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Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
« Reply #61 on: October 12, 2012, 11:46:43 PM »
OK, can you confine your "people getting fucking shot for real" fetish GIFs to the NSFW thread?

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« Reply #62 on: October 13, 2012, 12:47:11 AM »
Eh, it's pretty tame in comparison to some of the shit I've seen in person.

Hell, I myself personally have been stabbed three times, shot at several times, very seriously beaten and left for dead (The look on that dudes face when I showed up at his bar a few weeks later with a shotgun was priceless.), and hit by a car on purpose (thankfully I went over it and not under it).

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« Reply #63 on: October 13, 2012, 01:01:26 AM »
Dear Thor: 

Life; you're doing it wrong.
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« Reply #64 on: October 13, 2012, 01:06:03 AM »
Aside:

Now that I'm back from my trip and in front of a keyboard, and this thread is still alive, do I actually say a piece in this thread and contribute some back-and-forth, or do we just assume y'all know the gist of what I'd likely say and you'd just as soon skip the predictable walls of text?   :-[
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« Reply #65 on: October 13, 2012, 01:12:49 AM »
Post away!  It'll be twice as fun if someone manages to get under your skin. :teehee

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« Reply #66 on: October 13, 2012, 02:31:27 AM »
OK, can you confine your "people getting fucking shot for real" fetish GIFs to the NSFW thread?

can you confine your browsing of frivolous websites to when you're not at work?

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« Reply #67 on: October 13, 2012, 11:00:06 AM »
OK, can you confine your "people getting fucking shot for real" fetish GIFs to the NSFW thread?

can you confine your browsing of frivolous websites to when you're not at work?

I'm not at work, I just don't need to see people being shot. I know consideration is a chore for you, but you're theoretically providing something to see to an audience. I'm asking you to consider that many people aren't open to that type of image.

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« Reply #68 on: October 13, 2012, 12:59:35 PM »
Dear Thor: 

Life; you're doing it wrong.

Wrong. It should be "Life, you did it wrong."

Weirdly, all of the above except for the first stabbing all happened while I was in the arms of cocaine. Had NEAR-ENDLESS FUNDS but ZERO FUN (because all my money, and I had ALOT at the time, went up my nose). Haven't touched the shit since a 24-hour Moment-of-Clarity triggered by an Ibogaine trip. That trip quite literally saved my life. The people from that lifestyle whom I gave Ibogaine to after I took it, all quit and haven't taken cocaine since. Probably saved the lives of about 15 people, myself included, through the use of Ibogaine.
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« Reply #69 on: October 13, 2012, 07:41:09 PM »
Thor what's the tally so far on lives saved vs. lives taken? 

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« Reply #70 on: October 13, 2012, 08:25:58 PM »
He has red in his book.  Wait, wrong character. 

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« Reply #72 on: December 10, 2013, 06:17:10 PM »
Don't trust Gawker in relation to police related news stories. They released a news story about a month ago in relation to police shooting and killing an unarmed teenager after he swiped his pops' truck, and his dad reported it. They made it seem like he was innocent and it totally was unjustified. Not that I'm justifying murder, but...if you watch the actual dispatch video, the kid drove completely recklessly. He drove in the wrong side of the road at high speeds, ran straight through college campus stands which could have easily housed people, he drove on the side walk, and more. The police tried more than once to try and make him stop, but he kept going. He ended up ramming a police car, and that's when they got out and shot him.

Then you read the Gawker article and they totally are biased towards their side of events.

This story too reeks of "something isn't right, there needs to be more information". Story short, don't immediately trust ANY online source pertaining to so-called police brutality. At least at first. Look at ALL sources before you follow through and believe a police hating rag.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2013, 07:42:26 PM by Formerly Known As Himuro »
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« Reply #73 on: December 10, 2013, 06:24:47 PM »
Chrono, you afraid of the new thread button?  :lol

But yeah, basically what Himu said, who knows what really happened

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« Reply #74 on: December 10, 2013, 06:29:24 PM »
I just might be, yes! In general, I try to find any appropriate for first before making a new one. I thought we had a thread dedicated to unexplained police brutality, but this is the closest one I could find.

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« Reply #75 on: December 10, 2013, 06:46:26 PM »
Here's the video of the Iowan teen.



Here's the Gawker story: http://gawker.com/dad-calls-cops-on-son-to-teach-him-a-lesson-cops-shoot-1460159897

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« Reply #76 on: December 10, 2013, 09:37:50 PM »
I've never really had many run-ins with the police, being white and all.
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« Reply #77 on: December 11, 2013, 11:42:42 PM »
I've been reading all sorts of terrible bullshit about the police lately, not the least of which is this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas

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Orange County District Attorney Tony Rackauckas gave a detailed account of the events during a press conference on September 21, 2011. Using digital audio recording devices carried by the officers, surveillance video from a pole camera at the Fullerton Transportation Center, and other evidence, Rackauckas provided evidence that Thomas did comply with orders from Officer Ramos, who had put on latex gloves and asked Thomas "Now see my fists? They are getting ready to fuck you up."[19] Rackauckas went on to describe how Thomas begged for his life, before being beaten to death.[20] This case goes down as one of the few police brutality incidents where malicious intent on the part of the police officers, compliance on the part of the victim, and lack of any dangerous threat to police or civilians, are clearly demonstrated by video testimonial.

I know Boogie is an ok dude, but by and large I think in America the profession attracts people who were high school bullies. Fuck them.
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« Reply #79 on: December 12, 2013, 06:44:45 AM »
I've never had any trouble with the police - feel vaguely guilty about that
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« Reply #80 on: December 12, 2013, 10:26:14 AM »
It is a thankless job; however, as a society we have, over the past 50+ years, tended to try to apply law and order to problems that don't merit it IMO, especially drug addiction. Change the stupid laws, treat it as a medical issue, and decriminalize possession. Use police as an open hand, not a closed fist, then maybe these sort of things wouldn't be an issue.
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« Reply #81 on: December 12, 2013, 10:37:42 AM »
Like, these ARE totally the actions of nice people who just want to help society, amirite?

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/11/21/v-fullstory/3769823/in-miami-gardens-store-video-catches.html
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« Reply #82 on: December 12, 2013, 10:40:44 AM »
It is a thankless job; however, as a society we have, over the past 50+ years, tended to try to apply law and order to problems that don't merit it IMO, especially drug addiction. Change the stupid laws, treat it as a medical issue, and decriminalize possession. Use police as an open hand, not a closed fist, then maybe these sort of things wouldn't be an issue.

This. We don't need police coming to schools to arrest 7 year olds.

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« Reply #83 on: December 12, 2013, 10:47:50 AM »
what goddam jobs arent thankless?
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« Reply #84 on: December 12, 2013, 11:26:11 AM »
Ah, ok- you're making the argument that our police force is representative of who we are as a country, which I can totally agree with. Forgive my finals addled brain- it's basically mush at this point. :derp
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« Reply #85 on: December 12, 2013, 11:39:24 AM »
Biz, you saying the police force doesn't attract bullies?  Of course it does, just as academia attracts pedants, and it'd be weird if it didn't.

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« Reply #86 on: December 12, 2013, 12:41:05 PM »
I don't think this is a bottom-to-the-top issue [police force hires bad people] so much as it is a top-to-the-bottom issue [people who control the police force use it for matters that don't warrant police action, pushing quotas, "tough on crime" policies, ect]. Bad-apple cops can eventually be weeded out or minimized, but not if the guys in charge don't see what all the fuss is about.
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« Reply #87 on: December 12, 2013, 01:39:44 PM »
I've never had any problems with the police, then again I'm a white male, so I'm not a criminal. 

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« Reply #88 on: December 12, 2013, 04:56:38 PM »
The fact that you have more of a record than I do is more amusing to me than it should be. As my step-mother put it while explaining to me why I was her least favorite step-child, even though my sister was a teenage mother and my half-brother is bi-polar and now has a restraining order filed against him: "Just because you've never been arrested doesn't mean you're not doing all sorts of terrible, illegal shit. It just means you're smart enough to get away with it."
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« Reply #89 on: December 12, 2013, 05:01:26 PM »
Oh, that's just lovely. I absolutely despise people like that.

One line that struck me in my childhood, coming from an 'aunt' (sister of my aunt's husband, so no blood relation) when I was a about six or seven: "Those who start crying are guilty." No. They're just afraid. Turns out it was her own son that time. Did she apologize? Of course not. She wrongly accused me a couple of times and it has always stuck with me.
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« Reply #90 on: December 12, 2013, 05:24:57 PM »
The Biz got arrested?

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« Reply #91 on: December 12, 2013, 05:57:18 PM »
I don't think this is a bottom-to-the-top issue [police force hires bad people] so much as it is a top-to-the-bottom issue [people who control the police force use it for matters that don't warrant police action, pushing quotas, "tough on crime" policies, ect]. Bad-apple cops can eventually be weeded out or minimized, but not if the guys in charge don't see what all the fuss is about.
Yes, the seemingly endless number of bad apples are attracted to it and hired more because of the culture, with a different police culture they'd gravitate to some other job. Like criminal.

Tell cops they're in a war, outfit them as if they're in an actual war, organize them as if they're in a war, hold them to a separate standard from their fellow citizens where they're essentially unpunished while their "bad deeds" are lofted onto the taxpayers to pay for, encourage "us vs them" mentalities and it's not too shocking that people on sites like PoliceOne talk about citizens as if they're the enemies and that they're "on the front lines" while SWAT teams are deployed as if they're a military force without the restrictive rules of engagement.

And don't get me started on asset forfeiture!

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« Reply #92 on: December 12, 2013, 08:02:10 PM »
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« Reply #93 on: December 12, 2013, 09:38:36 PM »


Sure, it attracts bullies. I was just arguing with what I considered unfair generalizing. I've been toying with the idea of law enforcement and got a little defensive, I suppose. :(

Heh, just wait until/if you get onto the job.  :lol

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« Reply #94 on: December 12, 2013, 09:42:56 PM »

Yes, the seemingly endless number of bad apples are attracted to it and hired more because of the culture, with a different police culture they'd gravitate to some other job. Like criminal.

Tell cops they're in a war, outfit them as if they're in an actual war, organize them as if they're in a war, hold them to a separate standard from their fellow citizens where they're essentially unpunished while their "bad deeds" are lofted onto the taxpayers to pay for, encourage "us vs them" mentalities and it's not too shocking that people on sites like PoliceOne talk about citizens as if they're the enemies and that they're "on the front lines" while SWAT teams are deployed as if they're a military force without the restrictive rules of engagement.

And don't get me started on asset forfeiture!

Oh look, it's an ideological libertarian shitting on law enforcement, must be a day that ends in "y" :P
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« Reply #95 on: December 12, 2013, 09:49:18 PM »
He's not exactly wrong about any of that though :hitler
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« Reply #96 on: December 12, 2013, 09:53:49 PM »
There's a difference between the police who are proud of going their entire career without ever having to fire or even pull their gun and militarized gangs that violently loot and murder the "civilians" under their "protection."

I don't understand why the former so often want to defend the latter. They aren't really your "brothers" in arms.

I mean, what's the reasoning behind using SWAT to carry out warrants in the middle of the night as if they're ambushing an enemy encampment other than the faulty police notion that they're in a constant state of war against the criminal hordes?

EDIT: My being an anarchist doesn't really, or at least shouldn't, defend or excuse police or state misconduct. (Nevermind if it's just an insult/jab.  :lol)
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« Reply #97 on: December 12, 2013, 10:35:23 PM »


EDIT: My being an anarchist doesn't really, or at least shouldn't, defend or excuse police or state misconduct. (Nevermind if it's just an insult/jab.  :lol)

Yes, it was mostly a jab.

Nonetheless, without exaggeration or hyperbole, every self-identified libertarian I have ever been exposed to on the internets, holds the exact same view of law enforcement, using the exact same rhetoric.

You are a smart dude, who can make some smart points, but when your basic position more or less equates my brothers as being Nazi brownshirts, I really dont feel like there is any benefit to us conversing on this topic.  We are only going to be talking past one another.
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« Reply #98 on: December 12, 2013, 10:44:42 PM »
That's fair and understandable, I know of what you speak. But I want to point out that I did not exactly condemn you or even the "bad apples" as much as I did the culture. Which to be fair isn't properly termed "police culture" but something else, it's in prosecutors and other state officials as well since they're the ones declaring the war in the first place. So maybe something more like "state culture" (:weebay) is appropriate to not single out just police.

And I think that "culture" harms not just the citizens who are victims, but things like using SWAT for drug warrants or most anything else at night unnecessarily puts the police in danger as well. It helps to promote a culture of violence in which police treat citizens as enemies so citizens start acting like enemies and vice versa. Citizens shouldn't fear interacting with police and police shouldn't fear interacting with citizens. It seems more and more like that's the current state of things however.

PoliceOne is still pretty disgusting.

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« Reply #99 on: December 12, 2013, 11:03:37 PM »
And with that being said, while I managed to restrain myself the first go around of this thread, I will give my honest, personal manifesto about my profession.

I do not begrudge anyone their personal negative interactions with police, nor can I possibly account for the very real shadow that American race relations/issues casts upon policing in America, compared with Canada.

That being said, in regards to cops being assholes/bullies/dicks... from my own experience in six years on this job, I just do not see it.  Now, granted, I am both a Canadian police officer, and a federal police officer at that, so maybe that accounts for the difference in experience, but I am not convinced.

In spite of my six short years on the job, I have worked with and trained with a rather large number of officers.  I have probably worked for extended periods with about 150 officers, firsthand.  And I do not see any obvious or over "bully" or "asshole" streak in them.  95%  of the colleagues I have worked with are pure gold, great people.  And sure, the 5% that remain can be true assholes.

I know that is anecdotal, but it is the profession as I see it.

And I do view things somewhat as Biz said.  If, between America and Canada, there are about 900,000 police officers, and 1% of them are complete fucking assholes, that still leaves 9,000 assholes, able to be complete dicks and commit offensive acts to make the front page of a regional/national newspaper every day of the year for 24 years, before one of them even REPEATED an offensive act to make the papers.

I fundamentally believe that the vast majority of my profession are good guys/gals, but that law enforcement has simply failed to adapt to the 21st century.   I absolutely believe that, on the whole, police officers are better educated, better trained, and more professional than we have been in the idealized past, but that the modern world magnifies the bad behaviour.

In the past, corrupt cops could more easily get away with their behaviour.  Today, you have a news media more willing to be critical of the police, you have more technology to keep police accountable (in car cameras, etc), the explosion of personal recording devices, and of social media to spread such recordings.  I believe that has created a perfect storm that magnifies police misconduct, and, absolutely, my profession has been poor at adapting to it.  ie. witness police officers who simply cannot deal with the growing habit of citizens whipping out their cell phones to put their behaviour under the microscope.  But lets be honest, such behaviour IS a stressor, and something that can pile onto an already stressful job.  Everyones behaviour changes when they have a camera in their face, scrutinizing everything they do.

And let me be clear, I cannot stand the truly corrupt, thuggish cops, probably moreso than the cop haters do.  Because I really do understand that it stains the profession, that it frustrates me to no end that it does not matter how much I try to do an honest, earnest, and professional job, when it can be undone by one fucking asshole who gets put on the front page of the newspaper.

Anyway, I can list the reasons why I chose this profession, and some are more noble than others:

I joined because the pay is good.

I joined because there is a damn good, guaranteed pension (although who knows whether that will still be the case in 20 years....)

I joined because I wanted a job with excitement, where every day could promise something different (and although 85% of this job is tedious, holy shit does the remaining 15% make up for it, and I could never see myself doing something else)

And yeah, I joined out of a sense of wanting to contribute to society, protect people and "make a difference".  And while the internets may have mixed feelings about my profession, I have actually been given several "thank you"s from random citizens, and those moments put me over the moon and humble me.

but I sure as hell did not become a cop because I was a bully in high school.  I was not the guy getting into fights.  I was, quite honestly, on a few occasions, the guy who jumped in the middle of a beatdown and pulled the bully off, while everyone else just stared and gawked.   And while I did not "always want to be a cop", that is probably part of the reason why no one was surprised when I became one.


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So yeah, I did not mean the above as any sort of "God, I, and all cops, are so awesome", nor as some sort of an argumentative post against those who do not, generally, like police.  Its just how I feel about my profession, and almost all of the people that I have worked with.  There is a lot of bullshit you have to deal with in this job, but it is still the greatest show on earth, and I love it.
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« Reply #100 on: December 12, 2013, 11:10:47 PM »
That's fair and understandable, I know of what you speak. But I want to point out that I did not exactly condemn you or even the "bad apples" as much as I did the culture. Which to be fair isn't properly termed "police culture" but something else, it's in prosecutors and other state officials as well since they're the ones declaring the war in the first place. So maybe something more like "state culture" (:weebay) is appropriate to not single out just police.

And I think that "culture" harms not just the citizens who are victims, but things like using SWAT for drug warrants or most anything else at night unnecessarily puts the police in danger as well. It helps to promote a culture of violence in which police treat citizens as enemies so citizens start acting like enemies and vice versa. Citizens shouldn't fear interacting with police and police shouldn't fear interacting with citizens. It seems more and more like that's the current state of things however.

PoliceOne is still pretty disgusting.

Fair, I can agree with at least 66% of this post. ;)

I am only vaguely aware of PoliceOne.  I spend some time at a Canadian law enforcment forum, but even there, I only post sporadically.



Also, as an addendum to my above post, SOMETIMES being a "dick" is a professional demeanour that is necessary.  People lie to the police all the damn time, and we would not solve many crimes just by taking everyone at face value and going "well, by all means, have a good day."  Sometimes, a pointed attitude puts people off guard, and can be used by an officer to suss out the truth.

Also, too many snarky citizens seem to believe that interactions with a police officer is a debate or a discussion.  It is not.  Now, a fair and reasonable police officer should still allow someone their chance to give their say, but in many cases someone coming away from a police interaction thinking the officer was a dick is because they were being a dick as well.

And sometimes, a police officer is a dick because they are in a bad mood, work long shifts, and could not help it.  Not an excuse for a job that consists of dealing with the public, but it happens.

And sometimes, the officer is a dick.
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« Reply #101 on: December 12, 2013, 11:34:08 PM »
Don't trust Gawker in relation to police related news stories. They released a news story about a month ago in relation to police shooting and killing an unarmed teenager after he swiped his pops' truck, and his dad reported it. They made it seem like he was innocent and it totally was unjustified. Not that I'm justifying murder, but...if you watch the actual dispatch video, the kid drove completely recklessly. He drove in the wrong side of the road at high speeds, ran straight through college campus stands which could have easily housed people, he drove on the side walk, and more. The police tried more than once to try and make him stop, but he kept going. He ended up ramming a police car, and that's when they got out and shot him.

Then you read the Gawker article and they totally are biased towards their side of events.

This story too reeks of "something isn't right, there needs to be more information". Story short, don't immediately trust ANY online source pertaining to so-called police brutality. At least at first. Look at ALL sources before you follow through and believe a police hating rag.

Also, this is remarkably mature and tempered.

Who are you, and what have you done with Himuro? ;)
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« Reply #102 on: December 12, 2013, 11:34:32 PM »
I'd like to note for the record that I don't hate cops. Or state officials or politicians. Or other criminals.

I think one major complaint is what seems like a double standard where people get the impression that what would be charged as crimes and lead to jail time for regular citizens are instead "internal investigations" and suspensions for police. This does police a disservice more than anything because just from a PR stand-point you can wind up with later more severe stories where it comes out that said jerk had worked for like 8 places in five years or had 135 citations on his permanent record or what have you. This helps to create a sense of "if police can't police their own" and like the SWAT overusage, Stop-and-Frisks, "Officer Safety" excuse, etc. snowballs and contributes to that separation and inversion of who is serving who.

And it can feel like too much of it is waved away with BUT THE CRIMINALS AND THE TERRORISTS AND THE DRUGS AND HEROES OF DUTY.

None of this lays fault solely at the feet of the police however.

But I'll shuddup now. No need for a soapbox.

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« Reply #103 on: December 12, 2013, 11:50:07 PM »
I'd like to note for the record that I don't hate cops. Or state officials or politicians. Or other criminals.


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Like I said. ::)
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Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
« Reply #104 on: December 12, 2013, 11:53:09 PM »
Hmm, I've only had a handful of run-ins with police, all rural/small-town stuff. The most noteworthy was at 10 years old riding bitch with father in law on motorcycle. We get flashed, and dad decides to go on small chase eventually pulling into a service road. FIL throws something into bushes* right away, gets pepper sprayed due to resisting arrest and I catch a little bit of the spray on my arms and face. Cop wasn't mean to me at all, and I very clearly remember on the witness stand he was very upset I was involved in that situation. I actually kind of want to find out who this dude is, but I'm sure that is impossible.

*I lightbulbed in my 20s that this was some kind of drug pipe, dunno what drug tho (probably meth). Amusingly, I was coached by my mother not to mention that this happened on the witness stand. Thanks mom.

I will say the Canadian police I encountered 3-4 times (hey, it was oktoberfest, shit gets messy) were all polite and fair, even though my friend was being a total dick.

Do I think the badge can give assholes impunity to act like, well, assholes? Sure.
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Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
« Reply #105 on: December 12, 2013, 11:58:03 PM »

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Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
« Reply #106 on: December 12, 2013, 11:59:23 PM »
I should also add that I am beige-white, dress in expensive clothing and groom myself regularly. Even sourpuss old ladies love me!
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Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
« Reply #107 on: December 13, 2013, 12:03:00 AM »
Don't trust Gawker in relation to police related news stories. They released a news story about a month ago in relation to police shooting and killing an unarmed teenager after he swiped his pops' truck, and his dad reported it. They made it seem like he was innocent and it totally was unjustified. Not that I'm justifying murder, but...if you watch the actual dispatch video, the kid drove completely recklessly. He drove in the wrong side of the road at high speeds, ran straight through college campus stands which could have easily housed people, he drove on the side walk, and more. The police tried more than once to try and make him stop, but he kept going. He ended up ramming a police car, and that's when they got out and shot him.

Then you read the Gawker article and they totally are biased towards their side of events.

This story too reeks of "something isn't right, there needs to be more information". Story short, don't immediately trust ANY online source pertaining to so-called police brutality. At least at first. Look at ALL sources before you follow through and believe a police hating rag.

Also, this is remarkably mature and tempered.

Who are you, and what have you done with Himuro? ;)

I'm trying to become a better person. A little empathy goes a long way, empathy towards all people. This includes empathy towards the police. Policing is a hard job. I think people are simplifying the job to stereotypes, and I don't think that's right.
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Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
« Reply #108 on: December 13, 2013, 12:06:29 AM »
Biz, you saying the police force doesn't attract bullies?  Of course it does, just as academia attracts pedants, and it'd be weird if it didn't.

Sure, it attracts bullies. I was just arguing with what I considered unfair generalizing. I've been toying with the idea of law enforcement and got a little defensive, I suppose. :(

Well, QED.

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Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
« Reply #109 on: December 13, 2013, 12:06:49 AM »
Hmm, I've only had a handful of run-ins with police, all rural/small-town stuff. The most noteworthy was at 10 years old riding bitch with father in law on motorcycle. We get flashed, and dad decides to go on small chase eventually pulling into a service road. FIL throws something into bushes* right away, gets pepper sprayed due to resisting arrest and I catch a little bit of the spray on my arms and face. Cop wasn't mean to me at all, and I very clearly remember on the witness stand he was very upset I was involved in that situation. I actually kind of want to find out who this dude is, but I'm sure that is impossible.

*I lightbulbed in my 20s that this was some kind of drug pipe, dunno what drug tho (probably meth). Amusingly, I was coached by my mother not to mention that this happened on the witness stand. Thanks mom.

I will say the Canadian police I encountered 3-4 times (hey, it was oktoberfest, shit gets messy) were all polite and fair, even though my friend was being a total dick.

Do I think the badge can give assholes impunity to act like, well, assholes? Sure.

1) wow, your father-in-law is a dumbass :lol

2) as I have said before, the more you talk about Canadian police interaction during Octoberfest reminds me of you being within 100 km of me without you giving me the heads up for us to hang out.... >:(.     :-*
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Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
« Reply #110 on: December 13, 2013, 12:09:23 AM »
BB you know I'm sorry. If I'm ever in Toronto I'll give you a ring  :-*

Yeah I was too young to really understand what was going on, but looking back I realize how fucked that whole situation was. The reason the pepper spray got busted out was because the cop saw him throw the pipe, but my dear ol dad wouldn't cop to a search and fought the dude off.
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Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
« Reply #111 on: December 13, 2013, 01:18:21 AM »
To be fair, benji's a thoughtful dude who will sincerely engage people even when they disagree strongly, whereas you were basically a guy who wanted easier access to drugs and had just discovered Radley Balko.

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Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
« Reply #112 on: December 13, 2013, 01:26:00 AM »
well

doesn't everyone want easy access to drugs?
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Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
« Reply #113 on: December 13, 2013, 01:26:58 AM »
Well, my response is unnecessary now, but all I will add is if you were so convinced of the righteousness of your position, you wouldn't have arranged for all of those posts to be erased. :P


Also, at the time, we argued over rather specific points, and, as far as I am concerned, you staked your flag on some rather silly grounds, none of which necessarily had anything to do with what benji is saying today.

And even then, I may simply not have the energy to have it out with benji like I did with you four year ago. ;)
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Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
« Reply #114 on: December 13, 2013, 03:27:06 AM »
Biz, you saying the police force doesn't attract bullies?  Of course it does, just as academia attracts pedants, and it'd be weird if it didn't.

Sure, it attracts bullies. I was just arguing with what I considered unfair generalizing. I've been toying with the idea of law enforcement and got a little defensive, I suppose. :(

Well, QED.

God DAMN. I barked laughter at that.

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Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
« Reply #115 on: December 13, 2013, 03:59:21 AM »
Cheers fellers. And also, thanks for the story Boogie.

My complaints are more with the system and what I view as the dominant culture more than anything to do with any individual officer or persons, even the bad apples. But I tend to be that way, so it's probably my biases showing.

Personally, I've found Michigan State Police to be for the most part sane and rational, with the locals and university cops being the ones who run the gamut. Since I've been around universities forever I've found their police tend to be strict in enforcement but generally pleasant, with the terrors being the "townie" forces from the surrounding areas.* Larger city police forces being where you more often can tell just by looking at them who's corrupt and/or ready to beat the shit out of some homeless dude. Tribe police forces are either really laid back or pissed at Andrew Jackson still.

*Once saw twelve town and county cars pull into my apartment complex down the way, all of them spilled out cops who went chasing after underage drinkers towards a small forest trying to tackle and handcuff them. After they were bitching to each other because the State Police post down the road "didn't provide backup" for the operation. Like an hour later a State Police car drove around the complex once and left without stopping. There was significant antagonism among the forces in this area because you had State, two separate counties, Tribe, Town, and University Police and they would constantly ally against each other. The town/city force tried to get ordinances passed saying they were always the top dog with their chief in charge of everything. Slightly amusing. :cop

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Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
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Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
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Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
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Re: How do you feel about Police/Pigs/Five-O?
« Reply #119 on: December 14, 2013, 09:29:18 AM »
Was taught to hate them growing up...

Moved my family to a nice mid-upper class town...got pulled over weekly for a year....hated them

Now I like my local guys but atleast once a year I get yoked up for driving a german car while colored. PD knows.what I mean.
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