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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: AdmiralViscen on October 12, 2010, 02:51:32 PM

Title: sonic 4
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 12, 2010, 02:51:32 PM

lol

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 12, 2010, 02:53:06 PM

Oh yeah, that's out today isn't it?

In other creepiness, I did an observation of a middle school student the other day in art class... the back wall was plastered with pictures student had done of Sonic characters.... [shudders]

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: ManaByte on October 12, 2010, 03:09:18 PM

Been out for over a week on the iPhone, which has two levels the console ones don't.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Sho Nuff on October 12, 2010, 03:17:06 PM

WTF, I watched the videos and sonic doesn't speed up when running down slopes

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 12, 2010, 03:23:38 PM

Demo is out on JPN PSN. It plays weird. I will probably buy it thanks to the rebate program they are doing this month.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: cool breeze on October 12, 2010, 04:25:57 PM

I downloaded it but was too lazy to reach for my controller, so I just played it on the bluetooth remote.  All I really did was hold right and press the middle button so sonic would dash towards the enemies.  Demo is only like two minutes long.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 12, 2010, 06:02:04 PM

I'll buy it if it comes out on Steam.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: demi on October 12, 2010, 06:10:36 PM

i got the wii version but im too lazy to set it up

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Sho Nuff on October 13, 2010, 12:50:49 AM

Got demo off PSN

This is SHITTY AS FUCK

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Bebpo on October 13, 2010, 02:09:34 AM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 12, 2010, 02:51:32 PM

lol

After playing the demo, those were my feelings as well!

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 13, 2010, 09:29:37 AM

Don't call me gay:



From the demo and from videos, it seems like the level design is pretty strong. The controls are NOT.

Just from my play:
-on the first little ledge in the game, as I run off the right I try to jump. For some reason the game thinks that I am not on the ledge so I do an air dash and it sucks all my momentum dry and looks stupid.
-if you EVER let go of right/left on the stick ALL MOMENTUM is instantly lost. It is very jarring and looks strange. Try spin dashing, jumping, and letting go off the stick. You will come to a dead halt instantly. Same goes for your standard jumping. It feels very strange and looks even worse, but I suppose it might allow for more accurate platforming than the older Sonic games.
-On 3 dfifferent occasions in the demo, I got stuck standing sideways on a wall. Once just from running at it too slow and experimenting, the prior times I was launched into a scooped wall from some other platform and just stuck to it sideways like Spiderman. Sonic will just stay there. You can even spindash from this position without sliding down.
-It is really annoying that they un-ball you when you launch off of an edge. This requires you to use the homing attack if they jam an enemy in someplace (which they do twice in the demo level). With the level of screen zoom and the time it takes for the game to 'lock on' for you, it's easy to accidentally air dash the enemy even if you aren't dumb enough to fly straight into him.
-Screen is kinda too zoomed in.

I don't know why they gave it R34L HD FIZZIX and then made them behave less naturally than games from 1991.

It's still fun to play though, I think I will buy it.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2010, 06:42:47 PM

[youtube=560,345]KmYjg9sa5bw[/youtube]

:rofl

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 13, 2010, 06:50:35 PM

The best Sonic games were the ones developed in the United States.  8)

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: The Sceneman on October 14, 2010, 05:58:23 AM

Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 13, 2010, 06:42:47 PM

[youtube=560,345]KmYjg9sa5bw[/youtube]

:rofl

 :lol :lol

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: magus on October 14, 2010, 06:04:24 AM

Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 13, 2010, 06:42:47 PM

[youtube=560,345]KmYjg9sa5bw[/youtube]

:rofl

if only every review could be awesome like this one :'(

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: pilonv1 on October 14, 2010, 06:12:31 AM

sonic in shitty game shocker

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 14, 2010, 08:27:08 AM

Quote from: pilonv1 on October 14, 2010, 06:12:31 AM

sonic in shitty game shocker

No dude, it got the best results in years, ending the era of the bad Sonics. 8.0/10 We finally made it guys!

[youtube=560,345]rnzRd0wVcyc[/youtube]

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: tiesto on October 14, 2010, 10:47:15 AM

The physics and momentum in the game just seem completely off. Other than that, it wasn't horrible, which means its better than nearly every Sonic game released since 1995.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 14, 2010, 11:07:33 AM

I woke up really early for some reason and tried the trial version. Rather than harping on this version which I found to be lacking, I would say that even if they made a perfect Sonic game that replicated those earlier ones, I still wouldn't have liked it. It's just not my thing at this stage in my life. It's like watching a Pokemon cartoon or something. It's not nostalgia for me anymore.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Bebpo on October 14, 2010, 11:44:25 AM

That's basically how I feel.  Haven't liked a Sonic game since SA2

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: magus on October 14, 2010, 11:52:31 AM

haven't liked a sonic game since ever :smug

never understood what was the big deal ???

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 14, 2010, 11:58:38 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 14, 2010, 11:07:33 AM

I woke up really early for some reason and tried the trial version. Rather than harping on this version which I found to be lacking, I would say that even if they made a perfect Sonic game that replicated those earlier ones, I still wouldn't have liked it. It's just not my thing at this stage in my life. It's like watching a Pokemon cartoon or something. It's not nostalgia for me anymore.

The older Sonic games [1-3 and Sonic and Knuckles] are still great fun and well-made in pretty much every way. Great, memorable music, huge, branching levels that usually have more than one way to get to the end, high-speed action that still requires platforming skill and quick reflexes, emphasis on momentum and physics, and all that. It's not like they're some fluff games where you press right on the D-pad and watch the pretty graphics go by.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: tiesto on October 14, 2010, 12:02:47 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 14, 2010, 11:58:38 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 14, 2010, 11:07:33 AM

I woke up really early for some reason and tried the trial version. Rather than harping on this version which I found to be lacking, I would say that even if they made a perfect Sonic game that replicated those earlier ones, I still wouldn't have liked it. It's just not my thing at this stage in my life. It's like watching a Pokemon cartoon or something. It's not nostalgia for me anymore.

The older Sonic games [1-3 and Sonic and Knuckles] are still great fun and well-made in pretty much every way. Great, memorable music, huge, branching levels that usually have more than one way to get to the end, high-speed action that still requires platforming skill and quick reflexes, emphasis on momentum and physics, and all that. It's not like they're some fluff games where you press right on the D-pad and watch the pretty graphics go by.

Yup, totally agree with you. Some clever level designs (large, with multiple paths, tons of secret passages), fantastic music, tight controls and physics, great colorful graphics. Really great games and very 'pick up and play', as they're not nearly as long as the Mario games.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 14, 2010, 12:16:39 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 14, 2010, 11:58:38 AM

The older Sonic games [1-3 and Sonic and Knuckles] are still great fun and well-made in pretty much every way. Great, memorable music, huge, branching levels that usually have more than one way to get to the end, high-speed action that still requires platforming skill and quick reflexes, emphasis on momentum and physics, and all that. It's not like they're some fluff games where you press right on the D-pad and watch the pretty graphics go by.

Yeah I won't overly get into an argument on this other than to say that while I agree those old sonic games were better than this, even back then they weren't especially impressive for me as purely games. They were fun very casual games that were good for that time and era of gaming. But then I feel the same way about space invaders. That doesn't mean I want to play Space Invaders nowadays in that same original form. Although if others are craving for that then more power to them I guess. 

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 14, 2010, 12:26:58 PM

I still play the Genesis Sonic games, they're great even today. Sonic Adventure 1, however, not so much. Hasn't aged well at all, controls are way too floaty and collision detection is horrible. Camera is bad and the levels are way too linear and on-rails.

I liked them both when they came out, but one's an all-time classic and the other's just a passing fling.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Beezy on October 14, 2010, 01:00:12 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 13, 2010, 09:29:37 AM

-if you EVER let go of right/left on the stick ALL MOMENTUM is instantly lost. It is very jarring and looks strange. Try spin dashing, jumping, and letting go off the stick. You will come to a dead halt instantly. Same goes for your standard jumping.

This was my main problem with the demo. Who the hell actually thought that was a good idea for a platformer?

I also don't like his homing attack. Makes an already easy game even easier. Leave that in the 3D Sonics.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 14, 2010, 02:08:54 PM

beat the game, got all the emeralds, beat the first level in under a minute

B+

The first level is the worst in the game IMO. All the other Zones are much better.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 14, 2010, 02:21:12 PM

Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 13, 2010, 06:42:47 PM

[youtube=560,345]KmYjg9sa5bw[/youtube]

:rofl

:lol

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: TripleA on October 14, 2010, 04:49:56 PM

Sega is a fucking joke

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: iconoclast on October 15, 2010, 02:11:59 AM

Sega has been doing a great job for years now, especially as a publisher. Plus they still have some great internal studios. AM2 is one of the best developers in the world, Overworks is good/great, and Amusement Vision pumps out so many [good] Yakuza games it would make Activision blush. Even Sonic Team has their moments.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: demi on October 15, 2010, 02:15:53 AM

I played the first level... and I wasnt offended. I mean. I was... the graphics are disgusting. Why do they have all these retro sprites when the game is gaudy nasty 3D. The special level was confusing to control.

But it was ok.

I would say Unleashed is still better.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Raban on October 15, 2010, 04:41:10 AM

Is Yakuza ever going multiplat?

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: iconoclast on October 15, 2010, 04:56:47 AM

Quote from: startselect on October 15, 2010, 04:41:10 AM

Is Yakuza ever going multiplat?

Seeing as it would sell horribly on the Xbox in Japan, and the series already doesn't do very well in the west (it took a ton of complaining to get Sega to do a cheapass localization for Yakuza 3, although they were apparently happy with its sales - which I doubt were any more than 70-80k combined in the US & EU), probably not.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 15, 2010, 02:27:20 PM

This is a good game.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 17, 2010, 02:09:29 PM

this is uniformly awful

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: demi on October 17, 2010, 02:34:33 PM

Yeah it's pretty wack. Unleashed poos on it.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: demi on October 17, 2010, 02:45:56 PM

Sorry man. I'm a huge Sonic fan and others agree. Unleashed was a step in the right direction. Sonic 4 is about 4 steps back and a wrong turn.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: cool breeze on October 17, 2010, 02:55:44 PM

Sonic Colors :rock

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: demi on October 17, 2010, 02:55:50 PM

I beat the first level.

When Sonic Team said "listening to Fans is stupid" - they werer right. The fans dont know what they want.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 17, 2010, 04:55:20 PM

Everyone in this thread is wrong. Even classics like Sonic 2 are shit, so don't tell me Sonic 4 is even adequate. The only good sonic games are sonic3andknuckles and sonic 1.  Maybe if shallow trial and error gameplay injected with superfluous qte bullshit fills the void of your empty life then, sure, I see how you could pretend to like Unleashed or the Rush games.  Sonic Colors will be trash too.

Play more mario.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: demi on October 17, 2010, 04:58:31 PM

Mario is doing even worse. When was the last good Mario? Mario 2?

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 17, 2010, 05:01:14 PM

Super Mario Galaxy 2 is... "good", although it didn't really click with me, but I can recognise that it was well made.

New Super Mario Bros Wii is the best platformer ever!

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 17, 2010, 05:12:56 PM

Mario games sell like 15 million+. Sega is happy if they can sell a few hundred thousand of whatever stupid gimmick Sonic is doing this time around. The people have spoken.

:bow Mario :bow2

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: demi on October 17, 2010, 05:30:17 PM

Mario RPG > Sonic RPG :smug

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 17, 2010, 05:36:01 PM

Quote from: Wrath2X on October 17, 2010, 05:17:49 PM

Just like a gaffer, sales  :lol

:bow Genesis Sonic Games :bow2

:bow Sonic 4 :bow2

:bow Sega :bow2

What would you argue?  Something intangible like 'quality'?  Fun shit sells. Busted ass shit declines with each iteration into obscurity. I quote sales because its reality. Truth hurts, I know.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 17, 2010, 05:50:51 PM

Oh, typical nerd response: "If its popular then I want nothing to do with it!"

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: demi on October 17, 2010, 05:53:42 PM

Quote from: Wrath2X on October 17, 2010, 05:44:09 PM

Yes yes go with the mainstream :smug

Quote from: demi on October 17, 2010, 05:30:17 PM

Mario RPG > Sonic RPG :smug

That was Bioware, not sega :smug

Mario was Squeenix, not nintendo :smug

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 17, 2010, 06:12:02 PM

Ewww, dragon age and star wars fanboy projects.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: demi on October 17, 2010, 06:24:01 PM

Quote from: Wrath2X on October 17, 2010, 05:53:58 PM

typical nerd response: "typical nerd response blablabla"

Quote from: demi on October 17, 2010, 05:53:42 PM

Mario was Squeenix, not nintendo :smug

Bioware: Mass Effect 1 & 2, Dragon Age.

Squeenix:  :uguu

:smug

LOL this fool defending BioWare. I win

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: demi on October 17, 2010, 06:26:56 PM

TLR > Anything from BioWare

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: demi on October 17, 2010, 06:28:18 PM

Sonic > BioWare

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Raban on October 17, 2010, 07:14:47 PM

:rofl

Sonic 4 is shit, Sonic is shit, Mario has been shit since SM64, end of story.

Also Square > BioWare. BioWare sure knows how to write a good story, but most of their games play like ass. The inverse is true of Square.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 17, 2010, 07:15:22 PM

Quote from: demi on October 17, 2010, 06:28:18 PM

Sonic > BioWare

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/99/The_Dark_Brotherhood.jpg)

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Raban on October 17, 2010, 07:26:04 PM

I know, the truth hurts.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 17, 2010, 07:48:17 PM

Unleashed is better than this, but this is till good.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 17, 2010, 07:48:23 PM

Hey now, you can't throw the entire mario franchise under the bus for just Sunshine, shits unfair, Nintendo was crestfallen back in the cube days.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Raban on October 17, 2010, 07:52:58 PM

Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on October 17, 2010, 07:48:23 PM

Hey now, you can't throw the entire mario franchise under the bus for just Sunshine, shits unfair, Nintendo was crestfallen back in the cube days.

Sunshine wasn't even that bad, I don't blame that game. Galaxy 1 and 2 are too linear and piss-easy compared to SM64. Also NSMB Wii is :yuck

EDIT: That's not to say I didn't have fun with any of the above games ('cept NSMB Wii). I'm a die-hard platformer fan, I take what I can get.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 17, 2010, 08:00:34 PM

Any hate for NSMBW is irrational and unfounded, I will not stand for this!

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2010, 10:16:16 PM

lol @ Galaxy hate

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: tiesto on October 18, 2010, 08:59:52 AM

Quote from: Wrath2X on October 17, 2010, 05:17:49 PM

Just like a gaffer, sales  :lol

:bow Genesis Sonic Games :bow2

:bow Sonic 4 :bow2

:bow Sega :bow2

Also, don't forget that EmceeGrammar is a Wii Music fan.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: naff on October 18, 2010, 09:39:27 AM

Mario > Sonic

Bioware != Square Enix (not really comparable devs but I'd take Biowares output this gen over Squeenix any day)

Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on October 17, 2010, 06:12:02 PM

Ewww, dragon age and star wars fanboy projects.

EAT A TURD YOU DIRTY POOR NINTARD

:piss          :piss2
    :poop  (http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss176/EmCeeGramr/th_mickey.jpg) :poop

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 18, 2010, 12:11:20 PM

I don't eat turds aka play Bioware games.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Third on October 18, 2010, 01:21:35 PM

This game reminds me how bad the original Sonics are. Directly removed it from my sd card.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Himu on October 18, 2010, 01:55:06 PM

Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on October 17, 2010, 04:55:20 PM

Everyone in this thread is wrong. Even classics like Sonic 2 are shit, so don't tell me Sonic 4 is even adequate. The only good sonic games are sonic3andknuckles and sonic 1.  Maybe if shallow trial and error gameplay injected with superfluous qte bullshit fills the void of your empty life then, sure, I see how you could pretend to like Unleashed or the Rush games.  Sonic Colors will be trash too.

Play more mario.

The truth hurts but this is real talk.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 18, 2010, 02:32:55 PM

EmCeeGrammar's post fails for not listing Sonic CD in the "good" column.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Himu on October 18, 2010, 04:06:17 PM

Sonic Cd sucks.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 18, 2010, 04:09:44 PM

shots fired nicca

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 18, 2010, 05:17:21 PM

You done crossed the line, Himu!

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: bork on October 18, 2010, 06:49:23 PM

Quote from: Wrath2X on October 17, 2010, 05:04:54 PM

2d genesis Sonics >> all 2d marios.

 :patel

lol

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 18, 2010, 07:50:02 PM

[youtube=560,345]wz3BuYYhnn0[/youtube]

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[youtube=560,345]NT6zfPC3sDk[/youtube]

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Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Raban on October 18, 2010, 09:41:55 PM

Quote from: Wrath2X on October 18, 2010, 07:12:57 PM

To be perfectly honest, the only good 2D mario's are the first(my fav <3), smb2 and NSMBW. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island is great but I consider it a yoshi game.

Alright, not only are all 2D Sonic games utter shit even when compared to other platformers on the Genesis (Ristar is much better than pretty much every 2D Sonic combined) but your failure to mention Super Mario World pretty much discredits everything you have to say about platforming as a genre. Go fellate Huelen you closet furry.

The only Sonic game worth my time was Sonic Adventure. Assloads of content, gameplay variety and solid level design all working under a glorious soundtrack. The rest of the series is a joke, sorry.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Positive Touch on October 18, 2010, 09:52:44 PM

sonic 4 > opinions in this thread

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Himu on October 18, 2010, 09:59:08 PM

SMB3 *is* overrated but so is Mario 64.

SMB1, World, Yoshi's Island, Sunshine and Galaxy are at the top. I have a soft spot for S2, 3, and 64 even though they're not all that great.

Sonic is similar. Although I have a soft spot for Sonic 2, it's not nearly as good as Sonic 1 or Sonic 3 and Knuckles and Sonic CD is a horribly average game. Haven't liked a Sonic game since Knuckles.

So ultimately Mario is the superior series even if people overstate its quality as a platformer more than a little too much. But when you've got a game like Galaxy or Yoshi's Island in your repertoire, you kinda deserve that much.

I feel Mega Man and Rocket Knight Adventures obliterate both. Series.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Raban on October 18, 2010, 10:35:59 PM

I agree with you, Himu, but SM64 isn't overrated. I dunno when you last played it, but there isn't a single 3D platformer that bests it, as far as I've played. I only just recently completed it, so this isn't nostalgia and as a whole I'm weary of the Mario series, I don't consider myself a fan.

SM64 doesn't have a single dull stage, where I have a hard time keeping track of them in Sunshine or Galaxy 2, since there are so fucking many. Even the underwater stages in 64 are a blast. I dare you to find a more consistently good 3D platformer.

FAKE EDIT: I feel it's worth it to mention the bulk of my experience with SM64 was the DS version, which I find improved pretty much everything from the original.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Raban on October 18, 2010, 10:47:06 PM

::) only digging yourself deeper

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Raban on October 18, 2010, 10:54:09 PM

When did I say that?

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: naff on October 18, 2010, 10:59:46 PM

Quote from: startselect on October 18, 2010, 10:54:09 PM

When did I say that?

I'm with Wrath on this one. You're pretty forceful about your subjective opinion.

Quote from: startselect

Alright, not only are all 2D Sonic games utter shit even when compared to other platformers on the Genesis

Quote from: Wrath2X on October 18, 2010, 10:49:46 PM

"Your opinion is not like mine, so you are wrong"

That's the implication I get...

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Himu on October 18, 2010, 11:02:23 PM

Quote from: startselect on October 18, 2010, 10:35:59 PM

I agree with you, Himu, but SM64 isn't overrated. I dunno when you last played it, but there isn't a single 3D platformer that bests it, as far as I've played. I only just recently completed it, so this isn't nostalgia and as a whole I'm weary of the Mario series, I don't consider myself a fan.

SM64 doesn't have a single dull stage, where I have a hard time keeping track of them in Sunshine or Galaxy 2, since there are so fucking many. Even the underwater stages in 64 are a blast. I dare you to find a more consistently good 3D platformer.

FAKE EDIT: I feel it's worth it to mention the bulk of my experience with SM64 was the DS version, which I find improved pretty much everything from the original.

Get Galaxy 1.

I played Galaxy 2 about two months after Galaxy 1 and it's not nearly on the same footing. I beat Galaxy 1 in about 2 days, with over 80 stars. When I DID get 120 stars, I immediately started a new game and couldn't pull myself away from the tv for another hour even though I already played the same levels not much long before. It took me over a month and a half to get 120 stars in Galaxy 2 and I took it out of my wii after getting two green stars (post-game content).

Not nearly as good in any way.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Raban on October 18, 2010, 11:16:04 PM

I agree with Wrath on this one, from what I hear SMG2 is a lot better than 1 from pretty much every trusted source, and you yourself said G1 has bullshit motion control centric levels. I'll eventually nab it though, just outta curiosoty.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Himu on October 18, 2010, 11:21:15 PM

Galaxy 2 has the same motion control levels.

And most of those people only say that because the media says Galaxy 2 is better than Galaxy 1.

Evilbore's consensus is that Galaxy 2 is uninspired and not on the same footing as Galaxy 1 but still a great game.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Himu on October 18, 2010, 11:26:24 PM

Quote from: Wrath2X on October 18, 2010, 11:06:01 PM

Actually it was much, much better than Galaxy 1. For one thing it was actually fun.

This makes no sense. It's the same thing as Galaxy except with less unique level design and gameplay, it's far easier, recycles many concepts from the original, and is completely bloated for the sake of being "lengthy".

How anyone can say Mario Galaxy isn't fun while Galaxy 2 is a dissonance in my head.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Raban on October 18, 2010, 11:38:01 PM

Quote from: quietID on October 18, 2010, 10:59:46 PM

Quote from: startselect on October 18, 2010, 10:54:09 PM

When did I say that?

I'm with Wrath on this one. You're pretty forceful about your subjective opinion.

Quote from: startselect

Alright, not only are all 2D Sonic games utter shit even when compared to other platformers on the Genesis

Quote from: Wrath2X on October 18, 2010, 10:49:46 PM

"Your opinion is not like mine, so you are wrong"

That's the implication I get...

:teehee

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Himu on October 19, 2010, 12:02:13 AM

Media FUD and hype.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Raban on October 19, 2010, 01:01:19 AM

Denial and bad taste.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

jk you're my bro forever Himu :hump

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Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: demi on October 19, 2010, 01:40:25 AM

Wait people finished SMG2? I fell asleep at the 3rd level... you guys are some hardcore gamers

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Raban on October 19, 2010, 01:54:21 AM

Quote from: demi on October 19, 2010, 01:40:25 AM

Wait people finished SMG2? I fell asleep at the 3rd level... you guys are some hardcore gamers

demi :bow2

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Oblivion on October 19, 2010, 05:28:57 PM

SMG is definitely better than SMG2 in every area except MAYBE level design (and I question even that to a certain degree nowadays). So yeah, Himu's right on this one.

I gotta say, I'm pretty surprised that the praise for SMG2 is pretty much on par with SMG1, especially from the same posters and game 'journalists' that whine about games not taking enough risks.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Sho Nuff on October 21, 2010, 03:06:13 AM

The Sonic Fan Remix demo is out. It's basically two fans taking a shit on Sonic Team from 20,000 feet.

Grab it here. http://sonicfanremix.com/ (http://sonicfanremix.com/)

Yeah, the color balance is a little noisy and the camera is centered on Sonic all the time, but still, holy fucking crap it's SO MUCH BETTER than Sonic 4.

Also, it uses Unity3D for godsakes  :lol

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 21, 2010, 10:49:25 AM

:bow Some random buys :bow2

:piss Sega :piss2

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: TreIII on October 21, 2010, 10:55:56 AM

Quote from: Sho Nuff on October 21, 2010, 03:06:13 AM

The Sonic Fan Remix demo is out. It's basically two fans taking a shit on Sonic Team from 20,000 feet.

Grab it here. http://sonicfanremix.com/ (http://sonicfanremix.com/)

Yeah, the color balance is a little noisy and the camera is centered on Sonic all the time, but still, holy fucking crap it's SO MUCH BETTER than Sonic 4.

Also, it uses Unity3D for godsakes  :lol

The fact that a Sonic fan game is able to do better than most Sonic Team crafted games, is really not THAT much of a surprise, honestly. I've had more remarkable experiences with Sonic playing demos like Retro Sonic and Sonic XD than any thing else that Sega has put out in the last decade. :lol

I mean honestly, when one of the HNICs of Sega/Sonic Team thinks that the only "bad" game that the series has ever seen in its history is SONIC CHAOS (Game Gear, Master System), you know something ain't right.  ;)

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Stinkdog on October 21, 2010, 11:17:35 AM

I'm gonna throw my opinions to the wind here and say that I don't like Sonic 4 for the same reasons that I don't like Heavy Rain.

Let me elaborate:

David Cage time and time again promised that Heavy Rain would be a moving, high quality interactive drama.  The final product failed to deliver that because the plot is so riddled with holes that it's impossible to take the drama seriously in hindsight.  For a drama of any kind to be successful, it needs to have a well written and believable story.

Similarly, Ken Balough stated in a Gamespot preview interview (that has since been taken down) that: "Old-school Sonic fans have long asked to see a game that plays purely similar to the early games of the Genesis. Project Needlemouse is that critical first step that brings Sonic back to his 2D roots."  As can be plainly seen by playing the demo of Sonic 4, this is ridiculously far from the truth.  A key part of that "2D roots" experience was the same physics system of the classic games and a system like that is simply no where to be found in Sonic 4.

Both of these elements (a credible and believable story with no holes and a traditional Sonic physics system) are core elements to the games that the developers allegedly wanted to produce so it really makes me wonder why they weren't included at all.  You can't promise to revolutionize or revamp something, screw it up, and still expect people to like what you've created.

At least that's how it should work. :S

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: cool breeze on October 21, 2010, 11:34:12 AM

Quote from: Sho Nuff on October 21, 2010, 03:06:13 AM

The Sonic Fan Remix demo is out. It's basically two fans taking a shit on Sonic Team from 20,000 feet.

Grab it here. http://sonicfanremix.com/ (http://sonicfanremix.com/)

Yeah, the color balance is a little noisy and the camera is centered on Sonic all the time, but still, holy fucking crap it's SO MUCH BETTER than Sonic 4.

Also, it uses Unity3D for godsakes  :lol

I thought people were joking, but yeah, that short trial is better than what I've played of Sonic 4  :-\

but yeah, visuals are a bit too busy and distracting.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Beezy on October 21, 2010, 12:10:57 PM

Can someone send me the fan Sonic demo? Looks like Sega made them take it down. :(

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: cool breeze on October 21, 2010, 12:15:50 PM

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D315B1S7

http://www.mediafire.com/?0bevb78j3551j8c

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Beezy on October 21, 2010, 12:30:52 PM

thanks

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 21, 2010, 12:59:43 PM

Quote from: Beezy on October 21, 2010, 12:10:57 PM

Looks like Sega made them take it down. :(

They were embarrassed.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Sho Nuff on October 21, 2010, 01:14:22 PM

Tsc tsc

Man up Sega

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Beezy on October 21, 2010, 01:34:31 PM

Smh, this shits all over Sonic 4.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 21, 2010, 01:49:33 PM

Game could use some extra speed and some tightness in the controls but lol damn if it isn't far more promising than Sonic 4. Graphics are more inventive and better also.

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Himu on October 21, 2010, 01:50:34 PM

The speed is perfect. :rock

Title: Re: sonic 4
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2010, 07:53:08 PM

Tried the Sonic 4 demo.

What a hot, steamy turd. The controls are awful.