I just debated with a libertarian irl

[Himu]

Went to get dinner because I'm going to be working later than I thought. DR2 nooo  :'(  Saw some guy with a Ron Paul book, mentioned it to him and we had a talk for like an hour.

It was this for one hour over coffee and steak:

"schools should be free market"
"then who would fund the schools?"
"charities."
"you can't be this naive."
"fact of the matter is that public schools in america are failing, wouldn't you agree?"
"Yes, very much so."
"what about the poor? what about the disenfranchised schools in the ghetto?"
"Poor people? Why do the poor matter?"
"..."
"They have churches."

then he went on about privacy (drug use, consuming, digesting). He said that the gov had no right to interfere with people and what they do privately in their homes so long as what they do does not harm others and this includes digesting anything they want, without regulation, even if they kill themselves. So I asked him what he thought about government regulation of company products that contain excess amounts of sugar and sodium. His answer? Let the consumers decide what the best and most healthy product. THE SAME CONSUMERS WHO MADE AVATAR THE BEST SELLING MOVIE?!?!?!

We hit a lot of issues and some of them I agree with, but almost every point he made was followed up with sugar laced naivete. Like his stance on foreign policy. Sure, I agree we should take our guys out of fucking South America or whatever. But then he told me he thinks we should get rid of our OWN military bases. Like here. At home.

Really?

I'm sorry if this thread seemed unnecessary, I've just never openly discussed anything with a libertarian in this manner and I was baffled. It's pure utopian "politics" at its best that seems appeal to one group and one group only: privileged white people.

[Himu]

Fortunately no.

[Joe Molotov]

Child labor laws are silly and outdated. In the good old days, kids as young as five could work as they pleased; from textile factories to iron smelts. But today, the age old right of children to work is under attack!

[Van Cruncheon]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/210904?RS_show_page=0

[Great Rumbler]

"Well," he says, "there's a lot of people on welfare who don't deserve it. Too many people are living off the government."

"But," I protest, "you live off the government. And have been your whole life!"

"Yeah," he says, "but I don't make very much."

[youtube=560,345]AArX50Kulns[/youtube]

[Stoney Mason]

Libertarians fancy themselves as "rebels". They also like to think of themselves as intellectuals when essentially they follow a simplistic dogmatic non realistic blueprint for life. Which is why they are generally worse to talk to than people who actually self identify as Republicans or Democrats. Because at least potentially there is some give and take in such a conversation. That is almost impossible with true libertarians. Fortunately there are very few of them irl.

[Fresh Prince]

They are such a small minority like communists. Not worth being bothered about. Religious people otoh are everywhere.

[Stoney Mason]

This board's fascination with libertarians amuses me.  However, I used to work at the Cato Institute, so I suppose I'm like a gynecologist who's bored of pussy. 

For what its worth I think libertarians are a matter of discussion because their numbers on message boards far outstrip their numbers in real life. So there is always a slight disconnect there.  


Sames as atheists, or lots of other groups that seem a lot more populous on the internet.

[Fresh Prince]

On the places you visit on the internet.

[ToxicAdam]

It's a nice place to visit, but you don't want to live there.

[Fresh Prince]

kentuckybore atleast know how to party.

[Mandark]

"After the revolution, we will all eat strawberries!"

"But I don't like strawberries."

"After the revolution, you will love strawberries!"

[Mandark]

You know how JD will do those posts where he breaks someone's quote up into a billion pieces and responds to each line individually?

Yeah, I think they're awesome too.

[Van Cruncheon]

"if people don't want to be literate or healthy, then good for them! they are exercising their freedom and it doesn't affect me or anyone else! we are all islands!"

[Van Cruncheon]

"a rising tide may lift all boats, but it also drowns those with their feet on the ground"

[Mandark]

If you gotta tell people you don't care about something...   

[Phoenix Dark]

Glad to hear FoC is doing alright, Himu

[Howard Alan Treesong]

You know how JD will do those posts where he breaks someone's quote up into a billion pieces and responds to each line individually?

Yeah, I think they're awesome too.

I think the style works well when there are multiple unrelated topics brought up in a single post.  If you don't like it, don't read it.  I don't really care.

For the benefit of yourself and Mandark: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisking

[Mandark]

I know all about the fisking and am proud of my longstanding record of opposition to it.

[etiolate]

People felt the need to create another term for responding to individual points?

[Himu]

jaydubya, when I said utopian, I meant that this system COULD work...in a magic fantasy land that is not earth.

[Oblivion]

Libertarians fancy themselves as "rebels". They also like to think of themselves as intellectuals when essentially they follow a simplistic dogmatic non realistic blueprint for life. Which is why they are generally worse to talk to than people who actually self identify as Republicans or Democrats. Because at least potentially there is some give and take in such a conversation. That is almost impossible with true libertarians. Fortunately there are very few of them irl.

Jesse Ventura vs. Sarah Palin

hmmm....

[Stoney Mason]

Libertarians fancy themselves as "rebels". They also like to think of themselves as intellectuals when essentially they follow a simplistic dogmatic non realistic blueprint for life. Which is why they are generally worse to talk to than people who actually self identify as Republicans or Democrats. Because at least potentially there is some give and take in such a conversation. That is almost impossible with true libertarians. Fortunately there are very few of them irl.

Jesse Ventura vs. Sarah Palin

hmmm....

For every interesting thing Jesse has to say he also has something batshit insane to say like his conspiracy comments about the WTC. So  that's probably not a great debate on either side. Stupid versus Wacky. (Although Jesse has said some things I do like concerning church and state)

[Himu]

Do you usually enter in to political debates with complete strangers?

No. I just commented on his Ron Paul book and it went from there.

[Chinner]

uh oh jayduba is in the thread

[chronovore]

Libertarians fancy themselves as "rebels". They also like to think of themselves as intellectuals when essentially they follow a simplistic dogmatic non realistic blueprint for life. Which is why they are generally worse to talk to than people who actually self identify as Republicans or Democrats. Because at least potentially there is some give and take in such a conversation. That is almost impossible with true libertarians. Fortunately there are very few of them irl.

Jesse Ventura vs. Sarah Palin

hmmm....

I think I have that video.

...Or something that looks suspiciously like what that would look like.

[muckhole]

 

[Van Cruncheon]

People felt the need to create another term for responding to individual points?

because when the line-by-line responses don't address the core argument or posit an alternative view, it's a disingenuous and somewhat cowardly attempt by the fisker to diminish his opponent without presenting an argumentative surface of his own. fisking, unlike a proper rebuttal, often provides very little to an overall discussion and more often still just fragments it, usually to the much-needed benefit of the fisker. have you ever argued on the internet before?

[Phoenix Dark]

because when the line-by-line responses don't address the core argument or posit an alternative view, it's a disingenuous and somewhat cowardly attempt by the fisker to diminish his opponent without presenting an argumentative surface of his own

Poor logic, not that I'm surprised

fisking, unlike a proper rebuttal, often provides very little to an overall discussion

According to you

and more often still just fragments it, usually to the much-needed benefit of the fisker.

u mad?

have you ever argued on the internet before?

clearly you haven't

[Van Cruncheon]

etoilet doesn't like it when the internet deliberates on its own nature without his input :'(

[Van Cruncheon]

i must attempt a gif-fisking at some point

[Van Cruncheon]

[Van Cruncheon]

i dunno, but that gaf thread destroyed my productivity this morning! :'(

[Mupepe]

 

Someone emote those woody pics from GAF.  They're so awesome

[Van Cruncheon]

yeah, we need a pervo woodyface emote

[Phoenix Dark]

Most disturbing thought is that the same manchildren who cried at the end of Toy Story 3 probably beat off to this

[Mupepe]

 

Nah, they're all whining about people ruining their childhood in the GAF thread.  People are actually pissed about them.

[Phoenix Dark]

Nah, they're all whining about people ruining their childhood in the GAF thread.  People are actually pissed about them.

I guess Woody is moe

[Himu]

woody gifs link plz

[Mupepe]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=408698

[Dickie Dee]

The Prof. X one is the best

[Mr. Gundam]

[Joe Molotov]

That's priceless.

[Boogie]

Boogie does it too, but if I complained he'd snap my neck

 

I didn't know this was even a thing, complete with a label and wiki page.

Of course, now I'm going to be all hesitant and self-conscious about doing it in the future. 

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which I'm sure was your cunning plan all along.  Damn you, Mandark!

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[Fresh Prince]

I keep on reading this thread as, 'I just dated with a librarian girl'

[Barry Egan]

librarian girls

[Phoenix Dark]

librarian girls

could be a great Weird Al song

[Van Cruncheon]

edit: INTERNET U FAIL ME

[Barry Egan]

librarian girls

could be a great Weird Al song

He probably thought of this while on the set for Liberian Girl (before he was cut out in editing  :'()

[Phoenix Dark]

i dunno, but that gaf thread destroyed my productivity this morning! :'(

[Fresh Prince]

black men can't jump

[Mupepe]

 

[Mupepe]

[Mupepe]

[Mupepe]

[Mupepe]

[chronovore]

These are killing me.

[Van Cruncheon]

woody makes a shit week AWESOME