THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Don Flamenco on December 14, 2011, 01:38:34 PM
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http://www.capcom-unity.com/brelston/blog/2011/12/14/street_fighter_x_tekken:_standard_and_pre-order_gems_listed,_explained
what in the flying fuck.
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god damnit, retailers
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god damnit, retailers
god damnit capcom
i can't even tell if this is an optional subsystem or if it's the game
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and so begins the second dark age of fighting games. I'm used to shmups having to use loli aesthetics to sell, I expect I'll adjust to fighters doing the same...
anyway, VF5 Final Solution is out next year so I don't care.
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A Senior Product Manager doesn't really strike me as a "special, special guest" Ms. Rene... :wag
edit: lol this video is so embarrassing. :lol
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it won't be a bad dark age like when nothing came out for years except SFAnniversary and DOA games. the scene will stick to what's good and I think SF4 and UMVC3 are deep enough to sustain interest for a long while. it's just that it won't grow a whole lot because capcom japan is fucking stupid.
but who knows, maybe this won't be so terrible, but my initial reaction is in the op...
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pre-order gems are my problem- the MvC3 costume thing was annoying, now we've got this.
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Truly truly truly outrageous.
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Between 3S online, SSF4:AE and VF5:FS I'm good for a while. Would have been nice to have a Darkstalkers or Last Blade but it's not like that's gonna happen.
And besides, Soul Calibur 5 is talked fondly of (although I haven't seen much myself) and Tekken x SF has a bigger potential to interests me than this I think.
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losing interest...
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It's not that bad. DLC gems are dumb, for sure; granting bonuses to people who buy additional content is fundamentally broken. Online is going to be fucked if there isn't some separation. From an offline competitive point of view, the FGC is just going to need to implement some sort of rules with regard to what's fair use and what isn't (i.e. on-disc gems only, no gems, all gems cry more poors). Not that big of a deal.
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no gems, final destination.
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no gems, final destination.
:lol
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If you preorder the Super-Special-OMG-Edition, all your opponents start out with half a lifebar and are forced to play as Dan.
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no gems, final destination.
Man. This is exactly what I wanted to post.
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A few gems I get (MSH) but wtf @ that many.
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so is this possible in versus? because this will break the balance of the game, right? this is dumb.
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I love when game designers are like "we know nobody wants this, but fuck you we're forcing it down your throat anyway."
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Look forward to scanning pages and pages of gems every time you select a character (and waiting for your opponent to do the same).
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(http://i.imgur.com/eAJag.jpg)
:rofl
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I think this game is made for people who flowchart and rage quit when it stops working. Just pay for some over-powered bullshit and mash it out. :derp :derp :derp
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I'm beginning to think this game is going to go the way of Pocket Fighter, which coincidentally had a gem system too-- the game gets released and is ruined by a lack of depth (or in this case, the broken gem system), players drop it quickly and go back to Street Fighter and the Vs. games.
This game NEEDS to have the gem system shit put into a separate mode. Soul Calibur IV had special item customizations that enhanced characters. Namco wisely kept this separate. And I never touched that mode once!
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i like it when ultradavid gets sassy. :-*
anyway, fuck this game hope it fails enjoy ur mountain dew to unlock gems promos capcom it's almost the 90s again
Die Ano Ono!
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I think this game is made for people who flowchart and rage quit when it stops working. Just pay for some over-powered bullshit and mash it out. :derp :derp :derp
Didn't Capcom say they want to make this a party game like Smash? I'm not even trolling, that's a genuine question. They probably just want to make it casual so they can rope back in all of the people who bought SF4 and then promptly stopped playing fighting games again.
I guess I don't really care if this game blows, anyway. There are already way more fighting games currently out there than I'll ever be able to play competently, so there will just be 1 less game to divide my time. shrug
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I could be wrong, but I don't think they have, and that might be part of what's creating the backlash. If they would say outright, "this is a party fighter", I think people would be more accepting of what they're trying to do here (there's no excusing that sort of retail exclusive DLC, but you know what I mean) rather than trying to analyze how balance is supposed to fit into all these subsystems.
Might lose a few sales from people looking for more serious, competitive fighting games, but this game is already looking like a big joke. Might as well come out with it.
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I think they would consider that a hit to their pride. They threw bullshit mechanics in their other fighting games and they were accepted competitively and I doubt Capcom/Ono/whoever is seeing the difference. The point of balance being thrown off by way of pay-to-play DLC isn't what most a shouting about - but even if there was a unified chant against pre-order and DLC gems I don't think the suits at capcom who ultimately have a say in that matter would give a shit. All is lost, hide yo wife, etc.
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Doesn't matter to me. All I've ever known is fireball and dragon punch.
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This shit is precisely why I stopped playing fighting games
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This shit is precisely why I stopped playing fighting games
But this shit isn't in all fighting games!
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VF5!! the savior!!!
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hmmm, i don't know if I'll ever like it as much as I liked VF4 and Evo. they had nice addicting single player modes though.
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monkey girl :bow2
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hmmm, i don't know if I'll ever like it as much as I liked VF4 and Evo. they had nice addicting single player modes though.
vf5 had an even better sp mode than vf4
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monkey girl :bow2
She had the best music too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqfHvCCCdM8
Too bad the VF5R and VF5FS versions aren't as good
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Who thought this was a good idea?
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Who thought this was a good idea?
marketing
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I only just now got the awesome pun in the thread title
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I don't play fighting games anymore so my opinion is worthless but I like the idea of the gems as a general concept. I liked Gem Fighter back in the day balanced be damned because it was fun and different. Not everything has to be super serious and made for an elite fighting game crowd. Not to mention Capcom puts out a fighter a year now so its seems very easy to skip a version if you don't like this.
Now the retailer exclusive bonus shit would piss me the fuck off. That's some stupid evil shit right there. It would be like playing COD but I could only get the quickdraw perk if I bought the game from a specific store. That is nuts. You can't leave out important gameplay stuff and divide it up as retailer shit. Leave that to costumes or other extra cosmetic perks.
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VF5!! the savior!!!
Would much rather play a CCG fighter than The Most Boring Fighting Game In The Universe.
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VF5!! the savior!!!
Would much rather play a CCG fighter than The Most Boring Fighting Game In The Universe.
God you do have shit taste. :-\
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I looked up "CCG" and then I laughed.
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I wonder what Owl Face actually likes, and if, when he discusses those things, he is able to articulate something resembling a thought-out opinion.
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Probably likes Nintendo games and Tekken.
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I would probably still be playing VF5 today if it hadn't come out at a time when there wasn't a good arcade stick option for the HD consoles. Wrestling precise motions out of that fucking Hori EX2 was not worth it, unfortunately.
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all i remember about vf5 360 online is the lag
is there still a community?
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I wonder what Owl Face actually likes, and if, when he discusses those things, he is able to articulate something resembling a thought-out opinion.
Don't worry, I promise that when somebody takes a harmless jab at a game I like the tears will flow like wine. It's only fair.
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VF5 is the only game at which I continuously whomp ass. Then the people I beat tell me VF sucks and isnt worth playing :'(
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I don't understand why people dislike VF. Guess they're too used to their Tekken and Smash Bros.
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all i remember about vf5 360 online is the lag
is there still a community?
There are a total of 6 registered users on the VFDC forum right now, so I would say no. http://virtuafighter.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/forum_summary
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810 people like Virtua Fighter on facebook, surely that counts for something!
I don't understand why people dislike VF. Guess they're too used to their Tekken and Smash Bros.
HIT SPARKS
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That's what happens when you do constant arcade updates and then:
1.) Don't release them in the USA
2.) Don't release console versions
Seriously, look at the number of releases in the Tekken series vs. the number of releases in the VF series. Sega clearly puts zero priority on it even though HOW AWESOME would it be to have VF5 on the Vita.
Actually, come to think of it, there's never been a handheld VF.
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I remember a lot of people played VF during the VF4 era. Now I'm the only person I know who plays and likes VF. :( Every time I mention VF, people say shit like "you have to count frames" and shit and I'm curious if they've ever played VF
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"Virtua Fighter is slow"
Counter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzPW-t9MxEw
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo_oTzd0k58
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The best fighting game series :bow
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo_oTzd0k58
The joke is that Virtua Fighter is actually boring. That's funny.
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Or that you're distinguished mentally-challenged
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no himu, hitsparks is the source of real fun™ #VirtuaBoredom
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Is that what those lightning things are in Tekken? They're fucking distinguished mentally-challenged. Made sense in the 1995 or whatever but including them in games past psx level of power was stupid. I play my Tekken: Dark Resurrection on ps3 and it has the depth and speed of a psx fighting game, looks like one too thanks to the crappy sparks.
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It's not that VF isn't flashy enough or whatever, it's just that it doesn't have any remotely interesting game mechanics. It's like an all-you-can-eat buffet of macaroni cheese. Who gives a shit how deep the trough is if all you are gonna get out of it is macaroni cheese. Unreal Tournament has super interesting gameplay despite being not nearly as complex as VF. You should play that - I think it's less dead than VF.
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"I think this fighting game is boring, go play this first person shooter instead"
:rofl
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You could also play Balloon Kid. Game is hott.
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How is VF boring due to its gameplay mechanics? By that argument, why play ANY fighting game? Its mechanics aren't that different from other fighters.
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He called VF complex so it's fairly likely he thinks similarly of all fighting games.
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Tekken had hitsparks to hide their shitty collision detection :P
I love both though. My arcade machine runs both Tekken 2 and VF2 :rock
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How is VF boring due to its gameplay mechanics? By that argument, why play ANY fighting game? Its mechanics aren't that different from other fighters.
I'll use an example of a character in MvC3 that is widely considered to be really boring: Nova. Nova's magical sparkly attacks use red health to do extra damage. Now, that's not much - but it's the sort of stuff I mean. For the sheer volume of shit you can do it VF, the attacks are kind of inside-the-box if you get me.
It's actually part of the reason VF has a rep as being both really deep and really well balanced (two things that ordinarily don't get along) - there aren't that many weird dynamics with hard-to-gauge effects, just a fuckton of moves and a handful of variables. Shun taking a swig is about as interesting as it gets.
I've been giving VF some shit in this thread, but I really don't dislike the game or anything and I hope you guys aren't too sour at me for shitting up the thread. Biggest issue I have is that it's just so demanding in terms of specific knowledge.
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VF characters use actual martial arts styles. You want fantasy and fireballs in VF? You're missing the whole damn point.
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FYI, I think VF4 or 5 has a hitspark option setting that causes flashes based on the type of hit (e.g. red flash for major counter).
I remember thinking the first time I saw Tekken, "those sparks must be because that dude has flashlight bulbs on his gloves" and then noticed the cheetahman was doing it too and THIS GAME IS AWESOME.
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Shun taking a swig is about as interesting as it gets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWXpzm-x61Y
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aren't VF4 hitsparks like the Tekken training mode hitsparks? with text in them and whatnot?
edit: uuuuurhg i hate character customization in these games. random items on the back, floating ghost bullshit, halos and wings. If there was a way to turn that off online so I didn't have to see someone's attempt at making a SSJ4 Goku with a sword glued to his back out of Goh I'd suck all the dicks within a 10 mile radius of Sega HQ.
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I miss the announcer from VF4 vanilla. :(
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VF characters use actual martial arts styles. You want fantasy and fireballs in VF? You're missing the whole damn point.
Well, you missed my point - but you're right that the grounding in reality is def. why there are practically zero funky gameplay ideas. And that's a big part of the reason it leaves me cold. I get why VF is the way it is, and I respect that it's valid for it to be like that, but I reserve the right to criticise it anyhow.
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I'll use an example of a character in MvC3 that is widely considered to be really boring: Nova.
???
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VF characters use actual martial arts styles. You want fantasy and fireballs in VF? You're missing the whole damn point.
Well, you missed my point - but you're right that the grounding in reality is def. why there are practically zero funky gameplay ideas. And that's a big part of the reason it leaves me cold. I get why VF is the way it is, and I respect that it's valid for it to be like that, but I reserve the right to criticise it anyhow.
Well like in the video I posted above, VF can be more than outlandish, especially as you delve into the online and sp modes. A lot of the shit modern fighters use in their sp modes today? THey ripped that shit off from Virtua Fighter 4. Virtua Fighter 4 and 5's sp mode in particular is anything but generic or bland or boring and can be legitimately difficult and challenging.
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Shun taking a swig is about as interesting as it gets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWXpzm-x61Y
I don't think you are getting me, but I don't know that character (never played 5) so maybe there's something going on under the hood that I'm supposed to be seeing? Maybe I haven't made myself clear, idk.
I was watching some Tekken fights just before and it's hilarious how much better VF5 is in terms of motion and flow - VF is actually flashier.
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VF characters use actual martial arts styles. You want fantasy and fireballs in VF? You're missing the whole damn point.
Well, you missed my point - but you're right that the grounding in reality is def. why there are practically zero funky gameplay ideas. And that's a big part of the reason it leaves me cold. I get why VF is the way it is, and I respect that it's valid for it to be like that, but I reserve the right to criticise it anyhow.
Well like in the video I posted above, VF can be more than outlandish, especially as you delve into the online and sp modes. A lot of the shit modern fighters use in their sp modes today? THey ripped that shit off from Virtua Fighter 4. Virtua Fighter 4 and 5's sp mode in particular is anything but generic or bland or boring and can be legitimately difficult and challenging.
I think you are talking about more superficial stuff though (but I'm not 100% - I'll have to look up the monkey kung-fu girl). I'm meaning actual game dynamics, not crazy clown stuff.
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But you mentioned Shun drinking so I thought you were talking about superficial clown stuff.
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But you mentioned Shun drinking so I thought you were talking about superficial clown stuff.
? Shun drinking is a gameplay mechanic (as well as being cool).
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I'm not sure what you're getting at either. 3D fighting games are, by and large, devoid of subsystems; even Shun's drinking is rather simplistic: increased damage and unlocks a few additional moves. Those games are generally more focused on pushing a very specific, focused type of gameplay style; VF in particular does that very well. The drinking gimmick adds to Shun's unpredictability; that's really the only reason it's there.
I can see complaining that the characters are boring (they are), but I can't relate to finding VF's gameplay dull or uninteresting. It's one of the few fighting games out there that I play and want to main every single character because they're all so unique.
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I don't play fighting games anymore so my opinion is worthless but I like the idea of the gems as a general concept. I liked Gem Fighter back in the day balanced be damned because it was fun and different. Not everything has to be super serious and made for an elite fighting game crowd. Not to mention Capcom puts out a fighter a year now so its seems very easy to skip a version if you don't like this.
Now the retailer exclusive bonus shit would piss me the fuck off. That's some stupid evil shit right there. It would be like playing COD but I could only get the quickdraw perk if I bought the game from a specific store. That is nuts. You can't leave out important gameplay stuff and divide it up as retailer shit. Leave that to costumes or other extra cosmetic perks.
Yes, I definitely liken the gem system to perks in CoD, but they're handling it all wrong. The retailer exclusive shit especially is awful.
I don't have a problem with the game being simpler or more of a "party fighter," but everything about the way they are handling the gem system is not looking very promising to me right now. :/
I don't understand why people dislike VF. Guess they're too used to their Tekken and Smash Bros.
"It's boring" is usually the answer. VF lacks flash and has pretty bland stage/character design and music compared to other games. The customization helps the character design a LOT but has to be unlocked.
Actually, come to think of it, there's never been a handheld VF.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9rBGiGexMY
Plus LOLOL VF2 for Genesis on any device with it for sale or emulated.
It's not that VF isn't flashy enough or whatever, it's just that it doesn't have any remotely interesting game mechanics. It's like an all-you-can-eat buffet of macaroni cheese. Who gives a shit how deep the trough is if all you are gonna get out of it is macaroni cheese. Unreal Tournament has super interesting gameplay despite being not nearly as complex as VF. You should play that - I think it's less dead than VF.
:wtf
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VF3 had awesome stage designs. But then people bitched. Also, VF has beautiful stages. The shaolin temple stage in VF4/5? My favorites. Holy shit. The music :o
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VF's game play is awesome. What Sega needs to do is keep that intact and bring in a whole new design team for the aesthetics, and fire whoever does the soundtrack. :P
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What's wrong with VF aesthetic? It's great. Sorry it's not ANIME enough for you.
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The customization DOES NOT help the character design. keep it simple and clean pls. and refer to tekken for all your anime needs.
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WHY DOESN'T VIRTUA FIGHTER HAVE MEN IN LEOPARD SUITS OR DUDE WITH HIGH TOP FADES AND FIGHTING PANDA BEARS? BLAND.
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I love VF customization, but I try to not make anything that looks distinguished mentally-challenged. Like my Jacky had a white tanktop, black baggy jeans, and slicked back hair and sunglasses. I had some nice gear for Fuerte and Eileen too but I don't remember it very well. I haven't played VF5 since it was obvious Sega abandoned the series.
BTW, Himuro I think mentioned lag in VF5 360. WTF? VF5 has far and away the best netcode in any 3D fighter. There's obviously some lag, but that game was pretty damn smooth, all things considered. That's one of the reasons I'm hyped for VF5FS. Amazing game + amazing netcode, guaranteed. AM2 are gods :bow
(VOOT has great netcode as well)
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Well, I remember me and robo would play a few matches and we'd both get heavy lag.
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VF5 netcode was ass for me. there was no filtering system which might have been the cause. then again, recent capcom fighters that have had filtering systems have been complete butt for European players so it's not like that would have helped.
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What's wrong with VF aesthetic? It's great. Sorry it's not ANIME enough for you.
WHY DOESN'T VIRTUA FIGHTER HAVE MEN IN LEOPARD SUITS OR DUDE WITH HIGH TOP FADES AND FIGHTING PANDA BEARS? BLAND.
Have you seen the customization shit in this game? It's "wacky Jappy" all the way and has the shit you're talking about. :lol
The customization DOES NOT help the character design. keep it simple and clean pls. and refer to tekken for all your anime needs.
It does help when they don't go crazy-insane with it. Makes some of the dated looks/hair styles a lot better for the characters.
BTW, Himuro I think mentioned lag in VF5 360. WTF? VF5 has far and away the best netcode in any 3D fighter. There's obviously some lag, but that game was pretty damn smooth, all things considered. That's one of the reasons I'm hyped for VF5FS. Amazing game + amazing netcode, guaranteed. AM2 are gods :bow
(VOOT has great netcode as well)
Yeah I don't get it either. VF5 had good netcode.
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Have you seen the customization shit in this game? It's "wacky Jappy" all the way and has the shit you're talking about. :lol
Sure. But that's the customization, not the base character designs and aesthetic.
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It does help when they don't go crazy-insane with it. Makes some of the dated looks/hair styles a lot better for the characters.
choice is great. I would love the choice to not see people's Haag-level aesthetic atrocities when playing online. I doubt I will ever be afforded this, so I will rail against the customization itself instead.
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I don't remember anything in VF4/5 being quite as bad as that insane Blanka alternate or the Evil Ryu and Oni auras.
(http://www.neoempire.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/blankaalt.jpg)
This thing should be BANNED. Plus, fuck Blanka. :maf
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yeah that's some S tier nonsense. Ono embracing his heel personality a little too much.
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Have you seen the customization shit in this game? It's "wacky Jappy" all the way and has the shit you're talking about. :lol
Sure. But that's the customization, not the base character designs and aesthetic.
Eileen. :P
And for some examples of how VF5 has "progressed" over the years:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTQYBQHYv_U
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VF5 is the only game at which I continuously whomp ass. Then the people I beat tell me VF sucks and isnt worth playing :'(
we should play vf5 some time! i am pretty shit now, but i used to be decent, and i've been meeting to start playing again
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I feel a lot better about the gem system after watching this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWU7VYQ6QMs