THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Human Snorenado on September 04, 2013, 06:32:55 PM
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WELL THEN
http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/09/04/why-pc-gaming-has-exploded
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:beli
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:obama
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PC's have been around longer than consoles, you could argue they've always been somewhat redundant.
Garbage article.
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An IGN article? Really?
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PC's have been around longer than consoles, you could argue they've always been somewhat redundant.
Garbage article.
Solid reasoning from the forum member most likely to cry themselves to sleep over the death of console/handheld gaming
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:lol Nice one.
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Is the growth for PC gaming mainly centered in non-traditional markets like China, Eastern Europe, Korea... or is it also growing in the west/Japan?
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does the pc have puzzle & dragons? no? then we know who's losing :obama
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PC is saving us from the PAD money pit.
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it's cute the pctards think console/handheld gaming is dying at the tip of their swords and not due to the competition whose arrival actually lines up with the market decline.
Exactly.
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PC might have not caused the decline, but both new consoles are now dribbling at the teat. the big sell of the PS4 is "look how easy it is to dump your steam shit on here" and now they're getting in on the VR game despite the chances of the console shitting itself the first time it has to render at stereo 1080p.
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To be fair, the vr machine should be usable on more than ps4 right?
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it's cute the pctards think console/handheld gaming is dying at the tip of their swords and not due to the competition whose arrival actually lines up with the market decline.
I can see a viable future for relevant pc gaming in a tablet/phone world. Can you say the same for consoles and dedicated handhelds?
I don't particularly care who drowns the distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, as long as I get to piss on the body.
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You do realize that a majority of the games that people are playing on pc these days are console ports, right? And if console gaming dries up, that means less console ports. Less console ports means less reason for people to play on pc. Which creates a smaller audience for indie games to be successful. Which results in even lower pc audience numbers.
This is not black and white. PC gaming is in this position it is now precisely BECAUSE they've made it easier to play big console titles. You're playing Saints Row IV, a game developed for console, right now, on your pc. PC gaming and console gaming are two of the same coin, and both feed off of each other. Anyone with sense has realized that by now. You'd come to terms with this if not for your pathetic system wars posturing. A game like Spelunky, or Guacamelee, or big ones like GTA are released on consoles first, then later on pc. Some pc titles, mostly the indie ones, and some of the big ones like Diablo III come to come to console because there is now an audience for that kind of thing.
Both audiences overlap and both platforms - pc and console - can't live without the other. If console gaming dries up, that very fucking second, pc gaming will be drying up along with it.
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...I still get to see consoles die first and taste the tears of the console-tards, right?
:yeshrug
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You do realize that a majority of the games that people are playing on pc these days are console ports, right? And if console gaming dries up, that means less console ports. Less console ports means less reason for people to play on pc. Which creates a smaller audience for indie games to be successful. Which results in even lower pc audience numbers.
This is not black and white. PC gaming is in this position it is now precisely BECAUSE they've made it easier to play big console titles. You're playing Saints Row IV, a game developed for console, right now, on your pc. PC gaming and console gaming are two of the same coin, and both feed off of each other. Anyone with sense has realized that by now. You'd come to terms with this if not for your pathetic system wars posturing. A game like Spelunky, or Guacamelee, or big ones like GTA are released on consoles first, then later on pc. Some pc titles, mostly the indie ones, and some of the big ones like Diablo III come to come to console because there is now an audience for that kind of thing.
Both audiences overlap and both platforms - pc and console - can't live without the other. If console gaming dries up, that very fucking second, pc gaming will be drying up along with it.
155,619 484,222 Dota 2
59,222 118,302 Total War: ROME II
43,167 57,381 Team Fortress 2
31,533 38,744 Sid Meier's Civilization V
27,918 28,020 Garry's Mod
23,579 59,594 Football Manager 2013
22,912 43,608 Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
20,983 31,280 The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
12,924 15,383 Borderlands 2
12,476 19,488 PAYDAY 2
console domination.
i mean, going through the steam top 100. maybe a fifth of them wouldn't be feasible without consoles to eat up the majority of the sales and two-thirds have little/no presence on consoles at all.
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Here's the full list:
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
A great amount of these games are console games.
My post mentions nothing of console domination. However, console games are a big part of the modern pc platform.
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Here's the full list:
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
A great amount of these games are console games.
My post mentions nothing of console domination. However, console games are a big part of the modern pc platform.
going through the list, maybe a fifth of them wouldn't be feasible without consoles to eat up the majority of the sales and atleast two-thirds presently have little/no presence on consoles at all.
it'd be a big shake up and would surely cause a reassessment of giant content tourism titles. but who knows, the vacuum it would surely create might even be beneficial for the industry.
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PCs are always going to be a good investment for gaming. Thanks to emulation, you have thousands of great games that you will never have time to play in your lifetime.
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Here's the full list:
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
A great amount of these games are console games.
My post mentions nothing of console domination. However, console games are a big part of the modern pc platform.
going through the list, maybe a fifth of them wouldn't be feasible without consoles to eat up the majority of the sales and atleast two-thirds presently have little/no presence on consoles at all.
it'd be a big shake up and would surely cause a reassessment of giant content tourism titles. but who knows, the vacuum it would surely create might even be beneficial for the industry.
Notice the trend. The games you posted that are for PC or made for PC are.mostly if not all known for the multi player. However most of the big releases on PC this year are console ports: Bioshock Infinite, Saints Row IV, Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon, Tomb Raider. This doesn't mean console games don't have much presence on steam. They do, it is just that they're mostly single player titles and for that reason won't have the legs like say, DOTA. Look at that list the next time a big console port hits steam, like GTAV or some shit.
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Even if an individual game on the list is PC only, that publisher is likely still making money selling other games on consoles.
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Here's the full list:
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
A great amount of these games are console games.
My post mentions nothing of console domination. However, console games are a big part of the modern pc platform.
going through the list, maybe a fifth of them wouldn't be feasible without consoles to eat up the majority of the sales and atleast two-thirds presently have little/no presence on consoles at all.
it'd be a big shake up and would surely cause a reassessment of giant content tourism titles. but who knows, the vacuum it would surely create might even be beneficial for the industry.
Notice the trend. The games you posted that are for PC or made for PC are.mostly if not all known for the multi player. However most of the big releases on PC this year are console ports: Bioshock Infinite, Saints Row IV, Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon, Tomb Raider, Payday 2. This doesn't mean console games don't have much presence on steam. They do, it is just that they're mostly single player titles and for that reason won't have the legs like say, DOTA. Look at that list the next time a big console port hits steam, like GTAV or some shit.
total war, civ , garry's mod, and football manager are known for their multiplayer?
of all those games you listed, the only two to break 30k on launch day were bioshock infinite and payday 2. the first of which comes from a developer with a big PC lineage and i'd argue they could make a more focused experience for a third of the budget which would probably go down even better with PC pedants, the kind of experience which payday 2 is a perfect example of.
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One console future.
Amazon
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i don't need an IGN article to tell me PC rock and consoles suck
:rejoice
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Football Manager 14 is going to be so awesome
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Even if an individual game on the list is PC only, that publisher is likely still making money selling other games on consoles.
That's a good point.
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Head walk you're right on a lot of points. But you still won't concede that console games are still a big part of modern PC gaming appeal? For me it is because I can buy the game for cheaper and on a better platform. I'm not sure I'd play PC games nearly as much if they suddenly got less console games.
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I think you're wrong in looking at them as "pc games" and "console games."
In the future, it's just gonna be "games"
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Head walk you're right on a lot of points. But you still won't concede that console games are still a big part of modern PC gaming appeal? For me it is because I can buy the game for cheaper and on a better platform. I'm not sure I'd play PC games nearly as much if they suddenly got less console games.
oh sure, but what i'm saying is that the console++ function is just another bullet point on a very long list. it's in bold, and to a not insignificant number is the reason to throw your kids' college money at a new titan or two, but i don't think its mandatory to the continued relevance of the platform.
i'm talking about the hypothetical here where the home console business goes south. as things stand, i agree that getting PC versions of multiplats is a big deal for the platform's increasing intrusion in to the mass market mindspace and it would be a major blow if for some reason that course is reversed.
i think there's a part of me which just wants to see what happens to the scattered talent should the AAA/ proprietary console model suddenly go away. they can't all go to mobile development, and i can't help but feel those who remain would be doing things more relevant to my claw wristed interests. but that's an extremely egocentric view, more suited for bullish forum speculation than reality.
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Well, to be fair:
Provided you're not wild about jumping into exclusives like Forza 5 or Infamous: Second Son, it's looking more and more like you won't be left too far behind if you decide to skip the upcoming console generation altogether.
Is right. If you don't give a damn about platform exclusives, you're pretty much better off on PC outside of certain genres that are maybe slowly coming around on it (read: fighters, and possibly JRPGs?). Most third parties are porting things to PC now.
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I like them both. With PC, I get games for $20 4 months later. With Consoles, I get to trade in or sell shit after I'm done (or if I hate it) and partially fund the next game. For a cheap scavenger such as myself, it is the best of times.
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I think a console is still required for any fan of japanese games.
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football manager and total war are sega. they ain't gonna be keeping their lights on by pc alone.
luckily, they've intelligently made major moves into smartphones/tablets. so pc boys will still get their table scraps.
do you like any gaming?
(just joking around because i see you shitting on pc and shitting on the ftp garbage that supports a lot of mobile games)
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I think a handheld is still required for any fan of japanese games.
Fixed.
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I think a handheld is still required for any fan of japanese games.
Fixed.
Consoles and handhelds, really.
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Fortunately for me, Bethesda rpgs, arpgs and other time sink bullshit should keep getting made, and hopefully the Obsidian kickstarter turns out ok.
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155,619 484,222 Dota 2
59,222 118,302 Total War: ROME II
43,167 57,381 Team Fortress 2
31,533 38,744 Sid Meier's Civilization V
27,918 28,020 Garry's Mod
23,579 59,594 Football Manager 2013
22,912 43,608 Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
20,983 31,280 The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
12,924 15,383 Borderlands 2
12,476 19,488 PAYDAY 2
console domination.
i mean, going through the steam top 100. maybe a fifth of them wouldn't be feasible without consoles to eat up the majority of the sales and two-thirds have little/no presence on consoles at all.
You do realise that is missing a build of FTP games like League Of Legends which has like 2 million players at any one time. Heck it doesnt even have guild wars. And it is a bit disingenuous to post players playing online to what console players are doing without a list for consoles too.
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Oh. My bad.
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I think you're wrong in looking at them as "pc games" and "console games."
In the future, it's just gonna be "games"
actually in the future its gonna be "no games"
because every publisher and dev that relies on console money (aka most anyone with a name worth remembering) is gonna go back to the days of skeleton crews working out of basements and dorm rooms
i think there's a part of me which just wants to see what happens to the scattered talent should the AAA/ proprietary console model suddenly go away. they can't all go to mobile development, and i can't help but feel those who remain would be doing things more relevant to my claw wristed interests. but that's an extremely egocentric view, more suited for bullish forum speculation than reality.
i'd guess that a lot of people are gonna take their talents to more stable industries
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at least mac gaming is safe :pimp
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because every publisher and dev that relies on console money (aka most anyone with a name worth remembering) is gonna go back to the days of skeleton crews working out of basements and dorm rooms
I actually... wouldn't mind that. It'd be like indies without the pretentious-smug-asshole of the 80's/90's.
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indies without pretention? have you played any indie games from the past few years??
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Just two. :'( Indies of this era don't have the "magic" that "AAA"/"indies of the 80's/90's" had for me.
If we go back to an era of Gauntlet (okay, maybe not that game) but more "game" focused games with a few smatterings of "movie" games, I'd be fine with that. Less fingers in the pie, the more I can keep track of stuff that I may/may not want to play.
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I'd say Indie games are far less pretentious than AAA today. I have no clue what you're even talking about.
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I'd say Indie games are far less pretentious than AAA today. I have no clue what you're even talking about.
Phil Fish and Jonathan Blow. The whole "hoity-toity" high-art-for-arts-sake mindview that some indies have, rubs me the wrong way.
"Indie"/Garage Scene of the 80's/90's kinda reminds me of garage bands in the 60's/70's. It's hard to explain.
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Like, those are only two guys. AAA game makers do the same shit with Bioshock and crap and are far more numerous. You just happened to pick the two most prominent indie devs. Congrats.
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Right but it isn't just them. There's this "culture" of "OMG INDIES ARE SAVING GAMING" going around when all I see are clones or 8-bit remakes of titles from the past to where I don't get that feeling.
My feelings are more that early 80/90's is a punk-garage-scene where you discovered new things while the "new indie movement" these days is like a tribute band. Terrible analogy and you probably won't get my feelings on it or understand but that's the way it feels to me.
If we can go back to the era where someone like a 14-16-year-old CliffyB makes a Jazz Jackrabbit and can get it published by a "small-mid" publisher, I'm for that. Indies right now struggle with getting their games out there and then when they do they have this community that is "hipster"ish in a "oh we played it before they sold out/got a publishing deal" type thing going on.
I just want a "hey there's this new game and it's kinda awesome!"-discovery type of thing. :-\
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The indie games that get the most attention from the press tend to be the ones with pretensions, with few exceptions, like FTL.
I just want a "hey there's this new game and it's kinda awesome!"-discovery type of thing. :-\
You can have that if you stop reading game sites and just look at the new releases on Steam.
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Right but it isn't just them. There's this "culture" of "OMG INDIES ARE SAVING GAMING" going around when all I see are clones or 8-bit remakes of titles from the past to where I don't get that feeling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=617lGZjYyNo
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The indie games that get the most attention from the press tend to be the ones with pretensions, with few exceptions, like FTL.
I just want a "hey there's this new game and it's kinda awesome!"-discovery type of thing. :-\
You can have that if you stop reading game sites and just look at the new releases on Steam.
Or recently funded Kickstarters.
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Right but it isn't just them. There's this "culture" of "OMG INDIES ARE SAVING GAMING" going around when all I see are clones or 8-bit remakes of titles from the past to where I don't get that feeling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=617lGZjYyNo
hahah incredible
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Right but it isn't just them. There's this "culture" of "OMG INDIES ARE SAVING GAMING" going around when all I see are clones or 8-bit remakes of titles from the past to where I don't get that feeling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=617lGZjYyNo
Mountain Dew :lol
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actually in the future its gonna be "no games"
because every publisher and dev that relies on console money (aka most anyone with a name worth remembering) is gonna go back to the days of skeleton crews working out of basements and dorm rooms
something something Kickstarter :smug
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Rumbler, shut the fuck up. :comeon
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If KS is hugely successful now, you think it won't be when the major consoles makers are collapsed into a heap of rubble and 9/10 publishers are mobile-exclusive?
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when the nostalgia fumes dry up and the console money goes away, kickstarters gonna be a much harder sell
also
creating a studio whos entire future is based around the success of kickstarter :gurl
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Right but it isn't just them. There's this "culture" of "OMG INDIES ARE SAVING GAMING" going around when all I see are clones or 8-bit remakes of titles from the past to where I don't get that feeling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=617lGZjYyNo
:lol
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when the nostalgia fumes dry up and the console money goes away, kickstarters gonna be a much harder sell
Nostalgia fumes are going to be absolutely suffocating when consoles don't exist and 95% of games are pay-to-win mobile affairs. People are already desperate for types of games that don't exist anymore, and that's with a "healthy" games market.
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Like, those are only two guys. AAA game makers do the same shit with Bioshock and crap and are far more numerous. You just happened to pick the two most prominent indie devs. Congrats.
Not just prominent, but largely only known for being very vocal and even antagonistic.
There are plenty of success cases out there where the creators aren't trying to turn themselves into celebrities through loudmouthed contrarianism.
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I think a console is still required for any fan of japanese games.
Is it though. It seems more and more Japanese developers are porting their stuff to PC as well.
I mean fucking King of Fighters XIII is coming to steam. So is Deadly Premonition. I see Namco and Capcom will probably keep going and it even looks like FFXV may come out on PC.
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When I get persona, musou, and final fantasy on PC that's when I stop buying consoles. Until then I'm going to keep doing it.
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final fantasy on PC
http://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-XIV-Realm-Reborn-Pc/dp/B008SBZD9G
http://store.steampowered.com/app/39140/
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Don't link an mmo or a re-release of a decade old pc version, Rumbler. Please. Just no. :gurl
If FFXV is on Steam, then we'll talk. Until then.
(http://images.wikia.com/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/c/c0/Talk_to_the_hand.jpg)
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:heh
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:lol
#HimuSass
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:lol I remember the days when FF games mattered to me.
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Asked for a psx because of FF7
Got a ps2 for FFX
Got a ps3 for FFXIII
Got a psp for Crisis Core
:fbm
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:sabu
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no ps2 for lament of innocence? :smug
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I bought a gba for Aria of Sorrow and a Ds for Dawn of Sorrow. I know your love, just not as much but I understand it.
My list:
Genesis - I asked for a Super Nintendo. :yeshrug
Game Gear - portable Fatal Fury and Sonic. Fatal Fury GG remains one of the handheld fighters. Sonic GG sucked.
Game Boy - Wario Land 1
Psx - FF7
N64 - OoT
Saturn - Panzer Dragoon
Ps2 - FFX
Gba - Aria
Cube - Metroid Prime and Wind Waker
Xbox - Panzer Dragoon Orta
PSP Crisis Core
360 - GTAIV
Wii - Twilight Princess and hype
Ds - Dawn of Sorrow
Ps3 - FFXIII
3ds - SMTIV
Getting ps4 for FFXV.
Never bought a Dream cast. Mupepe gave me his in 2006.
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nah, got the ps2 on launch day, for work purposes. ditto on the dreamcast. genesis was bought for gunstar heroes. game gear was bought for shinobi. gbc for tetris dx. neo pocket color for snk vs capcom. saturn for virtua fighter 2. gamecube for mario sunshine. xbox for halo. 360 for geometry wars. wii for zelda tp. ps3 for yakuza 3. 3ds cuz hype. vita for Ys, wipeout, and a probable yakuza title.
lament wasn't great, but i'd buy a console for it before i'd buy a console for lords of blah-dow.
MercurySteam's shame really has no end.
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didn't lament come out in like 2003 anyways? why in the world would andrex think someone would being buying their first ps2 in 2003
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didn't lament come out in like 2003 anyways? why in the world would andrex think someone would being buying their first ps2 in 2003
why indeed
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NES - my first system
Genesis - Phantasy Star 2 and 3
SNES - Final Fantasy 4
PS1 - Final Fantasy 7
PS2 - Final Fantasy 10, Metal Gear Solid 2
Dreamcast - Skies of Arcadia, Phantasy Star Online
Gamecube - Super Smash Bros Melee
Wii - Twilight Princess
Wii U - I really don't have a fucking clue (bought it before the announcement of X)
PS4 - probably FF15
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For games that sold me, the main thing I come up with is how important Halo had been to my Xbox purchases, and how irrelevant it's become. Can't think of another series that I bought consoles for.
maybe Elder Scrolls/Fallout, for upgrading PC hardware.
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I always need at least a handful of games to justify a platform. The only time I jumped in sight unseen was the PS2, which eventually paid off massively, but it was slow to start.
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Of course, on my list there are other hidden games. For psx there were Crash games, Tekken, Ridge Racer that I wanted. For ps2 there was MGS2, DMC, GTAIII;etc I never buy a system for one game, the only exception being the Wii for TP - it was also my first launch console. I'm talking about that one game that you NEEDED which takes that system from 'want' to 'NEED' and is the main reason you're buying that system.
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Hmm...
NES- just to have. Got it the year everyone else got one for Crimmus
Genesis- I honestly think it was because it had the version of MK II with blood. What? I was that age.
N64- Ocarina of Time
PSX- Probably Resident Evil/RE2. Also because it had a lot of games on it and the N64 didn't really have shit. (a pattern emerges!)
Dreamast- Soul Calibur 2. Launch day, bitches.
PS2- GTA3
Xbox- Halo (after launch)
GCN- Metroid Prime :yuck
X360- Fallout 3
PS3- Bladerunner blu-ray
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I can understand not liking 2 and 3, but I'll never understand the Metroid Prime 1 hate...
amazing atmosphere
one of the greatest game soundtracks
solid controls
near endless exploration
:rejoice
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HOT LOCK ON ACTION
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how do you not buy a 360 for dead rising I don't even...
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NES first system, went to a younger cousins house, spoiled brat we were my brother and I dropped off in his room so the adults can hang out and we saw him playing the NES, I was like mind officially blown I don't think I even saw a video game up until that point he was playing zelda so that's the game that sold me.
SNES We just wanted one because it was 16bit
N64 Mario64
PC My family got a gaming capable PC, I saw the master race light :rejoice
PSX I got it with my own money, having a jerb :aah
GC REmake
Xbox Halo
PS2 Just cuz
Current gen consoles, and a gamecube turbo, sold them and went PC only.
Next Gen I'm going PC/Tablets
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PS2-Grand Theft Auto 3
GameCube-Resident Evil 4
Xbox-Halo 2
Xbox 360-Dead or Alive 4
PS3-Metal Gear Solid 4/Final Fantasy XIII
Wii-No More Heroes
Will probably get a PS4 for BF4 at launch and for 15 and MGS 5 latter.
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how do you not buy a 360 for dead rising I don't even...
Well DR WAS the first 360 game I bought along with Blue Dragon. :p