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Title: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: lordmaji on October 02, 2012, 11:43:50 AM
Personally I feel like they really no longer protect and serve, it seems they are mostly busy harassing and douching. I don't get it, when did pigs go from protecting and serving to acting as if they have small dick syndrome? Maybe it should be requirement to specific size wang to join the police force, so therefore you wont have too many "my dick is small, so I gotta act as if I'm the greatest shit on the planet and you should obey me".

Fuck that, I hate pigs, they haven't done me any real favors. How about ya'll opinions?
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 02, 2012, 11:47:03 AM
Maybe you should stop breaking the law
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 02, 2012, 11:52:33 AM
I don't get it, when did pigs go from protecting and serving to acting as if they have small dick syndrome?

Back when Ugg first invented the wheel, and Officer Oog stopped and asked him if he knew how fast he was going.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 02, 2012, 11:53:08 AM
Its a thankless job made even more thankless by broad generalizations created by the public regarding their integrity. Most of them are just doing their job- one that frequently requires possibly dying for someone they don't even know. Just like any system made up of people- there will be those that abuse their position- but letting those few contribute meaningfully to some larger opinion about law enforcement is kinda' simple.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: archnemesis on October 02, 2012, 11:54:10 AM
I have no strong feelings either way. Some cops are good, others not so good.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Diunx on October 02, 2012, 12:01:07 PM
Hate them.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: tiesto on October 02, 2012, 12:05:52 PM
Where I live (Suffolk county) cops are the highest paid in the country, in a county with minimal crime beyond disaffected upper-middle-class white kids shooting heroin and with some of the highest tax rates around. Not to mention, cops here almost always act like complete douches, one of my neighbors is a copper, he looks and acts like the most stereotypical dudebro you can imagine.

Unfortunately, nothing is gonna change any time soon because of all the racist white people around here (we are also one of the most segregated areas in the US...), they see a few more Hispanics immigrating to the area lately and want even more cops patrolling the streets.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: lordmaji on October 02, 2012, 12:06:12 PM
Maybe you should stop breaking the law

 :lol I expected this... This isn't the case.  :yuck
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Tasty on October 02, 2012, 12:41:52 PM
I have no strong feelings either way. Some cops are good, others not so good.

Yup.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Himu on October 02, 2012, 12:43:04 PM
Scare the shit out of me but see them as a valuable public servant.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: demi on October 02, 2012, 01:01:11 PM
I think small dicks are cute and most cops are chubby and oh god I'm hard again
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 02, 2012, 01:09:53 PM
Maybe you should stop breaking the law

 :lol I expected this... This isn't the case.  :yuck

Then what is the case? Typically people don't feel this strongly unless something personal happens to them.

I have no beef with cops, the majority are doing a good job that is often thankless due to those who fuck it up for the rest. The ones that patrol my neighborhood are awesome and show up immediately whenever I've called.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 02, 2012, 01:16:13 PM
I think the profession naturally attracts people who were asshole bullies as children and teenagers.  The problem really isn't so much the JOB as the people doing it.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: brob on October 02, 2012, 01:24:26 PM
here we don't have enough cops. the cops we do have are all tied up with paper work. the police academy accept a very low number of people because the budget for police is ass, but even still there are always more graduates than available positions. Hopefully following the bomb/shooting last summer the police budget will get a good boost, though it will probably be ear-marked for anti-terrorism or buying more helicopters or some bullshit that will have little effect in the grand scheme.

On a more personal level though, I tend to avoid police because they usually end up trying to poop on me.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Brehvolution on October 02, 2012, 01:41:04 PM
boogie stahp
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Momo on October 02, 2012, 01:44:15 PM
fak u bougee why u arst me?
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 02, 2012, 01:45:53 PM
There are a lot of people of deserve to be shot or at least tasered.  This can only be done efficiently though an organization, therefor the police are necessary and by shooting people they make my life indirectly better.  I like 'em.     


Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: lordmaji on October 02, 2012, 02:40:59 PM
Maybe you should stop breaking the law

 :lol I expected this... This isn't the case.  :yuck

Then what is the case? Typically people don't feel this strongly unless something personal happens to them.

I have no beef with cops, the majority are doing a good job that is often thankless due to those who fuck it up for the rest. The ones that patrol my neighborhood are awesome and show up immediately whenever I've called.

Because any time I'm harassed it's over really dumb shit, or they talk to you as if you're inferior and as if you did something.

Example; I was checking my tires the other day and writing down the size, numbers, etc and one rolls by asking me why am I looking at the car and what am I doing as if I was doing something wrong... All I could think to myself was *uhhh piss off dude* I'm scoping out my car to have my tires replaced *as if it's any of your fucking business. You're just some overweight busy body douche w/ an ego, nothing more.*

It's a common trend, that's just the more recent one.  :lol
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 02, 2012, 02:44:00 PM
Cop: Hey, why are you checking out that car?

lordmaji: This is my car and I'm going to have a tire replaced.

Cop: Okay.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: lordmaji on October 02, 2012, 02:50:30 PM
*edited*
Cop: Hey, why are you checking out that car?

lordmaji: This is my car and I'm going to have a tire replaced.

Cop: ...Yeah right...

meh, vocal inflections pissed me off.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Atramental on October 02, 2012, 02:52:06 PM
Cops haven't been a problem for me.

Yet. >_>
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Eric P on October 02, 2012, 03:30:29 PM
1312
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Barry Egan on October 02, 2012, 03:45:21 PM
*edited*
Cop: Hey, why are you checking out that car?

lordmaji: This is my car and I'm going to have a tire replaced.

Cop: ...Yeah right...

meh, vocal inflections pissed me off.

Kind of sounds like nothing happened  ???
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 02, 2012, 03:49:31 PM
vocal inflections happened
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: lordmaji on October 02, 2012, 05:00:19 PM
vocal inflections happened

Yeah! No one likes vocal inflections!

 I just can't stand being treated like I did something wrong when I haven't... This is just one incident. It's rare to have any of them help you out in any way... I've tried to use them as they are supposed to be use, call when needed, got jumped by 11 people and they never did anything about it even though I knew who put it all together and were it happened was were one lived... I mean, total lack of caring unless they can flex their dicks.

Friend of mine the other day got put in the back of the cop car forcibly because the cop thought she was being "a smart ass" when he asked her where she lived. Grabbed her arm (she's a tiny chick) and ripped her off of her bike and threw her into the car. The whole reason was because she didn't have a bicycle light on her bike, then left her with an $80 ticket. This sounds to me to be a douche bored, looking for a reason to be an asshole.

To me, it seems like they should be doing better things and handling shit that really matter.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: TEEEPO on October 02, 2012, 05:56:21 PM
Anyone who says police have never done anything for them are fucking idiots. If there were no police, there would be nothing to prevent me from silently coming into your house in the middle of the night, raping your wife, murdering you, and stealing your shit. How do you not understand that?

well, it's obvious you lack any risk assessment skills because in a society without any police, and in an environment where people break into my home at the middle of the night, rape my wife, and then proceed to murder me is the norm, you best believe i'll be snuggling with my shotgun with all my locks being the highest grade and having at least five different alarm systems. i'd like to see you try it.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Mandark on October 02, 2012, 06:09:46 PM
First, my money's squarely on The Business.  Secondly, that means at the very least the police are keeping you from living in a constant state of paranoia and spending all your disposable income on protection.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: TEEEPO on October 02, 2012, 08:51:21 PM
First, my money's squarely on The Business.  Secondly, that means at the very least the police are keeping you from living in a constant state of paranoia and spending all your disposable income on protection.

nowhere does it imply that i believe the police are keeping me from living in a constant state of paranoia-i was simply playing along with the business based on what he had depicted so in that sense, it would be irrational to not be overprotective. put all the money you want on him, but if he's damn certain that in the state of "anarchy" which our society would erupt into if we were to wake up tomorrow and there was no police force protecting me from the seemingly countless number of people much like the business whose moral compass had disappeared along with any rational thought which had prevented them all along from being the ravaging beasts which nature had intended them on being, then he and along with everyone else would be risking their life as much as i’d be risking mine for staying in such an environment, hence the risk-reward assessment. if anything, with no police force to enact any of the laws our society have put in place, and assumingly the public doesn’t band together to protect their own neighborhoods and communities, there is a greater risk than before for not only me but anyone who crosses my path given that i could simply point my gun to his head for breaking into my house and suffer no repercussions other than the emotional turmoil i’d go through for having just killed a man as well as what i’d be signaling to my immediate neighbors, but i’m pretty certain they’d understand and would be supportive. there are very few people who can kill a man and walk away from it being unscathed so it isn’t exactly cheap even in a society with no laws. though, i do hope my wife is going to be that hot for him to willingly bet his own life on trying to rape her.

also, i’d never put money on someone who spent his entire military career behind a computer desk and installed telephone wires for the men who actively put their lives at risk day in and out during the height of the iraqi conflict. what a fucking pussy
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 02, 2012, 10:35:35 PM
fine with 'em, but i'm also white :smug
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Positive Touch on October 02, 2012, 11:00:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fn0mrdmXZI

BOOGIE EXPLAIN
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Mandark on October 02, 2012, 11:42:15 PM
First, my money's squarely on The Business.  Secondly, that means at the very least the police are keeping you from living in a constant state of paranoia and spending all your disposable income on protection.

nowhere does it imply that i believe the police are keeping me from living in a constant state of paranoia-i was simply playing along with the business based on what he had depicted so in that sense, it would be irrational to not be overprotective. put all the money you want on him, but if he's damn certain that in the state of "anarchy" which our society would erupt into if we were to wake up tomorrow and there was no police force protecting me from the seemingly countless number of people much like the business whose moral compass had disappeared along with any rational thought which had prevented them all along from being the ravaging beasts which nature had intended them on being, then he and along with everyone else would be risking their life as much as i’d be risking mine for staying in such an environment, hence the risk-reward assessment. if anything, with no police force to enact any of the laws our society have put in place, and assumingly the public doesn’t band together to protect their own neighborhoods and communities, there is a greater risk than before for not only me but anyone who crosses my path given that i could simply point my gun to his head for breaking into my house and suffer no repercussions other than the emotional turmoil i’d go through for having just killed a man as well as what i’d be signaling to my immediate neighbors, but i’m pretty certain they’d understand and would be supportive. there are very few people who can kill a man and walk away from it being unscathed so it isn’t exactly cheap even in a society with no laws. though, i do hope my wife is going to be that hot for him to willingly bet his own life on trying to rape her.

also, i’d never put money on someone who spent his entire military career behind a computer desk and installed telephone wires for the men who actively put their lives at risk day in and out during the height of the iraqi conflict. what a fucking pussy

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/241/171/d78.gif)
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 02, 2012, 11:44:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fn0mrdmXZI

BOOGIE EXPLAIN

He's currently being investigated over that, at least.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: BlackMage on October 02, 2012, 11:47:42 PM
Fuck tha police
Comin straight from the underground
Young nicca got it bad cuz I'm brown
And not the other color so police think
They have the authority to kill a minority
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2012, 11:49:30 PM
I've dealt with more than a few asshole cops, including being questioned for 5 minutes simply for walking across the lawn and checking the mail - I guess that's what I get for living across the street from a bank huh.

That being said, I think most police are decent people just trying to do their job and stay safe. There are assholes in every profession, especially those where authoritarian mentalities can best be expressed (police and military). With all that in mind you're always going to have more decent folks (Boogie) than assholes (The Business)
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Mandark on October 02, 2012, 11:51:20 PM
Like everyone says, some cops are assholes, just like a fraction of any other group of people.

Beyond that the job does, to some degree, tend to attract and incubate a certain type of asshole.  Which isn't unique to police among professions, but it's there.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Boogie on October 03, 2012, 01:16:39 AM
Oh sure, make this thread when I'm on three weeks' vacation, road tripping across America, and only Internet access through hotel wifi on my phone.

Jerks.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: BlackMage on October 03, 2012, 01:18:09 AM
Oh sure, make this thread when I'm on three weeks' vacation, road tripping across America, and only Internet access through hotel wifi on my phone.

Jerks.

this is the safest time for us to do it. We don't want our heads smashed into a wall or our face karate chopped.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 03, 2012, 01:26:40 AM
Oh sure, make this thread when I'm on three weeks' vacation, road tripping across America, and only Internet access through hotel wifi on my phone.

Jerks.

this is the safest time for us to do it. We don't want our heads smashed into a wall or our face karate chopped.

Or even worse, lectured :P
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Boogie on October 03, 2012, 01:28:56 AM
Oh sure, make this thread when I'm on three weeks' vacation, road tripping across America, and only Internet access through hotel wifi on my phone.

Jerks.

this is the safest time for us to do it. We don't want our heads smashed into a wall or our face karate chopped.

Don't be so sure, BlackMage.  I'm in Cali right now, Imma find you.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Boogie on October 03, 2012, 01:31:41 AM
Oh sure, make this thread when I'm on three weeks' vacation, road tripping across America, and only Internet access through hotel wifi on my phone.

Jerks.

this is the safest time for us to do it. We don't want our heads smashed into a wall or our face karate chopped.

Or even worse, lectured :P

:lol
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: BlackMage on October 03, 2012, 01:50:49 AM
Oh sure, make this thread when I'm on three weeks' vacation, road tripping across America, and only Internet access through hotel wifi on my phone.

Jerks.

this is the safest time for us to do it. We don't want our heads smashed into a wall or our face karate chopped.

Don't be so sure, BlackMage.  I'm in Cali right now, Imma find you.

ohh fuuuuucckkk!!!  :o
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: T-Short on October 03, 2012, 02:37:54 AM
fine with 'em, but i'm also white :smug

this

also, what Oscar said
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 03, 2012, 02:42:50 AM
Can't live with them, can't live without them!
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 03, 2012, 02:57:53 AM
Can't live with them, can't live without them!

I know you're Polish and all, but we're talking about police here, not women.  The "pigs" descriptor can be confusing, for sure.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: chronovore on October 03, 2012, 04:38:16 PM
I generally support the police, but am never happy to have a person with a firearm in my near vicinity.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 03, 2012, 08:27:38 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20121003_DA_drops_charges_against_woman_who_was_punched_by_cop.html
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 04, 2012, 12:43:09 AM
I don't know how people can say "pigs", be over 16, and expect to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: T234 on October 04, 2012, 12:57:48 AM
Oh sure, make this thread when I'm on three weeks' vacation, road tripping across America, and only Internet access through hotel wifi on my phone.

Jerks.

HES IN OUR COUNTRY HIDE YO DOPE HIDE YA WIFE HIDE YO KIDS
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: drew on October 05, 2012, 02:31:49 AM
got side swiped by a bigass van tonight on my way home from work, ringed the 'po and a cruiser came by within 4 minutes, cited the driver and copied his info for me, even let me borrow his pen. also had a good conversation with the kid who hit me. told the officer i appreciated him coming out, which he seemed to not give a shit about (my thanks that is)

all in all yay police, you just have to know your rights and you will be fine

I generally support the police, but am never happy to have a person with a firearm in my near vicinity.

you only feel that way because of your own inexperience, they're just tools, man.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Reb on October 05, 2012, 06:04:59 AM
got side swiped by a bigass van tonight on my way home from work, ringed the 'po and a cruiser came by within 4 minutes, cited the driver and copied his info for me, even let me borrow his pen. also had a good conversation with the kid who hit me. told the officer i appreciated him coming out, which he seemed to not give a shit about (my thanks that is)

all in all yay police, you just have to know your rights and you will be fine

I generally support the police, but am never happy to have a person with a firearm in my near vicinity.

you only feel that way because of your own inexperience, they're just tools, man.

First it's "yay police" and then you call them tools?
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: chronovore on October 05, 2012, 06:24:30 PM
First it's "yay police" and then you call them tools?

:lol

Drew may be right. Then again, I know how easy it is to die from that particular tool.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: T234 on October 05, 2012, 06:40:48 PM
got side swiped by a bigass van tonight on my way home from work, ringed the 'po and a cruiser came by within 4 minutes, cited the driver and copied his info for me, even let me borrow his pen. also had a good conversation with the kid who hit me. told the officer i appreciated him coming out, which he seemed to not give a shit about (my thanks that is)

all in all yay police, you just have to know your rights and you will be fine

I generally support the police, but am never happy to have a person with a firearm in my near vicinity.

you only feel that way because of your own inexperience, they're just tools, man.

First it's "yay police" and then you call them tools?

Guns. Just tools.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Verdigris Murder on October 05, 2012, 08:00:48 PM
:-*
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: MIMIC on October 08, 2012, 10:28:15 PM
I'm black, 26 and never been pulled over in my life so they're good in my book. lol

I try to always give people the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Sure there are asshole cops but there are assholes in EVERY profession. I say "hi" to them whenever I pass by one, and they say "hi" back so I "personally" have no reason to hate them.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: BlackMage on October 08, 2012, 11:01:04 PM
I'm black, 26 and never been pulled over in my life so they're good in my book. lol

I try to always give people the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Sure there are asshole cops but there are assholes in EVERY profession. I say "hi" to them whenever I pass by one, and they say "hi" back so I "personally" have no reason to hate them.

sheeeeeeeeeiiiiiitttt
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Steve Contra on October 09, 2012, 12:25:42 AM
I'm fine with cops.  I'm not fine with the institutional idea (not prevalent everywhere, but it does exist) that simply by doing the job you're shielded from the reprecussions of doing a shitty job. 
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: drew on October 09, 2012, 12:45:25 AM
Drew may be right. Then again, I know how easy it is to die from that particular tool.

Drew is right. You drive on a road everyday where you are inches from death constantly. You aren't scared because you are licensed, trained, driver who understands the risks. It's the same with guns.

guns are actually MORE safe than driving a car, in traffic you have to worry about other cars hitting you or doing any other number of things people in cars tend to do. when handling a gun the only person you have to worry about is yourself.  just imagine there is a laser thats coming out of the barrel that burns through anything you sweep it over and keep your index finger extended and outside the trigger guard and you will pretty much be fine, those are the two most important things imo
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Spurgeon on October 10, 2012, 06:19:12 AM
Cops protect the public from Voodoo; you may have seen my local police force on A&E.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Inspector Thatcher on October 10, 2012, 09:12:40 PM
They run toward stuff that other people run away from.  They have the privilege of regularly dealing with people on the worst days of their lives, and they're expected to be perfect at it, all the time, while being heckled.

Every now and then there's an editorial that rips into my profession, and it drives me up the wall.  Can't imagine how cops feel with the daily peanut gallery.

But oh, the uniforms  :-*

Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: drew on October 12, 2012, 12:08:53 AM
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Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: drew on October 12, 2012, 01:59:09 AM
actually he survived

http://www.tricountyleader.com/news/2006-03-30/Front_Page/002.html
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: chronovore on October 12, 2012, 11:46:43 PM
OK, can you confine your "people getting fucking shot for real" fetish GIFs to the NSFW thread?
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: T234 on October 13, 2012, 12:47:11 AM
Eh, it's pretty tame in comparison to some of the shit I've seen in person.

Hell, I myself personally have been stabbed three times, shot at several times, very seriously beaten and left for dead (The look on that dudes face when I showed up at his bar a few weeks later with a shotgun was priceless.), and hit by a car on purpose (thankfully I went over it and not under it).

Wanna know what I learned during my life?

Life is not an extreme sport.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Boogie on October 13, 2012, 01:01:26 AM
Dear Thor: 

Life; you're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Boogie on October 13, 2012, 01:06:03 AM
Aside:

Now that I'm back from my trip and in front of a keyboard, and this thread is still alive, do I actually say a piece in this thread and contribute some back-and-forth, or do we just assume y'all know the gist of what I'd likely say and you'd just as soon skip the predictable walls of text?   :-[
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Mandark on October 13, 2012, 01:12:49 AM
Post away!  It'll be twice as fun if someone manages to get under your skin. :teehee
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: drew on October 13, 2012, 02:31:27 AM
OK, can you confine your "people getting fucking shot for real" fetish GIFs to the NSFW thread?

can you confine your browsing of frivolous websites to when you're not at work?
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: chronovore on October 13, 2012, 11:00:06 AM
OK, can you confine your "people getting fucking shot for real" fetish GIFs to the NSFW thread?

can you confine your browsing of frivolous websites to when you're not at work?

I'm not at work, I just don't need to see people being shot. I know consideration is a chore for you, but you're theoretically providing something to see to an audience. I'm asking you to consider that many people aren't open to that type of image.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: T234 on October 13, 2012, 12:59:35 PM
Dear Thor: 

Life; you're doing it wrong.

Wrong. It should be "Life, you did it wrong."

Weirdly, all of the above except for the first stabbing all happened while I was in the arms of cocaine. Had NEAR-ENDLESS FUNDS but ZERO FUN (because all my money, and I had ALOT at the time, went up my nose). Haven't touched the shit since a 24-hour Moment-of-Clarity triggered by an Ibogaine trip. That trip quite literally saved my life. The people from that lifestyle whom I gave Ibogaine to after I took it, all quit and haven't taken cocaine since. Probably saved the lives of about 15 people, myself included, through the use of Ibogaine.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Barry Egan on October 13, 2012, 07:41:09 PM
Thor what's the tally so far on lives saved vs. lives taken? 
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 13, 2012, 08:25:58 PM
He has red in his book.  Wait, wrong character. 
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: chronovore on December 10, 2013, 06:11:18 PM
http://gawker.com/cop-shoots-kills-unarmed-college-student-after-sarcast-1479459282

Boogie, please explain!
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2013, 06:17:10 PM
Don't trust Gawker in relation to police related news stories. They released a news story about a month ago in relation to police shooting and killing an unarmed teenager after he swiped his pops' truck, and his dad reported it. They made it seem like he was innocent and it totally was unjustified. Not that I'm justifying murder, but...if you watch the actual dispatch video, the kid drove completely recklessly. He drove in the wrong side of the road at high speeds, ran straight through college campus stands which could have easily housed people, he drove on the side walk, and more. The police tried more than once to try and make him stop, but he kept going. He ended up ramming a police car, and that's when they got out and shot him.

Then you read the Gawker article and they totally are biased towards their side of events.

This story too reeks of "something isn't right, there needs to be more information". Story short, don't immediately trust ANY online source pertaining to so-called police brutality. At least at first. Look at ALL sources before you follow through and believe a police hating rag.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 10, 2013, 06:24:47 PM
Chrono, you afraid of the new thread button?  :lol

But yeah, basically what Himu said, who knows what really happened
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: chronovore on December 10, 2013, 06:29:24 PM
I just might be, yes! In general, I try to find any appropriate for first before making a new one. I thought we had a thread dedicated to unexplained police brutality, but this is the closest one I could find.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2013, 06:46:26 PM
Here's the video of the Iowan teen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y5zhmlWc-o

Here's the Gawker story: http://gawker.com/dad-calls-cops-on-son-to-teach-him-a-lesson-cops-shoot-1460159897

 :comeon
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 10, 2013, 09:37:50 PM
I've never really had many run-ins with the police, being white and all.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 11, 2013, 11:42:42 PM
I've been reading all sorts of terrible bullshit about the police lately, not the least of which is this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas

Quote
Orange County District Attorney Tony Rackauckas gave a detailed account of the events during a press conference on September 21, 2011. Using digital audio recording devices carried by the officers, surveillance video from a pole camera at the Fullerton Transportation Center, and other evidence, Rackauckas provided evidence that Thomas did comply with orders from Officer Ramos, who had put on latex gloves and asked Thomas "Now see my fists? They are getting ready to fuck you up."[19] Rackauckas went on to describe how Thomas begged for his life, before being beaten to death.[20] This case goes down as one of the few police brutality incidents where malicious intent on the part of the police officers, compliance on the part of the victim, and lack of any dangerous threat to police or civilians, are clearly demonstrated by video testimonial.

I know Boogie is an ok dude, but by and large I think in America the profession attracts people who were high school bullies. Fuck them.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2013, 06:36:24 AM
Probably shouldn't add this book to the list of ones to pick up:
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%E2%80%9Cwhy_did_you_shoot_me_i_was_reading_a_book_the_new_warrior_cop_is_out_of_control/
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/10/militarized_police_overreach_oh_god_i_thought_they_were_going_to_shoot_me_next%E2%80%9D/
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/14/theres_always_a_good_time_to_use_a_taser_tv_encourages_out_of_control_gun_culture/
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/30/why_is_a_swat_team_assaulting_me_im_just_dancing_at_a_rave/
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/police-brutality?paging=off
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 12, 2013, 06:44:45 AM
I've never had any trouble with the police - feel vaguely guilty about that
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2013, 10:26:14 AM
It is a thankless job; however, as a society we have, over the past 50+ years, tended to try to apply law and order to problems that don't merit it IMO, especially drug addiction. Change the stupid laws, treat it as a medical issue, and decriminalize possession. Use police as an open hand, not a closed fist, then maybe these sort of things wouldn't be an issue.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2013, 10:37:42 AM
Like, these ARE totally the actions of nice people who just want to help society, amirite?

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/11/21/v-fullstory/3769823/in-miami-gardens-store-video-catches.html
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 12, 2013, 10:40:44 AM
It is a thankless job; however, as a society we have, over the past 50+ years, tended to try to apply law and order to problems that don't merit it IMO, especially drug addiction. Change the stupid laws, treat it as a medical issue, and decriminalize possession. Use police as an open hand, not a closed fist, then maybe these sort of things wouldn't be an issue.

This. We don't need police coming to schools to arrest 7 year olds.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: huckleberry on December 12, 2013, 10:47:50 AM
what goddam jobs arent thankless?
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2013, 11:26:11 AM
Ah, ok- you're making the argument that our police force is representative of who we are as a country, which I can totally agree with. Forgive my finals addled brain- it's basically mush at this point. :derp
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2013, 11:39:24 AM
Biz, you saying the police force doesn't attract bullies?  Of course it does, just as academia attracts pedants, and it'd be weird if it didn't.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 12, 2013, 12:41:05 PM
I don't think this is a bottom-to-the-top issue [police force hires bad people] so much as it is a top-to-the-bottom issue [people who control the police force use it for matters that don't warrant police action, pushing quotas, "tough on crime" policies, ect]. Bad-apple cops can eventually be weeded out or minimized, but not if the guys in charge don't see what all the fuss is about.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 12, 2013, 01:39:44 PM
I've never had any problems with the police, then again I'm a white male, so I'm not a criminal. 
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2013, 04:56:38 PM
The fact that you have more of a record than I do is more amusing to me than it should be. As my step-mother put it while explaining to me why I was her least favorite step-child, even though my sister was a teenage mother and my half-brother is bi-polar and now has a restraining order filed against him: "Just because you've never been arrested doesn't mean you're not doing all sorts of terrible, illegal shit. It just means you're smart enough to get away with it."
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Rufus on December 12, 2013, 05:01:26 PM
Oh, that's just lovely. I absolutely despise people like that.

One line that struck me in my childhood, coming from an 'aunt' (sister of my aunt's husband, so no blood relation) when I was a about six or seven: "Those who start crying are guilty." No. They're just afraid. Turns out it was her own son that time. Did she apologize? Of course not. She wrongly accused me a couple of times and it has always stuck with me.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: T234 on December 12, 2013, 05:24:57 PM
The Biz got arrested?

Remember, always make him touch your cock before agreeing to any deal for sex. The Vice Squad guys can't touch your dick.
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Unless it's Boogie.  :-*
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Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2013, 05:57:18 PM
I don't think this is a bottom-to-the-top issue [police force hires bad people] so much as it is a top-to-the-bottom issue [people who control the police force use it for matters that don't warrant police action, pushing quotas, "tough on crime" policies, ect]. Bad-apple cops can eventually be weeded out or minimized, but not if the guys in charge don't see what all the fuss is about.
Yes, the seemingly endless number of bad apples are attracted to it and hired more because of the culture, with a different police culture they'd gravitate to some other job. Like criminal.

Tell cops they're in a war, outfit them as if they're in an actual war, organize them as if they're in a war, hold them to a separate standard from their fellow citizens where they're essentially unpunished while their "bad deeds" are lofted onto the taxpayers to pay for, encourage "us vs them" mentalities and it's not too shocking that people on sites like PoliceOne talk about citizens as if they're the enemies and that they're "on the front lines" while SWAT teams are deployed as if they're a military force without the restrictive rules of engagement.

And don't get me started on asset forfeiture!
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Broseidon on December 12, 2013, 08:02:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCzbHlNsuhU
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Boogie on December 12, 2013, 09:38:36 PM


Sure, it attracts bullies. I was just arguing with what I considered unfair generalizing. I've been toying with the idea of law enforcement and got a little defensive, I suppose. :(

Heh, just wait until/if you get onto the job.  :lol

....

 :-\
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Boogie on December 12, 2013, 09:42:56 PM

Yes, the seemingly endless number of bad apples are attracted to it and hired more because of the culture, with a different police culture they'd gravitate to some other job. Like criminal.

Tell cops they're in a war, outfit them as if they're in an actual war, organize them as if they're in a war, hold them to a separate standard from their fellow citizens where they're essentially unpunished while their "bad deeds" are lofted onto the taxpayers to pay for, encourage "us vs them" mentalities and it's not too shocking that people on sites like PoliceOne talk about citizens as if they're the enemies and that they're "on the front lines" while SWAT teams are deployed as if they're a military force without the restrictive rules of engagement.

And don't get me started on asset forfeiture!

Oh look, it's an ideological libertarian shitting on law enforcement, must be a day that ends in "y" :P
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2013, 09:49:18 PM
He's not exactly wrong about any of that though :hitler
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2013, 09:53:49 PM
There's a difference between the police who are proud of going their entire career without ever having to fire or even pull their gun and militarized gangs that violently loot and murder the "civilians" under their "protection."

I don't understand why the former so often want to defend the latter. They aren't really your "brothers" in arms.

I mean, what's the reasoning behind using SWAT to carry out warrants in the middle of the night as if they're ambushing an enemy encampment other than the faulty police notion that they're in a constant state of war against the criminal hordes?

EDIT: My being an anarchist doesn't really, or at least shouldn't, defend or excuse police or state misconduct. (Nevermind if it's just an insult/jab.  :lol)
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Boogie on December 12, 2013, 10:35:23 PM


EDIT: My being an anarchist doesn't really, or at least shouldn't, defend or excuse police or state misconduct. (Nevermind if it's just an insult/jab.  :lol)

Yes, it was mostly a jab.

Nonetheless, without exaggeration or hyperbole, every self-identified libertarian I have ever been exposed to on the internets, holds the exact same view of law enforcement, using the exact same rhetoric.

You are a smart dude, who can make some smart points, but when your basic position more or less equates my brothers as being Nazi brownshirts, I really dont feel like there is any benefit to us conversing on this topic.  We are only going to be talking past one another.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2013, 10:44:42 PM
That's fair and understandable, I know of what you speak. But I want to point out that I did not exactly condemn you or even the "bad apples" as much as I did the culture. Which to be fair isn't properly termed "police culture" but something else, it's in prosecutors and other state officials as well since they're the ones declaring the war in the first place. So maybe something more like "state culture" (:weebay) is appropriate to not single out just police.

And I think that "culture" harms not just the citizens who are victims, but things like using SWAT for drug warrants or most anything else at night unnecessarily puts the police in danger as well. It helps to promote a culture of violence in which police treat citizens as enemies so citizens start acting like enemies and vice versa. Citizens shouldn't fear interacting with police and police shouldn't fear interacting with citizens. It seems more and more like that's the current state of things however.

PoliceOne is still pretty disgusting.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Boogie on December 12, 2013, 11:03:37 PM
And with that being said, while I managed to restrain myself the first go around of this thread, I will give my honest, personal manifesto about my profession.

I do not begrudge anyone their personal negative interactions with police, nor can I possibly account for the very real shadow that American race relations/issues casts upon policing in America, compared with Canada.

That being said, in regards to cops being assholes/bullies/dicks... from my own experience in six years on this job, I just do not see it.  Now, granted, I am both a Canadian police officer, and a federal police officer at that, so maybe that accounts for the difference in experience, but I am not convinced.

In spite of my six short years on the job, I have worked with and trained with a rather large number of officers.  I have probably worked for extended periods with about 150 officers, firsthand.  And I do not see any obvious or over "bully" or "asshole" streak in them.  95%  of the colleagues I have worked with are pure gold, great people.  And sure, the 5% that remain can be true assholes.

I know that is anecdotal, but it is the profession as I see it.

And I do view things somewhat as Biz said.  If, between America and Canada, there are about 900,000 police officers, and 1% of them are complete fucking assholes, that still leaves 9,000 assholes, able to be complete dicks and commit offensive acts to make the front page of a regional/national newspaper every day of the year for 24 years, before one of them even REPEATED an offensive act to make the papers.

I fundamentally believe that the vast majority of my profession are good guys/gals, but that law enforcement has simply failed to adapt to the 21st century.   I absolutely believe that, on the whole, police officers are better educated, better trained, and more professional than we have been in the idealized past, but that the modern world magnifies the bad behaviour.

In the past, corrupt cops could more easily get away with their behaviour.  Today, you have a news media more willing to be critical of the police, you have more technology to keep police accountable (in car cameras, etc), the explosion of personal recording devices, and of social media to spread such recordings.  I believe that has created a perfect storm that magnifies police misconduct, and, absolutely, my profession has been poor at adapting to it.  ie. witness police officers who simply cannot deal with the growing habit of citizens whipping out their cell phones to put their behaviour under the microscope.  But lets be honest, such behaviour IS a stressor, and something that can pile onto an already stressful job.  Everyones behaviour changes when they have a camera in their face, scrutinizing everything they do.

And let me be clear, I cannot stand the truly corrupt, thuggish cops, probably moreso than the cop haters do.  Because I really do understand that it stains the profession, that it frustrates me to no end that it does not matter how much I try to do an honest, earnest, and professional job, when it can be undone by one fucking asshole who gets put on the front page of the newspaper.

Anyway, I can list the reasons why I chose this profession, and some are more noble than others:

I joined because the pay is good.

I joined because there is a damn good, guaranteed pension (although who knows whether that will still be the case in 20 years....)

I joined because I wanted a job with excitement, where every day could promise something different (and although 85% of this job is tedious, holy shit does the remaining 15% make up for it, and I could never see myself doing something else)

And yeah, I joined out of a sense of wanting to contribute to society, protect people and "make a difference".  And while the internets may have mixed feelings about my profession, I have actually been given several "thank you"s from random citizens, and those moments put me over the moon and humble me.

but I sure as hell did not become a cop because I was a bully in high school.  I was not the guy getting into fights.  I was, quite honestly, on a few occasions, the guy who jumped in the middle of a beatdown and pulled the bully off, while everyone else just stared and gawked.   And while I did not "always want to be a cop", that is probably part of the reason why no one was surprised when I became one.


.

So yeah, I did not mean the above as any sort of "God, I, and all cops, are so awesome", nor as some sort of an argumentative post against those who do not, generally, like police.  Its just how I feel about my profession, and almost all of the people that I have worked with.  There is a lot of bullshit you have to deal with in this job, but it is still the greatest show on earth, and I love it.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Boogie on December 12, 2013, 11:10:47 PM
That's fair and understandable, I know of what you speak. But I want to point out that I did not exactly condemn you or even the "bad apples" as much as I did the culture. Which to be fair isn't properly termed "police culture" but something else, it's in prosecutors and other state officials as well since they're the ones declaring the war in the first place. So maybe something more like "state culture" (:weebay) is appropriate to not single out just police.

And I think that "culture" harms not just the citizens who are victims, but things like using SWAT for drug warrants or most anything else at night unnecessarily puts the police in danger as well. It helps to promote a culture of violence in which police treat citizens as enemies so citizens start acting like enemies and vice versa. Citizens shouldn't fear interacting with police and police shouldn't fear interacting with citizens. It seems more and more like that's the current state of things however.

PoliceOne is still pretty disgusting.

Fair, I can agree with at least 66% of this post. ;)

I am only vaguely aware of PoliceOne.  I spend some time at a Canadian law enforcment forum, but even there, I only post sporadically.



Also, as an addendum to my above post, SOMETIMES being a "dick" is a professional demeanour that is necessary.  People lie to the police all the damn time, and we would not solve many crimes just by taking everyone at face value and going "well, by all means, have a good day."  Sometimes, a pointed attitude puts people off guard, and can be used by an officer to suss out the truth.

Also, too many snarky citizens seem to believe that interactions with a police officer is a debate or a discussion.  It is not.  Now, a fair and reasonable police officer should still allow someone their chance to give their say, but in many cases someone coming away from a police interaction thinking the officer was a dick is because they were being a dick as well.

And sometimes, a police officer is a dick because they are in a bad mood, work long shifts, and could not help it.  Not an excuse for a job that consists of dealing with the public, but it happens.

And sometimes, the officer is a dick.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Boogie on December 12, 2013, 11:34:08 PM
Don't trust Gawker in relation to police related news stories. They released a news story about a month ago in relation to police shooting and killing an unarmed teenager after he swiped his pops' truck, and his dad reported it. They made it seem like he was innocent and it totally was unjustified. Not that I'm justifying murder, but...if you watch the actual dispatch video, the kid drove completely recklessly. He drove in the wrong side of the road at high speeds, ran straight through college campus stands which could have easily housed people, he drove on the side walk, and more. The police tried more than once to try and make him stop, but he kept going. He ended up ramming a police car, and that's when they got out and shot him.

Then you read the Gawker article and they totally are biased towards their side of events.

This story too reeks of "something isn't right, there needs to be more information". Story short, don't immediately trust ANY online source pertaining to so-called police brutality. At least at first. Look at ALL sources before you follow through and believe a police hating rag.

Also, this is remarkably mature and tempered.

Who are you, and what have you done with Himuro? ;)
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2013, 11:34:32 PM
I'd like to note for the record that I don't hate cops. Or state officials or politicians. Or other criminals.

I think one major complaint is what seems like a double standard where people get the impression that what would be charged as crimes and lead to jail time for regular citizens are instead "internal investigations" and suspensions for police. This does police a disservice more than anything because just from a PR stand-point you can wind up with later more severe stories where it comes out that said jerk had worked for like 8 places in five years or had 135 citations on his permanent record or what have you. This helps to create a sense of "if police can't police their own" and like the SWAT overusage, Stop-and-Frisks, "Officer Safety" excuse, etc. snowballs and contributes to that separation and inversion of who is serving who.

And it can feel like too much of it is waved away with BUT THE CRIMINALS AND THE TERRORISTS AND THE DRUGS AND HEROES OF DUTY.

None of this lays fault solely at the feet of the police however.

But I'll shuddup now. No need for a soapbox.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Boogie on December 12, 2013, 11:50:07 PM
I'd like to note for the record that I don't hate cops. Or state officials or politicians. Or other criminals.


....

Like I said. ::)
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: nudemacusers on December 12, 2013, 11:53:09 PM
Hmm, I've only had a handful of run-ins with police, all rural/small-town stuff. The most noteworthy was at 10 years old riding bitch with father in law on motorcycle. We get flashed, and dad decides to go on small chase eventually pulling into a service road. FIL throws something into bushes* right away, gets pepper sprayed due to resisting arrest and I catch a little bit of the spray on my arms and face. Cop wasn't mean to me at all, and I very clearly remember on the witness stand he was very upset I was involved in that situation. I actually kind of want to find out who this dude is, but I'm sure that is impossible.

*I lightbulbed in my 20s that this was some kind of drug pipe, dunno what drug tho (probably meth). Amusingly, I was coached by my mother not to mention that this happened on the witness stand. Thanks mom.

I will say the Canadian police I encountered 3-4 times (hey, it was oktoberfest, shit gets messy) were all polite and fair, even though my friend was being a total dick.

Do I think the badge can give assholes impunity to act like, well, assholes? Sure.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2013, 11:58:03 PM
Like I said. ::)
:teehee
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: nudemacusers on December 12, 2013, 11:59:23 PM
I should also add that I am beige-white, dress in expensive clothing and groom myself regularly. Even sourpuss old ladies love me!
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2013, 12:03:00 AM
Don't trust Gawker in relation to police related news stories. They released a news story about a month ago in relation to police shooting and killing an unarmed teenager after he swiped his pops' truck, and his dad reported it. They made it seem like he was innocent and it totally was unjustified. Not that I'm justifying murder, but...if you watch the actual dispatch video, the kid drove completely recklessly. He drove in the wrong side of the road at high speeds, ran straight through college campus stands which could have easily housed people, he drove on the side walk, and more. The police tried more than once to try and make him stop, but he kept going. He ended up ramming a police car, and that's when they got out and shot him.

Then you read the Gawker article and they totally are biased towards their side of events.

This story too reeks of "something isn't right, there needs to be more information". Story short, don't immediately trust ANY online source pertaining to so-called police brutality. At least at first. Look at ALL sources before you follow through and believe a police hating rag.

Also, this is remarkably mature and tempered.

Who are you, and what have you done with Himuro? ;)

I'm trying to become a better person. A little empathy goes a long way, empathy towards all people. This includes empathy towards the police. Policing is a hard job. I think people are simplifying the job to stereotypes, and I don't think that's right.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Mandark on December 13, 2013, 12:06:29 AM
Biz, you saying the police force doesn't attract bullies?  Of course it does, just as academia attracts pedants, and it'd be weird if it didn't.

Sure, it attracts bullies. I was just arguing with what I considered unfair generalizing. I've been toying with the idea of law enforcement and got a little defensive, I suppose. :(

Well, QED.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Boogie on December 13, 2013, 12:06:49 AM
Hmm, I've only had a handful of run-ins with police, all rural/small-town stuff. The most noteworthy was at 10 years old riding bitch with father in law on motorcycle. We get flashed, and dad decides to go on small chase eventually pulling into a service road. FIL throws something into bushes* right away, gets pepper sprayed due to resisting arrest and I catch a little bit of the spray on my arms and face. Cop wasn't mean to me at all, and I very clearly remember on the witness stand he was very upset I was involved in that situation. I actually kind of want to find out who this dude is, but I'm sure that is impossible.

*I lightbulbed in my 20s that this was some kind of drug pipe, dunno what drug tho (probably meth). Amusingly, I was coached by my mother not to mention that this happened on the witness stand. Thanks mom.

I will say the Canadian police I encountered 3-4 times (hey, it was oktoberfest, shit gets messy) were all polite and fair, even though my friend was being a total dick.

Do I think the badge can give assholes impunity to act like, well, assholes? Sure.

1) wow, your father-in-law is a dumbass :lol

2) as I have said before, the more you talk about Canadian police interaction during Octoberfest reminds me of you being within 100 km of me without you giving me the heads up for us to hang out.... >:(.     :-*
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: nudemacusers on December 13, 2013, 12:09:23 AM
BB you know I'm sorry. If I'm ever in Toronto I'll give you a ring  :-*

Yeah I was too young to really understand what was going on, but looking back I realize how fucked that whole situation was. The reason the pepper spray got busted out was because the cop saw him throw the pipe, but my dear ol dad wouldn't cop to a search and fought the dude off.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Mandark on December 13, 2013, 01:18:21 AM
To be fair, benji's a thoughtful dude who will sincerely engage people even when they disagree strongly, whereas you were basically a guy who wanted easier access to drugs and had just discovered Radley Balko.

:yeshrug
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: nudemacusers on December 13, 2013, 01:26:00 AM
well

doesn't everyone want easy access to drugs?
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Boogie on December 13, 2013, 01:26:58 AM
Well, my response is unnecessary now, but all I will add is if you were so convinced of the righteousness of your position, you wouldn't have arranged for all of those posts to be erased. :P


Also, at the time, we argued over rather specific points, and, as far as I am concerned, you staked your flag on some rather silly grounds, none of which necessarily had anything to do with what benji is saying today.

And even then, I may simply not have the energy to have it out with benji like I did with you four year ago. ;)
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: chronovore on December 13, 2013, 03:27:06 AM
Biz, you saying the police force doesn't attract bullies?  Of course it does, just as academia attracts pedants, and it'd be weird if it didn't.

Sure, it attracts bullies. I was just arguing with what I considered unfair generalizing. I've been toying with the idea of law enforcement and got a little defensive, I suppose. :(

Well, QED.

God DAMN. I barked laughter at that.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2013, 03:59:21 AM
Cheers fellers. And also, thanks for the story Boogie.

My complaints are more with the system and what I view as the dominant culture more than anything to do with any individual officer or persons, even the bad apples. But I tend to be that way, so it's probably my biases showing.

Personally, I've found Michigan State Police to be for the most part sane and rational, with the locals and university cops being the ones who run the gamut. Since I've been around universities forever I've found their police tend to be strict in enforcement but generally pleasant, with the terrors being the "townie" forces from the surrounding areas.* Larger city police forces being where you more often can tell just by looking at them who's corrupt and/or ready to beat the shit out of some homeless dude. Tribe police forces are either really laid back or pissed at Andrew Jackson still.

*Once saw twelve town and county cars pull into my apartment complex down the way, all of them spilled out cops who went chasing after underage drinkers towards a small forest trying to tackle and handcuff them. After they were bitching to each other because the State Police post down the road "didn't provide backup" for the operation. Like an hour later a State Police car drove around the complex once and left without stopping. There was significant antagonism among the forces in this area because you had State, two separate counties, Tribe, Town, and University Police and they would constantly ally against each other. The town/city force tried to get ordinances passed saying they were always the top dog with their chief in charge of everything. Slightly amusing. :cop
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 13, 2013, 11:18:05 PM
(http://imgur.com/xwsi74n.gif)
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 13, 2013, 11:19:46 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/6Tvf58A.jpg)
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: brob on December 14, 2013, 09:19:13 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/wADnc4d.png)
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 14, 2013, 09:29:18 AM
Was taught to hate them growing up...

Moved my family to a nice mid-upper class town...got pulled over weekly for a year....hated them

Now I like my local guys but atleast once a year I get yoked up for driving a german car while colored. PD knows.what I mean.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2013, 12:32:00 PM
PD doesn't drive, so no he doesn't know what you mean.
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2013, 12:48:11 PM
I'm saying Maurice doesn't drive
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: nudemacusers on December 14, 2013, 01:14:38 PM
u gonna expose a nikka like that?
Title: Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
Post by: headwalk on December 14, 2013, 01:29:45 PM
i've often been surprised with how chill cops have been when i've been caught doing something blatantly illegal.

i'm less surprised by how they can turn the most inane and unnecessary procedure into a condescending ball ache

fortunately, i'm white so i can exercise a little axle greasing false humility without feeling like i'm letting the team down.