THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Great Rumbler on September 19, 2013, 02:00:17 PM
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It's an iOS exclusive! :heh
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For all the iOS games coming from Japanese developers, there still isn't a Super Robot Wars title. I've got SD Gundam G Generation Touch, but it's not the same.
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For all the iOS games coming from Japanese developers, there still isn't a Super Robot Wars title. I've got SD Gundam G Generation Touch, but it's not the same.
Strange considering turn based strategy is a better fit on touch devices than action games.
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For all the iOS games coming from Japanese developers, there still isn't a Super Robot Wars title. I've got SD Gundam G Generation Touch, but it's not the same.
Strange considering turn based strategy is a better fit than action games on touch devices.
Yeah, it is strange. SD Gundam G Gen works really well on the iPhone.
edit: And it's not working with iOS 7. Crap.
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I'm down if and only if it has controller support. Touch screen games are shit and will always be shit. Now that controller support is in iOS 7, there's no excuses not to include it.
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Yes it is odd when turn based games and touch devices fit together really well, which seems to be the genre most raged about.
Apple should have jumped on an official controller attachment earlier, though.
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Rumbler, turn based rpgs are fucking dead - for the most part - and it's very likely this will be better than Shadowrun Returns so what's there to complain about?
If anything, more devs putting games I want on smartphones is a good thing because it gives me more games to play on those devices. More games to play is a good thing, isn't it?
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yeah, it's a weird landscape to be in to be quite honest - i think there's a denial phase that some people fight against for varying lengths of time but , basically, if you can't find a game or 50 that you like on iOS then you're simply not trying.
That said - there's still -that thing- in the back of your head : it's lovely having cave shmups on the phone but the new projects coming direct to iOS , whilst it all makes sense financially and it's certainly better than these companies dying, is a reality that people just don't want to accept. Hands up - I struggle with it - i would rather see games on a platform with traditional controls on a game by game basis of course - some games work much better with touch of course, some don't.
But hey - controller support in iOS7 sounds like it could be great - though have to admit if my iphone 4S starts running like sh1t after upgrading and they fail to address that as per reports then i'm giving apple the finger.
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Bug Princess 2 on iPad :bow2
I know the stalwarts whine about analog input making the games easier, but it feels fun and natural to play so ain't no harm imo.
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well, the other factor is that -real- stalwarts have, at least, an X360 to play these games on and, for the real players, a supergun/arcade machine and the boards themselves.
You have to look at them for what they are : extremely good versions of cave games with alternate control schemes that are fun to play in their own right. Cave did a fantastic job on the iOS games, really top notch stuff.
Again, the difficulty is that the shmup arm of Cave is pretty much dead with the departure of key staff and the traditional shmup market place is also not in the healthiest of states - it's great that they can pump out a few iOS games and fill up the coffers a bit but the lack of arcade/home -traditional- games still smarts for those invested in that side of the hobby.
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The irony of the mobile situation is this:
people (like me) complained there was a lack of interesting or quality software enough to make me invested in the mobile environment.
big, big companies are starting to cater to that demo by releasing cool looking games. people still bitch.
damned if you do, damned if you don't.
But I think this is a good thing and I'm a historically loud cynic towards mobile games to the point where I fully plan on getting an ipad for christmas.
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If anything, more devs putting games I want on smartphones is a good thing because it gives me more games to play on those devices. More games to play is a good thing, isn't it?
I don't mind games coming out in iOS. I do mind games not coming to a hardware platform with buttons.
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You're talking about an Japanese rpg, right?
Yeah, man, jrpgs are so totally known for their need for precise controls and reflexes!
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it's a whole new platform with a huge ecosystem of games - once you cast away the brainfart barrier to entry that gamers inadvertently throw up then it's a huge growing stream of funtime.
I would also like to add, just in case anyone notices, that the games like Farmville etc that showup on my profile are actually being played by my eldest son. Those sort of games aren't for me but he seems to love them.
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Hey, I made a thread asking for people to tell me about great Android games. You know what recommendations I got? Puzzles & Dragons. And that was it. So don't get all high and might on me now!
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Hey, I made a thread asking for people to tell me about great Android games. You know what recommendations I got? Puzzles & Dragons. And that was it. So don't get all high and might on me now!
That's all you need, though :jawalrus
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I'd be fine with mobile gaming if I could just pay a flat fee for the game. Charge me $50, I don't care. I just hate IAP/play to win bullshit.
Case in point. SD Gundam G Generation Touch on the iPhone is 1,000 yen for the whole game. You don't need to pay anything else. The new SD Gundam game, G Generation Frontier, is "free" to play with an assload of IAP/play to win bullshit. If that's the future, I do not fucking want SRW on the iPhone.
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Right now I'm playing Stick Tennis, Punch Quest, Pegland Deluxe because PopCap doesn't have fucking Peggle on Android, and Terraria.
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Yeah...I got bored of PAD after about maybe a week.
I'd be fine with mobile gaming if I could just pay a flat fee for the game. Charge me $50, I don't care. I just hate IAP/play to win bullshit.
This. I know there are games that don't do IAP, but the vast majority do.
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I'm still playing Mirror's Edge. Why? Because it's fun and I don't have to fucking buy a single extra thing to enjoy it.
Yeah...I got bored of PAD after about maybe a week.
I'd be fine with mobile gaming if I could just pay a flat fee for the game. Charge me $50, I don't care. I just hate IAP/play to win bullshit.
This. I know there are games that don't do IAP, but the vast majority do.
And some devs have actually gone back and turned "flat-rate purchase" games into F2P monstrosities.
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PAD bored me as well. I forgot Bejeweled Blitz. That is fun.
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I don't begrudge any developer on the brink of death for releasing games on iOS (although they sure as hell better make an Android version too. :heh)
It might annoy me when it's a series I'm a fan of, because the games I'm a fan of would be difficult to control well using only touch (MH, Mario, Zelda.)
Pokemans could make the transition fine, I suppose, but I'm perfectly happy with it being on Nintendo hardware for now.
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So is Chaos Rings 2 worth $17? Do I need to play either of the other two games in the series first?
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If Shenmue III were released as an adventure game for tablets in the same manner as Walking Dead, I would be so happy.
Former Breath of Fire dev makes a new jrpg for ios, BoF is long dead, and Rumbler cries.
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I find that due to the fact most mobile game purchasers don't want to pay $1 for a game, the games on the platform tend to be very limited in scope compared to traditional console or handheld RPGs. Lots of reused content, IAP paywalls, extremely grindy gameplay. I prefer to pay a flat rate for a game and be done with it... stuff like All The Bravest with "cooldown" periods where you have to pay if you want to play right away is disgusting.
Oscar, you know my tastes by now. What games do you think I'd enjoy on Android (don't own an IPhone)? Aside from Chaos Rings and FF Dimensions :P
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So is Chaos Rings 2 worth $17?
No. Always wait for S-E stuff on sale.
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Former Breath of Fire dev makes a new jrpg for ios, BoF is long dead, and Rumbler cries.
:yeshrug
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But honestly? Even discounting that it's an iOS exclusive [for now], I can't say that I'm really all that interested in what they showed off of Battle Phantasia.
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well, the other factor is that -real- stalwarts have, at least, an X360 to play these games on and, for the real players, a supergun/arcade machine and the boards themselves.
You have to look at them for what they are : extremely good versions of cave games with alternate control schemes that are fun to play in their own right. Cave did a fantastic job on the iOS games, really top notch stuff.
Again, the difficulty is that the shmup arm of Cave is pretty much dead with the departure of key staff and the traditional shmup market place is also not in the healthiest of states - it's great that they can pump out a few iOS games and fill up the coffers a bit but the lack of arcade/home -traditional- games still smarts for those invested in that side of the hobby.
Certainly. I don't mind paying $90 to import console releases, but that market is dying faster than a mayfly with stage 4 cancer. I would much rather have ios releases than no releases, and with an unhealthy dose of optimism; there might be some fun new mechanics that evolve from the touch stuff. /hopesanddreams
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Hey, I made a thread asking for people to tell me about great Android games. You know what recommendations I got? Puzzles & Dragons. And that was it. So don't get all high and might on me now!
You didn't get Wind Up Knight or Rise of the Blobs? Philistine.
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All the great Android games are the same on iOS - ports of JRPGs ;)
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Hey, I made a thread asking for people to tell me about great Android games. You know what recommendations I got? Puzzles & Dragons. And that was it. So don't get all high and might on me now!
Yeah, not our fault you did the modern equivalent of walking into a room and asking for the best Jaguar games.
At least I can play some of the best JRPGs of all time on my Android tablet. How about that iOS? :smug
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Hey, I made a thread asking for people to tell me about great Android games. You know what recommendations I got? Puzzles & Dragons. And that was it. So don't get all high and might on me now!
Yeah, not our fault you did the modern equivalent of walking into a room and asking for the best Jaguar games.
Seems like most, if not all, of the big IPhone releases eventually make their way to Android.
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PAD bored me as well. I forgot Bejeweled Blitz. That is fun.
I like Bejeweled Blitz. Quick and easy fun and I always do the daily free spin.
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whatever
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They could at least make Battle Phantasia a good iOS game, but I guess not!
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is that based on your playtime with it
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Rumbler you should have a more open mind and think more positive thoughts.
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With his kick starter future crumbling around him, what good thoughts are left?
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the only games that suck with touch controls are 1. the rare ones that use a fake dpad and 2. the ones that have a 3d world and require you to move around, manipulate the cam, and interact with stuff all at the same time. console devs cant even get that right because no one can make a decent camera even in 2013. fortunately there are new creative solution being invented all the time, and there are lots of good games (like jrps!) that easily work around this.
you cant even make the budget/limited scope/recycled content argument anymore because theres lots of great devs putting out full-featured games now.
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if you want good android games that are like console games, get some sqeenix games, get some (a few) EA games, get some gameloft games. hell, go into our ios thread and find some good shit and see if it was ported. there's plenty to find on there that can keep you busy for months
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Rumbler you should have a more open mind and think more positive thoughts.
Aside from the fact that it's directed by the BoF guy, there wasn't much in that video that looked interesting to me. It had lots of fights and lots of cards. Looked like there was an overworld of some kind that was just a simple, static image. Movement looked linear [just forward and backward]. Even if the announced hardware was 3DS and Vita, I'd probably still be about at the same level of disinterest.
Actually, scratch that last line. If it was on 3DS and Vita, there'd actually be a decent chance of it being more like a traditional console JRPG.
With his kick starter future crumbling around him, what good thoughts are left?
lawl
A new KS game came out this week in its full version [Volgarr], two more hit early access beta [Godus and Starlight Inception]. But I guess you were too busy grinding for monsters in PAD to take notice. :heh
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No, I mean, you should be more positive about mobile games. They're the future and here to stay so might as well.
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No, I mean, you should be more positive about mobile games. They're the future and here to stay so might as well.
Hmm...
Nah!
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No, I mean, you should be more positive about mobile games. They're the future and here to stay so might as well.
Being eternally pessimistic about the future is every human's basic right. :usacry
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If there was an iOS app on Steam that let me play iOS games on Steam, I'd probably play some iOS games on Steam I guess. That's about it.
I had more fun lately playing old PS1 games on my Android tablet than any of the new stuff. But that's just the kind of person I am: hopeless and irrational.
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I've always enjoyed ios games. Roughly from the beginning. I was a fairly big poster back in the relatively early days of ios gaming on GAF. I do it far less over here just because.
Yes, the best games on ios/android currently tend to be non-action focused games or games where quick precise twitch movements common to PC and console games are not focused on. And that will always probably be the case for people playing solely on phones on a phone screen. But I think tablets and eventually phone streaming technology to tv will of course change that. We already see the how the future will increasingly move that way now that ios will have controller support. It will be a slow adoption but as the technology rapidly increases it will catch on.
I guess my attitude as I've gotten older is more to see where new technology fits into my lifestyle rather than overly lamenting how things are changing. Because things are always going to be changing. That's life. It's the job of the older technology to maintain and establish their portion of the market so things are hopefully additive rather than just a replacement. Ios gaming has only added to my gaming lifestyle. Not lessened it.
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Most iOS games are pretty shit, why the bitching? Just play the ports. Some iOS games wind up on PC, anyway.
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Is this a TGS-related post? I don't... what? What is this? Did something change?
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I'm mad that they brought back the BoF guy just to make a dull-looking smartphone game.
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With his kick starter future crumbling around him, what good thoughts are left?
lawl
A new KS game came out this week in its full version [Volgarr], two more hit early access beta [Godus and Starlight Inception]. But I guess you were too busy grinding for monsters in PAD to take notice. :heh
you know you've hit rock bottom when a peter molyneux game is in your list war
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Playing Final Fantasy Tactics at my desk on my iPod - ain't even mad :yeshrug
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With his kick starter future crumbling around him, what good thoughts are left?
lawl
A new KS game came out this week in its full version [Volgarr], two more hit early access beta [Godus and Starlight Inception]. But I guess you were too busy grinding for monsters in PAD to take notice. :heh
you know you've hit rock bottom when a peter molyneux game is in your list war
Oh, I forgot, there's also Cognition: An Erica Reed Thriller. That came out this week on Steam after being Kickstarted back in 2011.
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Playing Final Fantasy Tactics at my desk on my iPod - ain't even mad :yeshrug
You're killing videogames! :maf
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And I'm also mad that the mobile platform hasn't spurred a revival of P&C adventure games. I mean, it's great that Simon the Sorcerer and The Last Express have popped up on Android recently, but those are just ports of 20-year-old PC games.
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I do.
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And I'm also mad that the mobile platform hasn't spurred a revival of P&C adventure games. I mean, it's great that Simon the Sorcerer and The Last Express have popped up on Android recently, but those are just ports of 20-year-old PC games.
Why would it revive P&C? I enjoy the genre on the platform, but the small screen really does not do any justice.
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A lot of them would probably get ported to PC, so it would be okay.
Playing Curse of Monkey Island on my tablet is cool, though.
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A lot of them would probably get ported to PC, so it would be okay.
Playing Curse of Monkey Island on my tablet is cool, though.
The Cave is also coming to iOS, isn't it?
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Is there a single decent iOS JRPG that isn't a port? And by "decent" I mean "longer than five hours" and "doesn't have a puzzle battle interface."
I'm perfectly fine with the idea of playing good games on my phone. It's just that native mobile games always seem to be developed with a minimum-resources, minimum-effort, maximum-monetization model so that nothing keeps my attention for longer than 15 minutes total. That, and I'm still not comfortable with touch screen controls for action. I mean, it works well enough for the Cave shooters and Raiden Legacy, but there's something about the transition to mobile that makes them feel like insubstantial, throwaway experiences. Which pretty much describes 99% of mobile games I've played.
The best, most long-lived iOS game I've played is still Game Dev Story (though I realize it's a port from JP featurephones). The best Android games I've played are Dungeon Diary and Pixel Dungeon.
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Is there a single decent iOS JRPG that isn't a port? And by "decent" I mean "longer than five hours" and "doesn't have a puzzle battle interface."
I'm perfectly fine with the idea of playing good games on my phone. It's just that native mobile games always seem to be developed with a minimum-resources, minimum-effort, maximum-monetization model so that nothing keeps my attention for longer than 15 minutes total. That, and I'm still not comfortable with touch screen controls for action. I mean, it works well enough for the Cave shooters and Raiden Legacy, but there's something about the transition to mobile that makes them feel like insubstantial, throwaway experiences. Which pretty much describes 99% of mobile games I've played.
The best, most long-lived iOS game I've played is still Game Dev Story (though I realize it's a port from JP featurephones). The best Android games I've played are Dungeon Diary and Pixel Dungeon.
Isn't there a pretty-good Gameloft Final Fantasy ripoff?
edit: Eternal Legacy
https://itunes.apple.com/US/app/eternal-legacy/id402027104?mt=8
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The future is so bleak for gaming.
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Is there a single decent iOS JRPG that isn't a port? And by "decent" I mean "longer than five hours" and "doesn't have a puzzle battle interface."
Final Fantasy Dimensions
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/final-fantasy-dimensions/id540992837?mt=8
Chaos Rings, Chaos Rings Omega, Chaos Rings 2
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/chaos-rings/id365678365?mt=8
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/chaos-rings-o/id424794827?mt=8
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/chaos-rings-ii/id495153860?mt=8
Adventure Bar Story
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/adventure-bar-story/id489454710?mt=8
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The future is so bleak for what I think of as gaming.
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The future is so bleak for gaming.
I don't feel that way at all. And I'm one one of the older dudes on the board. Darn young cynical people.
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The future is so bleak for what I think of as gaming.
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No shit.
You mean to tell me it's not bleak for those who like iOS gaming or whatnot and it is for those not interested in mobile gaming? Gee, who would've thought?
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waaah i want this type of good game but instead i have to settle for that type of good game
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The future is so bleak for gaming.
There's still time to join the Kickstarter bandwagon!
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Ugh, Kemco pap is definitely not worth playing.
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How is that vampire rpg that square made?
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Ugh, Kemco pap is definitely not worth playing.
there was one of them on psp so i tried it and it was the dullest thing ever,not even at the level of a gba game... think it was called mystic chronicles
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Most of those Kemco games just look like the worst kind of RPG Maker garbage that some kid cranked out in a couple weeks.
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Is there a single decent iOS JRPG that isn't a port? And by "decent" I mean "longer than five hours" and "doesn't have a puzzle battle interface."
I'm perfectly fine with the idea of playing good games on my phone. It's just that native mobile games always seem to be developed with a minimum-resources, minimum-effort, maximum-monetization model so that nothing keeps my attention for longer than 15 minutes total. That, and I'm still not comfortable with touch screen controls for action. I mean, it works well enough for the Cave shooters and Raiden Legacy, but there's something about the transition to mobile that makes them feel like insubstantial, throwaway experiences. Which pretty much describes 99% of mobile games I've played.
The best, most long-lived iOS game I've played is still Game Dev Story (though I realize it's a port from JP featurephones). The best Android games I've played are Dungeon Diary and Pixel Dungeon.
What Demi listed is good. I'd also add Square's Drakerider, though it's a bit unconventional. Unlucky Hero is pretty good. 25 hours long, fairly conventional mechanics but the formation of your party is very important in battles, and bosses are a real fight. It's from the guys who made Across Age, Dragon Odyssey Frane, and a couple of Kemco's RPGs.
Speaking of Kemco, there are a few decent ones in their lineup of monthly releases. Machine Knight and Dark Gate are alright, 15-20 hour affairs. Just be careful with Kemco. There are a few genuine clunkers in their lineup, though mostly it's average stuff.
Didn't Kemco put out the Worst Batman Game Ever?
Ah, yes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_Dark_Tomorrow
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How is that vampire rpg that square made?
It requires online connection, and its basically infinity blade.
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Here's one that isnt JRPG but it's totally Fire Emblem and seems cool.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/partia/id572432485?mt=8
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The future is so bleak for gaming.
The future is so bleak for what I think of as gaming.
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Yeah, I'm not enjoying the uncertainty the game industry is undergoing right now, but this is a transformative, exciting time. We're getting new gameplay; risks are being taken with gameplay which could never get past a board review for a $100M triple-A game, or even a $50M or $20M game. We are seeing new things happening for the first time in ages.
The old cycle was unsustainable, and is in its death throes.
LONG LIVE THE NEW FLESH.
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I'm mostly happy because Steam and Kickstarter. So whatever.
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I'm mostly happy because Steam and Kickstarter. So whatever.
I'ma bag me a wired 360 controller for PC and then be happy.
The future is bleak for that type of gaming pretty much specifically because of the demands of people who want that type of gaming.
Y'all wanted the big budgets, the prettier graphics, the envelope pushing in terms of production values. Well, welcome to your own personal hell. You asked for too much, and now you shall have nothing.
Those people will still get the same three games for this next generation... and then probably nothing, since there won't be any more consoles. :-\
However, larger companies will just transition to putting out the most outrageous looking tablet and iphone games, since that will have the largest install base.
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I'm mostly happy because Steam and Kickstarter. So whatever.
I'ma bag me a wired 360 controller for PC and then be happy.
The 360 controller is one of the best things to happen to PC gaming in the past decade.
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True.
Then there are the Infinity Blade audience, which seemed to signal the onset of AAA Syndrome on mobile, though it is by far not the default mode, which is what plagued console these past years.
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Assuming consoles go away forever and take the AAA games with them, that leaves just a few options:
1. Hardcore gamers stop playing games
2. Hardcore gamers start playing smaller, less expensive mobile games
3. Hardcore gamers demand bigger, more expensive mobile games
1 and 2 just don't seem overly likely to me.
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The future is bleak for that type of gaming pretty much specifically because of the demands of people who want that type of gaming.
Y'all wanted the big budgets, the prettier graphics, the envelope pushing in terms of production values. Well, welcome to your own personal hell. You asked for too much, and now you shall have nothing.
I didn't Oscar. I wanted the Wii to save the industry with low dev costs. The dudebros have doomed us all. :(
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True.
Then there are the Infinity Blade audience, which seemed to signal the onset of AAA Syndrome on mobile, though it is by far not the default mode, which is what plagued console these past years.
Sure, but Infinity Blade, while very successful, pales in comparison to many other games, and apps that try to go Infinity Blade's route have met with far less success. I've no doubt the infection will spread, but the nice thing about iOS gamers being cheapskates is that there's little possibility for that at the moment.
Don't worry, the mobile platformers will be flooded with dudebros soon enough.
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The future is so bleak for gaming.
I don't feel that way at all. And I'm one one of the older dudes on the board. Darn young cynical people.
I think older folks can sometimes actually be more chill about economic/cultural/technical/etc change because they've been through a couple of these kinds of changes/cycles before. Either they break you or they make you stronger
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The future is so bleak for gaming.
Agreed. Good thing I love retro games and have a huge backlog. Not to mention am getting too old that I don't have the time to keep up with every new release anymore.
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Adventure Bar Story
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/adventure-bar-story/id489454710?mt=8
Thanks for recommending this, I picked it up off the Google Play store yesterday and I've been enjoying it.