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Title: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2011, 06:40:11 PM
I'll update the post later


(http://media.industrygamers.com/editorial/2011/03/npdfeb11chart.png)



Software:

1.) Call of Duty: Black Ops (Activision Blizzard: 360, PS3, WII, NDS, PC) [Now the best selling game in the U.S. ever]
2.) Marvel vs. Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds (Capcom: 360, PS3) - 790.2K
3.) Just Dance 2 (Ubisoft: Wii) - 554K
4.) NBA 2K11 (Take-Two: 360, PS3, PSP, WII, PS2, PC)
5.) Dead Space 2 (EA: 360, PS3, PC)
6.) Zumba Fitness: Join the Party (Majesco: WII, 360, PS3)
7.) Bulletstorm (EA: 360, PS3, PC) - 285.6K
8.) Killzone 3 (Sony: PS3) - 279.9K
9.) Michael Jackson The Experience (Ubisoft: WII, DS, PSP)
10.) Mario Sports Mix (Nintendo: WII)

LTD Software:

Call Of Duty: Black Ops: 13.7 Million
New Super Mario Bros. DS: 9 Million
New Super Mario Bros. Wii: 8 Million
Donkey Kong Country Returns: 2 Million
Pokemon SoulSilver: 2 Million

Hardware:

Xbox 360 - 535,000 (+27%) [Top Console, 360's Best Non-Holiday Month Ever]
Wii - 454,000 (+14%)
PS3 - 403,000 (+12%)

Wedbush Numbers:

Call of Duty: Black Ops - 775,000

Dead Space 2 - ~311,880 (Down 31% from first month was the statement)

Zumba Fitness - 301,000

Mario Sports Mix - 200,000

Dragon Quest VI - 50,000

de Blob 2 - Much less than 75,000

uDraw - About the same as it sold in January

22 games sold over 100,000 copies (Up from 20 last year).

Kinect bundles outsold Move bundles 5:1 again.







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In advance of an expected monthly NPD report on new retail video game sales, Microsoft has revealed its Xbox 360 sold 535,000 units in February, making it the top-selling console in the U.S. for the second straight month.

The result is up 27 percent from the system's performance in February 2010 and is the largest monthly sales number the system has posted in a month outside of October, November or December, the company said.

Strong hardware sales fed into $475 million in total spending on Xbox products, including software and accessories, for the month. Despite this, only four of the month's top ten selling games were available on the Xbox 360: Call of Duty: Black Ops, Marvel vs. Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds, Bulletstorm and NBA 2K11.



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Video game players finally bought enough games in February to push the monthly sales numbers above year-ago figures, with February sales coming in 3 percent above a year ago.

Total sales of game hardware, PC games, console games, and portables rose 3 percent to $1.36 billion from $1.33 billion a year ago, according to market researcher NPD. The report is encouraging since many months have been negative compared to year ago numbers.

Software sales (console and portable games sold in stores) were still weak in the month, with sales down 5 percent to $601.4 million from $633.6 million a year ago. Hardware sales, on the other hand, were healthy. And accessory sales were up thanks to sales of Microsoft’s Kinect motion-sensing system

Overall, video games as a whole were down 6 percent in 2010. But the game industry has many growing niches, including social network games, mobile games, browser-based online games, used games, game rentals, and free-to-play games on a variety of platforms.

 NPD said U.S. retail game hardware sales were up 10 percent to $466.9 million from $426.4 million a year ago. Game software sales also fell 5 percent in January. Accessories were up 22 percent to $256.9 million from $210.0 million a year earlier, largely because of sales of Microsoft’s Kinect motion-sensing accessory for the Xbox 360, as well as Sony’s PlayStation Move wand-like controller.

The No. 1 title on all platforms was once again Call of Duty Black Ops, the hot-selling combat game from Activision Blizzard which debuted in November. Black Ops was also No. 1 in January, continuing a long streak.

No. 2 was Capcom’s Marvel vs. Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds, for the Xbox 360 and PS 3. Ubisoft’s Just Dance 2 for the Wii was No. 3, showing that music games aren’t dead but the trend is moving from faux guitar games to dance games. Take-Two Interactive’s NBA 2K11 was No. 4, and Electronic Arts’ Dead Space 2 was No. 5.

One of the new games that sold well, but not spectacularly, was Sony’s Killzone 3, pictured above. It came in at No. 8. Bulletstorm, also from EA, debuted this month at No. 7.



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Sales of video game hardware in February propelled industry sales to a surprising improvement over last year, according to The NPD Group's monthly sales data.

Most analysts expected a decline in sales of games and console systems. Software sales did fall 5% below sales in February 2010 -- still a slightly better performance than expected. But all the three console systems saw increased sales.

"Within the video games industry, the console segment of the market was up 12% in dollar sales across hardware, software, accessories, and game cards while the portable segment of the market declined versus February 2010 by 27%," says NPD's Anita Frazier. "We are looking for the portable segment of the market to rebound beginning later this month when the highly anticipated 3DS launches in the U.S. on March 27th. Seven days of sales will be included when we release our March sales results on April 14th."

And Call of Duty: Black Ops became the best-selling game in history, topping Wii Play, Frazier says.

"The best-selling hardware system of the month was the Xbox 360 which had its biggest non-holiday (November/December) sales month ever, surpassing September 2007 when Halo 3 launched.," Frazier says. "The 250 GB system bundled with the Kinect sensor was one of the drivers of the increase in average selling price among console hardware."

All three console systems realized a unit sales increase over last February and a unit sales increase over January 2011, NPD says.

Breaking down the console growth, the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 up about 25% in sales (dollar value) and the Wii up 15%, compared to last year, says Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter.

Total industry sales rose 3% to $1.36 billion, compared to $1.33 billion in February 2010. Sales of video game hardware rose 10% ($467 million vs. $426 million), while software dropped ($601 million vs. $634 million). Video game accessories continued to rise, thanks to Microsoft's Kinect and Sony's PlayStation Move products ($257 million vs. $210 million).

"The big surprise to me is that hardware ticked up," Pachter says. "Maybe the recession really is over. People don't buy software because there is money burning a hole in their pocket. But they actually would buy hardware. Most recent jobs data show a slight uptick in jobs. Maybe consumer confidence is coming back. ... It has to be either that there's a change in NPD methodology or it is a reasonable signal that consumer confidence is back."


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While Sony was reluctant to hand out the hardware data, Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter passed along the NPD data for the PS3 console: it sold 403,000 units for the month of February. That's up 12% year-over-year but it's still not as good as Xbox 360's 535,000 (27% bump) or Wii's 454,000 (14% rise). Additionally, the PlayStation Move continues to be outsold by Kinect it would seem.

"Under one-fifth of PS3 sales included bundles with Sony’s Move controller, suggesting another modest month (we have chosen not to subscribe to peripheral data). Over 2/3 of Xbox 360 sales included bundles with Microsoft’s Kinect peripheral, as Xbox 360 Kinect console bundles again outsold PS3 Move console bundles by over 5:1," commented Pachter. "We note that the top selling Kinect software titles easily outsold their Move counterparts."

Pachter also reiterated that price cuts are likely forthcoming but that for now 360 and Kinect have the momentum.

"We expect demand for the Xbox 360 to remain stronger than the other consoles due to the popularity of Kinect. We expect Wii and PS3 hardware sales to continue to decline (despite February’s up month for both) in the first part of 2011," he said. "Without further price cuts, we expect hardware sales to be down in 2011, and we think that the console manufacturers will position cuts around the E3 Expo in early June."
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: archie4208 on March 10, 2011, 06:48:54 PM
Where is LBP2 and why is Killzone 3 so low?  ???
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2011, 06:50:04 PM
why is Killzone 3 so low?  ???

:lol


The fanboys moved on.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Bocsius on March 10, 2011, 06:52:34 PM
Xbox is Kinecting with the people, PS3 fails to Move.


OK, that was bad.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 10, 2011, 07:00:43 PM
MvC3 numbers better be good.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=26412763&postcount=86 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=26412763&postcount=86)

:rofl

Damn, evilore doesn't even create the NPD threads anymore.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Purple Filth on March 10, 2011, 07:01:42 PM
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The fanboys moved on.


"wait for Killzone 4. No one expected Killzone 3 to sell (except for Xbots so the could act all surprised when it didn't sell to their "expectations" lol). It's only really a map pack so no one cared. A lot of people are waiting for the NGP version as well"

... how did i do, Sfugs?




new Guerilla IP baby!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: maxy on March 10, 2011, 07:04:04 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/theNoid/kudodeal.jpg)

hmm
if the order theory is correct
MVC3(360)>MVC3(PS3)
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 10, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
"And Call of Duty: Black Ops became the best-selling game in history, topping Wii Play, Frazier says."

:dizzy
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: iconoclast on March 10, 2011, 07:09:12 PM
Call of Duty is everywhere, but it is easy to resist. Call of Duty is McDonald's.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I stole that quote from Rob :shh
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Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 10, 2011, 07:11:49 PM
Rabid BLOPS PS3 owners must be pretty pissed that the best selling game on the console is what they condescendingly deemed as broken as shit lol.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: maxy on March 10, 2011, 07:15:52 PM
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Wii Tops 35 Million in Sales as Multiple Games Hit Major Milestones

Nintendo’s Wii™ console has crossed the 35 million sales mark in the United States, according to the NPD Group. More than 454,000 Wii consoles sold in February to put Wii across the 35 million mark faster than any other console in U.S. history.

February proved to be a notable month for Nintendo software as well. Not only was Just Dance 2 from Ubisoft the No. 1 best-selling game of the month with more than 554,000 sold, but four Nintendo games reached new sales milestones. Donkey Kong Country™ Returns for the Wii console, which launched in November 2010, crossed the 2 million mark in February, while New Super Mario Bros.™ Wii, which launched in November 2009, just crossed the 8 million sales mark.

On the portable side, the Pokémon™ SoulSilver Version game for the Nintendo DS™ family of systems launched in March 2010 and crossed the 2 million sales mark in February, while the New Super Mario Bros. game, which launched in May 2006, just passed 9 million in sales. These milestones further demonstrate the “evergreen” nature of games that play on Nintendo systems.

Nintendo empire strikes back

haters :piss2
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: The Sceneman on March 10, 2011, 07:17:41 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=26412763&postcount=86 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=26412763&postcount=86)

:rofl
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Oblivion on March 10, 2011, 07:20:03 PM
(http://somewhatmanlynerd.com/gifs/spritebj.gif)



Wtf @ Call of Duty. Holy shit. It's not even a REAL Call of Duty is it?

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February proved to be a notable month for Nintendo software as well. Not only was Just Dance 2 from Ubisoft the No. 1 best-selling game of the month with more than 554,000 sold, but four Nintendo games reached new sales milestones. Donkey Kong Country™ Returns for the Wii console, which launched in November 2010, crossed the 2 million mark in February, while New Super Mario Bros.™ Wii, which launched in November 2009, just crossed the 8 million sales mark.

Woo! NSMB: Wii may not be uber awesome, but it's good enough to warrant those sales.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Third on March 10, 2011, 07:21:15 PM
Weird generation. The consoles that have the worst games seem to sell the best. First it was the Wii, not it's the x360.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2011, 07:23:04 PM
Weird generation. The consoles that have the worst games seem to sell the best. First it was the Wii, not it's the x360.

Yep. The 360 does not have the worst games.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: iconoclast on March 10, 2011, 07:24:25 PM
Weird generation. The consoles that have the worst games seem to sell the best. First it was the Wii, not it's the x360.

It's the casual uprising this gen that's causing all of this.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Oblivion on March 10, 2011, 07:27:00 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=26413388&postcount=256

ruffle
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Third on March 10, 2011, 07:29:19 PM
Even the Wii has had better games than the X360 during the last couple of months.

And Killzone fucking sucks. But it's still better than any Kinect game. Don't understand how grown men can play that shit.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Bebpo on March 10, 2011, 07:32:38 PM
What the hell is zumba fitness
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2011, 07:35:06 PM
Even the Wii has had better games than the X360 during the last couple of months.

And Killzone fucking sucks. But it's still better than any Kinect game. Don't understand how grown men can play that shit.

I love how whenever the 360 kills it on sales the argument automatically deflects to this.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: maxy on March 10, 2011, 07:37:48 PM
Even the Wii has had better games than the X360 during the last couple of months.

And Killzone fucking sucks. But it's still better than any Kinect game. Don't understand how grown men can play that shit.

little hint,just look at publishers...third party is dominating
(http://media.industrygamers.com/editorial/2011/03/npdfeb11chart.png)

in short
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/theNoid/kudodeal.jpg)
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Third on March 10, 2011, 07:39:14 PM
Even the Wii has had better games than the X360 during the last couple of months.

And Killzone fucking sucks. But it's still better than any Kinect game. Don't understand how grown men can play that shit.

I love how whenever the 360 kills it on sales the argument automatically deflects to this.

What argument? That the X360 has been sucking ass in the last few months?
Who cares that it sells well. The Wii sold even more at one time. I don't think any of us were rooting over Wii's success.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2011, 07:42:03 PM
Even the Wii has had better games than the X360 during the last couple of months.

And Killzone fucking sucks. But it's still better than any Kinect game. Don't understand how grown men can play that shit.

I love how whenever the 360 kills it on sales the argument automatically deflects to this.

What argument? That the X360 has been sucking ass in the last few months?
Who cares that it sells well. The Wii sold even more at one time. I don't think any of us were rooting then.

I don't "root" one one or the other. This is a sales thread. When I talk games. I talk games. When I talk sales I talk sales. Sales is about making and putting out what the masses want. And the sales either reflect that or they don't.  I don't bemoan that casual games sell or that certain consoles sell more or less than others. I do like fucking with people who are very invested in their console of choice "winning".
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Third on March 10, 2011, 07:42:54 PM
How many times are you going to quote me?

But yeah, all three consoles have been sucking lately.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2011, 07:43:51 PM
How many times are you going to quote me?

Everytime you say something dumb. Prove me wrong.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Third on March 10, 2011, 07:45:36 PM
Even the Wii has had better games than the X360 during the last couple of months.

And Killzone fucking sucks. But it's still better than any Kinect game. Don't understand how grown men can play that shit.

I love how whenever the 360 kills it on sales the argument automatically deflects to this.

What argument? That the X360 has been sucking ass in the last few months?
Who cares that it sells well. The Wii sold even more at one time. I don't think any of us were rooting then.

I don't "root" one one or the other. This is a sales thread. When I talk games. I talk games. When I talk sales I talk sales. Sales is about making and putting out what the masses want. And the sales either reflect that or they don't.  I don't bemoan that casual games sell or that certain consoles sell more or less than others. I do like fucking with people who are very invested in their console of choice "winning".

So you like to fuck yourself?

And that post was meant for DCharlie. Wasn't talking to you.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2011, 07:47:46 PM
So you like to fuck yourself?

I post in nearly every npd thread ever since I been on GAF. Whether the 360 does well or the Ps3 does well or the Wii does well. Unlike you though I don't try to spin it. The numbers are the numbers.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: iconoclast on March 10, 2011, 07:49:54 PM
As far as retail games go, the 360 has been sucking ass for more than the last few months. A little over two years sounds about right.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: maxy on March 10, 2011, 08:08:58 PM
^^
Tears?
More like rivers,although PSP2 is giving them hope,things might get interesting when it launches.

Retail vs DD
 :hyper




Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2011, 08:12:12 PM
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Marvel vs Capcom 3 -- 790.2K
Bulletstorm -- 285.6K
Killzone 3 -- 279.9K
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Oblivion on March 10, 2011, 08:14:26 PM
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Marvel vs Capcom 3 -- 790.2K

Not bad. Not bad at all.

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Killzone 3 -- 279.9K

LOL!

It's okay though. The European sales will make up for the North American shortfall!
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Third on March 10, 2011, 08:17:08 PM
Killzone 3 did worse than the previous game? Good news. Such a horrible franchise. I hope this will be the last one. Use the technology for better games please.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Purple Filth on March 10, 2011, 08:17:12 PM
I *am* rather enjoying watching the Xfags turn into the Nfags of a few years ago and watching the Nfags thrash around trying to use the same arguments that were used against them.  Most of all I enjoy the Sfag tears though.  I don't think that will ever change. 

are you saying this as a SEGA fan  :P
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Purple Filth on March 10, 2011, 08:22:17 PM
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Marvel vs Capcom 3 -- 790.2K
Bulletstorm -- 285.6K
Killzone 3 -- 279.9K

ouch at KZ3 and Bulletstorm.

its Mahvel baby.


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Marvel vs Capcom 3 -- 790.2K
Bulletstorm -- 285.6K
Killzone 3 -- 279.9K

That's pretty good for Bulletstorm, I think. I totally expected it to bomb horribly.

Not really for a multiplat plus Gears 3 beta packed in.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 10, 2011, 08:23:42 PM
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Marvel vs Capcom 3 -- 790.2K
Bulletstorm -- 285.6K
Killzone 3 -- 279.9K

:bow
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2011, 08:25:37 PM
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Marvel vs Capcom 3 -- 790.2K
Bulletstorm -- 285.6K
Killzone 3 -- 279.9K

That's pretty good for Bulletstorm, I think. I totally expected it to bomb horribly.

I guess if you throw in europe numbers bulletstorm will do "decently" but the problem is that game ain't gonna sell any more copies. It has no mp to speak of. And nobody on my friend's list plays it anymore. I really liked it though so hopefully that's enough sales for them to try another one.

One of the more interesting trends in recent years is the resurge in Capcom fighting games. That genre seemed to be heavily on the decline for the last decade or so but capcom fighting games are on the upsurge. I'm curious to see if that trend will carry over to Mortal Kombat. Interesting development though especially to an outsider who doesn't really have any interest in fighting games anymore.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 10, 2011, 08:27:02 PM
I completely lowballed mvsc3.  Figured it wouldn't break 500k but I guess people still love their marvel.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: maxy on March 10, 2011, 08:29:58 PM
Weren't the European numbers similarly disappointing?

Lower than Killzone 2 in UK

It debuted in UK at about 60k,second week drop was about 60%
Bulletstorm was close
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 10, 2011, 08:38:56 PM
How does MvC3 numbers compare to SFIV's?
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Purple Filth on March 10, 2011, 08:40:31 PM
How does MvC3 numbers compare to SFIV's?

its lower.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/90327-NPD-Nintendo-SFIV-Shine-In-Feb-Sales

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446k copies on the 360 and 403k copies on the PS3
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: iconoclast on March 10, 2011, 08:42:09 PM
Street Fighter IV* (360) 446K
Street Fighter IV* (PS3) 403K

the better game wins.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: chronovore on March 10, 2011, 08:44:17 PM
Even the Wii has had better games than the X360 during the last couple of months.

And Killzone fucking sucks. But it's still better than any Kinect game. Don't understand how grown men can play that shit.

I love how whenever the 360 kills it on sales the argument automatically deflects to this.

What argument? That the X360 has been sucking ass in the last few months?
Who cares that it sells well. The Wii sold even more at one time. I don't think any of us were rooting then.

I don't "root" one one or the other. This is a sales thread. When I talk games. I talk games. When I talk sales I talk sales. Sales is about making and putting out what the masses want. And the sales either reflect that or they don't.  I don't bemoan that casual games sell or that certain consoles sell more or less than others. I do like fucking with people who are very invested in their console of choice "winning".

So you like to fuck yourself?

And that post was meant for DCharlie. Wasn't talking to you.

In this thread, you have managed to take sales numbers personally. This is what happens when you name yourself after your favorite console's ranking.

If you're going to argue, and argue poorly, don't be stunned when someone calls you on it.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 10, 2011, 08:45:38 PM
I thought MK games always fared better than any other fighter sales-wise. Isn't it like the highest selling fighter? I remember MK vs. DC pulling respectable numbers.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: maxy on March 10, 2011, 08:47:35 PM
Bulletstorm,UK data
360(81%)
PS3(15%)
PC(3%)

It would be interesting to see NPD data
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Purple Filth on March 10, 2011, 09:00:13 PM
Yeah, Mortal Kombat always sells really well.  The numbers hardcore fighting enthusiasts high five and tearfully hug each other for Street Fighter reaching are reached fairly effortlessly by any MK game.  I doubt it's going to be any different this time.



I think its gonna do good since its "american" imo
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: maxy on March 10, 2011, 09:08:41 PM
Sony PR
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NPD’s February numbers illustrate continued growth of the entire PlayStation 3 ecosystem, including increases in hardware, software and peripheral sales. PlayStation’s exclusive titles, combined with stereoscopic 3D and precision motion controlled gaming, continue to resonate with consumers, and we look forward to furthering the momentum with MotorStorm Apocalypse and SOCOM 4 next month.
-- Patrick Seybold, Sr. Director of Corporate Communications at SCEA




Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 10, 2011, 09:12:03 PM
Playstation ecosystem is a desert.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 10, 2011, 09:50:20 PM
LOL @ Third's meltdown

Sorry, fanboy, but real gamers care about quality not exclusivity.  :patel


Honestly though, Killzone 3 is probably in 1st place if all the bundled sales are counted as well. 
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Himu on March 10, 2011, 10:03:18 PM
8.) Killzone 3 (Sony: PS3) - 279.9K

:rofl
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Himu on March 10, 2011, 10:04:37 PM
Street Fighter IV* (360) 446K
Street Fighter IV* (PS3) 403K

the better game wins.

shut the fuck up already
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 10, 2011, 10:04:43 PM
Don't understand how grown men can play that shit.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Himu on March 10, 2011, 10:07:22 PM
How did Tactics Ogre do? :( GOTY :(
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Purple Filth on March 10, 2011, 10:10:20 PM
How did Tactics Ogre do? :( GOTY :(

its a PSP game in America...
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Himu on March 10, 2011, 10:10:58 PM
:( :( :( :(

whoever didn't buy that game is a taco.

BAN MAGUS.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 10, 2011, 10:12:00 PM
How did Tactics Ogre do? :( GOTY :(

probably 100,000 seeding and 10x more leeching
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Himu on March 10, 2011, 10:12:48 PM
BAN MAGUS
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Damian79 on March 10, 2011, 10:13:24 PM
Did Radiant Historia bomb too?
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: iconoclast on March 10, 2011, 10:24:32 PM
shut the fuck up already

 :lol u mad.

 MvC3 is a disappointment. Hopefully since it sold well, Capcom will work to make it better.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Himu on March 10, 2011, 10:33:42 PM
shut the fuck up already

 :lol u mad.

 MvC3 is a disappointment. Hopefully since it sold well, Capcom will work to make it better.

Sounds like more wah wah to me
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Bebpo on March 10, 2011, 10:47:24 PM
Throw in that this by extension means that the Wii also shat on the PS3 too - given the game line ups are pretty much identical save for worse graphics, LBP2 (other than Bebpo who cares?) and Killzone 3 (which you say fucking sucks)


 :wag
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Bebpo on March 10, 2011, 10:50:17 PM
MvC3 numbers are good, means SMvC3 should be a definite next year :rock
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: tiesto on March 10, 2011, 11:02:07 PM
Any DQ6 sales data? DQ9 did OK in the states and I was wondering if that continued somewhat.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: iconoclast on March 10, 2011, 11:02:35 PM
Sounds like more wah wah to me

Not really. There's an amazing game underneath all the crap in MvC3, Capcom just needs to sort it out.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Himu on March 10, 2011, 11:10:22 PM
I want another Capcom vs SNK :(
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 10, 2011, 11:13:06 PM
Seems good for DS2, bad for Bulletstorm, and worse for KZ3
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Robo on March 10, 2011, 11:21:56 PM
MvC3 was a bit of a disappointment as a package -- the online comes off as an afterthought and I have yet to play a round as smooth as an average SSF4 match.  Otherwise, the game itself is very good for the most part.  Let's not forget SF4 wasn't exactly solid gold out of the box, either.

real talk: scrubby Sentinel cheese and overpowered X-factor > god tier Sagat and Ryu and hit-trade DP into Ultra shenanigans
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2011, 12:23:52 AM
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This is what happens when you name yourself after your favorite console's ranking.

:lol
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Raban on March 11, 2011, 12:46:37 AM
Man, when did the NPD start being so good?
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 11, 2011, 01:27:05 AM
Man, when did the NPD start being so good?

Wait till next month when Crysis 2 tanks.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Raban on March 11, 2011, 01:28:58 AM
Again, so good.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on March 11, 2011, 01:33:18 AM
Killzone 3 is the best sellign exclusive that month how ist hat a bad thing?


Oh wait anything except number one is a bad thing in xbot land.

Who wuldve thunk it  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: cool breeze on March 11, 2011, 01:40:03 AM
Man, when did the NPD start being so good?

Wait till next month when Crysis 2 tanks.

And Nintendo Dogs and Cats 3DS tops the list

I mean right under Pokemon :poop
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Raban on March 11, 2011, 01:44:56 AM
Man, when did the NPD start being so good?

Wait till next month when Crysis 2 tanks.

And Nintendo Dogs and Cats 3DS tops the list

I mean right under Pokemon :poop

:fbm
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: iconoclast on March 11, 2011, 01:59:48 AM
Killzone 3 is the best sellign exclusive that month how ist hat a bad thing?

No it's not. Just Dance 2 is the best selling exclusive.

 :fbm
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on March 11, 2011, 02:14:03 AM
just cause 2 isnt exclusive its coming on other systems
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: SantaC on March 11, 2011, 03:25:16 AM
just cause 2 isnt exclusive its coming on other systems

Just Cause 2 is already out on all systems.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2011, 03:25:31 AM
Killzone 3 is the best sellign exclusive that month how ist hat a bad thing?


 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: maxy on March 11, 2011, 03:30:04 AM
Quote
Below is the latest, best-selling list of video games in the U.S. to date as provided by NPD:

1. Call of Duty: Black Ops
2. Wii Play W/ Remote
3. Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
4. Guitar Hero III Legends Of Rock
5. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
6. Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
7. Mario Kart w/ Wheel
8. New Super Mario Bros
9. Wii Fit
10. Call Of Duty: World At War

Note: NPD has only begun tracking video games sales since the late 90s. NPD does not track digital game sales.

Same chart

Quote
1. Activision
2. Nintendo W/ Remote
3. Activision
4. Activision
5. Take 2
6. Activision
7. Nintendo w/ Wheel
8. Nintendo
9. Nintendo
10. Activision
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: WrikaWrek on March 11, 2011, 06:33:34 AM
That's all right sony bitches, the ecosystem is safe.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: magus on March 11, 2011, 07:21:47 AM
BAN MAGUS

wha? what did i do?

How did Tactics Ogre do? :( GOTY :(

probably 100,000 seeding and 10x more leeching

oh....... LOOK OVER THERE!
*makes a run for it*
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: maxy on March 11, 2011, 09:51:04 AM
Pachter strikes again

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While Sony was reluctant to hand out the hardware data, Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter passed along the NPD data for the PS3 console: it sold 403,000 units for the month of February. That's up 12% year-over-year but it's still not as good as Xbox 360's 535,000 (27% bump) or Wii's 454,000 (14% rise). Additionally, the PlayStation Move continues to be outsold by Kinect it would seem.

"Under one-fifth of PS3 sales included bundles with Sony’s Move controller, suggesting another modest month (we have chosen not to subscribe to peripheral data). Over 2/3 of Xbox 360 sales included bundles with Microsoft’s Kinect peripheral, as Xbox 360 Kinect console bundles again outsold PS3 Move console bundles by over 5:1," commented Pachter. "We note that the top selling Kinect software titles easily outsold their Move counterparts."

Pachter also reiterated that price cuts are likely forthcoming but that for now 360 and Kinect have the momentum.

"We expect demand for the Xbox 360 to remain stronger than the other consoles due to the popularity of Kinect. We expect Wii and PS3 hardware sales to continue to decline (despite February’s up month for both) in the first part of 2011," he said. "Without further price cuts, we expect hardware sales to be down in 2011, and we think that the console manufacturers will position cuts around the E3 Expo in early June."

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/kinect-bundles-outsold-ps3-move-bundles-51-in-february/ (http://www.industrygamers.com/news/kinect-bundles-outsold-ps3-move-bundles-51-in-february/)
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Purple Filth on March 11, 2011, 10:41:56 AM
Pachter strikes again

Quote
While Sony was reluctant to hand out the hardware data, Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter passed along the NPD data for the PS3 console: it sold 403,000 units for the month of February. That's up 12% year-over-year but it's still not as good as Xbox 360's 535,000 (27% bump) or Wii's 454,000 (14% rise). Additionally, the PlayStation Move continues to be outsold by Kinect it would seem.

"Under one-fifth of PS3 sales included bundles with Sony’s Move controller, suggesting another modest month (we have chosen not to subscribe to peripheral data). Over 2/3 of Xbox 360 sales included bundles with Microsoft’s Kinect peripheral, as Xbox 360 Kinect console bundles again outsold PS3 Move console bundles by over 5:1," commented Pachter. "We note that the top selling Kinect software titles easily outsold their Move counterparts."

Pachter also reiterated that price cuts are likely forthcoming but that for now 360 and Kinect have the momentum.

"We expect demand for the Xbox 360 to remain stronger than the other consoles due to the popularity of Kinect. We expect Wii and PS3 hardware sales to continue to decline (despite February’s up month for both) in the first part of 2011," he said. "Without further price cuts, we expect hardware sales to be down in 2011, and we think that the console manufacturers will position cuts around the E3 Expo in early June."

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/kinect-bundles-outsold-ps3-move-bundles-51-in-february/ (http://www.industrygamers.com/news/kinect-bundles-outsold-ps3-move-bundles-51-in-february/)

403k isn't bad but they didin't come out on top so no news.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: maxy on March 11, 2011, 11:01:59 AM
(http://i.min.us/imi2nY.jpg)
 :rofl

take that xbots

desert picture is pure gold :lol

Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 11, 2011, 11:07:25 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 11, 2011, 11:28:16 AM
:lol

ps3 really is worth owning now, though

and i have to say sony's really doing some neat, inventive stuff with their in-house games

they just can't seem to shake that stench of failure from the first few years, i guess
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 11, 2011, 11:35:02 AM
But according to NPD nobody even bothered with any of those games. The average PS3 user is absolutely oblivious to first party efforts.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Himu on March 11, 2011, 11:39:11 AM
:bow SONY

*will ignore all of those games except yak 4, last guardian, and uncharted 3*
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: cool breeze on March 11, 2011, 11:39:14 AM
Bangai-O Spirits -- Xbox 360 exclusive :bow2

XBLA is getting some cool games like that, Retro City Rampage, and a few others.  Nothing really going on with retail games but they'll announce stuff eventually, even if it will be a lot of Kinect trash.

Hey, at least 360 that list it is still topping the Wii.  Skyward Sword and, um, Conduit 2?
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I'd take Skyward Sword over everything listed expect for Infamous 2 and The Last Guardian  :dur
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Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 11, 2011, 11:39:47 AM
But according to NPD nobody even bothered with any of those games. The average PS3 user is absolutely oblivious to first party efforts.


yeah, true

dunno what they can do to overcome that kind of apathy
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Himu on March 11, 2011, 11:45:42 AM
As much shit as people give to Microsoft exclusives, does Sony have a franchise that sells as much as Gears or Halo?

They used to.  :teehee
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Purple Filth on March 11, 2011, 11:46:16 AM
As much shit as people give to Microsoft exclusives, does Sony have a franchise that sells as much as Gears or Halo?

GT.

But giving how thats a racing game and its current outing, yea....


The "ps3 has no games" meme in the eariler days really did a number imo
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: maxy on March 11, 2011, 11:48:09 AM
As much shit as people give to Microsoft exclusives, does Sony have a franchise that sells as much as Gears or Halo?

In US,no.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on March 11, 2011, 11:49:34 AM
wow way to miss the point xbots. Ig uess a game cant be good unless it sells 1 million copies fucking idiots

xbots spinning shit whoduve thunk it  ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: maxy on March 11, 2011, 11:52:09 AM
wow way to miss the point xbots. Ig uess a game cant be good unless it sells 1 million copies fucking idiots

xbots spinning shit whoduve thunk it  ::) ::) ::) ::)

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Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Himu on March 11, 2011, 11:57:22 AM
wow way to miss the point xbots. Ig uess a game cant be good unless it sells 1 million copies fucking idiots

xbots spinning shit whoduve thunk it  ::) ::) ::) ::)

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Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 11, 2011, 12:13:06 PM
Sales talk in a sales thread

whoduve thunk it
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Raban on March 11, 2011, 12:24:56 PM
[/img]http://i.min.us/imi2nY.jpg[/img]
 :rofl

take that xbots

desert picture is pure gold :lol



As soon as I started reading this the taste of bitter tears arrived on my tongue.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 11, 2011, 12:29:39 PM
*will ignore all of those games except infamous 2, last guardian, and uncharted 3*

Already bought RGG4, so that's it for me.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 11, 2011, 01:01:26 PM
But according to NPD nobody even bothered with any of those games. The average PS3 user is absolutely oblivious to first party efforts.


yeah, true

dunno what they can do to overcome that kind of apathy


Stop making sequels to franchisers that people don't give a crap about?  Looking at how many sequels some of those IPs are getting, (Ratchet 4 :rofl), you'd think they sell as well as COD, and sfags criticize Nintendo for milking. 
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on March 11, 2011, 01:06:07 PM
xbots have to rely on sales numbers because they dont have ANY games to play that are exclusive  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol


(http://i.imgur.com/Jd6Lg.gif)
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 11, 2011, 01:11:56 PM
sfags have to rely on exclusivity because the PS3 sucks at running better multiplatform games.  :smug
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 11, 2011, 01:13:00 PM
What was the last exclusive you bought Mud? iirc, you're part of the problem. Stop driving Sony out of business.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on March 11, 2011, 01:14:13 PM
:rofl Sfags still thinking exclusives mean anything when multiplatform games are the best quality and best selling on 360.

Ergo, Multiplat may as well be exclusive to 360.

Problem?

xbots using backwards logic whudve thunkit  ::) ::) ::)



i havent bought a console game in forever the last one i bought was You Dont Know Jack/Marvel vs capcom3 for 360 otherwise i buy pc gamez. the last exclusive i bought was prob the kinect which i sold a week later
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 11, 2011, 01:16:07 PM
Damn, I'm more loyal to the Sony brand than you are *shudder*
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: demi on March 11, 2011, 01:19:27 PM
:rofl Sfags still thinking exclusives mean anything when multiplatform games are the best quality and best selling on 360.

Ergo, Multiplat may as well be exclusive to 360.

Problem?

xbots using backwards logic whudve thunkit  ::) ::) ::)



i havent bought a console game in forever the last one i bought was You Dont Know Jack/Marvel vs capcom3 for 360 otherwise i buy pc gamez. the last exclusive i bought was prob the kinect which i sold a week later

So... why do you care. :lol

What a loooooooooooooooser
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Himu on March 11, 2011, 01:25:22 PM
Damn, I'm more loyal to the Sony brand than you are *shudder*

ditto.

high five
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 11, 2011, 01:27:47 PM
For all the shit that Methodis talks, he's still a true gamer.  Even he realizes that PS3 exclusives aren't worth buying. 
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Raban on March 11, 2011, 01:31:24 PM
For all the shit that Methodis talks, he's still a true gamer.  Even he realizes that PS3 exclusives aren't worth buying. 

:bow
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 11, 2011, 01:43:59 PM
Ice cold.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Himu on March 11, 2011, 01:52:26 PM
For all the shit that Methodis talks, he's still a true gamer.  Even he realizes that PS3 exclusives aren't worth buying. 

:rofl
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Mupepe on March 11, 2011, 02:17:06 PM
Twisted Metal and Uncharted 3 are the only PS3 games I'll buy in 2011.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Mupepe on March 11, 2011, 02:24:54 PM
I'm easy to please as a gamer.  I enjoy almost anything.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Mupepe on March 11, 2011, 02:37:25 PM
:(
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: tiesto on March 11, 2011, 02:39:20 PM
Twisted Metal and Uncharted 3 are the only PS3 games I'll buy in 2011.

Ar Tonelico Qoga for me :uguu

And of course Last Guardian if it even comes out this year.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: magus on March 11, 2011, 03:21:03 PM
you are a good man tiesto
enjoy the loli rpg for me too :'(
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 11, 2011, 05:14:12 PM
xbots have to rely on sales numbers because they dont have ANY games to play that are exclusive  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol


(http://i.imgur.com/Jd6Lg.gif)

fucking awesome gif
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Third on March 11, 2011, 07:20:48 PM
Already own LBP2. Definitely getting Motorstorm, Infamous 2, The Last Guardian and Uncharted 3.

For all the shit that Methodis talks, he's still a true gamer.  Even he realizes that PS3 exclusives aren't worth buying. 

Quality games that sell less are usually bought by true gamers. The mass consumer buys crap like Call of Duty, Just Dance or Red Dead Redemption.

 
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 11, 2011, 09:52:14 PM
Sony will never overcome the apathy.  Sony lost when gamers chose the 360 as their multiplatform console of choice.  Some random dude will go to the store and buy a 360 over a PS3 because most of his friends own a 360 so he can have someone to play the latest dudebro game or the latest Madden.

Although I LOL at Sfags downplaying Killzone 3 potential.  It's a nice looking game so unless a lot of assets were reused, Sony probably spent tens of millions of dollars making the game along with tens of millions of dollars spent on those dumbass Kevin Butler ads.  Sony probably spent over $100 million on Failzone 2 and 3, so unlike Kagari, I think Sony expected it to be a cornerstone FPS franchise and a viable alternative to Halo and Gears.  I bet Killzone 3 was too far ahead to just shitcan when Killzone 2 bombed, which might be why it wound up getting made.  If we see a Killzone 4 that isn't on the NGP, I'd be really surprised.

The Real Year of the PS3 limps along :fbm
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 11, 2011, 10:13:01 PM
Most every big-budget game these days is a sequel/remake/spinoff and any game that isn't [and proves successful] gets sequel-spammed as soon as possible [See: Dragon Age, Mass Effect].
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Damian79 on March 11, 2011, 11:07:49 PM
"(insert creative medium) has become too derivative and fresh, original ideas are shunted."

Now apply that to pretty much every generation ever.



No, just NO.  Look at MMO's for example, they are all kill 10 things to kill 10 harder things.  SWTOR was going to be different until the lead or whatever you call him said WoW is a "touchstone" and made SWTOR a WoW clone or its doomed to fail.  Expect more of that shit to happen.  NES devs had no such issue.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: pilonv1 on March 11, 2011, 11:19:00 PM
(http://i.min.us/imi2nY.jpg)
 :rofl

take that xbots

desert picture is pure gold :lol



:rofl where is that pic from
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: iconoclast on March 11, 2011, 11:55:59 PM
That image is biased. They conveniently forgot to include the biggest blockbuster 360 exclusive of the year: Gun Loco.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Damian79 on March 12, 2011, 12:46:50 AM
All NES games were completely original? Please.

You guys are starting to sound like GAF members.

This is the generation where originality is flourishing because of the indie uprising, and you're still complaining.

I never said all were, rather most were.  What game is out now that is like Adventure of Lolo?  Each game on the NES was fairly original.  What game on the NES was the same as another that wasnt a sequel to a game?
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Damian79 on March 12, 2011, 01:19:54 AM
Holy shit.  I have never heard of that game.  Any other megaman clones?
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 12, 2011, 01:36:31 AM
What game on the NES was the same as another that wasnt a sequel to a game?

[youtube=560,345]21M1AQq1HRs[/youtube]
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 12, 2011, 09:24:52 AM
All NES games were completely original? Please.

You guys are starting to sound like GAF members.

This is the generation where originality is flourishing because of the indie uprising, and you're still complaining.

I never said all were, rather most were.  What game is out now that is like Adventure of Lolo?  Each game on the NES was fairly original.  What game on the NES was the same as another that wasnt a sequel to a game?


Battle of Olympus? Final Fantasy?
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 12, 2011, 11:25:51 AM
What the hell happened in the last two pages.  I think if anything has been made obvious this gen is that the unbiased platform agnostic barely exists anymore.  I at least had the sense to admit I'm biased as hell. 
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: TEEEPO on March 12, 2011, 12:04:50 PM
All NES games were completely original? Please.

You guys are starting to sound like GAF members.

This is the generation where originality is flourishing because of the indie uprising, and you're still complaining.

I never said all were, rather most were.  What game is out now that is like Adventure of Lolo?  Each game on the NES was fairly original.  What game on the NES was the same as another that wasnt a sequel to a game?

so originality just constitutes a new fresh coat of paint and has nothing to do with actual game design?

ok...
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Damian79 on March 12, 2011, 12:13:25 PM
I actually meant in terms of game design but whatever.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: TEEEPO on March 12, 2011, 01:44:55 PM
please elaborate.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 12, 2011, 05:08:02 PM
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While Sony was reluctant to hand out the hardware data, Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter passed along the NPD data for the PS3 console: it sold 403,000 units for the month of February. That's up 12% year-over-year but it's still not as good as Xbox 360's 535,000 (27% bump) or Wii's 454,000 (14% rise). Additionally, the PlayStation Move continues to be outsold by Kinect it would seem.

"Under one-fifth of PS3 sales included bundles with Sony’s Move controller, suggesting another modest month (we have chosen not to subscribe to peripheral data). Over 2/3 of Xbox 360 sales included bundles with Microsoft’s Kinect peripheral, as Xbox 360 Kinect console bundles again outsold PS3 Move console bundles by over 5:1," commented Pachter. "We note that the top selling Kinect software titles easily outsold their Move counterparts."

Pachter also reiterated that price cuts are likely forthcoming but that for now 360 and Kinect have the momentum.

"We expect demand for the Xbox 360 to remain stronger than the other consoles due to the popularity of Kinect. We expect Wii and PS3 hardware sales to continue to decline (despite February’s up month for both) in the first part of 2011," he said. "Without further price cuts, we expect hardware sales to be down in 2011, and we think that the console manufacturers will position cuts around the E3 Expo in early June."
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: chronovore on March 12, 2011, 09:18:37 PM
It's hard to be unbiased when the base systems are so differently targeted. PS3 started off as a grand extension of the PS2; you could do whatever you wanted, including installing a different OS on it. The networking infrastructure was per-game, and up to the developer. You can also use it as a media box, but only separately from games.

The 360 has enabled the media stuff, as well as being consistent about user access to their own music library while playing games. They also had a standardized form of e-peen for contact networks through Achievements. But substantially more importantly, MS made the game console itself a networked, social experience with cross-game voice chat from the outset, and now Party chat and Party game invites, gathering, etc.

That image is biased. They conveniently forgot to include the biggest blockbuster 360 exclusive of the year: Gun Loco.
It's also funny to include Killzone as a positive reinforcement. By most accounts, playing KZ is the equivalent of being hit in the nose with a rolled up newspaper.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: maxy on March 13, 2011, 10:58:14 AM
Some new numbers,COD numbers doesn't include PC

Quote
Wedbush Numbers:

Call of Duty: Black Ops - 775,000

Dead Space 2 - ~311,880 (Down 31% from first month was the statement)

Zumba Fitness - 301,000

Mario Sports Mix - 200,000

Dragon Quest VI - 50,000

de Blob 2 - Much less than 75,000

uDraw - About the same as it sold in January

22 games sold over 100,000 copies (Up from 20 last year).

Kinect bundles outsold Move bundles 5:1 again.

DS2 is going nicely...

Source is Wedbush,via gaf...pdf file bellow
spoiler (click to show/hide)
http://wedbush.na.bdvision.ipreo.com/NSightWeb_v2.00/Files/GetFile.aspx?FileVersionID=23560&ieHack=.&_nsz=27kDyNvzzozOdUgCy%2bnYHQ%2f9oraSN2hzSlJxiehtOLBDPbn8yCLIGgPFEGKkCiFdRSIk%2bHXAfTJdzIoqdZFGlKv1sUyw7XXGhbia0pxDxS4l9chjs89VRJcCqys5An2ckE56dLV3J2TOtXs%2bg6fd5xcaSX1qQerrHrxY%2bTJZrVG6ITIJbUu5hiFcUz4wIDWa (http://wedbush.na.bdvision.ipreo.com/NSightWeb_v2.00/Files/GetFile.aspx?FileVersionID=23560&ieHack=.&_nsz=27kDyNvzzozOdUgCy%2bnYHQ%2f9oraSN2hzSlJxiehtOLBDPbn8yCLIGgPFEGKkCiFdRSIk%2bHXAfTJdzIoqdZFGlKv1sUyw7XXGhbia0pxDxS4l9chjs89VRJcCqys5An2ckE56dLV3J2TOtXs%2bg6fd5xcaSX1qQerrHrxY%2bTJZrVG6ITIJbUu5hiFcUz4wIDWa)
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Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Diunx on March 13, 2011, 12:39:03 PM
All NES games were completely original? Please.

You guys are starting to sound like GAF members.

This is the generation where originality is flourishing because of the indie uprising, and you're still complaining.

I never said all were, rather most were.  What game is out now that is like Adventure of Lolo?  Each game on the NES was fairly original.  What game on the NES was the same as another that wasnt a sequel to a game?

Are you by any chance slightly distinguished mentally-challenged?
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: choco parfait on March 13, 2011, 02:29:23 PM
I think if anything has been made obvious this gen is that the unbiased platform agnostic barely exists anymore.
Actually it feels more like the opposite. Fanbois will always be fanbois, but for most of us rational console gamers, each console has enough on its own to merit being a fan of it. I like the PS3 for a specific set of reasons, and I like the Xbox 360 for a completely different set of reasons. They don't actually compete with each other anymore.

The Wii is on its own though.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: chronovore on March 13, 2011, 10:23:42 PM
How weird is it to see Majesco in the top ten? Next thing you know, they'll be talking Advent Rising 2...
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2011, 01:41:43 AM
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Nobody layeths the smackdown like the Draftster.  EB needs to bring him back.   
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: iconoclast on March 14, 2011, 01:47:55 AM
Too bad about de Bomb 2. It'll probably pick up steam once the TV show for it comes out.

Hopefully Gamefly sends it to me sometime over the next 6 months. Looks like a decent game to relax with.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Damian79 on March 14, 2011, 02:17:17 AM
please elaborate.

All the games i played on the NES were quite different form each other.  Many games i found to be inspired despite being cheap. Like robo warrior for example.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtVFX3rnTJs[/youtube]

Adventures of Lolo

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UQtPowNk2Q[/youtube]


Even games like Battle of Olympus was unique in its own way.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 14, 2011, 02:32:17 AM
Dude. There were shitloads of clones and unoriginal games on the nes, and snes and all throughout gaming history. You are mis-remembering history and adding in nostalgia.

If there is less diversity in the major big time big budget titles of today that is because they are so big budget and they cost so much to make compared to the past that publishers get conservative and only greenlight titles that have mainstream appeal which is generally the titles that are already selling because its much easier to copy what is popular than create the next popular thing. That being said there is a very vibrant indie/small dev scene that flourishes on XBLA/I-devices/PSN/PC, etc.

When people make blanket complaints that there isn't a lot of diversity in the market what that tells me is that they aren't really actively looking for that diversity or that they are poor. (Or too dumb to figure out how to pirate games)
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Damian79 on March 14, 2011, 06:20:11 AM
Dude. There were shitloads of clones and unoriginal games on the nes, and snes and all throughout gaming history.
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You are mis-remembering history and adding in nostalgia.


If there is less diversity in the major big time big budget titles of today that is because they are so big budget and they cost so much to make compared to the past that publishers get conservative and only greenlight titles that have mainstream appeal which is generally the titles that are already selling because its much easier to copy what is popular than create the next popular thing. That being said there is a very vibrant indie/small dev scene that flourishes on XBLA/I-devices/PSN/PC, etc.

When people make blanket complaints that there isn't a lot of diversity in the market what that tells me is that they aren't really actively looking for that diversity or that they are poor. (Or too dumb to figure out how to pirate games)

Maybe i just didnt play the clones or something.  I honestly dont remember the clones though.  As for the indie games, i agree, especially on the i-devices but it is hard wading thorugh the 10k or so titles on it to get the good games and i guess i had defective ipod didnt help at the time i had one.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: tiesto on March 14, 2011, 09:08:45 AM
There's quite a number of great and creative indies but for every "SpaceChem" or "Knytt Stories", there's a million Bejeweled clones or twinstick shooters. But I think what Damian is talking about, and something that is unarguable, is that the creativity in big-budget HD console games is at an all-time low. While in the NES/SNES/PS1 and even the PS2 days, you'd have big-budget (for their time) games that would try something different.

And yeah we need a new Adventures of Lolo-esque game :(
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 14, 2011, 09:37:03 AM
The big budget game industry has changed and that part is never going back to the way it was most likely. It's easy to experiment when the cost of experimenting doesn't require your entire company to be shut down if it fails. The movie industry went through a similar phase in the 70's when movies like Jaws and Star Wars redefined what a blockbuster movie meant. So yes that part of the industry is different but the smaller budget scene like I mentioned is growing and will only grow in the future. That is where most of the unique content will come in the future. Things are changing. It's going to happen for the rest of our lives. 
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: TEEEPO on March 14, 2011, 10:35:28 AM
please elaborate.

All the games i played on the NES were quite different form each other.  Many games i found to be inspired despite being cheap. Like robo warrior for example.


Adventures of Lolo


Even games like Battle of Olympus was unique in its own way.

posting two titles isn't much of an elaboration.

i don't know what's worse, the fact that you're being extremely selective from the 800 or so titles released on the nes or you're using exceptions to prove a point... which is just wrong.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: TEEEPO on March 14, 2011, 10:37:20 AM
There's quite a number of great and creative indies but for every "SpaceChem" or "Knytt Stories", there's a million Bejeweled clones or twinstick shooters. But I think what Damian is talking about, and something that is unarguable, is that the creativity in big-budget HD console games is at an all-time low. While in the NES/SNES/PS1 and even the PS2 days, you'd have big-budget (for their time) games that would try something different.

And yeah we need a new Adventures of Lolo-esque game :(

it's kindof unfair and biased to control for only big budgeted games and control only for the few "creative" titles that there were for the nes especially given that game development in the 80s is more akin to the indie scene today.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Damian79 on March 14, 2011, 07:04:52 PM
posting two titles isn't much of an elaboration.

i don't know what's worse, the fact that you're being extremely selective from the 800 or so titles released on the nes or you're using exceptions to prove a point... which is just wrong.


Really, i dont remember many clones on the NES, i guess living in Australia had its ups with low selection of titles.  It would be nice if you guys show me a few more "clone" games.  I always thought that mass clone games started when "Doom" hit and everyone wanted to make the same gameafter NES that is.  The atari 2600 was the grand daddy of clone game.  Like the apple ipod there are 10k games on the thign or something.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: maxy on March 16, 2011, 07:30:49 AM
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Under pressure stats body says it's working on a new digital chart, but have we heard it all before?

Following recent criticism from publisher EA, NPD has once again pledged to introduce digital sales numbers into its monthly US video games sales data.

"We are expanding the number of digital retailers we have relationships with in order to develop a digital POS (point of sale) service," NPD analyst Anita Frazier told Games Industry.

"The goal is to provide our clients with a total POS games tracking service that incorporates the growing digital channel as well as the currently predominant physical format, and to deliver this at the same frequency as we currently do for new physical retail sales (monthly).

"It will become increasingly challenging for the financial community to create proper valuations of companies in the absence of an objective third-party source covering the entire market, and it will be harder for companies to manage their businesses and resources without visibility into all forms of distribution."

Last year EA claimed that digital has grown to such an extent that it now accounts for 40 per cent of overall industry sales – a number that NPD itself corroborates.


The implications of this is that UK and US chart data, which since 2008 has painted a picture of steady decline for the video games industry, is no longer representative of the continued growth that many believe continues to propel the sector forward.

This resulted in a strongly worded attack from EA earlier in the week where the publisher claimed that "using NPD data for video game sales is like measuring music sales and ignoring something called iTunes – we see NPD's data as a misrepresentation of the entire industry".

However, we should't get too excited about these new promises from NPD. As long ago as 2009 NPD was talking up the impending arrival of a digital chart.

It's a similar story on this side of the Atlantic. As far back as 2007 Chart-Track was discussing the need to digital sales numbers.

It looked as if it were about to become a reality in 2009 though come 2011 trade body UKIE is still calling in vein for the crucial support needed from partners such as Xbox Live, the PlayStation Network and Steam if such data is ever to become a possibility.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/43520/NPD-makes-new-digital-pledge (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/43520/NPD-makes-new-digital-pledge)

I guess nobody wants to give digital data for free,tough luck NPD :P
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: chronovore on March 16, 2011, 08:38:42 AM
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Under pressure stats body says it's working on a new digital chart, but have we heard it all before?

"The goal is to provide our clients with a total POS games tracking service that incorporates the growing digital channel as well as the currently predominant physical format, and to deliver this at the same frequency as we currently do for new physical retail sales (monthly).

They should hire Evilbore. We already do a fantastic job tracking total POS games.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 16, 2011, 11:35:41 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: pilonv1 on March 16, 2011, 07:19:34 PM
EVILBORE POS TRACKING SERVICE MARCH TOP 5

1. Dragon Age 2
2. Killzone 3
3. Homefront
4. Little Big Planet 2
5. Crysis 2
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 20, 2011, 01:15:00 PM
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Gametrailers' Invisible Walls podcast had some new numbers, again


1. Wii Just Dance 2 554,552
2. PS3 Marvel vs Capcom 3 398,284
3. 360 Marvel vs Capcom 3 391,913
4. 360 Call of Duty: Black Ops 390,729
5. PS3 Call of Duty: Black Ops 288,674
6. PS3 Killzone 3 279,824
7. 360 Bulletstorm 233,365
8. Wii Zumba Fitness: Join the party 226,685
9. Wii Michael Jackson The Experience 226,378
10. 360 NBA 2k11 224,800
11. Wii Mario Sports Mix 199,965
12. 360 Dance Central 183,920
13. 360 Dead Space 2 179,675
14. PS3 NBA 2k11 159,278
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Purple Filth on March 20, 2011, 01:16:27 PM
from Gametrailers

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1. Wii Just Dance 2 554,552
2. PS3 Marvel vs Capcom 3 398,284
3. 360 Marvel vs Capcom 3 391,913
4. 360 Call of Duty: Black Ops 390,729
5. PS3 Call of Duty: Black Ops 288,674
6. PS3 Killzone 3 279,824
7. 360 Bulletstorm 233,365
8. Wii Zumba Fitness: Join the party 226,685
9. Wii Michael Jackson The Experience 226,378
10. 360 NBA 2k11 224,800
11. Wii Mario Sports Mix 199,965
12. 360 Dance Central 183,920
13. 360 Dead Space 2 179,675
14. PS3 NBA 2k11 159,278

looks like PS3 owners don't care about Bulletstorm :/
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 20, 2011, 01:21:22 PM
looks like PS3 owners don't care about Bulletstorm :/

Well the Gears beta definitely had an effect there but yeah. Pretty much.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on March 20, 2011, 01:41:26 PM
lol @ xbox 360 getting outsold on MvsC3  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: iconoclast on March 20, 2011, 02:09:10 PM
Not surprising, the fighting game community's primary system is the PS3. Though if there's one game that could have done better on 360, it's MvC3 because it has a lot of casual appeal.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 20, 2011, 06:15:50 PM
By 300 units on a list that also has Blops, DS2 and Bulletstorm
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: pilonv1 on March 20, 2011, 07:10:48 PM
I would have sworn that the Zumba game would have been bigger on 360 because of Kinect.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 20, 2011, 10:05:02 PM
I would have sworn that the Zumba game would have been bigger on 360 because of Kinect.

Install base.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: chronovore on March 20, 2011, 10:07:49 PM
I would have sworn that the Zumba game would have been bigger on 360 because of Kinect.
It's MAJESCO. I'm stunned it did THAT well.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: pilonv1 on March 21, 2011, 12:25:47 AM
I would have sworn that the Zumba game would have been bigger on 360 because of Kinect.

Install base.

True, but I figured that it did well with the Kinect launch and Wii was heavier with Just Dance.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Damian79 on March 21, 2011, 05:15:14 AM
Why is it that games that have the best ideas are forgotten.  For example UN Squadron(area 88 snes game for japanese players) imo is still the best shooter ot date, why?  Because of its upgrade system, its bonus system, secrets etc.  Why is there no shooter since then like that.

I think that devs are too afraid to try out new ideas.  How about a level-based rpg with a similar setup like un squadron.  Like when you complete a level you get bonus gold for all the equipment you didnt use, you buy your equipment for the next level and repeat.  Chances are that there will never be a game like that, why?  Because devs are too comfortable with the money they get from tried and true gamepaly styles ar sequels.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: maxy on March 21, 2011, 06:00:31 AM
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Xbox  family :bow2


LTD

Wii...35 million
PS3...16 million
360...26 million

LBP2...500k

Donkey Kong...2 million

DS2...800k

NSMB DS...9 million



Something for Himu

Tactics Ogre is at number 132

:fbm
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: chronovore on March 21, 2011, 08:03:15 AM
People complaining about the lack of originality in games aren't paying enough attention to the handheld sector, particularly the iPhone and (I assume) Android platforms. Original gameplay with good production values are plentiful. Oddly, the biggest "fail" moments for those platforms are when they try to emulate a traditional controller instead of embracing the control methods inherent to the hardware (touch, tilt, etc.).

Speaking of which, when will NPD start including game sales from the various App Stores? It's getting to be like music; tracking CD sales is not going to give anything like a realistic picture.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: maxy on March 21, 2011, 09:15:55 AM
People complaining about the lack of originality in games aren't paying enough attention to the handheld sector, particularly the iPhone and (I assume) Android platforms. Original gameplay with good production values are plentiful. Oddly, the biggest "fail" moments for those platforms are when they try to emulate a traditional controller instead of embracing the control methods inherent to the hardware (touch, tilt, etc.).

Speaking of which, when will NPD start including game sales from the various App Stores? It's getting to be like music; tracking CD sales is not going to give anything like a realistic picture.

When they start paying for it.
Why would MS give Xbox Live data for free to NPD?
NPD sells their data.



Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: tiesto on March 21, 2011, 09:19:46 AM
People complaining about the lack of originality in games aren't paying enough attention to the handheld sector, particularly the iPhone and (I assume) Android platforms. Original gameplay with good production values are plentiful. Oddly, the biggest "fail" moments for those platforms are when they try to emulate a traditional controller instead of embracing the control methods inherent to the hardware (touch, tilt, etc.).

Speaking of which, when will NPD start including game sales from the various App Stores? It's getting to be like music; tracking CD sales is not going to give anything like a realistic picture.

What games are innovative on the iPhone platforms? People love to say how innovative and awesome cellphone games are, but the examples they usually point to me are either copycats of Flash games or console/handheld style games with gimped controls.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 21, 2011, 09:54:28 AM
I really liked flight control and tilt to live, although I'm not sure if they are inspired by anything.  A lot of other stuff is "innovative" but its  something I would expect to unlock in a warioware game as a miningame with very simple mechanics. BUTHEYITWASONLYADOLLAR!
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: pilonv1 on March 21, 2011, 07:15:24 PM
People complaining about the lack of originality in games aren't paying enough attention to the handheld sector, particularly the iPhone and (I assume) Android platforms. Original gameplay with good production values are plentiful. Oddly, the biggest "fail" moments for those platforms are when they try to emulate a traditional controller instead of embracing the control methods inherent to the hardware (touch, tilt, etc.).

Speaking of which, when will NPD start including game sales from the various App Stores? It's getting to be like music; tracking CD sales is not going to give anything like a realistic picture.

When they start paying for it.
Why would MS give Xbox Live data for free to NPD?
NPD sells their data.

Why would Microsoft/Sony give up their data even if they were paid for it? There's no reason for them to do so, it's not like there's competition in the retail space on consoles. They're running closed systems with unique content, there's no need to aggregate it for a service provider like there is a retailer.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: chronovore on March 22, 2011, 12:05:16 AM
People complaining about the lack of originality in games aren't paying enough attention to the handheld sector, particularly the iPhone and (I assume) Android platforms. Original gameplay with good production values are plentiful. Oddly, the biggest "fail" moments for those platforms are when they try to emulate a traditional controller instead of embracing the control methods inherent to the hardware (touch, tilt, etc.).

Speaking of which, when will NPD start including game sales from the various App Stores? It's getting to be like music; tracking CD sales is not going to give anything like a realistic picture.

What games are innovative on the iPhone platforms? People love to say how innovative and awesome cellphone games are, but the examples they usually point to me are either copycats of Flash games or console/handheld style games with gimped controls.

As far as I'm concerned, Dance Dance Revolution is a controller game with a gimped control scheme by insisting people stamp on a mat instead of pressing buttons. But it does make things more challenging.

I think Flight Control, Angry Birds, Cut the Rope and that ilk are original, professionally done, and polished.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 22, 2011, 12:14:01 AM
Angry Birds and Cut the Rope may be polished, but they are certainly not original.
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: Damian79 on March 22, 2011, 04:26:16 AM
So what are the hardcore games that are unique on the ipod?
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: T-Short on March 22, 2011, 05:55:28 AM
(http://oi52.tinypic.com/bk08l.jpg)

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Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: maxy on March 22, 2011, 06:14:53 AM
People complaining about the lack of originality in games aren't paying enough attention to the handheld sector, particularly the iPhone and (I assume) Android platforms. Original gameplay with good production values are plentiful. Oddly, the biggest "fail" moments for those platforms are when they try to emulate a traditional controller instead of embracing the control methods inherent to the hardware (touch, tilt, etc.).

Speaking of which, when will NPD start including game sales from the various App Stores? It's getting to be like music; tracking CD sales is not going to give anything like a realistic picture.

When they start paying for it.
Why would MS give Xbox Live data for free to NPD?
NPD sells their data.

Why would Microsoft/Sony give up their data even if they were paid for it? There's no reason for them to do so, it's not like there's competition in the retail space on consoles. They're running closed systems with unique content, there's no need to aggregate it for a service provider like there is a retailer.

Well,they pay NDP for retail reports and it would benefit them both to make some deal.People that pay for NPD would certainly welcome it.

DD is growing and it will have to be included into sales charts,sooner or later.

Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: chronovore on March 23, 2011, 06:34:12 AM
So what are the hardcore games that are unique on the ipod?

By "unique" are you asking about iPod exclusives, or just original? Also, what qualifies as "hardcore" to you?
Title: Re: February NPD (360 rapes)
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 23, 2011, 07:01:15 AM
How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

Fuck this conversation