The writing on BB is good overall. It's some of the lazy plot devices and coincidences that sometimes make it hard to view it as some serious show to be compared to The Wire, The Sopranos, The Shield, etc.They already have: The Borgias.
S3 is god tier television, and S4 is very good too.
And can we stop proclaiming Homeland as the best thing ever until Showtime proves they can pull off a good season season?
The writing on BB is good overall. It's some of the lazy plot devices and coincidences that sometimes make it hard to view it as some serious show to be compared to The Wire, The Sopranos, The Shield, etc.They already have: The Borgias.
S3 is god tier television, and S4 is very good too.
And can we stop proclaiming Homeland as the best thing ever until Showtime proves they can pull off a good season season?
I love Game of Thrones but you are fucking correct.The writing on BB is good overall. It's some of the lazy plot devices and coincidences that sometimes make it hard to view it as some serious show to be compared to The Wire, The Sopranos, The Shield, etc.They already have: The Borgias.
S3 is god tier television, and S4 is very good too.
And can we stop proclaiming Homeland as the best thing ever until Showtime proves they can pull off a good season season?
Seriously, Lucrezia>Sansa any day.
The only people who like Sansa are SanSan shippers, let's be honest. Having a better character on your show than her is not some amazing feat.The reason they are compared is that they are in fundamentally the same role in both shows, but Lucrezia is smarter, hotter, and fucking devious as shit.
The only people who like Sansa are SanSan shippers, let's be honest. Having a better character on your show than her is not some amazing feat.The reason they are compared is that they are in fundamentally the same role in both shows, but Lucrezia is smarter, hotter, and fucking devious as shit.
She's basically what Sansa might become in a book or two.
The only people who like Sansa are SanSan shippers, let's be honest. Having a better character on your show than her is not some amazing feat.
How DARE you say Cesare is unlikable.The only people who like Sansa are SanSan shippers, let's be honest. Having a better character on your show than her is not some amazing feat.
I'm just making the comparison since both characters are the same age/circumstances, but Sansa honestly never does anything rash or ballsy no matter how shitty her situation gets. Lucrezia otoh totally learns to pull those puppet strings. But tbf, she's the only likable character on The Borgias.
How DARE you say Cesare is unlikable.
HOW DARE YOU
I hate this criticism of Sansa, and it makes me upset I'm even defending her. What exactly do people want Sansa to do in her situation? What "puppet strings" can she pull as a prisoner with next to no time to herself? Worse yet, why would she dare risk the wrath of a sadistic king and an indifferent queen?
She certainly begins to scheme a bit in the third book, but she actually has some protection...eh, I won't go into spoilers.
I dunno, I think the underlying crux of his powerlessness as being the younger brother who craves the ability to rule an army while constantly getting shut down by his father provides a really great character conflict. On top of that, while he starts to revel in his ability to kill indiscriminately, he's constantly undone by his sister, who wants to keep seeing him as some pure person.
He's likable to me because he's got so many shades to his character -- at times he's romantic, obsessive, cynical, murderous, perverted, gentle, stoic, depressed. He wants what he can't have, an interesting contrast to his father, who has all that he wants but constantly craves more.
That brings me to Rodrigo, who is likable because Jeremy Irons.
Yeah, I find BB more enjoyable if I consider it pulp, but then it tries to be this serious show, and then it takes me out of the experience because the characters are stupid.The serious parts never seem that serious for me. Like Jesse and his girlfriend, Jesse whining over Gale, Walt's marriage. It never seemed like it was trying to evoke emotion to me. It just seemed like the writers were using plot devices to obviously move the story in a direction. It's all so unrealistic that I could never buy it as anything more than pulp. It's almost as careless as Ugly Betty when it comes to plot devices and I like it that way.
Breaking Bad as pulp television :lolhow is it not? it's a fantasy. bigger than life characters (Gus and even Walt) doing crazy shit with little or no realistic repurcussions.
Cool. I don't think anyone said all fantasy was pulp.Breaking Bad as pulp television :lolhow is it not? it's a fantasy. bigger than life characters (Gus and even Walt) doing crazy shit with little or no realistic repurcussions.
Not all fantasy is pulp.
You say that, but I watched season 2 as well.
First problem is a feeble plot loosely based around the Baltimore docks. It never gets any traction, continually scratching around for something to latch on but never coming close to the intensity and concentration of the First Series. Secondly, even this semblance of plot is unconvincing and surprisingly conventional. Guess what? The dockers are ripping off some of the containers! And there are some Bad Men behind the scenes with sinister foreign accents and sinister monikers like "The Greek" who calmly assure the people they torture that they have their solemn word that they'll be spared if they offer the information they're being tortured for but then have them garroted anyway. You'd think this is "Die Hard".
And then the acting is often ridiculously over-the-top. "Season One" was remarkably understated in this regard with exemplary performances throughout but here various characters vie for who can chew the scenery with more aplomb. It's more and more evident that the central character, McNulty, is miscast: Dominic West far more readily suggests that he'd be more naturally attuned to the pages of "Gentleman's Quarterly" than as a sleep-in-his-clothes self-destructive (but dedicated) cop; his drunk scene is about as unconvincing as it gets. And although many of the characters are clearly meant to be eccentrically loveable, I have to admit I find them irritating. The writing is contrived, attempting to capture the Poetry Of The Streets but failing ignominiously. Of course there is "earthy" humour in abundance but it continually falls flat; to compensate, we are shown lots of reaction shots of people laughing uproariously to let us know humour WAS intended. In fact, there's a constant straining for effect rather than natural story-telling. It's as if the writers are vainly shooting the plot up with adrenalin when it is so plainly dead.
Funnilly, those are my least favorite parts of BB. Jesse going emo over Gale was the last straw. It's like every season he hits rock bottom, and it's so repetitive, because Jesse will always have some new kind of understanding on life, and the whole process repeats. He has zero character development and always reverts to this depressed shell. I'm not sure if that's what they're going for on purpose, but man is it repetitive and tiring.
I'm at the end of S3, gonna watch the finale soon. I gotta say S3 of Mad Men is god tier television. Just amazing, and on a level about the first two seasons which I thought were damn good but not truly amazing.
I love the few discussions of race on the show, specifically the situation with Pete trying to convince a television manufacturer to advertise directly to black people, who were buying their TV sets at high rates.
Boyd also led a sales team composed entirely of blacks around the country to promote Pepsi. Racial segregation and Jim Crow laws were still in place throughout much of the U.S.; Boyd's team faced a great deal of discrimination as a result,[9] from insults by Pepsi co-workers to threats by the Ku Klux Klan.[10] On the other hand, it was able to use racism as a selling point, attacking Coke's reluctance to hire blacks and support by the chairman of Coke for segregationist Governor of Georgia Herman Talmadge.[8] As a result, Pepsi's market share as compared to Coke's shot up dramatically. After the sales team visited Chicago, Pepsi's share in the city overtook that of Coke for the first time.[8]
This focus on the market for black people caused some consternation within the company and among its affiliates. It did not want to seem focused on black customers for fear white customers would be pushed away.[8] In a meeting at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, Mack tried to assuage the 500 bottlers in attendance by pandering to them, saying: "We don't want it to become known as a distinguished black fellow drink."[11] After Mack left the company in 1950, support for the black sales team faded and it was cut.
I'm at the end of S3, gonna watch the finale soon. I gotta say S3 of Mad Men is god tier television. Just amazing, and on a level about the first two seasons which I thought were damn good but not truly amazing.
I love the few discussions of race on the show, specifically the situation with Pete trying to convince a television manufacturer to advertise directly to black people, who were buying their TV sets at high rates.
The Shield shits on Breaking Bad in nearly every way
Breaking Bad is closely analogous to The Shield in terms of tone and its treatment of characters and drama. You'd have to be pretty dumb to think that's a bad thing.
Funnilly, those are my least favorite parts of BB. Jesse going emo over Gale was the last straw. It's like every season he hits rock bottom, and it's so repetitive, because Jesse will always have some new kind of understanding on life, and the whole process repeats. He has zero character development and always reverts to this depressed shell. I'm not sure if that's what they're going for on purpose, but man is it repetitive and tiring.
Jesse is an ADDICT who RELAPSES whenever he can't cope with the fucked up bed he has made for himself. Its not that outlandish, really.
You say that, but I watched season 2 as well.
First problem is a feeble plot loosely based around the Baltimore docks. It never gets any traction, continually scratching around for something to latch on but never coming close to the intensity and concentration of the First Series. Secondly, even this semblance of plot is unconvincing and surprisingly conventional. Guess what? The dockers are ripping off some of the containers! And there are some Bad Men behind the scenes with sinister foreign accents and sinister monikers like "The Greek" who calmly assure the people they torture that they have their solemn word that they'll be spared if they offer the information they're being tortured for but then have them garroted anyway. You'd think this is "Die Hard".
And then the acting is often ridiculously over-the-top. "Season One" was remarkably understated in this regard with exemplary performances throughout but here various characters vie for who can chew the scenery with more aplomb. It's more and more evident that the central character, McNulty, is miscast: Dominic West far more readily suggests that he'd be more naturally attuned to the pages of "Gentleman's Quarterly" than as a sleep-in-his-clothes self-destructive (but dedicated) cop; his drunk scene is about as unconvincing as it gets. And although many of the characters are clearly meant to be eccentrically loveable, I have to admit I find them irritating. The writing is contrived, attempting to capture the Poetry Of The Streets but failing ignominiously. Of course there is "earthy" humour in abundance but it continually falls flat; to compensate, we are shown lots of reaction shots of people laughing uproariously to let us know humour WAS intended. In fact, there's a constant straining for effect rather than natural story-telling. It's as if the writers are vainly shooting the plot up with adrenalin when it is so plainly dead.
I don't know. I don't think pulp has meant that in a while. Not since the 90's when throwbacks came into fashion full force. Since then from what I can tell it's meant extremely self indulgent, self aware and a fantasy.Cool. I don't think anyone said all fantasy was pulp.Breaking Bad as pulp television :lolhow is it not? it's a fantasy. bigger than life characters (Gus and even Walt) doing crazy shit with little or no realistic repurcussions.
Not all fantasy is pulp.
I guess I misinterpreted your post. I thought you were saying it's pulp because it isn't entirely realistic.
Anyway, pulp, as used today, generally implies a certain lack of quality, which I don't think applies to Breaking Bad in the slightest.
I don't know. I don't think pulp has meant that in a while. Not since the 90's when throwbacks came into fashion full force. Since then from what I can tell it's meant extremely self indulgent, self aware and a fantasy.Cool. I don't think anyone said all fantasy was pulp.Breaking Bad as pulp television :lolhow is it not? it's a fantasy. bigger than life characters (Gus and even Walt) doing crazy shit with little or no realistic repurcussions.
Not all fantasy is pulp.
I guess I misinterpreted your post. I thought you were saying it's pulp because it isn't entirely realistic.
Anyway, pulp, as used today, generally implies a certain lack of quality, which I don't think applies to Breaking Bad in the slightest.
I think that means generally the same as what I said (or tried to say). Like look at action or gangster pulp from the 50's and 60's books/comics. I don't mean self aware or self indulgent like "oh i'm so clever". I meant it like they know what they are and are trying to be nothing more. Maybe I used the wrong terms to describe it. But I mean more like how even the emotional scenes in Breaking Bad and the "character development" are usually extremely shallow and downplayed except for moving the plot forward in some way. It's never dwelled on and is strictly a plot device.I don't know. I don't think pulp has meant that in a while. Not since the 90's when throwbacks came into fashion full force. Since then from what I can tell it's meant extremely self indulgent, self aware and a fantasy.Cool. I don't think anyone said all fantasy was pulp.Breaking Bad as pulp television :lolhow is it not? it's a fantasy. bigger than life characters (Gus and even Walt) doing crazy shit with little or no realistic repurcussions.
Not all fantasy is pulp.
I guess I misinterpreted your post. I thought you were saying it's pulp because it isn't entirely realistic.
Anyway, pulp, as used today, generally implies a certain lack of quality, which I don't think applies to Breaking Bad in the slightest.
I think "pulp" means the opposite of that. It's straightforward (usually) genre stories that are clear they aren't striving to rise above the genre.
omg, the more i watch the more i like jesse and the more walt becomes a fucking moron
why do people have fascination with walt?
Why did Walt decide to disappear when Gus said he'd kill his family? Didn't Gus say he'd kill his family ONLY if Walt bothered Jesse? Or was he talking in general?
Just take it and die. You've dug your grave, baka.
Gus said it was ultimately down to Jesse and in order to replace Jesse, Jesse would have to teach his own replacement how to cook. So he needs Jesse alive, and Jesse won't do it on the condition that Walt is kept alive.
I didn't say Gus wouldn't let Walt off alive. Walt is dead to Gus, that doesn't matter.
What does matter is Walt running immediately to Saul, telling he wants to hire the guy that makes people disappear, when Gus specifically said not to bother Jesse or he'll kill his whole family. What were the condition Gus used against Walt's family? Read this again, PD: Walt's family. F-A-M-I-L-Y. With the one caveat of killing Hank. Not Walt, himself, Walt is dead no matter what he does.
I'm asking for clarification. Did Gus say he'd kill Walt's family if he got in the way of the hit on Hank? Or did he say he'd do it if he bothered Jesse? Or was it just a general threat?
Speaking of Allen, he seemed particularly agitated during the GoT comic con panel. Martin came off EXTREMELY creepy with constant sexual jokes or references, and at one point joked about Allen saying his favorite scene was his speech towards the end of the season; Martin wondered why the sex scenes weren't his favorite, or something like that, and Allen was like uhhh because I'm an actor and like the act. I kind of wondered if Allen was upset about likely being snubbed by the Emmys
http://winteriscoming.net/2012/07/game-of-thrones-panel-video/
cringe worthy shit
Yeah fuck no. cranston is not even in the same league as hamm and it's laughable to say otherwise. fuuuck this noise.
Yeah fuck no. cranston is not even in the same league as hamm and it's laughable to say otherwise. fuuuck this noise.
Jon Hamm is an incredible actor and easily my favorite male TV actor. His work on mad men is unparalleled.
For me, what makes that scene is the music. Goddamn. Perfect and on cue.
What sold that scene for me wasn't Cranston, or the music. They helped obviously. It was actually Skyler. The rage emitting out of Walt was intense and how she was reacting to it and realizing what it meant made everything work.
I dunno, man. I don't think Cranston really came into his own until season 4. Plus, you haven't seen seasons 4 and 5 of Mad Men.
What sold that scene for me wasn't Cranston, or the music. They helped obviously. It was actually Skyler. The rage emitting out of Walt was intense and how she was reacting to it and realizing what it meant made everything work.
You know the laugh scene is going to be shown at the Emmys when they run down the names. In one scene you're gonna have Cranston giving everyone goosebumps, standing ovation, on the other you're gonna have Hamm being a douchebag savant with that Dreamworks expression plastered on his face to a tepid applause.
They also are taking AMC off Dish.
amc is still on my dish ???
Mad Men will have maybe 2 more seasons. They want it to encompass the entire 1960's.
Doesn't AMC have an adaptation of World War Z coming or is that a film?
Walking Dead will soon be their sole bread and butter. They better find a good show
I can understand why they felt The Killing was appealing, but it hasn't worked out. Weak ratings and bad reviews.