Author Topic: 9.0 Earthquake in Japan (Read 35224 times)

originalz · « **Reply #360 on:** March 17, 2011, 10:27:55 PM »

Quote from: Good Day Sir on March 15, 2011, 10:07:57 AM

You ought to get the hell out of Tokyo for now, originalz...didn't you say that your new job is based out of KZ anyway?

After reading that I hopped on the next plane back to the States!

...well, actually I was hiding out in Kanazawa but then my parents called me and told me that they booked me a flight out of Tokyo that night and needed to be on it. Needless to say I was somewhat stressed out and irritated, tried to convince them that I was safe where I was but they've been listening to too many sensationalist reports and already paid for the ticket, so no fighting that. Had to make it to Narita in record time (no easy feat from KZ, especially since the Narita Express wasn't running), didn't even have any time to pack so I just ended up with a few day's worth of clothes. Ah well, at least I had my DS and Kindle with me to survive the plane ride. Now I'm just waiting until shit clears up, my job understands my situation and will give me a few weeks, but if I'm not back by April then I may not have a job to go back to. I'm fairly concerned for a variety of reasons, but on the upside now I can buy an American 3DS without difficulty!

I can't even watch the reporting going on here, it's a big story so all of the networks are doing regular updates, but since there's really not that much to update about on a hourly basis they just talk about "what could happen". Bloody hell...they're even talking about whether or not the radiation could reach America...

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #361 on:** March 17, 2011, 10:49:59 PM »

Inside Report was doing some sensationalist story about how this huge radiation cloud was on the verge of soaring across the Pacific to kill red-blooded Americans and their families, but then Bill Nye came on and was like "Even in the worst case scenario, people in the US will only get radiation equivalent to a dental X-ray".

Diunx · « **Reply #362 on:** March 17, 2011, 11:35:38 PM »

Why the fuck are dominicans freaking out about radiation getting here!? This country becomes dumber by the week.

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #363 on:** March 17, 2011, 11:44:13 PM »

Quote from: Diunx on March 17, 2011, 11:35:38 PM

Why the fuck are dominicans freaking out about radiation getting here!? This country becomes dumber by the week.

You should spread a rumor about El Nino becoming radioactive

Diunx · « **Reply #364 on:** March 17, 2011, 11:47:55 PM »

I would probably be arrested for causing mass hysteria

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #365 on:** March 17, 2011, 11:54:03 PM »

Quote from: Diunx on March 17, 2011, 11:35:38 PM

This country becomes dumber by the week.

Glad to know that your people are coming back safe from Japan.

T-Short · « **Reply #366 on:** March 18, 2011, 04:22:47 AM »

Even NYT starting to post quite strange articles online. First there is this article which currently has an erroneous headline:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/18/world/asia/18intel.html?_r=1&hp

Headline is Radiation Spread Seen; Frantic Repairs Go On even though the article states that no radiation spread was found beyond the immediate vicinity of the plant.

Now this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/17/science/17plume.html?src=tptw

Scientists Project Path of Radiation Plume

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A United Nations forecast of the possible movement of the radioactive plume coming from crippled Japanese reactors shows it churning across the Pacific, and touching the Aleutian Islands on Thursday before hitting Southern California late Friday.

...

The projection, by the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization, an arm of the United Nations in Vienna, gives no information about actual radiation levels but only shows how a radioactive plume would probably move and disperse.

So, there is no plume, and no current worry about radiation dispersal, but IF THERE WAS, THIS IS HOW IT MIGHT MOVE

T-Short · « **Reply #367 on:** March 18, 2011, 05:45:43 AM »

who is good at chemistry? here is a timelapse graph from ZAMG in Austria of the release of ¹³¹I from Daiichi

I'm guessing "units m^-3" refers to mole mass? So 131g^-3 is the base unit and then the graph displays the concentration to various exponents?

T-Short · « **Reply #368 on:** March 18, 2011, 06:31:53 AM »

Sorry for spamming nuke info here, but I am not getting much other info on what's happening in the northeast.

Japan's Nuclear and Industy Safety Agency's Summary on Tohoku Pacific Earthquake and the seismic damage to the Nuclear Power Stations:
http://www.nisa.meti.go.jp/english/files/en20110316-3.pdf

Although this was encouraging:
http://twitter.com/#!/norishikata/statuses/48661611715624960

Being able to fly in supplies/help directly to the area is a very good thing!

chronovore · « **Reply #369 on:** March 18, 2011, 06:57:48 AM »

So, with regard to that Tweet, we can no longer say "Shikata ga nai," because now Shikata himself is tweeting shikata ari.

Please, Hyoushi. "Spam" away. You're one of the coherent sources of information on this topic. I'm thankful that you're posting here.

Here, have some lighthearted poop references:
[youtube=560,345]O1aH2-MhEko[/youtube]

T-Short · « **Reply #370 on:** March 18, 2011, 07:20:09 AM »

MIT NSE with a nice tidbit of info regarding that a partial core meltdown could still be contained within the pressure vessel, IE not reaching the "possibly damaged" containment vessels of reactors 2 and 3:

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Thankfully, operating experience with melted fuel speaks favorably. At Three Mile Island, approximately 50% of the core’s nuclear fuel melted, and just 5/8 inch (out of 9 inches) of the reactor pressure vessel’s internal surface was ablated. During the corium’s contact with the bottom of the vessel, the vessel glowed red-hot for about an hour. The heat to which the vessel was exposed induced metallurgical changes in the steel, rendering it more brittle. Instrumentation penetrations in the lower vessel head also suffered damage. Nevertheless, the molten core was contained by the vessel.

magus · « **Reply #371 on:** March 18, 2011, 07:27:31 AM »

Quote from: chronovore on March 18, 2011, 06:57:48 AM

So, with regard to that Tweet, we can no longer say "Shikata ga nai," because now Shikata himself is tweeting shikata ari.

Please, Hyoushi. "Spam" away. You're one of the coherent sources of information on this topic. I'm thankful that you're posting here.

Here, have some lighthearted poop references:
[youtube=560,345]O1aH2-MhEko[/youtube]

i'm going to tell this awesome fairy tale to the first little kid i meet
i'm not sure how anybody could say all that stuff with a straight face ^_^'

T-Short · « **Reply #372 on:** March 18, 2011, 10:46:51 AM »

MIT NSE again collated recent news about the status at Fukushima Daiichi, a LOT of good news in this post:

http://mitnse.com/2011/03/18/news-update-318/

Brehvolution · « **Reply #373 on:** March 18, 2011, 11:14:04 AM »

Quote from: Hyoushi on March 18, 2011, 05:45:43 AM

who is good at chemistry? here is a timelapse graph from ZAMG in Austria of the release of ¹³¹I from Daiichi

(Image removed from quote.)

I'm guessing "units m^-3" refers to mole mass? So 131g^-3 is the base unit and then the graph displays the concentration to various exponents?

That is pretty crazy.

T-Short · « **Reply #374 on:** March 18, 2011, 11:17:02 AM »

Quote from: Stringfellow Hawke on March 18, 2011, 11:14:50 AM

Hmm, the power cable is only for units 1 and 2? It sounds like 3 is the one that needs the cooling most, but I guess they are mostly on the way to achieving that. It's amazing what this country has managed to achieve in a week. I'm seriously humbled.

The power cable is only going to do any good for reactors 1 and 2, since 3 is too damaged to use the powered ECCS. But it is still a huuuuge weight off their shoulders so they can focus the effort on #3.

edit: additionally, the biggest problem with #3 is the spent fuel pool, not the core. The unit that has had the biggest core problem is #2, so this is definitely good news.

T-Short · « **Reply #375 on:** March 18, 2011, 12:13:39 PM »

Re. that animated graph, note that the timeline ends tomorrow midnight. I also found no date when that was published, so hard to tell how much of that graph is measured data and how much is simulated. Maybe it's just a simulation for the wind, assuming a constant emission of ¹³¹I from the plant based on some one-time measurement. No idea how they could even simulate it otherwise, hehe

Powerslave · « **Reply #376 on:** March 18, 2011, 07:30:14 PM »

>implying anyone knows wtf you're talking about

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #377 on:** March 18, 2011, 09:15:21 PM »

>implying there's anything we could do about it even if we did know, because the radioactive zombie apocalypse is about to kill us all

T-Short · « **Reply #378 on:** March 22, 2011, 11:22:43 AM »

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2011/03/21/ng.japan.radiation.hln

Who is this woman, and why is she allowed to be on TV

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #379 on:** March 22, 2011, 11:52:48 AM »

Quote from: Hyoushi on March 18, 2011, 05:45:43 AM

who is good at chemistry? here is a timelapse graph from ZAMG in Austria of the release of ¹³¹I from Daiichi

(Image removed from quote.)

I'm guessing "units m^-3" refers to mole mass? So 131g^-3 is the base unit and then the graph displays the concentration to various exponents?

Reminded me of

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Great Rumbler · « **Reply #380 on:** March 22, 2011, 02:14:53 PM »

Quote from: Hyoushi on March 22, 2011, 11:22:43 AM

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2011/03/21/ng.japan.radiation.hln

Who is this woman, and why is she allowed to be on TV

Doesn't she have some kidnapped white girl's parents to harangue?

chronovore · « **Reply #381 on:** March 22, 2011, 06:56:11 PM »

Quote from: Hyoushi on March 22, 2011, 11:22:43 AM

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2011/03/21/ng.japan.radiation.hln

Who is this woman, and why is she allowed to be on TV

Jesus, what a cunt.

Herr Mafflard · « **Reply #382 on:** March 22, 2011, 07:18:06 PM »

"Your mouth to God's Ear, Bernie. Your mouth to God's Ear"

I am gonna use that line whenever someone disagrees with me on the internet now. I mean it - don't y'all ever try to contradict me with your so-called well reasoned arguments.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #383 on:** March 22, 2011, 08:03:52 PM »

Quote from: Spencer on March 22, 2011, 07:10:30 PM

Wow, she personifies the kind of blind ignorance I hate more than anything. Nothing bugs me more than people who are absolutely wrong and aren't open to further information.

I absolutely cannot stand her or her show. The bulk of the time is spent throwing grieving parents [who either have a child that's been murdered or kidnapped] in front of the camera and jumping on every single aspect of their lives in search of a confession.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #384 on:** March 22, 2011, 10:14:27 PM »

You've never seen Nancy Grace before???

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #385 on:** March 22, 2011, 10:25:04 PM »

She's like the unfunny, annoying version of Judge Judy.

Or the female Bill O'Reilly

Edit: Actually, I take that last one back, because it's unfair to Bill O'Reilly. Read here:

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The Supreme Court of Georgia has twice commented on Grace's conduct as a prosecutor. First, in a 1994 heroin drug trafficking case, Bell v. State, the Court declared a mistrial, saying that Grace had "exceeded the wide latitude of closing argument" by drawing comparisons to unrelated murder and rape cases.[13]

In 1997, the court was more severe, overturning the murder-arson conviction of businessman W. W. Carr in the death of his wife. While the court said its reversal was not due to these transgressions, since the case had turned primarily on circumstantial evidence, it nevertheless concluded "the conduct of the prosecuting attorney in this case demonstrated her disregard of the notions of due process and fairness, and was inexcusable."[14] Carr was freed in 2004 when The Georgia Supreme Court ruled unanimously that Fulton County had waited too long to retry him.

Despite upholding the conviction she sought, a panel of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals wrote in a 2005 opinion that Grace "played fast and loose" with her ethical duties and failed to "fulfill her responsibilities" as a prosecutor in the 1990 triple murder trial of Herbert Connell Stephens.[15] The court agreed that it was "difficult to conclude that Grace did not knowingly use ... [apparently false] testimony" from a detective that there were no other suspects, despite the existence of outstanding arrest warrants for other men.[15]

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Grace interviewed Duckett less than two weeks after the child went missing, questioning her for her alleged lack of openness regarding her son's disappearance, asking Duckett "Where were you? Why aren't you telling us where you were that day?"[18] Duckett appeared confused and was unable to answer whether or not she had taken a polygraph test. When Grace asked her why she could not account for specific details, Duckett began to reply, "Because I was told not to," to which Grace responded, "Ms. Duckett, you are not telling us for a reason. What is the reason? You refuse to give even the simplest facts of where you were with your son before he went missing. It is day twelve." According to the CNN transcript, Duckett replied, "(INAUDIBLE) with all media. It's not just there, just all media. Period." Grace then moved on to a media psychologist who asserted that Duckett was "skirting around the issue."[17][18]

The next day, before the airing of the show, Duckett shot herself, a death that relatives claim was influenced by media scrutiny, particularly from Grace.[17][19] Speaking to The Orlando Sentinel, Duckett's grandfather Bill Eubank said, "Nancy Grace and the others, they just bashed her to the end. She was not one anyone ever would have thought of to do something like this."[17] CNN has also been criticized for allowing the show to air in the wake of Duckett's suicide.

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Grace took a pro-prosecution position throughout the 2006 Duke University lacrosse case, in which Crystal Gail Mangum, an African-American stripper and North Carolina Central University student, falsely accused three members of Duke University's men's lacrosse team of raping her at a party. Prior to Duke suspending its men's lacrosse team's season, she sarcastically noted on the air, "I'm so glad they didn't miss a lacrosse game over a little thing like gang rape!" and "Why would you go to a cop in an alleged gang rape case, say, and lie and give misleading information?"[25] After the disbarment of District Attorney Mike Nifong, Attorney General Roy Cooper pronounced all three players innocent of the rape charges made by Mangum.[26] On the following broadcast of her show, Grace did not appear and a substitute reporter, Jane Velez-Mitchell, announced the removal of all charges.

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During the Elizabeth Smart case, when suspect Richard Ricci was arrested by police on the basis that he had a criminal record and had worked on the Smarts' home, Grace immediately and repeatedly proclaimed on CourtTV and CNN's Larry King that Ricci "was guilty," although there was little evidence to support this claim. She also suggested publicly that Ricci's girlfriend was involved in the cover-up of his alleged crime. Grace continued to accuse Ricci, though he died while in custody.[27]

It was later revealed that Smart was kidnapped by Brian David Mitchell and Wanda Barzee, two individuals with whom Richard Ricci had no connection.[28]

When CourtTV confronted Grace seven months later to ask whether she was incorrect in her assertion that Ricci was guilty, and whether or not she felt bad about it in any way, she stated that Ricci was "a known ex-con, a known felon, and brought suspicion on himself, so who could blame anyone for claiming he was the perpetrator?" When Larry King asked her about the matter, she equated criticism of herself with criticism of the police in the case. She said: "I'm not letting you take the police with me on a guilt trip."[29]

In July 2006, while interviewing Smart, Grace repeatedly asked her for information regarding her experience. Smart told her she didn't feel comfortable discussing it, despite Grace's persistence in the matter. Finally, Grace stopped when Smart said she "didn't appreciate [Grace] bringing all this up."

Purple Filth · « **Reply #386 on:** March 22, 2011, 11:24:05 PM »

Quote from: Hyoushi on March 17, 2011, 10:41:38 AM

Uh, not as in "I buy yellowcake and do criticality experiments in my backyard reactor pile"

More as in "I read a lot of info on the subject and watch documentaries"

oh, i thought you would be like this guy

I'm hearing the death toll is over 9000 now

chronovore · « **Reply #387 on:** March 23, 2011, 12:07:17 AM »

Oh, so Nancy Grace was the inspiration for that one episode of Leverage where a woman reporter with a scarily similar haircut? Interesting.

She's horrible.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #388 on:** March 23, 2011, 12:34:07 AM »

Quote from: chronovore on March 23, 2011, 12:07:17 AM

Oh, so Nancy Grace was the inspiration for that one episode of Leverage where a woman reporter with a scarily similar haircut? Interesting.

She's horrible.

Her Wikipedia article gives a pretty good summation of the kind of person she is: an egotistical witch absolutely convinced that she has the right to be judge and jury.

chronovore · « **Reply #389 on:** March 23, 2011, 12:39:11 AM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 23, 2011, 12:34:07 AM

Quote from: chronovore on March 23, 2011, 12:07:17 AM
Oh, so Nancy Grace was the inspiration for that one episode of Leverage where a woman reporter with a scarily similar haircut? Interesting.

She's horrible.

Her Wikipedia article gives a pretty good summation of the kind of person she is: an egotistical witch absolutely convinced that she has the right to be judge and jury.

I don't think I can deal with the amount of anger she would generate in me right now. I'll check it when I'm more fatigued and inured to humanity's inherent filthiness.

Quote from: InfectedGib on March 22, 2011, 07:18:06 PM

"Your mouth to God's Ear, Bernie. Your mouth to God's Ear"

I am gonna use that line whenever someone disagrees with me on the internet now. I mean it - don't y'all ever try to contradict me with your so-called well reasoned arguments.

She should be required to change that to "Liar, liar! Pants on fire!" It's just as logical and has an equal amount of relevance.

Pringo · « **Reply #390 on:** March 23, 2011, 12:51:03 AM »

There's a Japanese guy that was in a few of my classes this semester but he hasn't been around for the last little while. Turns out apparently his whole extended family died during the disaster. $:-\$

Feels bad man.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #391 on:** March 23, 2011, 04:53:58 AM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 23, 2011, 12:34:07 AM

Quote from: chronovore on March 23, 2011, 12:07:17 AM
Oh, so Nancy Grace was the inspiration for that one episode of Leverage where a woman reporter with a scarily similar haircut? Interesting.

She's horrible.

Her Wikipedia article gives a pretty good summation of the kind of person she is: an egotistical witch absolutely convinced that she has the right to be judge and jury.

There was an AWESOME clip from Swift Justice where someone was pleading their case and Nancy went on a tirade about what a horrible person they were, then she said "I'm not judging you"

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #392 on:** March 24, 2011, 02:19:27 PM »

She knows it's bullshit and is just trying to gain ratings with alarmist shit. That's what she does. she doesn't care about anyone but herself/ratings

chronovore · « **Reply #393 on:** March 25, 2011, 11:13:27 AM »

We should set her on fire, and watch the ratings. Win-win!

T-Short · « **Reply #394 on:** March 26, 2011, 05:27:26 PM »

[youtube=560,345]Cy-MOZwr5G0[/youtube]

damn this is crazy. liquefaction of reclaimed land at Urayasu City in Chiba during the earthquake

Himu · « **Reply #395 on:** March 26, 2011, 06:53:05 PM »

hyoshi: on cnn last night i saw something about radiation levels near the fukushima reactor being 1000x legal levels?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #396 on:** March 26, 2011, 06:54:24 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 26, 2011, 06:53:05 PM

hyoshi: on cnn last night i saw something about radiation levels near the fukushima reactor being 1000x legal levels?

How does that effect me in Michigan?!?!!?!?

Himu · « **Reply #397 on:** March 26, 2011, 06:56:17 PM »

Japan destroyed American families with their cars and technology, this is just the country once again stickin' it to michigan and the american car industry and the american family. And never forget, pearl harbor.

chronovore · « **Reply #398 on:** March 26, 2011, 07:01:07 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 26, 2011, 06:56:17 PM

Japan destroyed American families with their cars and technology, this is just the country once again stickin' it to michigan and the american car industry and the american family. And never forget, pearl harbor.

-- sadly, there are thousands of people online who would twat this seriously. Twats.

Quote from: Hyoushi on March 26, 2011, 05:27:26 PM

[youtube=560,345]Cy-MOZwr5G0[/youtube]

damn this is crazy. liquefaction of reclaimed land at Urayasu City in Chiba during the earthquake

Yeah, that would freak me out. I love her understatement: "Chotto mazui..." -- I'd have said, "Oh, fuck! I am shitting my pants! If only I could use my own shit to fill these damned holes!"

Himu · « **Reply #399 on:** March 26, 2011, 07:08:48 PM »

Quote from: chronovore on March 26, 2011, 07:01:07 PM

Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 26, 2011, 06:56:17 PM
Japan destroyed American families with their cars and technology, this is just the country once again stickin' it to michigan and the american car industry and the american family. And never forget, pearl harbor.
-- sadly, there are thousands of people online who would twat this seriously. Twats.

[youtube=560,345]lhCEF9zerx8#t=05m03s[/youtube]

T-Short · « **Reply #400 on:** March 27, 2011, 04:33:54 AM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 26, 2011, 06:53:05 PM

hyoshi: on cnn last night i saw something about radiation levels near the fukushima reactor being 1000x legal levels?

This probably refers to the measurements taken in the seawater 300m out from the plant. The "1000x legal levels" refers to the measurement taken of Iodine-131, which was 1250 times above the threshold of 40Bq/kg. The threshold is set very conservatively, the recommended maximum levels for drinking water in Japan is 100Bq/kg for infants and 300Bq/kg for adults. Still, that's quite a high concentration, but numbers were way down 90 minutes later, and it's also worth noting that ¹³¹I has a relatively short half-life of 8 days. Should disperse fairly rapidly if there are no more big emissions. There were also elevated levels (but not by as much) of Cesium-137, which has a half-life of 30 years.

In conclusion, whenever you hear one of those "omg 10000x higher than NORMAL" reports that the news network love, try to work out what the "normal" level is and if it was a one-time measurement or something observed over a longer time period.

edit: clarification.

chronovore · « **Reply #401 on:** March 27, 2011, 06:28:17 AM »

Hyoushi bearing the pimp slap of reality against media hyperbole.

T-Short · « **Reply #402 on:** March 27, 2011, 07:27:48 AM »

What concerns me now is the amount of hugely irradiated water they have sloshing around in the turbine halls... The two workers that got beta burns on their legs were working in 30cm of water and it spilled into their boots... Doesn't seem they are getting good equipment. Hopefully TEPCO can find a way to contain and get rid of this water soon.

Corporal · « **Reply #403 on:** March 27, 2011, 09:39:33 AM »

But they ignored their fucking Dosimeters.
That's got nothing to do with equipment. They had at least one warning device on them, and it did its job and alerted them to the danger. And they chose to continue in spite of the warning.

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-spoiler edited in to keep my folly on the net. This is the rest of my previously unedited post.

I mean, I'm not saying they deserve the 2-6 Sievert dose into their legs, far from it. They're working under conditions that would probably drive a normal man into suicide. On their shoulders rest the fate of millions of people, and there's a danger of lasting effects and instant death should they be at the wrong place at the wrong time. I understand that they want to get this under control and locked down ASAP, that they're giving their all, and that they're probably at their limits. I really do. Sitting in my comfy chair thousands of kilometers away really doesn't help me or make me an expert.

That doesn't really change the fact that there was no point to sloshing around in the water, though. These guys are professionals, even if two of them aren't Tepco employees IIRC. Their task was not fixing an immediate time-critical threat at all costs, at least as far as we're aware. There was no need for heroics. They were sent in to fix shit, and they should've done a U-turn and reported the situation once they hit the dead end. They didn't. They fixed the stuff, and now the team is down three qualified engineers because of that. It remains to be seen whether that was a good trade-off.

Just burns me up that all the info we're given points to the fact that this situation could have been avoided. Shitsux. $:-\$

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Edit: Or not.

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Tepco spokesperson Yoshimi Hitosugi said that the utility company did not know about the contaminated water in the No. 3 unit until the injuries occurred. "There was no water in No. 3 the day before when our staff checked same place," Hitosugi said. “So we thought it would not be problem on next day.”

One subcontracted worker who laid cables for new electrical lines March 19 described chaotic conditions and lax supervision that made him nervous. Masataka Hishida said neither he nor the workers around him were given a dosimeter, a device used to measure one’s exposure to radiation. He was surprised that workers were not given special shoes; rather, they were told to put plastic bags over their street shoots. When he was trying on the gas mask for the first time, he said the supervisor told him and other subcontractors, “Listen carefully, I’m only going to say this one time” while explaining how to use it.

Tepco

IAEA

for stating they ignored the dosimeters. I realize they're just relaying the info they get, but still, that's a bit rich.

T-Short · « **Reply #404 on:** March 27, 2011, 01:20:05 PM »

hehe Corporal. Did you watch this short docu about Genpatsu Ginza in Kansai?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4411946789896689299#

It's from 1995 and I think it's a VHS rip, but still, it gives you some insight into what a "subcontracted worker" might mean at a Japanese nuclear power plant.

T-Short · « **Reply #405 on:** March 27, 2011, 01:29:05 PM »

fleep.com updated the graphs to also include ¹³¹I levels for various water purifying plants. example:

The spike here is related to the rain in Tokyo on the 21:st - 22:nd, which also raised the background rad levels somewhat in the affected areas. Purifying plants have already looked into covering their reservoirs in case of rain.

Corporal · « **Reply #406 on:** March 27, 2011, 06:50:24 PM »

Quote from: Hyoushi on March 27, 2011, 01:20:05 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4411946789896689299#

That's sickening.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #407 on:** March 28, 2011, 01:43:39 PM »

Saw this at gaf. Unbelievable!

[youtube=560,345]cmTb8y84KEQ[/youtube]

T-Short · « **Reply #408 on:** March 29, 2011, 03:40:22 AM »

Got linked to this article by a friend:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/radiation-levels-reach-new-highs-as-conditions-worsen-for-workers/2011/03/27/AFsMLFiB_story.html

Radiation levels at Japan nuclear plant reach new highs

They talk about the irradiated water that is collecting in the turbine halls, and with the help of a dood named Arnie Gundersen, "a consultant at Fairewinds Associates with 40 years of experience overseeing boiling-water reactors", they bring up a theory that graphite seals around the control rod drivers at the bottom of the pressure vessel are damaged and leaking. Quote here:

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Unlike in newer reactor designs, the older boiling-water reactors at Daiichi are pierced by dozens of holes in the bottoms of their reactor vessels. Each hole allows one control rod — made of a neutron-absorbing material that quickly stops nuclear fission inside the reactor — to slide into the reactor from below, as happened when the earthquake shook the plant March 11. During normal operations, a graphite stopper covers each hole, sealing in highly radioactive primary cooling water, said Arnie Gundersen, a consultant at Fairewinds Associates with 40 years of experience overseeing boiling-water reactors.

But at temperatures above 350 degrees Fahrenheit, the graphite stoppers begin to melt.

Graphite begins to melt at 3500K (5800F), not 350F. Also, the graver implication is, if water got out of the RPV through the bottom, it would still have to get out of the containment vessel, which would mean that containment is breached as well. Weird article with a VERY significant factual error.

I emailed Nuclear Sciences and Engineering at MIT about it, asking about how the fact that the control rod drivers enter at the bottom of the RPV would change the scenario at a partial/total fuel meltdown. I linked to their article about worst case scenarios earlier in this thread, in which they talk about Three Mile Island as a favorable example of when molten fuel (50%) was contained in the RPV. But that was a pressurized water reactor, and had the fuel rod assembly at the top of the RPV. MIT NSE acknowledged: "I am not terribly familiar with that aspect of BWR technology, and you do bring up a good point. The control rod penetrations in the bottom of the vessel do alter the molten fuel-vessel interaction dynamics, but I am not sure of the exact effects." :/

T-Short · « **Reply #409 on:** March 29, 2011, 03:43:17 AM »

Also, I saw the P-word is finally getting into the media now after plutonium-238 being found in soil samples at Fukushima Daiichi. Interestingly enough, only a fraction of the plutonium found came from the reactor there, the rest was residue after atmospheric nuclear testing in the pacific area 40-50 years ago. Gives you an idea how small the concentration actually is.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #410 on:** March 29, 2011, 04:30:06 AM »

what do those idiots at MIT know compared to

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T-Short · « **Reply #411 on:** March 29, 2011, 08:45:07 AM »

Really creepy video from APF News, filmed inside the 20km exclusion zone at Fukushima Daiichi on friday the 25:th.

http://www.apfnews.com/whatsnew/2011/03/apf_news_326_20.html

I was kinda creeped out when there's suddenly another car ahead of them. I also like that he still uses his turn signals in total no mans land. Lots of :'( moments in here too

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #412 on:** March 29, 2011, 09:47:17 AM »

Quote from: Hyoushi on March 29, 2011, 08:45:07 AM

Really creepy video from APF News, filmed inside the 20km exclusion zone at Fukushima Daiichi on friday the 25:th.

http://www.apfnews.com/whatsnew/2011/03/apf_news_326_20.html

I was kinda creeped out when there's suddenly another car ahead of them. I also like that he still uses his turn signals in total no mans land. Lots of :'( moments in here too

Do you know what they're talking about with the people in the truck?

T-Short · « **Reply #413 on:** March 29, 2011, 01:07:15 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 29, 2011, 09:47:17 AM

Quote from: Hyoushi on March 29, 2011, 08:45:07 AM
Really creepy video from APF News, filmed inside the 20km exclusion zone at Fukushima Daiichi on friday the 25:th.

http://www.apfnews.com/whatsnew/2011/03/apf_news_326_20.html

I was kinda creeped out when there's suddenly another car ahead of them. I also like that he still uses his turn signals in total no mans land. Lots of :'( moments in here too

Do you know what they're talking about with the people in the truck?

Nah, I don't know nearly enough Japanese. Seems like they came down from Souma to return to the exclusion zone, that sign they pass in the beginning seems to say 小田川 Otagawa, so it seems the film crew entered the 20km zone from the north.

T-Short · « **Reply #414 on:** March 30, 2011, 10:33:51 AM »

Video from Onagawa, showing tsunami aftermath and signs of damage at 20m+ elevation over sealevel

[youtube=560,345]ZGcyAHEXZzs[/youtube]

Brehvolution · « **Reply #415 on:** March 30, 2011, 11:31:43 AM »

Damn

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #416 on:** March 31, 2011, 08:42:05 PM »

oh god, Japanese TV is CONSTANTLY explaining the numbers. You'd have to be a complete distinguished mentally-challenged fellow not to have a thorough understanding of magnitudes, sieverts and becquerels by now. One thing they cannot be faulted for is an aversion to math.

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #417 on:** March 31, 2011, 09:19:19 PM »

Quote from: Zero Hero on March 28, 2011, 01:43:39 PM

Saw this at gaf. Unbelievable!

[youtube=560,345]cmTb8y84KEQ[/youtube]

I'm always amazed at the calmness of the Japanese people. No screaming or yelling, just looking on.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #418 on:** March 31, 2011, 09:39:01 PM »

Quote from: BlueTsunami on March 31, 2011, 09:19:19 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on March 28, 2011, 01:43:39 PM
Saw this at gaf. Unbelievable!

[youtube=560,345]cmTb8y84KEQ[/youtube]

I'm always amazed at the calmness of the Japanese people. No screaming or yelling, just looking on.

I don't know, man, I think at some point things just get so huge that you really can't even come up with a reaction at all.

T234 · « **Reply #419 on:** April 01, 2011, 01:38:24 AM »

Quote from: The Business on March 31, 2011, 10:04:25 PM

That video is probably one of the craziest things I've ever seen (and I did two tours in Iraq).

Agreed. I've seen and done some crazy shit in my life but I ain't never seen anything like that.

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