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Title: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 06, 2011, 01:15:25 PM
I got to the lighthouse on my first play through and sort of fizzled out. Not sure why but I feel a little more receptive to the game this time around.
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: Diunx on July 06, 2011, 02:07:13 PM
The game is actually better the second time :bow best FF :bow2
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 06, 2011, 02:09:54 PM
Actually playing it on a big screen tv and surround sound is helping to pull me in. I think playing it on my small TV in my room didn't really help in regards to making the story, characters and music engaging.
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: magus on July 06, 2011, 02:21:58 PM
THEATRHYTM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FF12
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 06, 2011, 02:33:49 PM
smh
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 06, 2011, 10:05:14 PM
what's with the vaguely phallic shapes pervading your maps
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: naff on July 06, 2011, 10:22:03 PM
Awesome! The second FFXII replay thread in a month. Not enough :bow for this game, even in its unfinished state. Someday I'll get around to playing the International version

edit: read through your FFXII thread Borys. Lol'd so hard when Himu said he hadn't been using gambits for 50 hours then decided to use them and suddenly the game was good :lol :lol :lol So much distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, but he atoned for his sins
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 07, 2011, 12:32:34 AM
Real talk. Fran is oddly attractive.
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: Himu on July 07, 2011, 12:36:35 AM
:bow :bow :bow

THIS GAME

Anyone up for an FF12: International run sometime this fall?
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 07, 2011, 12:41:04 AM
I'm wondering if I should have just downloaded and played the International version (I own the physical game but its scratched to hell so I downloaded and patched a downloaded ISO to play via HDLoader). I'm about 3 hours in and may consider restarting just to get down with any benefits from the International version.
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: Himu on July 07, 2011, 12:45:47 AM
Do it.

It has a job system. Rebalanced gameplay. NEED.
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 07, 2011, 01:09:40 AM
Fuck, I'm doing it. I never liked how the License board was the same for everyone. Plus it'll make getting to the point where I left off a little more fresh.
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: Diunx on July 07, 2011, 01:13:21 AM
:bow Borys :bow2
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 07, 2011, 01:33:45 AM
Worst fucking Final Fantasy since II. 
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: TEEEPO on July 07, 2011, 01:47:06 AM
i'm going to hopelessly wait for the hd port  :-\
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: Diunx on July 07, 2011, 09:31:58 AM
Brandnew's amazingly shitty taste doesn't even shock me anymore.
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 07, 2011, 01:06:52 PM
You can't change jobs after you've chosen a board? *sniffles* I made Vann a Knight thinking I could change it sometime down the line but I guess not. Also made Panelo a Black Mage. Hope I don't regret this decisions.
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: Himu on July 07, 2011, 01:09:53 PM
nope. permanent.
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 07, 2011, 01:54:49 PM
Brandnew's amazingly shitty taste doesn't even shock me anymore.

The game is terrible, come on.  Awful character interplay, boring and flawed battle system, an uninventive upgrade system, and awful awful AWFUL loot/gil system.  It's beautiful music and wonderful art design don't save it.

Ranking wars:

6 > 4 > 5 > 9 > 7 > 10 > 13 > 3 > 8 > 1 > 12 > 2
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: magus on July 07, 2011, 02:19:08 PM
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The game is terrible, come on.  Awful character interplay, boring and flawed battle system, an uninventive upgrade system, and awful awful AWFUL loot/gil system.  It's beautiful music and wonderful art design don't save it.

shocking but i must agree with the ninthing here....
actualy scratch even "beatiful music and wonderful art design" because it's the usual "TRUMPET AND BROWN ON EVERYTHING" matsuno/sakimoto stuff

you know it's really funny when you think matsuno ended up working for level 5... where the heck he's going to put all that brown in a level 5 game,the guys who make heavy abuse of cellshading?

maybe they'll let him direct white knight chronicle 3 :teehee

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Ranking wars:

7 > 10 > 9 > 13 > 8 > 6 > 3 > 12 > 5 > 4 > 1 > 2
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: demi on July 07, 2011, 02:37:21 PM
After BrandNew praising Mother M as a "solid action title" I am inclined to agree with Diunx.
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 07, 2011, 02:38:40 PM
Brandnew's amazingly shitty taste doesn't even shock me anymore.

The game is terrible, come on.  Awful character interplay, boring and flawed battle system, an uninventive upgrade system, and awful awful AWFUL loot/gil system.  It's beautiful music and wonderful art design don't save it.

Ranking wars:

6 > 4 > 5 > 9 > 7 > 10 > 13 > 3 > 8 > 1 > 12 > 2

The International version actually has some fantastic changes. Certain spells are actually Area of Effect now, so enemy groups are easier to take down. Also the chance to get good loot from chests seems to have been changed in favor of getting the better loot. I've gotten more items from chests instead of shitty low gil treasures. That's pretty huge seeing as how the non-international version drops and loot system really pissed me off.

About the characters in general, its definitely a bit dry but I actually prefer this to wacky jappy XIII and obnoxious extreme archetypes in X.

The world in XII feels cohesive too, which is a big plus. I hate muddled art direction.
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: Himu on July 07, 2011, 02:58:07 PM
12=8 > 6 > X-2 > 5 > 4 > 9 > 7 > 10 > 1 > 3 > 2 > 13
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: Himu on July 07, 2011, 03:01:00 PM
Brandnew's amazingly shitty taste doesn't even shock me anymore.

The game is terrible, come on.  Awful character interplay, boring and flawed battle system, an uninventive upgrade system, and awful awful AWFUL loot/gil system.  It's beautiful music and wonderful art design don't save it.

Ranking wars:

6 > 4 > 5 > 9 > 7 > 10 > 13 > 3 > 8 > 1 > 12 > 2

The International version actually has some fantastic changes. Certain spells are actually Area of Effect now, so enemy groups are easier to take down. Also the chance to get good loot from chests seems to have been changed in favor of getting the better loot. I've gotten more items from chests instead of shitty low gil treasures. That's pretty huge seeing as how the non-international version drops and loot system really pissed me off.

About the characters in general, its definitely a bit dry but I actually prefer this to wacky jappy XIII and obnoxious extreme archetypes in X.

The world in XII feels cohesive too, which is a big plus. I hate muddled art direction.

In original FF12 certain chests had specific drop rates. Drop rates for rare items are now considerably higher in FF12i.
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: Himu on July 07, 2011, 03:01:51 PM
Brandnew's amazingly shitty taste doesn't even shock me anymore.

The game is terrible, come on.  Awful character interplay, boring and flawed battle system, an uninventive upgrade system, and awful awful AWFUL loot/gil system.  It's beautiful music and wonderful art design don't save it.

Ranking wars:

6 > 4 > 5 > 9 > 7 > 10 > 13 > 3 > 8 > 1 > 12 > 2

better than any scene in your favorite FF:

[youtube=560,345]aMGQOX1zKdA[/youtube]
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: magus on July 07, 2011, 03:05:29 PM
Brandnew's amazingly shitty taste doesn't even shock me anymore.

The game is terrible, come on.  Awful character interplay, boring and flawed battle system, an uninventive upgrade system, and awful awful AWFUL loot/gil system.  It's beautiful music and wonderful art design don't save it.

Ranking wars:

6 > 4 > 5 > 9 > 7 > 10 > 13 > 3 > 8 > 1 > 12 > 2

better than any scene in your favorite FF:

[youtube=560,345]aMGQOX1zKdA[/youtube]

everytime himuro post that cutscene i always think the same thing

"i have no idea who are half of these character talki... oh right matsuno plot"
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 07, 2011, 03:08:08 PM
I also want to say how much I fucking love the ability to speed up the game. This needs to be in EVERY JRPG RELEASED EVER.
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: Himu on July 07, 2011, 03:10:20 PM

everytime himuro post that cutscene i always think the same thing

"i have no idea who are half of these character talki... oh right matsuno plot"

[youtube=560,345]5GsmF4w6TbE[/youtube]

:bow
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 07, 2011, 03:12:49 PM
Brandnew's amazingly shitty taste doesn't even shock me anymore.

The game is terrible, come on.  Awful character interplay, boring and flawed battle system, an uninventive upgrade system, and awful awful AWFUL loot/gil system.  It's beautiful music and wonderful art design don't save it.

Ranking wars:

6 > 4 > 5 > 9 > 7 > 10 > 13 > 3 > 8 > 1 > 12 > 2

better than any scene in your favorite FF:

[youtube=560,345]aMGQOX1zKdA[/youtube]

everytime himuro post that cutscene i always think the same thing

"i have no idea who are half of these character talki... oh right matsuno plot"

Yeah, I mean, it's no Solatorobo, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: Himu on July 07, 2011, 03:22:31 PM
12=8 > 6 > X-2 > 5 > 4 > 9 > 7 > 10 > 1 > 3 > 2 > 13

:bow :bow :bow

12=8 > 6 > X-2 > 5 > 4 > 9 > 7 > 10 > 1 > 3 > 2 > 13

smh

Sorry Borys, just not my cup of tea. If you couldn't tell by my rankings, I prefer FF's the place an emphasis on user choice, customization, and exploration, FF13 does not provide this. It is anti-me.
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: magus on July 07, 2011, 04:29:52 PM
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Sorry Borys, just not my cup of tea.

himuro and kawazu sitting on a tree playing unlimited saga
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: Himu on July 07, 2011, 04:34:34 PM
i don't like kawazu games. i think they get user customization and user choice completely wrong.
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: magus on July 07, 2011, 05:03:15 PM
i don't like kawazu games. i think they get user customization and user choice completely wrong.

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2 > 13

himuro and kawazu beating their own party member together
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: SantaC on July 07, 2011, 05:04:32 PM
Best Final Fantasy ever.

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=32704.0

(http://i47.tinypic.com/ekot1z.jpg)

(http://i48.tinypic.com/2cde3h3.jpg)

(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/6529/p1000803x.jpg)


yes yes we agree
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 09, 2011, 02:22:41 AM
If I ever play through a third time I think I'll really look at the party class composition. As it stands I like what I've got going except for Balthier (who I made a Machinist). Seems like a pretty worthless class considering how slow it is and the weakness of guns. The game should have allowed class changes but with a penalty (something like totally resetting the licenses of the former class). It sucks to be locked into a job you're not feeling hours down the line. Other than that though I've got my characters setup as...

Vann: Knight
Panelo: Black Mage
Balthier: Machinist
Fran: Red Mage
Basch: Uhlan
Ashe: Thinking about making her a Samurai

The only deficiency seems to be white magic which is why I'm still thinking about Ashe's class. Hmmm. Fran and Ashe have innate Cure but I'm sure near and at the end game I'll need a tier 2 or 3 curing spell.
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 09, 2011, 09:57:26 AM
Why is Borys playing Final Fantasy XII in the rape dumpster? I didn't even know we had electricity out there. ???
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: Diunx on July 09, 2011, 10:08:06 AM
12>6>8>>>>>9>>4>10-2>>10>>>7>>>1>2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>5, haven't played 3, 11 or 13.
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: Himu on July 09, 2011, 05:27:10 PM
12>6>8>

top three most definitely
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 09, 2011, 05:29:45 PM
After BrandNew praising Mother M as a "solid action title" I am inclined to agree with Diunx.

It's not a great game but I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy it.  Doesn't mean I'll play it ever again though.  It was Ninja Gaiden Lite™
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 10, 2011, 01:12:26 PM

you know it's really funny when you think matsuno ended up working for level 5... where the heck he's going to put all that brown in a level 5 game,the guys who make heavy abuse of cellshading?

Don't mean to condone this post, but the main art guys Matsuno usually works with didn't come with him to Level 5, they are still at SE afaik (working on FFXIV). I would imagine his games will have art by the regular Level 5 art staff and look like other Level 5 games.
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: tiesto on July 11, 2011, 09:22:20 PM
IT HAS BEGUN

FIANSL FATSTANY

4>6>8>10>3>9>12>1>2>11>5>7>13>14

I'm actually surprised you have 5 ranked so low, Oscar... especially since you have 3 pretty high up there.

This list changes every so often with me, but 5 and 4 are always at the top, and the online ones are always at the bottom.

5 > 4 > 7 > 3 > 6 > 9 > T > 1 > 10 > 12 > 2 > 13 > 8 > 11 > 14 > X-2
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: demi on July 11, 2011, 09:25:18 PM
He just typed random numbers, tiesto. lol.
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 12, 2011, 11:07:33 AM
Penelo as a Black Mage is a fucking beast. I can almost solo with her but its like walking on eggshells.

Sleep + Oil + Firaga = FUCK YO' SHIT
Title: Re: Started up FFXII for the second time
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 13, 2011, 02:39:20 AM
Yeah the Henne Mines make me sweat

Also, I just had a crazy experience in The Great Crystal. I wanted to get Excalibur so I tried to make a B-Line straight to it. I was reading off of two maps, ones layout was better to understand but the other had the correct treasure placement for the International version. So I finally reach the screen with Excalibur and come to find out the Ultima fight is NOT optional here (which, for some reason, it states in the International Map version). So I'm like "fuuuuuuck, I really want Excalibur" and decide to half ass this fight and see if I have a chance. Long story short, my Level 17 Balthier (everyone else is averaging around lv50, Penelo at 70) saved the day with Gil Toss. I had saved up around 200,000 Gil and set Balthier to spam Gil Toss at around 9999 to 10,000 damage per toss. I also mixed in some Mist attacks when my Techniques were sealed and couldn't use Gil Toss.

But even then Ultima goes all crazy with her big attack at the end. Just as I was about to be wiped with my final characters in play, I use Vann's Mist attack as a last ditch effort to finish off Ultima. I needed a 5 Combo at least with either Basch or Frann with Vann and got it.

That experience alone has placed this game very high in my opinion of it among other Final Fantasies. I don't remember having this intense a battle in a FF game and actually come out victorious.