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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Himu on August 10, 2012, 07:26:37 PM

Title: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 10, 2012, 07:26:37 PM
http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/8/9/3232200/sega-brings-nine-playable-games-to-pax-prime-including-one

:hyper :hyper :hyper :hyper :hyper

Quote
Sega is bringing nine playable games to this year's Penny Arcade Expo in Seattle, including one unannounced game.

BELIEVE
Title: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Huff on August 10, 2012, 07:31:33 PM
I'm ready for the let down
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 10, 2012, 07:38:43 PM
Sonic Rivals 3 3DS/Vita
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 10, 2012, 07:42:12 PM
I'm ready for the let down

Creepy Old Guy likes this
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 10, 2012, 07:47:47 PM
I am not ready for a letdown
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 10, 2012, 07:58:58 PM
You guys are so totally Charlie Brown, Sega is Lucy, and your shitty videogame is the football.  NEVAH GONNA GIT IT
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: archie4208 on August 10, 2012, 08:09:00 PM
PSO2 :drool
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Takao on August 10, 2012, 08:10:11 PM
SEGA's blog said it was a new IP for digital release. Shenmue isn't exactly a new IP.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 10, 2012, 08:17:33 PM
Shenmue Kart Racing
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 10, 2012, 08:50:18 PM
SEGA's blog said it was a new IP for digital release. Shenmue isn't exactly a new IP.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Positive Touch on August 10, 2012, 08:54:10 PM
yknow why they'll never rerelease shenmue?  BECAUSE NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT SHENMUE
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Tasty on August 10, 2012, 09:13:54 PM
If they put it on Wii U I'd play it.

They should put it on 3DS for the lulz.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 10, 2012, 09:17:43 PM
SEGA's blog said it was a new IP for digital release. Shenmue isn't exactly a new IP.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

YES

TASTE THE TEARS OF THE DEFEATED, SO DELICIOUS
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 11, 2012, 01:06:52 AM
Looks incredible in HD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyfo7u9MGto
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Tasty on August 11, 2012, 01:09:10 AM
So why not just play that?
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 11, 2012, 01:12:34 AM
My Dreamcast freezes when I play Shenmue 1 and 2. I don't know if it's my GD-ROMS or the Dreamcast, but replacing Shenmue II PAL isn't exactly easy to do.  Plus, 1080p isn't possible on Dreamcast. I could emulate in NullDC, but that emulator is still spotty.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Trent Dole on August 11, 2012, 02:31:54 AM
SEGA's blog said it was a new IP for digital release. Shenmue isn't exactly a new IP.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

YES

TASTE THE TEARS OF THE DEFEATED, SO DELICIOUS
lol. I was hoping it was a western release of Project Diva F.  :(
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 11, 2012, 02:45:42 AM
I used to like Shenmue, then I realized it sucks when I went back to play it.

So many games have evolved past everything Shenmue could ever do in every way possible, many games have stood the test of time. Shenmue ain't one of them.

SOMEBODY FUCKING GETS IT

HOLY SHITBALLS
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 11, 2012, 02:50:16 AM
Nope.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Momo on August 11, 2012, 06:03:13 AM
woo hoo PSO2!!

Not falling into the shenmue cycle again :maf
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Tasty on August 11, 2012, 06:23:30 AM
nothing's ever going to top shenmue city for prompting tears from the horrible fans, but i'm more than happy to watch sega continue to try

The smile hides the pain, am I right Oscar?
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Purple Filth on August 11, 2012, 09:05:14 AM
My Dreamcast freezes when I play Shenmue 1 and 2. I don't know if it's my GD-ROMS or the Dreamcast, but replacing Shenmue II PAL isn't exactly easy to do.  Plus, 1080p isn't possible on Dreamcast. I could emulate in NullDC, but that emulator is still spotty.

Even your dreamcast knows whats up (the games suck shit)


nothing's ever going to top shenmue city for prompting tears from the horrible fans, but i'm more than happy to watch sega continue to try

same here.


Add Capcom trying with the Megaman fans as well (MML3  :lol :lol :lol :lol)
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: tiesto on August 11, 2012, 10:21:43 AM
SEGA's blog said it was a new IP for digital release. Shenmue isn't exactly a new IP.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

YES

TASTE THE TEARS OF THE DEFEATED, SO DELICIOUS
lol. I was hoping it was a western release of Project Diva F.  :(

Me too... vocaloids are really popular and have some fairly widespread appeal from what I've seen (hell, you can even get vocaloid-themed tshirts at Hot Topic)... have no idea why Sega wouldn't try releasing Project Diva f... but then again, it's Sega.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Positive Touch on August 11, 2012, 10:39:50 AM

Add Capcom trying with the Megaman fans as well (MML3  :lol :lol :lol :lol)

(http://i.imgur.com/mfzZj.jpg)

FUCK YOU
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Takao on August 11, 2012, 11:05:01 AM
SEGA's blog said it was a new IP for digital release. Shenmue isn't exactly a new IP.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

YES

TASTE THE TEARS OF THE DEFEATED, SO DELICIOUS
lol. I was hoping it was a western release of Project Diva F.  :(

Me too... vocaloids are really popular and have some fairly widespread appeal from what I've seen (hell, you can even get vocaloid-themed tshirts at Hot Topic)... have no idea why Sega wouldn't try releasing Project Diva f... but then again, it's Sega.

You know, Project Diva technically would be a new IP in North America ... That probably won't be it.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 11, 2012, 11:31:58 AM
You guys are so, so wrong that it is adorable.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2012, 12:00:34 PM
Shenmue is such a clunky, boring game, I'm not sure why anyone would want to play it again.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: bork on August 11, 2012, 12:06:52 PM
Shenmue is such a clunky, boring game, I'm not sure why anyone would want to play it again.

Shenmue was such a clunky, boring game that I'm not sure why anyone wanted to play it back when it came out.  :p

Yu Suzuki was at his best when he was making arcade games.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 11, 2012, 12:07:11 PM
Fuck all of you
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: archie4208 on August 11, 2012, 12:16:28 PM
Let's talk about PSO2 instead.  At least that has actual gameplay.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: cool breeze on August 11, 2012, 12:19:18 PM
I think Shenmue hold up well.  Really gets across the feeling of adventure, especially when you get to the sequel.  That's rare in games, imo.

Only the control scheme feels dated, since you move with the d-pad and use the left analog stick for some camera movement.  Assuming there is an HD collection, I'm sure that could be fixed, since JGR HD has brand new camera control.  They'd also need to add VMU stuff on screen.  Or on the weeeooo screen.  Otherwise it hold up really well, assuming you can handle the slow pace.  Some people can't anymore.  It's really very slow.

And I don't think Shenmue 3 will ever be a thing.  Real ending is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRREzmNOHQU

Shenmue 2 is a dream.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Momo on August 11, 2012, 12:41:45 PM
Shenmue hate :lol

But yes let's talk about an actual game that is coming over, PSO2.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: tiesto on August 11, 2012, 01:34:09 PM
Let's talk about PSO2 instead.  At least that has actual gameplay.

Sorry, too busy trying to block the PSO series out of my mind...
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Wario64 on August 11, 2012, 02:25:45 PM
http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/8/9/3232200/sega-brings-nine-playable-games-to-pax-prime-including-one

:hyper :hyper :hyper :hyper :hyper

Quote
Sega is bringing nine playable games to this year's Penny Arcade Expo in Seattle, including one unannounced game.

BELIEVE

I believe


It was on Partnernet like over a year ago, it's inevitable
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Trent Dole on August 11, 2012, 04:49:19 PM
Shenmue hate :lol

But yes let's talk about an actual game that is coming over, PSO2.
I have over 140 hours on the JP version at this point. So many nights spent staying up until Like 5 a.m. Game will own your soul. :hyper
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Momo on August 11, 2012, 05:23:51 PM
I started playing the JP version but quickly ended when there were rumblings of an english announcement on the PSO twitter. I dont think chars will transfer Trent :(
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Trent Dole on August 11, 2012, 10:58:05 PM
I started playing the JP version but quickly ended when there were rumblings of an english announcement on the PSO twitter. I dont think chars will transfer Trent :(
No they will not and if PSU is any indication neither will most of the content! There's a pretty thriving English community on the JP servers anyway. If the US servers are well run and fairly up to date I'll run on them too, it'd be nice to know wtf is going on story wise. :lol
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 11, 2012, 11:47:25 PM
Shenmue II is amazing.  Linkzg, II has analog controls. Shenmue 1's controls are pretty fine, has the most relaxing controls in a game.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 12, 2012, 12:45:18 AM
I used to care about more Shenmue, but then Sega started releasing the Yakuza games in the west, so maybe I'm not so dang invested in that anymore.

I'd far prefer a Yakuza 1/2 HD release over Shenmue, and it'd probably do better for Sega in the long run too.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2012, 01:02:13 AM
Stop comparing Yakuza to Shenmue.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Purple Filth on August 12, 2012, 01:09:15 AM
I used to care about more Shenmue, but then Sega started releasing the Yakuza games in the west, so maybe I'm not so dang invested in that anymore.

I'd far prefer a Yakuza 1/2 HD release over Shenmue, and it'd probably do better for Sega in the long run too.

Isn't this in the cards though as i could have sworn seeing some rumbling about it.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Takao on August 12, 2012, 01:34:55 AM
I used to care about more Shenmue, but then Sega started releasing the Yakuza games in the west, so maybe I'm not so dang invested in that anymore.

I'd far prefer a Yakuza 1/2 HD release over Shenmue, and it'd probably do better for Sega in the long run too.

Isn't this in the cards though as i could have sworn seeing some rumbling about it.

Yakuza 1/2 HD has been announced for PS3 in Japan. No word on international release.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Positive Touch on August 12, 2012, 03:00:34 AM
Stop comparing Yakuza to Shenmue.

they're the same damn thing except yakuza has gameplay
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2012, 03:08:57 AM
No they're not, shut the fuck up.

Also the "lol no gameplay" trolls are pretty bad and show how limited your gaming knowledge is. Shenmue is an adventure game with the occasional action bit. Yakuza is a full on action adventure with rpg elements and leveling up and blah blah. Saying Shenmue has no gameplay is like saying Day of the Tentacle has no gameplay. You do story scenarios, explore, and solve puzzles. Same shit, different dimension (2d vs 3d) and emphasis (cartoony vs realistic).
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 12, 2012, 03:40:45 AM
SOMEBODY sounds awfully defensive and butthurt up in hurr
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Positive Touch on August 12, 2012, 12:24:47 PM
Also the "lol no gameplay" trolls are pretty bad and show how limited your gaming knowledge is.

(http://i.imgur.com/JQacP.gif)

shenmue doesn't have gameplay, it has you walking around a city asking people repetitive questions and occasionally standing around waiting for a bus.  also there are three fight sequences and a cart racing mode.

y'know why gta made open-world popular and shitmoo didn't? BECAUSE GTA HAD ACTUAL GAMEPLAY
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2012, 02:25:13 PM

shenmue doesn't have gameplay, it has you walking around a city asking people repetitive questions

Thanks for proving my point and exposing you know shit all about games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxGOXBWXXfk

Same shit. Talk to people, find out where to go, get direction, solve puzzle, get new plot advancement, get a few items, start process over.

Go back to your xbuck and play Mass of Shit 3, Positive.

Because that is clearly all you do know how to play, punk bitch.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 12, 2012, 02:40:14 PM
Fine, Himu, Shenmue is boring, clunky ADVENTURE game. Happy now?
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2012, 02:41:30 PM
YES.

Shenmue 1 IS boring, and that's part of the novelty. I CAN'T EXPLAIN IT. But it's totally different from any other game out there, it's boring and mundane because nothing happens but at the same time it's so interesting and detailed that I don't give a shit.

Now Shenmue II however, is the greatest martial arts game ever made. :bow Shenmue II is NOT boring.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 12, 2012, 02:42:04 PM
Shenmue 1 IS boring, and that's part of the novelty.

:rofl
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2012, 02:43:36 PM
IT'S TRUE THOUGH.

YOU KNOW HOW I SAID GAMES CAN'T BE ART BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE BORING GAMES?

Shenmue is case example number 1.

Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Momo on August 12, 2012, 02:50:30 PM
punk bitch.
It's been YEARS, I miss this phrase :lol
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Trent Dole on August 12, 2012, 04:51:22 PM
Every Shenmue thread needs this jam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rccW9Tig6_Y
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Positive Touch on August 12, 2012, 08:50:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGMXRvpxUbM

this is now a yakuza appreciation thread
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 12, 2012, 08:53:52 PM
brb, going to play Yakuza 4
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Takao on August 12, 2012, 09:08:11 PM
Title should be renamed "SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Yakuza 1/2 HD".
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Positive Touch on August 12, 2012, 09:17:07 PM
Title should be renamed "SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Yakuza 1/2 HD".

agreed

DEMI!!!
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2012, 09:19:03 PM
I don't understand why people who don't like Shenmue always have to be assholes to people who do like Shenmue.

And this is speaking as someone who adores the Yakuza games, or at least 1 and 2.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: bork on August 13, 2012, 05:22:16 PM

shenmue doesn't have gameplay, it has you walking around a city asking people repetitive questions

Thanks for proving my point and exposing you know shit all about games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxGOXBWXXfk

Same shit. Talk to people, find out where to go, get direction, solve puzzle, get new plot advancement, get a few items, start process over.

Go back to your xbuck and play Mass of Shit 3, Positive.

Because that is clearly all you do know how to play, punk bitch.

So Shen Mue is a graphic adventure game in the same genre as Monkey Island now?   ???

It's a 3D action/adventure game.  A boring one.  Maybe II is much better- I dunno 'cause I lost interest in after 30 minutes.

Still spent more time with Shen Mue than I have with any Yakuza game- hoping Yakuza 1+2 comes out for PS3 in the U.S. with the original game in Japanese.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 13, 2012, 08:42:22 PM
Um. Yeah, it's same genre as Monkey Island. Same structure. You said it's an action adventure but there are only about 5-6 fights total in Shenmue, so clearly it has no emphasis on action.

I realize Shenmue is boring. Even I admit this. It's very, very dull. And yet, I still like it despite this. But unlike games that just fall flat and end up being dull, Shenmue 1 is dull...on PURPOSE. Which is very hard to explain and very hard to pinpoint in terms of appeal.

Shenmue II is much better as a game. It features open cities with tons of things to do, three different locales, a multiple chapter spawning martial arts story, intense and crazy moments. It is the ying to Shenmue I's yang. If Shenmue I+II HD ever becomes a thing, I highly suggest picking it up, at least at a cheap price. The amount of people I know who aren't big on the first Shenmue but are unadulterated fanboys of its sequel is too high in number.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 13, 2012, 08:49:03 PM
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/117856/Analysis_On_Shenmue__Dare_to_Be_Dull.php
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Positive Touch on August 13, 2012, 09:30:50 PM
But unlike games that just fall flat and end up being dull, Shenmue 1 is dull...on PURPOSE.

 ::) bitch go to the park
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on August 13, 2012, 09:49:06 PM

shenmue doesn't have gameplay, it has you walking around a city asking people repetitive questions

Thanks for proving my point and exposing you know shit all about games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxGOXBWXXfk

Same shit. Talk to people, find out where to go, get direction, solve puzzle, get new plot advancement, get a few items, start process over.

Go back to your xbuck and play Mass of Shit 3, Positive.

Because that is clearly all you do know how to play, punk bitch.
The Secret of Monkey Island is really only nominally a game - it's better described as a set of puzzles.  It doesn't require any judgement/decisions, only problem-solving.  While we're on the subject, most rhythm games aren't best-described as games either, for similar reasons - they're purely tests of reflexes and memory.  Chess - game, Jigsaw puzzle - puzzle.
Shenmue has barely any puzzles or gameplay.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 13, 2012, 09:57:50 PM
I dunno man. It depends on how you see it. When you talk to people you're kind of expected to use real world common sense. If you're looking for say, sailors, you don't go asking fucking Nozomi about them. You go to a bar, late at night, asking about sailors. Shenmue works in a way other games don't. It operates on real world common sense, at least the puzzles, and that's why I really enjoy it.

Also, it does have puzzles. Finding Chen and the Warehouse? That is one huge puzzle. Finding the second mirror? You have to buy batteries, grab a flashlight (either at Tomato Convenience Store or find one in your house). Then you have to find the KEY to unlock the sword in the dojo. Use the sword in the slot in the door, then you use the flashlight to explore the basement, look around for new items to grab. How is that any different from Monkey Island, in any way? It's the same shit.

But more than that, all of this is expounded upon in its sequel. In the sequel, oh man. You have to find out four codes of conduct martial artists must hold. You only know, I don't know, TWO - and that's a maybe if you haven't encountered Jianmin practicing tai chi in the park - martial artists at the outset. Then you slowly uncover all of this fucking awesome shit - through, again, exploration and real world common sense. I don't understand how this isn't considered puzzles? It's no different to me than sailing from one island, changing Guybrush's Wanted poster and getting the map chick arrested in Monkey Island 2, except Shenmue's puzzles tend to be larger scale.

Shenmue's puzzles tend to be exploration-based - as in, how the hell do I find x to achieve y? Monkey Island and its derivatives tend to be logic-based, as in, I've got x so I'll try to use it to achieve y. This does not take away from the fact that they are puzzles.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 13, 2012, 09:59:33 PM
But unlike games that just fall flat and end up being dull, Shenmue 1 is dull...on PURPOSE.

 ::) bitch go to the park

You think a game where you actually go to work and stack crates isn't trying to be boring on purpose? That's the entire fucking point and an element that many games are lacking: embracing the mundane. That is the entire fucking point of Shenmue.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 13, 2012, 10:03:40 PM
God fucking damn am I in a mood to explore some Japanese harbor town and China. Fuck. Dreamcast, why have you forsaken me?
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on August 13, 2012, 10:18:30 PM
I dunno man. It depends on how you see it. When you talk to people you're kind of expected to use real world common sense. If you're looking for say, sailors, you don't go asking fucking Nozomi about them. You go to a bar, late at night, asking about sailors. Shenmue works in a way other games don't. It operates on real world common sense, at least the puzzles, and that's why I really enjoy it.

Also, it does have puzzles. Finding Chen and the Warehouse? That is one huge puzzle. Finding the second mirror? You have to buy batteries, grab a flashlight (either at Tomato Convenience Store or find one in your house). Then you have to find the KEY to unlock the sword in the dojo. Use the sword in the slot in the door, then you use the flashlight to explore the basement, look around for new items to grab. How is that any different from Monkey Island, in any way? It's the same shit.

But more than that, all of this is expounded upon in its sequel. In the sequel, oh man. You have to find out four codes of conduct martial artists must hold. You only know, I don't know, TWO - and that's a maybe if you haven't encountered Jianmin practicing tai chi in the park - martial artists at the outset. Then you slowly uncover all of this fucking awesome shit - through, again, exploration and real world common sense. I don't understand how this isn't considered puzzles? It's no different to me than sailing from one island, changing Guybrush's Wanted poster and getting the map chick arrested in Monkey Island 2, except Shenmue's puzzles tend to be larger scale.

Shenmue's puzzles tend to be exploration-based - as in, how the hell do I find x to achieve y? Monkey Island and its derivatives tend to be logic-based, as in, I've got x so I'll try to use it to achieve y. This does not take away from the fact that they are puzzles.
Well, I was careful to say 'barely'.  Also, please understand:  I'm not trying to marginalise Shemue by saying it doesn't comfortably fit into X existing category.  I don't like Shenmue, but not-fitting-comfortably-into-well-understood-paradigms is not a reason to shit on it.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 13, 2012, 10:23:05 PM
Shenmue rules, but I realize it's not for everyone. It even took me a while to warm up to it. So I don't have anything against anyone who says they don't like it, because I understand where they're coming from.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 14, 2012, 12:12:45 AM
(http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51I6xPDWmOL._SL500_300_.jpg)(http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51uAH46NqFL._SL500_300_.jpg)

:rock :rock :rock
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Momo on August 14, 2012, 01:22:21 AM
Buying the fuck out of that Yakuza
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Raban on August 14, 2012, 01:38:49 AM
IT'S TRUE THOUGH.

YOU KNOW HOW I SAID GAMES CAN'T BE ART BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE BORING GAMES?

Shenmue is case example number 1.

I think this is my favorite post of yours.

EDIT: Stop saying "games" and "art" in the same sentence though. Oscar kinda nailed this in the other thread where he pointed out how useless the word "art" is. People aren't ever going to agree on what the fuck that word even means, so don't use it.

What you could use instead is "affective", something with some science behind it. But your point is still right and succinct in a way I hadn't thought to put it before. There really is this notion that video games must be "fun" (another rather useless word) that prevent people from enjoying what could be meaningful experiences.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 01:58:41 AM
HEY!

Shut the fuck up about Yakuza!

Have they left Kamurocho yet?!
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 14, 2012, 02:03:09 AM
RGG5 takes place in Sapporo, Osaka, Nakoya, Fukuoka and Tokyo.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 02:10:02 AM
need to play RGG4
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Momo on August 14, 2012, 02:14:34 AM
By RGG3 you are already in Osaka
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Purple Filth on August 14, 2012, 02:16:04 AM
Finally an actual game that can be discussed in here.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 02:24:34 AM
You've never played Shenmue OR Yakuza, have you, PF?
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Purple Filth on August 14, 2012, 03:18:48 AM
You've never played Shenmue OR Yakuza, have you, PF?

Played Shenmue for a bit (wasn't my cup of tea at all)

Watched Shenmue 2

Watched Yakuza
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 14, 2012, 03:23:16 AM
RGG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shenmue.

And I played Shenmue 1 and 2.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: pilonv1 on August 14, 2012, 03:25:21 AM
(http://i.minus.com/id3j0yI0t3cwD.png)

:teehee
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: cool breeze on August 14, 2012, 03:25:38 AM
What are the chances Yakuza 5 will be released in English?

edit: lol someone on gaf said Sleeping Dogs has references to Yakuza and Shenmue and stuff.  I'd wear Kazuma's boss outfit if it's there.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 03:41:45 AM
TOLD YOU.

SLEEPING DOGS IS SHENMUE 3
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: pilonv1 on August 14, 2012, 03:50:29 AM
TOLD YOU.

SLEEPING DOGS IS SHENMUE 3

I'm yet to see him feed a kitten
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 03:52:55 AM
But he's in China, doing awesome shit. That's all I need. :hyper

If he goes on a martial arts journey where he punches trees until leaves fall, and is required to catch three leaves falling from a tree in a row as a test of patience, it will be even better!  :-*
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: bork on August 14, 2012, 08:12:39 AM
But unlike games that just fall flat and end up being dull, Shenmue 1 is dull...on PURPOSE.

:wtf
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: pilonv1 on August 14, 2012, 08:13:48 AM
Himu is just a parody of himself now
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: archie4208 on August 14, 2012, 08:17:30 AM
so you're saying chinese and japanese all look the same to you, eh himu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3cbKKf37Mg
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Raban on August 14, 2012, 01:29:08 PM
img
:teehee

+1 copy sold
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 02:22:59 PM
But unlike games that just fall flat and end up being dull, Shenmue 1 is dull...on PURPOSE.

:wtf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0LAiNAYssY
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: bork on August 14, 2012, 02:27:44 PM
Himu: "Shen Mue 1 is dull...on purpose!  To prove my point, here's footage from Shen Mue II." 

:wtf
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 02:35:39 PM
Himu: "Shen Mue 1 is dull...on purpose!  To prove my point, here's footage from Shen Mue II." 

:wtf

Are you stupid? Shenmue II has more action than Shenmue 1, but it still operates on similar principles.

In Shenmue I you go to work, every day, on disc 3. You get on a fork lift, pick up crates from 8 am to 12 pm, have a lunch break where you beat up dudes, then you go back to THE GRIND at 1pm and work until 5 pm.

In Shenmue II, immediately at the beginning of the game, you wake up, go to the docks at 8 am, and they have you picking up crates for an hour.

Later, in order to progress the story because MARTIAL ARTISTS NEED PATIENCE and "you need more kung fu, Ryo!" you take out books and air them from 9 am to 12 pm,  EVERY DAY, until you advance the story and leave Xiuying's apartment.

Even later in Shenmue II, you are tasked with a martial arts test: catch a leaf from the tree. You can't continue the game until you do. After that, you are forced to catch three leaves in a row.

Please tell me a counter-argument that suggests this is a game that is not trying to be as mundane as possible on purpose to immerse the player into its world.

Then I will stop treating you like you are an idiot.

"It's boring!" No fucking shit. That's the entire point, dumb fuck. When I brought up Shenmue 1 being dull, I mostly meant it's slow, plodding, and nothing ever happens. Shenmue II? Even if there are slow parts, there's still parts where you're being chased by a Chinese transsexual with a chainsaw. In comparison, Shenmue 1 is nothing BUT slow, which is hard to explain if you have not played either game.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: FatalT on August 14, 2012, 03:18:34 PM
Shenmue was boring. I only liked it when it came out because it was a new type of game. Rose-tinted glasses.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Positive Touch on August 14, 2012, 04:13:34 PM
this is HoF-level embarrassment right here folks
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 14, 2012, 04:14:24 PM
Shenmue was the inspiration for my approach to starting new threads. I tried to make them shorter, though.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 14, 2012, 05:03:26 PM
Shenmue was the inspiration for my approach to starting new threads. I tried to make them shorter, though.

Also there's less cat petting.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 14, 2012, 05:06:49 PM
I think we all know the real reason Himu-chan lurves him some Shenmue

(http://www.destructoid.com/elephant/ul/99361-shenmue.jpg)
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 05:12:16 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/pJcY1.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/1Onhs.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ZBnM0.jpg)
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 05:13:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpagb3iKNNM
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: bork on August 14, 2012, 05:35:07 PM
But unlike games that just fall flat and end up being dull, Shenmue 1 is dull...on PURPOSE.

:wtf

Shenmue II Part 16 Working With Books Again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0LAiNAYssY

Are you stupid? Shenmue II has more action than Shenmue 1, but it still operates on similar principles.

Himu has completely lost it and is now replying to himself!
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Tasty on August 14, 2012, 06:14:31 PM
Title change. :'(

I feel for you Himumumu. Both our spirits have been crushed by Gamescom.  :bawl

That said, Animal Crossing is Shenmue Done Right™.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 14, 2012, 06:16:48 PM
Stop comparing Yakuza to Shenmue.

Why not? I mean, Yakuza is obviously Sega's attempt to expand and improve on the failed Shenmue series.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 06:16:59 PM
Shut the fuck up Andrex.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 06:18:25 PM
Stop comparing Yakuza to Shenmue.

Why not? I mean, Yakuza is obviously Sega's attempt to expand and improve on the failed Shenmue series.

They play nothing alike and are not even remotely similar besides (the first one at least) taking place in Japan and having a semi-"open" world.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - get pumped for Shenmue 1/2 HD
Post by: bork on August 14, 2012, 06:19:07 PM
Stop comparing Yakuza to Shenmue.

Why not? I mean, Yakuza is obviously Sega's attempt to expand and improve on the failed Shenmue series.

Yup.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 06:21:18 PM
But Shenmue and Yakuza hit completely different spots. I love both and for different reasons. Comparing the two and saying Yakuza is an improvement on Shenmue proves either three things: a. you are trolling, b. you have not played both games at length, or c. baka.

But more than that, more people have played Shenmue in the west than Yakuza.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 06:22:10 PM
Also, I like how lyte edge goes into some stupid semantic argument i don't give a fuck about
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 14, 2012, 06:22:56 PM
Animal Crossing *is* a better game than Shenmue.  And Animal Crossing is a piece of shit.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Tasty on August 14, 2012, 06:23:39 PM
Shut the fuck up Andrex.

:( Just tryin' to empathize with a brotha.

Animal Crossing *is* a better game than Shenmue.  And Animal Crossing is a piece of shit.

Yeah! Hey, wait...
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 06:25:10 PM
Haha, I am looking forward to Animal Crossing 3ds. But it will never come out. When it does, I will add you to my friends list and we can trade fabrics like homos, Andy-kun.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: bork on August 14, 2012, 06:28:17 PM
Animal Crossing *is* a better game than Shenmue.  And Animal Crossing is a piece of shit.

I dunno...Shen Mue has what...Afterburner, Hang-On, and Space Harrier?  Animal Crossing does have Punch-Out!! and Balloon Fight though, so maybe it still wins.

Also, I like how lyte edge goes into some stupid semantic argument i don't give a fuck about

Also, I like how you respond with the above after posting this block of text that nobody read:

Himu: "Shen Mue 1 is dull...on purpose!  To prove my point, here's footage from Shen Mue II." 

:wtf

Are you stupid? Shenmue II has more action than Shenmue 1, but it still operates on similar principles.

In Shenmue I you go to work, every day, on disc 3. You get on a fork lift, pick up crates from 8 am to 12 pm, have a lunch break where you beat up dudes, then you go back to THE GRIND at 1pm and work until 5 pm.

In Shenmue II, immediately at the beginning of the game, you wake up, go to the docks at 8 am, and they have you picking up crates for an hour.

Later, in order to progress the story because MARTIAL ARTISTS NEED PATIENCE and "you need more kung fu, Ryo!" you take out books and air them from 9 am to 12 pm,  EVERY DAY, until you advance the story and leave Xiuying's apartment.

Even later in Shenmue II, you are tasked with a martial arts test: catch a leaf from the tree. You can't continue the game until you do. After that, you are forced to catch three leaves in a row.

Please tell me a counter-argument that suggests this is a game that is not trying to be as mundane as possible on purpose to immerse the player into its world.

Then I will stop treating you like you are an idiot.

"It's boring!" No fucking shit. That's the entire point, dumb fuck. When I brought up Shenmue 1 being dull, I mostly meant it's slow, plodding, and nothing ever happens. Shenmue II? Even if there are slow parts, there's still parts where you're being chased by a Chinese transsexual with a chainsaw. In comparison, Shenmue 1 is nothing BUT slow, which is hard to explain if you have not played either game.

You're letting the inner-fanboy take over pretty badly in this thread, himu.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Tasty on August 14, 2012, 06:31:36 PM
Haha, I am looking forward to Animal Crossing 3ds. But it will never come out. When it does, I will add you to my friends list and we can trade fabrics like homos, Andy-kun.

I just want your fruit and rugs. I will pay like an old white guy in a country club for that shiz.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 06:32:34 PM
is it true you are a mayor in Animal Crossing 3ds? How does that work
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all one of us
Post by: bork on August 14, 2012, 06:33:31 PM
It really says a lot when a Shen Mue thread turns into an Animal Crossing discussion.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 06:35:19 PM
Yes it says that the only thing people can do when talking about it is troll, leaving fans of the games incapable of discussing it to the point that they'd rather change the subject.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: MCD on August 14, 2012, 06:35:34 PM
ITT: Nostalgia derp.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Tasty on August 14, 2012, 06:36:21 PM
is it true you are a mayor in Animal Crossing 3ds? How does that work

I assume you murder Tortimer and wear his shell. Nintendo be taking notes from S-A, yo.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 06:38:11 PM
I hope it doesn't have that gay city like animal crossing wii
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: bork on August 14, 2012, 06:39:01 PM
Yes it says that the only thing people can do when talking about it is troll, leaving fans of the games incapable of discussing it to the point that they'd rather change the subject.

You compare the game to Monkey Island but then say it shouldn't be compared to YAKUZA. 

You try to make some point about Shen Mue by posting footage of...Shen Mue II.

Then you go into mega-fanboy mode and of course the rest of the board swoops in to troll.

What actual discussion is going on here?  I just see posts saying that the game sucks and rants from the one guy on this board who somehow likes a game that he himself thinks is boring.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 06:42:53 PM
Almost all of my posts are rebuttals to idiotic claims and posts from people who clearly have not played Shenmue nor Yakuza. Shut the fuck up, Lyte Edge.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: bork on August 14, 2012, 06:45:27 PM
Almost all of my posts are rebuttals to idiotic claims and posts from people who clearly have not played Shenmue nor Yakuza. Shut the fuck up, Lyte Edge.

No, they're not.  There have been plenty of posts clearly to the contrary here.  You're all riled up and in fanboy mode.

Again: You compare SHEN MUE to MONKEY ISLAND, but then say it shouldn't be compared to YAKUZA.    :lol
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 07:16:32 PM
That's because Monkey Island and Shenmue actually play similarly, dude. :wtf Meanwhile, Yakuza and Shenmue have like...nothing in common except for setting, and even that's completely different.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Positive Touch on August 14, 2012, 08:31:02 PM
shenmue and yakuza are compared because they are both open-world martial arts games that take place in japan; the (obvious) difference is that shenmue focuses on the mundane while yakuza focuses on loads of action YOU FUCKING PUNK-ASS BITCH
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 09:03:54 PM
I still think it's dumb because Shenmue at least, takes a pretty rounded look at martial arts, particularly II. Yakuza is just "I'm going to smash your face against this wall" which is COOL. But it's the same way EVERY GAME EVER has handled martial arts, which is the physical aspect of it, and never the spiritual and mental aspect of it. So this clearly shows that the games offer completely different experiences. So when says that Yakuza is an improvement on what Shenmue did, it makes you look like a dumbass.

Maybe I think like this because I have played II whereas most people here have only played 1. So I consider Shenmue as a whole (I and II) and not just 1.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Positive Touch on August 14, 2012, 10:02:36 PM
im kicking you out of my ff8 fanclub
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 14, 2012, 11:06:44 PM
I still think it's dumb because Shenmue at least, takes a pretty rounded look at martial arts, particularly II. Yakuza is just "I'm going to smash your face against this wall" which is COOL. But it's the same way EVERY GAME EVER has handled martial arts, which is the physical aspect of it, and never the spiritual and mental aspect of it. So this clearly shows that the games offer completely different experiences. So when says that Yakuza is an improvement on what Shenmue did, it makes you look like a dumbass.

Maybe I think like this because I have played II whereas most people here have only played 1. So I consider Shenmue as a whole (I and II) and not just 1.

Or, maaaaaaybe 99.99% of the population finds a game attempting to explore that boring as dogshit and considers what Yakuza does an improvement, I mean I don't know it's tough to figure out but when faced with DOIN THANGS or CONTEMPLATIN THANGS in a video game whoo boy tough decision which is preferable
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 15, 2012, 12:46:38 AM
PD isn't wrong about Shenmue/Monkey Island.

Shenmue most closely resembles a traditional adventure game with the occasional QTE or fight, think Broken Sword with more, possibly way too much interactivity.  You collect information, talk to people (about sailors, fine), find your next objective, and move through the story at whatever pace you chose.

Yakuza is actually a lot like a Japanese RPG, heavily scripted, with a skill progression system that could come from any action-RPG.  Despite the openness of the cities you play in, there's a lot of linearity in how the story progresses, and the next objective is never in doubt.  Shenmue has information quests, Yakuza has fetch quests, this is a crucial difference.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 15, 2012, 12:53:39 AM
I AM NOT PD
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 15, 2012, 01:03:54 AM
well shit, sorry man.

with so many long timers here changing names every six months I get a little confused.  Sorry man
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who is dat?
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Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Momo on August 15, 2012, 01:08:41 AM
As a Shenmue and Sonic fan I should probably double kill myself
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 15, 2012, 01:10:10 AM
 :-[

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhlxtZClKGI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhom2inAhoM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLzlv8wgSuo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjEwSzmSNVo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqtkgzFeoww
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIPFttZPYME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQo64CUUvYo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vklgmdrxVwk

 :-[
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Momo on August 15, 2012, 01:10:23 AM
PD isn't wrong about Shenmue/Monkey Island.
Off Topic, Hyper are you a pole?
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 15, 2012, 01:17:42 AM
Hyperzone, as a fellow martial arts film connoisseur, you are required to play Shenmue II.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR6Y2MUaMSk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSXsnc14zmg
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 15, 2012, 01:18:43 AM
nope.  My intentionally vague user info states that I'm from Alaska, which I am.

I now reside in a large city in the Midwest, and I'm so dang Caucasian that I also enjoy NPR and the great taste of diet soda...

... as well as flawed but interesting experiments like Shenmue and the more conventional and polished efforts like Yakuza.  And I played the shit outta Shenmue, and have yet never owned an Xbox so I missed part II.  I even own a Xbox copy of Shenmue II (and Breakdown) that I've never played in anticipation of my inevitable but long delayed Xbox/360 ownership.

and thank you for recalling my excellent taste in film.  Speaking of which Private Eye (AKA Shadow Kill) (http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Private_Eye/70241157?trkid=4375097) just showed up on Netflix streaming.  Its not a martial arts movie, but a very well mounted period Korean mystery with some goofy elements and some very dark ones.  So, typically South Korean, but with some dang good production value.  Its ace, ya'all god see it naow.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 15, 2012, 01:38:37 AM
I'll check it out. Any good martial arts films show up on netflix streaming lately? I've seen about all the ones I care to see.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 15, 2012, 02:02:33 AM
I'm assuming that Tsui Hark's magnificently weird Detective Dee and the Phantom Flame has already been seen, because it really should be.  There's a shitload of lower profile 80's and 90's HK thrillers that have shown up, but nothing I've seen yet that makes me shout from the rooftops for them.

Yakuza Weapon sucks, but there's a five minute continuous take action scene that really is pretty awesome, the other 80 minutes or so I could do without.

and the soon to be big-time director Pou-Soi Cheang's (currently putting the finishing touches on a megabudget Journey to the West adaptation starring Donnie Yen) very good 70's style paranoid thriller Accident finally made its way to America, and its very good.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 15, 2012, 02:09:22 AM
Ahahahah Journey to the West starring Donnie Yen? Who is Donnie playing? Tripitaka?
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 15, 2012, 02:15:47 AM
I recently am catching up to martial arts films of 2011. I recently rented 13 Assassin's, Shaolin, and Bangkok Knockout. All of which ranged from average to good. I really liked 13 Assassin's though, but it wasn't anything stellar. Any suggestions on stuff I should I rent from netflix that are in the best film genre of all time (tm)?

A friend suggested Assassination Games? Seen it? It's on instant.

Speaking of Donnie Yen, I pirated Dragon, which was the bee's knees.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 15, 2012, 02:19:05 AM
the monkey king, as a monkey.

(http://www.flixist.com/ul/211150-interview-donnie-yen/donnie-yen-monkey-king-make-up-acting-noscale.jpg)

that will be one hundred million dollars well spent.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 15, 2012, 02:20:23 AM
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA DONNIE YEN IS SON WUKONG? AHAHAHA

I remember they have a Journey to the West tv series on tv now. I should check JiangHu to see if they're subbing it yet.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 15, 2012, 02:41:24 AM
Assasination Games is pretty meh, fucking seriously, go check out Universal Soldier: Regeneration.  Its one of the very best dirct to video action films ever made, and possibly the best film in the Van Damme cannon.

bests of all time are hard to quantify.  How about more specific bests, my favorite Korean movie is still Memories of Murder, which beat the American film Zodiac to the punch by a couple of years in the category of "Fucking Awesome Cop Movie About the Obsessive and Usually Fruitless Search for a Serial Killer Based on Real Life", with the added benefit of it being freaking hysterical, but once the bodies start to pile up things stop being quite so funny.  Its just an amazing film.

if you're really into crime thrillers, you owe it to yourself to check out the works of Johhny To, easily Hong Kong's most internationally renowned director going on right now.  His production company (Milkyway Image) has made all of his films and produced a number of excellent films not from him as well.  They have an exceptionally high batting average.  The aforementioned Accident is one of their joints, but To's work straddles so many genres besides just genre film it can be hard to find a place to start.  His duo of Election and Triad Election (Election 1 and 2) will give you a pretty good taste of his austere style, his dark sense of humor, and most every one of his familiar actors.  After that check out P.T.U. (a gangster movie about cops, basically) and The Mission and tell me that he's not just that awesome.

few of the things I've mentioned are really straight action films, for that you might as well see The Raid: Redemption, which is unlikely to be topped as the best example of such for this year.  The film from the same team that preceded it, Merantau, is nothing to sneeze at either.  But The Raid really is something special, bone splintering, machete ripping, bullet piercing special.

and this has been my way too long post about Asian genre films.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 15, 2012, 02:45:08 AM
I'm familiar with Election 1 and 2 and PTU. They're awesome. haven't seen The Mission.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 15, 2012, 02:58:52 AM
its fantastic, a bit slow paced though.  The dvd Netflix sent me quite some time ago had horrid video quality, but that's the price one pays sometimes for legit viewership.

Johnny To's other excellent films Exiled and Venegence are kinda-but-not-really sequels to The Mission and are also rather excellent.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 15, 2012, 03:48:36 AM
What modern game evolutions? Grand Theft Auto? LOL. You're comparing Shenmue to modern games when Shenmue is completely different from these other games you are comparing it to.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 15, 2012, 10:48:03 AM
Exactly.

The controls aren't really crappy, though. They work. I find the controls relaxing for the most part. I just hold left trigger to run, and when I want to turn, hold/press left or right. This means I can play the game left-handed, and unless I want to talk to someone, that's pretty much fine. I like that and think it helps the game feel even more relaxing than it already is. Of course, another improvement Shenmue II made were better controls: option to control Ryo with analog stick.

One addition made in Shenmue II is the dialogue window. Depending on the subject: Martial artists, Wulinshu, Lishao Tao, Yan Ting Apartments;etc. you could ask anyone about these subjects. On top of that, I wish you could just chat about ordinary day stuff with people in II, but that goes against the games vibe since you're a foreigner and not in the cuddly nook of Yokosuka, so it's clearly intentional. Still a dialogue window like in II could improve Shenmue 1's interactivity. Of course, II has LESS interactivity than 1: no rotary phones, for example, and you can't just pick up anything you see.

I wish the games were more of a life sim, as well. I wish there were a reason for those restaurants in I and II beyond trying to get information. I wish Ryo had a hunger, fatigue, fun, and social bar. Much like the Sims. When he's hungry, he has to eat; if he's tired - from kumite with Fuku or practicing moves in the parking lot - will cause him to get fatigued, which will make certain basic things like playing darts for instance harder to do; a fun bar, which would require him to energize his mood a bit from a game of darts with someone or something; and a social bar which is self explanatory. In Shenmue II, I wish you could get kicked out of the hotel for not managing to pay off your debts, and then sleep in the streets of Hong Kong and get mugged.

In Shenmue 1, there's an npc called Miki. She always asks Ryo if he wants to do something. I kinda wish you actually could, and challenge her to a dart game and kick her ass. It's small things like that which II really improves on to make the world feel a lot more alive, though it's still not ideal.

Seems to me, the main games Shenmue 1 can learn the most from is the Shenmue series itself, with a helping of other games like The Sims. If they do make an HD version, all they'd need to do is add an option to control Ryo with analog stick - which is easy since it's already in II - and the option to wait for appointments like in II.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 16, 2012, 12:25:04 AM
Bullshit.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: The Sceneman on August 16, 2012, 03:54:58 AM
80's synth rock still owns  ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZKpByV5764
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 16, 2012, 01:06:51 PM
Shenmue is not an early 3d game. Also, all you do in Shenmue is talk to people and investigate crap. So none of the problems that plague early 3d games are present.

Early 3d game problems:

- controls (while Shenmue has weird controls that take getting used to, once you do they are fine, and it's not like you need reflexes in Shenmue anyways, so it doesn't even matter)
- camera (shenmue's camera is third person and you have no reason at all to move a camera. You investigate crap in first person).
- graphics (shenmue's graphics are still pretty good and the detail is still impressive)

None of these problems are these Shenmue has. Shenmue's problem, particularly 1's, is tepid pacing. So when Wrath says that "modern games are better" all it tells me is that Wrath now has bad ADD and can't handle the slower pace of Shenmue compared to faster, modern games. Either that, or he can't wrap his head around the controls. (hint: in tight space uses d-pad; everywhere else, hold L to run, tap left/right to turn around corners).

I don't think I have to remind you why it is idiotic to compare an early 3d platformer that came out in 1998 to a 3d adventure game that came out in 2000 and its sequel that came out in 2001. You might as well compare Syphon Filter to a psx jrpg. Either way, your argument is inane, stupid, and reeks of ignorance.
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Post by: Himu on August 16, 2012, 01:19:30 PM
Also, the nostalgia argument.

I played Shenmue 1 for the first time in 2006.

I played it three times in a row while waiting for my imported Shenmue II to get here. lol "Hasn't aged well" argument is really cute. Adorable even. Suck my dick.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 16, 2012, 01:59:20 PM
smh, Himu's not even a real Shenmue fan, he's a "born again" fan.

I played Shenmue 1 for the third time in 2005. I realized the game really wasn't that good anymore, and ended up selling my imported DC copy of Shenmue II not too long after that.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Positive Touch on August 16, 2012, 04:49:01 PM
himu incinerated by og sega fans
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 16, 2012, 05:00:09 PM
I think the main problem is that himumu just likes shitty games.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 17, 2012, 01:01:57 AM
Played some Shenmue 1 tonight. And by "some" basically all of disc 2 in one session and now I'm on disc 3. My Dreamcast decided to stop giving me the finger so I could continue the game I started earlier this summer but couldn't continue. Felt good, man. 8) Relaxing game is relaxing game. On any one day, it and its sequel are my favorite games to play.

:bow
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 17, 2012, 01:07:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0SmPIyo-h8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRq0LGMxfWg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly6qB2IFpCE

:bow
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 17, 2012, 01:09:03 AM
If I had a son, I would rather him be gay or transgender than like Shenmue.  Because that's just poor taste, which is sad.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 17, 2012, 01:25:26 AM
smh, Himu's not even a real Shenmue fan, he's a "born again" fan.

I played Shenmue 1 for the third time in 2005. I realized the game really wasn't that good anymore, and ended up selling my imported DC copy of Shenmue II not too long after that.

For being a real Shenmue fan, I bet you haven't even done the Mr. Yukawa easter egg. Punk bitch.

Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 17, 2012, 01:30:22 AM
If I had a son, I would rather him be gay or transgender than like Shenmue.  Because that's just poor taste, which is sad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0Izd2f6k2I

:bow

The greatest game of all time. Your son would have excellent taste.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 17, 2012, 03:14:54 AM
Eh, pacing is less of an issue when you know what to do. The first time you play Shenmue is always the worst time, but as you replay it and grow to know the games intricacies, every characters past and occupation, it's less of a problem. For instance, a first time Shenmue player, when tasked with finding what happened with the black car at the beginning of the game, will ask every single npc, knock on every single door to get that information. That's sure as well what I did when I first played it. But when I replayed it, I got the information I needed in only a few minutes. The open-ended design also lends to this to improving pacing on replays since there are numerous ways to find out information. For instance, at the beginning you have to find out about Chinese people. Instead of going to Liu Barber shop, sometimes I go to Manpukuken Ramen to push the story forward. The enjoyable thing about Shenmue 1 is the fact that there is usually, 2, 3, even 4 ways to progress the plot all of which with their varying lengths.

I like the slow pacing as it contrasts to Shenmue II and makes the two games resonate more powerfully for me. I wouldn't enjoy Shenmue II's more deliberately fast-pace, action-packed sequences and introspection without going through Shenmue 1's more local, methodological pacing.

Of course, this is dependent on what you mean by pacing. If you're talking about the slow parts, like finding a way to contact or get into the Warehouse 8 or working full time every day on disc 3, then you have a problem with the game itself, and not so much with its pacing.

The shitty voice acting, you've got a point on, but I find the English dub endearing due to its camp. I wish I could play it with Japanese voice acting, though. That really improved Shenmue II DC's experience, and that was in China and not in Japan. The bad controls you cite, are again, something you adjust to. The lack of plot resolution? Do you mean the series in general or Shenmue 1's ending in particular?

I disagree and think Shenmue 1 is an 9.0 game, flaws and all. Meanwhile, I'd say Shenmue II is one of the few games I'd consider a 10. I think that Shenmue succeeded in everything it set out to do.

There is no way we can change each others opinion on this, as this is prime example of love it or hate it; there is no middle ground.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on August 17, 2012, 03:17:32 AM
This all sounds suspiciously similar to "it really starts getting good 40 hours into the game"

I think the .05% of the gaming population that loves shenmue will just have to be content with being viewed as dick punching masochists by the rest of us
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 17, 2012, 03:20:31 AM
Naw, it's just a game that improves on replays and acquired knowledge. If you don't love the game by the end of the first playthrough, then it's not for you and there's no point in trying to argue it because you gave it your all to try to "get it" and failed. That's cool. But a lot of Shenmue players enjoy replaying the game and doing different things, which increases their already acquired love for the game.
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Post by: Sho Nuff on August 17, 2012, 03:24:19 AM
I love Shenmue in the same way I love any bugfuck crazy Japanese product where they throw insane amounts of money at it and have a total lunatic at the helm, risking the entire company's existence on its success (also see Akira and Final Fantasy VII)
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 17, 2012, 04:22:25 AM
I realize all the hype about Shenmue. A friend in High School would go on and on about the game in 9th grade when I was too busy playing Final Fantasy IX. I knew it was the most expensive game ever, I knew about the hype, I spoiled the story by reading the EGM walkthrough when it came out, the Shenmue II EGM review steered me away from trying out the games for years. So I knew its reputation and what it was supposed to be. But I still really worked for me, even though the initial few hours really confused me, I saw a lot of potential and kept with it.

If there's one sad thing about Shenmue, it's the fact that the are zero games that emulate it. I know people bring up Yakuza and stuff, and I love Yakuza, but it's nothing like Shenmue. A lot of games have used Shenmue for inspiration, but there is still only one Shenmue - and its sequel! - in the entire wide span of gaming titles. I'd like to play a relaxing adventure-esque game with a ridiculous twinge of realism, and emphasis on the mundane, small things of life that gaming rarely, if ever, uses as a subject piece. Maybe I'm being to forgiving to Shenmue because it's so unique and I generally give a pass to unique gaming experience, but I don't think so. Still, I think that games limit their full potential, and to experience the full extent that gaming offers as a medium, I think more Shenmue-like games would be a good thing. Maybe not with a 100 million dollar budget, but shit, I want something, anything. And don't you dare mention Heavy Rain or some clap trap. It doesn't even have to be Shenmue, just something like it.
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Post by: Himu on August 17, 2012, 04:30:39 AM
RE: Shenmue and boring. Let me explain something. I know that doing the actual tasks of picking up crates with a forklift, moving boxes at a Hong Kong harbor, and even airing out piles of books is boring. But I still have a lot of fun doing it. It's hard to explain. The actual description, in long term, is horrendously boring for a video game. Here we have a medium where you can knock a walking marionette in the air and shoot him a billion times. Then we have Shenmue, a game where you're doing dull real life work. But when I actually play it, kicking back with my shoes off, sucking on the end of a beer bottle...I can only think of good memories. I should be bored doing it, but I'm not.

I think it's because there is a "game" within every task you try achieve in a video game. So while I'm driving that forklift, I make a goal that I will stack x amount of crates before lunch hour, or that I'm going to air these books out as possible to see if I can do it. The only thing missing for me is an actual score, if that makes any sense.

So when I say Shenmue is boring, I don't mean, literally. Well, for me it isn't. I mean that it handles real life tasks that everyone does - working for one - like you would in real life. That's pretty fucking boring for a video game, going to a full time job every day except on off days. But when I'm doing it I'm having the time of my life and yet I can TOTALLY understand where someone is coming from if they don't feel the same way.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 17, 2012, 04:39:32 AM
Ah. I didn't know it was supposed to save them. I was riding ps2 hype and obsessed with Final Fantasy. My friends and I just made the dreamcast the fighting game box.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 18, 2012, 09:23:51 AM
Prior to its release, Shenmue was supposed to be _the_ game.  There was a lot of hype around Yu Suzuki, the fact that it had a $70 million budget, that it was supposed to be this huge game that would shut the haters up once and for all that the Dreamcast could stand toe to toe with the PS2 (Test Drive Le Mans was another game that was supposed to do the same; this of course required that you'd ignore Gran Turismo 2000/3).

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Post by: Momo on August 18, 2012, 10:24:09 AM
FREE :'(
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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 18, 2012, 11:49:23 AM
FREE :'(

Also QTE's. I mean, we had them before then, but we didn't know what they were called.
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Post by: Purple Filth on August 18, 2012, 12:20:10 PM
The first time i saw the QTE stuff in the game i thought it was fucking awesome but now..... :maf
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2012, 02:26:55 AM
Shenmue 1 disc 3 hates my dreamcast and it freezes when I load up a save in Ryo's room.

So I booted up Shenmue II DC. I luckily had a save file on disc 2 right where I stopped on Xbox a few days ago.

Did this part.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2y7CXqswkM

:rock :rock :rock

My favorite game :bow
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Post by: bork on August 19, 2012, 10:51:19 AM
Prior to its release, Shenmue was supposed to be _the_ game.  There was a lot of hype around Yu Suzuki, the fact that it had a $70 million budget, that it was supposed to be this huge game that would shut the haters up once and for all that the Dreamcast could stand toe to toe with the PS2

 ??? Shen Mue came out in Japan months before the PS2 had even been released.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 19, 2012, 12:35:21 PM
Prior to its release, Shenmue was supposed to be _the_ game.  There was a lot of hype around Yu Suzuki, the fact that it had a $70 million budget, that it was supposed to be this huge game that would shut the haters up once and for all that the Dreamcast could stand toe to toe with the PS2

 ??? Shen Mue came out in Japan months before the PS2 had even been released.

Shenmue came out 2 months earlier in Japan than the PS2, one month later in America.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 19, 2012, 01:45:13 PM
Prior to its release, Shenmue was supposed to be _the_ game.  There was a lot of hype around Yu Suzuki, the fact that it had a $70 million budget, that it was supposed to be this huge game that would shut the haters up once and for all that the Dreamcast could stand toe to toe with the PS2

 ??? Shen Mue came out in Japan months before the PS2 had even been released.

Yeah, but PS2 hype was running wild back then.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: bork on August 19, 2012, 02:24:23 PM
Prior to its release, Shenmue was supposed to be _the_ game.  There was a lot of hype around Yu Suzuki, the fact that it had a $70 million budget, that it was supposed to be this huge game that would shut the haters up once and for all that the Dreamcast could stand toe to toe with the PS2

 ??? Shen Mue came out in Japan months before the PS2 had even been released.

Shenmue came out 2 months earlier in Japan than the PS2, one month later in America.

Shen Mue came out in November, 1999.  The PS2 launched in April 2000.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 19, 2012, 02:40:29 PM
December 29, 1999 and March 4, 2000. Which is essentially two months.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Trent Dole on August 19, 2012, 03:28:36 PM
haha that's awesome.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2012, 03:36:32 PM
Cry More HIMUMUMUMU!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDdgKAf6f6U

:rofl
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2012, 03:37:32 PM
If you want an example of games evolving past Shenmue within the same style, I would say the city parts in the last Deus Ex are a good example.

 :-X :-X :-X :-X

Lifeless cities with the same npcs with the same voice actors is an improvement on Shenmue? :rofl

In Shenmue 1, every single npc has a backstory, a history, and a name. And you think Deus Ex: HR's boring ass stank overworld is an improvement on not only Shenmue 1 but also 2? :rofl

DX:HR? The same style? :rofl

Your post is adorable. For example, you didn't specify in any way how modern games have improved upon Shenmue in previous posts. You just said,"modern games do it better" like anyone knows what you're talking about. Oscar is the one who made the argument that the controls aren't good, that it has pacing issues, and a bad dub. How are Shenmue's mechanics outdated? You can argue the controls, and the voice acting for the English dub is atrocious, but the Japanese dub for II is fine, and looking at Japanese vids for 1 show the voice acting for that game is fine as well. But outdated mechanics? What do you mean by mechanics? Do you mean talking to people? Or the fights? I think the fighting system is better than any GTA fighting system. So if you're going to make an argument, how about you fill in the blanks instead of assuming anyone knows what you're talking about.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 19, 2012, 03:47:37 PM
Cry More HIMUMUMUMU!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDdgKAf6f6U

:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2012, 03:54:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4IXbDwuKT0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vh7oe7HEcY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYOfvfAukVw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkYQnNIjVtU
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2012, 04:06:16 PM
Wrath: why should I cry more? Why would I cry because of a funny parody video? Do you think I'm one of those Shenmue fans who wants Shenmue III? Wrong. I do not give a fuck about III.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: bork on August 19, 2012, 04:13:17 PM
December 29, 1999 and March 4, 2000. Which is essentially two months.

Gah, I am not doing well with dates today. 

Still doesn't matter- PS2 had nothing remotely like Shen Mue at its launch.  I don't remember anyone calling it a "Playstation 2 killer" and the "Dreamcast savior" either--  like Joe said, the PS2 hype was so huge that the DC had already "died" in 2000.  I worked at a game shop back then (going to multiple locations) and never saw so many people just brush one system aside for another.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2012, 04:22:17 PM
Yes. I liked Dreamcast and its fighting games and Sonic Adventure (surprisingly, at the time), but the majority of my friend circle was excited for ps2. Only one or two were excited about Shenmue. Everyone else was excited about fucking Tekken Tag Tournament and those Metal Gear Solid 2 pics. No one gave one shit about dreamcast aside from Mups, who was playing Phantasy Star Online.

Final Fantasy IX came out in 2000, and psx had an amazing summer in 2000. By 2001, no one cared about Dreamcast.

It's a shame, because growing up on Sega, I would have bought one in a heartbeat if Sega hadn't fucked up Saturn. Looked like I was right too, with Dreamcast only last two years before it was killed. Between Saturn, 32x, Nomad;etc. I had grown used to Sega hardware just flat out failing and being killed too soon, even as a snot-nosed kid. Fool me once;etc.

In hindsight, it was foolish to put Jet Set Radio Future, Panzer Dragoon Orta, and Shenmue II on Xbox. They should have gone to ps2.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: bork on August 19, 2012, 04:32:13 PM
On the flip side of that, I played the shit out of my Dreamcast until it was completely dead in 2001...it had a shitty (Japanese) launch, but things started getting a bit better by Spring 1999.  The PS2 in comparison was awful for most of its first year (again, going by the Japanese release).  It had next to nothing worth playing and i used it mainly for PSOne games.  I think the first PS2 I really went crazy for was SSX, then Onimusha in early 2000.  I still liked the DC way, way more than the PS2 during 2000, too.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2012, 04:35:55 PM
Ps2 sucked in its first year, but psx was still kicking if only by a thread. When Onimusha dropped, I started to get mad jelly and my friend would bring his over. But by fall 2001, ps2 was amazing. I got one for Christmas. So really, that's just a slow year and we Sony fans had the psx to keep us tethered to the Sony base. I still really liked Dreamcast any time I played one, though.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 19, 2012, 04:38:27 PM
http://www.goodcowfilms.com/farm/basement/ga-archive/sega-dc-sales-03-04-2003.htm

I've posted this before but here's a thread with NPD data for Dreamcast sales.  The Dreamcast, hardware and software, sold like crap, especially after 1999.

Oh and Shenmue wasn't hyped as a PS2 killer, it was supposed to be the game that would shut the critics up who said that the Dreamcast could never touch PlayStation 2.  It was supposed to be the game that proved Sega and the Dreamcast could hold its own against the PS2.

As a poor kid, I had a lot of fun with the Dreamcast post cancellation when every retailer was dumping their Dreamcast wares for little or nothing.  Then my Dreamcast crapped out early 2002, I said "fuck it" and got a PS2.  The Dreamcast was the last console to really get me hyped up.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2012, 04:49:01 PM
The ps2 was my most hyped console. Probably the last in that manner, at least.

In fact, I was really angry at Sony for fucking PS3 because I really wanted it to work out. 360 I was looking forward to, but not ps2-level of hype. Wii had me hyped, but mostly out of interest because it was something new.

It really sucks that those days are over. I'm not looking forward to ps4 or 720 at all and don't give a fuck about WiiU. Meanwhile, back before ps2 dropped I followed every piece of news like a hawk and marveled at every new screen shot.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: bork on August 19, 2012, 05:00:03 PM
I have no hype for Wii U because I a) don't care about tablet controls and b) already own a PS3 and 360.  There's nothing to get hyped up over for the actual next-gen consoles yet anyway.

Oh and Shenmue wasn't hyped as a PS2 killer, it was supposed to be the game that would shut the critics up who said that the Dreamcast could never touch PlayStation 2.  It was supposed to be the game that proved Sega and the Dreamcast could hold its own against the PS2.

 ??? But plenty of games already did that.  I remember the big one was comparing Soul Calibur to Tekken Tag Tournament.  SC looked and animated better (which really has nothing to do with the hardware so much as it did SC just being a better-animated game), plus the Dc had the visual advantage with the VGA box.  Nice n' clean.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2012, 05:22:09 PM
Back to Mue.

From the Dojo, Shenmue in 1080p:

(http://i.imgur.com/e6i2a.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/UNkzX.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/AtWBS.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/lxMV8.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/8SfCW.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/q5imp.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/MwUrn.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/FtwC9.jpg)



Certain textures don't look too hot but other than that...I like it.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 19, 2012, 05:45:18 PM
That looks gross, Himu. And Ryo looks like he's 7 feet tall. :lol
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2012, 05:52:35 PM
It's the higher res, I think. Ryo is actually about the same height as the soda machine in standard res. I wouldn't say it looks gross. Some of the textures are really blah though. The guilin shot is awesome.
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Positive Touch on August 19, 2012, 06:13:44 PM
i forgot why this thread was created, and when i went back and checked i relived many lols

Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 20, 2012, 07:25:29 PM
yeah ... most old 3D games kinda need the lower res to obscure how simple the models & textures are. though there are some games that have extra detail that's lost on lower res and benefit from being uprezzed (FF9, FF12).
Title: Re: SHENMUE FANS - let's kill ourselves, all five of us
Post by: Himu on August 20, 2012, 07:52:15 PM
Eh, I think Shenmue Passport models are amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mGY8mIcdGA

And Shenmue 1+2 look great uprezzed. Certainly better than the FF9.