......I'm lost.And there will be NO ROADS to get you back.
The House will follow regular order and consider a rule that adopts a motion insisting on our last amendment and requesting a conference with the Senate. This will send the CR, our amendment, and our request for a conference back to the Senate.
i generally hate memes, but i can't get enough of doom paul.(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/579/405/078.png)
Yeah, I haven't been following this at all. :(everything is your fault
Someone give me the Cliff Notes version of what's what..
Fuck!Yeah, I haven't been following this at all. :(everything is your fault
Someone give me the Cliff Notes version of what's what..
i generally hate memes, but i can't get enough of doom paul.(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/579/405/078.png)
Government shutdown at midnight unless republicans give up.double post but fuck it
I'm guessing it'll last a few hours, maybe a couple days before they're forced to fold.
Luke Russert @LukeRussert 1m
Reid on going conference: "We will not go to conference with a gun to our head, House has to pass a 6 week CR."
@robertcostaNRO 1m
Reid's rejections of House CRs got under GOP's skin. GOP now saying, OK then, we're sick of you tabling things, we'll force u into conf
@robertcostaNRO 57s
And, as they become more annoyed at Reid, they also become wary of doing any more whipping tonight on another CR round
After blocking Senate Democrats' attempts to start a budget conference 18 times over the past six months, Republicans are now scrambling to start a conference committee with mere minutes to go before a government shutdown.
Sad thing is that this farce won't cost republicans the House. The seats are gerrymandered so much that they'll likely keep them until 2016 or even 2020/next Census.
And definitely gotta give dap to Reid and Obama for holding firm. It's clear republicans thought Obama would cave, and have been completely frustrated by the united front during all this.
The White House Office of Management and Budget has sent a memo to federal agencies informing them the government will shut down at midnight.(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/232/633/205.jpg)
"Unfortunately, we do not have a clear indication that Congress will act in time for the President to sign a Continuing Resolution ... Therefore, agencies should now execute plans for an orderly shutdown due to the absence of appropriations," wrote OMB Director Sylvia Mathews Burwell.
"We urge Congress to act quickly to pass a Continuing Resolution to provide a short-term bridge that ensures sufficient time to pass a budget for the remainder of the fiscal year, and to restore the operation of critical public services and programs that will be impacted by a lapse in appropriations," Burwell added.
It's midnight on the east coast (only coast). What's happening?
Jose Canseco @JoseCanseco
I will bring CansecoCare to Washington and fix this crap if I have to. #yeswecanseco
QuoteJose Canseco @JoseCanseco
I will bring CansecoCare to Washington and fix this crap if I have to. #yeswecanseco
Sad thing is that this farce won't cost republicans the House. The seats are gerrymandered so much that they'll likely keep them until 2016 or even 2020/next Census.
And definitely gotta give dap to Reid and Obama for holding firm. It's clear republicans thought Obama would cave, and have been completely frustrated by the united front during all this.
OK what's going on? And why is it good?
Sad thing is that this farce won't cost republicans the House. The seats are gerrymandered so much that they'll likely keep them until 2016 or even 2020/next Census.
And definitely gotta give dap to Reid and Obama for holding firm. It's clear republicans thought Obama would cave, and have been completely frustrated by the united front during all this.
What can be done about the gerrymandering?
Sad thing is that this farce won't cost republicans the House. The seats are gerrymandered so much that they'll likely keep them until 2016 or even 2020/next Census.
And definitely gotta give dap to Reid and Obama for holding firm. It's clear republicans thought Obama would cave, and have been completely frustrated by the united front during all this.
What can be done about the gerrymandering?
Having independent panels create districts...but the parties won't agree to that IMO.There's also various geometric methods like split-lining: http://rangevoting.org/SplitLR.html
btw brehs if you don't have insurance you can sign up for Obamacare now
https://www.healthcare.gov/
btw brehs if you don't have insurance you can sign up for Obamacare now
https://www.healthcare.gov/
No need, just opened my own unlicensed medical practice and insurance provider.
It's Christmas. You could steal City Hall!btw brehs if you don't have insurance you can sign up for Obamacare now
https://www.healthcare.gov/
No need, just opened my own unlicensed medical practice and insurance provider.
Tricare Prime :rejoice
I only have poverty Tricare Reserve Select.
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Has the free market stepped in with a suitable replacement for our government yet?
WASHINGTON, United States—The typical signs of state failure aren’t evident on the streets of this sleepy capital city. Beret-wearing colonels have not yet taken to the airwaves to declare martial law. Money-changers are not yet buying stacks of useless greenbacks on the street.
But the pleasant autumn weather disguises a government teetering on the brink. Because, at midnight Monday night, the government of this intensely proud and nationalistic people will shut down, a drastic sign of political dysfunction in this moribund republic.
The capital’s rival clans find themselves at an impasse, unable to agree on a measure that will allow the American state to carry out its most basic functions. While the factions have come close to such a shutdown before, opponents of President Barack Obama’s embattled regime now appear prepared to allow the government to be shuttered over opposition to a controversial plan intended to bring the nation’s health care system in line with international standards.
Six years into his rule, Obama’s position can appear confusing, even contradictory. Though the executive retains control of the country’s powerful intelligence service, capable of the extrajudicial execution of the regime’s opponents half a world away, the president’s efforts to govern domestically have been stymied in the legislature by an extremist rump faction of the main opposition party.
The current rebellion has been led by Sen. Ted Cruz, a young fundamentalist lawmaker from the restive Texas region, known in the past as a hotbed of separatist activity. Activity in the legislature ground to a halt last week for a full day as Cruz insisted on performing a time-honored American demonstration of stamina and self-denial, which involved speaking for 21 hours, quoting liberally from science fiction films and children’s books. The gesture drew wide media attention, though its political purpose was unclear to outsiders.
With hours remaining until the government of the world’s richest nation runs out of money, attention now focuses on longtime opposition leader John Boehner, under pressure from both the regime and the radical elements of his own movement, who may be the only political figure with the standing needed to end the standoff.
While the country’s most recent elections were generally considered to be free and fair (despite threats against international observers), the current crisis has raised questions in the international community about the regime’s ability to govern this complex nation of 300 million people, not to mention its vast stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction.
Americans themselves are starting to ask difficult questions as well. As this correspondent’s cab driver put it, while driving down the poorly maintained roads that lead from the airport, “Do these guys have any idea what they’re doing to the country?”
Trillions spent on horrible and wasteful wars, followed by a deregulated financial meltdown and bailout for the people who caused it = nary a whimper
Facilitating a reasonable insurance for people so ill fortune and ill health doesn't bankrupt them to actual death = BURN IT ALL DOWN, STOP PAYING EVERYONE
You know it's not gonna happen anyway so why worry sillies.
Kosma: US policy expert
Has the free market stepped in with a suitable replacement for our government yet?(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Somali_Pirates.jpg)
You know it's not gonna happen anyway so why worry sillies.
Kosma: US policy expert
Sorry I assumed you don't live in a banana republic.
Kind of odd, you think of this time as the most contentious government has ever been, but from 1976-1996 government was shut down 16 seperate times.
Kind of odd, you think of this time as the most contentious government has ever been, but from 1976-1996 government was shut down 16 seperate times.I've heard this several times, and it sounds nice, but there's also a potential sovereign default in the same month! I'd say yes, most contentious government in a long time.
What happens when things are resolved as far as employees are concerned? I would go absolutely crazy if threatened with lack of pay for over two thirds of a working month
I've heard this several times, and it sounds nice, but there's also a potential sovereign default in the same month! I'd say yes, most contentious government in a long time.
I should probably get a loan for a plane ticket and steal a green card or something in Miami, who wants to help Diunx become a post shutdown American?Come to Tejas! I'll vouch for you good buddy!
Didn't the workers who sat home last time end up getting paid? I think they did.QuoteI've heard this several times, and it sounds nice, but there's also a potential sovereign default in the same month! I'd say yes, most contentious government in a long time.
Maybe I'm too jaded now. I just see this all as grandstanding and a way to get media attention. Kind of like the 'fiscal cliff' nonsense that everyone insisted was a real thing. It's all manufactured drama that allows all kinds of people to vent about things.
You are assuming the Republicans will act logically though. :-\
You are assuming the Republicans will act logically though. :-\
Why would they start now?
This summer, a group of well-heeled, influential conservatives, and their standard-bearers on Capitol Hill, began pressuring Republicans to make new appropriations for the government contingent upon Obama agreeing to gut his own healthcare law. It’s hard to say exactly what roles publicity, rudderless rage and strategic obliviousness played in this effort, but it was very obviously doomed from the outset to leave Republicans on the hook for a shutdown while holding Obamacare harmless.http://www.salon.com/2013/09/30/gops_fatal_leadership_failure_the_real_story_behind_the_shutdown/
But Boehner and other GOP leaders did almost nothing to extinguish the campaign and it quickly became a litmus test for dozens of conservative Republicans — a minority of the party, but enough to threaten Boehner’s leadership, and scare more sensible members of the party into believing their careers would be at risk if they moved too quickly to support a straightforward extension of funds for the government.
GETTYSBURG, Pa., Oct. 1 (UPI) --:usacry
A Ku Klux Klan rally scheduled Saturday at the Gettysburg, Pa., National Military Park has been canceled due to the federal government shutdown.
The park is closed, and all permits for special events in October have been rescinded, a park statement said.
That includes two planned weddings and "First Amendment" demonstration of the white supremacist Confederate White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, which received a permit to congregate near Meade's Headquarters on the Gettysburg battlefield grounds during the upcoming weekend, the news website Pennlive.com reported Tuesday.
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Richard Preston, head of the Maryland-based Klan group, said he has people looking into the possibility of holding the rally in Gettysburg's town square, adding he will likely attend a rally Saturday with no more than 10 participants.
He did not mention the number of people expected at the battlefield demonstration.
edit: also, I'm with Cohen. Even during split government periods in the Reagan and Clinton years, some fairly major legislation was passed into law. I don't know that you can quantify "contentious" but there's an aggressive lack of productivity these days that's pretty striking.
The conservative activist who gained fame during the 2012 election for "unskewing" polls favorable to Barack Obama explained this weekend his newest revelation: the president is "actually" gay.http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/unskewedpolls-founder-barack-obama-is-actually-gay
Dean Chambers, founder of UnSkewedPolls.com who now appears to work for The Examiner, said that Newsweek got it wrong when it ran a cover praising Obama for his evolution on gay marriage last year. Obama was not "basically" the nation's first gay president for his progressive stance on the issue, but actually so.
"I do believe that Barack Obama is in fact our first gay president," he wrote. "But I believe this for entirely different reasons. I believe the man actually is gay. Don't tell me his marriage to Michelle and having two children disproves that he's gay."
In the article, Chambers cites various sources claiming to show Barack Obama's closeted life in Chicago as a state senator. He takes it even a step further, however, in defending Obama's Christian faith by arguing that people of Muslim faith "are known to stone someone for being gay."
"Would you be a Muslim if it put you as risk for being killed because of your lifestyle choices?" he asks.
Gay Muslim Atheist. Quite the combo.
:kobeyuckGay Muslim Atheist. Quite the combo.
But is he a Final Fantasy tard?
"I do believe that Barack Obama is in fact our first gay president," he wrote.James Buchanan has a sad.
Decided to see how things were going in Glen Beckistan, and I got this:
Joe Biden photographed holding a document that says Top-Secret on the cover (and nothing else) OMG MAJOR GAFFE!! (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/01/another-biden-gaffe-this-time-its-visual-not-verbal/)
Unskewed Sexuality
Washington correspondent for The New Yorker Ryan Lizza said Boehner has to bring Republicans some concession – the medical device tax, or a shorter delay of the individual mandate, for example – if he wants to preserve his job.
In other words, Boehner cannot put forward a bill that funds the government, without some sort of Obamacare concession attached.
“The consensus seems to be that if he puts a clean continuing resolution on the floor, and gets no concessions whatsoever after shutting down the government, that he will lose his job as Speaker,” said Lizza. “That’s the bind he’s in right now.”
Based on my latest conversations with insiders, their plan isn’t to eventually whip Republicans toward a clean CR and back down after a few days of messaging the shutdown, as some have believed; it’s to keep fighting, and, in the process, preserve the House GOP’s fragile unity — and maybe, if they’re lucky, win a concession from Senate majority leader Harry Reid.
But that unity, more than anything, is critical for Boehner, especially as the debt limit nears. Per his allies, his fear is, if he brings up a clean CR, he’d be seen as conceding to Reid, who’s seen as the villain of villains within the House GOP. Thirty to forty conservatives would likely revolt against such a maneuver, and so would their backers in the conservative movement. In the press, he’d likely be cheered for a profile in courage; within the House, the decision would be seen by his critics on the right as a betrayal of the highest order. There is nothing they detest more than the idea of caving, and Boehner knows that.
Jesus fucking shit, can you imagine someone from the lunatic wing in charge as Speaker during a debt ceiling debate?
THUNDERDOME
Pushing back against Reid and force him to cut a deal is another leadership objective. Behind the scenes, they’re irritated by his daily killing of anything the House passes and are eager to make sure he shares some of the political pain from the shutdown. Many House Republicans believe Senate Democrats are only hanging with Reid on every vote because he has assured them the House GOP will break, and they think if they can incrementally put pressure on Reid’s conference, his grip could be weakened.
You know it's not gonna happen anyway so why worry sillies.
Kosma: US policy expert
I'm not even sure what CR even means.
How much can Boehner actually want this job at this point? Granted, someone becoming Speaker at all is a good indication that they're ambitious beyond reason, but once Romney lost, he had to know his job would be wrangling a bunch of nutjobs who think of him as mildly treasonous, as they careen from one near-disaster to another, without anything to show for it in terms of accomplishments or legacy.
It's like being the Raiders coach. It'll be shitty and you'll have a bad track record by the end of it, but head coaching jobs are so hard to get, you might as well take it.
I'm sick of caving to the right every single time. Good job.Yeah, I want to take it a step further.
The default has already shutdown NeoGAF. Thanks, Obama!
The default has already shutdown NeoGAF. Thanks, Obama!
Republicans continue to save Obama's ass :lolI've been getting that damn "verification system is down" message for 16 fucking days :( The worst part is that I have to go through the ENTIRE application every day just to find out at the end that it's down. Please tell me as soon as I log in "Hey by the way, our verification system is down so your application can't be processed."
People believe the Obamacare website isn't working due to the shutdown :dead
You have started an application for health coverage, but our verification system is temporarily unavailable. Without completing verification, you cannot submit your application for an eligibility determination.Goddammit!
We will save your information and expect to resolve the problem within 24 hours. When you return, please review your entire application from beginning to end in order to receive your online eligibility results
You can actually just look at it without signing up now
https://www.healthcare.gov/ (click the Start Here button)
Fucking trainwreck though. I've heard calling works, but the site should be working by now. I've heard some people dismissing this as a temporary issue...but this greatly damages the law. The only way Obamacare will work is if enough young people sign up. But if your state hasn't set up its own exchange/website you're pretty much fucked.
Personally I would not have even opened an exchange in Texas, given how obstructionist the government has been there. They're systematically attempting to ruin it.
You can actually just look at it without signing up nowWell son of a fucking bitch. I've been trying every day multiple times a day. Thanks a lot, man! :) Prices are a hell of a lot cheaper than I thought.
https://www.healthcare.gov/ (click the Start Here button)
Fucking trainwreck though. I've heard calling works, but the site should be working by now. I've heard some people dismissing this as a temporary issue...but this greatly damages the law. The only way Obamacare will work is if enough young people sign up. But if your state hasn't set up its own exchange/website you're pretty much fucked.
Personally I would not have even opened an exchange in Texas, given how obstructionist the government has been there. They're systematically attempting to ruin it.
You can actually just look at it without signing up now
https://www.healthcare.gov/ (click the Start Here button)
Fucking trainwreck though. I've heard calling works, but the site should be working by now. I've heard some people dismissing this as a temporary issue...but this greatly damages the law. The only way Obamacare will work is if enough young people sign up. But if your state hasn't set up its own exchange/website you're pretty much fucked.
Personally I would not have even opened an exchange in Texas, given how obstructionist the government has been there. They're systematically attempting to ruin it.
It is a trainwreck, but I think it's one outside the scope of what was predicted (though, perhaps it should have been predicted...) The federal exchange was meant to be a backup to the individual state exchanges. However, fully 34 (!) states opted out of creating their own exchanges. So there's a huge burden at the federal level that was not anticipated.
That said GET YO SHIT TOGETHER, BARRY
I had to disengage from a converstion where someone was complaining that Obamacare didn't cover their dental and vision :-\
Of course they do. Fuck who doesn't want single payer, except for the wealthy?I'm not wealthy. :(