown which means you can only do it once every two days.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: BlackMage on September 27, 2010, 04:11:48 PM
I'll be buying this soon.  I loved XI.

you'll be severely disappointed.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on September 27, 2010, 04:26:54 PM
Currently only has a 2 star rating on Amazon.jp

:lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2010, 04:36:32 PM
Next time I'm bored I'll check out the GAF thread for the game. Probably some apologists in there

does it have raids/dungeons?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Diunx on September 27, 2010, 05:33:28 PM
What the hell is square doing to this franchise?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on September 27, 2010, 05:47:13 PM
What the hell is square doing to this franchise?

outsourcing it to china
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Akala on September 27, 2010, 07:19:27 PM
I think so. And each quest has a 48 hour cooldown which means you can only do it once every two days.

FUD. Leves/quests reset every 36 hours. :smug

There are a good few quests. Not anywhere close to WOW, but they ration them out over the different camps/zones/cities. True, there are only like 8-10 per section, but that's around what WOW was like at launch IIRC. Do the handful of quests for one zone then on to the next. There are also crafting quests for every discipline (pretty much 'maxe x of x', but still).

One thing it does much worse than WOW, or any other MMO I've ever played is (aside from not being clear about anything) is gear you up. The 'economy' is functionally fucked, and at the moment, it seems like the only way to really gear up is to make it yourself. I'm sure ways around this will come up soon.

Good Times.

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Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Akala on September 27, 2010, 11:50:36 PM
Groo, did you end up rolling Lind?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Rman on September 28, 2010, 02:19:14 AM
So SE is banning people who take advantage of the exp. bug instead of fixing it?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on September 28, 2010, 02:39:59 AM
I guess the Chinese company they outsourced the game to can't fix it fast enough.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: BlackMage on September 28, 2010, 09:19:51 AM
Oh look, Manabyte is trolling an MMO. What a surprise.
36 hour cooldown is better than some quests in FFXI which had SEVEN DAY cooldown.

The reason these have a cooldown is because they are a good way for casuals to level - if the hardcore zombies who play MMOs all day could do these without cooldowns, they wouldn't bother levelling elsewhere.

calling a shit game shit isn't trolling, it's just stating the obvious
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on September 28, 2010, 10:31:45 AM
I played the beta, which is basically the version they released to stores.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Mupepe on September 28, 2010, 10:37:45 AM
okay okay.

someone just tell me this, what are the main differences from XI?  That's all I care about.  I'm getting this either way.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Bebpo on September 28, 2010, 11:05:12 AM
How's the Uematsu soundtrack?  MMO are not my thing, but I really want to hear the ost.  FFXI's was great.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Akala on September 28, 2010, 12:03:51 PM
I'm firmly in the minority that thought uematsu's tracks were some of the weakest in xi, but so far the music has been good. Wish an oat came with the collector instead of the dumb diary.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Akala on September 28, 2010, 12:04:16 PM
OST. Fucking iPhone
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Akala on September 28, 2010, 08:52:02 PM
(http://sigs.enjin.com/sig-ffxiv/7039_0ab8ba37b42b1fd4.png)

holla  :lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: chronovore on September 29, 2010, 07:22:01 AM
You got some glitter on your kitty at the discotheque?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on September 29, 2010, 06:08:43 PM
As far as I can tell nothing's changed from the beta. The patcher still timed out like 10 times while trying to download a 400mb patch and the fucking piece of shit game still randomly crashes while just walking around.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on September 29, 2010, 06:53:30 PM
Yup like 5 crashes in the last 10 minutes. Fuck this shit.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Mupepe on September 30, 2010, 11:21:42 AM
wait, no AH or mail system????  WTF???

I loved the AH. 
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on September 30, 2010, 11:55:28 AM
No AH, no mail. No Mog house. No ridable Chocobos. No Airships. YOU'RE WALKING BITCH.

There are Chocobo stables, but you can't ride them yet.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on September 30, 2010, 12:47:02 PM
FFXIV is under emergency maintenance to translate the game from Chinese to Japanese for the Japanese release:
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/2853/ff14chinesejapanese.jpg
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 30, 2010, 01:08:21 PM
wow, that is AMAZINGLY bad

lots of items and abilities that have been in katakana since the NES days got sudden and impossible-to-read kanji titles. what the HELL.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Mupepe on September 30, 2010, 01:10:54 PM
well fuck.  I'm buying this today anyways.  I don't give a flying fuck.  :'(
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on September 30, 2010, 01:12:20 PM
Standard edition isn't selling as good in Japan as the CE:
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20100927-00000020-zdn_pc-sci
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on September 30, 2010, 01:14:50 PM
wow, that is AMAZINGLY bad

lots of items and abilities that have been in katakana since the NES days got sudden and impossible-to-read kanji titles. what the HELL.

That's not even the worst part. They're wrong Kanji. They are gibberish words. That screenshot was taken by a commenter from Japan on my site for proof it was made in China while fighting off some kid in Italy who thinks the Chinese thing was a 4chan prank.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 30, 2010, 01:50:03 PM
wow, that is AMAZINGLY bad

lots of items and abilities that have been in katakana since the NES days got sudden and impossible-to-read kanji titles. what the HELL.

That's not even the worst part. They're wrong Kanji. They are gibberish words. That screenshot was taken by a commenter from Japan on my site for proof it was made in China while fighting off some kid in Italy who thinks the Chinese thing was a 4chan prank.

yes that's what I meant by "impossible-to-read"  ;)

I didn't mean "for Westerners" I mean they aren't words
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on September 30, 2010, 02:46:49 PM
FF fanboys just can't accept it's made in China. It's like a personal insult to them if it wasn't made in Japan.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Akala on September 30, 2010, 03:04:08 PM
I will honestly be surprised if a lot of the big stuff is added in much before ps3 launch.         Gonna play some more tonight, hopefully it's out of maintenance bythe time I get home.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on September 30, 2010, 03:10:56 PM
Maintenance ends in an hour.

Saw a lot of players on Lindblum last night. Too bad half looked to be Gil farmers bunched up on spawn points.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on September 30, 2010, 03:38:44 PM
I really want to shoot some FF fanboys in the fucking face with cyanide-tipped hollow points.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Sho Nuff on September 30, 2010, 04:45:29 PM
Dude why are you playing it in the first place
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: chronovore on September 30, 2010, 10:09:29 PM
Self-hate?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 01, 2010, 12:43:59 AM
I wish I could get a refund. Every single fucking time I login the client crashes. EVERY SINGLE TIME. It's apparently a problem with Nvidia cards, which Square probably won't fix.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Akala on October 01, 2010, 09:22:07 AM
Which card?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 01, 2010, 09:39:04 AM
http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/13148-still-no-nvidia-fix/
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: BlackMage on October 01, 2010, 11:50:45 AM
I bet Blizzard employees gather around a monitor and laugh at how shitty FFXIV is. Cataclysm wins already and it's not even out yet

:bow Blizzard :bow2
:piss Squenix :piss2
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Akala on October 01, 2010, 01:08:04 PM
Runs well on a 460 :p

Upgrading everything else in December, plan on sli ing another.

I think there may be beta drivers on nvidias site?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 01, 2010, 01:16:55 PM
There are. They don't fix the problem though. Guess they don't like Nvidia in China.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Akala on October 01, 2010, 02:00:22 PM
It takes a long time to get them to code anything! There are many barriers...be patient.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 01, 2010, 02:01:34 PM
By the time they fix it Cataclysm will be out and FFXIV dead except for blind SE fanboys who will play anything with the Square logo on it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 01, 2010, 02:38:02 PM
I bet Blizzard employees gather around a monitor and laugh at how shitty FFXIV is. Cataclysm wins already and it's not even out yet

> implying Blizzard is aware FFXIV was released
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Bebpo on October 01, 2010, 04:29:20 PM
I took a listen to the battle tracks ost.  Seems kind of weird.  Like bizarre 80s synth rock.  I love Uematsu but first listen was pretty ho-hum with only 1 or 2 being really strong.  Hope the Field music is better!

I really liked FFXI's music even though I never really played the game (well played it for 1 day).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Sho Nuff on October 01, 2010, 07:58:16 PM
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> implying Blizzard is aware FFXIV was released

Zing
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 07, 2010, 11:29:09 AM
Gamespot gave Final Fantasy XIV a 4/10.  :lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 07, 2010, 01:00:27 PM
:rofl

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TripleA on October 07, 2010, 07:12:28 PM
Gamespot gave Final Fantasy XIV a 4/10.  :lol

Has Square made a good game this gen?

Honest question.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: demi on October 07, 2010, 07:18:40 PM
:bow The Last Remnant
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: naff on October 07, 2010, 07:38:56 PM
Has Square made a good game this gen?

I haven't played Last Remnant yet, bought it and lent it to Sceneman and he hasn't finished it yet, I like FFXIII too. Then there's DQIX and their Kingdom Hearts games if handhelds are your thing. They're publishing a bunch of games I'm interested in too like Dungeon Siege 3 and Deus Ex 3.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 07, 2010, 07:52:07 PM
The World Ends with You was good.

My inner WoWfag is gleeful at what's looking to be another FF MMO flop. Maybe Square will stop dumping that money into mediocre MMOs and use it to develop mainline Final Fantasy games that don't suck
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 07, 2010, 07:57:44 PM
Has Square made a good game this gen?
They're publishing a bunch of games I'm interested in too like Dungeon Siege 3 and Deus Ex 3.

Just Cause 2 :rock
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Sho Nuff on October 07, 2010, 07:58:52 PM
Has Square made a good game this gen?
They're publishing a bunch of games I'm interested in too like Dungeon Siege 3 and Deus Ex 3.

Just Cause 2 :rock

:bow Rico :bow2
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: archie4208 on October 07, 2010, 08:11:54 PM
Batman Arkham Asylum :rock
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: BlackMage on October 07, 2010, 08:13:09 PM
did anyone read that thread on GAF about gamespot giving it a 4.0?! hilarious damage control
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TripleA on October 07, 2010, 08:26:09 PM
The World Ends with You was good.

Right, I'd forgotten about Twewy.

It seems Square have grown stronger as a publisher and weaker as a developer. Hmm.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 07, 2010, 08:29:25 PM
did anyone read that thread on GAF about gamespot giving it a 4.0?! hilarious damage control

Sounds like just about every thread at GAF.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2010, 10:20:02 PM
did anyone read that thread on GAF about gamespot giving it a 4.0?! hilarious damage control

I should feel ashamed for planning to go out to buy popcorn just to read that thread
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Corporal on October 09, 2010, 01:10:25 PM
So, how about dat gametrailers 4.2? :smug
It's even more of a beatdown than the gamespot one.

Truly hilaribad damage control attempts in that gaf thread.

Square never ceases to amaze me. They could have added a G-string option for the Mithra race and a /molest emoticon for the Tarutarus to FFXI and sell that for a premium. Screwing up so badly takes great determination and skill. Credit where credit is due, this is apparently a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 09, 2010, 01:36:55 PM
:rofl

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Raban on October 09, 2010, 01:59:47 PM
After watching the review on GT, dear lord.

How could a dev miss not only one, not only a few, but literally EVERY feature that make MMOs worth playing?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 09, 2010, 02:01:46 PM
Simple. It's Square Enix.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Raban on October 09, 2010, 02:03:42 PM
But they didn't even make it in-house!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2010, 02:14:12 PM
There are rumors that S-E outsourced a lot of the development to China.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 09, 2010, 02:18:06 PM
Those aren't rumors.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Raban on October 09, 2010, 02:24:51 PM
It's pretty fucking obvious if you look at the game, it was made by people that have no grasp on MMORPG game design.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: DJ_Tet on October 09, 2010, 05:38:41 PM
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Say the game were released a year from now, full of content and polished as fuck with all the bad design decisions out and good ones in. People would see this totally differently. That's likely what the game will look like a year from now. Does it still make sense to call this a bad game?


Amazing
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2010, 05:42:42 PM
just watched the GT review  :lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2010, 05:47:37 PM
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Say the game were released a year from now, full of content and polished as fuck with all the bad design decisions out and good ones in. People would see this totally differently. That's likely what the game will look like a year from now. Does it still make sense to call this a bad game?

Amazing

:lol
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Post by: Purple Filth on October 09, 2010, 07:46:36 PM
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Say the game were released a year from now, full of content and polished as fuck with all the bad design decisions out and good ones in. People would see this totally differently. That's likely what the game will look like a year from now. Does it still make sense to call this a bad game?


Amazing

Link to post plz?

Saw it, lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 09, 2010, 07:49:15 PM
During beta I was saying the game was shit and people were screaming FUD.

Now the reviews are vindication!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Purple Filth on October 09, 2010, 07:57:31 PM
During beta I was saying the game was shit and people were screaming FUD.

Now the reviews are vindication!

Being fair reviews for MMO's are not always a good sign for quality given stuff can change but good God they could have at least set the bar higher than this.  :lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 09, 2010, 08:22:35 PM
There is no way the game will be much better in a year. It would take a massive redesign to fix the problems here, and SE never listens to complaints.

Hell, SE is trying to get the bad reviews pulled citing some BS 30-day embargo that is impossible to enforce. They want to trick people into paying for at least one month, but the game is out and they're scrambling to get sites to pull the bad reviews until next month. Sorry SE, bug you can't censor people once your shit is on store shelves.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Purple Filth on October 10, 2010, 12:06:38 AM
Well a certian poster in this thread is working overtime with the defense  :lol

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=409467&page=17
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 10, 2010, 12:19:13 AM
Whhyyyyy?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 10, 2010, 12:27:39 AM
:rofl

Now the FFXIV defense team on GAF is trying to pull out STO and say "at least FFXIV isn't that bad!"

Square WISHES they were running STO. That game hasn't even been out for a year yet and Cryptic has turned it into a really good MMO. There's nothing out there remotely as shitty as FFXIV.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2010, 12:35:39 AM
FF has officially jumped the shark
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 10, 2010, 12:43:57 AM
It tried to jump the shark, but the interface lagged when the jump command was input and the shark ended up eating the player. But they didn't know that until five minutes after the fact because that's how long it took the shark model to load in.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2010, 12:45:24 AM
Horrible joke. Final Fantasy main series game getting 4/10's signals the beginning of the end.

FF has jumped the fucking shark.

Agito and Versus better be awesome. That is, if FF14 doesn't turn out to be the next FF:TSW and bankrupt the company.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2010, 12:48:49 AM
"Final Fantasy XIV is slow, boring, broken, and repetitive, but, in a year from now, that will all be fixed through patches. 9.4/10"
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: demi on October 10, 2010, 12:50:42 AM
MMOs are garbage. who cares if they get low score. Squeenix is doing great. FF14 isnt gonna kill the company... rofl
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Enl on October 10, 2010, 12:52:24 AM
They shouldn't even have had their MMO Final Fantasies part of there mainline series rather than simply calling them Final Fantasy Online. It just confuses the masses more.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Raban on October 10, 2010, 12:59:37 AM
FF has officially jumped the shark

What a drama queen.

Agito and Versus better be awesome. That is, if FF14 doesn't turn out to be the next FF:TSW and bankrupt the company.

This is how you screw yourself, you and every other distinguished mentally-challenged Final Fantasy fan. Why expect so much? How are you not skeptical after all this time? Did you see the gameplay snippets from Versus? It looks boring as fuck. Same with Agito. Stop falling for this brand recognition, and stop assuming that Square-Enix is going to magically make the next mainline Final Fantasy better than your personal favorite.

I thought Zelda fans were the worst, but it seems after FF13, SE fans are trying to relinquish the gold medal for that honor ::)

EDIT:

They shouldn't even have had their MMO Final Fantasies part of there mainline series rather than simply calling them Final Fantasy Online.

I fully agree with this. The online games share absolutely NOTHING with the single player series outside of a name on the case.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2010, 01:02:51 AM
MMOs are garbage. who cares if they get low score. Squeenix is doing great. FF14 isnt gonna kill the company... rofl

Demi's right, even "good" MMOs suck. Might as well just play Two Worlds II or something instead.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: demi on October 10, 2010, 01:05:31 AM
two worlds :bow
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2010, 01:13:30 AM
Who said anything about wanting a new Final Fantasy that is better than my personal favorite? I just want a good Final Fantasy game that's not a remake. Fans want a good game. That's it. Not an over-glorified movie. Not some crappy mmo. But a great game - simple.

Agito trailer looks awesome.

Also, no, that's not being a drama queen. It is fact. Final Fantasy game getting a 4/10 is beyond insane, and the fact that S-E seems to be fine with this is even more telling. The series name has been dragged into the mud. It now officially, as of this game, and also with FF13's reception -- game has a metacritic score lower than FF10-2, a highly hated game in the fanbase -- Final Fantasy truly has officially jumped the shark and no longer stands for quality.

Sorry some FF fans have standards.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: demi on October 10, 2010, 01:17:15 AM
> some ff fans have standards

> ff8

> greasy fart in the mouth tastes so sweet
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Raban on October 10, 2010, 01:19:28 AM
Yeah, all I read is :'(, Himmy

I can understand your point, after being let down by 13 and then 14 being slammed by reviews, but you're overreacting. Remember what you thought of 12 when you first played it? You fucking hated it.

And please, don't talk to me about standards. From what I understand there isn't a universally accepted criteria upon which games can be judged, so what you're talking about is TASTES, not standards. And I'm sorry FF13 didn't fire on all cylinders, but acting like this is the last nail in the coffin for FF is absurd.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2010, 01:24:29 AM
How am I overreacting?

13 is one long tube the entire game and FF14 is apparently a shitty mmo. Both of which are incomplete games where content is either not finished or rushed only to be implemented at a later date or cut entirely.

Meanwhile, it takes S-E a gazillion years to make new FF games.

FF14 has received not only a handful of bad press, shitty user scores, but also two -- count them, two -- review scores from two major review sites that are 4/10. A Final Fantasy game.

And you're trying to argue that Final Fantasy hasn't jumped the shark with this game? Really? Ten, thirteen years ago if a new Final Fantasy game came out with a 4/10 score no one would have it.

So tell me, after the lackluster-dom of FF13, the shitty state of FF14, if Versus and Agito end up being average or sucking, why would anyone want to buy another Final Fantasy game at full price?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: demi on October 10, 2010, 01:26:55 AM
because it has stats and grindan
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Raban on October 10, 2010, 01:31:52 AM
I guess I don't put as much stock in video game reviews as you do. Numbers on a scoreboard don't matter to me. I agree that S-E is taking their sweet ass time with every game only to produce subpar results in ratio to the dev time. I'm doubtful we'll see a Final Fantasy 15 this gen. I agree that S-E should be ashamed of how fucking awful FF14 and how they honestly expect people to pay money for it.

But if you ask me, this kind of behavior should come as no surprise. Really this thing has been stewing since S-E returned to FF7 and made it a franchise. Since then Square has been pumping out mediocre game after mediocre game solely for the purpose of vacuuming money out of people's wallets. To pin the whole thing on FF13 and 14 is total bullshit.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2010, 01:37:35 AM
I don't put stock into game reviews.

However, this is about brand name recognition, standards and quality.

A Final Fantasy game getting two 4/10's in a row is the equivalent of a new Super Mario game getting 4/10 and not from some troll magazine like Edge either, but from two major gaming outlets. It's just something I cannot believe.

It is not an overreaction to say that S-E has put out two rushed products within the same year with the Final Fantasy name on them. As a result quality is lesser, standards are shattered, the Final Fantasy name is now effectively not attached to quality. As a fan of the series, that's all I want. Not for new entries to "dethrone my personal favorite" or whatever bullshit. What I just described in the above paragraph is text book case jumping the shark. They are now only going through the motions.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: archie4208 on October 10, 2010, 01:39:22 AM
MMOs are garbage. who cares if they get low score. Squeenix is doing great. FF14 isnt gonna kill the company... rofl

Demi's right, even "good" MMOs suck. Might as well just play Two Worlds II or something instead.

Guild Wars 2 is the savior of MMOs.  :bow2
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Raban on October 10, 2010, 01:57:50 AM
I don't put stock into game reviews.

However, this is about brand name recognition, standards and quality.

A Final Fantasy game getting two 4/10's in a row is the equivalent of a new Super Mario game getting 4/10 and not from some troll magazine like Edge either, but from two major gaming outlets. It's just something I cannot believe.

It is not an overreaction to say that S-E has put out two rushed products within the same year with the Final Fantasy name on them. As a result quality is lesser, standards are shattered, the Final Fantasy name is now effectively not attached to quality. As a fan of the series, that's all I want. Not for new entries to "dethrone my personal favorite" or whatever bullshit. What I just described in the above paragraph is text book case jumping the shark. They are now only going through the motions.

You are putting stock into game reviews. Are we even talking about the games now? You keep bringing up the same fucking 4/10. Obviously it means something to you. Do you think the average consumer even cares about review scores for video games? We're talking about something that most people perceive as a children's toy, man.

You know what other games sucked "with the Final Fantasy name on them"? Dirge of Cerberus. The PSP Final Fantasy remakes. Sure they didn't get 4/10s, but they certainly sucked enough to turn away a portion of the fanbase that was banking their game purchases based on name alone.

I stopped thinking associating a franchise with quality unequivocally was rational when I played MGS4. To think that after a couple unsatisfactory games, mind you, in your own opinion, the entire series is worthless is an overreaction. That's not my opinion, that shit is fact. All I see are bitter tears over lofty expectations unmet. Not Square-Enix's problem, and it definitely isn't a view that I share.

I'm not a blind fanboy of Square either, tbh I think most of their games post-Enix are complete shit, but Final Fantasy games are still good. Or at least as good as they ever were.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Sho Nuff on October 10, 2010, 05:25:28 AM
Hell, SE is trying to get the bad reviews pulled citing some BS 30-day embargo that is impossible to enforce. They want to trick people into paying for at least one month, but the game is out and they're scrambling to get sites to pull the bad reviews until next month. Sorry SE, bug you can't censor people once your shit is on store shelves.

Damn, really? But only GS and GT have posted reviews so far, is SE going after them?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: magus on October 10, 2010, 05:54:12 AM
yea i've heard the same thing too
here's a source
http://jin115.com/archives/51714884.html

also i posted this on the random gaming talk thread but i guess it deserves is place more here :teehee
http://bennyhillifier.com/?id=La9nLBfH44c&feature=related
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 10, 2010, 06:03:07 AM
Hell, SE is trying to get the bad reviews pulled citing some BS 30-day embargo that is impossible to enforce. They want to trick people into paying for at least one month, but the game is out and they're scrambling to get sites to pull the bad reviews until next month. Sorry SE, bug you can't censor people once your shit is on store shelves.

Damn, really? But only GS and GT have posted reviews so far, is SE going after them?

Huh? Lots of sites have and IGN has been posting a week long review in progress that keeps getting more negative.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2010, 01:35:26 PM
I hope no one pulls them. SE deserves the shame. GT puts it perfectly: the game was created in a vacuum. It's like they had no fucking idea what was going on, even in eastern mmos, and didn't give a shit.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TripleA on October 10, 2010, 01:48:09 PM
Poor Square.

Perhaps they should use some of their MicroBucks to hire some western designers.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TripleA on October 10, 2010, 02:14:58 PM
I don't put stock into game reviews.

However, this is about brand name recognition, standards and quality.

A Final Fantasy game getting two 4/10's in a row is the equivalent of a new Super Mario game getting 4/10 and not from some troll magazine like Edge either, but from two major gaming outlets. It's just something I cannot believe.

It is not an overreaction to say that S-E has put out two rushed products within the same year with the Final Fantasy name on them. As a result quality is lesser, standards are shattered, the Final Fantasy name is now effectively not attached to quality. As a fan of the series, that's all I want. Not for new entries to "dethrone my personal favorite" or whatever bullshit. What I just described in the above paragraph is text book case jumping the shark. They are now only going through the motions.

Good points.

I think the next mainline FF should be a complete reboot of the franchise. The brand has been terribly weakened by mediocre and below average entries in the franchise.

Square are in a "prove yourself" position; if Versus 13 doesn't 'fix' the horrendous mistakes made in FF13, then Square will officially be in serious trouble.

Dragon Quest alone can't float the company.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 10, 2010, 02:16:45 PM
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I think the next mainline FF should be a complete reboot of the franchise

what does this even mean? they reboot with every new numbered game anyway.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 10, 2010, 02:33:20 PM
I hope no one pulls them. SE deserves the shame. GT puts it perfectly: the game was created in a vacuum. It's like they had no fucking idea what was going on, even in eastern mmos, and didn't give a shit.

IGN and Gamespot may. SE is threatening no review copies of other games unless the reviews are pulled.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TripleA on October 10, 2010, 02:39:38 PM
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I think the next mainline FF should be a complete reboot of the franchise

what does this even mean? they reboot with every new numbered game anyway.

For one, it shouldn't be titled Final Fantasy 15.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TripleA on October 10, 2010, 02:41:39 PM
I hope no one pulls them. SE deserves the shame. GT puts it perfectly: the game was created in a vacuum. It's like they had no fucking idea what was going on, even in eastern mmos, and didn't give a shit.

IGN and Gamespot may. SE is threatening no review copies of other games unless the reviews are pulled.

Oh no, no review copy of GunLoco.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Sho Nuff on October 10, 2010, 02:42:58 PM
I hope no one pulls them. SE deserves the shame. GT puts it perfectly: the game was created in a vacuum. It's like they had no fucking idea what was going on, even in eastern mmos, and didn't give a shit.

IGN and Gamespot may. SE is threatening no review copies of other games unless the reviews are pulled.

Wow just wow.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 10, 2010, 03:11:35 PM
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For one, it shouldn't be titled Final Fantasy 15.

So a spinoff then?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TripleA on October 10, 2010, 03:19:12 PM
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For one, it shouldn't be titled Final Fantasy 15.

So a spinoff then?

No, a complete reboot.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: magus on October 10, 2010, 03:34:50 PM
so they should turn final fantasy into a gritty FPS or one of those western rpg where you decide who you get to screw and have important moral questions like "do i murder everyone or do i donate all my money to the church?"

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However, this is about brand name recognition, standards and quality.

standards and quality have been thrown out of the window well before FF14,that doesn't make the brand less strong because there will still be a lot of people who will buy the game no matter what,just look at all the people going for agito even tough they know almost nothing about it

you are part of the problem himuro :-\

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 10, 2010, 03:55:10 PM
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No, a complete reboot.

Apart from the title (I'm guessing you think they should just call it "Final Fantasy"?), how will it be different from all the other numbered games which are also complete reboots?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: demi on October 10, 2010, 04:06:56 PM
lol. He probably wants the next one to just be called "Final Fantasy"

which would... make loads of sense
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 10, 2010, 04:26:16 PM
Finaler Fantasy
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: demi on October 10, 2010, 04:27:17 PM
Seriously Last Fantasy XV
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: SantaC on October 10, 2010, 04:56:12 PM
if SE continues in the same shitty pace FF will die out sooner than later. FFXV - The final bomba

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TripleA on October 10, 2010, 05:09:39 PM
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No, a complete reboot.

Apart from the title (I'm guessing you think they should just call it "Final Fantasy"?), how will it be different from all the other numbered games which are also complete reboots?

I'm not sure you understand the concept of a reboot.

I'm talking about Square Enix throwing out everything that Final Fantasy is currently known for; archaic gameplay mechanics, horrific pacing, canned animations, mediocre camerawork, cheesy dialogue, generic tween-inspired storyline, horrendous /non-existent online, metrosexual and brow-raising character designs, the list goes on and on and on. I'm talking about Square Enix redoing Final Fantasy and thus completely redefining the franchise.

Let me know if you still have difficulty comprehending the concept of a reboot.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2010, 05:14:06 PM
so they should turn final fantasy into a gritty FPS or one of those western rpg where you decide who you get to screw and have important moral questions like "do i murder everyone or do i donate all my money to the church?"

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However, this is about brand name recognition, standards and quality.

standards and quality have been thrown out of the window well before FF14,that doesn't make the brand less strong because there will still be a lot of people who will buy the game no matter what,just look at all the people going for agito even tough they know almost nothing about it

you are part of the problem himuro :-\



I am not a part of the problem.

I have not bought FF14 and don't plan on playing FF14.

However, FF13 is a total strike. Agito and Versus must prove themselves to be viable games. I enjoy SMT games far more than FF anyways these days. I don't see why I should pay full price for games I know I'm not going to like.

Also, I agree. Standards and quality were thrown out the window a long time ago. Look at Four Warriors of Light or those Crystal Chronicles games. However, I don't think those games were received so badly they were given such low scores as 4/10. If FF fans were skeptical about S-E's development process before FF14 hit, FF14's reception has all but confirmed all suspicions: S-E no longer knows how to or has the means to make quality Final Fantasy games. Which is why I'm waiting for Agito and Versus to prove me wrong.

I think Agito will be more successful. I think a giant part of S-E's current problem, at least on the console side of things, is their emphasis on graphics and movies and stories and trying to make the audience cry or whatever the fuck. Agito looks like a more straight up gameplay first affair with moderate production values. Someone needs to teach S-E you can have a successful, fun game without the production values of a Hollywood movie. Funnily enough, these Hollywood Gaming budgets are half the reason their games take an eon to come out now.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: demi on October 10, 2010, 05:15:33 PM
So dont? I'll go buy my copy though. See ya
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2010, 05:21:15 PM
Final Fantasy 15 should be on 3ds.
 
Less budget to work with, less bloat due to size restraints, smaller development time, less emphasis on GRAPHICS and OMG EMOTIONS and more on gameplay.

FF doesn't need a reboot; it needs a change in priorities.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: demi on October 10, 2010, 05:25:08 PM
I disagree. They should re-skin The Last Remnant and call it FF XV

Can you imagine FF with a Sekito soundtrack. Soooo sick
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2010, 05:28:27 PM
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No, a complete reboot.

Apart from the title (I'm guessing you think they should just call it "Final Fantasy"?), how will it be different from all the other numbered games which are also complete reboots?

I'm not sure you understand the concept of a reboot.

I'm talking about Square Enix throwing out everything that Final Fantasy is currently known for; archaic gameplay mechanics, horrific pacing, canned animations, mediocre camerawork, cheesy dialogue, generic tween-inspired storyline, horrendous /non-existent online, metrosexual and brow-raising character designs, the list goes on and on and on. I'm talking about Square Enix redoing Final Fantasy and thus completely redefining the franchise.

Let me know if you still have difficulty comprehending the concept of a reboot.



AIght. Agree with this. But it doesn't need a "reboot" per se.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: demi on October 10, 2010, 05:29:18 PM
Himu why havent you played TLR yet. It will easily rejuvenate your Square love. It is on PC too.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2010, 05:30:41 PM
I should give it a shot, you're right.

For the record, I have nothing against Square. I think they're fab developers and publisher these days, which seems to be a minority position. If you look at their current handheld output and future handheld output, S-E is doing fine. It's Final Fantasy I have problems with.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TripleA on October 10, 2010, 05:34:47 PM
Final Fantasy 15 should be on 3ds.
 
Less budget to work with, less bloat due to size restraints, smaller development time, less emphasis on GRAPHICS and OMG EMOTIONS and more on gameplay.

FF doesn't need a reboot; it needs a change in priorities.

Given the current situation of HD development in Japan, I would be surprised if FF15 wasn't on a sub-HD platform. 3DS, Wii 2, PSP2, one of the three will get the next Final Fantasy.


Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2010, 05:36:13 PM
FF15 needs to go to 3ds. I am fucking serious.

These 5 year development times with Hollywood budgets is fucking stupid.

Bring back pre-rendered bgs, don't make every single part of the game a 3d asset, lessen the development cycle, lower your budget, gain more money in the process.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TripleA on October 10, 2010, 05:41:49 PM
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No, a complete reboot.

Apart from the title (I'm guessing you think they should just call it "Final Fantasy"?), how will it be different from all the other numbered games which are also complete reboots?

I'm not sure you understand the concept of a reboot.

I'm talking about Square Enix throwing out everything that Final Fantasy is currently known for; archaic gameplay mechanics, horrific pacing, canned animations, mediocre camerawork, cheesy dialogue, generic tween-inspired storyline, horrendous /non-existent online, metrosexual and brow-raising character designs, the list goes on and on and on. I'm talking about Square Enix redoing Final Fantasy and thus completely redefining the franchise.

Let me know if you still have difficulty comprehending the concept of a reboot.



AIght. Agree with this. But it doesn't need a "reboot" per se.

Perhaps if Versus 13 turns out great they won't need to reboot the franchise.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TripleA on October 10, 2010, 05:43:53 PM
So dont? I'll go buy my copy though. See ya

Have fun.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2010, 05:50:01 PM
But Versus 13 doesn't fix the long development cycles and all that.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: GilloD on October 10, 2010, 06:12:10 PM
When was the last time a Final Fantasy game was interesting, compelling, well-written and fun to play? Like 15 years ago. Final Fantasy 6 was the end of it.

I'll never get the FF7 fanboys- What the fuck is that game even about?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Raban on October 10, 2010, 06:16:37 PM
I'd cum if FF15 came out on 3DS or Wii. That'd be awesome. Just doesn't seem in line with S-E's current design philosophy in the Final Fantasy series.

I still love Final Fantasy as a series, I don't share the popular distaste for 13 and so as it stands the series has only crafted one critically panned mainline FF, a game I wasn't going to get anyways because I have a functioning brain and understand asians can't make MMOs.

The epic dev times work out to be advantageous for me, since when I see a new FF I get hyped to high heaven and the time elapsed between announement and release is so great that I often lose all hype and actually forget the game's release date only to purchase it months afterward.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TripleA on October 10, 2010, 06:59:34 PM
When was the last time a Final Fantasy game was interesting, compelling, well-written and fun to play? Like 15 years ago. Final Fantasy 6 was the end of it.

I'll never get the FF7 fanboys- What the fuck is that game even about?

FF7 was essentially the first 'epic' console game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TripleA on October 10, 2010, 07:04:25 PM
But Versus 13 doesn't fix the long development cycles and all that.

I know  8)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: magus on October 10, 2010, 07:31:09 PM
When was the last time a Final Fantasy game was interesting, compelling, well-written and fun to play? Like 15 years ago. Final Fantasy 6 was the end of it.

I'll never get the FF7 fanboys- What the fuck is that game even about?

somebody should post that gif that goes like "final fantasy 6/7 is about an amnesiac protagonist called terra/cloud who fight an evil empire who's trying to conquer the world trough the power of magicite/mako....."

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 10, 2010, 07:36:36 PM
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I'm talking about Square Enix throwing out everything that Final Fantasy is currently known for; archaic gameplay mechanics, horrific pacing, canned animations, mediocre camerawork, cheesy dialogue, generic tween-inspired storyline, horrendous /non-existent online, metrosexual and brow-raising character designs, the list goes on and on and on. I'm talking about Square Enix redoing Final Fantasy and thus completely redefining the franchise.

yes, that's brilliant, all they have to do is decide to THIS time have good pacing, dialogue and camerawork, along with everything else, and it'll happen! because I'm sure the initial project plans of the games you don't like all included "bad pacing, dialogue and camerawork" on their lists of intended features before development began!

I've always wanted to make a game too, but I've always gotten stuck because I could never decide whether it should be cool or lame. Could someone help me out?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Raban on October 10, 2010, 09:01:47 PM
:bow

Has TripleA been annhilated more times than Glen? Anybody keeping count? It's gotta be close.
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Post by: TripleA on October 10, 2010, 09:38:16 PM
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I'm talking about Square Enix throwing out everything that Final Fantasy is currently known for; archaic gameplay mechanics, horrific pacing, canned animations, mediocre camerawork, cheesy dialogue, generic tween-inspired storyline, horrendous /non-existent online, metrosexual and brow-raising character designs, the list goes on and on and on. I'm talking about Square Enix redoing Final Fantasy and thus completely redefining the franchise.

yes, that's brilliant, all they have to do is decide to THIS time have good pacing, dialogue and camerawork, along with everything else, and it'll happen! because I'm sure the initial project plans of the games you don't like all included "bad pacing, dialogue and camerawork" on their lists of intended features before development began!

I've always wanted to make a game too, but I've always gotten stuck because I could never decide whether it should be cool or lame. Could someone help me out?

Did you miss my previous post where I said they have greatly weakened the Final Fantasy brand by releasing mediocre games? And thus a feasible and impactful move to regaining consumer trust would be to reboot the franchise?

You may not realize this due to your rabid mentality on the matter, but the naming convention of Final Fantasy is also part of the problem. Naming the next entry "Final Fantasy 15" will instantly tie the game to atrocious Final Fantasy 14 and the mediocre Final Fantasy 13. Is that really going to help Square Enix in the grand scheme of things?

The hard truth for Square is as follows; Final Fantasy is losing it's relevancy in the video game industry. And it will continue to lose it's relevancy if they do not take drastic measures for the next installment. Now you need to ask yourself, what would be more drastic and beneficial to the Final Fantasy franchise; Announcing FF15 with improvements to the way the game previously played, or announcing a complete reboot of the Final Fantasy franchise with an entirely new set of features and gameplay mechanics? I think the answer is pretty obvious.

This might be difficult for you to understand, but when you really think about it, the best move for the future of FF is to do a complete reboot. We have seen reboots do wonders for numerous film and video game properties, hell, a Square Enix property (Tomb Raider) is currently undergoing a successful reboot thanks to Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light. So the chances of Square Enix successfully reinventing Final Fantasy (and in effect breathing life into the stagnant JRPG genre) are actually pretty good.



Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TripleA on October 10, 2010, 09:39:15 PM
:bow

Has TripleA been annhilated more times than Glen? Anybody keeping count? It's gotta be close.

What's annhilated
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TripleA on October 10, 2010, 10:14:01 PM
Anyways, speaking of Japanese franchises that need rebooting; whatever happened to Onimusha?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Diunx on October 10, 2010, 10:14:23 PM
The only great Final Fantasy games since the snes era have been Tactics and 12, 7 is mediocre and extremely overrated, 8 and 9 are good but not great, 10,10-2 and 13 are :lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 11, 2010, 12:57:06 AM
Gotta agree with TripleA.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Sho Nuff on October 11, 2010, 01:26:20 AM
I'm just wondering if 13 and 14 have done irreparable damage to the franchise. It strikes me that if you tried to reboot it as just "FINAL FANTASY" then people would get it confused with the spinoffs  :-\
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Post by: Bebpo on October 11, 2010, 01:54:06 AM
I'm just wondering if 13 and 14 have done irreparable damage to the franchise. It strikes me that if you tried to reboot it as just "FINAL FANTASY" then people would get it confused with the spinoffs  :-\

You mean more so than 8 (hated by half the fanbase for having a terrible plot with terrible characters and a kooky combat engine), 9 (hated by half the fanbase for being slow and forgettable and starring a monkey), 10 (hated by half the fanbase for being too linear and about a jock named TIDUS), 11 (hated by half the fanbase for being an MMO and later for not being WoW), and 12 (hated by half the fanbase for being too western)?

Every FF since 8 has received major hate by a large portion of people.  Plus tons of people hate FF7, but that's mainly because it's popular and they hate anything popular.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: demi on October 11, 2010, 01:56:41 AM
uh. ff12 should be hated because it was too mmo-like. i wouldnt call it western.
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Post by: Himu on October 11, 2010, 02:03:19 AM
Bebpo, expand your vocab beyond "hate" and "love".

I'd wager most FF's since 7 are liked by most people who are FF fans and most have good things to say about FF8-10 even though they're not exactly universally lauded or praised, they're still widely regarded as fantastic games of their era. There is no denying this.

FF11, too, was a very big success at one point in time and most of its "hate" stems from the fact that many of its problems constitute slow mmo play such as the party-focused structure.

Although FF12 received a hefty amount of criticism by certain groups of people, these people are in a minority. MOST people loved FF12, especially the press.

FF10-2 (undeservedly), FF13, and FF14 however are in a completely different category.

"Well, every FF is hated!" No, they are not. FF13 isn't even a shit game. It's just completely by the numbers and average. However, it has had the biggest FF fallout I've ever seen. Until FF14 that is. Those two games will do damage to the series, I bet you. No amount of S-E and Wada damage control will stop that from happening.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 11, 2010, 02:22:46 AM
Speaking of FF13

:rofl

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=23790179&postcount=1

:rofl

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Through the focus group we conducted (mentioned in the "wrong" section), we found that, contrary to expectations, the game was received very well by Western players. Also, both Japanese and Western players place emphasis on the story and battles, meaning that the style we focused on with Final Fantasy XIII was accepted after all.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: demi on October 11, 2010, 02:59:08 AM
i'd agree. more story and battles plz. ff12 exploration was snooze
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TripleA on October 11, 2010, 02:59:46 AM
Speaking of FF13

:rofl

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=23790179&postcount=1

:rofl

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Through the focus group we conducted (mentioned in the "wrong" section), we found that, contrary to expectations, the game was received very well by Western players. Also, both Japanese and Western players place emphasis on the story and battles, meaning that the style we focused on with Final Fantasy XIII was accepted after all.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Raban on October 11, 2010, 03:06:09 AM
I received it well. I'm western. AND I'm a player 8)
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2010, 03:08:57 AM
RPGs that don't have exploration in them can just go right ahead and die.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Raban on October 11, 2010, 03:10:38 AM
:(
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Post by: SantaC on October 11, 2010, 05:15:26 AM
When was the last time a Final Fantasy game was interesting, compelling, well-written and fun to play? Like 15 years ago. Final Fantasy 6 was the end of it.

I'll never get the FF7 fanboys- What the fuck is that game even about?

FF7 was essentially the first 'epic' console game.

Wrong. FF6 was the first epic console game. When playing this game I had no idea that the production value would be this good for a snes game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: magus on October 11, 2010, 09:12:15 AM
i'm all for repeating FF13 if it makes himuro cry moar :smug

but anyway i'm not sure what himuro is getting at other than "FINAL FANTASY NOW SUCKS BECAUSE THE INTERNET SAID SO,GOOD THING I PLAY ATLUS GAMES!" brand just don't stop like that,did the last final fantasy sell a million of copy? then the brand is going strong,going by himuro logic you might as well point your finger at metal gear and metal gear is jumping a huuuuuuuuuuge shark going from stealth game about a rugged soldier to action game with an emo cyborg ninja

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 11, 2010, 11:17:45 AM
FF is still selling millions, yes, but these sells keep decreasing and decreasing. However, anyone with logic and sense can look at the media treatment of FF and say that there's a problem. No, there's not a huge problem now, but there is a problem. The fact that the company pulled DAMAGE CONTROL in every single media report since the game's release shows there is a problem. All this means is they need to fix their shit because that 5 million falls to 4 million which falls to 3 million which then falls to 2 million which slowly falls to 1 million. The FF brand being diluted like this is certainly not helping.

FF doesn't suck now at all, I don't even think FF13 sucks.

You also discount the internet and its influence. Do you really think MOST people who are FINAL FANTASY FANS don't have access to the internet?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: magus on October 11, 2010, 12:08:12 PM
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FF is still selling millions, yes, but these sells keep decreasing and decreasing

barring the fact that more or less,since PS3 fucked up,every brand related to sony was bound to do less
do you have any kind of data to backup that?

now i know that vgchartz pull off crap so it isn't the best way to make these kind of argument but for the sake of it let's compare FF13 and FF12 on vgchartz

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/browse.php?name=final+fantasy+xii

so basicaly the PS3 version sold 4,29 and the 360 version 1,55 totaling 5,84 (this is without the 360 version getting released in japan which i guess would have booted up the number a little more)
Final Fantasy 12 instead totaled 5,71

but anyway why it matters if the final fantasy brand is strong or not?

let's assume that the final fantasy franchise stops existing,so now... what? instead of FF14 we have GENERIC MMORPG! instead of 4 heroes of light we have "CLASSIC RPG!"

for all we know the next final fantasy might as well be a western fps (it certainly would suit the new square-enix politics) and for me it wouldn't make a lick of difference if it was called final fantasy 15 and sold millions of copies or it was called THE LAST WAR and sold 2

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 11, 2010, 12:19:46 PM
Why does it matter? I'm a Final Fantasy fan who just wants a great game.

Nothing really "matters" in regards to Final Fantasy. They're fucking video games.

That doesn't mean we can't discuss it though.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: magus on October 11, 2010, 12:28:59 PM
Why does it matter? I'm a Final Fantasy fan who just wants a great game.

oh so they should have renamed TWEWY into FINAL FANTASY:SHIBUYA i understand...

besides exactly how does this relate to brand strenght? there are quite a lot of popular series that sucks and unpopular series that are awesome so....

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TripleA on October 11, 2010, 05:59:09 PM
When was the last time a Final Fantasy game was interesting, compelling, well-written and fun to play? Like 15 years ago. Final Fantasy 6 was the end of it.

I'll never get the FF7 fanboys- What the fuck is that game even about?

FF7 was essentially the first 'epic' console game.

Wrong. FF6 was the first epic console game. When playing this game I had no idea that the production value would be this good for a snes game.

Wrong. FF6 was simply a great game.

You're out of your fucking mind if you actually believe FF6 was a more 'epic' console game than FF7. Everything about FF7 was 'epic'.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 11, 2010, 06:36:43 PM
Did you ever play FFVII or did you just watch SCEA's CG filled ads on Youtube?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2010, 06:47:25 PM
Everyone's getting hung up on the word "epic", I think.

FF7 was one of the first heavily cinematic games that a lot of people played. Loads of prerendered backgrounds of massive locales, lots of CG cutscenes, massive 3D bosses, and all that. For those who came over directly from the SNES and Genesis, there really wasn't anything quite like it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 11, 2010, 06:50:51 PM
FF7 was not the first epic game, or the first cinematic game, but it was the first cinematic epic game that was advertised towards a mass audience.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Positive Touch on October 11, 2010, 08:56:04 PM
once again the internet proves that there is absolutely nothing worse than a final fantasy discussion

good job
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Post by: Purple Filth on October 11, 2010, 09:13:22 PM
time to add some fuel?

IGN - 5.5 (out of 10)

http://pc.ign.com/articles/112/1123824p3.html

Gamespy 2 out of 5

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/square-enix-next-gen-mmorpg/1127142p1.html
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Sho Nuff on October 11, 2010, 09:28:48 PM
Ouch
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: demi on October 11, 2010, 09:46:31 PM
Is this out in Japan? Is it getting the same backlash?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Akala on October 11, 2010, 09:59:30 PM
apparently. I'm still tooling around (and will probably still play for a bit), but would agree with many points of the various reviews. It's really a 5/10 game at the moment. YMMV.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TripleA on October 12, 2010, 02:34:38 AM
Did you ever play FFVII or did you just watch SCEA's CG filled ads on Youtube?

I did, even though I personally think OoT is a zillion times 'epic-errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr'.

Quote from:  Great Rumbler
Everyone's getting hung up on the word "epic", I think.

FF7 was one of the first heavily cinematic games that a lot of people played. Loads of prerendered backgrounds of massive locales, lots of CG cutscenes, massive 3D bosses, and all that. For those who came over directly from the SNES and Genesis, there really wasn't anything quite like it.

Good point.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Raban on October 12, 2010, 02:58:57 AM
Did you ever play FFVII or did you just watch SCEA's CG filled ads on Youtube?

I did, even though I personally think OoT is a zillion times 'epic-errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr'.


...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 12, 2010, 03:28:42 AM
That GAF thread is getting pathetic. One guy accused people who don't like FFXIV of being racist.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: GilloD on October 12, 2010, 04:07:01 AM
When was the last time a Final Fantasy game was interesting, compelling, well-written and fun to play? Like 15 years ago. Final Fantasy 6 was the end of it.

I'll never get the FF7 fanboys- What the fuck is that game even about?

FF7 was essentially the first 'epic' console game.

Wrong. FF6 was the first epic console game. When playing this game I had no idea that the production value would be this good for a snes game.

Wrong. FF6 was simply a great game.

You're out of your fucking mind if you actually believe FF6 was a more 'epic' console game than FF7. Everything about FF7 was 'epic'.



At the risk of getting into a NERD WAR, FF6 is way more 'epic', traditionally, than FF7.

FF7 has OMGZOR CGI sequences and a HERO WITH SPIKY HAIR AND A HUGE SWORD and TITS MCGEE THE SEXY LADY and BLACK MAN and A TALKING RENAGADE WOLF and lots of Michael Bay-ish "exciting" shit, "epic" in the parlance of Hollywood.

But FF6 is the classic epic. The story of redemption and heart break, of giving in to our wrong instincts etc etc. It's also longer and features a more drastic story.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: magus on October 12, 2010, 05:03:38 AM
can we all agree that FF8 sucks? :smug
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Positive Touch on October 12, 2010, 07:58:08 AM
no go to hell
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: magus on October 12, 2010, 09:42:15 AM
:(
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 12, 2010, 11:17:21 AM
can we all agree that FF8 sucks? :smug


sure, but only if we make it FF9
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Mupepe on October 12, 2010, 11:37:17 AM
FF8 is the best FF!

I'll buy this in a year after they've had a chance to patch it, I guess.  No AH, mail system and the terrible social implementation doesn't do it for me.  Those aspects will be fixed in a year.  I like grinding so I don't care about interesting quests.  FF XI was also terrible at launch and it got better so hopefully this can do the same.  Fucking SE is fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.  They should have released FF XI Numero Dos.  Just upgrade the graphics and throw in new quests.  FF fanboys loved XI for the most part.  Fuck.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 12, 2010, 11:50:13 AM
FFXI was never this bad.
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Post by: Himu on October 12, 2010, 11:58:50 AM
ff8 :smug
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: magus on October 12, 2010, 12:46:26 PM
can we all agree that FF8 sucks? :smug


sure, but only if we make it FF9

but i like 9 :-\

can we settle for a final fantasy i don't like? say.... 10-2?



Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2010, 12:55:37 PM
FF10-2 owns
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Positive Touch on October 12, 2010, 12:57:08 PM
FF10-2 owns

fuckin truth

just say ff2 and we can all (except bebpo wtf) agree
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: demi on October 12, 2010, 12:58:41 PM
All the people who diminish the Final Fantasy series want the worst games to come back COINCIDENCE

or... irony
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: magus on October 12, 2010, 01:25:05 PM
FF10-2 owns

fuckin truth

just say ff2 and we can all (except bebpo wtf) agree

nah that would be too easy
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2010, 02:46:33 PM
FF10-2 owns

fuckin truth

just say ff2 and we can all (except bebpo wtf) agree

ff13
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: magus on October 12, 2010, 02:57:49 PM
haven't played it
besides himuro like every final fantasy i don't like which must means that FF13 is a masterpiece :smug
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 12, 2010, 03:01:41 PM
FF10-2 owns

fuckin truth

just say ff2 and we can all (except bebpo wtf) agree

ff13

ban him, demi
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2010, 03:04:11 PM
haven't played it
besides himuro like every final fantasy i don't like which must means that FF13 is a masterpiece :smug


Not really. I like every FF, even FF13 to some degree. I like 9 a lot. 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 and 12 are the best ones. If you want to include spin offs, include Tactics and 10-2.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 12, 2010, 03:29:51 PM
Square's MMO world building secret:

CTRL+C, CTRL+V
(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6133/ff40zones.jpg)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: demi on October 12, 2010, 03:30:51 PM
Looks like FF12's layout. Horrible game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Raban on October 12, 2010, 03:51:41 PM
What am I looking at here?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2010, 03:53:37 PM
different areas have the same terrain, like, literally.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Raban on October 12, 2010, 03:54:28 PM
Those are all different areas? :lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TripleA on October 12, 2010, 05:08:07 PM
When was the last time a Final Fantasy game was interesting, compelling, well-written and fun to play? Like 15 years ago. Final Fantasy 6 was the end of it.

I'll never get the FF7 fanboys- What the fuck is that game even about?

FF7 was essentially the first 'epic' console game.

Wrong. FF6 was the first epic console game. When playing this game I had no idea that the production value would be this good for a snes game.

Wrong. FF6 was simply a great game.

You're out of your fucking mind if you actually believe FF6 was a more 'epic' console game than FF7. Everything about FF7 was 'epic'.



At the risk of getting into a NERD WAR, FF6 is way more 'epic', traditionally, than FF7.

FF7 has OMGZOR CGI sequences and a HERO WITH SPIKY HAIR AND A HUGE SWORD and TITS MCGEE THE SEXY LADY and BLACK MAN and A TALKING RENAGADE WOLF and lots of Michael Bay-ish "exciting" shit, "epic" in the parlance of Hollywood.

But FF6 is the classic epic. The story of redemption and heart break, of giving in to our wrong instincts etc etc. It's also longer and features a more drastic story.

Now put everything about FF6 next to FF7, throw away the 'classic' take of the word 'epic', and use the modern take of the word 'epic'. The conclusion is obvious.

Furthermore, if your argument against FF7 is "FUCKING SHIT HAD BAD CHARACTER DESIGN!!!!!!!", then frankly, you are completely clueless.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2010, 06:04:40 PM
awwwwwwww stfu
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: magus on October 12, 2010, 06:17:04 PM
ok ok i think i got it

can we all agree that triplea sucks?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: TripleA on October 12, 2010, 06:37:15 PM
Agreed.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: SantaC on October 12, 2010, 07:36:43 PM
I wonder what happened to SE. First they whine about the difficulty of building HD towns, then they go ahead and using lazy ass copy paste jobs in a game they should spend a lot of resources on. Hell, even an indie studio with no money will surpass them soon. And here I thought Japanese people were workhorses and critical to details.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Diunx on October 12, 2010, 09:53:48 PM
Looks like FF12's layout. Horrible game.

Best game in the series since 6, I finished it twice :smug
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Oblivion on October 14, 2010, 11:07:12 PM
Okay, since SOMEBODY was being a nazi about me not bothering to check the first page to see if the same topic was posted, I'll ask again...


What the hell happened? I'm not really a FF fan, but FFXIV has a 40%-50% average. Seriously, did Squeenix outsorce this to Sonic Team or something?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: demi on October 14, 2010, 11:09:09 PM
Google it and find out, Ob-lame-ion
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 14, 2010, 11:11:58 PM
When was the last time a Final Fantasy game was interesting, compelling, well-written and fun to play? Like 15 years ago. Final Fantasy 6 was the end of it.

I'll never get the FF7 fanboys- What the fuck is that game even about?

FF7 was essentially the first 'epic' console game.

Wrong. FF6 was the first epic console game. When playing this game I had no idea that the production value would be this good for a snes game.

Wrong. FF6 was simply a great game.

You're out of your fucking mind if you actually believe FF6 was a more 'epic' console game than FF7. Everything about FF7 was 'epic'.



At the risk of getting into a NERD WAR, FF6 is way more 'epic', traditionally, than FF7.

FF7 has OMGZOR CGI sequences and a HERO WITH SPIKY HAIR AND A HUGE SWORD and TITS MCGEE THE SEXY LADY and BLACK MAN and A TALKING RENAGADE WOLF and lots of Michael Bay-ish "exciting" shit, "epic" in the parlance of Hollywood.

But FF6 is the classic epic. The story of redemption and heart break, of giving in to our wrong instincts etc etc. It's also longer and features a more drastic story.

Now put everything about FF6 next to FF7, throw away the 'classic' take of the word 'epic', and use the modern take of the word 'epic'. The conclusion is obvious.

(http://imgur.com/QHwM7.gif)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: pilonv1 on October 14, 2010, 11:13:56 PM
For Oblivion Read this

http://brokentoys.org/2010/09/24/final-fantasy-xiv-triumph-of-the-horsebirds/
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Oblivion on October 14, 2010, 11:19:04 PM
For Oblivion Read this

http://brokentoys.org/2010/09/24/final-fantasy-xiv-triumph-of-the-horsebirds/

Holy shit. :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Raban on October 14, 2010, 11:27:34 PM
For Oblivion Read this

http://brokentoys.org/2010/09/24/final-fantasy-xiv-triumph-of-the-horsebirds/

:lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: magus on October 15, 2010, 06:15:54 AM
When was the last time a Final Fantasy game was interesting, compelling, well-written and fun to play? Like 15 years ago. Final Fantasy 6 was the end of it.

I'll never get the FF7 fanboys- What the fuck is that game even about?

FF7 was essentially the first 'epic' console game.

Wrong. FF6 was the first epic console game. When playing this game I had no idea that the production value would be this good for a snes game.

Wrong. FF6 was simply a great game.

You're out of your fucking mind if you actually believe FF6 was a more 'epic' console game than FF7. Everything about FF7 was 'epic'.



At the risk of getting into a NERD WAR, FF6 is way more 'epic', traditionally, than FF7.

FF7 has OMGZOR CGI sequences and a HERO WITH SPIKY HAIR AND A HUGE SWORD and TITS MCGEE THE SEXY LADY and BLACK MAN and A TALKING RENAGADE WOLF and lots of Michael Bay-ish "exciting" shit, "epic" in the parlance of Hollywood.

But FF6 is the classic epic. The story of redemption and heart break, of giving in to our wrong instincts etc etc. It's also longer and features a more drastic story.

Now put everything about FF6 next to FF7, throw away the 'classic' take of the word 'epic', and use the modern take of the word 'epic'. The conclusion is obvious.

(http://imgur.com/QHwM7.gif)

that's the gif i was talking about a few post ago :smug
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Purple Filth on October 15, 2010, 06:41:28 AM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=409467&page=46

wow  :lol

Good thing i dont give a shit about MMO's
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 15, 2010, 10:10:48 AM
Square extends the 30 day trial :rofl

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/news/detail?newsId=ce357898b8968d9c0b3327ff9a706ba97b218fec
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 15, 2010, 10:21:11 AM
Square extends the 30 day trial :rofl

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/news/detail?newsId=ce357898b8968d9c0b3327ff9a706ba97b218fec

Yeah, that's rarely a good sign.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Akala on October 15, 2010, 10:52:25 AM
That's actually good on them. Major fixes incoming. :hyper
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 27, 2010, 09:28:51 AM
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/GreatRumbler/f564621c.png)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on October 27, 2010, 09:33:08 AM
Game is dead before the first month is up. :rofl
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 27, 2010, 09:40:11 AM
Yeah, let this sink in: they're still not even half way through their FREE TRIAL.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Mupepe on October 27, 2010, 11:02:36 AM
I started FF XI again instead of buying this :lol

There's still a surprising amount of people on XI and goddamn!  so many fucking expansions.

:bow FF XI :bow2
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on November 08, 2010, 10:05:52 AM
:rofl

Not that anyone would curse a friend by trying this piece of shit, but if you give them a buddy key they need to buy the game to install it. There's no client download available from Square. People with a buddy key must have the retail disc to install the game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Raban on November 08, 2010, 01:41:25 PM
:rofl

Not that anyone would curse a friend by trying this piece of shit, but if you give them a buddy key they need to buy the game to install it. There's no client download available from Square. People with a buddy key must have the retail disc to install the game.

Jesus fucking christ, how much more smh-worthy can this game possibly get?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Raban on November 08, 2010, 01:51:26 PM
So hard to believe SE dropped the ball bigtime, they had years to prepare. What went wrong? When will we find out?

Never. I don't see why SE would have any reason to admit what they've done, since even now they're trying to save face.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Mupepe on November 08, 2010, 01:54:46 PM
i think they'll end up fixing it.  But I'm not going to jump ship until they pull the plug on ff xi.  i'm officially addicted to it again :)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2010, 02:17:44 PM
:rofl

Not that anyone would curse a friend by trying this piece of shit, but if you give them a buddy key they need to buy the game to install it. There's no client download available from Square. People with a buddy key must have the retail disc to install the game.

No fucking way bro, I can't believe that :rofl

seriously? holy shit
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on November 11, 2010, 04:58:26 PM
Oh, it gets better.

No one who buys the game new can play because it can't download the launch patch. SE uses a horrible BT client for the patches and as no one is seeding the launch day patch...new players are SOL.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Sho Nuff on November 11, 2010, 05:03:04 PM
Oh, it gets better.

No one who buys the game new can play because it can't download the launch patch. SE uses a horrible BT client for the patches and as no one is seeding the launch day patch...new players are SOL.

 :lol :lol :lol :lol

Is there a link to this!?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: SantaC on November 11, 2010, 06:01:58 PM
So hard to believe SE dropped the ball bigtime, they had years to prepare. What went wrong? When will we find out?

Things started to go wrong when Yasumi Matsuno left the FF series halfway through FFXII.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Raban on November 11, 2010, 06:09:18 PM
So hard to believe SE dropped the ball bigtime, they had years to prepare. What went wrong? When will we find out?

Things started to go wrong when Yasumi Matsuno left the FF series halfway through FFXII.

The only smart thing you've ever posted.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Akala on November 11, 2010, 08:04:38 PM
haven't played in a few weeks...better things to do.

still in trial period!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: pilonv1 on November 16, 2010, 12:33:44 AM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-11-15-square-enix-on-final-fantasy-xivs-future-interview?page=2

Quote
Eurogamer: Is the PS3 version still on course for release in March 2011?

Hiromichi Tanaka: Our priority is to bring satisfaction to Windows players, so we're working hard on that. But as soon as we feel that's done, we will focus on the PS3 version.

That being said, the Windows version is working on PS3 at the moment. We're focusing on optimisation and adjusting the balance as well as fixing all the bugs. We would like to bring it to PS3 players as soon as possible.

So PS3 version is delayed indefinitely then? :teehee

http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/11/15/interview-final-fantasy-xiv-developers-apologise-to-unhappy-players/

Quote
PC Gamer: I understand when it’s elements of a landscape, like a tree or rock. But these seem to be whole areas, to an extent that you don’t see in something like WoW.

Hiromichi Tanaka: One of the explanations for that is the size of the parts of the data that we use. Back in the days of FFXI and even WoW, the memory of each part was much less than what we have to use now. These days, because of the graphics, the same size of the parts costs more memory size. If the PC itself has that same size of the- has got larger in the same manner, then we can increase the map in the same way. But the same size of the data is now like ten times more memory size, so that’s really costing the game data size.

PC Gamer: If WoW could do it then, why isn’t it doable now?

Hiromichi Tanaka: One of the reasons why is because of the quality of the graphics – it’s different from WoW. What we’re trying to do in each part is costing more memory. Basically that’s the difference. WoW was designed a few years ago, before FFXI. FFXIV is designed with the latest graphical technology; that’s why it costs that much of memory data.

:lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 16, 2010, 12:35:29 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Sho Nuff on November 16, 2010, 02:43:37 AM
...Wow
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on November 16, 2010, 03:10:45 AM
They also basically admitted that the game was developed in a vacuum with FFXI being the sole MMO the leads played. I also like how he says WOW is older than FFXI.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: aerofx on November 16, 2010, 06:07:14 AM
:rofl

Not that anyone would curse a friend by trying this piece of shit, but if you give them a buddy key they need to buy the game to install it. There's no client download available from Square. People with a buddy key must have the retail disc to install the game.

not cool man, I really wanted to try this game out too.  not paying 50 bucks to do that.  :yuck
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 16, 2010, 08:14:46 AM
In order to make the game look better, we had to make it look worse. Please understand.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 16, 2010, 10:37:50 AM
In order to make the game look better, we had to make it look worse.

Maybe the entire design document was written in the form of Zen Koans.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on November 16, 2010, 03:31:34 PM
Free trial extended ANOTHER month:
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/news/detail?newsId=877ff5da6acbf05e3ff68e7926c000fe3ce2d982

:rofl
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Raban on November 16, 2010, 03:32:17 PM
Square should really just abort this already.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 16, 2010, 11:46:01 PM
Square's doing it wrong, they should shorten the free trial period so people have less time to find out how crappy it is before they have to re-up.

"Sorry, but your 2 hour trial is over, we're automatically charging your card for a minimum one-year subscription, kupo!" (http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/thedoctor945/Emotions/mooglehappy.png)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 17, 2010, 12:25:20 AM
So what about that Final Fantasy XIV?

[youtube=560,345]vNm-t9eWSvA[/youtube]
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Himu on November 17, 2010, 01:35:38 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Rman on November 17, 2010, 02:23:01 AM
How does Wada still have a job?  It's like they just took a huge crap on the FF series this year, first with XIII and now with XIV, which seems even worse.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: chronovore on November 17, 2010, 02:35:22 AM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-11-15-square-enix-on-final-fantasy-xivs-future-interview?page=2

Quote
Eurogamer: Is the PS3 version still on course for release in March 2011?

Hiromichi Tanaka: Our priority is to bring satisfaction to Windows players, so we're working hard on that. But as soon as we feel that's done, we will focus on the PS3 version. (wave)

That being said, the Windows version is working on PS3 at the moment. We're focusing on optimisation and adjusting the balance as well as fixing all the bugs. We would like to bring it to PS3 players as soon as possible.

So PS3 version is delayed indefinitely then? :teehee

http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/11/15/interview-final-fantasy-xiv-developers-apologise-to-unhappy-players/

Quote
PC Gamer: I understand when it’s elements of a landscape, like a tree or rock. But these seem to be whole areas, to an extent that you don’t see in something like WoW.

Hiromichi Tanaka: One of the explanations for that is the size of the parts of the data that we use. Back in the days of FFXI and even WoW, the memory of each part was much less than what we have to use now. These days, because of the graphics, the same size of the parts costs more memory size. If the PC itself has that same size of the- has got larger in the same manner, then we can increase the map in the same way. But the same size of the data is now like ten times more memory size, so that’s really costing the game data size. (wave)

PC Gamer: If WoW could do it then, why isn’t it doable now?

Hiromichi Tanaka: One of the reasons why is because of the quality of the graphics – it’s different from WoW. What we’re trying to do in each part is costing more memory. Basically that’s the difference. WoW was designed a few years ago, before FFXI. FFXIV is designed with the latest graphical technology; that’s why it costs that much of memory data. (wave)

:lol

Hiromichi Tanaka:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://imgur.com/x9cf2.jpg)
[close]
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Mupepe on November 17, 2010, 10:38:06 AM
Square's doing it wrong, they should shorten the free trial period so people have less time to find out how crappy it is before they have to re-up.

"Sorry, but your 2 hour trial is over, we're automatically charging your card for a minimum one-year subscription, kupo!" (http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn50/thedoctor945/Emotions/mooglehappy.png)
:lol :lol

FF XI has seen a rise apparently.  Nerds on messageboards add up the amount of players in all the FF XI servers and apparently it's gone up like 15% since people who originally ditched XI for XIV are now coming back.  And the FF XIV forums are getting censored when people discuss how bad it is. 
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: ManaByte on November 17, 2010, 12:36:48 PM
Apparently the biggest FFXIV defender on GAF, Londa, hasn't even played the retail version. She/He's basing his defense on the open beta.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 17, 2010, 02:10:22 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 17, 2010, 02:22:50 PM
I hate to cackle over it's downfall as I'd like to see MMOs be their own genre instead of just WOW and that scene in Gone With the Wind with hundreds of injured soldiers...but this shit is just too funny, I hope enjoying this doesn't make me a bad person.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 20, 2012, 01:42:00 PM
Old thread is old, but Final Fantasy XIV is $8 on Amazon right now and I'm tempted to try it out at that price. Apparently there have been a ton of patches over the past 18 months, but does anyone know if those patches made the game appreciably better than the abysmal state it launched in?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Sho Nuff on May 20, 2012, 01:47:37 PM
I'd imagine it's been patched so much that it's now 50% as good as everything else
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Momo on May 20, 2012, 01:59:35 PM
I've only heard good things about the game as of late. $8 sounds like a steal if you time it right to get a couple of days of 2.0
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 20, 2012, 02:05:54 PM
I'd imagine it's been patched so much that it's now 50% as good as everything else

Sounds like a winner to me!

I've only heard good things about the game as of late. $8 sounds like a steal if you time it right to get a couple of days of 2.0

2.0 isn't coming out anytime soon.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Momo on May 20, 2012, 02:08:16 PM
You could surely stash away your digital copy and download and activate your 30 day run close to 2.0 time?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Akala on May 26, 2012, 11:08:28 AM
Sure. That's what most people are probably doing. I checked it out for the welcome back, and it's very much improved, will prob sub up to get the legacy crap once diablo runs its course.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets*
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2012, 05:44:09 PM
I didn't buy it, but I'm sure it'll be on sale again a few times before 2.0 comes out.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Akala on June 14, 2013, 09:16:10 AM
NDA lifted!

Beta finally opens up a bit, but is still weekends only for now. Playing on Ultros, if anyone is in. Very awesome to see more than just Gridania.

Best Final Fantasy since XI, massive improvement over the original. If only we'd get worlds/style like this again in an offline FF. Will try and post some pics later, as I am pretty sure that's allowed now.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Momo on June 14, 2013, 09:37:55 AM
Im in the ps3 and pc beta, client patching ps3 side seems a but fucking distinguished mentally-challenged
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Akala on June 14, 2013, 09:42:43 AM
don't think I even applied for the PS3 side. already had client installed on PC, and it'll be far better anyway.

may get the rev for PS4 if I'm still playing at that point.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 14, 2013, 10:11:13 AM
I'm trying out the PS3 version this time around.  Servers are getting bombarded, can't log in at the moment.   Sounds like they've optimized the PC version's graphics/framerate a lot (beta 2 was pretty rough)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: demi on June 14, 2013, 10:31:36 AM
I got a PS3 code. Suppose I could give it a try.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 14, 2013, 10:50:12 AM
(http://i.minus.com/iCPxaDwiPm0Xh.gif)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 14, 2013, 11:05:05 AM
Furry uguu~, the worst kind of uguu~

on the other hand, Square-Enix saved.  This gif alone will attract several million subscribers. 
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Akala on June 14, 2013, 11:07:21 AM
that is why god created RP servers.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Momo on June 14, 2013, 02:32:34 PM
demi add me on psn some time if you want to grief some RPers together
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: thisismyusername on June 14, 2013, 10:43:17 PM
Im in the ps3 and pc beta, client patching ps3 side seems a but fucking distinguished mentally-challenged

It's not that bad when it goes through PSN's funky old patching. But then you hit the webpage to login to a Square-Enix account, then download from their servers which gives you "444 minutes left" and downloading at 0.26/MB a second which is what the christ.

Best Final Fantasy since XII, massive improvement over the original. If only we'd get worlds/style like this again in an offline FF. Will try and post some pics later, as I am pretty sure that's allowed now.

Fixed. Isn't XII just XI offline? I never played XI but if XIV is similar to XII I'm going to enjoy the short-time I'm able to play it for free.  :'(
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 14, 2013, 11:21:03 PM
just got to the first instanced fight

fun.  probably not subbing on any regular basis, but I could see myself hopping in every once in a while.  I just don't want to get to the point where I have to party up cause I don't wanna do that
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Akala on June 14, 2013, 11:23:06 PM
XI was much, much better than XII.   :D

XII in its initial stages seemed like the perfect game, but Matsuno had to go and crumble!

Played a good bit more, raised MRD to 11 and have been rolling through the Limsa region. Good times. The cutscenes/story segments are pretty interesting, and the entire game's presentation is fantastic. Surrounding area of the city has been totally overhauled, lots of cool stuff to see. Will post some pics, have to look and see where they are stored lol.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Akala on June 14, 2013, 11:26:40 PM
just got to the first instanced fight

fun.  probably not subbing on any regular basis, but I could see myself hopping in every once in a while.  I just don't want to get to the point where I have to party up cause I don't wanna do that

I don't have time for much organized (second job) group play. Game is very solo-friendly (content/leves/FATES), most of the dungeons tied to the story will be able to be done easily with the group finder...although you never know what you're gonna get with random pickups...should be good enough to clear on normal modes.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 14, 2013, 11:28:33 PM
Cool, that'll keep me coming back.  Do they let you keep characters?   I'm wondering if I should put much more time into this.  I don't want to go through the early shit again.

FATEs are awesome, though a total clusterfuck.  :lol 
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Akala on June 14, 2013, 11:40:20 PM
there's a wipe at the end of this phase...next phase is fully open, and unless anything game-breaking pops up, progress will carry over to retail. don't invest too too much time into this phase unless you want to repeat!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 14, 2013, 11:42:36 PM
ah, thanks for the heads up.  I'm done then!


PS3 version has a steady frame rate, but it's less than 30fps, it seems.  Lots of little loading/pop-in annoyances, including long loading times between zones.  Hopefully they fix all that up a little.   I'll probably go with it over the PC, actually.  Very easy to just sink into the couch and play
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: demi on June 15, 2013, 12:05:43 AM
So it's not worth even trying and just wait until the next phase?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 15, 2013, 12:11:55 AM
So it's not worth even trying and just wait until the next phase?

if you want to keep your character, yeah.  The technical issues aren't bad at all, totally plays fine, just a little ugly.


why does everyone use female names in this game
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Sho Nuff on June 15, 2013, 04:50:12 AM
Are there Tarutaru

Do they talky-walky like thissy-wissy

God fucking damn I hate Tarutaru
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Himu on June 15, 2013, 05:00:00 AM
So why is this suddenly good all of a sudden?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 15, 2013, 08:06:02 AM
Are there Tarutaru

Do they talky-walky like thissy-wissy

God fucking damn I hate Tarutaru


There are these little dwarf things that I was t-bagging
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Lucretius on June 28, 2013, 08:54:03 PM
I just got in the PS3 beta.  Downloading the client now.  Gonna be a couple hours, it seems.  I'm gonna go grab dinner.  I suppose I need a mouse/keyboard and headset for this?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Trent Dole on June 29, 2013, 12:39:26 AM
So why is this suddenly good all of a sudden?
I imagine it's not but people will foolishly pay attention again cause it's called Final Fantasy.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Sho Nuff on June 29, 2013, 03:05:06 AM
Really curious how this thing runs on the PS3

But not curious enough to install it myself
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: thisismyusername on June 29, 2013, 10:19:11 AM
Really curious how this thing runs on the PS3

But not curious enough to install it myself

Runs decent enough for a beta of an MMO. But it's sub-HD. Like REALLY sub-HD. PS4 and PC would be the way to go if you care about that. But I could see some subscribers on the PS3 versions lasting a while like they did on PS2 for XI.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Akala on June 29, 2013, 11:26:31 PM
hear it runs like shit on PS3...hopefully it's not an eventual bottleneck like the PS2 rev of FFXI was to the PC. They are doing an DX11/PS4 update probably by the end of the year, so here's hoping. maybe they can consolidate a few of the city zones.

played a good bit this weekend, but not going too crazy since they are going to wipe. had enough money on the legacy character to give myself a decent leg up on crafting after launch. will be fun!


game sorely needs an inventory sorting system, and to implement the dungeon finder. still, what I've explored of the world has been great. it is a bit too by-the-lines basic MMO, but does a lot of things really really well. for FF fans, I's think it would be worth the purchase just to run through the story. guaranteed to be the best FF since forever. for those wondering what has changed so much since the 1.0, and why it's "good all of a sudden"...it is pretty much a brand new game. try to check out the open beta next month and try it yourself.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Akala on June 29, 2013, 11:29:04 PM
So why is this suddenly good all of a sudden?

because they have devoted all their resources towards it for over a year and it will probably cripple the company!

Are there Tarutaru

God fucking damn I hate Tarutaru

They renamed and redesigned all of the races. Tarus are now LALAFELLS. They are just as bad, if not worse because they aren't as cute...just kind of odd, and all the NPC ones have way too much facial hair.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 30, 2013, 12:03:27 AM
Got my PC beta code finally, I'll install it and give it a whirl.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Freyj on June 30, 2013, 12:04:24 AM
Game is decidedly better than it was when I played 1.0 Beta and decidedly mediocre all the same. Every class feels exactly the same. Skills are 90% useless buffs with the rest being a 2 button rotation with a DOT. Boring as all fuck after spending an hour or two with any class. Quests are boring. FATEs are less interesting than GW2's whateverthefucktheyrecalled and are 70% waves of generic mobs and 30% tank and spank boss types.

I guess the environments are sort of pretty, whatever.

Poor Man's GW2 is probably the best I could describe it, and I don't even like GW2. I'd go back to putting up with XI's bullshit any day of the week over ARR.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Akala on August 16, 2013, 12:12:20 AM
man I suck at maintaining a thread. then again....crickets.

OMG hype! don't see too much work getting done tomorrow. goooo Sargatanas!

(http://i.imgur.com/uhEWZgo.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/NipnTkA.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/fJ0C4Be.jpg)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 18, 2013, 10:01:47 PM
Played the beta some this weekend since they sent me a key and I was otherwise fairly bored. It was okay, I guess, people who enjoy these guys of games shouldn't have a whole lot to complain about [unlike the previous iteration of this game]. Quality aside, I've still got to question why they thought it was a good idea to completely remake the entire game, given the incredible cost of doing so, are people just waiting to flock back to it?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: chronovore on August 19, 2013, 10:38:20 AM
I enjoy the idea that you think Square is going to do anything that makes sense.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: archnemesis on August 19, 2013, 10:51:23 AM
FF11 was one of their all-time biggest cash cows and I'm guessing they refused to let its successor fail. This remake will review better, but it's still not going to sell to subscribers.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Trent Dole on August 19, 2013, 12:28:24 PM
More like A Realm Reboring. :gun
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Rufus on August 19, 2013, 12:32:31 PM
A Realm Stillborn
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Akala on August 19, 2013, 10:37:44 PM
A Realm Stillborn

 :lol

actually had a blast on beta 4...didn't get any of the errors that went around ruining people's weekends. kinda going through withdrawal now!  :-\

more pics:
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(http://i44.tinypic.com/2zi5543.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2drdvsz.jpg)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2zokdxu.jpg)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2me2zw6.jpg)
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(http://i43.tinypic.com/2h5jjir.jpg)
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Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 19, 2013, 11:01:57 PM
ah, how i've missed being subjected to people's final fantasy online vacation slides

(http://i42.tinypic.com/1037h4k.jpg)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Akala on August 20, 2013, 07:19:47 AM
ah, how i've missed being subjected to people's final fantasy online vacation slides

don't expect it too long from me I think...the world is still new and I'm hype. :hyper
although they do allow for PS3 screenshots now, so expect to be flooded soon.

@ Joe LOL
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Akala on August 21, 2013, 10:23:05 PM
ZOMG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub3og-QK4Kg
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Freyj on August 25, 2013, 03:32:06 AM
Seeing as the game is effectively $20 on Amazon DD right now, I jumped in to play with a friend. I wasn't super impressed by the Beta, but I'm enjoying this more than I expected. We'll see if I can get past the "just resub to XI already" feelings.

Trying out ACN as it wasn't available during the Beta, and so far I'm liking it alright. One of my main complaints about the melee combat was that it was repetitive with a handful of skills and a metric fuckton of (boring) cooldowns. ACN seems to avoid this a little with some pet micromanagement and reactive skills.

The instanced capstone quests to the story arcs in each zone are actually pretty enjoyable and a nice way of mixing things up. Wraps up the current storyline with a little progression of the main story. Guildleves, FATEs, and Guildhests are a good way of breaking up the kill X / collect Y quests. Need to dig into the Crafting / Gathering jobs.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: etiolate on August 25, 2013, 06:41:40 PM
I am guessing the tales of terrible server problems are exaggerated?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Trent Dole on August 25, 2013, 07:04:05 PM
The north american servers had like 3 maints in 24 hours, lol. JP servers are running smoothly.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Freyj on August 25, 2013, 10:34:13 PM
I am guessing the tales of terrible server problems are exaggerated?

Not really. 2-3 hour maintenance every couple of hours. Instances are up and down, which prevent progressing the main / class questlines.

It's mostly manageable, but I've also gotten lucky with the maintenance starting just as I need to do other things or ending just as I login. I imagine it's pretty frustrating to someone who was online every waking hour this weekend.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 26, 2013, 11:13:50 AM
I have a FFXIV 1.0 account, but I'm still debating whether to reactivate it for a month or not.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 26, 2013, 03:45:54 PM
Id like to play this but uhm, does the 25 euro fee include 1 month?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Freyj on August 26, 2013, 09:57:56 PM
Id like to play this but uhm, does the 25 euro fee include 1 month?

Yes.

Amazon also had a $5 credit / $5 digital games credit thing going on as well.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Akala on August 27, 2013, 09:14:44 AM
Servers at this point are fine,  it's logging in in the first place that is the issue. Havent had a ton of time to play, but I was totally locked out of most of the early access... Was only really able to play last night.

Game is great assuming you can get in. Pretty substantial difficulty spike at level 30, pretty much easy mode till lvl 20.

Fun times, will prob play this for a while.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 27, 2013, 10:23:09 AM
Really great launch so far. Can't even register your PS3 code ye!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 28, 2013, 10:25:00 PM
So I visited a local Kmart and well I found the original 14 on PC for $10 and hey the code worked!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Akala on August 29, 2013, 12:50:43 AM
Best game ever.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 29, 2013, 03:26:33 AM
So they stopped digital sales? No point in picking this up then till the server issues are solved.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 29, 2013, 07:57:25 AM
I plugged in the code I got in July of last year and it worked! :lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 31, 2013, 10:09:13 AM
I just bought it  :-*
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 31, 2013, 12:29:17 PM
Reactivated my account, d/ling now.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: etiolate on August 31, 2013, 12:58:59 PM
I just bought it  :-*

smh
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 31, 2013, 01:09:30 PM
It just looks more appealing then GW2.

But ive run into a snag

Game doesn't recognize my Nvidia 555, even forcin it through Manage 3D settings doesn't work.

 This worked fine in the benchmark.
 
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 31, 2013, 01:09:59 PM
Also I cant login cause the world Is full
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: etiolate on August 31, 2013, 01:13:57 PM
congrats!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 31, 2013, 03:18:01 PM
It works now :rock

Great FF music from the get go
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 31, 2013, 03:30:09 PM
Joe which server are you on? Im on Ultros.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 31, 2013, 03:40:15 PM
None, because it says every single one of them is full. I'll try to get on Ultros when I can, though.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 31, 2013, 03:52:36 PM
I'm on Ultros as well.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 31, 2013, 04:09:54 PM
Well I got kicked now too, Ultros is the only NA/EU server that is accepting new players.

Whats your name Rax Ill add you :)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 31, 2013, 04:18:34 PM
Looks like all the NA/EU servers are currently down. :lol

I'm in the "Coeurl" server, by the way.

Edit: Now they're up again, but they're all totally full. How long before SE announces an extra free month for everyone?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: etiolate on August 31, 2013, 08:11:20 PM
you all bitch about mmos

and then play the janky mmo

i swear to gawd
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 31, 2013, 08:30:00 PM
I don't think anyone that bitches about mmo's is playing this now.

It really isn't yanky, I like it more already then then what I saw of GW2 in the beta.

Edit: I wonder if there is a big story as well, just like in FFXI, haven't seen anything so far.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 31, 2013, 08:44:59 PM
you all bitch about mmos

and then play the janky mmo

i swear to gawd

:umad
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 31, 2013, 09:30:42 PM
My character's name is Jojo Sonoshee.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: etiolate on August 31, 2013, 10:32:41 PM
you all bitch about mmos

and then play the janky mmo

i swear to gawd

:umad

Why would I be mad? I didn't pay for FF14.  :gurl
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 31, 2013, 10:41:50 PM
:lol

I paid $10 for it 13 months ago on a lark.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 31, 2013, 10:49:08 PM
Hey I'm not going to pretend it's anything great, but when I've been able to play has been fun.  Plus because of my geekyness I'm a little more interested in the story then I am in most mmos.

Plus artistically it's just a pleasure to look at and the PUG class has been pretty fun.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: etiolate on August 31, 2013, 11:53:27 PM
please tell me the PUG class is an actual PUG dog and you build up combo points to slobberpiss all over the place
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 01, 2013, 09:46:39 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/M6oFkEU.jpg)

So has anyone managed to log in yet? I like how there's not even a queue, just an error message telling to you feck off. How am I supposed to know when there's an opening available??
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 01, 2013, 10:22:31 PM
I've only been able to play in the early am over here.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 01, 2013, 10:24:40 PM
lol, dialog boxes
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 02, 2013, 02:38:50 AM
Getting in is part of the game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 02, 2013, 02:53:41 AM
I tried to log in and got an error, said that 193 were queued in front of me. I immediately tried to log in again and it worked that time. :lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: archnemesis on September 02, 2013, 03:14:14 AM
Can I still get a free month if I have a shrinkwrapped boxed version of 1.0?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 02, 2013, 03:19:45 AM
It should work just fine.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: archnemesis on September 02, 2013, 03:25:08 AM
Then I'll give it a try tonight.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 02, 2013, 01:16:36 PM
Can I still get a free month if I have a shrinkwrapped boxed version of 1.0?
Yes, I've received it myself.

You should be able to enter the code on the Mogstation website.

https://secure.square-enix.com/account/app/svc/Login?cont=account&request=mogstation
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: archnemesis on September 02, 2013, 01:18:50 PM
For some reason I'm almost out of space on my 256 GB SSD and I'm in middle of three other games. Maybe I should finish some old stuff first. How much HDD space is required for this thing?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 02, 2013, 01:20:55 PM
About 9 GB.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: archnemesis on September 02, 2013, 01:27:31 PM
I guess I don't need to have 50 games installed at once.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: archnemesis on September 02, 2013, 01:58:04 PM
Well, this is stupid. First I have to install a version from July 2010 before I can download the current version.

Edit: Nope. The update only told me that the version is no longer playable. "Please uninstall."

Edit 2: They need to update their help pages or just add a big Download Client button.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 02, 2013, 02:01:51 PM
Well, this is stupid. First I have to install a version from July 2010 before I can download the current version.

Edit: Nope. The update only told me that the version is no longer playable. "Please uninstall."

Edit 2: They need to update their help pages or just add a big Download Client button.

They don't want anyone else to be able to download it right now because the servers are so full.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: archnemesis on September 02, 2013, 02:08:54 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/pppssxS.jpg)

Bah, I'll go shoot some aliens instead.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 03, 2013, 09:25:45 AM
Got online for the first time. 5:00am CST is clearly the sweet spot!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 03, 2013, 09:27:41 AM
I think they are adding servers today.

Add me to your buddy list man.

Look for surname Lager.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: DCharlieJP on September 03, 2013, 10:20:28 AM
I wish i could play this - servers are rammed. Locked at lvl 12
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: archnemesis on September 03, 2013, 11:27:51 AM
At least we're getting a free week for this mess.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 03, 2013, 12:56:43 PM
I think they are adding servers today.

Yeah, late today through tomorrow morning they're adding new servers.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 04, 2013, 05:20:18 PM
Im kind of bored of the game already, just got to level 13.

The story quests are nice, graphics are nice, music is good, but most of the quests are just boring. Aside from the story quests and ff setting there isnt much to set this aside from the million other mmos.

I do appreciate the decent control scheme for my pad.

Almost makes me want to stand in the dunes and grind like in ffxi.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Sho Nuff on September 04, 2013, 09:09:08 PM
JAPAN IS GOOD AT THE INTERNET
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 05, 2013, 02:13:43 AM
Dont worry it will be pretty dead in two months
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Damian79 on September 05, 2013, 02:39:35 AM
Im kind of bored of the game already, just got to level 13.

The story quests are nice, graphics are nice, music is good, but most of the quests are just boring. Aside from the story quests and ff setting there isnt much to set this aside from the million other mmos.

I do appreciate the decent control scheme for my pad.

Almost makes me want to stand in the dunes and grind like in ffxi.

Yeah the questing has put me off.   It feels worse than WoW questing in the sense that there is 0 variety so far.  It is just either find someone, kill this, take something or kill this and take something.  I'm lvl 12 btw.  I cant wait for EQN to kick these mmo's asses.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 05, 2013, 03:00:32 AM
Exactly, its completely one dimensional.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 05, 2013, 06:17:26 AM
Ive been meaning to ask you this for a while now, why don't they play other MMO's?

Japan seems like a country where people would love that kind of immersion.

I know FFXI was super popular, and I'm pretty sure this will have some peeps playing for ages as well.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: archnemesis on September 05, 2013, 06:29:22 AM
I imagine that most popular western MMOs aren't translated into Japanese.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 05, 2013, 06:58:14 AM
Fate grinding is the way to level, its crazy.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: chronovore on September 06, 2013, 10:13:47 AM
Yeah, this generation has shown me that many Japanese can't differentiate between pride in local ability and xenophobia. In every generation previous, who could blame Japan for not looking outside? The best stuff was local. But this generation has definitely produced enough evidence of a shift in production competence AND enough time to make that realization.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: etiolate on September 06, 2013, 12:51:46 PM
So SE doesn't have to pay attention to the MMO market because their homebase doesn't? Oh, Japan!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 06, 2013, 02:52:08 PM
So SE doesn't have to pay attention to the MMO market because their homebase doesn't?

And it worked so well for Final Fantasy 14 version 1.0!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 06, 2013, 08:44:05 PM
I mean it's pretty bad that the 14 team had to actually play WoW after 1.0 failed in order to get a grasp of modern MMOs. While Japan is obviously the primary market, a FF MMO(well game in general) is a worldwide product. The teams at Square really should be paying attention to western game developers. Of course I guess that would upset the poor animu tards here.

Regardless with 14 and even Lightning Returns, I honestly think we are seeing a turn around. These games won't be trendsetters like previous FF offerings, but they may be good modern games.

And that's what 14 is. I'm Level 26 now and I've been playing a few hours ever day since last week. I'm finding it to be a solid and well made mmo, but that's it. Truth be told, there's nothing quite standout about it except maybe the job system. But things are executed pretty well and it honestly feels like a real FF game and an oldschool FF at that in regards to it's story. The quests or rather bland for the most part, but there's always something going on in the game and never have I felt like I don't have much to do. The Fates are frequent, leveling quests are pretty abundant, and you can always switch jobs. The game keeps you busy and most of the content is good enough.

What I'm liking about it is that it honestly feels like a FF game. The story is nothing great, but it's got cool moments and some the cutscenes have been entertaining. Boos battles and dungeons have been fun, very fun actually. The game world is beautiful and quite interesting and well the game just looks very appealing art wise.

So I think they turned it around and made a pretty good modern FF MMO. But so far that's all they have done.

I'll probably continue playing it though.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: etiolate on September 06, 2013, 09:25:13 PM
The issue is that it's already outdated, so I don't know if I would qualify it as modern. It's just modern enough for FF fans perhaps, but after Tera, GW2 and then when EQN launches.. it's going to be outdated gameplay wise.

I do love their monster designs in-game though. I hear some of the bosses are fun as well. I just think that the audience outside of Japan is going to die off after a couple of months. Every MMO launch is boosted by MMO vagabonds and 'content locusts'. The only thing holding them at bay right now is the server issues. SquareEnix was helped out a lot by TESO and Wildstar's delay. That may get them some extra sub money in the meantime.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 06, 2013, 09:59:49 PM
I don't think anyone on the bore is an anime tard, I meant in general. I've been reading more anime specific forums recently and there's a lot of "west is bad" nonsense.

While I haven't played Terra, I've played enough GW2 and it's kind of hard not to notice GW2's MMO tedium fixing. GW2's a more forward thinking game probably. it's events are better, it does instanced story stuff better(kind of hard to not break imersion when 50 other people pop up in this secret room after the cutscene), it does the "Don't worry about that person attacking your same target" thing better. 14 is probably just barely crossing the line of being modern. I'm sure once hype dies down people will be on their way. But people do seem to be enjoying it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: etiolate on September 06, 2013, 11:09:50 PM
Well, to be clear, Tera isn't that forward thinking. It is just an advancement in combat. It has action combat and more precise hit-detection and swings than other MMOs. It's also running on UnReal Engine. Quest design is actually a lot more far along in WoW than either Tera or FF14.

And then there's event-based quest design of GW2 , which is more advanced than the traditional method, and EQN will have that as well. SE's problem is if they go out and look at these advancements, they'll be stepping into a system even more complex than what they're just catching up to now. You're looking at fail/succeed states, different branches, quests that move across the map, environment change, and event overlap. They kind of wasted a long period of time where there was little progress in MMO design with their original FF14 design. If they had started at the point they are at now, maybe they could catch up. Now things are changing so it's going to become a larger leap.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: G The Resurrected on September 09, 2013, 01:22:02 AM
I don't know but I'm thinking of diving into this. Someone talk me out of it!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 09, 2013, 06:31:34 AM
I don't know but I'm thinking of diving into this. Someone talk me out of it!

I deleted this from my comp already.

Even with the revamp the game feels way behind times and is just plain boring outside of the story quests.

And why is there still zoning and load screens every few metres??
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 16, 2013, 07:53:45 PM
So I guess I'm the only one actually playing it still.

The game is awesome. I've been enjoying most of the story mode, but the it's the dungeons and bosses that have been extremely fun. It really feels like a main FF games at times.

The battle against Titan was pretty amazing. The battles really do we require footwork, at least on my Monk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmYFttdp-cY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJ24DZ8EASg

I'm really enjoying this game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Akala on September 16, 2013, 08:58:47 PM
I'm still on pretty much daily and loving it. Just playing rather than posting. Had an almost capped old from 1.0, but am bringing a WHM up through the story. That and crafting. Lots of crafting.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: G The Resurrected on September 16, 2013, 10:43:54 PM
So I guess I'm the only one actually playing it still.

The game is awesome. I've been enjoying most of the story mode, but the it's the dungeons and bosses that have been extremely fun. It really feels like a main FF games at times.

I'm really enjoying this game.

I'm only level 13 but I'm really digging this game. It's basically a more friendly version of FFXI and I can really get into that. I'm on Ultros if you're on that server hit me up, my characters named  Gareth Nolan.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Freyj on September 17, 2013, 11:21:45 PM
Timers on mandatory storyline dungeons is the stupidest god damn shit this game has to offer. Just had a final boss at 20% when the timer went out and it immediately removed all of us from the group / dungeon with the message "Duty Failed".

What's that? Not the best tank/healer in the world? Have to wait to get another person from finder? Fuck you try again.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 02, 2013, 03:49:46 PM
I can get the PS3 version for $20 right now. Seeing how it comes with a 30 day trial, could I get through the main storyline in that amount of time? I've got two weeks off for Christmas at the end of the month, and my wife is out of town on business this week and next, so I've got freetime.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: demi on December 02, 2013, 03:50:56 PM
Dont do it, go play something else
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 02, 2013, 03:51:55 PM
Dont do it, go play something else

That's what I keep telling myself, but all those old-school FF tropes look interesting.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.0!)
Post by: Akala on December 19, 2013, 11:12:10 PM
missed some activity in this thread I guess. sorry gundam, I would have said yes! totally meant to revive thread when it was on sale for $10 bux on PS+. can't wait till feb to play on PS4.

still playing as I have time, although nowhere near hardcore. just hit my first 50 the other day lol. on a crafting class. shameful. a big new patch just dropped that adds a whole lot of fun stuff to do, but they will need to bring out the next big one soon or I think people will start dropping out heavily. there are a ton of random and fun things that were added (treasure hunts, daily roulette/random dungeons, etc), game is still really good.

in closing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCUvx2BExZI
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.1!)
Post by: Positive Touch on December 20, 2013, 03:40:35 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.1!)
Post by: Bebpo on December 20, 2013, 03:43:35 AM
Wtf, you can play as little naked cherubs??
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.1!)
Post by: Akala on December 20, 2013, 10:51:45 AM
After the patch there was a glitch where you could lock an emote animation mid-sequence. Hilarity ensued till it was hotfixed.