Wait, this is that game from Indigo Prophecy/Heavy Rain devs? LOL. Thought this was the new Naughty Dog game. Getting ps3 exclusives mixed up lol.spoiler (click to show/hide)Still looks like pap[close]
Glad to know the pedo audience is well cared for on the PS3!
Glad to know the pedo audience is well cared for on the PS3!
I care a lot about this game and ya'll are crazy for agreeing with Ruzbeh, of all people.
Stupid xbots hating on quality games and experiences, who woulda thunk it?
with all the focus on the narrative, i'm surprised by the off-putting animations. the disconnect between their animations and their dialogue is so weird to me.
I care a lot about this game and ya'll are crazy for agreeing with Ruzbeh, of all people.
Stupid xbots hating on quality games and experiences, who woulda thunk it?
It's Uncharted with a loli sidekick.
I don't care for any of Naughty Dog's interactive movies. Uncharted 2 was really fun but I have no desire to ever play that game, or any related games ever again.
Impressions ive heard from E3 seemed cool- and they havent released enough stinkers for me to have completely forgotten how good Uncharted 2 was. I'll give it a go.
ya'll are crazy for agreeing with Ruzbeh, of all people.
Whoa, what does that mean?
I am a reasonable fucking guy. My gaming tastes are very agreeable.
Wait, this is that game from Indigo Prophecy/Heavy Rain devs? LOL. Thought this was the new Naughty Dog game. Getting ps3 exclusives mixed up lol.spoiler (click to show/hide)Still looks like pap[close]
"I can tell I'm going to enjoy Ellie." "Woah, I like these character!" -NeoGAF
That about sums it up. It seems like the typical bad movie cliches (precocious young girl, crusty old dude who will probably have a hidden sweet, sensitive side) but because the bar for good game writing is so low, this will be considered a classic. Like all things, if the gameplay is good and fun, then I'm down. Probably not $60 down but if I find it on the cheap a year after its release, then sure.
i.e.
vidyagames ashamed of being vidya games for fans ashamed of liking vidya games
Don't care one bit.
WHATEVER JUST DoNT PLAY IT IF YOU DONT WANT TO PLAY IT ARHGHGHGHGHGH *PULLS OUT HAIR*
More game PLAYING, less game NEOGAFIN.
More game playing, huh? That's getting more and more difficult when the game doesn't let you play the game, and instead plays cut scenes...
B.) Games full of cutscenes aren't new. Metal Gear has been doing it since the playstation 1 days.
What's new is the trend of everything to move towards Metal Gear levels of cut scenes.And the games that you want do exist. They are just more likely to be indie games, PSN/XBLA games, or ios games at this point.And the games that you want do exist. They are just more likely to be [...] ios games.ios games.Wow.
Wow.
I'm done with this thread.
Enjoy your shitty not-quite-a-game-but-not-quite-a-movie-either game, assholes.
If Hitler was still alive he would love cutscenes.Because he's cutting Jews?spoiler (click to show/hide)I wonder if anybody will guess why?[close]
B.) Games full of cutscenes aren't new. Metal Gear has been doing it since the playstation 1 days.
What's new is the trend of everything to move towards Metal Gear levels of cut scenes.And the games that you want do exist. They are just more likely to be indie games, PSN/XBLA games, or ios games at this point.And the games that you want do exist. They are just more likely to be [...] ios games.ios games.Wow.
Wow.
I'm done with this thread.
Enjoy your shitty not-quite-a-game-but-not-quite-a-movie-either game, assholes.
If Hitler was still alive he would love cutscenes.Because he's cutting Jews?spoiler (click to show/hide)I wonder if anybody will guess why?[close]
this is now a joke thread
Of the oven ???If Hitler was still alive he would love cutscenes.Because he's cutting Jews?spoiler (click to show/hide)I wonder if anybody will guess why?[close]
No.
Control.
Why are any fucks given for a game you don't want to play? By definition you not wanting to play it means there should be no fucks to give
???
except theres a million examples of games that have come out in the last year that are way more gameplay that cutscenes. i mean you could play skyrim instead of zelda since its similar but not made for 10-year-olds, or for action games you could fuck it why am i even arguing with you
except theres a million examples of games that have come out in the last year that are way more gameplay that cutscenes. i mean you could play skyrim instead of zelda since its similar but not made for 10-year-olds, or for action games you could fuck it why am i even arguing with you
I still haven't played Skyward Sword. Guess what my Zelda was last year: Skyrim.
I still haven't played Skyward Sword. Guess what my Zelda was last year: Skyrim.
Snooooooooooooobssssss
I will say not being able to skip ALL the cutscenes on my second playthrough was kinda a downer, but Skyward is up there with Majora's Mask. By comparison Ocarina and Wind Waker and Twilight Princess feel like broken messes.
Darksiders 2 is set to be the best Zelda this generation
I have never completed a Zelda game in my life. I find them dreadfully boring. I also think it's gross that in Twilight Princess (the last one I played) Nintendo went to extremes by having mouth flaps move, but had no actual voice actors. I know it's a stylistic approach but it just comes off incredibly cheap.While it's probably a crime to think this, I also think it's cheap that Nintendo does not have voice acting in Zelda. It's 2012, it's time you put money into your big games.
I have never completed a Zelda game in my life. I find them dreadfully boring. I also think it's gross that in Twilight Princess (the last one I played) Nintendo went to extremes by having mouth flaps move, but had no actual voice actors. I know it's a stylistic approach but it just comes off incredibly cheap.While it's probably a crime to think this, I also think it's cheap that Nintendo does not have voice acting in Zelda. It's 2012, it's time you put money into your big games.
But then Metriod Other M had voice acting and well....
Ideally, zelda would have as little exposition as possible. Zelda 1 is kinda archaic, but what I do like about it was its non intrusive npcs or whatnot. They're basically there to just give you vague hints.
I have never completed a Zelda game in my life. I find them dreadfully boring. I also think it's gross that in Twilight Princess (the last one I played) Nintendo went to extremes by having mouth flaps move, but had no actual voice actors. I know it's a stylistic approach but it just comes off incredibly cheap.While it's probably a crime to think this, I also think it's cheap that Nintendo does not have voice acting in Zelda. It's 2012, it's time you put money into your big games.
But then Metriod Other M had voice acting and well....
I think what you mean to say is, if Zelda is gonna rely so heavily on telling you things verbally, it ought to have some voice acting. An alternative to adding VA would be to just reduce the amount of verbal instruction in the game, period. I'm not holding my breath for that.
Anyone who thinks Link to the Past is dreadfully boring (at least on the first playthrough) probably has the shittiest tastes in the history of shit.
I like wind waker, wish there was less fighting and more islands to sail to. frankly I wanted it to be a harvest moon game with sailing.
I'd love love love :-* :-* :-* a new link to the past style game. In HD.You're better off looking at the indie scene
I like wind waker, wish there was less fighting and more islands to sail to. frankly I wanted it to be a harvest moon game with sailing.
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ITT: AUTISM
Anyone who thinks Link to the Past is dreadfully boring (at least on the first playthrough) probably has the shittiest tastes in the history of shit.
I'll grant the Zeldas of the last ten years have been pretty snooze-inducing, though.
such astute and sound reasoning. magus
mostly use the same graphics and enemies,therefore i find it bland
Are we seriously entertaining the notion that Magus isn't simply an obnoxious contrarian that far too many of you are guilty of enabling?
Look magus we get it, you probably don't get a lot of attention irl.
he says without a hint of irony
Yeah, ND didn't seem to go through a lot of effort in trying to distinguish the game.
Is this supposed to be set in the same universe as Uncharted?
sooo... completely changed colour palette and tile set for everything somehow isn't different enough between two dungeons. what else have you got here... they reuse those statues a lot, that's true, and the soldiers which are in the overworld, hyrule castle, and uh.... nowhere else somehow appear everywhere in magoose's brain.
i'll give you the appearance of those statues, they're probably in half of the dungeons, but the rest? you're plain wrong on the soldiers, and i'm not sure how you would visually differentiate two dungeons aside from different colour palettes, tile sets, and enemies.
Are we seriously entertaining the notion that Magus isn't simply an obnoxious contrarian that far too many of you are guilty of enabling?
Look magus we get it, you probably don't get a lot of attention irl.
Anyone who thinks Link to the Past is dreadfully boring (at least on the first playthrough) probably has the shittiest tastes in the history of shit.
I'll grant the Zeldas of the last ten years have been pretty snooze-inducing, though.
Link to the Past *could* have a dungeon that takes place in the clouds
In Dark Palace and Ganon's Tower
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Only in Swamp Palace:
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it is a simple matter of giving a fuck,like for example... you have an ice dungeon in link to the past? put ice statue's that drips,fill that shit with icey monsters like yeti's and golem made of ice,make the floor slippery
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there is nothing in this screenshot that tells me "ice dungeon" other than it features an icey palette,even doing something as stupid as changing the motif on locked doors would be something
ehy... wait a second,what's that? on 0:10QuoteIn Dark Palace and Ganon's Tower
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and what's those thing at 1:48QuoteOnly in Swamp Palace:
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Of the oven ???If Hitler was still alive he would love cutscenes.Because he's cutting Jews?spoiler (click to show/hide)I wonder if anybody will guess why?[close]
No.
Control.
Uhh it does have slippery floors you moron, I posted a pic of a single room and you make all these crazy assumptions about how bland it it. I guess it only has block pushing puzzles to, ya mook?
From memory. In any case, I looked it up and this enemy only appears in Swamp and Ice Palaces. It's basically a water-themed enemy. It doesn't take away from my overall point which until now you haven't even recognized; LttP has an astounding amount of enemy variety and there's more enemy kinds exclusive to dungeons than repeated.
i really need to stop clicking that "revive them" button
last of us looks neat, i just hope it's not as scripted as unchi got to be at times.
Andrex, can't you just like a game without riding its dick every time someone mentions they don't like it? Who gives a shit if Magus doesn't like A Link to the Past. It's a good game despite whatever flaws it may have.
There aren't any perfect games, and you're being delusional if you think any one is worth all this effort to defend. Just some friendly advice.
Lulz, yeah I'm the only one dickriding Link to the Past in this thread and I'm the only one calling out Magus for being a dope. Sure.
I'm sure no one is taking this disagreement seriously
The problem is that your opinions tend to be laughably dumb to anyone who doesn't have brain damage.
tl;dr- if you enjoy the MGS series you should probably shoot yourself in the face
I'm sure no one is taking this disagreement seriously
this annoys me,this same shit already happened when i said something mean about FFV,the modus operandi is always the same,i say i don't like something about a game that is considered a classic,himuro and oscar goes "LOLZ MAGUS IS STUPID" sometimes emcee comes and goes "i bet he's a loner who wants attention durrrrrrrrrr" and then i get pissed because i had to deal with a bunch of rude morons simply for voicing an opinion
i mean do you see me pull the same shit on other people here on the bore? people said they didn't like FFVII and somehow i was able to survive without calling anybody names,truly a warrior way,sometimes i wonder why i do even bother
You said there were no unique enemies to the dungeons; there are.
and mostly use the same graphics and enemies
You said there was only one dungeon song; there are at least two
You said the soldier appeared in almost every dungeon; he appears in almost none of the dungeons.
On top of that, when your incorrect information is pointed out to you, you usually either don't acknowledge that you were wrong or you just slough it off like your supporting information didn't actually matter after all.
which overall has less variety in music
You have two similar games and you are saying one is bad for this and this but the other is not.
link's awakening has all the weird NPC,those 2D segments,all the gimmicky boss
when called on it you ignore it
and what annoys you one day with one thing seems to have no affect on you the next day or the next thing.
Anyway, that's all I've got to say about that. Actually no, one more thing: when confronted about your poor style of argument, you have a tendency to verbally climb up on a cross and start "poor me"-ing, which is also really fucking annoying in a disagreement. It's the adult equivalent of crying when the teacher puts red ink on your homework.
I don't dislike you, magus, but I'm starting to. It's up to you if you care enough about that to change things or not.
I was going to leave this alone, but since you seem actually curious as to why this happens to you and nobody else around here, magus, I will oblige.
It's not your opinions that infuriate people, generally. "I dislike Link to the Past" is perhaps controversial but not incorrect insofar as it is just you reporting your experience with the game. "I dislike Link to the Past because it's bland" will probably provoke more disagreement but is also not incorrect, as you are again just reporting your experience. What sets people off with you comes down to two things you do, past these types of opinion statements.
First, you tend to support your opinions with statements that *are* incorrect. You said there were no unique enemies to the dungeons; there are. You said there was only one dungeon song; there are at least two. You said the soldier appeared in almost every dungeon; he appears in almost none of the dungeons. These are not opinions. These are statements, and they are incorrect. People like to correct people who use incorrect statements as supporting information in disagreements. You do this a *lot*, I should stress, and it's often with basic information. On top of that, when your incorrect information is pointed out to you, you usually either don't acknowledge that you were wrong or you just slough it off like your supporting information didn't actually matter after all.
The second reason people tend to jump on you is that you apply your reasoning inconsistently. You call out Link to the Past for having little variety in music and dungeon tiles that look too similar, but then go on to praise Link's Awakening, which overall has less variety in music and, owing to the fact that it's on Game Boy, more similar looking dungeon tiles. This isn't an apples to oranges comparison. You have two similar games and you are saying one is bad for this and this but the other is not. You do this a lot, too, and as people get to know more and more about you and your opinions, the lack of consistency is frustrating because it starts to feel like it's hard to tell if you're ever being genuine or not.
Both of these combined makes it feel like it's pointless to speak with you, particularly when the topic is one of disagreement. You throw out false information to support yourself, when called on it you ignore it or laugh it off, and what annoys you one day with one thing seems to have no affect on you the next day or the next thing. These are the traits of perhaps the most irritating people to converse with, because it makes you come off as either stupid, purposefully obtuse, or disingenuous. Nobody wants to talk to people like that.
Anyway, that's all I've got to say about that. Actually no, one more thing: when confronted about your poor style of argument, you have a tendency to verbally climb up on a cross and start "poor me"-ing, which is also really fucking annoying in a disagreement. It's the adult equivalent of crying when the teacher puts red ink on your homework.
I don't dislike you, magus, but I'm starting to. It's up to you if you care enough about that to change things or not.
Why are people talking about Zelda, and not how Kojima sucks balls and has infected the industry with his penis envy of shitty action movies?
That post wasn't about continuing the argument about Zelda, magus. If that's what you got from it, I don't know what else to say to you. I'm not the only one who is irritated with the way you express yourself, but what I'm trying to do here is articulate to you why people get annoyed. You're not the only one here with very unusual tastes, but you do seem to be a lightning rod for backlash for expressing them. I'm telling you why I go off on you and not, for example, Sceneman. Do what you will with what I've said, but you can never say you don't know why Oscar jumps down your throat now.
Also, while I see you've gotten the desired response from a couple of people with what you've done, you'll not be getting it from me. If you want to leave, leave. If you want to stay, stay. Don't talk about leaving if etc etc, threaten to leave if etc etc. It's a bitch move. You're attempting to elicit sympathy, exempt yourself from criticism, and basically control the discussion in one of the most underhanded and cowardly ways possible by threatening to leave. You are free to express your opinions, no matter how nutty or contrary or rage-inducing they might be. You are not, however, free to express them without threat of reply. If you truly can't handle that, then please, leave. I have enough people I have to treat with kid gloves in my life, I certainly don't need to be worrying about pulling my punches in a video game discussion forum. I don't want you to feel bad, but I won't let you use my desire for you to not feel bad to control how I treat you in a conversation.
i really need to stop clicking that "revive them" button
I don't dislike you, magus, but I'm starting to. It's up to you if you care enough about that to change things or not.
If someone pisses you off, then let them have it. It's more respectable than self-pity any day of the week.
Your preferences and attitudes fluctuate so much its obvious that you're presenting a constant stance that purposefully conflicts with any given discussion to illicit a response.
Why are people talking about Zelda, and not how Kojima sucks balls and has infected the industry with his penis envy of shitty action movies?
I've never been able to "play" more than two hours of any metal gear solid game. The poster child of the "Playstation Generation" game for gamers ashamed of playing video games. Give me kideo games over hideo games any day.
Why are people talking about Zelda, and not how Kojima sucks balls and has infected the industry with his penis envy of shitty action movies?
I'm actually pretty fond of the MGS core gameplay- it's one of the few games that does "stealth" stuff right in my opinion.
Too bad Kojima wants me to sit through the equivalent of a couple of really dumb movies in order to play his games.
and now we're back around to games that cover up their gameplay inadequacies by masquerading as art
full circle!
MGS 2 was the low point for me. I literally couldn't play that one because all the horseshit story got in the way of my enjoyment of it. For others it seems to be MGS 4 but that one bothered me a lot less. In fact I'm in the minority on here and on GAF in that I like that one.
It's a weird idea but I think these games should have a "streamlined" version. It has cutscenes but they don't have insane length. Then there could be the "director's cut" which is the same game but with all the added wankery and long stuff that Kojima clearly loves.
You have never beaten a Metal Gear Solid game or read what MGS fans who play MGS for gameplay do then. MGS can be very hardcore depending on the fan. Speed runs, no kill runs, no alert runs, hard and extreme mode runs (memorization, being alert, awareness, paying attention to sound) where you don't have radar...Your post is not only errornous, it is ridiculous because it has grouped all fans into one pool who may or may not like the games for similar or separate reasons.
Himu, Kojima himself thinks of them as art. They're cheeky and full of wacky humour, but you're not going to sit there and tell me MGS2 wasn't trying to be a piece of post-modern art. Because if you do, I will burn you alive for being a big ol' liar.
MGS2 is all tanker mission and VR for me. great little game.
You guys forgetting or ignoring Peace Walker? Control layout was pure ass but it had the best gameplay for me.I don't particularly like Peace Walker. Outside of story reasons I just found the game to be a chore to play.
I don't like watching my character not move, so I pretty much disliked MGS from the get-go.
When I piss on Hollywood games, I don't aim to say that its impossible to like these games. The main issue is the mentality behind them, the way they are advertised, and the way fans & press talk about them. A trailer that shows nothing of gameplay doesn't interest me. It feels like it's saying "look how well we made this game look like a film you may have seen." Well, okay. That doesn't get my money though. They prey on a sense of shame in regards to videogames, and because of that don't engage games in the right way. This doesn't mean that they can't come up with some fun gameplay here and there, but that they're always looking towards some Hollywood future of gaming. If they wanted to really impress, they'd be looking towards the past where the building blocks are to be found. So, Kojima fashioning himself an auteur of sorts is silly when he doesn't even engage games for what they are and where their benefit to art/media/entertainment are to be found. Plus, his writing doesn't help either.
I also worry about the industry relying on huge AAA blockbuster titles for existence. When they fail, there's so much fallout, and when they succeed, most of them don't add anything to gaming that I enjoy.
Basically, there's a difference between admiring a game because the cutscenes are actually non-painful and holding the game up on a pedestal for those cutscenes.
I don't like watching my character not move, so I pretty much disliked MGS from the get-go.
When I piss on Hollywood games, I don't aim to say that its impossible to like these games. The main issue is the mentality behind them, the way they are advertised, and the way fans & press talk about them. A trailer that shows nothing of gameplay doesn't interest me. It feels like it's saying "look how well we made this game look like a film you may have seen." Well, okay. That doesn't get my money though. They prey on a sense of shame in regards to videogames, and because of that don't engage games in the right way. This doesn't mean that they can't come up with some fun gameplay here and there, but that they're always looking towards some Hollywood future of gaming. If they wanted to really impress, they'd be looking towards the past where the building blocks are to be found. So, Kojima fashioning himself an auteur of sorts is silly when he doesn't even engage games for what they are and where their benefit to art/media/entertainment are to be found. Plus, his writing doesn't help either.
I also worry about the industry relying on huge AAA blockbuster titles for existence. When they fail, there's so much fallout, and when they succeed, most of them don't add anything to gaming that I enjoy.
Basically, there's a difference between admiring a game because the cutscenes are actually non-painful and holding the game up on a pedestal for those cutscenes.
I'm torn between wanting to agree with your general point and wanting to flame the hell out of you for coming off like a nostalgia addled buttfucker, etoilet. Esp. re: the bolded part. "Only games that acknowledge our Nofriendo overlord past are worthy of being called games, ugguuuuuuu."