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Title: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: magus on June 26, 2012, 09:54:07 AM
http://andriasang.com/con1ny/wada_on_ffvii_remake/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

well this sure lift a weight from my soul ^____________^
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2012, 09:56:02 AM
no one cares
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Momo on June 26, 2012, 10:00:19 AM
I just want a Final Fantasy Minigame collection
-Non shit chocobo racing
-Tetra Master
-Triple Triad
-Blitzball (with a story mode like Captain Tsubasa)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: archnemesis on June 26, 2012, 10:01:34 AM
^^ Have you played Inazuma Eleven? It feels a bit like blitzball. There is a standalone version of Triple Triad for PC.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: frod on June 26, 2012, 10:12:12 AM
I like to laugh at the old gameplay footage on youtube.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Momo on June 26, 2012, 10:18:31 AM
^^ Have you played Inazuma Eleven? It feels a bit like blitzball. There is a standalone version of Triple Triad for PC.
The Triple Triad for PC was fan coded stuff though wasnt it? And yes im aware of Inazuma Eleven, doesnt come close to Captain Tsubasa though
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2012, 10:20:34 AM
make a triple triad game where you go across the world getting cards ff8 style and the final boss is some card master or some shit.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: archnemesis on June 26, 2012, 10:22:42 AM
Yep, Triple Triad PC is a fan project.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: magus on June 26, 2012, 11:02:36 AM
^^ Have you played Inazuma Eleven? It feels a bit like blitzball. There is a standalone version of Triple Triad for PC.
The Triple Triad for PC was fan coded stuff though wasnt it? And yes im aware of Inazuma Eleven, doesnt come close to Captain Tsubasa though

dude what the hell? there isn't anything that come closer to captain tsubasa than inazuma eleven,which is the whole reason that shit is popular in the first place

if anything the problem it's that is just a sort of boring game
you might be interessed in this maybe but it's an european release only,captain tsubasa is super popular here in europe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDyZzPVZ-8o

actualy i don't think it even feature english :lol

make a triple triad game where you go across the world getting cards ff8 style and the final boss is some card master or some shit.

i played an interessing rpgmaker game once, because somehow the guy that made it was able to put a triple triad clone inside it,i didn't even think that sort of shit was possible with rpgmaker in the first place

Yep, Triple Triad PC is a fan project.

there was a playable version of tetramaster on squaresoft online service but that was 2 years ago

Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2012, 11:03:56 AM
tetramaster sucks. they put that game on Playonline back in the day, but Tetramaster sucks dick so who would play it?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: magus on June 26, 2012, 11:08:52 AM
tetramaster sucks. they put that game on Playonline back in the day, but Tetramaster sucks dick so who would play it?

feh it's the same shit of placing cards with higher number to take card with lower numbers once you learn to play it,if anything the problem is "ehy dude want to play this game of which i don't know the rules?"
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2012, 11:11:39 AM
tetramaster sucks because its rules are inconsistent
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: magus on June 26, 2012, 11:28:10 AM
the rules aren't inconsistent,it's just that the game doesn't explain them (and actualy seems proud of this fact like a distinguished mentally-challenged puppy) and there is a bit of randomness to it which just makes thing even more confusing,personaly it's still less chaotic than some of the shit that can happen in triple triad when all the rules mix and you start having stuff like random,same rule,plus rule and the like
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2012, 11:29:58 AM
randomness does imply inconsistency
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: bork on June 26, 2012, 11:33:04 AM
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During the Q&A session of the company's annual shareholder's briefing (transcribed here), Wada was asked the expected question about the much wanted remake. His response was something to the effect of, we'll make a Final Fantasy VII remake once we've made a Final Fantasy game that exceeds the quality of FFVII.

If you get the feeling that this statement belittles Square Enix's current development prowess, you're pretty much spot on.
Wada admitted that at present, the company is not making Final Fantasy games that exceed the quality of FFVII. If they were to release a 7 remake right now, the FF franchise would be done with, he said.

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: magus on June 26, 2012, 11:33:31 AM
nah randomness is cool,i wouldn't call any game that feature a roll dice inconsistent
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Robo on June 26, 2012, 11:33:59 AM
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During the Q&A session of the company's annual shareholder's briefing (transcribed here), Wada was asked the expected question about the much wanted remake. His response was something to the effect of, we'll make a Final Fantasy VII remake once we've made a Final Fantasy game that exceeds the quality of FFVII.

If you get the feeling that this statement belittles Square Enix's current development prowess, you're pretty much spot on.
Wada admitted that at present, the company is not making Final Fantasy games that exceed the quality of FFVII. If they were to release a 7 remake right now, the FF franchise would be done with, he said.

 :lol :lol :lol

 :piss Borys :piss2
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Sho Nuff on June 26, 2012, 12:06:16 PM
Wada-San, cold as ice

Imperial Hot droppin troof bombs
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Momo on June 26, 2012, 12:29:40 PM
dude what the hell? there isn't anything that come closer to captain tsubasa than inazuma eleven,which is the whole reason that shit is popular in the first place
Blitzball is closer. Inazuma despite sharing similar themes and the same damn sport feels like something else. Also that DS game is garbage, let me fill you in on the Tsubasa I speak of

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW8LwNTiu8o
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Trent Dole on June 26, 2012, 01:26:41 PM
People JO over vii a bit more than is healthy.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Raban on June 26, 2012, 01:29:46 PM
I have a hard time believing that's what Wada really meant. It makes it sound like he's throwing the past 15 years of Final Fantasy under the bus. If that's what he honestly thinks, there isn't enough SMH in the world.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 26, 2012, 01:32:54 PM
Don't really want  a remake. Want new FF with new worlds and stories. Besides, I think pretty much every FF after VII has been better then it. I don't hold VII in high places.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Momo on June 26, 2012, 01:42:50 PM
My ranking of posts VII games (direct sequels X-2 etc, XI, XIV and spinoffs excluded)

FFX
FFVIII
FFIX
FFXIII
FFXII
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2012, 01:46:31 PM
X-2
...
...
...
All the other FFs post-VII
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: magus on June 26, 2012, 01:53:09 PM
X-2
...
...
...
All the other FFs post-VII

BURN THIS INFIDEL

Don't really want  a remake. Want new FF with new worlds and stories. Besides, I think pretty much every FF after VII has been better then it. I don't hold VII in high places.

AND SEND HIM BACK TO DETROIT

Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: cool breeze on June 26, 2012, 01:56:46 PM
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we'll make a Final Fantasy VII remake once we've made a Final Fantasy game that exceeds the quality of FFVII.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEgDTytElV8

done.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Momo on June 26, 2012, 02:08:40 PM
X-2
All the other FFs post-VII
BURN THIS INFIDEL
If you are just into battle systems, it's hard to argue against x-2
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 26, 2012, 02:11:41 PM
doesn't almost anything exceed the quality of FFVII, including other Square Enix RPG's from the era?

really, if we're going by that statement the first remake of FFVII should have been out by 2000/2001
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Sho Nuff on June 26, 2012, 02:51:08 PM
I doubt you'll ever see anything of the same scope again. You realize that the entire company was working on FF7 at once, and nearly every CG company in Tokyo was doing cinematics for it.

It's kind of like Akira, where they bet the farm on it and employed almost every animation studio in Japan. It ain't gonna happen again.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 26, 2012, 02:57:38 PM
FF 7 was the right game. At the right time in history. On the right platform. On the right storage format. And the media all got behind the game. And it had a mammoth marketing effort behind it.

Those stars are very unlikely to ever align again in that way.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Diunx on June 26, 2012, 03:05:11 PM
8,12 and 10-2 are already better.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: magus on June 26, 2012, 03:08:15 PM
I doubt you'll ever see anything of the same scope again. You realize that the entire company was working on FF7 at once, and nearly every CG company in Tokyo was doing cinematics for it.

It's kind of like Akira, where they bet the farm on it and employed almost every animation studio in Japan. It ain't gonna happen again.

i just want moar jrpg with a kickass team of artist

basicaly bravely default

i could go on a rant why i like 7 the most but none of you guys care so everybody who disagree,CURSE UPON YOU
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: tiesto on June 26, 2012, 03:34:07 PM
8,12 and 10-2 are already better.

 :yuck :yuck :yuck
Worst game of the series aside from the online ones.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: SantaC on June 26, 2012, 03:41:51 PM
Fuck off remakes, ports and remasters. Yeah even the FF7 PC one.

Give me NEW FF games any day. Give me FF13-3. Give me FFversus13. Give me FF15.

give me FF8-2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_HxjU8TolU
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2012, 04:10:21 PM
8,12 and 10-2 are already better.

 :yuck :yuck :yuck
Worst game of the series aside from the online ones.

how in the world x-2 the worst?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Momo on June 26, 2012, 04:24:10 PM
People really dislike the whimsical j-pop adventures of Yuna and friends at the local mall dressing room. Most people I know are absolutely repulsed by the femininity of it all.

I don't give a flying fuck though, the game has an awesome, well crafted battle system. Sure it may not be innovative or whatever but that also means it didn't introduce turd mechanics. 
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2012, 04:25:52 PM
I liked X-2 because instead of being more melodramatic pap, it was just [mostly] a light-hearted adventure.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2012, 04:27:51 PM
^
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: tiesto on June 26, 2012, 04:33:15 PM
People really dislike the whimsical j-pop adventures of Yuna and friends at the local mall dressing room. Most people I know are absolutely repulsed by the femininity of it all.

Yeah, that's the exact reason why *I* of all people hated the game  ::)

I didn't like the asset re-use with very few new areas (even other games with heavy asset re-use like BKO and FFXIII-2 at least throw some new stuff into the mix), didn't particularly care for the way the game handled nonlinearity and its completion mechanic, and also found the balancing to be really off. The "Dark Knight" class is insanely OP. Also hated all the stupid minigames they made me do, not to mention the strange music.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2012, 04:36:58 PM
FFX-2 has plenty new stuff. All the dungeons are new, even locations (kilika) have been entirely revamped, Mt Gagazet was completely redone, there's new cities, new interpretations of old cities. Complaining about asset resuse and how X-2 did it seems like you're reaching. The completion is weird, but that's seems like such a weird dig to label the game as the "worst" FF. Just don't bother with completion and enjoy the game? Dark Knight being op is an actual complaint? Every single FF since V has a billion ways to exploit the game. How is X-2 any different?

The minigames I'll give you, but X is far worse in that category.

Nothing in your post screams "worst" to me.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 26, 2012, 04:39:17 PM
Square actually did make an official PC version of FF8's card game, it was included with something called "FF8 Desktop Accessories" full of screensavers and such.

Anyway FF9 card game >> FF8 card game. The random element just makes tactics more interesting since you have to make "contingency plans" in case you lose a card battle. In FF8 a stronger deck is pretty much guaranteed to win against a weaker one, which makes most matches boring, and the gameplay loop too often consists of scanning the numbers repeatedly to look for an opening, which is lame since it's the sort of thing a computer should be doing (Same/Plus rules make this even worse). FF9 you have to be on your toes even with a better deck, and you can also reach for a shutout where you get all the cards.

The cool thing about FF8's card game was how it was integrated into the game, with being able to card monsters, turn cards into items, and coolest of all, the "house rules" system. Unfortunately while the concept of the house rules system is an awesome idea, the actual rules sucked for the most part.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: magus on June 26, 2012, 05:31:46 PM
well let me put it the other way... what makes X-2 good? the battle system is just a rehash of the job system,there is no actual plot to begin with as they spend all their time chasing monkeys,finding cactuar statues and selling concert tickets,when some plot happens it's mostly about nomura doing the lamest doronjo trio attempt ever and ultimately as tiesto said there isn't a lot of new stuff to see

so yeah it's just sort of a mediocre game which in the realm of final fantasy that equates to being probably the worst modern final fantasy (the honor of worst final fantasy ever goes to FF2 but ehy that's a kawazu game and it's pretty much impossible to do worse than that) to me it always feel like that people that like x-2 just are having a knee-jerk reaction to ffx... "LOOK IT'S NOT LINEAR! UNLIKE FFX! AH!"

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I liked X-2 because instead of being more melodramatic pap, it was just [mostly] a light-hearted adventure.

having played tons of jrpg with character doing the Big No (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigNo) or rpg where the character whines that "taking human lives is wrong :'(" or one where everybody is like super racist i can understand this feeling (man i'm always thinking of different tales game am i?)

but having a non-plot with a bunch of non-event is not a good alternative either,if you want to play a light-hearted adventure,go play this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypFrgSw2XKQ

man i wish i could find a video of the boss battle with the bodybuilder which try to attack you by flexing his muscle's
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2012, 05:45:51 PM
Saying X-2's battle system is a rehash of III and V's job system takes away all of your credibility from that post and I have not read the rest of it. Revamped ATB, parrying enemy attacks, position, spells and abilities have a heat up cast time, being able to choose any ability you want for a job and learn it, at any time, dress sphere grids and dress sphere placement on said grids, not to mention in game job switching. That's without mentioning the endless amount of customization through the accessory system in combination with dress sphere grids, dress spheres, job abilities.

Saying FFX-2 is just regular ATB is probably the dumbest thing I've ever read from you.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2012, 05:51:41 PM
Plus, I mean, complaining about re-using locales seems pretty dumb. What do you expect? X-2 to take place in a different world entirely? The entire complaint is a non-complaint because it is entirely inane. Oh no, I have to go to Luca again, why is this game re-using assets? Box says Final Fantasy X-2? I am stupid. The reason XIII-2 gets away with it is because it features a time travel story so they can AFFORD to introduce completely new locales.

And it's not like X-2 didn't have new stuff. Entire dungeons and locales are revamped. Camera angles are different. Zero of the locations from X are the same as they were in that game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: magus on June 26, 2012, 05:52:20 PM
man himuro you sound like a zelda kid when someone says to him that zelda has been the same shit since ever

all of these are super small addition nobody gives a fuck about,heck i could already learn any skill i wanted back in FFT and trust me i never tought "ooooooooohhhhh this is a huge difference that makes this whole thing feels totaly different"

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Plus, I mean, complaining about re-using locales seems pretty dumb. What do you expect? X-2 to take place in a different world entirely? The entire complaint is a non-complaint because it is entirely inane. Oh no, I have to go to Luca again, why is this game re-using assets? Box says Final Fantasy X-2? I am stupid. The reason XIII-2 gets away with it is because it features a time travel story.

the game first chapter open in a new location,so i don't see what's wrong if i expect the rest of the game to follow suit
the real question should actualy be why it's only the first one that do so because heck if there were more i sure as hell don't remember them

i've said it several times and i'll say it once again,there is no point in rehash-sequels
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: etiolate on June 26, 2012, 05:55:21 PM
I wouldn't replay FF7 if it was free. I would replay FF9 though.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2012, 06:01:28 PM
Yes, X-2's job system is the EXACT SAME THING AS Tactics'. Nothing new at all was brought to the table.

You must be fucking kidding me. Why do I even bother?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2012, 06:02:36 PM
Also, for all of your love for original battles systems, how the hell do you like 7 so much? It is the most boring and standard of all FF battle systems.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 26, 2012, 06:09:54 PM
and also broken!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2012, 06:12:40 PM
Ah yes, it is really is broken. I am past understanding magus cognitive dissonance.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 26, 2012, 06:45:16 PM
I think the best time to release a FF7 remake would have been 2005-2006, on the Pee Ass Pee at its peak.  I think it is too late now.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: naff on June 26, 2012, 06:48:30 PM
FF VII was magus's first right? Same with me, and it's my favourite. I don't like it because it had a great battle system or anything. I was 11 or 12 and the characters, setting and theme were awesome. I will never experience an FF the same again, because I will never be that young and dumb again.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 26, 2012, 06:51:04 PM
FF VII was magus's first right? Same with me, and it's my favourite. I don't like it because it had a great battle system or anything. I was 11 or 12 and the characters, setting and theme were awesome. I will never experience an FF the same again, because I will never be that young and dumb again.

It was my first FF but i still consider it doo doo.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 26, 2012, 06:53:20 PM
My first FF was FF6 on an SNES emulator
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Trent Dole on June 26, 2012, 06:55:48 PM
IV here. Not really sure what it is about the characters/storyline of VII that still resonates with people so damn much.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2012, 07:00:35 PM
VII was my first and it's almost at the bottom.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 26, 2012, 07:21:42 PM
IV here. Not really sure what it is about the characters/storyline of VII that still resonates with people so damn much.

It's the first Final Fantasy on a Sony manufactured device.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Raban on June 26, 2012, 07:23:37 PM
IV here. Not really sure what it is about the characters/storyline of VII that still resonates with people so damn much.

It's the first Final Fantasy on a Sony manufactured device.

I never thought about it in this way, but it explains everything. Goddamn Sony fanboys.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Robo on June 26, 2012, 07:35:19 PM
On the surface (which is about all the farther I'm willing to go with this discussion), it's probably the aesthetic and art direction that keeps people latched onto FF7, but a lot of the argument there applies to FF8, too—more science fiction than fantasy, "whimsy" not central to the design and tone, post-industrial towns, self-serious plot and principal characters.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2012, 07:41:57 PM
On the surface (which is about all the farther I'm willing to go with this discussion), it's probably the aesthetic and art direction that keeps people latched onto FF7, but a lot of the argument there applies to FF8, too—more science fiction than fantasy, "whimsy" not central to the design and tone, post-industrial towns, self-serious plot and principal characters.

I wouldn't disagree with that, especially with the first chapter. Midgar really appeals to me from a design/art perspective, you're dealing with older characters who are more serious rather than plucky/bubbly, the main characters are TERRORISTS fighting an evil corporation, and the overall feel is rather dark and bleak.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2012, 09:08:08 PM
I'd love FFVII more if it were only in midgar, it's true. and a lot of my love for 8 is the art as well, true. but 8 has NUMBERZ.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: magus on June 26, 2012, 09:11:03 PM
Yes, X-2's job system is the EXACT SAME THING AS Tactics'. Nothing new at all was brought to the table.

You must be fucking kidding me. Why do I even bother?

i wasn't trying to say that it is the exact same thing,just that there is not anything that makes it different enough to make such a big difference from all the other final fantasies with job system,i mean parrying? i don't even have any idea what you are talking about with parrying

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Also, for all of your love for original battles systems, how the hell do you like 7 so much? It is the most boring and standard of all FF battle systems.

if you do it in a way that i feel is interessing enough you'll catch my attention but otherwise i don't really care about battle system,what i really like about jrpg is

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and the characters, setting and theme were awesome.

ah yes,this :heart,that's why i don't give a fuck if kingdom hearts is a button mashy game set in small room but squee like a little girl at the idea of a game that let me fight cinderella lucifer,captain hook and maleficent
this is why i liked FF13,after 9 years in which FF 10-2,FF11,FF12 and all the countless lame spinoff happened,finaly there was a final fantasy that once again gave a fuck to these thing
maybe in another 9 years they can release versus for the PS5

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because I will never be that young and dumb again.

oh no no no,even now i still love the game with every ounce of myself,i love midgar with his incomprensible neon light signs full of moon letters,i love the initial dialogue of the game where barret is all like "THINK OF THE PLANET" and cloud is all

(http://pickingupthepixels.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/final-fantasy-7-cloud-barret-elevator.jpg)

i mean look at that screenshot the background it's so detailed,all those cables and neon lights and tubes,it gives so much flavor to the game
i love the part where cloud has to dress as a woman so he can infiltrate a pimp mansion,i love how after you defeat yuffie there is a save point that it's actualy A FUCKING TRAP,i love when you first meet tifa and your option are

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z2/teasels/imagesqtbnANd9GcSuoG9mMG9cspx-WyPYf.jpg?t=1340754129)

they are both so goofy,i love when they have to infiltrate the shinra headquarters and they have to climb this huge wall full of graffiti and start climbing all that junk and fans,i love the part where you have to pick between the stairs and the elevator and if you pick the stairs,the character start complaning for the huge climb that last like 5 minutes

i love how sephiroth get introduced! most game hand you the villain by having him do something villanous like... burn a village and such! but when it comes to sephiroth you got cloud that is all like "OMG IT'S SEPHIROTH" and everybody is all like "who?" and then he goes on this long tale with the whole party going "uh-uh" and then the first thing the game does is throw at you an impossible battle just to show you that you don't want to fuck with sephiroth,it's a great way to introduce the villain into the plot

i love how there is a city that is just a big fucking cannon and it's owned by the most fucking aryan pompous nazi and his troops of super incompetent mooks,i love when they are on the ship and cloud find barret in a sailor suit that looks totaly ridiculous,i love how when cloud meets cait sith,cloud ask him "can you use your fortune teller power to find sephiroth" and cait sith goes like "sure" then he handle cloud a ticket with written on it "your lucky color is blue!" i love the plot twist (not that dumb bitch death! the other one!)

man i could keep this for hours
oh and the music,it's so good,i don't think there isn't a single piece of FFVII music i don't like,every single note is ingrained in my mind

and this is why i don't want a remake,they are going to advent childrenific the shit out of it and advent children is a movie about a guy with a mopey look that keeps watching the ground while looking like the prettiest korean pop star instead of someone who's just got out of a kickass cartoon,advent children is the complete and polar opposite of FFVII,if nomura ever snaps out of it (he did it once when he made TWEWY) goes back to the cloud on the left of the pic and they redraw all the backgrounds in HD then they have my blessing

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EPCbCZVe7xg/T5qT5IC4XlI/AAAAAAAAAb0/N8pnquJnUjU/s1600/cloud_then_and_now.png)

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On the surface (which is about all the farther I'm willing to go with this discussion), it's probably the aesthetic and art direction that keeps people latched onto FF7, but a lot of the argument there applies to FF8, too—more science fiction than fantasy, "whimsy" not central to the design and tone, post-industrial towns, self-serious plot and principal characters.

yes,seriously they could remove the whole "game" out of FF7 and i'd still be the best game ever,and of course i like FF8 scenario too,the part where they assault the beach and there is a motherfucking robo-spider on the loose or the one where the two gardens fight each other and there's squall punching the shit out of people while dangling out of a cable
FF9 is good on that part too,treno! the city where it's always night! *cue piano music*

but it's really not on the same level when you get this idiot with this huge grin instead of !"£$%"$ cid and when the whole scenario turns from "terrorist into techno city" into "guy into some sort of college"
i think FF8 is also when they started to really force their hand with the romance sub plot and that's stupid
i also don't like how FF8 seems to fuck up with so many basic things just for the sake of doing it,monsters? they scale on your level! money? you get it from answering quizzes! spells? now you don't want to cast them anymore! summons? i hope you are good at button mashing!
it's like they never stopped once to ask themself "is this a good idea?"

you know this is somewhat embarassing to say,but i once found this guy doing a FF7 webcomic and i think that somehow it capture the spirit and style of the game even if it tend to be stupid at times so maybe a fellow FF7 fan like quietid can appreciate while the other of you can point and laugh at me (pic are somewhat big)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/086/2/e/final_fantasy_7_page178_by_obstinatemelon-d37x3ej.jpg)

he's also pretty good at catching some of the good backgrounds

(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/086/c/6/final_fantasy_7_page170_by_obstinatemelon-d36gh44.jpg)
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bonus sailor barrett pic

(http://images.cosplay.com/photos/10/109030.jpg)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2012, 09:16:14 PM
they had been doing romance since at least ff4. ff8 is the only one where it's really pronounced, that and X and X-2. In fact, X was the last major FF where romance even played a major part. XII's romance was subtle and not shoehorned, XIII starred Lightning who is not interested in that shit. X came out over 10 years ago. Romance is hardly a part of FF's identity unless you will it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: magus on June 26, 2012, 09:30:52 PM
romance in 13 is very prominent and stupid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFkhGlliiQM

also this count for double when i said that "firework are romantic" and demi went all stupid on me like "don't you feel like fucking on 4th of july?"

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XII's romance was subtle and not shoehorned

was there any romance to begin with? i seriously can't remember
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2012, 09:44:39 PM
Romance in XIII isn't that prominent. At most you get a Snow and Serah flashback, and that's it. They're not together at all in the game except in flashbacks that last 3 minutes.

Romance in XII:

It's hinted at that Fran left the wood to be with Balthier and that the two are lovers. It's never outright said but strongly hinted at.

Vaan and Penelo are a couple.

Not to mention Ashe and Rasler. The thing about XII and romance is that it never lingers on the romance itself, and instead shows this from character facial expressions, gestures, and simple stuff like hold hands not "I LOVE YOU, LET'S MAKE OUT".
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 26, 2012, 10:31:31 PM
Hey I like the stuff Magus mentioned in FF7 too. The thing about 7 is it was one of the last FFs to be developed with a production style where basically everyone on the event/map teams got to add their own little subplots, NPCs, weird touches in the maps, minigames, etc. throughout the development process without very strong central oversight or even always advance planning. The good result of this is it results in a ton of interesting/neat/weird touches everywhere, the bad result is it's kind of an inconsistent mess.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2012, 10:44:07 PM
The good result of this is it results in a ton of interesting/neat/weird touches everywhere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5fVZLa_XRM
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: tiesto on June 26, 2012, 11:03:53 PM
1 was my first game, 5 is my favorite game, but I still love 7. It's really the setting/scenario/world design and characters. 8 had an amazing scenario/world design but I hated the story and characters (and wasn't crazy about the auto-scaling and junction system), 9 was fantastic all around apart from real sluggish load times/battles.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2012, 04:13:39 AM
Vaan is nothing like that Borys. FYI, this is Vaan.

(http://i.imgur.com/r0OQI.jpg)

Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2012, 11:49:17 AM
No, he's better. He carries a smile, his posture is positive and confident. Emo Cloud is such a non-character. Why is he so emo? I DON'T KNOW.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: magus on June 27, 2012, 09:16:59 PM
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At the time playing FF7, I thought it was really awesome.  Until the end of the first disc, anyway.

ah yes,personaly i always stop right before the temple of the ancients,it's not like the rest of the game is bad but by the time you are done with the first disc you have seen all the really good parts and then you get to the one where the game drags around like that huge materia hunt

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Anyway, it was the last FF Gooch had his hands in, and it shows.  The series lost a lot of its naive goofiness when he moved on.

i used to believe this too before playing the bunch of mistwalker games which were clearly written by a monkey
and a monkey sure didn't write FF7
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2012, 09:17:38 PM
Disc 2 has a lot of great stuff though, like the attack on junon.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2012, 09:19:55 PM
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At the time playing FF7, I thought it was really awesome.  Until the end of the first disc, anyway.

ah yes,personaly i always stop right before the temple of the ancients,it's not like the rest of the game is bad but by the time you are done with the first disc you have seen all the really good parts and then you get to the one where the game drags around like that huge materia hunt

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Anyway, it was the last FF Gooch had his hands in, and it shows.  The series lost a lot of its naive goofiness when he moved on.

i used to believe this too before playing the bunch of mistwalker games which were clearly written by a monkey
and a monkey sure didn't write FF7

people get old. people lose their spark. Spielberg isn't as great as he used to be, George Lucas sucks now and I refuse to believe this is the same guy who did American Graffiti or THX 1138. Also, blue dragon had a lot of charm going for it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: magus on June 27, 2012, 09:20:14 PM
personaly i like how you get to fuck around with a sub,i remember reading a rumor that there was actualy a third map on space that you could access by saving cid rocket (of course you can't do that)
they should do that if a remake ever happens

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people get old. people lose their spark. Spielberg isn't as great as he used to be, George Lucas sucks now and I refuse to believe this is the same guy who did American Graffiti or THX 1138. Also, blue dragon had a lot of charm going for it.

eeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhh i don't know,as i said multiple times,i really like TWEWY,it feels like those older psx game i love so friggin much,and that was done by nomura,so the idea of nomura being occasionaly stupid with stuff like advent children and sakaguchi being permanently stupid in the first place sounds more reasonable to me based on their last games they have done separately
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2012, 09:21:13 PM
The sub was scary as shit.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2012, 09:24:57 PM
personaly i like how you get to fuck around with a sub,i remember reading a rumor that there was actualy a third map on space that you could access by saving cid rocket (of course you can't do that)
they should do that if a remake ever happens

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people get old. people lose their spark. Spielberg isn't as great as he used to be, George Lucas sucks now and I refuse to believe this is the same guy who did American Graffiti or THX 1138. Also, blue dragon had a lot of charm going for it.

eeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhh i don't know,as i said multiple times,i really like TWEWY,it feels like those older psx game i love so friggin much,and that was done by nomura,so the idea of nomura being occasionaly stupid with stuff like advent children and sakaguchi being permanently stupid in the first place sounds more reasonable to me based on their last games they have done separately

The problem with this argument is that Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon reminded ME of psx and snes rpgs and I loved them for that very reason.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2012, 11:15:11 PM
Toriyama was FF13, not Kitase.

Also, Itou makes my pants hard.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2012, 11:23:26 PM
I know, I thought you were talking about director because you listed directors.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Momo on June 28, 2012, 03:12:54 AM
I love Gooch influenced works, the only one I would class as dodgy is The Last Story (Outside of movies)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Raban on June 28, 2012, 03:35:25 AM
Fuck that, The Spirits Within was amazing. I wish Dr. Aki Ross was in Dissidia
(http://i.imgur.com/mJjwF.jpg)
MMM :heartbeat
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: magus on June 28, 2012, 06:45:49 AM
Look, I'm not saying Sakaguchi was responsible for all the good parts of the older games, but he definitely added a particular kind of silliness to the games that I feel has been missing since he left.  Games aren't a one-man team by any means, but the director/producer does tend to set the tone, and I preferred the tone of Sakaguchi's FFs.  FF hasn't been the same without Gooch and Gooch hasn't been the same without FF.

I'm not sure why you're setting him against Nomura, either.  Nomura hasn't produced or directed a single FF game.  The only FF games I'd say he even had a strong influence on were 8 and 10.  He has retro-actively affected FF7, but I don't think you like what he added there.  And I'm also not sure why you're giving Nomura full credit on TWEWY.  He designed the main character's visual design and contributed some ideas, but you're doing a disservice to the people who really made TWEWY to say it's Nomura's game.

If we're talking FF and you want to set Sakaguchi against anyone, it should be Kitase.  FF has had several "overseers": Sakaguchi/Terada (FF1-3), Sakaguchi/Itou (FF4-5, FF9), Sakaguchi/Itou/Kitase (FF6), Sakaguchi/Kitase/Nojima (FF7), Kitase/Nojima (FF8, FF13), Kitase/Toriyama (FFX), and Matsuno/Itou (FF12).  Sorting out the outlier (FF12), this broadly breaks into three eras: Gooch (FF1-5, 9), Gooch/Kitase (FF6/7), and Kitase (FF8, 10, 13).  Obviously the best results came from the Gooch/Kitase collab, but I'd take Gooch's era over Kitase's era any day of the week.  A lot of people wave the bat at Nomura over the change in the series, but it's really not his fault.  It's Kitase's.  Modern FF is Kitase's series.  And Kitase doesn't do goofy well, but by God and country he will someday direct an episode of Dawson's Creek.

well i have no precise idea of who did what and such,my point anyway was that i liked what they did with TWEWY but i don't like mistwalker games very much,therefore the bad apple of the bunch must be the gooch
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: tiesto on June 28, 2012, 08:31:57 AM
I'm really hoping the rumor that Itou is hard at work on FF15 is true... seems like the last amazing guy left there, I'm not really too nuts about Kitase or Nojima (and especially not Toriyama).
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 28, 2012, 08:39:23 AM
Look, I'm not saying Sakaguchi was responsible for all the good parts of the older games, but he definitely added a particular kind of silliness to the games that I feel has been missing since he left.  Games aren't a one-man team by any means, but the director/producer does tend to set the tone, and I preferred the tone of Sakaguchi's FFs.  FF hasn't been the same without Gooch and Gooch hasn't been the same without FF.

the silliness has more to do with the development process than anything, and the change in that has mostly to do with technology and volume

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I'm not sure why you're setting him against Nomura, either.  Nomura hasn't produced or directed a single FF game.  The only FF games I'd say he even had a strong influence on were 8 and 10.

7 and 8 (not 10). Nomura was something close to a co-director on both those games, he had a heavy influence on story, concept, characters (not just visually), battles, and many aspects of visual design (enemies, spell/special attack animations, FMV). By 10 he'd moved on to Kingdom Hearts and his continuing work on FF was mostly just character visual design.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 28, 2012, 10:06:26 AM
Look, I'm not saying Sakaguchi was responsible for all the good parts of the older games, but he definitely added a particular kind of silliness to the games that I feel has been missing since he left.  Games aren't a one-man team by any means, but the director/producer does tend to set the tone, and I preferred the tone of Sakaguchi's FFs.  FF hasn't been the same without Gooch and Gooch hasn't been the same without FF.

I'm not sure why you're setting him against Nomura, either.  Nomura hasn't produced or directed a single FF game.  The only FF games I'd say he even had a strong influence on were 8 and 10.  He has retro-actively affected FF7, but I don't think you like what he added there.  And I'm also not sure why you're giving Nomura full credit on TWEWY.  He designed the main character's visual design and contributed some ideas, but you're doing a disservice to the people who really made TWEWY to say it's Nomura's game.

If we're talking FF and you want to set Sakaguchi against anyone, it should be Kitase.  FF has had several "overseers": Sakaguchi/Terada (FF1-3), Sakaguchi/Itou (FF4-5, FF9), Sakaguchi/Itou/Kitase (FF6), Sakaguchi/Kitase/Nojima (FF7), Kitase/Nojima (FF8, FF13), Kitase/Toriyama (FFX), and Matsuno/Itou (FF12).  Sorting out the outlier (FF12), this broadly breaks into three eras: Gooch (FF1-5, 9), Gooch/Kitase (FF6/7), and Kitase (FF8, 10, 13).  Obviously the best results came from the Gooch/Kitase collab, but I'd take Gooch's era over Kitase's era any day of the week.  A lot of people wave the bat at Nomura over the change in the series, but it's really not his fault.  It's Kitase's.  Modern FF is Kitase's series.  And Kitase doesn't do goofy well, but by God and country he will someday direct an episode of Dawson's Creek.

well i have no precise idea of who did what and such,my point anyway was that i liked what they did with TWEWY but i don't like mistwalker games very much,therefore the bad apple of the bunch must be the gooch

your logic is illogical. those were gooch's first games in like 10 years.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 28, 2012, 10:08:34 AM
FFVII and VIII had a lot of humor.

I'm really hoping the rumor that Itou is hard at work on FF15 is true... seems like the last amazing guy left there, I'm not really too nuts about Kitase or Nojima (and especially not Toriyama).

this rumor has no basis. itou is working on a card game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 28, 2012, 10:12:32 AM
That's true. But you say weird humor, and I think VII and VIII fit the bill. VII's got stuff like Honey Bee In and LET'S MOSEY. VIII has Laguna getting leg cramps, Seifer going on about puberty on train rides to missions, and no one paying attention to Zell ever as a running gag. When IX came out, I never understood what they were doing. "Final Fantasy has lost its humor." "What in the fuck are these people talking about and what have they been playing?" By that point, I had played 4-6 and Chrono Trigger and I still had no clue. So it's not that FF lost its humor, it's more like the humor went from cartoony/slapstick to more...I don't know.

In fact, the humor is one thing I miss about FF. I think FFX was the last main FF to have humor in its writing. FFXII - bless it - and XIII are dry in that area. Well, XIII has humor, but it's in an ironic "haha this game is so fucking stupid" way.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 28, 2012, 10:19:49 AM
Crisis Core almost has that old brand of FF humor but it was in that FFVII sort of way. The killing monsters with a beach umbrella used as a sword sorta way. FFVII was such a weird ass game.

And I know you said the Sakaguchi sort of humor. I'm just humoring you - heh - in something that a lot of fans bring up. Especially when they say VIII in particular is so ultra serious. I have no clue what game they are playing or if they have selective memory.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Momo on June 28, 2012, 10:24:46 AM
Yeah, I felt I had been careful in specifying Sakaguchi's "particular brand of humour" in earlier posts, but I guess I wasn't careful enough, haha.  There's still plenty of oddness in non-Gooch games, but it's different oddness and it doesn't work as well for me.  FF7 still has it, but Gooch worked on that one, so.
Consider me a fan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_T9SVDqJPI
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 28, 2012, 10:26:24 AM
A lot of the Honeybee Inn related quests and activities were actually written by Toriyama. He made the Inn itself far more hardcore in the original script but they were like "no, let's not do that." You can see his love for weird stupid shit carry in to stuff like The Third Birthday but in those games, there's no one to censor him.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 28, 2012, 10:26:43 AM
Yeah, I felt I had been careful in specifying Sakaguchi's "particular brand of humour" in earlier posts, but I guess I wasn't careful enough, haha.  There's still plenty of oddness in non-Gooch games, but it's different oddness and it doesn't work as well for me.  FF7 still has it, but Gooch worked on that one, so.
Consider me a fan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_T9SVDqJPI

Everything about that whole area is awesome.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Momo on June 28, 2012, 10:28:04 AM
Really? I loved the entire honeybee Inn sequence to death, I spent most of the time doing those quests laughing like a maniac
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Himu on June 28, 2012, 10:30:14 AM
In Toriyama's original, Cloud can get into the Don Corneo's mansion with Marlene's panties. Some guy swipe some panties from 7th Heaven thinking they were Tifa's - he has a raging boner for her you see - but the panties Cloud gets are the size for a little girl, so the guy mistakenly gets Marlene's panties instead. Cloud uses these.

Kitase basically said,"No."
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: fart on June 28, 2012, 10:41:03 AM
guys does tifa really die? i wanna bang aeris instead
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: magus on June 28, 2012, 11:26:44 AM
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your logic is illogical. those were gooch's first games in like 10 years.

doesn't matter,the writing in lost odyssey is horrendous,it's like he never tried in the first place
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: Sho Nuff on June 28, 2012, 11:44:49 AM
Ermm, I'm pretty sure the Gooch was never all that granular in regards to writing, I think he preferred to paint in broad strokes
Title: Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
Post by: maxy on June 28, 2012, 03:26:46 PM
Since this is some retro thread

http://venturebeat.com/2012/06/28/modern-games-given-a-retro-makeover-gallery/#s:c2wlp-imgur

(http://venturebeat.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/c2wlp-imgur.png?w=266&h=233)