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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Smooth Groove on March 11, 2011, 01:42:34 AM

Title: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 11, 2011, 01:42:34 AM
Holy crap!  I hope Jap Bore is alright.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12709598
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: The Sceneman on March 11, 2011, 01:43:48 AM
shit  :( guess the Pacific plate is a bit pissed right now.

I'm praying that J-bore is safe.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 11, 2011, 01:44:49 AM
Most of J-Bore is in Tokyo too.  :fbm
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on March 11, 2011, 01:46:32 AM
:(
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2011, 01:47:23 AM
we're all ok, by the sound of it

but holy fuck at other parts of the country -
http://jin115.com/archives/51759791.html


Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: tehjaybo on March 11, 2011, 01:49:23 AM
I have a RL friend there and she's scared to death... she's never been through anything quite like this.  I talked to her for a bit and she seems alright, but she's really scared.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2011, 01:55:27 AM
it was terrifying all right - i've been through dozens but this was something else. My kid was petrified (her first).

I have knocked work on the head for the day, fuck that noise
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Bebpo on March 11, 2011, 01:56:56 AM
Hope you're all safe.  This looks pretty bad :(
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 11, 2011, 01:59:38 AM
Glad to hear everyone is OK.  I was just watching CNN and it was scary as hell to see all those cars and boats being washed away like ants. 
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 11, 2011, 02:01:04 AM
it was terrifying all right - i've been through dozens but this was something else. My kid was petrified (her first).

I have knocked work on the head for the day, fuck that noise

fuck man, I'm really sorry.  Keep your kid nearby and try and comfort them.  terrifying experience.  talk to any other j-borians?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 11, 2011, 02:05:00 AM
looks shocking on the news :(

edit: pics on the link above are on CNN/Sky news now for me via NHK
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 11, 2011, 02:06:23 AM
Pilon is twittering, so he's prolly fine.

I'm good, but that was the biggest 'quake in 11 years of living in Japan, and we were FAR away from the epicenter. Scary stuff.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2011, 02:10:42 AM
dcharlie, ch1nchilla are ok, as is everyone else i know here. I think it's fairly safe to presume that if you were in Tokyo, you are ok for the moment at least. Unless you were on the move.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on March 11, 2011, 02:13:18 AM
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

live stream


people should get the fuck out of japan right now waves still coming in hearts out to all of you in japan  :'(
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: The Sceneman on March 11, 2011, 02:14:05 AM
I confer my e-strength to you guys  :( My country was recently rocked by our worst National Disaster ever, and seeing this happen in glorious Nippon also is literally bringing tears to my eyes. Kia kaha kotou (Maori phrase meaning: "Stand tall everyone")

Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Oblivion on March 11, 2011, 02:14:34 AM
Watching MSNBC and they're following what appears to be a tsunami going to shore. Pretty fuckin crazy.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 11, 2011, 02:18:29 AM
Pilon is twittering, so he's prolly fine.

err?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 11, 2011, 03:17:24 AM
holy shit @ the last explosion
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2011, 03:39:05 AM
did you feel it all the way over in Oz? ;)
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 11, 2011, 03:45:31 AM
Went to bed early tonight, but I woke up for some reason and turned on CNN. The Mrs. and I are thinking about you guys, so incredibly glad you're all alright.

The international news is showing footage of Sendai and rural Chiba, but nothing of Tokyo. I feel better after hearing from Cormac and DCharlie over on Facebook. Hang in there.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 11, 2011, 03:49:43 AM
Apparently I'm in Japan according to chrono
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Bebpo on March 11, 2011, 04:00:30 AM
Well your time zone is about the same give or take an hour, so technically you indeed are nihonseese
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 11, 2011, 04:02:37 AM
That's like saying Mexicans are Americans
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2011, 04:22:46 AM
or Dominicans aren't black
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 11, 2011, 04:40:41 AM
Apparently I'm in Japan according to chrono

Briefly forgot where Pilonv1 is, since we are sometimes on XBL at the same time, I thought he was with J-bore. OOPS.

Um. Hey. CHECK OUT THIS CRACK:
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(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/255959061.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1299834194&Signature=c0%2BQe4VsSjqVCRzH5DE75kBm9%2Fk%3D)
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Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 11, 2011, 04:41:27 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/xotpg.jpg)
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 11, 2011, 04:44:37 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/j7Ekj.jpg)

:o
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: fistfulofmetal on March 11, 2011, 05:29:45 AM
god's revenge for the twilight princess debacle.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: MCD on March 11, 2011, 05:34:14 AM
^This is no joking matter, fisty.

Be safe, Japa-bore.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: originalz on March 11, 2011, 05:44:12 AM
The earthquake was definitely an experience!  Usually they only last a few seconds, this one was probably over a minute.  At first we were joking that "oh shit, here comes the big one!", but when it wouldn't stop we started to go under the desks.  Everything seems fine otherwise.

The biggest problem is that all of the Tokyo train lines are shut down, which means you're more or less stranded if you don't live near your place of work.  I have no choice but to camp out in the office along with the others who can't get back.  Bloody nusiance, hopefully they'll be active by tomorrow morning.  Not so bad though, I've heard that some places don't have electricity.

I am kind of concerned about what I'll find tomorrow, though.  My TV isn't exactly secure on the stand, and my PS2 is right next to it so it'll be crushed if it happened to fall.

Also, cell phones don't seem to be working well.  I can access the net and send mail, but calling is impossible.  Long lines of people waiting for the pay phones.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2011, 05:49:05 AM
yeah, today I am very glad to be working from home. Was able to be with my family, and avoided a looooong walk home. Jonny Ram just tweeted that he just walked 15km home.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 11, 2011, 05:58:49 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/status/46119119958966272 (http://twitter.com/#!/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/status/46119119958966272)
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 11, 2011, 06:02:04 AM
Phew, Kojima is ok nothing to worry about now!
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: originalz on March 11, 2011, 06:19:49 AM
I just saw on the news that there's a huge crack near Yokohama station that's been shifting, probably more of them in the area.  That's pretty crazy.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2011, 06:56:51 AM
Damn, that was surreal...I've been listening to the BBC news feed off and on most of the day, in between watching NHK. My buddy Matt Alt just got interviewed on BBC while i was listening. Apparently he was on CNN as well. And he was really fucking good too!
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 11, 2011, 07:04:33 AM
I think I saw him on BBC too
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2011, 07:06:00 AM
The weird thing is that he does a fair amount of radio / TV here...but it's all in Japanese. Never heard him do this stuff in English. The guy is a star. :bow
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: BlackMage on March 11, 2011, 07:17:52 AM
damn I just woke up. So uhh.. what are the chances of any "giant waves" hitting the california coast?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 11, 2011, 07:18:20 AM
zero. you might get a 3 foot swell
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 11, 2011, 07:20:11 AM
Matt's a sharp guy.

I'm watching the news; the casters all are wearing construction helmets. The poor schlubs in the same room in the background are bereft of protective headwear.

The nighttime shots of the still-burning oil factory in Chiba looks like hell-on-earth.

damn I just woke up. So uhh.. what are the chances of any "giant waves" hitting the california coast?
Um. No...?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2011, 07:25:19 AM
i think he's confusing Japan with Hawaii
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 11, 2011, 07:27:48 AM
I'd be surprised if Hawaii got anything serious
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Akala on March 11, 2011, 07:33:24 AM
good luck guys!
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 11, 2011, 07:35:12 AM
i think he's confusing Japan with Hawaii

Japanese people in Hawaii also have that problem.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 11, 2011, 07:45:35 AM
As of a couple hours ago, it sounds as though most of the Tokyo trains are running.

So far, there are 59 confirmed dead, but they're not even showing numbers for Aomori, which is definitely the hardest hit. I've got a friend up there we haven't yet been able to reach.  :-\
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 11, 2011, 07:56:30 AM
The nighttime shots of the still-burning oil factory in Chiba looks like hell-on-earth.

(http://i.imgur.com/TJ2F4.jpg)
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 11, 2011, 08:14:10 AM
It's 12:15 here and I should get to bed but I can't help but be curious about what happens in Hawaii
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2011, 08:15:08 AM
As of a couple hours ago, it sounds as though most of the Tokyo trains are running.

So far, there are 59 confirmed dead, but they're not even showing numbers for Aomori, which is definitely the hardest hit. I've got a friend up there we haven't yet been able to reach.  :-\

:(

Today, I am grateful that I only associate with urbanites :tophat
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: originalz on March 11, 2011, 08:20:42 AM
JR likes are still down!  Looks like there's thousands of stranded people at the major stations, looking at overhead videos make it look like a movie or something, just people packed everywhere.  Even if they were running I think I'd stay here anyway and avoid the insanity.  Ah well, at least I have the internet to keep me busy!  I guess I'm more fortunate than a lot of other stranded folks.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2011, 08:23:03 AM
where you at, originalz
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: BlackMage on March 11, 2011, 08:27:45 AM
JR likes are still down!  Looks like there's thousands of stranded people at the major stations, looking at overhead videos make it look like a movie or something, just people packed everywhere.  Even if they were running I think I'd stay here anyway and avoid the insanity.  Ah well, at least I have the internet to keep me busy!  I guess I'm more fortunate than a lot of other stranded folks.

you got snacks?!
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 11, 2011, 08:36:51 AM
glad everyone here seems to be ok
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: lennedsay on March 11, 2011, 08:51:25 AM
 :( glad to hear you guys are safe...
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: tiesto on March 11, 2011, 09:10:16 AM
Damn... hope all you guys and your friends stay safe. This really sucks.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 11, 2011, 09:32:18 AM
more pics http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/03/earthquake-in-japan/100022/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/03/earthquake-in-japan/100022/)
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Brehvolution on March 11, 2011, 09:42:18 AM
Crazy stuff. Glad to hear you guys are OK.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2011, 09:44:47 AM
just saw a string of messages from Japanese people trapped or otherwise in need of help on twitter. 'Stuck under rubble, battery dying. Address is...please help'. Heartrending.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cravis on March 11, 2011, 09:45:35 AM
Man this is terrible. Glad you guys are safe.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: drew on March 11, 2011, 10:03:19 AM
glad to see that hyoushi is ok
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: muckhole on March 11, 2011, 10:11:13 AM
just saw a string of messages from Japanese people trapped or otherwise in need of help on twitter. 'Stuck under rubble, battery dying. Address is...please help'. Heartrending.

 :'( God that's horrible. I'm glad everyone here seems to be checking in, hope everything is ok. Well, as good as it can be, considering.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Diunx on March 11, 2011, 10:16:05 AM
Glad jbore is alright, the is a british guy called mark speaking on BBC right now don't know if it is cormac's friend, the videos are insane! THERE IS A GIANT FUCKING WHIRPOOL DRAGGING A BOAT!!!! So glad to hear that koji productions is alright.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2011, 10:21:04 AM
The aftershocks keep on coming. They are pretty mild, really - normally we'd all just shrug them off. But today they're all kind of terrifying because you just don't know if they're going to stop, or get worse. 8hrs and counting of this.

Also worried about a diabetic friend who walking home across Tokyo on his own. We can't get hold of him because the phones are down. We get the occasional update on Facebook but no response to our messages.

God only knows what it's like in Sendai. Tokyo basically got off scot-free this time.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 11, 2011, 10:30:54 AM
Hope you guys will be able to get some sleep despite the constant aftershocks  :(
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2011, 10:34:27 AM
I think we're all just so fucking wired! This is like 9/11 squared in terms of media saturation and social connectivity. Everyone is trying to keep on top of everything and in touch with everyone else.

Still, there is always whiskey. *swigs*
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 11, 2011, 10:51:24 AM
Glad everyone is ok. Stay safe.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Groogrux on March 11, 2011, 10:58:21 AM
Wow, just got up and saw this.  Glad you guys are alright.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on March 11, 2011, 11:05:59 AM
Glad you guys are alright. I have irl friends in Japan and Philippines due to being in the military.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mupepe on March 11, 2011, 11:17:30 AM
Glad to hear J-Bore is okay.  Saw some pictures this morning and man that shit looks crazy.  Stay safe, guys.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 11, 2011, 11:21:27 AM
Any new developments concerning the nuclear reactor?

I saw some of those Tweets, pretty emotional stuff. I can't imagine what the Kobe quake would've been like if we had social networking back then.

The "Tsunami warnings" here in Washington are pretty ridiculous. We might get waves up to 3 feet on the coast. People need to stop freaking out.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 11, 2011, 11:23:37 AM
Man, this sounds/looks horrible.  :-\

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Don't wanna derail the thread, but there was actually an anime series from 2009 about a massive earthquake hitting the Tokyo area. But the weird thing it was only an 8.0:

http://myanimelist.net/anime/6211/Tokyo_Magnitude_8.0
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Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2011, 11:26:04 AM
Any new developments concerning the nuclear reactor?

I saw some of those Tweets, pretty emotional stuff. I can't imagine what the Kobe quake would've been like if we had social networking back then.

The "Tsunami warnings" here in Washington are pretty ridiculous. We might get waves up to 3 feet on the coast. People need to stop freaking out.

just a l'il bit US-centric isn't it
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on March 11, 2011, 11:26:56 AM
any news on the nuclear reactor?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 11, 2011, 11:36:14 AM
[youtube=560,345]sD7_Yv3dV_s[/youtube]
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on March 11, 2011, 11:44:28 AM
this is scary as fuck
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 11, 2011, 11:47:13 AM
Any new developments concerning the nuclear reactor?

I saw some of those Tweets, pretty emotional stuff. I can't imagine what the Kobe quake would've been like if we had social networking back then.

The "Tsunami warnings" here in Washington are pretty ridiculous. We might get waves up to 3 feet on the coast. People need to stop freaking out.

just a l'il bit US-centric isn't it

Oh no! Not at all!

CNN and MSNBC are focusing on Japan as they should, but the local Seattle stations are on TSUNAMI DANGER OMG WARNING when it's nothing to be concerned about.

I was reading Japan Times, they said most of the rail lines in Tokyo are running again, but they weren't very clear about JR. Are those up, too?

Man, this sounds/looks horrible.  :-\

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Don't wanna derail the thread, but there was actually an anime series from 2009 about a massive earthquake hitting the Tokyo area. But the weird thing it was only an 8.0:

http://myanimelist.net/anime/6211/Tokyo_Magnitude_8.0
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I kinda wonder if Irem will delay Zettai Zetsumei Toshi 4 out of respect to the victims.
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Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on March 11, 2011, 11:50:03 AM
Well it's local news so it's expected. It's not like a local Seattle news channel is going to fly out to fucking Japan to report on the quake and tsunamis.

People are worried so they're taking advantage of that.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 11, 2011, 11:58:38 AM
any news on the nuclear reactor?

Quote from: GAF
Apparently all the damages of the primary cooling system will be repaired today and they will go online tomorrow. Backup systems are holding up and if they fail there is diesel generators that can keep up with the cooling process.

Quote from: Washington Post
The four Japanese nuclear power plants closest to the earthquake have been safely shut down, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) told Reuters.

The United States has transported coolant to a Japanese nuclear plant affected by the massive quake and will continue to assist Japan, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said.

"We just had our Air Force assets in Japan transport some really important coolant to one of the nuclear plants. You know Japan is very reliant on nuclear power and they have very high engineering standards, but one of their plants came under a lot of stress with the earthquake and didn't have enough coolant," Clinton said at a meeting of the President's Export Council. 
 
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 11, 2011, 12:42:41 PM
Update on the reactors:

Quote from: GAF
No rest at Daiichi power plant. Unit 2 is almost at peak efficiency but now there is enormous pressure build in unit 1. This could end up in radioactive leak. They are doing all they can to lower the pressure but no word how it's going yet.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2011, 01:04:59 PM
US is rushing coolant support to the nuclear plant. Really really hope they manage to contain any damage
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 11, 2011, 01:38:10 PM
Can someone find out if Ichirou is safe? 
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 11, 2011, 01:44:49 PM
Can someone find out if Ichirou is safe? 

He's in New Zealand.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 11, 2011, 01:49:33 PM
I had no idea that Ichi moved but it's nice to hear that he's OK.  Best wishes to everyone still over there.  
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on March 11, 2011, 01:51:38 PM
Can someone find out if Ichirou is safe? 

He's in New Zealand.

how do i contact him? tell him i want to talk to him!
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 11, 2011, 01:56:54 PM
Glad everyone is okay.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 11, 2011, 02:00:05 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/MH5m1.jpg)
Distant :(

Until I hear otherwise, that's totally shopped.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Purple Filth on March 11, 2011, 02:06:50 PM
(http://img-cluster1.dannychoo.com/cgm/ecommerce/dannychoo/images/large/f0e1819e76a4ce4fb98e8b6b92c68c16.jpg)
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 11, 2011, 02:07:59 PM
Just saw this on Twitter:

Recap : 8.9 6.4 6.4 6.8 3.2 7.1 6.3 6.3 5.8 5.9 6.3 6.1 6.1 3.2 5.9 5.8 5.7 5.6 5.9 5.5 6.2 6.2 6.5 6.1 5.9 5.5 5.4 4.6 5.2 3.3 5.4 2.8 2.5 5.5 2.8 2.8 2.9 3.0 5.4 5.2 2.7 5.5 5.2 6.0 5.6 5.9 5.3 5.5 5.0 3.2 5.1 5.6 5.5 5.5 5.5 5.7 6.5 5.8 5.8 5.1 5.5 5.1 5.9 5.3 5.2 5.2 5.3 5.6 5.4 5.3 5.3 2.5 5.1 5.8 2.5 5.1 5.6 4.9 5.6 5.3 5.2 4.9 5.5 5.2 2.6 5.1 5.4 5.1 5.4 5.8 5.0 6.2 5.6 5.2 4.9 5.4 5.0

Holy shit
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2011, 02:10:47 PM
holy shit it's like an aggregate of Sonic scores
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 11, 2011, 02:12:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/MH5m1.jpg)
Distant :(

Noooooooooooooooooooo
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on March 11, 2011, 02:15:43 PM
(http://img-cluster1.dannychoo.com/cgm/ecommerce/dannychoo/images/large/f0e1819e76a4ce4fb98e8b6b92c68c16.jpg)

omg NO
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Corporal on March 11, 2011, 02:25:51 PM
Man, I haven't been able to watch any news since this morning. Just started catching up. :o

Good to see J-Bore is safe. Hang in there, guys.

Still, Japan appears to be holding up quite well, considering the magnitude of the quake and the incessant aftershocks. I really expected far worse than what I'm seeing so far. That's not to say that the chaos and utter destruction isn't bone chilling.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: bork on March 11, 2011, 02:26:50 PM
Glad everyone is doing okay!  Was worried about Originalz since I saw nothing from him on Facebook, then I checked this thread and saw his post.   :)

My wife's family are all okay too, but I doubt they got too much out in Ishikawa-Ken anyway. 
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 11, 2011, 02:26:54 PM
6.6 earthquake centered in Nagano.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 11, 2011, 02:38:56 PM
And now a separate 6.0 in Tochigi? They can't get a break.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 11, 2011, 02:39:20 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/eGSKJ.jpg)
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 11, 2011, 02:45:52 PM
There's truth to that, but for some odd reason I wanna slap his smug face, probably because he set his tweets to private. I wanna reply with the NYT link.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 11, 2011, 02:51:27 PM
I know, check the edit lol.
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Post by: drew on March 11, 2011, 04:39:44 PM
is akihabara one big sinkhole now, please tell me it is, PLEASE
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: etiolate on March 11, 2011, 04:46:41 PM
Was up till like 3-4am watching this.

All the roads to the beach here are closed. The video makes it look like a strong current, nothing bad. It's pushed some boats around, but that is about it.

edit: Just read the local paper's tsunami advisory online. First comment is "surfs up dude!".

fuckin Santa Cruz
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on March 11, 2011, 05:19:17 PM
is akihabara one big sinkhole now, please tell me it is, PLEASE

some girl on my fb friends list posted this.

"I hope all my kindred spirits in the Akihabara district are doing well after the earthquake. Much love. I need you to keep taking DS pictures of the cosplay waitresses!"

she is a self proclaimed otaku.

delete from fb friends list? y/n

Look at the responses:

"The world does end with you shibuya.... How ironic would that be?"

"That Gundam Museum better be in tact or Gaia is gonna have to answer to me! I'm not planeteer!"
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Groogrux on March 11, 2011, 05:24:34 PM
Delete.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: The Sceneman on March 11, 2011, 05:57:22 PM
is akihabara one big sinkhole now, please tell me it is, PLEASE

some girl on my fb friends list posted this.

"I hope all my kindred spirits in the Akihabara district are doing well after the earthquake. Much love. I need you to keep taking DS pictures of the cosplay waitresses!"

she is a self proclaimed otaku.

delete from fb friends list? y/n

Look at the responses:

"The world does end with you shibuya.... How ironic would that be?"

"That Gundam Museum better be in tact or Gaia is gonna have to answer to me! I'm not planeteer!"
:dizzy :dizzy :dizzy :dizzy :dizzy :dizzy

still, I would love to pork an awful nerd woman like that
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 11, 2011, 06:20:58 PM
Just got home from work and watching CNN's live coverage of NHK and TV Asahi's feeds. Man, it's horrible.

Screw CNN, here's TBS:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tbstv

is akihabara one big sinkhole now, please tell me it is, PLEASE

some girl on my fb friends list posted this.

"I hope all my kindred spirits in the Akihabara district are doing well after the earthquake. Much love. I need you to keep taking DS pictures of the cosplay waitresses!"

she is a self proclaimed otaku.

delete from fb friends list? y/n

Delete.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on March 11, 2011, 07:06:56 PM
Damn, I hope everyone's okay.  :'(
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on March 11, 2011, 07:26:57 PM
On a very important note Gizmodo reminds us once again that the Red Cross is a bloodsucking curse that sometimes uses money raised from one catastrophe and uses it for aid in another catastrophe:

http://gizmodo.com/#!5781182/did-your-donation-really-reach-japan-probably-not (http://gizmodo.com/#!5781182/did-your-donation-really-reach-japan-probably-not)
Where should I donate, then?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 11, 2011, 07:33:49 PM
You could also donate to World Vision.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on March 11, 2011, 07:33:58 PM
Oh, okay. Will donate now, then.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: MrSingh on March 11, 2011, 07:40:12 PM
Had a hell of a ride on the 48th floor of a building when it hit. Wife was at home, on the 28th floor of a building built on reclaimed land in the Tokyo bay area. She said the building swayed so much that the fridge almost fell over. But at the end of it all, the only things that fell over was a coat rack and my PC mouse.

Devastation in northern Japan is heart wrenching though. :( :(
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 11, 2011, 07:58:11 PM
The pictures are really horrifying, especially this one (stolen from Patel's FB). (http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/jpq03111/s_j02_RTR2JQNY.jpg) Look at the dude's face, that is the NOT face I'll be making midst an earthquake, I'll tell you that!

When was the last time a quake of this magnitude hit Japan?

On a very important note Gizmodo reminds us once again that the Red Cross is a bloodsucking curse that sometimes uses money raised from one catastrophe and uses it for aid in another catastrophe:

http://gizmodo.com/#!5781182/did-your-donation-really-reach-japan-probably-not (http://gizmodo.com/#!5781182/did-your-donation-really-reach-japan-probably-not)

I had to remove the "like" when I realized there's a "Share" button tucked away :-[
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Diunx on March 11, 2011, 08:17:37 PM
I'n gonna think about my fox hound keychain as a donation to the japanese empire.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2011, 08:35:20 PM
Earth's axis has shifted 10 inches as a result of the quake. Japan's coastline has permanently shifted 2.4 meters.

apparently. Looking outside, it all seems much the same. All my friends seem to have made it home safe at some point in the night (or stayed overnight at work).
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 11, 2011, 08:44:27 PM
Earth's axis has shifted 10 inches as a result of the quake. Japan's coastline has permanently shifted 2.4 meters.

apparently. Looking outside, it all seems much the same. All my friends seem to have made it home safe at some point in the night (or stayed overnight at work).

Do you figure it will be back to work as normal on Monday, or will Tokyo take a little longer to get back on it's feet?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: originalz on March 11, 2011, 09:02:14 PM
Finally made it back home after sleeping on a hard floor in the office!  JR is still screwed so I was stranded in Shinjuku station for awhile, had to take the subway home which is somewhat of an annoying journey as it is, but the lines were super-crowded and the trains were crazy-delayed.  Everything in my apt seems fine, some things shifted around and fell but fortunately my TV is fine.  Worst thing to happen was my razor falling off the table and opening up, covering the floor with hair.  Jar of pickles also fell off from my fridge, but fortunately the glass didn't shatter.  Overall I got off pretty easily.  Bloody crazy what's happening in the north, tho.  Shit looks like 2012 or some high-budget disaster movie.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2011, 09:13:38 PM
A guy I know just put this up - this is pretty much what it was like for us.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hjDxjQeH4U&feature=player_embedded#at=97[/youtube]
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 11, 2011, 09:47:32 PM
Where is your friend's workplace located, cormac? Also how many strong aftershocks followed (is still following?) a big one like this?

And for the people who just turned up safely, again, I'm glad everyone safe and ok.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 11, 2011, 09:56:06 PM
Where is your friend's workplace located, cormac? Also how many strong aftershocks followed (is still following?) a big one like this?
Quote from: me
Just saw this on Twitter:

Recap : 8.9 6.4 6.4 6.8 3.2 7.1 6.3 6.3 5.8 5.9 6.3 6.1 6.1 3.2 5.9 5.8 5.7 5.6 5.9 5.5 6.2 6.2 6.5 6.1 5.9 5.5 5.4 4.6 5.2 3.3 5.4 2.8 2.5 5.5 2.8 2.8 2.9 3.0 5.4 5.2 2.7 5.5 5.2 6.0 5.6 5.9 5.3 5.5 5.0 3.2 5.1 5.6 5.5 5.5 5.5 5.7 6.5 5.8 5.8 5.1 5.5 5.1 5.9 5.3 5.2 5.2 5.3 5.6 5.4 5.3 5.3 2.5 5.1 5.8 2.5 5.1 5.6 4.9 5.6 5.3 5.2 4.9 5.5 5.2 2.6 5.1 5.4 5.1 5.4 5.8 5.0 6.2 5.6 5.2 4.9 5.4 5.0

Holy shit
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2011, 10:00:27 PM
aftershocks have been more or less constant up til maybe 8am today? haven't really noticed any since. They're not really a big deal for us though, apart from the psychological aspect (at the risk of getting overly technical...they make you shit your pants).
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Bebpo on March 11, 2011, 10:33:03 PM
:(

Hope things turn around for you guys soon.  When I first saw the reports saying Aomori got hit bad too, I was worried about the few people I still knew from when I lived in Tsugaru, but then I saw it was the east coast and everyone I knew was on the west coast.  Still I can't help feel that some of my students probably migrated east and were caught up in all this :(
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Groogrux on March 11, 2011, 10:52:38 PM
A guy I know just put this up - this is pretty much what it was like for us.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hjDxjQeH4U&feature=player_embedded#at=97[/youtube]

You have to admire his sense of humor about it all.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 12, 2011, 01:34:16 AM
The situation with those nuclear power plants is looking really bad.  :-\
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Tieno on March 12, 2011, 01:37:13 AM
fucking aye, surreal.

May be selfish, but I'm incredibly glad my brother doesn't live there anymore. He's lived there for 4 years, moved to Paris last year. I already feel incredibly strange knowing a lot of his friends live in Japan, don't know how I'd be if he was still there.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Corporal on March 12, 2011, 02:07:38 AM
Fucking dammit. Now the reactor cores at Fukushima I&II are starting to melt if the news here in Germany are to be believed. Most coolant has boiled away below critical levels. Areas inside the building have already measured radioactivity a thousand times higher than the safe limits. Radioactive Cesium has been found where it shouldn't be. Authorities now consider a partial meltdown a possibility. Fuck. Fuckfuckfuck.

Water and dead bodies you can clean away again, a nuclear meltdown is a problem on an entirely new scale. I refuse to believe this.

Words fail me. If you're anywhere near there, J-Bore, then get the hell out of dodge. No wait, if you're outside when the shit really hits the fan and you get a helping of fallout and aerosols you're fucked too.

Make sure you're supplied with enough necessities and supplies at least. Iodine tablets (or anything with iodine, really). Milk, or calcium supplements. Water. Vitamins. Dust masks. Food in sealed containers. That sort of shit. Keep the kids inside for a while. If the containment really fails (I pray fervently this won't happen) you don't want to leave your house for a while until most shortlived elements have decayed into stuff our body doesn't voluntarily assimilate (12-48 hours). And stay the hell out of the rain/mist. Remember, radioactivity can't be seen, heard, or smelled. :(

I pray they get this under control. Fuck those burning refineries/gas tanks. Tokyo would be inside the fallout zone. Tokyo. Dear Lord.



Fuck. That really wasn't necessary on top of the quake and Tsunami.  :maf  :'( :'( :'(  :maf
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2011, 02:11:13 AM
The pressure has been successfully lowered to safe levels, they are saying. A full-scale nuclear meltdown a la Chernobyl is apparently impossible with this type of BWR reactor.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2011, 02:20:15 AM
Japan has now been hit by 24 6.0-plus quakes since the big one. And Tokyo is almost completely unscathed! (5 deaths, 10 injured at this point). Hard to believe so many people have been so lucky. If more densely-populated areas had been hit, this could have been apocalyptic.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 12, 2011, 02:21:08 AM
Doesn't stop FOX NEWS from reporting it like it's a major catastrophe
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Corporal on March 12, 2011, 02:25:04 AM
Awesome news, that the reactors are at least manageable again. Good to hear.

German news still claim that Caesium has leaked outside, so the containment may be faulty. That's manageable though, even if it still sucks.

Stay safe, J-Bore. Stay safe. Radioactive mutations sound all fun and games until you penis grows teeth and eats your shorts. Don't eat anything off the ground, even if it glows most alluringly. :-\
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Corporal on March 12, 2011, 03:03:58 AM
Now there are reports of explosions in or near the reactor building according to German news.  :-\
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2011, 03:45:25 AM
Cormacaroni on twitter if you want more on this, trying to keep up with the live news
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Corporal on March 12, 2011, 03:51:05 AM
Well, they didn't say anything else - at least the state news. Just that there were explosions. The exact wording was something like "first, as small deflagration, then later on some more explosions of uncertain intensity and location". So I guess that's normal reporting. The private news are sure as all hell going to town with the news though.

After I typed the last message the news came out that it might have been intentional, but I was still watching when you replied so I wasn't able to edit it in.

The panicky part is my own doing. I absolutely loathe radioactivity. Not when it's controlled, mind you. Still one of the most efficient high-yield instant-on power sources at humanitys disposal. My dad was one of the government-mandated radioactivity watchdogs/inspectors of the German reactors when I was a kid, so I guess I'm just disproportionally aware of the dangers. Radioactivity is such a sneaky poison. No smell, no taste, no visible clues unless you're already inside deadly radiation. Even a small dose can kill you years later. And the deaths are almost always not pleasant ones.

So, sorry, but I'll keep slightly panicky. Not on my behalf. When the hypothetical radioactivity from a purely speculated meltdown from Japan reaches Germany it will already have dispersed and decayed so much that it'll be only of scientific interest, I guess. I'm just panicking because Tokyos close proximity is dangerous. One stray gust of wind in the wrong direction and millions of Tokyoites are at risk. That is a scenario that scares the bejeezus out of me.

Edit: well fuck.
(http://i.imgur.com/yQGkS.jpg)

At least the wind appears to be blowing out to the sea. Let's hope it stays that way.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Tieno on March 12, 2011, 04:33:31 AM
Japan has now been hit by 24 6.0-plus quakes since the big one. And Tokyo is almost completely unscathed! (5 deaths, 10 injured at this point). Hard to believe so many people have been so lucky. If more densely-populated areas had been hit, this could have been apocalyptic.
Not so much luck as they purposefully build for this
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2011, 04:34:45 AM
don't be an idiot, Tieno. An 8.8 quake would have floored Tokyo. I'm saying we here were lucky cause the epicenter was 300km away, in the ocean.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Tieno on March 12, 2011, 04:41:02 AM
sorry, read that wrong. :/
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2011, 07:13:04 AM
The nuclear plant crisis seems to be past the worst. They have confirmed that only the wall of the container room was damaged in the explosion (caused by a burst of steam, basically) - the reactor core has not been breached, and radiation levels have dropped back down. WHEW
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Corporal on March 12, 2011, 07:29:20 AM
:bow2 :bow2 :bow2 :bow2 :bow2 :bow2

:bow2 :bow2 :bow2 :bow2 :bow2 :bow2



I just hope that there will be no knee-jerk reactions. If anything, research into reactor design and similar stuff should now be boosted, not shut down. There's really no alternative to fission, at least for now. Le sigh.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2011, 07:33:16 AM
I pretty much agree. You couldn't ask for a better stress test than this.
 I've seen some very progressive thinking on reactor design from Japanese firms, including ones that use nuclear waste as fuel. Would be a shame not to explore them.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 12, 2011, 08:49:25 AM
Yeah, weird that work on breeder reactors hasn't progressed much beyond the experimental stage since the late 50:s, I like the MSR design particularly. I guess one problem is that the current reactor manufacturers also sell the fuel for the plants, which is how they secure a long-term income. Which would disappear after a breeder goes self-sufficient.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 12, 2011, 08:54:57 AM
An MSR breeder should also have a lot of safety advantages, like passive safety, negative void coefficient, and near-atmospheric reactor pressure
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on March 12, 2011, 11:11:02 AM
So, nuke meltdown or not?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 12, 2011, 11:25:07 AM
Not
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: maxy on March 12, 2011, 11:44:28 AM
So, nuke meltdown or not?
Nobody would tell you that anyway.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 12, 2011, 01:05:02 PM
Quote from: http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2011/03/larry-kudlow-devalues-human-life-with-japan-earthquake-freudian-slip.html
In these tough economic times, isn’t it nice to know that calamitous natural disasters needn't have an adverse affect on your investment portfolio? After the 8.9-magnitude earthquake in Japan failed to induce a market nosedive, CNBC’s Larry Kudlow expressed his relief in terms that seemed to appall even his fellow cheerleaders for capitalism: “The human toll here,” he declared, “looks to be much worse than the economic toll and we can be grateful for that.” (Skip ahead to 0:38 on the video after the jump.)

sociopath
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Enl on March 12, 2011, 01:35:17 PM
Good to hear that the nuclear reactor is getting under control.

On a mindnumbingly distinguished mentally-challenged note:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5889/1299928687001.jpg)
[close]

 :usacry
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 12, 2011, 02:08:30 PM
"Hey, remember that thing that happened 70 years ago before most people living in Japan today were born and for which they were carpet bombed and nuked?"
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 12, 2011, 02:48:36 PM
[youtube=560,345]5hfJQzxK4nU[/youtube]
 :-\
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: drew on March 12, 2011, 03:13:25 PM
don't you hate it when scientists make allegories to everyday things so us lay people can understand ::)
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: SantaC on March 12, 2011, 05:04:02 PM
would a reactor-meltdown cause a global catastrophe or regional only? Because the Chernobyl meltdown caused lots of cancer and radiation in Sweden. (even though it was far away from chernobyl btw)
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: SantaC on March 12, 2011, 05:08:14 PM
Different type of reactor if I'm not mistaken, so a meltdown wouldn't be nearly as bad.

Well yeah, the chernobyl reactor was old shit (typical soviet union crap). If there is any comfort in that.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: The Sceneman on March 12, 2011, 05:19:56 PM
Good to hear that the nuclear reactor is getting under control.

On a mindnumbingly distinguished mentally-challenged note:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5889/1299928687001.jpg)
[close]

 :usacry

fuck, Americans can be pretty fucking ignorant/just plain stupid
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: drew on March 12, 2011, 05:27:51 PM
fluoride is a helluva drug
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Tieno on March 12, 2011, 05:43:44 PM
Good to hear that the nuclear reactor is getting under control.

On a mindnumbingly distinguished mentally-challenged note:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5889/1299928687001.jpg)
[close]

 :usacry
two atomic bombs, earthquake, tsunami, nuclear meltdown still not enough for pearl harbor!
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 12, 2011, 05:53:00 PM
Good to hear that the nuclear reactor is getting under control.

On a mindnumbingly distinguished mentally-challenged note:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5889/1299928687001.jpg)
[close]

 :usacry
two atomic bombs, earthquake, tsunami, nuclear meltdown still not enough for pearl harbor!

Don't forget the sarin gas attacks. But clearly, the score hasn't been settled between 'Murica and Japan.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 12, 2011, 06:02:36 PM
Silly XFE, Katrina was because of our love for the gays. God was pissed.

Just heard on CNN about a potential nuclear meltdown. Ichiro Fujisaki is on right now with Blitzer. He clearly has to be very careful with his words.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: TEEEPO on March 12, 2011, 06:26:40 PM
it's absolutely hiliarious that (presumed) white christians now believe in karma!

well what westerners call karma isn't exactly the traditional definition.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: drew on March 12, 2011, 06:28:32 PM
radiation is such a downer :-\
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Bocsius on March 12, 2011, 07:15:22 PM
Oh good, now that we've brought the topic back to America, how long before the left coast gets hit?

Major earthquakes all around the pacific rim the past few years. Get ready, LA.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 12, 2011, 07:22:12 PM
Good to hear that the nuclear reactor is getting under control.

On a mindnumbingly distinguished mentally-challenged note:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5889/1299928687001.jpg)
[close]

 :usacry
two atomic bombs, earthquake, tsunami, nuclear meltdown still not enough for pearl harbor!

I hope someone on my FB posts something as stupid so I can point out the proportionality of the Pearl Harbor attack vs one of the nuclear bombs going off in Japan.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 12, 2011, 07:54:04 PM
Just look at these losers:

http://ignorantandonline.tumblr.com/

http://karmajapan.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 12, 2011, 09:44:06 PM
What's the feeling there concerning the nuclear reactors? I've got NHK World Service on to cancel out CNN's hype, but I'm not sure what to think.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2011, 03:14:47 AM
the Onagawa reactor is not a problem at this point. The radiation levels are minimal.

Typical XFE FUD, in other words. Pah.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 13, 2011, 04:10:01 AM
:lol
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2011, 09:01:03 AM
oh my fucking GOD, I'm going to have to step the fuck away from the internet if I hear any more bitching about power cuts. Fucking pussy ass girls can't stand to spend a few hrs without their Wii so they bitch and moan about their precious electricity being diverted to keep grannies from freezing to death and NUCLEAR REACTORS from BLOWING UP. AARGH. SELFISH FUCKING ENTITLED LITTLE FUCKING CUNTRAGS  :maf IF YOU NEED SOMETHING TO DO IN THE DARK FOR A FEW HOURS I'LL COME OVER AND FUCK YOU HARD IN THE ASS MMMKAY
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Diunx on March 13, 2011, 10:39:59 AM
Do you guys think the gundam project is advanced enough to handle whatever giant monster is born from the inevitable nuclear meltdown?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2011, 10:42:27 AM
DC - I didn't know that I would be unaffected when I wrote that. Doesn't change my feelings on the matter either way. It sucks and our business will lose money blah blah blah but it's still trivial because it helps people directly.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 13, 2011, 11:04:11 AM
Importing "emergency Hostesses."
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2011, 11:11:44 AM
I hear Putin is gonna ride in barechested and wrestle the nuclear reactor into submission. With his cock.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Akala on March 13, 2011, 02:29:49 PM
I hear Putin is gonna ride in barechested and wrestle the nuclear reactor into submission. With his cock.

a more sensible last-ditch effort than most, and with a better chance of success.

Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 13, 2011, 03:26:19 PM
I've been having lots of earthquakes (mixed with some Egypt-style of revolts and panics) terrible nightmares the past few days to the point where I started dreading sleeping, so I really can't imagine what you people must be going through. These reports of the likelihood of another big one hitting in the upcoming days are just as upsetting. I'm praying for everyone's safety.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 13, 2011, 06:58:00 PM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Bebpo on March 13, 2011, 07:06:50 PM
http://video.l3.fbcdn.net/cfs-l3-snc6/81489/34/1605260179420_2624.mp4?oh=ac31b4d8738221641ba490396dc19636&oe=4D7F9F00&l3s=20110313100648&l3e=20110315101648&lh=0a6cfa5eeaecd6dc12abf

Insane video.  Really shows how powerful the water is. 
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Bocsius on March 13, 2011, 08:02:34 PM
http://video.l3.fbcdn.net/cfs-l3-snc6/81489/34/1605260179420_2624.mp4?oh=ac31b4d8738221641ba490396dc19636&oe=4D7F9F00&l3s=20110313100648&l3e=20110315101648&lh=0a6cfa5eeaecd6dc12abf

Insane video.  Really shows how powerful the water is. 

QFT
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Bocsius on March 13, 2011, 08:07:18 PM
Oh wow, that water just kept on coming! Holy crap at the damage!

I wonder if that car at the very beginning actually got away.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 13, 2011, 08:36:54 PM
Thread title needs to be updated to "9.0"  :-\
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Akala on March 13, 2011, 11:12:01 PM
yahoo's frontpage saying there are warnings for another tsunami.

gaf saying deconfirmed? hope so. i'm going to bed. I have watched way too much of this today.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: originalz on March 13, 2011, 11:28:31 PM
Guess I'm lucky that central Tokyo isn't affected by the blackouts.  Ah well, guess I'll try to conserve energy either way, at least it's not a cold day today.

Why is it that foreign media is only focusing on Tokyo with reporting and interviews?  I saw foreign reporters in Shinjuku yesterday interviewing random Japanese people.  I mean, I know it's important to understand how the typical Tokyo citizen feels, but in all honesty Tokyo had such minor damage compared to what happened in the north.  Most of the foreigners being interviewed are like students who have been here for 6 months or whatever, and they never have anything insightful to say.  Yeah, Friday was certainly an inconvenience, but it's almost insulting to see people complaining about stopped trains when entire villages have been taken out.  Go up north and report where the real tragedy is, talk to the people who have been directly affected!

The media is also going crazy with this nuclear shit, my parents are hysterical and trying to get me to just drop my life here and go back to the States.  It seems like the chances of fallout reaching Tokyo are so minor that they're not worth worrying about, and if things get bad I'll just jump on a train to Kanazawa or Kyushu or wherever it's safer.

Also, supermarkets and convenience stores still have a lack of bottled water and certain food items.  Bloody hell...
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 14, 2011, 12:00:10 AM
Guess I'm lucky that central Tokyo isn't affected by the blackouts.  Ah well, guess I'll try to conserve energy either way, at least it's not a cold day today.

Why is it that foreign media is only focusing on Tokyo with reporting and interviews? 

Most of what I'm seeing on the American media is out in Sendai. Not a whole lot of focus on Tokyo.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 14, 2011, 12:28:01 AM
Guess I'm lucky that central Tokyo isn't affected by the blackouts.  Ah well, guess I'll try to conserve energy either way, at least it's not a cold day today.

Why is it that foreign media is only focusing on Tokyo with reporting and interviews? 

Most of what I'm seeing on the American media is out in Sendai. Not a whole lot of focus on Tokyo.

Yeah, that's what it seems like from watching CNN.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 14, 2011, 12:29:43 AM
Quote
As the scale of Japan’s nuclear crisis begins to come to light, experts in Japan and the United States say the country is now facing a cascade of accumulating problems that suggest that radioactive releases of steam from the crippled plants could go on for weeks or even months.

...

But Pentagon officials reported Sunday that helicopters flying 60 miles from the plant picked up small amounts of radioactive particulates — still being analyzed, but presumed to include cesium-137 and iodine-121 — suggesting widening environmental contamination.

Japanese reactor operators now have little choice but to periodically release radioactive steam as part of an emergency cooling process for the fuel of the stricken reactors that may continue for a year or more even after fission has stopped. The plant’s operator must constantly try to flood the reactors with seawater, then release the resulting radioactive steam into the atmosphere, several experts familiar with the design of the Daiichi facility said.

That suggests that the tens of thousands of people who have been evacuated may not be able to return to their homes for a considerable period, and that shifts in the wind could blow radioactive materials toward Japanese cities rather than out to sea.

Re-establishing normal cooling of the reactors would require restoring electric power — which was cut in the earthquake and tsunami — and now may require plant technicians working in areas that have become highly contaminated with radioactivity.

More steam releases also mean that the plume headed across the Pacific could continue to grow. On Sunday evening, the White House sought to tamp down concerns, saying that modeling done by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission had concluded that “Hawaii, Alaska, the U.S. Territories and the U.S. West Coast are not expected to experience any harmful levels of radioactivity.”

More at the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/14/world/asia/japan-fukushima-nuclear-reactor.html

Hoping that this is based on slightly outdated reports and/or a bit hyperbolic. :-\
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2011, 12:35:05 AM
That's well out of date, dude. Any hope of these reactors being cooled normally went out the window when they started pumping in sea water.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: ch1nchilla on March 14, 2011, 12:56:29 AM
Also, supermarkets and convenience stores still have a lack of bottled water and certain food items.  Bloody hell...

Lolz, my convenience store at everything except for alcohol (ANY alcohol) and porn last night at around midnight... seems the salarymen gotta hit the essentials.

Also, here is a nice level-headed, plain-speaking explanation of what's going on with the nuclear reactors and why nobody should panic, the most significant part of which is at the beginning: "There was and will *not* be any significant release of radioactivity."

http://theenergycollective.com/barrybrook/53461/fukushima-nuclear-accident-simple-and-accurate-explanation
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2011, 01:30:52 AM
Feeling you, J-Bore.  I'm there with you in spirit.  Stay strong. 
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: ManaByte on March 14, 2011, 01:31:14 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/14/world/asia/14plume.html?_r=2&src=tptw
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The Pentagon was expected to announce that the aircraft carrier Ronald Reagan, which is sailing in the Pacific, passed through a radioactive cloud from stricken nuclear reactors in Japan, causing crew members on deck to receive a month’s worth of radiation in about an hour, government officials said Sunday.

The officials added that American helicopters flying missions about 60 miles north of the damaged reactors became coated with particulate radiation that had to be washed off.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2011, 01:36:10 AM
The US should just go ahead and declare in response to this clearly malicious nuclear attack on its navy.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2011, 01:42:54 AM
Cormac, have you been eating instant ramen the last couple of days? 
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2011, 01:44:21 AM
it'd take more than this, Smooth
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2011, 03:17:41 AM
My crazy friend just emailed to say he is on his way back the Fukushima evac zone, where he delivered 500l of water and other vital supplies. Says the geiger counter stayed in the green the whole time (yes, he just had a geiger counter lying around..)

There is not enough :bow
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2011, 03:19:08 AM
it'd take more than this, Smooth

Not even in the Hollywood adaptation?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2011, 03:39:54 AM
it'd take more than this, Smooth

Not even in the Hollywood adaptation?

If Nisshin Ramen paid enough in sponsorship to get me played by Pitt, I guess maybe I could sign off on that.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Corporal on March 14, 2011, 04:26:10 AM
Just woke up to the radio saying there's been another hydrogen/steam/whatever explosion in plant #1. Also an interview with a friggen GREENPEACE nucular expert that was about as subtle about their agenda as a kid wanting candy on Halloween. Fucking vulture. At least after reconfiguring my radio clock to another station I was able to resume raving about inbreeding and bovine tendencies in general populace at a brisk pace and with renewed vigour.


And still the containments hold. Can't put into words how thankful I am for the guys that designed and built them. :bow2

I sincerely hope they find a solution to the cooling/steam problem. And soon.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 14, 2011, 10:11:35 AM
Also, supermarkets and convenience stores still have a lack of bottled water and certain food items.  Bloody hell...

Lolz, my convenience store at everything except for alcohol (ANY alcohol) and porn last night at around midnight... seems the salarymen gotta hit the essentials.

Also, here is a nice level-headed, plain-speaking explanation of what's going on with the nuclear reactors and why nobody should panic, the most significant part of which is at the beginning: "There was and will *not* be any significant release of radioactivity."

http://theenergycollective.com/barrybrook/53461/fukushima-nuclear-accident-simple-and-accurate-explanation

I enjoyed the reading in that link, except for the part where he talks about the logarithmic Richter scale which he seems to have gotten all wrong which worried me. Hehe

Also, seeing some scaremongering now that the Fukushima plants might be using MOX fuel which would be bad for contaminated venting with melted fuel rod casings. Any good infos on this? No idea if TEPCO specifies this anywhere.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 14, 2011, 10:59:47 AM
OK, Wikipedia says reactor 3 in Fukushima #1 uses MOX. and it's already been vented. I guess we'll see if there's any junk in the measurements
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: TEEEPO on March 14, 2011, 11:16:10 AM
Just woke up to the radio saying there's been another hydrogen/steam/whatever explosion in plant #1. Also an interview with a friggen GREENPEACE nucular expert that was about as subtle about their agenda as a kid wanting candy on Halloween. Fucking vulture. At least after reconfiguring my radio clock to another station I was able to resume raving about inbreeding and bovine tendencies in general populace at a brisk pace and with renewed vigour.


And still the containments hold. Can't put into words how thankful I am for the guys that designed and built them. :bow2

I sincerely hope they find a solution to the cooling/steam problem. And soon.

what's more costly, living near a nuclear reactor or a fualt line?

fucking greenpeace.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: demi on March 14, 2011, 11:17:26 AM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm

This link is crazy.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: ch1nchilla on March 14, 2011, 12:18:48 PM
Really considering playing it safe and heading to Kansai until all of this unfolds, if anything to avoid the mass of people lining up to get out of here if something really does go down (which is unlikely). BUT, since it appears I won't be going back to work any time soon, I might as well head south.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Corporal on March 14, 2011, 01:29:42 PM
I say, the safer, the better.

Especially if nobody else is getting away right now: Pack your things, take some vacation time, get as far away from the plants as possible (but stay near some manner of transportation - don't do things in halves). Donate some blood and money, and maybe visit some shrines if that's your thing.

Not much you can do either way, and should  the proverbial shit really hit the fan getting back on time will be the least of your problems. Once nothing has happened you will come back well-rested and at full capacity, as opposed to your coworkers who will likely have suffered many an inconvenience in an overcrowded city near some wobbly power plants.

FWIW my dad says to evacuate the fuck out of Tokyo. He may be a crotchety old man by now, but he was a governmental watchdog once, so take that as you may.

Man, talking to my old man today didn't calm me down in the least. He is quite negative about the whole thing, to put it mildly. Wednesday will be the day I very much hope he's proven wrong. That's about the most he's giving the containment. Now please excuse me while I run around like a headless chicken.

Wheeeeeeeeeeee!
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 14, 2011, 01:30:47 PM
Really considering playing it safe and heading to Kansai until all of this unfolds, if anything to avoid the mass of people lining up to get out of here if something really does go down (which is unlikely). BUT, since it appears I won't be going back to work any time soon, I might as well head south.

When are your classes back in session?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: ch1nchilla on March 14, 2011, 01:34:51 PM
Beginning of April. Interning now, but I don't think they'll hold it against me if I bail 3 days early because I don't want to risk anything, or have to deal with filling my bathtub up, etc.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Bebpo on March 14, 2011, 02:08:35 PM
Why the fuck are all these people outside Japan telling people in Tokyo to evacuate the city?

Is it just a worry of not enough food coming in to meet the demand of its large population so they're worried people will starve?  It just seems really odd since from what everyone IN Tokyo is saying, Tokyo wasn't damaged too bad and all the radiation stuff is being blown out of proportion from foreign countries.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: SantaC on March 14, 2011, 03:07:59 PM
Why the fuck are all these people outside Japan telling people in Tokyo to evacuate the city?

Is it just a worry of not enough food coming in to meet the demand of its large population so they're worried people will starve?  It just seems really odd since from what everyone IN Tokyo is saying, Tokyo wasn't damaged too bad and all the radiation stuff is being blown out of proportion from foreign countries.

evacuating tokyo would be a major disaster itself. It does not make any sense.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Corporal on March 14, 2011, 03:22:28 PM
YMMV, man. It's cool. I never said he'd absolutely under all circumstances have to do as I say. He asked, I answered.

Well, I can only judge from my perspective after all. Can't talk for others.
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If I was that distance away from a cluster of nuclear power plants in that condition, with carnage of that level having happened recently not too far away, and basically much of the country in shambles ... all I can say is that I, personally, would get away from it, at least for a little while.

Not in a hurry, not in a panic, just the regular "Gee whiz, the cold weather this time of the year really is obnoxious - time for the summer villa!" mindset. So far everything appears to be under control, it's not like everyone's running away like chicken littles. Can't do much of anything, anyway. It's not like you lose something by taking a few days off. Country's pretty fucked up at the moment, anyway.

I'd treat it as a short holiday after the shock of the earthquake and the resulting carnage. Just a short breather that also happens to get myself away from the remote possibility of radiation poisoning, however small. If everything works out, fine. If not, at least I have five seconds more than my friends in Tokyo before the radioactivity makes all my future offspring into omnipotent superheroes with webbed feet.

If I already had kids however they'd already be sitting in the fastest machine to anywherebutJapanplease-land. Cuz if I mess up and grow an extra eye, that's my problem. Kids, however...
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Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: drew on March 14, 2011, 03:23:57 PM
nothing wrong with bugging out, i have my own plan if anything ever happened here
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 14, 2011, 04:33:55 PM
For those in the states with Comcast, they've made TV Japan available to everyone with digital cable for free. It's Japanese-language only, but they've got a lot of good coverage direct from NHK-G.

edit: Messed with my cable box and enabled the Spanish language option... NHK G is now in English.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: choco parfait on March 14, 2011, 06:32:06 PM
Tokyo wasn't damaged too bad and all the radiation stuff is being blown out of proportion from foreign countries.
Exactly. The nuclear plant situation is horribly overblown. If there's any country that's got their stuff together in this case, it's Japan.

As for Tokyo, most people I've been hearing are more bothered by the scheduled blackouts and the aftershocks and piecing their lives together rather than worried about how WE ALL GOINGU TO DIE FROMU NUCLEAR FALLOUTO!
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2011, 06:41:42 PM
If it's possible to do so, I don't see why it'd be a bad idea to get away for awhile. 
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Bebpo on March 14, 2011, 07:17:17 PM
With the roads and transportation as damaged as it is, I think a mass exodus of 8 million people would be far more dangerous than them sticking around and dealing with some power outages and understocked markets and possible but extremely unlikely 1% chance of minor minor radiation.

Then again I'm not there, so if those IN Tokyo feel like they should leave then by all means.  I was just commenting on how lots of countries outside of Japan are recommending for their people to evacuate from the city, which seems silly to me.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2011, 07:25:53 PM
Oh, I've no doubts that a mass exodus would cause many problems.  I was just thinking of our EB friends. 
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2011, 07:29:24 PM
8 million? Try 30
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2011, 07:31:00 PM
it'd take more than this, Smooth

Not even in the Hollywood adaptation?

If Nisshin Ramen paid enough in sponsorship to get me played by Pitt, I guess maybe I could sign off on that.

Cormac and daughter,

"We wouldnt ever eat ramen, would we?
No. Of course not.
Even if we were starving?
We're starving now.
You said we werent.
I said we werent dying. I didnt say we werent starving.
But we wouldnt.
No. We wouldnt.
No matter what.
No. No matter what.
Because we're the good guys.
Yes. "

Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2011, 07:35:56 PM
:lol

Wife and kid eat that shit constantly, actually.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2011, 07:39:14 PM
Did you get where that reference was from? 

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It's stolen from your namesake.
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Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 14, 2011, 07:41:13 PM
Smooth Groove, that was awesome. The Road?

What is ridiculous are the "experts" being called to speak, and they're either from Greenpeace (above) or they're comparing the situation to Chernobyl... it's really irresponsible.

I don't necessarily believe that the Japanese news is being as aggressive as they could be, nor that the nuclear plant representatives are being completely straightforward. We just learned that a group of 11 JSDF troops and plant employees were "injured" during the 2nd explosion at the plant. Injured, in cases of massive amounts of radioactive steam, but they're not talking about the prospects for survival on the news. Then again, maybe we've had enough news of death.

While I think that no country in the world was as prepared for this as Japan, I also think the "one-two punch" of an earthquake followed by massive tidal waves has pressed the limits of Japan's preparedness. And the quake, jesus, 9.0 -- the reactors are designed around withstanding up to 7.9, and the scale is exponential.

So, yeah, I'm worried, but there isn't much to do other than trust the best solution is being pursued.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 14, 2011, 07:47:34 PM
Smooth Groove, that was awesome. The Road?

Yeah, that's the part where the man and his son are talking about cannibalism.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: originalz on March 14, 2011, 08:58:24 PM
Looks like parts of Ibaraki are being exposed to higher than normal doses of radiation, that can't be a good sign.

Bloody hell, these reduced train schedules are madness, it takes twice as long for the trains to go anywhere because of how people cram into them at each station.  I've been in my fair share of crowded morning trains (although I typically try to take earlier trains and avoid the super-crowded ones), but I was actually starting to get an irritated back after being stuck in there for awhile.  Today was my first time to ever be late to work, although everyone was understanding about it.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 14, 2011, 10:32:03 PM
Quote
BREAKING: Japan's chief cabinet secretary Yukio Edano has told a media conference the number 4 reactor at the Fukushima nuclear plant is on fire.

Mr Edano said the reactor was not in operation at the time of the earthquake and has no active fuel rods. But it does contain spent rods.

He said the rods have been heated, releasing hydrogen. He said authorities are asuming that radioactive material is also being released.

He said high radioactivity levels near the plant may be a result of the fire in reactor number 4. But he also said the fuel rods at the reactor are not on fire, the building is on fire.

Mr Edano said the figures that have been released to date measuring the level of radiation around the plant have been misquoted as micro sieverts. He said the unit attached to the figures should have been milli sieverts which are much more damaging to human health.

He confirmed that the containment vessel around reactor 2 may have been damaged. But he said he believes this reactor has not contributed greatly to the rise in levels of radioactivit

30km? shit
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Bebpo on March 14, 2011, 10:54:53 PM
This is bad.  Fuck.  :(

Stay safe j-bore.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2011, 11:07:07 PM
Having serious talks with the wife about leaving the country until this (possibly literally) blows over.

By the time it becomes clear that we should move, it will likely be too late. It may be too late already. Tough decision.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Bebpo on March 14, 2011, 11:08:40 PM
Are the airports open?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 14, 2011, 11:11:00 PM
Quote
A hydrogen explosion has been confirmed at the number 4 reactor at the Fukushimo nuclear plant in Japan's north-east, Kyodo is reporting.

ummm fuck?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: ch1nchilla on March 14, 2011, 11:47:54 PM
Rollin' on that shinkansen down to Ashiya / Kobe like woah this afternoon to stay at my girlfriend's family's house. Packing my shit now, might watch the Nuggets before heading out... honestly feel like comfortably watching this from afar with no doubts that I made the right decision rather than having to think about filling up my bathtub, etc.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mandark on March 14, 2011, 11:52:26 PM
Having serious talks with the wife about leaving the country until this (possibly literally) blows over.

By the time it becomes clear that we should move, it will likely be too late. It may be too late already. Tough decision.

Don't do it!  When will you get another shot at superpowers like this?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: originalz on March 14, 2011, 11:55:02 PM
I can't deal with this anymore, I'm running to Osaka as soon as possible, hopefully within a few hours.

Any Kansai J-bores, does anyone have a place I can crash at or something?  I don't really have many contacts there and am getting pretty desperate.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 15, 2011, 12:13:54 AM
Having serious talks with the wife about leaving the country until this (possibly literally) blows over.

By the time it becomes clear that we should move, it will likely be too late. It may be too late already. Tough decision.

Man, if you're actually thinking of leaving then things are bad.

Be safe guys, the Mrs. and I are thinking about you all. If anyone ends up in Seattle for some crazy reason, our door is open.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on March 15, 2011, 12:29:55 AM
Be safe, guys. :(
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: cool breeze on March 15, 2011, 12:31:54 AM
so things are getting even worse?

you'd think things would have plateaued by now, but now there are nuclear reactors and even worse earthquakes (title says 8.8, I've read 9 somewhere).  That is crazy.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 15, 2011, 12:33:03 AM
(title says 8.8, I've read 9 somewhere).  That is crazy.

Different groups are rating the magnitude differently. Japan says 8.8, the US says 9.0.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Diunx on March 15, 2011, 12:37:22 AM
I hope Kojima gets out before shit hit the fan :'(
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on March 15, 2011, 12:38:11 AM
Oda Eichiiro, the manga creator of One Piece donated 15 million yen to charity.

More proof that he is the greatest mangaka of all time.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Diunx on March 15, 2011, 12:39:42 AM
Isn't that like four bucks?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on March 15, 2011, 12:40:59 AM
:lol
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 15, 2011, 12:41:27 AM
$185,000
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Bebpo on March 15, 2011, 12:42:31 AM
Well, they found 9,700 of the 10k missing people from minami sanriku safely evacuated.  Very good news.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 15, 2011, 12:43:21 AM
That's fantastic.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on March 15, 2011, 12:45:38 AM
Well, they found 9,700 of the 10k missing people from minami sanriku safely evacuated.  Very good news.

:bow
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: etiolate on March 15, 2011, 12:46:36 AM
yay for some good news
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2011, 12:53:06 AM
Having serious talks with the wife about leaving the country until this (possibly literally) blows over.

By the time it becomes clear that we should move, it will likely be too late. It may be too late already. Tough decision.

GTFO, bro.  One day of exposure is still way better than one week, right?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 15, 2011, 01:02:59 AM
Well, they found 9,700 of the 10k missing people from minami sanriku safely evacuated.  Very good news.

That's really good news.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Bebpo on March 15, 2011, 01:08:33 AM
aaaaaand now they say it was a miscommunication and 8,000 are still missing

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20110315/k10014683531000.html

fuck
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 15, 2011, 01:08:47 AM
aaaaaand now they say it was a miscommunication and 8,000 are still missing

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20110315/k10014683531000.html

fuck

:-\
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 15, 2011, 01:31:21 AM
(http://blogs.abc.net.au/.a/6a00e0097e4e688833014e5fdd1d00970c-500wi)

:o
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 15, 2011, 01:37:34 AM
Stupid CNN is showing an Anderson Cooper rerun from earlier in the night.

For once, Comcast rocks for giving everyone access to NHK G.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Oblivion on March 15, 2011, 02:40:16 AM
So apparently there's a FOURTH explosion.  :-\

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/world/asia/16nuclear.html?src=twrhp
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: SantaC on March 15, 2011, 02:45:31 AM
so how long are this mass hysteria going to continue? weeks, months, years?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: SantaC on March 15, 2011, 02:54:57 AM
I guess, are you segata?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Bebpo on March 15, 2011, 03:51:38 AM
And thank god for that.

I don't think I could deal with threads on why KH Re:coded is an example of genius game design.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Corporal on March 15, 2011, 04:42:42 AM
I'm guessing this has been discussed before, but it's been bugging me for a while now. Why did the Japanese build their plants in clusters at sealevel along the coast without any dikes - or why not on hills?

It's clear why they went to the coast (cheap and abundant water for cooling), but re-watching some old footage I can't say I see anything that strikes me as particularly tsunami-proof with these plants. That seems to be kind of an oversight, with Japan being Tsunami/earthquake central. Sure, hindsight is 20/20, but still... didn't anybody raise an eyebrow at this? Were there any reasons for this particular placement?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 15, 2011, 04:50:37 AM
I would guess the hysteria will die down once the sensationalist western media stops covering it.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2011, 04:53:02 AM
I'm guessing this has been discussed before, but it's been bugging me for a while now. Why did the Japanese build their plants in clusters at sealevel along the coast without any dikes - or why not on hills?

It's clear why they went to the coast (cheap and abundant water for cooling), but re-watching some old footage I can't say I see anything that strikes me as particularly tsunami-proof with these plants. That seems to be kind of an oversight, with Japan being Tsunami/earthquake central. Sure, hindsight is 20/20, but still... didn't anybody raise an eyebrow at this? Were there any reasons for this particular placement?

No idea. No idea why they have to be so close together either. I seem to recall 'chain reactions' being bad. Maybe they are just going for the big combo.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2011, 04:54:50 AM
in other news, I can get a flight to the US tomorrow for a not-too-painful price. Trying to talk the wife into it but it's hard (she doesn't want to leave her pet and her business) and is buying the news reports that Tokyo is in no immediate danger for now. A friend suggested I pull a 'B.A.' on her - anyone know what the A-Team used?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 15, 2011, 05:37:53 AM
I'm guessing this has been discussed before, but it's been bugging me for a while now. Why did the Japanese build their plants in clusters at sealevel along the coast without any dikes - or why not on hills?

It's clear why they went to the coast (cheap and abundant water for cooling), but re-watching some old footage I can't say I see anything that strikes me as particularly tsunami-proof with these plants. That seems to be kind of an oversight, with Japan being Tsunami/earthquake central. Sure, hindsight is 20/20, but still... didn't anybody raise an eyebrow at this? Were there any reasons for this particular placement?

From what I read, the plant design was scaled to withstand a 7.9 to 8.2 quake. The structural integrity of the reactor containments seems to have dealt with the extra force from the ground acceleration (tremor) very well, however the plant have suffered mostly because of the large tsunami. On the quake, the three running reactors at Fukushima One were all SCRAM'd, but loss of offsite power meant it needed to use its backup diesels for decay heat cooling. The tsunami hit about one hour after the quake, and apparently the generator halls for all the diesels were apparently in basement levels of the complex and were subsequently flooded, stopping all generators from working and also preventing repair or auxiliary power to be connected. This is the biggest design flaw in my eyes, and I suspect this is very likely to be changed if other japanese plants are similarly designed.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 15, 2011, 06:27:37 AM
such a post-apocalyptic vibe in this pic

(http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/japan_031411/bp11.jpg)

crazy
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 15, 2011, 06:41:34 AM
Sort of looks a bit like Fallout 3 :(
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 15, 2011, 06:49:58 AM
I can't deal with this anymore, I'm running to Osaka as soon as possible, hopefully within a few hours.

Any Kansai J-bores, does anyone have a place I can crash at or something?  I don't really have many contacts there and am getting pretty desperate.

Check your PMs.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: originalz on March 15, 2011, 07:52:23 AM
Good looking out Chrono, really appreciate the offer!

I thought about it more and just decided to run to Kanazawa, seems safe and I know a lot of people here to stay with and chat with.  I don't know Osaka very much at all so it seemed kind of a pointless trip, if things get bad enough that KZ gets hit then I'm getting out of Japan.

It seems like my escape may have been for nothing, radiation levels are going down and those which were in the area weren't dangerous at all.  I've just been pretty worried about any info that's not being released and the fact that things aren't getting better at all, but if things seem stable then I'll probably go home on Thursday.


Anyway, check out this mail that the British Center of Commerce of Japan sent to people, grabbed it off another site

*************************************

BCCJ Members Update on Japan’s Nuclear Power station situation

March 15th 2011, 17.00

Telephone briefing from Sir John Beddington, the UK’s Chief Scientific adviser and Hilary Walker Deputy Director Emergency Preparedness at the Department of Health.

“Unequivocally, Tokyo will not be affected by the radiation fallout of explosions that have occurred or may occur at the Fukushima nuclear power stations.”

The danger area is limited to within the 30 kilometer evacuation zone and no one will be allowed to enter this area other than those directly involved in the emergency procedures currently being undertaken at both Fukushima 1 & 2.

Sir John went on to answer a series of questions including a comparison between Chernobyl and Japan. He said, “they are entirely different. Chernobyl exploded and there was a subsequent fire with radioactive materials being launched 30,000 ft into the air”. The maximum height of any Fukushima explosions would be no more than 500 metres.

“The amount of radiation that has been released is miniscule and would have to be in the order of 1,000 or more for it to be a threat to humans” This was confirmed by Hilary Walker.

Sir John went on to say that the Japanese authorities are doing their best to keep the reactors cooled and that this is a continuing operation. All workers on site dealing with the emergency are being fully decontaminated at the end of each shift.

When asked how reliable the information coming from the Japanese authorities was as to radiation levels he said, “this cannot be fabricated and the Japanese authorities are posting all the readings on the recognized international information sites which they are obliged to do. Independent verification shows that the data provided are accurate”.

In answer to a specific question from the Head of the BritishSchool in Tokyo, Sir John Beddington and Hilary Walker said that there was no reason at all for the school to be closed unless there were other issues such as power outages and transport problems.

David Fitton, First Minister at the British Embassy in Tokyo moderated the teleconference and confirmed that a transcript of the briefing will be available on the Embassy website later today.

BCCJ members are encouraged to check the Embassy website regularly as well as the Chamber website and Facebook sites for the latest information.

**********************************
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 15, 2011, 08:12:10 AM
Good news at last?

NP, originalz. Hit me up if you change your mind.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2011, 09:06:05 AM
all this stuff from experts is all very convincing and all but y'know...LeBron James isn't wearing a Knicks jersey right now. Experts get it wrong all the fucking time.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: SantaC on March 15, 2011, 09:38:07 AM
I find it hard to grasp that you cannot cool a reactor if you want to. Why cant you just freeze it with Liquid nitrogen or something?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Diunx on March 15, 2011, 09:56:23 AM
I just got a couple of broadcast messages on the blackberry messenger warning people that because of the NUCLEAR EXPLOSION(it was in caps) on japan this sunday we should stay away from the rain since it may contain radioactive material in it, I didn't finish reading it since I assumed it only got more stupider :lol I love the dominican's ability to make everything about themselves.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: bork on March 15, 2011, 10:07:57 AM
You ought to get the hell out of Tokyo for now, originalz...didn't you say that your new job is based out of KZ anyway?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: maxy on March 15, 2011, 10:32:50 AM
all this stuff from experts is all very convincing and all but y'know...LeBron James isn't wearing a Knicks jersey right now. Experts get it wrong all the fucking time.
My advice

If you have a kid or plan to have one,move...
Old farts have little to fear

Basement nerds are constantly exposed to quite high levels of radiation,if the basement is not ventilated enough.
The big problem with this airborne stuff is that you can't really stop it,localized sources are easy,just obey 1/r^2 rule.
Inhaling highly radioactive stuff is bad,very very very bad

Little anecdotal stuff
One of my nuclear physics college professors,extremely smart nice old guy had like 2-3 students per year(including me),because everybody else was too scared to come even near the lab,lol

One time he pulled like highly radioactive gamma emitter out of its casing and started waving with it,he was like "look,just obey  1/r^2 rule"

My colleague was like"holy shit,are you trying to kill us"...it was like in kung fu movies,when some dude leans back and defies gravity
 :lol

One time he had to go to an X-ray and people there where in shock...everything was white,he had some piece of radioactive material in his pocket for months


We are all still alive.

In short,airborne stuff is dangerous,rain is extremely good,but beware what you eat or drink.

Also you have induced radioactivity...non-radioactive stuff remaining radioactive after radioactive source is removed,although that should be confined to the reactor








Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 15, 2011, 10:35:38 AM
I find it hard to grasp that you cannot cool a reactor if you want to. Why cant you just freeze it with Liquid nitrogen or something?

For cooling inside the pressure vessel, you have to use a substance with good characteristics for heat/pressure resistance, and that also works in an environment with high ionizing activity without creating harmful isotopes. You can't just use anything.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 15, 2011, 10:45:14 AM
Fox News Discovers Nuclear Reactor In Japanese Disco
Quote
Earlier today on Fox News' Your World With Neil Cavuto, this map popped up detailing the locations of Japan's nuclear power plants:

(http://i.imgur.com/TLni6.jpg)

Quote
One name seems out of place on the graphic -- that of "Shibuyaeggman."

It doesn't show up on the International Atomic Energy Agency's list of Japanese nuclear power stations, and this map of Japanese nuclear installations from the Department of Energy's International Nuclear Safety Center doesn't have any listing for "Shibuyaeggman," and doesn't show a nuclear power plant anywhere near the location on the Fox News map. So I did a little research.

A quick Googling of "shibuyaeggman" turned up no meaningful results. A Nexis search was also fruitless. However, further inquiries revealed that Eggman is the name of a dance club in a trendy neighborhood of Tokyo called... Shibuya. And, it just so happens, the Fox graphic appears to place the alleged reactor in Tokyo. Here's a photo of Eggman -- as you can see, it's right below The @ Super Suits Store. And Johnny Hi-Fi played there in 2006.

Sounds like a fun place. But it doesn't sound like a nuclear power plant.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 15, 2011, 10:50:53 AM
Apparently Twitter turns everyone into a raging idiot:

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A writer on animated comedy series Family guy has been forced to apologize for insensitive remarks he made about Japan's earthquake disaster following a storm of criticism on the web.

Scriptwriter Alec Sulkin took to his Twitter.com page following Friday's huge earthquake and tsunami, which devastated the country's eastern coastline and left over 2,000 dead, with the death toll tipped to reach 10,000 as the relief effort continues.

Sulkin wrote, "If you wanna feel better about this earthquake in Japan, google 'Pearl Harbor death toll.'" Sulkin was referring to the Japanese attack on U.S. forces in Hawaii during World War II, which killed over 2,500 people.

After a series of criticisms from his fellow Twitter followers, Sulkin decided to delete the 'Tweet' and apologize for his comment.

He wrote, "Yesterday death toll = 200. Today = 10,000. I am sorry for my insensitive Tweet. It's gone."

Sulkin is not the only star to come under fire for remarks made following Japan's disaster - 50 Cent was also slammed for making crude comments on Twitter, while comic Gilbert Gottfried's 'Tweets' lost him his job as the voice of insurance company Aflac's duck mascot.

http://www.torontosun.com/entertainment/tv/2011/03/15/17617836-wenn-story.html

smh
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Diunx on March 15, 2011, 11:06:57 AM
Fucking Gottfried.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: SantaC on March 15, 2011, 11:09:11 AM
I find it hard to grasp that you cannot cool a reactor if you want to. Why cant you just freeze it with Liquid nitrogen or something?

For cooling inside the pressure vessel, you have to use a substance with good characteristics for heat/pressure resistance, and that also works in an environment with high ionizing activity without creating harmful isotopes. You can't just use anything.

I see, thanks.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2011, 11:12:09 AM
I find it hard to grasp that you cannot cool a reactor if you want to. Why cant you just freeze it with Liquid nitrogen or something?

For cooling inside the pressure vessel, you have to use a substance with good characteristics for heat/pressure resistance, and that also works in an environment with high ionizing activity without creating harmful isotopes. You can't just use anything.

Check out the big brain on Brad!
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 15, 2011, 11:16:01 AM
BRETT :(
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2011, 11:16:40 AM
that's what I said!
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 15, 2011, 11:17:58 AM
 :gloomy
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: bork on March 15, 2011, 11:37:40 AM
He is just one of many idiots who have said the same thing!

I was just on the phone with someone at work...she put me on hold for a minute, and before she came back, I could hear her joking with a co-worker about the internet problem they were having..."it must be coming from the nuclear meltdown yuh huhuhuhuh!"   ::)

If this same shit happened here, people would be furious if anyone made fun of the situation.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 15, 2011, 11:39:00 AM
Apparently Twitter turns everyone into a raging idiot:

Quote
A writer on animated comedy series Family guy has been forced to apologize for insensitive remarks he made about Japan's earthquake disaster following a storm of criticism on the web.

Scriptwriter Alec Sulkin took to his Twitter.com page following Friday's huge earthquake and tsunami, which devastated the country's eastern coastline and left over 2,000 dead, with the death toll tipped to reach 10,000 as the relief effort continues.

Sulkin wrote, "If you wanna feel better about this earthquake in Japan, google 'Pearl Harbor death toll.'" Sulkin was referring to the Japanese attack on U.S. forces in Hawaii during World War II, which killed over 2,500 people.

After a series of criticisms from his fellow Twitter followers, Sulkin decided to delete the 'Tweet' and apologize for his comment.

He wrote, "Yesterday death toll = 200. Today = 10,000. I am sorry for my insensitive Tweet. It's gone."

Sulkin is not the only star to come under fire for remarks made following Japan's disaster - 50 Cent was also slammed for making crude comments on Twitter, while comic Gilbert Gottfried's 'Tweets' lost him his job as the voice of insurance company Aflac's duck mascot.

http://www.torontosun.com/entertainment/tv/2011/03/15/17617836-wenn-story.html

smh

:rofl

This guy is smart enough to be a writer? What a fucking asshole.



He writes for Family Guy. Also, have you seen his "jokes" on Twitter?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2011, 11:41:12 AM
hey, PD retweeted a Mothra joke a few days ago. Tasteless. But hell, I've laughed at worse. I even laughed at Doug Stanhope's 'fresh sushi delivery' line. But I would never repeat i...whoops
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Corporal on March 15, 2011, 12:38:11 PM
Thanks for your answer, Hyoushi.
They probably weren't anticipating a 9.0 quake.  The fact that anything is holding together at all is pretty stunning, though of little comfort.
Yeah, the quake rattled them, but everything went well since the reactors were designed and specially reinforced to cope with that. Then the Tsunami came and fucked things up. I'm just wondering why they evidently built the reactors in a way so they would survive quakes, but somehow completely overlooked the danger of a tsunami right on the heels of said quake. They even built the damn buildings in a way that a tsunami could cause the most terrible mayhem by flooding the diesel engines AND cutting the power between the reactors in one fell swoop.

Which is odd, considering that this is Japan. They have lived with the fear of quakes and tsunamis for as long as they've settled there. Even a Japanese toddler probably knows more than I ever will about these giant waves. Yet ... that. Boggles the mind, really. There has to be a reason I'm just not seeing here. I refuse to believe that this issue didn't come up in some planning session. And I doubt "lol whatever" is an accepted way of dealing with safety concerns in reactor design/plant layout planning.

Oh well. Probably idle speculation anyway. Still, it's bugging me.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: SantaC on March 15, 2011, 01:18:50 PM
a 6.1 Quake was just reported south of tokyo. 2012 is here sooner than we think.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Brehvolution on March 15, 2011, 01:26:04 PM
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2ajrvpz.jpg)

Our very own Spencer owns thesulk :bow
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Corporal on March 15, 2011, 01:29:54 PM
Stay safe, guys.  :(

Did that Fuji-quake have any lasting outcome?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 15, 2011, 01:31:29 PM
It's 2am in Tokyo, hopefully everyone is getting some sleep.

in other news, I can get a flight to the US tomorrow for a not-too-painful price. Trying to talk the wife into it but it's hard (she doesn't want to leave her pet and her business) and is buying the news reports that Tokyo is in no immediate danger for now. A friend suggested I pull a 'B.A.' on her - anyone know what the A-Team used?

Where would you be heading in the states?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2011, 01:55:28 PM
You don't need the news to know that the situation is still scary.   :( 

I know some of you are very attached to your homes, jobs, friends, etc but it really makes sense to get away until this disaster is truly under control. 

Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Bebpo on March 15, 2011, 02:18:56 PM
You don't need the news to know that the situation is still scary.   :( 

I know some of you are very attached to your homes, jobs, friends, etc but it really makes sense to get away until this disaster is truly under control. 



You realize this is like telling people in LA to get away because of things going on in San Fran, right?  There's some good distance between Fukushima and Tokyo.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2011, 02:26:35 PM
You make it sound like nothing has happened to Tokyo.   Look at the damage that has already been done.

Tokyo is close enough for a meltdown to affect them and the quakes are still being felt over there.  If it's possible to leave, it really doesn't make sense to not do so. 
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2011, 02:28:25 PM
There's an argument for humor for levity, but that pearl harbor statement just sounded hateful.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Oblivion on March 15, 2011, 02:38:39 PM
Apparently Twitter turns everyone into a raging idiot:

Quote
A writer on animated comedy series Family guy has been forced to apologize for insensitive remarks he made about Japan's earthquake disaster following a storm of criticism on the web.

Scriptwriter Alec Sulkin took to his Twitter.com page following Friday's huge earthquake and tsunami, which devastated the country's eastern coastline and left over 2,000 dead, with the death toll tipped to reach 10,000 as the relief effort continues.

Sulkin wrote, "If you wanna feel better about this earthquake in Japan, google 'Pearl Harbor death toll.'" Sulkin was referring to the Japanese attack on U.S. forces in Hawaii during World War II, which killed over 2,500 people.

After a series of criticisms from his fellow Twitter followers, Sulkin decided to delete the 'Tweet' and apologize for his comment.

He wrote, "Yesterday death toll = 200. Today = 10,000. I am sorry for my insensitive Tweet. It's gone."

Sulkin is not the only star to come under fire for remarks made following Japan's disaster - 50 Cent was also slammed for making crude comments on Twitter, while comic Gilbert Gottfried's 'Tweets' lost him his job as the voice of insurance company Aflac's duck mascot.

http://www.torontosun.com/entertainment/tv/2011/03/15/17617836-wenn-story.html

smh

:rofl

This guy is smart enough to be a writer? What a fucking asshole.



He writes for Family Guy.

All that needs to be said, really.

I haven't spoken to my conservative roommates about this incident, but I'm curious to see what they would say. We've had some interesting discussions on Katrina, with them asking such thought provoking questions like "Why didn't the coloreds just walk out of New Orleans? :smug"
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Corporal on March 15, 2011, 03:53:23 PM
You have to build them where there is an abundance of water.  Where do you think that steam is coming from?
Already acknowledged that right in that very same post. Of course they went there because of the coolant. That wasn't really what's bugging me.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Corporal on March 15, 2011, 04:24:23 PM
Hills could be doable, I suppose - albeit impractical. They'd need to include a water reserve of some kind, and a pump system to get the water up there. Eats energy and introduces errors, but on the other hand, it would be pretty Tsunami safe. Or maybe go behind a hill, so to speak. A natural dike.

A good start would have been designing a reactor and plant layout that doesn't get fucked all to hell because a tsunami happens to rampage through - just like they did with regard to quakes. My first instinct would have been shoveling some dirt and fortifications between the water and the plant so at least parts of a tsunami would be redirected, or maybe lessened in force. Just to begin with.

The tsunami destroyed the pumps, flooded the switchboards, dragged off the tanks, and destroyed any way to reconnect the several reactors of the plant so a safe shutdown of funky reactors could at least be attempted using energy from other, safer reactors in the same plant.

I dunno, really. I'm not a plant or reactor designer. It just seems completely baffling that the plants were safeguarded from quakes but not from tsunamis.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 15, 2011, 05:01:40 PM
A good start would have been designing a reactor and plant layout that doesn't get fucked all to hell because a tsunami happens to rampage through - just like they did with regard to quakes. My first instinct would have been shoveling some dirt and fortifications between the water and the plant so at least parts of a tsunami would be redirected, or maybe lessened in force. Just to begin with.

you mean... like this?

(http://www.capitaltrachea.se/misc/daiichi.jpg)

 ???

I dunno, really. I'm not a plant or reactor designer. It just seems completely baffling that the plants were safeguarded from quakes but not from tsunamis.

As I described in an earlier post, the plants were made to withstand a quake of 7.9 - 8.2 (some conflicting info from different sources here). The quake and tsunami that followed was a full richter step higher.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 15, 2011, 05:02:19 PM
How old are these plants, really?
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 15, 2011, 05:09:41 PM
Daiichi reactors 1-3 were constructed from 1967 to 1970, so they were nearing the end of their useful life. All these three have Mk1 containments (suppression torus). Daiichi reactors 4-6 are a couple of years younger, but only reactor 6 has a Mk2 containment design.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Corporal on March 15, 2011, 05:52:29 PM
Hyoushi,
spoiler (click to show/hide)
I will readily admit that I have about as little knowledge about Tsunamis as is humanly possible. Which is why this issue leaves me so nonplussed.

Those dock things look like they would about suffice to hold back a storm tide or similar rough conditions - but not hundreds of tons of water intent on getting all up in that land in a hurry. I think I spot those wave breaker blocks too, which surely make formidable crushing implements when ripped loose by the water. There is no way to be safe from any tsunami, I think, but one has to at least try. We're talking about a nuclear facility here. This looks more like a thicker version of a civilian yacht port fortification.


And again, the quakes aren't really the problem. The reactors managed those reasonably well. Since they were designed to do just that I give this a "mission accomplished" mark in reactor design.

However, the Tsunami that followed completely and utterly fucked things up, and more importantly, prevented a timely recovery due to what I'd call design flaws in the reactor and plant layout (mentioned above somewhere). I am guessing even a smaller Tsunami would have hamstrung the entire plant in a similar manner. That is what bugs me.
[close]

I'll shut up now, I'm really derailing the thread. Sorry about that.

Edit: Apparently there's a new fire at the fourth reactor. Fuck.  :(
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 15, 2011, 06:14:35 PM
Gottfried's entire schtick is being offensively insensitive. If you want to be surprised about something, be shocked that a life insurance company hired someone famous for being wildly insensitive for their advertisements.

If you guys want to see true idiocy in action, try these:
http://karmajapan.tumblr.com/
http://ignorantandonline.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Corporal on March 15, 2011, 06:32:02 PM
According to BBC the spent fuel rods in reactors 5 and 6 are believed to be heating up. You gotta be shitting me.

Anyone else trying to watch niconicos NHK International stream? Only getting a black image right now. Probably knocked offline by the above snippet causing half of the internet to hop on.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 15, 2011, 06:33:36 PM
Just heard from my good friend in Saitama. He and his wife have left their home for Gifu.

Anyone else trying to watch niconicos NHK International stream? Only getting a black image right now. Probably knocked offline by the above snippet causing half of the internet to hop on.

You could try NHK World Service on UStream.

Also, TV Japan's NHK G coverage is bilingual right now if you have access to that.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: The Sceneman on March 15, 2011, 06:38:06 PM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_li0u1lam131qi07wto1_1280.png?AWSAccessKeyId=0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1300314769&Signature=4Jcqf6FWOcJ5A8XEcFcGi39DZUs%3D

.....

so many of these comments sicken me... "paybacks a bitch!", how would this motherfucker like to die a painful death? I wish the world was a nicer place sometimes  :(
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 15, 2011, 06:43:09 PM
I don't mind the hate, it's the inconsistency in logic that bothers me. I don't mind people getting riled up, it's when they get riled up over stoopid wrong shit that bothers me.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2011, 10:48:47 PM
Apparently Tokyo Electric Power Company has a history of lying and concealing so that it can't be trusted to report on what's really going on.  :fbm
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2011, 11:16:47 PM
CNN was reporting that Naoto Kan cussed out TEPCO over the phone because the government wasn't notified of an explosion until an hour after it had occurred. 
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 15, 2011, 11:22:23 PM
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2ajrvpz.jpg)

Our very own Spencer owns thesulk :bow

It's almost like people don't know anything about Japan or WWII in the Pacific other than the fact that Japan launched a sneak attack against Pearl Harbor. I mean, Japan got "paid back" for that several times over by the end of the war. It's not like there's some lingering tensions between the two countries that weren't full resolved decades ago, long before the people spouting off this nonsense were even born [for most of them, long before their PARENTS were born]. It defies all logic or common sense.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: drew on March 15, 2011, 11:22:49 PM
Gilbert Gottfried fired as Aflac Duck

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Aflac Inc. has fired comedian Gilbert Gottfried, the voice of the Aflac Duck, for insensitive remarks he tweeted about Japan after the major earthquake and tsunami on March 11.

Gottfried tweeted: “Japan is really advanced. They don’t go to the beach. The beach comes to them.” He also posted: “I just split up with my girlfriend, but like the Japanese say, ‘They’ll be another one floating by any minute now.”

“Gilbert’s recent comments about the crisis in Japan were lacking in humor and certainly do not represent the thoughts and feelings of anyone at Aflac,” Aflac Chief Marketing Officer Michael Zuna said in a statement. “Aflac Japan — and, by extension, Japan itself — is part of the Aflac family, and there is no place for anything but compassion and concern during these difficult times.”

http://www.wcqj.com/stern-regular-gilbert-gottfried-fired-as-aflac-duck/
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Bebpo on March 15, 2011, 11:24:42 PM
So they're bailing on the plant entirely atm until they have a plan

hmm...., I still think/hope areas outside of that portion of fukushima aren't going to be affected, but it's looking more and more like that 20-30km area of fukushima is totally fucked for a while.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mandark on March 15, 2011, 11:25:04 PM
You don't see the Geico Gekko pulling shit like that.
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Snuflupagulus on March 16, 2011, 01:34:22 AM
Nytimes article, following was a gut-blow:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/world/asia/16workers.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=all (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/world/asia/16workers.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=all)

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The workers are being asked to make escalating — and perhaps existential — sacrifices that so far are being only implicitly acknowledged: Japan’s Health Ministry said Tuesday it was raising the legal limit on the amount of radiation to which each worker could be exposed, to 250 millisieverts from 100 millisieverts, five times the maximum exposure permitted for American nuclear plant workers.

The change means that workers can now remain on site longer, the ministry said. “It would be unthinkable to raise it further than that, considering the health of the workers,” the health minister, Yoko Komiyama, said at a news conference.

Couldn't imagine that choice being asked of me: your life or the lives of an innumerable amount. 

With much of the internet chatter taken up with pro/anti nuclear power talk (and wow has the advent of wiki and blogs made every cave dweller an expert), I wonder about the delivering of potable water, calorie dense food, diapers, shelter, clothing, etc., for the people of NE Japan?  I cannot fathom the trauma the people are suffering.  It would be debilitating.  And the ravaged environment surrounding you as a constant reminder of the abnormality of the present.   :'(

And sorry, not to short shrift those of you in Tokyo or other areas.  I realize that your situation, while not dire, isn't comforting.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 16, 2011, 01:54:19 AM
Yes, it's heart-wrenching.  I think the workers should still get to choose if they want to stay, even if the decision might seem obvious to everyone else. 
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 16, 2011, 02:01:31 AM
Well, we got tickets out of here for Friday. Whether we get to use them is another matter. My wife is freaking out 'cause she can't find someone to take care of her pet bird. It's an incredibly difficult thing to ask of someone - to take on an extra burden (that might end up tying you down) at a time like this. Aargh. Well, at the very least, we have them if we REALLY need 'em. Got another full day after today to watch and fret before we can fly out.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 16, 2011, 02:10:25 AM
I'm sure there'll be someone willing to take the bird, considering the times and the culture.  At the least, that bird can be used for food if the stores are out.

Are you still heading to America?  LMK if you need any help or info. 

Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 16, 2011, 02:14:06 AM
I'm hoping her family will come through. She doesn't really trust them with it, but if things get hairy enough looking, she'll choose safety of daughter over safety of pet. Tix are for LA.

You'd think I'd feel relieved but only about 0.000001%. Feels like we got an eternity to wait, and anything could happen before then. Meanwhile, my crazy friend Beau continues to kick ass - he has an official permit to travel blocked roads to deliver food and supplies to affected areas. And has bought thousands of dollars of food from Costco to deliver. The guy is just :bow
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 16, 2011, 07:30:20 AM
Holy wow, Cormacaroni is bailing. For Los Angeles, no less? I will phone ahead and have LA lock up its whisky reserves. Are you going to hit up Ozchin while you're there? IIRC, he is working in Santa Monica.

Our sister-in-law and nephew are coming tomorrow night. The wife's brother will stay because, well, "He has work to do." Seriously, wtf.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: SantaC on March 16, 2011, 08:08:12 AM
any updates?
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 16, 2011, 08:30:02 AM
Japanese friend in Tokyo works in a ryokan, he has been busy processing cancellation emails the latest few days, all the tourist spots around there in Asakusa are very empty. He said "I'm not leaving until the emperor is leaving", hehe
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 16, 2011, 08:44:25 AM
British, Australian, and American Governments: No Serious Radiation Threat to Tokyo

http://www.japanprobe.com/2011/03/16/british-australian-and-american-governments-no-serious-radiation-threat-to-tokyo/ (http://www.japanprobe.com/2011/03/16/british-australian-and-american-governments-no-serious-radiation-threat-to-tokyo/)

Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mupepe on March 16, 2011, 10:33:00 AM
Gilbert Gottfried fired as Aflac Duck

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Aflac Inc. has fired comedian Gilbert Gottfried, the voice of the Aflac Duck, for insensitive remarks he tweeted about Japan after the major earthquake and tsunami on March 11.

Gottfried tweeted: “Japan is really advanced. They don’t go to the beach. The beach comes to them.” He also posted: “I just split up with my girlfriend, but like the Japanese say, ‘They’ll be another one floating by any minute now.”

“Gilbert’s recent comments about the crisis in Japan were lacking in humor and certainly do not represent the thoughts and feelings of anyone at Aflac,” Aflac Chief Marketing Officer Michael Zuna said in a statement. “Aflac Japan — and, by extension, Japan itself — is part of the Aflac family, and there is no place for anything but compassion and concern during these difficult times.”

http://www.wcqj.com/stern-regular-gilbert-gottfried-fired-as-aflac-duck/


Doesn't help that 75% of Aflac's business comes from Japan.  Stupid mistake on his part.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 16, 2011, 10:34:29 AM
edit - never mind, Hyoushi is doing an awesome job of reassuring me on this in chat so no point in alarming people with my ignorance

:bow Hyoushi
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on March 16, 2011, 10:37:15 AM
haha wow

i know i'm a horrible person but reading those tweets in his voice made me laugh out loud
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Brehvolution on March 16, 2011, 11:46:17 AM
[youtube=560,345]xylDxj6-9dY#[/youtube]

The big one hits about 1:14, then craziness.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 16, 2011, 01:00:48 PM
Have a safe flight to LA, Cormac.

My offer still stands for all of J-Bore: If your travels bring you to Seattle, you've got a place to stay.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on March 16, 2011, 03:06:11 PM
In Canada??
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 16, 2011, 06:02:16 PM
US nuclear regulator warning in a presser now, saying that water in spent fuel pool at reactor 4 might be all gone

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/16/us-japan-nuclear-nrc-idUSTRE72F7PQ20110316 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/16/us-japan-nuclear-nrc-idUSTRE72F7PQ20110316)

They are flying a Global Hawk over there tomorrow to take pics.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 16, 2011, 07:15:11 PM
New York Liberty guard Cappie Pondexter tweeted on Saturday: "What if God was tired of the way they treated their own people in there own country! Idk guys he makes no mistakes." "u just never knw! They did pearl harbor so u can't expect anything less."

Pondexter posted an apology Monday:

"I wanna apologize to anyone I may hurt or offended during this tragic time," the tweet said. "I didn't realize that my words could be interpreted in the manner which they were."



An apology is required for nothing but misinterpretation?  ???



Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Powerslave on March 16, 2011, 07:25:03 PM
u just never knw!


Anyone who talks like this and expects to be taken seriously is an automatic cartoon-figure in my view.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Snuflupagulus on March 16, 2011, 07:54:34 PM
Meanwhile, my crazy friend Beau continues to kick ass - he has an official permit to travel blocked roads to deliver food and supplies to affected areas. And has bought thousands of dollars of food from Costco to deliver. The guy is just :bow

Your friend is :punch. Lump-in-throat kind of stuff. I'm not much for "disaster porn" but the images I've seen are debilitating. Similar to the images out of Haiti and NZ. I hate myself that these events provide me the clarity to appreciate friends and family when it should be an attitude felt always.

Stay safe guys. Keep your spirits up as best you can. If any of you TK guys need to blow off some steam...

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Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 16, 2011, 08:15:36 PM
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Australians have been told to leave Japan's capital as the earthquake and tsunami-hit country hinges on the verge of nuclear disaster.

So far attempts to bring temperatures down in four reactors at the stricken Fukushima nuclear plant have failed and the US will fly a spy plane to the region to take a closer look at the reactors.

High levels of radiation have been detected at the plant and low levels have been detected wafting over Tokyo, 250 kilometres to the south.

The situation is described by the International Atomic Energy Agency as "very serious" and US officials now say radiation levels at the plant may give emergency workers "lethal doses" in a short period of time, meaning their ability to take corrective measures will be hampered.

This isn't good.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Boogie on March 16, 2011, 08:19:11 PM
New York Liberty guard Cappie Pondexter tweeted on Saturday: "What if God was tired of the way they treated their own people in there own country! Idk guys he makes no mistakes." "u just never knw! They did pearl harbor so u can't expect anything less."

Pondexter posted an apology Monday:

"I wanna apologize to anyone I may hurt or offended during this tragic time," the tweet said. "I didn't realize that my words could be interpreted in the manner which they were."



An apology is required for nothing but misinterpretation?  ???





I think I have found the Great Calling of my life.

And it is to go on a Righteous Quest to find every person who has tweeted or facebook'd some "karma/payback/Pearl Harbour" bullshit about the crisis over the past week, hunt them down, and punch them in the face.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Brehvolution on March 16, 2011, 08:20:21 PM
You have my bow.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 16, 2011, 08:22:46 PM
And my axe.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 16, 2011, 11:34:03 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/compacflt/sets/72157626119790243/detail/

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Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on March 16, 2011, 11:39:14 PM
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Australians have been told to leave Japan's capital as the earthquake and tsunami-hit country hinges on the verge of nuclear disaster.

So far attempts to bring temperatures down in four reactors at the stricken Fukushima nuclear plant have failed and the US will fly a spy plane to the region to take a closer look at the reactors.

High levels of radiation have been detected at the plant and low levels have been detected wafting over Tokyo, 250 kilometres to the south.

The situation is described by the International Atomic Energy Agency as "very serious" and US officials now say radiation levels at the plant may give emergency workers "lethal doses" in a short period of time, meaning their ability to take corrective measures will be hampered.

This isn't good.

Holy fuck
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 16, 2011, 11:48:42 PM
:(

Hope everyone gets out in time.  For those who are still taking a wait and see approach, just consider what was the probability of the 9.0 earthquake and devastating tsunami.   If those could occur, why not a meltdown?
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 17, 2011, 12:06:21 AM
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Australians have been told to leave Japan's capital as the earthquake and tsunami-hit country hinges on the verge of nuclear disaster.

So far attempts to bring temperatures down in four reactors at the stricken Fukushima nuclear plant have failed and the US will fly a spy plane to the region to take a closer look at the reactors.

High levels of radiation have been detected at the plant and low levels have been detected wafting over Tokyo, 250 kilometres to the south.

The situation is described by the International Atomic Energy Agency as "very serious" and US officials now say radiation levels at the plant may give emergency workers "lethal doses" in a short period of time, meaning their ability to take corrective measures will be hampered.

This isn't good.

Holy fuck

(http://i.imgur.com/vUMaZ.jpg)
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Rough Translation : My father is heading to Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant tomorrow. He is due to retire in 6 months but volunteered for the assignment. I cried. But father told me : “The fate of the power plant rests on us now. This is our destiny. This is our responsibility.” I can only pray for father to return home safely.

Most of the Fukushima 50 are not employees at the site, are senior engineers and the most experienced employees (some either retired or near retirement age). Most volunteered for this assignment and see it as their destiny and duty because they are the most experienced engineers.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 17, 2011, 12:08:35 AM
Some of my posts are ignorant. I do it for shock value. Hate it or love it. I'm cool either way.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 17, 2011, 12:13:40 AM
Seriously though, downplaying the danger of a meltdown seems silly in light of what's already happened.  A weak ago, you would have scoffed at me too if I had told you that a huge earthquake would destroy much of Japan. 
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 17, 2011, 12:19:39 AM
Yeah. I mean, do you see people bailing on Los Angeles and Seattle because "the big one" could hit any day?
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 17, 2011, 12:20:59 AM
Uh, all the facts indicate that the chance of a meltdown is pretty high.  If I tell you that dining at a certain restaurant has a 1% chance of killing you, would you still go in?  

Knock on wood but in the case that a meltdown occurs, would there still be time to run?
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 17, 2011, 12:27:10 AM
I sincerely hope you're right. 
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 17, 2011, 12:35:25 AM
Dude, I'm not that petty.  This is gonna sound supergay but I'd cry like a big dumb homo if anything bad really happens to J-bore.  I consider many of you to be my friends. 
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on March 17, 2011, 12:36:41 AM
BE SAFE PLEASE
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 17, 2011, 12:46:55 AM
And the Australian Embassy is still advising their citizens to follow the advice of the Japanese government and says no such thing about "abandoning Tokyo".  The misinformation flying around is getting fucking ridiculous.

Sorry Oscar I didn't mean to upset you :-\

I expected more from the ABC
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Corporal on March 17, 2011, 01:34:58 AM
And large crowds it would be.  :-X

Just woke up. How are the winds holding up? I believe they've been blowing rather consistently out to sea, so I guess that's rather good even if the reactors are still rebelling. Is that normal weather for this time of the year?
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 17, 2011, 01:57:06 AM
You want to hear something weird? Everyone but everyone is saying 'stay safe'. But some folks who have decided to stay in Tokyo are starting to get a 'tude about it. Like they're being loyal and macho and hey, you can go if you like...(but you're a pussy!). I'm not one of those gaijins fleeing the city lol. That sort of thing. One guy joked that he would stay and 'take his rads like a man'. ok, i get where the bravado comes from, but think about what it MEANS when you say someone to 'stay safe'. The only real thing we can all do to increase the likelihood of being safe is to leave for a while.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Diunx on March 17, 2011, 02:00:06 AM
J-bore should bail out to DR so you can inject those sexy Yens into our economy :-*
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 17, 2011, 02:11:49 AM
Like I said before, I realize that a mass exodus would cause a lot of problems.  It's selfish but I'm only encouraging people I know to leave.  9/11 and similar incidents have shown that running early is usually a good idea.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 17, 2011, 02:23:57 AM
Smooth Groove, the worst case scenario is not a total meltdown. If a fire could start in a drained spent fuel pool, that could potentially disperse radioactive material beyond the current evac zone.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Corporal on March 17, 2011, 02:29:47 AM
As far as I'm concerned, you've either put some distance between you and the plant already, or you've dug in. Running away with the rest of the populace seems like a tenuous idea considering the population density of the areas involved. I admit that the Japanese are handling this like champs, but I doubt even they can stay calm if a "cloud of doom" inches towards them.


Aw man, that dog video.
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Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 17, 2011, 07:58:14 AM
It's okay man, shit is scary.  But even in scary times it's important to maintain calm and behave rationally.  That's why the scaremongering some people are engaging in, even if well-meaning, is dangerous.  It would be a rare situation indeed that is made better by large crowds of people panicking.

Yeah, it's really irresponsible. It's one of the few things really pissing me off right now.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 17, 2011, 09:13:53 AM
Seeing some ambiguous translations of the helicopter drops and firetruck spraying saying that they are for "cooling the reactors". These operations are for the spent fuel pools and nothing else. Not for cooling the cores, since they are three thick layers of concrete and steel away and won't be affected by this water. Some are also reporting that the spent fuel could "catch fire" if the pools dry out. The zircaloy coating is the only likely source, since the fuel pellets themselves should be incombustible. But could still release hot particles and carry them airborne.

Have seen very little scare talk about the MOX fuel at reactor #3, but it's worth noting that all sources I found point to the reactor starting using MOX in september 2010, so there should be no MOX fuel in the spent fuel pool at all.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 17, 2011, 09:43:51 AM
Just when you thought Hyoushi couldn't get any more awesome, he turns out to be a nuclear physicist in disguise :heartbeat
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 17, 2011, 09:51:43 AM
Seriously Hyoushi what do you do for a living? if you're not an engineer I'm gonna jump off a cliff.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 17, 2011, 10:05:29 AM
Apparently, the US is officially advising its citizens to leave. 

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gjjJVN43zYjY8fuf_7YUeTHB0M3g?docId=c2ebb9994512443f98eeb743d5c4525f
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 17, 2011, 10:10:51 AM
Seriously Hyoushi what do you do for a living? if you're not an engineer I'm gonna jump off a cliff.

I work IT, mainly Mac-related. My education is in graphic design.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 17, 2011, 10:19:26 AM
Seriously Hyoushi what do you do for a living? if you're not an engineer I'm gonna jump off a cliff.

I work IT, mainly Mac-related. My education is in graphic design.
:fbm
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 17, 2011, 10:20:48 AM
Yes, why waste your high intellect on helping dumb Mac users?
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 17, 2011, 10:30:11 AM
Yes, why waste your high intellect on helping dumb Mac users?

I wouldn't regard myself as particularly intelligent.
I just have a side interest for nuclear technology
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: maxy on March 17, 2011, 10:34:50 AM
Yes, why waste your high intellect on helping dumb Mac users?

I wouldn't regard myself as particularly intelligent.
I just have a side interest for nuclear technology
Why?Even at high level physics institutions most people are scared of experimental nuclear stuff.

just curious :P 
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 17, 2011, 10:41:38 AM
Uh, not as in "I buy yellowcake and do criticality experiments in my backyard reactor pile"

More as in "I read a lot of info on the subject and watch documentaries"
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 17, 2011, 10:43:20 AM
Hyoushi's stylish pad is actually powered by a personally built mini-reactor
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 17, 2011, 11:13:32 AM
TEPCO released video from JSDF helicopter showing damage up close and personal:

[youtube=560,345]lBXqiw6EJUk[/youtube]

Reactor building 4 seems to have taken quite a beating. Good thing it wasn't running
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 17, 2011, 11:48:47 AM
Seeing some ambiguous translations of the helicopter drops and firetruck spraying saying that they are for "cooling the reactors". These operations are for the spent fuel pools and nothing else. Not for cooling the cores, since they are three thick layers of concrete and steel away and won't be affected by this water. Some are also reporting that the spent fuel could "catch fire" if the pools dry out. The zircaloy coating is the only likely source, since the fuel pellets themselves should be incombustible. But could still release hot particles and carry them airborne.

Have seen very little scare talk about the MOX fuel at reactor #3, but it's worth noting that all sources I found point to the reactor starting using MOX in september 2010, so there should be no MOX fuel in the spent fuel pool at all.

Dropping nuclear power knowledge.
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Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 17, 2011, 11:53:46 AM
I wish the press would stop calling those brave rescuers "suicide fighters".  Trying to cool down a nuclear reactor is completely different from crashing a plane into an enemy ship. 
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 17, 2011, 12:50:48 PM
Yeah, I also disagree with the "giving their lives so others may live" type rhetoric since it carries with it an implication that a lot of people would be killed if they fail, which nothing is indicating at the moment.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 17, 2011, 02:12:20 PM
Local US stations breaking the mold and daring to report the truly important stuff in the wake of the big quake

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/03/15/bay-area-sushi-bars-face-daunting-supply-shortages/ (http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/03/15/bay-area-sushi-bars-face-daunting-supply-shortages/)

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/money/japan-quake-affecting-us-sushi-prices-20110316 (http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/money/japan-quake-affecting-us-sushi-prices-20110316)

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Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Brehvolution on March 17, 2011, 04:55:17 PM
Who knew all US sushi was imported?
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 17, 2011, 05:56:23 PM
VERY LARGE (2094x2000) DigitalGlobe image showing Fukushima Daiichi damage as of March 17th:

http://www.digitalglobe.com/downloads/featured_images/japan_earthquaketsu_fukushima_daiichirec_march17_2011_dg.jpg (http://www.digitalglobe.com/downloads/featured_images/japan_earthquaketsu_fukushima_daiichirec_march17_2011_dg.jpg)

Outer building for reactor 3 almost completely destroyed. Wow
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 17, 2011, 08:58:50 PM
Just make sure the X-prince is alright.  He's gonna finish the fight that his daddy couldn't. 
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 17, 2011, 09:55:28 PM
You might be after your bathroom mishap the other day :teehee
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 17, 2011, 10:10:27 PM
Can't wait for the father & son tag team when Killzone 18 is released.  :hyper
Title: Re: 8.8 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: originalz on March 17, 2011, 10:27:55 PM
You ought to get the hell out of Tokyo for now, originalz...didn't you say that your new job is based out of KZ anyway?

After reading that I hopped on the next plane back to the States!

...well, actually I was hiding out in Kanazawa but then my parents called me and told me that they booked me a flight out of Tokyo that night and needed to be on it.  Needless to say I was somewhat stressed out and irritated, tried to convince them that I was safe where I was but they've been listening to too many sensationalist reports and already paid for the ticket, so no fighting that.  Had to make it to Narita in record time (no easy feat from KZ, especially since the Narita Express wasn't running), didn't even have any time to pack so I just ended up with a few day's worth of clothes.  Ah well, at least I had my DS and Kindle with me to survive the plane ride.  Now I'm just waiting until shit clears up, my job understands my situation and will give me a few weeks, but if I'm not back by April then I may not have a job to go back to.  I'm fairly concerned for a variety of reasons, but on the upside now I can buy an American 3DS without difficulty!

I can't even watch the reporting going on here, it's a big story so all of the networks are doing regular updates, but since there's really not that much to update about on a hourly basis they just talk about "what could happen".  Bloody hell...they're even talking about whether or not the radiation could reach America...
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 17, 2011, 10:49:59 PM
Inside Report was doing some sensationalist story about how this huge radiation cloud was on the verge of soaring across the Pacific to kill red-blooded Americans and their families, but then Bill Nye came on and was like "Even in the worst case scenario, people in the US will only get radiation equivalent to a dental X-ray".
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Diunx on March 17, 2011, 11:35:38 PM
Why the fuck are dominicans freaking out about radiation getting here!? This country becomes dumber by the week.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 17, 2011, 11:44:13 PM
Why the fuck are dominicans freaking out about radiation getting here!? This country becomes dumber by the week.

You should spread a rumor about El Nino becoming radioactive
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Diunx on March 17, 2011, 11:47:55 PM
I would probably be arrested for causing mass hysteria :lol
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 17, 2011, 11:54:03 PM
This country becomes dumber by the week.

Glad to know that your people are coming back safe from Japan. 
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 18, 2011, 04:22:47 AM
Even NYT starting to post quite strange articles online. First there is this article which currently has an erroneous headline:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/18/world/asia/18intel.html?_r=1&hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/18/world/asia/18intel.html?_r=1&hp)

Headline is Radiation Spread Seen; Frantic Repairs Go On even though the article states that no radiation spread was found beyond the immediate vicinity of the plant.

Now this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/17/science/17plume.html?src=tptw (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/17/science/17plume.html?src=tptw)

Scientists Project Path of Radiation Plume

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A United Nations forecast of the possible movement of the radioactive plume coming from crippled Japanese reactors shows it churning across the Pacific, and touching the Aleutian Islands on Thursday before hitting Southern California late Friday.

...

The projection, by the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization, an arm of the United Nations in Vienna, gives no information about actual radiation levels but only shows how a radioactive plume would probably move and disperse.

So, there is no plume, and no current worry about radiation dispersal, but IF THERE WAS, THIS IS HOW IT MIGHT MOVE

Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 18, 2011, 05:45:43 AM
who is good at chemistry? here is a timelapse graph from ZAMG in Austria of the release of 131I from Daiichi

(http://www.zamg.ac.at/pict/aktuell/20110317_fuku_I-131.gif)

I'm guessing "units m^-3" refers to mole mass? So 131g^-3 is the base unit and then the graph displays the concentration to various exponents?
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 18, 2011, 06:31:53 AM
Sorry for spamming nuke info here, but I am not getting much other info on what's happening in the northeast.

Japan's Nuclear and Industy Safety Agency's Summary on Tohoku Pacific Earthquake and the seismic damage to the Nuclear Power Stations:
http://www.nisa.meti.go.jp/english/files/en20110316-3.pdf (http://www.nisa.meti.go.jp/english/files/en20110316-3.pdf)

Although this was encouraging:
http://twitter.com/#!/norishikata/statuses/48661611715624960 (http://twitter.com/#!/norishikata/statuses/48661611715624960)

Being able to fly in supplies/help directly to the area is a very good thing!
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 18, 2011, 06:57:48 AM
So, with regard to that Tweet, we can no longer say "Shikata ga nai," because now Shikata himself is tweeting shikata ari.

Please, Hyoushi. "Spam" away. You're one of the coherent sources of information on this topic. I'm thankful that you're posting here.

Here, have some lighthearted poop references:
[youtube=560,345]O1aH2-MhEko[/youtube]
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 18, 2011, 07:20:09 AM
MIT NSE with a nice tidbit of info regarding that a partial core meltdown could still be contained within the pressure vessel, IE not reaching the "possibly damaged" containment vessels of reactors 2 and 3:

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Thankfully, operating experience with melted fuel speaks favorably. At Three Mile Island, approximately 50% of the core’s nuclear fuel melted, and just 5/8 inch (out of 9 inches) of the reactor pressure vessel’s internal surface was ablated. During the corium’s contact with the bottom of the vessel, the vessel glowed red-hot for about an hour. The heat to which the vessel was exposed induced metallurgical changes in the steel, rendering it more brittle. Instrumentation penetrations in the lower vessel head also suffered damage. Nevertheless, the molten core was contained by the vessel.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: magus on March 18, 2011, 07:27:31 AM
So, with regard to that Tweet, we can no longer say "Shikata ga nai," because now Shikata himself is tweeting shikata ari.

Please, Hyoushi. "Spam" away. You're one of the coherent sources of information on this topic. I'm thankful that you're posting here.

Here, have some lighthearted poop references:
[youtube=560,345]O1aH2-MhEko[/youtube]

i'm going to tell this awesome fairy tale to the first little kid i meet
i'm not sure how anybody could say all that stuff with a straight face ^_^'
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 18, 2011, 10:46:51 AM
MIT NSE again collated recent news about the status at Fukushima Daiichi, a LOT of good news in this post:

http://mitnse.com/2011/03/18/news-update-318/ (http://mitnse.com/2011/03/18/news-update-318/)
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Brehvolution on March 18, 2011, 11:14:04 AM
who is good at chemistry? here is a timelapse graph from ZAMG in Austria of the release of 131I from Daiichi

(http://www.zamg.ac.at/pict/aktuell/20110317_fuku_I-131.gif)

I'm guessing "units m^-3" refers to mole mass? So 131g^-3 is the base unit and then the graph displays the concentration to various exponents?

That is pretty crazy.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 18, 2011, 11:17:02 AM
Hmm, the power cable is only for units 1 and 2? It sounds like 3 is the one that needs the cooling most, but I guess they are mostly on the way to achieving that. It's amazing what this country has managed to achieve in a week. I'm seriously humbled.

The power cable is only going to do any good for reactors 1 and 2, since 3 is too damaged to use the powered ECCS. But it is still a huuuuge weight off their shoulders so they can focus the effort on #3.

edit: additionally, the biggest problem with #3 is the spent fuel pool, not the core. The unit that has had the biggest core problem is #2, so this is definitely good news.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 18, 2011, 12:13:39 PM
Re. that animated graph, note that the timeline ends tomorrow midnight. I also found no date when that was published, so hard to tell how much of that graph is measured data and how much is simulated. Maybe it's just a simulation for the wind, assuming a constant emission of 131I from the plant based on some one-time measurement. No idea how they could even simulate it otherwise, hehe
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Powerslave on March 18, 2011, 07:30:14 PM
>implying anyone knows wtf you're talking about
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 18, 2011, 09:15:21 PM
>implying there's anything we could do about it even if we did know, because the radioactive zombie apocalypse is about to kill us all
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 22, 2011, 11:22:43 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2011/03/21/ng.japan.radiation.hln (http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2011/03/21/ng.japan.radiation.hln)

Who is this woman, and why is she allowed to be on TV ???
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 22, 2011, 11:52:48 AM
who is good at chemistry? here is a timelapse graph from ZAMG in Austria of the release of 131I from Daiichi

(http://www.zamg.ac.at/pict/aktuell/20110317_fuku_I-131.gif)

I'm guessing "units m^-3" refers to mole mass? So 131g^-3 is the base unit and then the graph displays the concentration to various exponents?

Reminded me of

:nsfw ?
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/PSDo7.gif)
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Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 22, 2011, 02:14:53 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2011/03/21/ng.japan.radiation.hln (http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2011/03/21/ng.japan.radiation.hln)

Who is this woman, and why is she allowed to be on TV ???

Doesn't she have some kidnapped white girl's parents to harangue?
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 22, 2011, 06:56:11 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2011/03/21/ng.japan.radiation.hln (http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2011/03/21/ng.japan.radiation.hln)

Who is this woman, and why is she allowed to be on TV ???

Jesus, what a cunt.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Herr Mafflard on March 22, 2011, 07:18:06 PM
"Your mouth to God's Ear, Bernie. Your mouth to God's Ear"

I am gonna use that line whenever someone disagrees with me on the internet now. I mean it - don't y'all ever try to contradict me with your so-called well reasoned arguments.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 22, 2011, 08:03:52 PM
Wow, she personifies the kind of blind ignorance I hate more than anything. Nothing bugs me more than people who are absolutely wrong and aren't open to further information.

I absolutely cannot stand her or her show. The bulk of the time is spent throwing grieving parents [who either have a child that's been murdered or kidnapped] in front of the camera and jumping on every single aspect of their lives in search of a confession.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 22, 2011, 10:14:27 PM
You've never seen Nancy Grace before???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEol_YLv4sA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF1T61nwZS0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUkxxI0Rm08

Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 22, 2011, 10:25:04 PM
She's like the unfunny, annoying version of Judge Judy.

Or the female Bill O'Reilly

Edit: Actually, I take that last one back, because it's unfair to Bill O'Reilly. Read here:

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The Supreme Court of Georgia has twice commented on Grace's conduct as a prosecutor. First, in a 1994 heroin drug trafficking case, Bell v. State, the Court declared a mistrial, saying that Grace had "exceeded the wide latitude of closing argument" by drawing comparisons to unrelated murder and rape cases.[13]

In 1997, the court was more severe, overturning the murder-arson conviction of businessman W. W. Carr in the death of his wife. While the court said its reversal was not due to these transgressions, since the case had turned primarily on circumstantial evidence, it nevertheless concluded "the conduct of the prosecuting attorney in this case demonstrated her disregard of the notions of due process and fairness, and was inexcusable."[14] Carr was freed in 2004 when The Georgia Supreme Court ruled unanimously that Fulton County had waited too long to retry him.

Despite upholding the conviction she sought, a panel of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals wrote in a 2005 opinion that Grace "played fast and loose" with her ethical duties and failed to "fulfill her responsibilities" as a prosecutor in the 1990 triple murder trial of Herbert Connell Stephens.[15] The court agreed that it was "difficult to conclude that Grace did not knowingly use ... [apparently false] testimony" from a detective that there were no other suspects, despite the existence of outstanding arrest warrants for other men.[15]

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Grace interviewed Duckett less than two weeks after the child went missing, questioning her for her alleged lack of openness regarding her son's disappearance, asking Duckett "Where were you? Why aren't you telling us where you were that day?"[18] Duckett appeared confused and was unable to answer whether or not she had taken a polygraph test. When Grace asked her why she could not account for specific details, Duckett began to reply, "Because I was told not to," to which Grace responded, "Ms. Duckett, you are not telling us for a reason. What is the reason? You refuse to give even the simplest facts of where you were with your son before he went missing. It is day twelve." According to the CNN transcript, Duckett replied, "(INAUDIBLE) with all media. It's not just there, just all media. Period." Grace then moved on to a media psychologist who asserted that Duckett was "skirting around the issue."[17][18]

The next day, before the airing of the show, Duckett shot herself, a death that relatives claim was influenced by media scrutiny, particularly from Grace.[17][19] Speaking to The Orlando Sentinel, Duckett's grandfather Bill Eubank said, "Nancy Grace and the others, they just bashed her to the end. She was not one anyone ever would have thought of to do something like this."[17] CNN has also been criticized for allowing the show to air in the wake of Duckett's suicide.

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Grace took a pro-prosecution position throughout the 2006 Duke University lacrosse case, in which Crystal Gail Mangum, an African-American stripper and North Carolina Central University student, falsely accused three members of Duke University's men's lacrosse team of raping her at a party. Prior to Duke suspending its men's lacrosse team's season, she sarcastically noted on the air, "I'm so glad they didn't miss a lacrosse game over a little thing like gang rape!" and "Why would you go to a cop in an alleged gang rape case, say, and lie and give misleading information?"[25] After the disbarment of District Attorney Mike Nifong, Attorney General Roy Cooper pronounced all three players innocent of the rape charges made by Mangum.[26] On the following broadcast of her show, Grace did not appear and a substitute reporter, Jane Velez-Mitchell, announced the removal of all charges.

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During the Elizabeth Smart case, when suspect Richard Ricci was arrested by police on the basis that he had a criminal record and had worked on the Smarts' home, Grace immediately and repeatedly proclaimed on CourtTV and CNN's Larry King that Ricci "was guilty," although there was little evidence to support this claim. She also suggested publicly that Ricci's girlfriend was involved in the cover-up of his alleged crime. Grace continued to accuse Ricci, though he died while in custody.[27]

It was later revealed that Smart was kidnapped by Brian David Mitchell and Wanda Barzee, two individuals with whom Richard Ricci had no connection.[28]

When CourtTV confronted Grace seven months later to ask whether she was incorrect in her assertion that Ricci was guilty, and whether or not she felt bad about it in any way, she stated that Ricci was "a known ex-con, a known felon, and brought suspicion on himself, so who could blame anyone for claiming he was the perpetrator?" When Larry King asked her about the matter, she equated criticism of herself with criticism of the police in the case. She said: "I'm not letting you take the police with me on a guilt trip."[29]

In July 2006, while interviewing Smart, Grace repeatedly asked her for information regarding her experience. Smart told her she didn't feel comfortable discussing it, despite Grace's persistence in the matter. Finally, Grace stopped when Smart said she "didn't appreciate [Grace] bringing all this up."
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Purple Filth on March 22, 2011, 11:24:05 PM
Uh, not as in "I buy yellowcake and do criticality experiments in my backyard reactor pile"

More as in "I read a lot of info on the subject and watch documentaries"

oh, i thought you would be like this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSg2neElOTw


I'm hearing the death toll is over 9000 now  :(
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 23, 2011, 12:07:17 AM
Oh, so Nancy Grace was the inspiration for that one episode of Leverage where a woman reporter with a scarily similar haircut? Interesting.

She's horrible.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 23, 2011, 12:34:07 AM
Oh, so Nancy Grace was the inspiration for that one episode of Leverage where a woman reporter with a scarily similar haircut? Interesting.

She's horrible.

Her Wikipedia article gives a pretty good summation of the kind of person she is: an egotistical witch absolutely convinced that she has the right to be judge and jury.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 23, 2011, 12:39:11 AM
Oh, so Nancy Grace was the inspiration for that one episode of Leverage where a woman reporter with a scarily similar haircut? Interesting.

She's horrible.

Her Wikipedia article gives a pretty good summation of the kind of person she is: an egotistical witch absolutely convinced that she has the right to be judge and jury.
I don't think I can deal with the amount of anger she would generate in me right now. I'll check it when I'm more fatigued and inured to humanity's inherent filthiness.


"Your mouth to God's Ear, Bernie. Your mouth to God's Ear"

I am gonna use that line whenever someone disagrees with me on the internet now. I mean it - don't y'all ever try to contradict me with your so-called well reasoned arguments.
She should be required to change that to "Liar, liar! Pants on fire!" It's just as logical and has an equal amount of relevance.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Pringo on March 23, 2011, 12:51:03 AM
There's a Japanese guy that was in a few of my classes this semester but he hasn't been around for the last little while. Turns out apparently his whole extended family died during the disaster. :-\

Feels bad man.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on March 23, 2011, 04:53:58 AM
Oh, so Nancy Grace was the inspiration for that one episode of Leverage where a woman reporter with a scarily similar haircut? Interesting.

She's horrible.

Her Wikipedia article gives a pretty good summation of the kind of person she is: an egotistical witch absolutely convinced that she has the right to be judge and jury.

There was an AWESOME clip from Swift Justice where someone was pleading their case and Nancy went on a tirade about what a horrible person they were, then she said "I'm not judging you" :lol
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2011, 02:19:27 PM
She knows it's bullshit and is just trying to gain ratings with alarmist shit. That's what she does. she doesn't care about anyone but herself/ratings
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 25, 2011, 11:13:27 AM
We should set her on fire, and watch the ratings. Win-win!
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 26, 2011, 05:27:26 PM
[youtube=560,345]Cy-MOZwr5G0[/youtube]

damn this is crazy. liquefaction of reclaimed land at Urayasu City in Chiba during the earthquake
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2011, 06:53:05 PM
hyoshi: on cnn last night i saw something about radiation levels near the fukushima reactor being 1000x legal levels?
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2011, 06:54:24 PM
hyoshi: on cnn last night i saw something about radiation levels near the fukushima reactor being 1000x legal levels?

How does that effect me in Michigan?!?!!?!?
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2011, 06:56:17 PM
Japan destroyed American families with their cars and technology, this is just the country once again stickin' it to michigan and the american car industry and the american family. And never forget, pearl harbor.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 26, 2011, 07:01:07 PM
Japan destroyed American families with their cars and technology, this is just the country once again stickin' it to michigan and the american car industry and the american family. And never forget, pearl harbor.
:lol -- sadly, there are thousands of people online who would twat this seriously. Twats.

[youtube=560,345]Cy-MOZwr5G0[/youtube]

damn this is crazy. liquefaction of reclaimed land at Urayasu City in Chiba during the earthquake
Yeah, that would freak me out. I love her understatement: "Chotto mazui..." -- I'd have said, "Oh, fuck! I am shitting my pants! If only I could use my own shit to fill these damned holes!"
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2011, 07:08:48 PM
Japan destroyed American families with their cars and technology, this is just the country once again stickin' it to michigan and the american car industry and the american family. And never forget, pearl harbor.
:lol -- sadly, there are thousands of people online who would twat this seriously. Twats.

[youtube=560,345]lhCEF9zerx8#t=05m03s[/youtube]
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 27, 2011, 04:33:54 AM
hyoshi: on cnn last night i saw something about radiation levels near the fukushima reactor being 1000x legal levels?

This probably refers to the measurements taken in the seawater 300m out from the plant. The "1000x legal levels" refers to the measurement taken of Iodine-131, which was 1250 times above the threshold of 40Bq/kg. The threshold is set very conservatively, the recommended maximum levels for drinking water in Japan is 100Bq/kg for infants and 300Bq/kg for adults. Still, that's quite a high concentration, but numbers were way down 90 minutes later, and it's also worth noting that 131I has a relatively short half-life of 8 days. Should disperse fairly rapidly if there are no more big emissions. There were also elevated levels (but not by as much) of Cesium-137, which has a half-life of 30 years.

In conclusion, whenever you hear one of those "omg 10000x higher than NORMAL" reports that the news network love, try to work out what the "normal" level is and if it was a one-time measurement or something observed over a longer time period.

edit: clarification.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on March 27, 2011, 06:28:17 AM
Hyoushi bearing the pimp slap of reality against media hyperbole.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 27, 2011, 07:27:48 AM
What concerns me now is the amount of hugely irradiated water they have sloshing around in the turbine halls... The two workers that got beta burns on their legs were working in 30cm of water and it spilled into their boots... Doesn't seem they are getting good equipment. Hopefully TEPCO can find a way to contain and get rid of this water soon.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Corporal on March 27, 2011, 09:39:33 AM
But they ignored their fucking Dosimeters.
That's got nothing to do with equipment. They had at least one warning device on them, and it did its job and alerted them to the danger. And they chose to continue in spite of the warning.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
-spoiler edited in to keep my folly on the net. This is the rest of my previously unedited post.

I mean, I'm not saying they deserve the 2-6 Sievert dose into their legs, far from it. They're working under conditions that would probably drive a normal man into suicide. On their shoulders rest the fate of millions of people, and there's a danger of lasting effects and instant death should they be at the wrong place at the wrong time. I understand that they want to get this under control and locked down ASAP, that they're giving their all, and that they're probably at their limits. I really do. Sitting in my comfy chair thousands of kilometers away really doesn't help me or make me an expert.

That doesn't really change the fact that there was no point to sloshing around in the water, though. These guys are professionals, even if two of them aren't Tepco employees IIRC. Their task was not fixing an immediate time-critical threat at all costs, at least as far as we're aware. There was no need for heroics. They were sent in to fix shit, and they should've done a U-turn and reported the situation once they hit the dead end. They didn't. They fixed the stuff, and now the team is down three qualified engineers because of that. It remains to be seen whether that was a good trade-off.

Just burns me up that all the info we're given points to the fact that this situation could have been avoided. Shitsux.  :-\
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Edit: Or not (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/radiation-levels-reach-new-highs-as-conditions-worsen-for-workers/2011/03/27/AFsMLFiB_story.html?hpid=z2).
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Tepco spokesperson Yoshimi Hitosugi said that the utility company did not know about the contaminated water in the No. 3 unit until the injuries occurred. "There was no water in No. 3 the day before when our staff checked same place," Hitosugi said. “So we thought it would not be problem on next day.”

One subcontracted worker who laid cables for new electrical lines March 19 described chaotic conditions and lax supervision that made him nervous. Masataka Hishida said neither he nor the workers around him were given a dosimeter, a device used to measure one’s exposure to radiation. He was surprised that workers were not given special shoes; rather, they were told to put plastic bags over their street shoots. When he was trying on the gas mask for the first time, he said the supervisor told him and other subcontractors, “Listen carefully, I’m only going to say this one time” while explaining how to use it.

:piss Tepco :piss2

:piss IAEA :piss2 for stating they ignored the dosimeters. I realize they're just relaying the info they get, but still, that's a bit rich.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 27, 2011, 01:20:05 PM
hehe Corporal. Did you watch this short docu about Genpatsu Ginza in Kansai?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4411946789896689299# (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4411946789896689299#)

It's from 1995 and I think it's a VHS rip, but still, it gives you some insight into what a "subcontracted worker" might mean at a Japanese nuclear power plant.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 27, 2011, 01:29:05 PM
fleep.com (http://fleep.com/earthquake/) updated the graphs to also include 131I levels for various water purifying plants. example:

(http://i.imgur.com/yU8fb.png)

The spike here is related to the rain in Tokyo on the 21:st - 22:nd, which also raised the background rad levels somewhat in the affected areas. Purifying plants have already looked into covering their reservoirs in case of rain.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Corporal on March 27, 2011, 06:50:24 PM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4411946789896689299# (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4411946789896689299#)
That's sickening.

 :maf
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Brehvolution on March 28, 2011, 01:43:39 PM
Saw this at gaf. Unbelievable!

[youtube=560,345]cmTb8y84KEQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 29, 2011, 03:40:22 AM
Got linked to this article by a friend:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/radiation-levels-reach-new-highs-as-conditions-worsen-for-workers/2011/03/27/AFsMLFiB_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/radiation-levels-reach-new-highs-as-conditions-worsen-for-workers/2011/03/27/AFsMLFiB_story.html)

Radiation levels at Japan nuclear plant reach new highs

They talk about the irradiated water that is collecting in the turbine halls, and with the help of a dood named Arnie Gundersen, "a consultant at Fairewinds Associates with 40 years of experience overseeing boiling-water reactors", they bring up a theory that graphite seals around the control rod drivers at the bottom of the pressure vessel are damaged and leaking. Quote here:

Quote
Unlike in newer reactor designs, the older boiling-water reactors at Daiichi are pierced by dozens of holes in the bottoms of their reactor vessels. Each hole allows one control rod — made of a neutron-absorbing material that quickly stops nuclear fission inside the reactor — to slide into the reactor from below, as happened when the earthquake shook the plant March 11. During normal operations, a graphite stopper covers each hole, sealing in highly radioactive primary cooling water, said Arnie Gundersen, a consultant at Fairewinds Associates with 40 years of experience overseeing boiling-water reactors.

But at temperatures above 350 degrees Fahrenheit, the graphite stoppers begin to melt.

Graphite begins to melt at 3500K (5800F), not 350F. Also, the graver implication is, if water got out of the RPV through the bottom, it would still have to get out of the containment vessel, which would mean that containment is breached as well. Weird article with a VERY significant factual error.

I emailed Nuclear Sciences and Engineering at MIT about it, asking about how the fact that the control rod drivers enter at the bottom of the RPV would change the scenario at a partial/total fuel meltdown. I linked to their article about worst case scenarios (http://mitnse.com/2011/03/17/on-worst-case-scenarios/) earlier in this thread, in which they talk about Three Mile Island as a favorable example of when molten fuel (50%) was contained in the RPV. But that was a pressurized water reactor, and had the fuel rod assembly at the top of the RPV. MIT NSE acknowledged: "I am not terribly familiar with that aspect of BWR technology, and you do bring up a good point.  The control rod penetrations in the bottom of the vessel do alter the molten fuel-vessel interaction dynamics, but I am not sure of the exact effects." :/
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 29, 2011, 03:43:17 AM
Also, I saw the P-word is finally getting into the media now after plutonium-238 being found in soil samples at Fukushima Daiichi. Interestingly enough, only a fraction of the plutonium found came from the reactor there, the rest was residue after atmospheric nuclear testing in the pacific area 40-50 years ago. Gives you an idea how small the concentration actually is.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 29, 2011, 04:30:06 AM
what do those idiots at MIT know compared to :bow Hyoushi :bow2

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Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 29, 2011, 08:45:07 AM
Really creepy video from APF News, filmed inside the 20km exclusion zone at Fukushima Daiichi on friday the 25:th.

http://www.apfnews.com/whatsnew/2011/03/apf_news_326_20.html (http://www.apfnews.com/whatsnew/2011/03/apf_news_326_20.html)

I was kinda creeped out when there's suddenly another car ahead of them. I also like that he still uses his turn signals in total no mans land. Lots of :'( moments in here too
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 29, 2011, 09:47:17 AM
Really creepy video from APF News, filmed inside the 20km exclusion zone at Fukushima Daiichi on friday the 25:th.

http://www.apfnews.com/whatsnew/2011/03/apf_news_326_20.html (http://www.apfnews.com/whatsnew/2011/03/apf_news_326_20.html)

I was kinda creeped out when there's suddenly another car ahead of them. I also like that he still uses his turn signals in total no mans land. Lots of :'( moments in here too

Do you know what they're talking about with the people in the truck?
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 29, 2011, 01:07:15 PM
Really creepy video from APF News, filmed inside the 20km exclusion zone at Fukushima Daiichi on friday the 25:th.

http://www.apfnews.com/whatsnew/2011/03/apf_news_326_20.html (http://www.apfnews.com/whatsnew/2011/03/apf_news_326_20.html)

I was kinda creeped out when there's suddenly another car ahead of them. I also like that he still uses his turn signals in total no mans land. Lots of :'( moments in here too

Do you know what they're talking about with the people in the truck?

Nah, I don't know nearly enough Japanese. Seems like they came down from Souma to return to the exclusion zone, that sign they pass in the beginning seems to say 小田川 Otagawa, so it seems the film crew entered the 20km zone from the north.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on March 30, 2011, 10:33:51 AM
Video from Onagawa, showing tsunami aftermath and signs of damage at 20m+ elevation over sealevel

[youtube=560,345]ZGcyAHEXZzs[/youtube]
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Brehvolution on March 30, 2011, 11:31:43 AM
Damn  :(
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 31, 2011, 08:42:05 PM
oh god, Japanese TV is CONSTANTLY explaining the numbers. You'd have to be a complete distinguished mentally-challenged fellow not to have a thorough understanding of magnitudes, sieverts and becquerels by now. One thing they cannot be faulted for is an aversion to math.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 31, 2011, 09:19:19 PM
Saw this at gaf. Unbelievable!

[youtube=560,345]cmTb8y84KEQ[/youtube]

I'm always amazed at the calmness of the Japanese people. No screaming or yelling, just looking on.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 31, 2011, 09:39:01 PM
Saw this at gaf. Unbelievable!

[youtube=560,345]cmTb8y84KEQ[/youtube]

I'm always amazed at the calmness of the Japanese people. No screaming or yelling, just looking on.

I don't know, man, I think at some point things just get so huge that you really can't even come up with a reaction at all.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T234 on April 01, 2011, 01:38:24 AM
That video is probably one of the craziest things I've ever seen (and I did two tours in Iraq).

Agreed. I've seen and done some crazy shit in my life but I ain't never seen anything like that.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on April 01, 2011, 08:10:39 PM
Dog rescued at sea 3 weeks after Japan quake

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One more survivor in Japan has been rescued.

The Japanese coast guard on Friday rescued a dog floating in the debris off the coast of Kesennuma, northern Japan. It's unclear if the canine, which was scrambling on the roof of a house that had been washed away, had been at sea for the entire three weeks since the devastating earthquake and tsunami.

The rescue did not come easy. After coast guard rescuers descended from a helicopter onto the house, the dog retreated under the roof and disappeared. The rescuers were unable to lure the dog out but according to NTV, the canine was eventually pulled to safety by a coast guard boat that relieved the helicopter, which was running low on fuel.

The rescue came as Japanese and U.S. military ships and helicopters trolled Japan's tsunami-ravaged coastline looking for bodies. It was part of an all-out three-day search that could be the last chance to find those swept out to sea nearly three weeks ago.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20049789-503543.html (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20049789-503543.html)

CRAZY.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on April 04, 2011, 04:15:08 AM
WaPo made some nice infographics about the current situation at Fukushima:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/japan-nuclear-reactors-and-seismic-activity/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/japan-nuclear-reactors-and-seismic-activity/)

Contains an error though, seems to say that reactor 3 spent fuel pool has MOX fuel, which is not the case.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2011, 07:50:53 PM
My mate Beau, as mentioned above, got interviewed about his relief efforts. Warning: strong Ozzie accent

[youtube=560,345]ijCAdRWy7ik&feature=player_embedded#at=223[/youtube]
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2011, 08:11:17 PM
And text:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42420250/ns/world_news-disaster_in_japan/
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: pilonv1 on April 05, 2011, 09:17:55 PM
:bow Australians :bow2
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Brehvolution on April 06, 2011, 08:53:29 AM
And text:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42420250/ns/world_news-disaster_in_japan/

Saw this on your twitter. Such an amazing story.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 06, 2011, 09:53:22 AM
I have of course offered to help with all this but he only really needs drivers at the minute, it seems...and I don't drive or own a car. I can and will donate to his cause though.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: bork on April 07, 2011, 11:26:55 AM
Another quake just hit Japan.  7.4.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/07/japan.quake/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 07, 2011, 11:34:51 AM
Yep, it's all over BBC, SkyNews and CNN here in Amsterdam. I know Tokyo-Bore is fine physically, but this stuff really takes a toll on one mentally.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 07, 2011, 11:54:23 AM
Yep, it's all over BBC, SkyNews and CNN here in Amsterdam. I know Tokyo-Bore is fine physically, but this stuff really takes a toll on one mentally.

However will you manage to cope with mental stress in Amsterdam
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Brehvolution on April 07, 2011, 01:47:38 PM
I think he meant those living in Japan.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 07, 2011, 03:00:59 PM
I think he meant those living in Japan.

Well, duh!

I know that Japan is used to earthquakes, but the last 3-4 weeks have been crazy. I can't imagine how much stress it produces for the average person.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on April 07, 2011, 06:32:41 PM
Japan is going to become like California; soon they'll be ignoring anything less than a 6.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 07, 2011, 07:27:25 PM
I think he meant those living in Japan.

yes i KNOW but that wouldn't have been funny
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: ch1nchilla on April 07, 2011, 09:45:10 PM
Real talk, that shit last night was not cool at all. Finished reading, about to turn the light off and go to sleep and BAM earthquake. Lasted way too long, I'm glad I was in Nagoya when the big one struck last month. I've been back in Tokyo for 3 days and I'm already over it.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: originalz on April 08, 2011, 02:49:38 AM
Shit work me up last night.  Took me a few seconds to figure out what was going on, after I realized that it was pretty strong and hadn't ended yet I just propped myself in in a doorway support and waited for it to end, was starting to get a little concern when it didn't stop but finished eventually.  Turned on the TV to see the reports and that there was no problems in Tokyo, then went right back to bed.

These big quakes in Tokyo only hit around 3-4, yea?  Geez, can't even imagine what a 7-9 would feel like.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: ch1nchilla on April 09, 2011, 05:57:55 AM
I still don't understand exactly what I'm supposed to do on the 9th floor of a building if a big one strikes. Last time I just stood dumbfounded in my kitchen. Some people say lay next to something sturdy like a bike, some say under a table, some say in doorways, some say hit the stairs and get out (which would take far too long, lolz). Is there any definitive thing to do when you can't immediately run outside?
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: ch1nchilla on April 09, 2011, 08:26:01 AM
:lol I should just indefinitely rock a flying squirrel suit under whatever I'm wearing for maximum reassurance.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on April 09, 2011, 08:32:29 AM
I'd have to use Adult Diapers along with whatever other precautions I take, and I suspect they'd add too much drag to one of those flying squirrel suits.  :-\
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 09, 2011, 01:54:00 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/09/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=T1 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/09/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=T1)
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: originalz on April 10, 2011, 01:48:32 AM
My new favorite sites:

http://flyjin.com/

http://jpquake.wikispaces.com/Journalist+Wall+of+Shame
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 10, 2011, 03:08:48 AM
fuck off with that flygin shit originalz, no-one has time for that
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: originalz on April 10, 2011, 08:22:42 AM
I just like how they're making fun of people on the site, like the guy who had a panic attack and cut in the line at immigration (how stupid do you have to be to not already have a re-entry permit, it's set up so you can get it the same time that your visa is renewed) or the "crisis consultant" who jumped ship the second the quake hit.  No real opinions on the term "flyjin" itself, didn't even hear of the term until my friends back home sent me an article about it on some American news site.  I actually kind of find it funny and have been telling my Japanese friends about it.  I was a flyjin and now have the spend the rest of my life hanging my head in shame!

I wonder if this will be yet another thing that foreigners will use to one-up their "competition" here, like we need more of that shit.  Ten years from now, I'm sure we'll still be having to answer "So, were you a flyjin?"
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: originalz on April 11, 2011, 04:22:37 AM
Whoo, sure felt that one!  Level 6 in Fukushima, sure hope that doesn't mess with the reactors.

These things just keep moving lower and lower...
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on April 11, 2011, 04:45:58 AM
Epicenter was inland this time, M7.1, no problems at Fukushima Daiichi

actually: "External power sources to units 1-3 have stopped. Water spraying also stopped. No info on unit 4 yet."
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on April 11, 2011, 09:05:13 AM
Sheeeeeit.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 11, 2011, 11:26:21 AM
jesus fucking christ
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on April 11, 2011, 12:18:33 PM
TEPCO already confirmed power is back, looks OK for now.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on April 11, 2011, 08:01:36 PM
GIVE JAPAN A BREAK
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on April 11, 2011, 08:33:24 PM
PREY ON JAPAN
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on April 14, 2011, 07:15:57 AM
Yeah, but, doesn't there have to be danger involved? Maybe it's just hindsight talking, but it seems like the data has consistently pointed to "Yeah, it's bad at Fukushima, but it's not going to affect you unless you're really near Fukushima."

Am I wrong?
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on April 14, 2011, 07:35:48 AM
Yeah, but, doesn't there have to be danger involved? Maybe it's just hindsight talking, but it seems like the data has consistently pointed to "Yeah, it's bad at Fukushima, but it's not going to affect you unless you're really near Fukushima."

Am I wrong?

The way the reporting has differed significantly is in the worst case scenarios drawn up. A lot of these have included some sort of cataclysmic aerosol plume of radionuclides being blasted around half the world and giving amurrkah The Cancer. The pro-nuclear side has pointed out the side you mention, but the other side has mostly said "the thing to focus on is not the current situation, but what COULD happen" and so forth.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 14, 2011, 07:37:10 AM
You're not wrong, but there has always been risk to people further away. Badly irradiated food could travel the planet over inside a day, for example.

My view has always been that there is SOME risk and A LOT of stress, vs NO RISK and NO STRESS elsewhere (although obviously everywhere else has risk of differing varieties - volcanoes, tornadoes, BBCs...). So anyone who has the option of going away should not be discouraged from going. It's their choice, their bank account that takes the hit etc. And they are helping by not being around - no strain on the infrastructure or resources.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: originalz on April 16, 2011, 09:36:08 AM
Haha, wonder if there's a story behind that.  Some of those stories on flyjin.com are pretty crazy though, people who have been here for so long and apparently have lives, yet they panic and take off as soon as there's any sign of trouble.  Makes me wonder if I should start looking for a better job, heh.  I personally don't know anyone who left, although my friends do apparently.  Ah well, maybe this will do some good for the eikawa market, if there's a shortage of teachers they might actually have to raise wages and increase benefits (yeah right).

My business is deeply connected to tourism, and we've definitely taken a huge hit from all this shit.  We've already estimated a 20% drop this year, and the hotels and other companies that we do business with have said that it's been really hard for them recently.  We're going to be adapting a "your visit will save Japan" promotion, come over and help the economy!
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on April 16, 2011, 09:37:19 AM
i don't think "japs" is used as a hateful connotation anymore. at least among the civil.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 16, 2011, 10:29:18 PM
Great, I'll walk around Tokyo today calling people Japs and point them to this post as my defence.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Himu on April 16, 2011, 11:03:54 PM
I didn't say the word didn't illicit ill feelings in some people, but it can be at least partially understood that not all people mean hard when they say words that carry offense at least historically. Like anything, words depend on how they are used. I'm not defending the use of the word "jap".
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on April 17, 2011, 02:02:49 AM
Yeah, I hear "coloreds" is coming back too.  ::)
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on April 17, 2011, 06:40:12 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/hvRwD.png)
 :o
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on April 18, 2011, 09:58:10 AM
Actually, this is how baby houseboats are made.
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: T-Short on April 18, 2011, 10:32:16 AM
Ah yeah. in Otsuchi. There was also a house on top of another house just next to that

(http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/japan_031411/bp24.jpg)
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Herr Mafflard on April 18, 2011, 06:45:43 PM
lol, it's the same boat / house, but it reminded me of a funny....

apparently some UK TV morning news program got some mails saying that even the japanese are vandals and it's not just the UK! Look at the red graffiti all over the place!

Err... yeah, that's the emergency services marking cars/buildings that have been checked. FAIL.


argh morning UK telly always brings out the dumbest cunts in the country
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 18, 2011, 07:29:26 PM
Actually, this is how baby houseboats are made.

:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on April 19, 2011, 06:51:32 PM
Christ, thanks. I was worried when no-one laffed.  :P
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Brehvolution on April 21, 2011, 10:26:25 AM
Reports of another quake of the coast of Japan being felt in Tokyo. Can J-Bore confirm?
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2011, 05:36:42 AM
'populace' - another thing to blame Peter Molyneaux for
Title: Re: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan
Post by: chronovore on April 24, 2011, 07:53:42 AM


YOU ARE ALREADY DEAD
(http://i.imgur.com/73MNb.jpg)