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Title: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2010, 08:09:33 PM
Went to get dinner because I'm going to be working later than I thought. DR2 nooo  :'(  Saw some guy with a Ron Paul book, mentioned it to him and we had a talk for like an hour.

It was this for one hour over coffee and steak:

"schools should be free market"
"then who would fund the schools?"
"charities."
"you can't be this naive."
"fact of the matter is that public schools in america are failing, wouldn't you agree?"
"Yes, very much so."
"what about the poor? what about the disenfranchised schools in the ghetto?"
"Poor people? Why do the poor matter?"
"..."
"They have churches."

then he went on about privacy (drug use, consuming, digesting). He said that the gov had no right to interfere with people and what they do privately in their homes so long as what they do does not harm others and this includes digesting anything they want, without regulation, even if they kill themselves. So I asked him what he thought about government regulation of company products that contain excess amounts of sugar and sodium. His answer? Let the consumers decide what the best and most healthy product. THE SAME CONSUMERS WHO MADE AVATAR THE BEST SELLING MOVIE?!?!?!

We hit a lot of issues and some of them I agree with, but almost every point he made was followed up with sugar laced naivete. Like his stance on foreign policy. Sure, I agree we should take our guys out of fucking South America or whatever. But then he told me he thinks we should get rid of our OWN military bases. Like here. At home.

Really?

I'm sorry if this thread seemed unnecessary, I've just never openly discussed anything with a libertarian in this manner and I was baffled. It's pure utopian "politics" at its best that seems appeal to one group and one group only: privileged white people.
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2010, 08:13:38 PM
Fortunately no.
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 28, 2010, 08:22:06 PM
Child labor laws are silly and outdated. In the good old days, kids as young as five could work as they pleased; from textile factories to iron smelts. But today, the age old right of children to work is under attack!
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 28, 2010, 08:31:54 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/210904?RS_show_page=0
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 28, 2010, 08:37:05 PM
Quote
"Well," he says, "there's a lot of people on welfare who don't deserve it. Too many people are living off the government."

"But," I protest, "you live off the government. And have been your whole life!"

"Yeah," he says, "but I don't make very much."

[youtube=560,345]AArX50Kulns[/youtube]
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 28, 2010, 10:40:42 PM
Libertarians fancy themselves as "rebels". They also like to think of themselves as intellectuals when essentially they follow a simplistic dogmatic non realistic blueprint for life. Which is why they are generally worse to talk to than people who actually self identify as Republicans or Democrats. Because at least potentially there is some give and take in such a conversation. That is almost impossible with true libertarians. Fortunately there are very few of them irl.
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Fresh Prince on September 28, 2010, 11:27:04 PM
They are such a small minority like communists. Not worth being bothered about. Religious people otoh are everywhere.
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 28, 2010, 11:27:48 PM
This board's fascination with libertarians amuses me.  However, I used to work at the Cato Institute, so I suppose I'm like a gynecologist who's bored of pussy. 

For what its worth I think libertarians are a matter of discussion because their numbers on message boards far outstrip their numbers in real life. So there is always a slight disconnect there.  


Sames as atheists, or lots of other groups that seem a lot more populous on the internet.
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Fresh Prince on September 28, 2010, 11:37:51 PM
On the places you visit on the internet.
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 28, 2010, 11:39:55 PM
It's a nice place to visit, but you don't want to live there.
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Fresh Prince on September 28, 2010, 11:43:17 PM
kentuckybore atleast know how to party.
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Mandark on September 28, 2010, 11:44:21 PM
"After the revolution, we will all eat strawberries!"

"But I don't like strawberries."

"After the revolution, you will love strawberries!"
Title: Boogie does it too, but if I complained he'd snap my neck
Post by: Mandark on September 28, 2010, 11:50:20 PM
You know how JD will do those posts where he breaks someone's quote up into a billion pieces and responds to each line individually?

Yeah, I think they're awesome too.
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 28, 2010, 11:56:48 PM
"if people don't want to be literate or healthy, then good for them! they are exercising their freedom and it doesn't affect me or anyone else! we are all islands!"
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 29, 2010, 12:03:25 AM
"a rising tide may lift all boats, but it also drowns those with their feet on the ground" :smug
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Mandark on September 29, 2010, 12:24:37 AM
If you gotta tell people you don't care about something...   :teehee
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2010, 12:41:11 AM
Glad to hear FoC is doing alright, Himu
Title: Re: Boogie does it too, but if I complained he'd snap my neck
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 29, 2010, 02:37:50 AM
You know how JD will do those posts where he breaks someone's quote up into a billion pieces and responds to each line individually?

Yeah, I think they're awesome too.

I think the style works well when there are multiple unrelated topics brought up in a single post.  If you don't like it, don't read it.  I don't really care.


For the benefit of yourself and Mandark: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisking
Title: I know about the blogs. I used to read the Calpundit.
Post by: Mandark on September 29, 2010, 02:49:17 AM
I know (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=28125.msg983182#msg983182) all about (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=24570.msg640833;topicseen#msg640833) the fisking and am proud of my longstanding record of opposition to it.
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: etiolate on September 29, 2010, 03:52:13 AM
People felt the need to create another term for responding to individual points?
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Himu on September 29, 2010, 04:54:47 AM
jaydubya, when I said utopian, I meant that this system COULD work...in a magic fantasy land that is not earth.
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Oblivion on September 29, 2010, 06:01:24 AM
Libertarians fancy themselves as "rebels". They also like to think of themselves as intellectuals when essentially they follow a simplistic dogmatic non realistic blueprint for life. Which is why they are generally worse to talk to than people who actually self identify as Republicans or Democrats. Because at least potentially there is some give and take in such a conversation. That is almost impossible with true libertarians. Fortunately there are very few of them irl.

Jesse Ventura vs. Sarah Palin

hmmm....
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2010, 07:42:21 AM
Libertarians fancy themselves as "rebels". They also like to think of themselves as intellectuals when essentially they follow a simplistic dogmatic non realistic blueprint for life. Which is why they are generally worse to talk to than people who actually self identify as Republicans or Democrats. Because at least potentially there is some give and take in such a conversation. That is almost impossible with true libertarians. Fortunately there are very few of them irl.

Jesse Ventura vs. Sarah Palin

hmmm....


For every interesting thing Jesse has to say he also has something batshit insane to say like his conspiracy comments about the WTC. So  that's probably not a great debate on either side. Stupid versus Wacky. (Although Jesse has said some things I do like concerning church and state)
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Himu on September 29, 2010, 08:19:11 AM
Do you usually enter in to political debates with complete strangers?

No. I just commented on his Ron Paul book and it went from there.
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Chinner on September 29, 2010, 09:46:17 AM
uh oh jayduba is in the thread
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: chronovore on September 29, 2010, 10:14:57 AM
Libertarians fancy themselves as "rebels". They also like to think of themselves as intellectuals when essentially they follow a simplistic dogmatic non realistic blueprint for life. Which is why they are generally worse to talk to than people who actually self identify as Republicans or Democrats. Because at least potentially there is some give and take in such a conversation. That is almost impossible with true libertarians. Fortunately there are very few of them irl.

Jesse Ventura vs. Sarah Palin

hmmm....


I think I have that video.

...Or something that looks suspiciously like what that would look like.
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: muckhole on September 29, 2010, 10:36:12 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 29, 2010, 11:22:52 AM
People felt the need to create another term for responding to individual points?

because when the line-by-line responses don't address the core argument or posit an alternative view, it's a disingenuous and somewhat cowardly attempt by the fisker to diminish his opponent without presenting an argumentative surface of his own. fisking, unlike a proper rebuttal, often provides very little to an overall discussion and more often still just fragments it, usually to the much-needed benefit of the fisker. have you ever argued on the internet before?
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2010, 01:04:07 PM
because when the line-by-line responses don't address the core argument or posit an alternative view, it's a disingenuous and somewhat cowardly attempt by the fisker to diminish his opponent without presenting an argumentative surface of his own

Poor logic, not that I'm surprised :smug

fisking, unlike a proper rebuttal, often provides very little to an overall discussion

According to you :smug

and more often still just fragments it, usually to the much-needed benefit of the fisker.

u mad? :smug

have you ever argued on the internet before?

clearly you haven't :smug
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 29, 2010, 01:18:20 PM
etoilet doesn't like it when the internet deliberates on its own nature without his input :'(
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 29, 2010, 01:26:16 PM
i must attempt a gif-fisking at some point
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 29, 2010, 01:36:18 PM
(http://i53.tinypic.com/ae4mxf.jpg)
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 29, 2010, 01:39:52 PM
i dunno, but that gaf thread destroyed my productivity this morning! :'( :-*
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Mupepe on September 29, 2010, 01:59:13 PM
:lol 

Someone emote those woody pics from GAF.  They're so awesome
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 29, 2010, 03:05:01 PM
yeah, we need a pervo woodyface emote
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2010, 03:07:42 PM
Most disturbing thought is that the same manchildren who cried at the end of Toy Story 3 probably beat off to this
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Mupepe on September 29, 2010, 03:15:04 PM
 :lol

Nah, they're all whining about people ruining their childhood in the GAF thread.  People are actually pissed about them.
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2010, 03:17:08 PM
:lol

Nah, they're all whining about people ruining their childhood in the GAF thread.  People are actually pissed about them.

I guess Woody is moe
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Himu on September 29, 2010, 03:42:02 PM
woody gifs link plz
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Mupepe on September 29, 2010, 04:19:56 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=408698
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 29, 2010, 04:27:27 PM
The Prof. X one is the best
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 29, 2010, 04:39:26 PM
(http://imgur.com/5qQPo.jpg)
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 29, 2010, 07:31:47 PM
That's priceless. :lol
Title: Re: Boogie does it too, but if I complained he'd snap my neck
Post by: Boogie on September 29, 2010, 07:38:09 PM
Boogie does it too, but if I complained he'd snap my neck

 :lol

I didn't know this was even a thing, complete with a label and wiki page.

Of course, now I'm going to be all hesitant and self-conscious about doing it in the future.  :-\

spoiler (click to show/hide)
which I'm sure was your cunning plan all along.  Damn you, Mandark!
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Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Fresh Prince on September 29, 2010, 08:23:03 PM
I keep on reading this thread as, 'I just dated with a librarian girl'
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Barry Egan on September 29, 2010, 09:00:44 PM
librarian girls :drool
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2010, 09:22:00 PM
librarian girls :drool

could be a great Weird Al song
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 29, 2010, 09:35:44 PM
edit: INTERNET U FAIL ME
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Barry Egan on September 29, 2010, 09:51:06 PM
librarian girls :drool

could be a great Weird Al song

He probably thought of this while on the set for Liberian Girl (before he was cut out in editing  :'()
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2010, 11:53:14 PM
i dunno, but that gaf thread destroyed my productivity this morning! :'( :-*

(http://tinyurl.com/23vkhwo)
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Fresh Prince on September 29, 2010, 11:55:07 PM
black men can't jump
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Mupepe on September 30, 2010, 09:38:49 AM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Mupepe on September 30, 2010, 10:16:41 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/masterbate/1280880043015.jpg)
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Mupepe on September 30, 2010, 10:18:22 AM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4131/5004749079_746f01b888_o.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4110/5004749211_6b5943d02c_o.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4109/5004749423_6d287a9c24_o.jpg)
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Mupepe on September 30, 2010, 10:19:28 AM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4143/4970081498_d222996b60_o.jpg)
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Mupepe on September 30, 2010, 10:20:03 AM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4152/4969469591_0e1a93885f_o.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4092/4970081086_e28907eaa5_o.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4146/4970081790_db47076a22_o.jpg)
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: chronovore on September 30, 2010, 11:10:35 AM
These are killing me.
Title: Re: I just debated with a libertarian irl
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 30, 2010, 02:34:20 PM
woody makes a shit week AWESOME