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Title: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Eschaton on December 05, 2013, 05:08:03 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/05/world/africa/nelson-mandela/
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela passed away
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2013, 05:09:14 PM
RIP Momo
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/75296/more-gloom-and-doom-derb/john-derbyshire
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela passed away
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 05, 2013, 05:10:14 PM
 :'(
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela passed away
Post by: Broseidon on December 05, 2013, 05:14:48 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BawLLhECcAEMvhW.jpg:large)

A great man and one of the greatest Africans.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela passed away
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 05, 2013, 05:20:03 PM
Racism is finally over.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: brob on December 05, 2013, 06:09:48 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/nelson-mandela-becomes-first-politician-to-be-miss,34755/
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2013, 07:06:06 PM
Kinda crazy that Mandela was seemingly one of the few of that era to survive and live a long life. The MLK's, the Kennedy's, the Malcolm's X, etc.

RIP.

Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Broseidon on December 05, 2013, 07:28:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltCtUwcBtd4
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2013, 07:29:15 PM
You guys need to understand the descent into madness. Most people just don't know, and as long as they're safe and warm in their little corner of the world, they don't care either. But here we have a European-style country that's been largely reclaimed by Africa.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: tiesto on December 05, 2013, 08:45:34 PM
(http://www.musicmotion.com/images/3276_l.jpg)

RIP
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Purple Filth on December 05, 2013, 10:44:25 PM
it finally happened  :'(

RIP
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: nudemacusers on December 05, 2013, 10:48:16 PM
fake tweet bro
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: nudemacusers on December 05, 2013, 10:57:37 PM
just letting you know before you post on facebook* and get an embarrassing callout <3


*g+ if you're andrex
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2013, 10:59:20 PM
just letting you know before you post on facebook* and get an embarrassing callout <3


*g+ if you're andrex
Who would be there to call you out if you're Andrex?
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 05, 2013, 11:00:35 PM
He would call himself out?
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 05, 2013, 11:01:59 PM
Simulchump, high-five
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Diunx on December 05, 2013, 11:38:22 PM
Didn't he died earlier in the year?
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2013, 12:10:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l1OWwEwF5A
 :dead
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: fizzel on December 06, 2013, 02:53:33 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/TjaKhD9.png)
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: nudemacusers on December 06, 2013, 02:57:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l1OWwEwF5A
 :dead
hahahah wtf
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 06, 2013, 11:32:43 AM
http://www.thewire.com/politics/2013/12/rick-santorum-hails-mandela-heroes-fighting-injustice-obamacare/355867/

:dead
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 06, 2013, 11:33:34 AM
these fucking assholes
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 06, 2013, 11:50:06 AM
This stuck out at me from Charles Pierce (http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/RIP_Nelson_Mandela)

Quote
Nelson Mandela died yesterday, and he was the last of them, the last of the patriots in a line all the way back to George Washington who fought to rid their native countries of the deadweight of colonialism, who fought for self-determination against the rule of distant, unyielding governments that slid into tyranny without even knowing they were doing it, who fought and won and, in Mandela's case, like Washington, but unlike Michael Collins and so many others, outlived the stifling detritus of dying empires. Nelson Mandela was a reminder of all the others, famous and obscure, who fought the same battle in so many places against so many oppressors, known and unknown. He was the last in their line, the last of them -- people like, to name only one, Ho Chi Minh -- who drew strength and purpose from the deep, lasting echoes of what a group of wealthy merchants and planters -- and, yes, slaveholders -- set loose upon the world in Philadelphia in 1776. What they did was to set freedom itself free, although most of them probably didn't know they were doing it at the time, and many of them would have blanched at the prospect. But the one thing they did, Mr. Jefferson and all of them, was throw out to the world in their magnificent rhetoric a magnificent bluff. Nelson Mandela was the last man who called it in the last place it was called.

All men are created equal.

Endowed with certain inalienable rights.

Self-evident.

Call.

And raise.

That's why it is not a day for carping twerps. It is not a day for remembering the cramped, wretched treatment of Mandela from the likes of Richard Cheney and Ronald Reagan. It is a day, in America, for remembering that, for all our imperfections and for all our loss of faith in our true birthright, that we are in our national soul a revolutionary people, that it was here that was first established in practice the principle later enunciated by another Irish patriot, Charles Stewart Parnell:

"...no man has the right to fix the boundary of a nation. No man has the right to say to his country, "Thus far shalt thou go and no further..."
It is a day for honoring a revolutionary by remembering that we are all children of one of the first revolutions against, as Jefferson once put it, all forms of tyranny over the mind of man.

Mandela's great task was different. He had to wrestle with the primordial hatred of race sharpened to an almost incomprehensibly sharp edge. He had to fight against systematized, mechanized, and weaponized hatred. Instead, in exile and in prison, he decided to create one country out of another. His people were colonized within their own nation. He fought against a kind of internal colonial rule that often was as harsh and bloody than any ever imposed by an outside power. And then when, through the strength of his moral witness, he won his battle, he had to make a new nation out of the suspicious remnants of the old. This was a true revolution of the mind and he was its leader, and he won that revolution on Robben Island long before he won it for all of South Africa. That is what we should remember any more.

There are few colonial nations any more. Instead, we are colonized by financial institutions beyond our political control. We are colonized with pens and papers and millions of little digital bursts transferring billions of dollars all over the globe in the blink of an eye. For the most part, we are not kept colonized with rubber bullets and water cannon -- although there is plenty of that going around these days, as militarized law enforcement all around the world is summoned to do the bidding of major corporations -- but rather through sophisticated financial instruments that keep the money and the power moving upward. There is resistance, as there should be -- the Occupy movement, and what went on in Greece this year -- and that resistance has had its martyrs, like Ken Saro-Wiwa in Nigeria. But it is colonization of a vague and amorphous -- if incredibly powerful -- variety. There are no radio stations to capture, no capitals to fall, no Dublin Castle over which the successful rebels could take command. But it is a revolution of the mind, no less than Mandela's was, and that is also what we should remember today when we remember that we are, in our souls, a revolutionary people. We have a revolutionary history to honor and uphold. Which was what Nelson Mandela did. He reminded us of that which we need to be reminded, over and over again, about our own best selves. He reminded us because he was the last one of them, the last in the line that began with George Washington, the last one to witness what Lincoln called for 150 years ago. He was there for a new birth of freedom.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 06, 2013, 12:08:09 PM
-Popular
-Dead

Meet your new conservative hero. :american
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Broseidon on December 06, 2013, 12:38:25 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/A3eyFXN.jpg)
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Steve Contra on December 06, 2013, 12:51:07 PM
-Popular
-Dead

Meet your new conservative hero. :american
Double points for being

-Black
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: nudemacusers on December 06, 2013, 01:20:11 PM
not only that, but he's a friendly LSB. Won't startle people in dark rooms or hallways.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2013, 01:24:35 PM
-Popular
-Dead

Meet your new conservative hero. :american

:rofl
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Steve Contra on December 06, 2013, 01:25:29 PM
https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/408795404458029057/photo/1/large (https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/408795404458029057/photo/1/large)

I forgot how much the right secretly hates Mandela
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 06, 2013, 01:31:49 PM
https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/408795404458029057/photo/1/large (https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/408795404458029057/photo/1/large)

I forgot how much the right secretly hates Mandela

Who could forget all those great Hollywood movies about Nelson Mandela?  :rejoice
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2013, 01:34:45 PM
https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/408795404458029057/photo/1/large (https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/408795404458029057/photo/1/large)

I forgot how much the right secretly hates Mandela

Let's be real. Many of those arguments, especially the ones that shed light of his violent actions are legitimate criticisms towards Mandela - and trying to rationalize it by telling yourself well hey he's a freedom fighter! - is pretty dumb.  :lenowned
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 06, 2013, 01:40:16 PM
https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/408795404458029057/photo/1/large (https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/408795404458029057/photo/1/large)

I forgot how much the right secretly hates Mandela

Let's be real. Many of those arguments, especially the ones that shed light of his violent actions are legitimate criticisms towards Mandela - and trying to rationalize it by telling yourself well hey he's a freedom fighter! - is pretty dumb.

But let's also be real, if he was white and anti-communist, none of those people would care.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2013, 01:48:51 PM
https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/408795404458029057/photo/1/large (https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/408795404458029057/photo/1/large)

I forgot how much the right secretly hates Mandela

Let's be real. Many of those arguments, especially the ones that shed light of his violent actions are legitimate criticisms towards Mandela - and trying to rationalize it by telling yourself well hey he's a freedom fighter! - is pretty dumb.

Wait, what?
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2013, 01:51:26 PM
:badass

I was just trolling.

Mandela is, like Malcolm X, a case of a revolutionary figure who, over time, changed his ideals and manners of fighting. The fact that people only remember the surge of violence Mandela committed and not the changed man he was after almost 30 years of incarceration is another cute conservative story that paints people who try to change things - especially if they are not white - into evil people and not complicated individuals living in a completely different means. Their lack of empathy single-handedly calls them out for their vapid finger pointing.

Wasn't a good troll, I should have added a coli smilie.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Mandark on December 06, 2013, 01:59:17 PM
It's not even that Mandela changed his ways after decades in prison.  IIRC he only endorsed/encouraged/tolerated guerrilla tactics after years of adopting a nonviolent approach and having it squashed by the force of the South African state.

Though to be honest I'm really not too familiar with the details.  Some Mandela biography or other is getting put on my Guilt-Ridden Reading List (only took me a decade or so to do Rise and Fall of the Third Reich!).
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2013, 02:00:59 PM
And can anyone blame him for attempting to topple a tyrannical regime with guerrilla tactics?

remember boys and girls, the only just revolution was the American one.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2013, 02:03:00 PM
The thing that gets me is the utter lack of respect. Here we have, a dude whose resolve ended apartheid in South Africa. Let's bring up totally irrelevant shit because I don't know. The guy just died, was an impactful and influential man the world over, so let's kick shit on his barely cold 95 year old body. I don't even care what they thought of him. The lack of respect is what gets me. Reddit was unreadable yesterday because a bunch of teenagers who googled Nelson Mandela's Wikipedia page contains things that happened during the height of 60's social action. How dare he.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2013, 02:04:36 PM
remember boys and girls, the only just revolution was the American one.

NEWSFEED :sabu
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 06, 2013, 02:04:55 PM
And can anyone blame him for attempting to topple a tyrannical regime with guerrilla tactics?

remember boys and girls, the only just revolution was the American one.

And you can bet at least a few of the people in that Facebook screencap have a Confederate Flag bumper sticker on their truck.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 06, 2013, 02:11:20 PM
You see that, Himu? Now that is a troll.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Mandark on December 06, 2013, 02:12:01 PM
There's also a pretty big dollop of cutesy contrarianism here.  Folks, especially people who argue about shit on the internet, love the idea that they're part of a select few that's educated themselves on the real truth.  You get a surprising amount of people saying the Civil War wasn't really about slavery, even when they have no cultural affinity for the Confederacy, just cause they'd hate to believe the simplistic morality tale they were taught in high school actually wasn't complete BS.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Positive Touch on December 06, 2013, 02:14:48 PM
sorry guys; only white dudes are allowed to use violence to achieve our goals
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2013, 02:15:52 PM
Am I being contrarian when I say,"fuck the alamo?" because I hate the alamo and what it stands for.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 06, 2013, 02:20:58 PM
Am I being contrarian when I say,"fuck the alamo?" because I hate the alamo and what it stands for.

Really? I figured you'd be all over the site where a bunch of arrogant Texans got massacred by some dark-skinned folk.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2013, 02:23:10 PM
I hate the Alamo because it's now a symbol of Texas freedom, and the reason the Texans revolted against Mexico was because they wanted slaves. Mexico said,"no slaves" which was like, their only rule, but we couldn't have that. So we raise a flag, and say,"REMEMBER THE ALAMO AND OUR FIGHT FOR OWNING HUMAN BEINGS" and Texans just go along with it without thinking of its implications.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: fizzel on December 06, 2013, 02:44:29 PM
Mandela lived to see his legacy shat all over.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2013, 03:08:34 PM
There's also a pretty big dollop of cutesy contrarianism here.  Folks, especially people who argue about shit on the internet, love the idea that they're part of a select few that's educated themselves on the real truth.  You get a surprising amount of people saying the Civil War wasn't really about slavery, even when they have no cultural affinity for the Confederacy, just cause they'd hate to believe the simplistic morality tale they were taught in high school actually wasn't complete BS.

I've talked to people who argued - completely seriously - that the only factor that spurred the Civil War was the north raising the south's taxes, "which would have destroyed their economy."

me: but their economy was dominated by slavery...thus abolishing slavery would destroy their economy
him: actually, higher tax rates posed a long term threat because slavery was always temporary, whereas it's hard to lower taxes

The twist? This guy is black.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2013, 03:11:07 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Brehvolution on December 06, 2013, 03:20:31 PM
Wait, so Mandella is a turrist because he kicked the white ruling class out of Africa? Is that what they think?
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Mandark on December 06, 2013, 04:10:28 PM
You guys need to understand the descent into madness. Most people just don't know, and as long as they're safe and warm in their little corner of the world, they don't care either. But here we have a European-style country that's been largely reclaimed by Africa.

How did this post get ignored?

Cause we know benji and recognize when he's quite obviously 'aving a larf.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Brehvolution on December 06, 2013, 04:27:50 PM
Apparently, the fox news website has shut off the ability to comment on any Mandela story because of true colors overflow.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Steve Contra on December 06, 2013, 04:31:43 PM
Apparently, the fox news website has shut off the ability to comment on any Mandella story because of true colors overflow.
Hahahahaha
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Mandark on December 06, 2013, 04:59:38 PM
Yikes, it's true.  I was going to say something about the general shittiness of internet comments, and how it's not all Fox News' fault.

But I checked CNN.com and not only are they still allowing comments, but at least the top voted ones are shockingly reasonable (http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/05/world/africa/nelson-mandela-apartheid/index.html) (with some of the expected awfulness further down).  Meanwhile, the comments on this story (http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2013/12/05/a-great-man-never-bitter-always-leading-and-inspiring/) on Fox News Insider, where they haven't bothered to mute them...
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: benjipwns on December 06, 2013, 05:14:04 PM
You guys need to understand the descent into madness. Most people just don't know, and as long as they're safe and warm in their little corner of the world, they don't care either. But here we have a European-style country that's been largely reclaimed by Africa.

How did this post get ignored?

Cause we know benji and recognize when he's quite obviously 'aving a larf.
:-[
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 06, 2013, 05:53:09 PM
A mutual acquaintance made a good point- right wingers NEED ALL DEM GUNZ in case the GUBMINT needs to be overthrown, right?

 :hitler
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 06, 2013, 05:56:08 PM
A mutual acquaintance made a good point- right wingers NEED ALL DEM GUNZ in case the GUBMINT needs to be overthrown, right?

 :hitler

:neogaf
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: benjipwns on December 06, 2013, 06:07:53 PM
The thing that gets me is the utter lack of respect. Here we have, a dude whose resolve ended apartheid in South Africa. Let's bring up totally irrelevant shit because I don't know. The guy just died, was an impactful and influential man the world over, so let's kick shit on his barely cold 95 year old body. I don't even care what they thought of him. The lack of respect is what gets me. Reddit was unreadable yesterday because a bunch of teenagers who googled Nelson Mandela's Wikipedia page contains things that happened during the height of 60's social action. How dare he.
There's also a pretty big dollop of cutesy contrarianism here.  Folks, especially people who argue about shit on the internet, love the idea that they're part of a select few that's educated themselves on the real truth.  You get a surprising amount of people saying the Civil War wasn't really about slavery, even when they have no cultural affinity for the Confederacy, just cause they'd hate to believe the simplistic morality tale they were taught in high school actually wasn't complete BS.
I think there's a lot of value in this kind of thing to an extent, of course then I'm a fan of revisionist history for revisionist histories sake, but in many cases it's seeking out confirmation bias. Mandela's "relevance" is within living memory far more than a JFK or MLK where people who were kids then, or Lincoln or whoever farther back, get to pretend they always were going to be on that winning, moral, side so there's probably far more lasting and recent politico-cultural hangover from the fights in the 1980s.  And Mandela's Presidency was even sooner and like all administrations there's stuff to criticize there which offers more "cover."

The problem with picking and choosing revisionist history is that you're not going to find an answer you don't want and you're not going to accept circumstances of the era to adjust the evaluation because you live after them and can judge backwards especially in criticizing the allies made and other circumstantial decisions like that. Ghandi is often a good example of this, he was by plenty of accounts kinda a big asshole playing up a persona, his motives and "spirituality" weren't pure benevolence and piety, and he even he admitted that he would have taken up arms in revolution had it not been for the tolerance of the ruling British, but this doesn't diminish decolonizing India or the value of nonviolent resistance as a principle or strategy.

I personally think for Mandela the more important thing to stress, is not the ending of apartheid because his role as a symbol for the effort in the simple narrative has created some god-figure like notions about him that then encourages the counter narrative of him being an adulterous darkie Marxist terrorist (which does a lot to ignore that Soviet and therefore Marxist support was nearly essential to almost all national resistance movements of the era simply out of circumstance) and removes a lot of the nuance as to why the ruling powers gave it up finally, but how he didn't seize power and most importantly that he willingly gave it up. Mandela easily could have become like most every other ruler in the region, though not necessarily through violence initially but like George Washington through sheer popularity, and effectively been ruling until this week. But like Washington he turned that massive potential power down. And that's something that illustrates him personally outside the "grand events" of ending apartheid.

Maybe Boerseun and his friends will be right that South Africa is descending into disaster, but you can't really place that, if it comes to pass, at Mandela's feet. I mean sure you can say if not for him these other jerks like Zuma wouldn't have gained power! But who's to say they aren't currently seizing power through violent means after more years of apartheid and establishing an even worse regime that will descend faster in that alternative universe?

remember boys and girls, the only just revolution was the American one.
Besides, the Loyalists had it coming strutting around town wearing their crown-protected property.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Snake on December 06, 2013, 07:26:10 PM
It's a GAF repost of some angry boer.


edit: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=92568844&postcount=394

Suddenly it's all coming together.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46721226&postcount=28
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 06, 2013, 07:33:58 PM
Bwahahahaa, I'm friends with several WHITE South African people, and they both love the shit out of Mandela.  One of their dads used to do accounting work for Mandela.  Racists gonna be racist, basically.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 06, 2013, 07:45:01 PM
 :paul
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2013, 08:35:16 PM

The Conservative Hammer posted:

TWO QUOTES:

"Resentment is like drinking poison and hoping it kills your enemies."

~NELSON MANDELA, in 1990 after 27 years in prison

"Punish your enemies."

~BARACK OBAMA, in 2012 after 4 years in office as the president the United States


gg folks
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 06, 2013, 08:50:25 PM
Conservatives have made projection into a fine art, and a multi-billion dollar industry.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 06, 2013, 08:52:03 PM
Conservatives lecturing Obama about resentment.  :neogaf
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2013, 08:54:01 PM
The projection industry can't stop won't stop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJgWMI0hch8
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 06, 2013, 08:57:49 PM
Quote
It should come as no surprise that she and Barack have no clue about America's reverence for, nor reference to, our flag, or that both want to eliminate all memorials and ceremonies commemorating the 9/11 attacks.

:neogaf
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2013, 09:05:37 PM
The projection industry can't stop won't stop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJgWMI0hch8

Context plz

Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 06, 2013, 09:11:12 PM
The projection industry can't stop won't stop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJgWMI0hch8

Context plz

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/forflag.asp

And as Snopes points out, lip-reading is not an exact science:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Krz-dyD-UQ
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2013, 09:21:01 PM
That Game of Thrones vid is pretty much the best thing I've seen all week.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2013, 12:00:49 AM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/south-carolina-sheriff-vows-not-to-lower-flag-for-mandela

bets on how hard his dick must be right now, imagining that Obummer will send the feds to forcibly lower the flag
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: benjipwns on December 07, 2013, 12:09:18 AM
He does know that the President's "order" isn't an actual like law or something he has to follow right?
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Brehvolution on December 07, 2013, 12:17:19 AM
Old ties to interests opposite of what Mandela stood for are coming out of the woodwork.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Himu on December 07, 2013, 12:29:55 AM
He does know that the President's "order" isn't an actual like law or something he has to follow right?

Obama is a communist dictator, who knows what he really wants? Fight the power, brother.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: benjipwns on December 07, 2013, 12:34:05 AM
Well yeah, I know that and I fight against the Kenyan Usurper every day including in my sleep, but I just want someone to make sure the sheriff is doing this for publicity and not out of ignorance of the law. (What little rule of it we have left.) Since he's the sheriff and all.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2013, 09:36:51 PM
Quote
As Americans we celebrate the farmers at Lexington and Concord who used force to oppose British tyranny. We praise George Washington for spending eight years in the field fighting the British Army’s dictatorial assault on our freedom.

Patrick Henry said, “Give me liberty or give me death.”

Thomas Jefferson wrote and the Continental Congress adopted that “all men are created equal, and they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

Doesn’t this apply to Nelson Mandela and his people?

Some conservatives say, ah, but he was a communist.

Actually Mandela was raised in a Methodist school, was a devout Christian, turned to communism in desperation only after South Africa was taken over by an extraordinarily racist government determined to eliminate all rights for blacks.

I would ask of his critics: where were some of these conservatives as allies against tyranny? Where were the masses of conservatives opposing Apartheid? In a desperate struggle against an overpowering government, you accept the allies you have just as Washington was grateful for a French monarchy helping him defeat the British.

guess
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Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 07, 2013, 09:45:12 PM
It's nice that Newt occasionally says something intelligent and thoughtful once in a while, to really highlight his willful stupidity on everything else.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Brehvolution on December 09, 2013, 02:25:31 PM
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where were some of these conservatives as allies against tyranny? Where were the masses of conservatives opposing Apartheid?

I'm guessing they were praising white control over black people. The same people who call him a communist and murderer now are the same people who believed conservatives back then saying Mandela was a communist and murderer.  ???
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2013, 12:29:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUGnkF7f3hE
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2013, 12:35:21 AM
Wasn't Mandela a devout Christian?
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Mandark on December 11, 2013, 12:48:27 AM
Wasn't Mandela a devout Christian?

He may have claimed to be, but would a real Christian go for 27 years without stepping foot in a church?
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2013, 12:50:28 AM
Ah, so the political Christian. Doesn't make that guys argument right though.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Mandark on December 11, 2013, 12:51:08 AM
(I was talking about the 27 years he spent in prison)
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Momo on December 11, 2013, 12:55:10 AM
Nelson was in this prison at some stage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLkRA2pdBdE
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2013, 12:57:00 AM
(I was talking about the 27 years he spent in prison)

Again, political Christian. Anyone who doesn't have the time to visit the chapel while in prison is a fool.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: benjipwns on December 11, 2013, 01:01:55 AM
Do we even know for sure that Mandela was ever even in prison? I mean it's awful convenient that his "story" just happens to line up with what the academic Marxist elite want us to believe. How do we know he wasn't palling around with Bill Ayers and screaming "GOD DAMN AMERICA" while he was supposedly in "prison"?
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 11, 2013, 09:05:59 AM
I mean, was Nelson Mandela really even born in South Africa? Seems suspiciously convenient, if you ask me.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Broseidon on December 11, 2013, 10:24:44 AM
:neogaf
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 11, 2013, 10:30:37 AM
lol, that reminds me of

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5evS-ApSNQ
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: Momo on December 11, 2013, 10:38:54 AM
Had an idiot seriously ask me "how do they even know what he is signing in xhosa?"
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela has passed away
Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2013, 07:59:48 PM
http://www.timesofisrael.com/mandela-signer-faced-murder-rap-in-2003/

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The schizophrenic South African sign language interpreter who said he hallucinated during Nelson Mandela’s memorial on Tuesday reportedly has an extensive criminal record, including murder, rape and kidnapping charges.

According to South African news network eNCA, Thamsanqa Jantjie has “faced rape (1994), theft (1995), housebreaking (1997), malicious damage to property (1998), murder, attempted murder and kidnapping (2003) charges.”

Despite his record, the station said it was not clear whether Jantjie has ever served time in prison, as “many of the charges brought against him were dropped, allegedly because he was mentally unfit to stand trial.”

Even more bizarrely, it was not clear whether the murder charge against Jantjie from 2003 was ever properly resolved because the court file against him is “mysteriously empty,” eNCA reported.