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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Tasty on May 18, 2014, 08:45:44 PM

Title: Amazon buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 18, 2014, 08:45:44 PM
Google all up in this motherfucker now :rejoice

http://www.theverge.com/2014/5/18/5729460/youtube-reportedly-buying-twitch-for-1-billion
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Himu on May 18, 2014, 08:49:36 PM
Fuck you and fuck Google. YouTube sucks a thousand cocks now and they just bought the one site gamers were flocking to since YT sucks cock and has ruined many communities with their draconian bullshit.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 18, 2014, 08:51:51 PM
Fuck you and fuck Google. YouTube sucks a thousand cocks now and they just bought the one site gamers were flocking to since YT sucks cock and has ruined many communities with their draconian bullshit.

:umad
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 18, 2014, 08:53:13 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/bNJsZ.gif)
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 18, 2014, 08:55:29 PM
google is overcompensating
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 18, 2014, 08:55:54 PM
Can't wait for them to buy Vimeo next :rejoice
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2014, 09:24:13 PM
This is probably going to fuck up Twitch badly if YouTube is any indicator.  Oh well.

If we are just talking about a quality of service issue then Twitch is already pretty shitty. It constantly lags. It constantly goes down. It's about the only video service quality wise that I would say is actually worse than youtube.

Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 18, 2014, 09:30:05 PM
so it's a sidegrade
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: archie4208 on May 18, 2014, 09:31:38 PM
This is probably going to fuck up Twitch badly if YouTube is any indicator.  Oh well.

If we are just talking about a quality of service issue then Twitch is already pretty shitty. It constantly lags. It constantly goes down. It's about the only video service quality wise that I would say is actually worse than youtube.

I think "shutting down streams because somebody is playing copyrighted music" is a much larger concern.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 18, 2014, 09:33:59 PM
Well, yeah, true. Nobody folds quicker than YouTube when it comes to that.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2014, 09:34:10 PM
I'm more thinking in terms of blocking content.

That I would agree with. And yeah playing copyrighted music which a ton of twitch streams do is gonna go I'm assuming fairly quickly.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Raban on May 18, 2014, 09:59:32 PM
:piss Google
:piss andrex
:piss this thread
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Takao on May 18, 2014, 10:09:05 PM
does this mean i can play snake on twitch when it inevitably starts to buffer
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 18, 2014, 10:18:04 PM
I'm more thinking in terms of blocking content.

Gaming companies just need to grow up like music labels did.

http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/music/2014/03/18/recording_industry_earns_more_from_fan_videos_than_from_official_music_videos.html
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 18, 2014, 10:34:03 PM
that only seems slightly more likely than google not ruining something after they buy it

Maps :leon

Blogger :leon

Docs :leon

Android :leon

Motorola :leon

And for what it's worth I don't think YouTube's been "ruined" at all. YouTube's design pre-Google was a piece of shit and it's doubtful they'd even be around today if they hadn't been bought. If they'd been bought by someone else like Yahoo, they'd probably be six feet under by now anyways. But sure, YouTube's been "ruined" because of G+ integration. ::)
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 18, 2014, 10:51:15 PM
Oh, the fact that it's still running petabytes of bandwidth every day? That's why it's been ruined?

Or is it the fact it has the largest catalogue of videos online? That's the part that ruined it?

Please enlighten me. ::)
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Himu on May 18, 2014, 10:55:04 PM
Dear lord. Gargle that semen harder.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 18, 2014, 10:58:03 PM
Jump on internet hate trains for websites that are the best they've ever been, brehs
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Himu on May 18, 2014, 10:58:52 PM
:what
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 18, 2014, 11:06:20 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JQiHgXT.jpg)

:yuck

(http://i.imgur.com/wK5yLOV.png)

:aah
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 18, 2014, 11:07:45 PM
yeah, you don't understand.  that's okay, we're all dumb sometimes.

I'm glad you agree this YouTube hate is stupid and not backed by reality. I think the fact that we haven't seen a single credible critique in this thread speaks for itself.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 18, 2014, 11:13:54 PM
It's a stuttering piece of shit, much like your string of posts in this thread
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Himu on May 18, 2014, 11:15:44 PM
You're talking about the site from a design perspective. We are talking about it from a user interface and usability perspective.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 18, 2014, 11:17:20 PM
And also a being able to play a thirty second video without buffering perspective
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 18, 2014, 11:22:31 PM
You're talking about the site from a design perspective. We are talking about it from a user interface and usability perspective.

YouTube is way more usable now. The side menu is gross, but do you remember how playlist controls used to work? That fucking bar at the bottom of the screen with tiny ass buttons? Holy shit, what a horrid UI.

Old-style channels AKA MySpace 2.0? The new One Channel design is FAR more usable.

(http://i.imgur.com/1Se60Th.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/9j4plmk.jpg)

Kill me now if you think the top one is better and more usable.

I can agree YouTube stutters now more than it used to, but it also has more users and HD content than it used to. I've seen what it takes to deal with bandwidth and I don't envy YouTube's backend/CDN engineers at all, they have a far harder job of it than almost anyone. The fact that it's even online without constant Fail Wail pages is a marvel of internet engineering.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 18, 2014, 11:26:05 PM
Also, most of the buffering isn't even YouTube's fault but ISP's.

http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/13kmvd/have_time_warner_internet_but_can_barely_stream/

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/why-youtube-buffers-the-secret-deals-that-make-and-break-online-video/
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 18, 2014, 11:36:56 PM
don't take it so personally, andy.  it's not about google.  it's that i can't actually think of a situation where a big company coming in and buying something smaller yet successful has ever worked out for the better.

you disagree, that's fine.  we'll see how it goes for twitch.  between the shit sandwich of amazon fucking up comixology and glu fucking up gamespy, i'm all out of optimism this month.

It just kind of annoys me because I feel like YouTube today is finally what I always wanted it to be. For years I enjoyed the site but it always had these nagging design elements I hated. I'll admit I didn't get involved in very many "communities" and my use cases aren't everyone's.

And for what it's worth, I do think Google has a higher batting average when it comes to acquisitions. The big ones have worked out pretty well, for the most part. (Even before getting kicked to Lenovo, Motorola had turned itself around and remade itself into something pretty awesome under Google's watch.)

The Comixology thing fucking sucks though. But I think that's the difference with Google. Just this week they announced Paypal integration in Google Play. (http://www.theverge.com/2014/5/15/5721192/google-play-store-android-paypal-integration) If Google had bought Comixology, I imagine the payment situation would have remained exactly as it was before. And yes, Google has their own mobile OS and ecosystem, but they still put out polished iOS apps. Google still has my trust when it comes to these situations (whereas Amazon lost it pretty quickly.)
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 18, 2014, 11:37:42 PM
Google web design is bland as shit too unfortunately :(

Spartan design is the best and the trend of flat/minimalism shows others started realizing it too.

That said, YouTube is a bit utilitarian even by Google standards. It could use some added design TLC like the Google+ site (hate the network all you want, but it's full of pleasing design elements.)
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2014, 11:52:32 PM
One of the buffering/preload issues isn't ISP related because YouTube Center stops it from happening. (Though that script in general seems to have busted and hasn't been updated in months.)
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Raban on May 19, 2014, 12:03:21 AM
:whew andy must've been saving all his special fellow power precisely for announcements like this
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Takao on May 19, 2014, 12:04:22 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/JQiHgXT.jpg)

:yuck

(http://i.imgur.com/wK5yLOV.png)

:aah

Adblock and Youtube Centre? I'm sure your Google Gods love you.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 19, 2014, 12:07:59 AM
Adblock and Youtube Centre? I'm sure your Google Gods love you.

AdBlock and I think D4Danger's HTML5 extension. I satisfy Google in other ways, don't worry :yeshrug

:whew andy must've been saving all his special fellow power precisely for announcements like this

This isnt even his final form. He's only at Super Spergajin 2 right now

People who get into an argument about Google with me:

(http://i.imgur.com/8P9wz8L.gif)
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Takao on May 19, 2014, 12:10:04 AM
I satisfy Google in other ways, don't worry :yeshrug

We can tell.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2014, 12:10:15 AM
welp, GG @ popular streamers.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: thisismyusername on May 19, 2014, 12:18:23 AM
You're talking about the site from a design perspective. We are talking about it from a user interface and usability perspective.

YouTube is way more usable now. The side menu is gross, but do you remember how playlist controls used to work? That fucking bar at the bottom of the screen with tiny ass buttons? Holy shit, what a horrid UI.

Old-style channels AKA MySpace 2.0? The new One Channel design is FAR more usable.

http://i.imgur.com/1Se60Th.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/9j4plmk.jpg

Kill me now if you think the top one is better and more usable.

I can agree YouTube stutters now more than it used to, but it also has more users and HD content than it used to. I've seen what it takes to deal with bandwidth and I don't envy YouTube's backend/CDN engineers at all, they have a far harder job of it than almost anyone. The fact that it's even online without constant Fail Wail pages is a marvel of internet engineering.

Where's the gun to kill you with, Andy? Because for me, personally, I prefer the top. It may not be "Web 2.0"/hot for you, but I am a man of 90's web design. So long as it loads fast, doesn't have me side-scroll and doesn't look "busy" I'm fine with minimal "my first webpage/Myspace page" design. Drop the left panel/"popular on YouTube," drop the right "channels" panel, drop the top bar. Leave the videos, leave the related. Link the profile of the author/uploader under it so I can click that to see more of their videos. Final usability destination.


'08 design

:yuck

X-men

:aah

Adblock and Youtube Centre? I'm sure your Google Gods love you.

Bottom looks clean there, but that's because Andy is using extensions to remove some of the bullshit Youtube has, so he's cheating there.

The top looks bad, yes. It's using a flash player, which the one good thing Google brought to Youtube was the mandate of future webstandards.

Drop the "login and rate" box. Drop the comments. Drop the director videos bar. Move the "From:" info box to where the "login and rate" box was. Youtube would've been fine there. Granted, it'd need a UI and standards overhaul but at least it wouldn't look bloated and full of shit that no one cares about.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 19, 2014, 12:21:29 AM
Because for me, personally, I prefer the top. It may not be "Web 2.0"/hot for you, but I am a man of 90's web design.

Kill yourself, fossil.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Himu on May 19, 2014, 12:21:40 AM

People who get into an argument about Google with me:

(http://i.imgur.com/8P9wz8L.gif)

 (http://i.minus.com/jFcyYoknv3UDx.png) More like

(http://i.minus.com/iShcEEqq4cKGg.gif)

Lamar :rofl
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 19, 2014, 12:22:13 AM
I love Esch's GIF, haha. What's it from?
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Himu on May 19, 2014, 12:24:34 AM
NERDS
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 19, 2014, 12:29:05 AM
NERDS

Sheeeiiit, time for a rewatch.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: thisismyusername on May 19, 2014, 12:36:50 AM
Because for me, personally, I prefer the top. It may not be "Web 2.0"/hot for you, but I am a man of 90's web design.

Kill yourself, fossil.

You first, sweetheart. You told me I could do that, so give me the address and gun.

I'm not looking for "My first GeoCities" page, but I am looking for "not having fifty million info boxes thrown up in my face with five scripts to make this page look pretty." Give me the info. If I wanted five info-bars I'd buy a newspaper.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=112538854&postcount=819

:kobeyuck

Twitch is just as bad as Youtube, if not worse in delivering content. Stream servers overloaded, quality is hit and miss depending on the connection the streamer has (could have the best connection ever but because Twitches servers suck, low quality for anything above 5 viewers)... no, it kinda needs the Google buy out in regards to improvement to services a small bit. But it'll probably go to shit if it gets "mainstream" and kills the community with Google trying to intergrate it with it's social network.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 19, 2014, 12:41:23 AM
G+ seems to be getting de-emphasized after Gundotra's departure, but I could see mandatory migrating to Google accounts in general eventually (same that happened with YouTube when it was first bought.) Other than that, it should stay relatively on its own (at least in terms of having its own site, UI, features, etc.) There will probably be more Google integration but if it leads to stuff like Chromecast support, I say bring it on.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: etiolate on May 19, 2014, 01:21:12 AM
twitch's chat is terrible and could be improved, but if they can't retain the same sort of content then that sort of thing won't matter

not that 'm against google killing esports =D
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2014, 01:50:17 AM
I don't think esports will be impacted by this. Youtube has streamed esports before in very high quality, and the companies involved (Riot, Blizzard, Valve, etc) aren't going to complain about violations or copyrights for most stuff. They know streaming is essential.

I'm more worried about the the various "Let's Play X" stuff, or say StarCraft streamers who decide to play some random other game. There's a lot of shit on twitch that would be shitcanned by a more strict copyright enforcement policy, which Youtube will no doubt bring.

and then there's the issue of google+...I can already imagine how they'll try to grow that by making you follow streamers/players/etc bah...
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: pilonv1 on May 19, 2014, 08:12:59 AM
If it ends people playing shitty music in the background of their streams I am all for it
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 19, 2014, 11:09:31 AM
SPERGBITCH INCAPABLE OF TAKING MANY PRONGED HYDRA COCKS OF GOOGLE FROM HIS ORIFICES AND VIEW ANYTHING AS A CONSUMER, NEWS AT 11
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: a slime appears on May 19, 2014, 11:24:05 AM
What's going on; did Larry Page get jealous of Mark Zuckerberg's "trendy" game company purchase?
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 19, 2014, 11:53:54 AM
SPERGBITCH INCAPABLE OF TAKING MANY PRONGED HYDRA COCKS OF GOOGLE FROM HIS ORIFICES AND VIEW ANYTHING AS A CONSUMER, NEWS AT 11

As a consumer, the internet is far better off for Google having bought YouTube than otherwise.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Trent Dole on May 19, 2014, 12:14:29 PM
As a tardo, I think Youtube's comment system being rendered utter shit by Google's fuckery is absolutely wonderful! As someone who actually uses the site, I think it is not good.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 19, 2014, 12:33:27 PM
Let's be real for a second here: the comments section on ANYTHING on the internet is a fucking wasteland, forced G+ integration or not.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 19, 2014, 12:37:59 PM
Technically speaking, the G+ comments system is far and away better than the old one. What a janky pile of mess that was. At times it felt like it barely functioned.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 19, 2014, 12:39:59 PM
Technically speaking, the G+ comments system is far and away better than the old one. What a janky pile of mess that was. At times it felt like it barely functioned.

Except of course for the part where it forced you to sign up for something completely useless that no one other than 9 sperglords use, sure.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Trent Dole on May 19, 2014, 12:48:39 PM
Technically speaking, the G+ comments system is far and away better than the old one. What a janky pile of mess that was. At times it felt like it barely functioned.
Technically speaking ur a faget.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 19, 2014, 02:30:11 PM
Technically speaking, the G+ comments system is far and away better than the old one. What a janky pile of mess that was. At times it felt like it barely functioned.
Technically speaking ur a faget.

SHIT. That does bring up a good point

(http://i.imgur.com/PsR32Vl.jpg)
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Himu on May 19, 2014, 02:32:22 PM
Technically speaking, the G+ comments system is far and away better than the old one. What a janky pile of mess that was. At times it felt like it barely functioned.

No. It. Is not.

Comments used to be ordered by most popular and most viable. Top comment made sense. Then you clicked a button to see the replies and they instantly show up. G+ integration SCATTERS comments. On the Jet Jaguar song that I posted earlier, the comments used to be hilarious ans in a certain order. Now the top comments are at the middle of the page. IT MAKES NO SENSE. More than that, when you do get a thread of some interesting conversation. If someone replies to someone, it now says ______ replied to ______ so instead of clicking read replies and instantly read them you have to click the replied to ________ button and it loads another page, and then only loads that one comment you wanted to read.

The new comments system is now the worst comment section on the internet due to how they are now organized.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Fifstar on May 19, 2014, 05:50:47 PM
Didn't they change the way the replies/conversations work back? Seems so. Was (is?) utterly ridiculous though.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Himu on May 19, 2014, 06:03:00 PM
Seems they have. It was awful, before.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 19, 2014, 06:18:00 PM
The sorting was totally BS before, I agree. But like, the old comment system was so awful Himu. No @replies? Threading was nonexistent unless you went to the "full comments" page. The text box and controls were miniscule. And there was no loading state when adding comments. Just felt janky.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Himu on May 19, 2014, 06:23:01 PM
I have never needed to use @ on youtube. Ever. Even to people who posted on my channel. As for the other stuff, I haven't really done read Full Comments in a long, long time. I think over the years it became less and less unnecessary.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 19, 2014, 06:42:49 PM
You've never needed to reply to a thread and reply to more than the OP comment?
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Takao on May 19, 2014, 07:43:51 PM
The real problem is that you two are reading Youtube comments.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Himu on May 19, 2014, 07:44:41 PM
The real problem is that you two are reading Youtube comments.

Not really. Sometimes they are useful but that's because of my interests.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on May 19, 2014, 07:47:12 PM
I read them cause sometime's they're funny.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: archie4208 on June 03, 2014, 11:34:43 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/eUnisAW.png)

$1 billion well spent.  :derp

Seriously, Twitch has had a huge botting problem the past week or so and they don't seem to be doing anything about it.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Rufus on June 04, 2014, 08:08:27 AM
Google should have good tech to detect and sort out stuff like that.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on June 04, 2014, 11:20:24 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/eUnisAW.png)

$1 billion well spent.  :derp

Seriously, Twitch has had a huge botting problem the past week or so and they don't seem to be doing anything about it.

(http://i.qkme.me/3pkcok.jpg)
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Rufus on June 04, 2014, 11:25:59 AM
The viewer count on the lower right. 230k is huge for a random horror game stream. LoL is the biggest game on Twitch and will only reach those numbers during a tourney (and subsequently fuck up the chat and other things on other streams).
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on June 04, 2014, 11:33:34 AM
Google buying the site obviously caused viewership to jump.

The Google difference™
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on June 23, 2014, 04:43:09 PM
http://blog.twitch.tv/2014/06/twitch-live-annotations-for-youtube/

:rejoice

Already paying off. :jawalrus
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: thisismyusername on June 23, 2014, 05:15:14 PM
Ah, so that's what those black "recommended by..." bars are on Youtube now. Now to dig through the settings to turn those off. :maf
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on June 27, 2014, 12:37:08 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/VPxeCUG.png)

:rejoice

Only took them 9 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SRTEXSpcyI

(select 1080p)
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2014, 01:08:08 AM
Nice. Been waiting for this a long time.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Takao on June 27, 2014, 07:25:19 PM
Gamer Syde had a run.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on July 24, 2014, 05:09:19 PM
Finally confirmed.

http://venturebeat.com/2014/07/24/googles-1b-purchase-of-twitch-confirmed-joins-youtube-for-new-video-empire/
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on August 05, 2014, 01:34:43 PM
http://justin.tv

Justin.tv is dead, just like YouTube would have been if Google hadn't bought them. Q.E.D.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Takao on August 05, 2014, 03:26:29 PM
justin.tv probably died because of google though
they want the normals to stream on youtube or something
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 06, 2014, 02:58:57 PM
http://blog.twitch.tv/2014/08/update-changes-to-vods-on-twitch/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnzpm2rRwfw
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: SpeedStats on August 06, 2014, 05:27:10 PM
And their YouTube exporter is currently borked, so I can't export some of my stuff to YT anyway.

Content ID audio is coming to Twitch, too. http://blog.twitch.tv/2014/08/3136/

Quote
Starting today, Twitch will be implementing technology intended to help broadcasters avoid the storage of videos containing unauthorized third-party audio.  We respect the rights of copyright owners, and are voluntarily undertaking this effort to help protect both our broadcasters and copyright owners.

..

How It Works: Scanning VODs Only

Audio Recognition will only be run against audio in VODs. We are not scanning live broadcasts and there is no automated takedown of live content.

Flagged Content will display an on-screen notification informing viewers that content owned or controlled by a third party has been identified. The progress bar will also be red for the duration of the muted section.

Oh, okay.  I already switched to hitbox/instagib anyway, but this is just disheartening.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on August 06, 2014, 05:56:05 PM
It's not actually ContentID. If it was, it'd be far better. The tech they're going with blocks all audio in 30 minute chunks. ContentID has the tech to block only the portion of the vid using the song.

Not only that, ContentID has been recently upgraded to only remove the song itself from the audio. "Other layers of audio will remain intact." So if you were talking and the background song gets blocked the vid would still have your voice.

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2902117
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: SpeedStats on August 06, 2014, 06:04:07 PM
Yeah, I guess it isn't Content ID and something else. And the alternative is worse.

http://www.twitch.tv/dansgaming/b/550331246 - this guy got Fallout music muted and I can't hear him when he's talking during a portion of the video, nor can you hear the SFX in-game.

http://www.twitch.tv/feardarkness/b/555212959 - this fellow had multiple parts of his stream muted and you still can't hear him talking over these parts, or any of the SFX at all

Another person apparently had their Zelda streams muted due to the in-game music.  It's still basically garbage.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Himu on August 06, 2014, 06:17:32 PM
everyone but andrex
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 06, 2014, 06:25:34 PM
I streamed TLOU multiplayer last night and half of my video is blocked out, in two big chunks. There is nothing other than in-game audio in the video. It occurs both in the menus and in gameplay with no rhyme or reason.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Rufus on August 06, 2014, 06:38:40 PM
So gow did Twitch get away with it so long? They should have gotten DMCA complaints before. What was the procedure before the buyout?
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: The Legend of Sunblade on August 06, 2014, 06:45:27 PM
It's a good thing I already swapped to hitbox. I'm only using twitch for ps4 streams cause of no HDMI card.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: nachobro on August 06, 2014, 06:47:16 PM
https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/497149471378001920

twitch defeated by their own garbage flash player  :lol
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: SpeedStats on August 06, 2014, 06:48:43 PM
I wonder when they'll "fix" that.

Hilarious that it can't work right from the get-go like their YouTube exporter.  :neogaf
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: fistfulofmetal on August 06, 2014, 07:13:00 PM
I streamed TLOU multiplayer last night and half of my video is blocked out, in two big chunks. There is nothing other than in-game audio in the video. It occurs both in the menus and in gameplay with no rhyme or reason.

lmao. my Crypt of the Necrodancer VOD is untouched. How is that even possible? It's literally ALL licensed music.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: SpeedStats on August 06, 2014, 07:19:32 PM
The muting seems exclusive to the player.  If you download the flv file for the VOD, the audio is untouched. 

So, like someone said to me, it's likely someone could make an unmuting plugin or something soon because twitch can't be arsed to fix their own player.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 06, 2014, 07:36:44 PM
And now their "exporter is over capacity," it's been working fine the last week that I have been using it. It says to email them and they will email you back when it's up and running  :lol
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: nachobro on August 06, 2014, 09:53:18 PM
lmao. my Crypt of the Necrodancer VOD is untouched. How is that even possible? It's literally ALL licensed music.
Same for my Lollipop Chainsaw VODs. Kinda surprised at that.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on August 06, 2014, 10:31:24 PM
who could have anticipated this

I'm not surprised because I never argued ContentID wouldn't be used. That they're not using YouTube's own superior ContentID is a surprise and points to me this isn't a Google-led move.

My argument was that ContentID is necessary for any service large enough, and that it's not even a big deal on YouTube anymore since vids are just monetized by record companies these days instead of being outright taken down.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on August 06, 2014, 10:39:40 PM
Do not ask for whom the DMCA shit tolls, it tolls for thee (if thou becomes big enough)
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: nachobro on August 06, 2014, 10:41:24 PM
I dunno why Twitch doesn't just dump all vods to youtube the same way it does with a G+ live hangout. That seems like it'd be the best way to go about it.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: pilonv1 on August 07, 2014, 12:17:11 AM
tinfoil hat time:

what if the dmca shit was getting too heavy for twitch and this was coming anyway, so they sold off twitch for a ton of money and closed justin tv to get while the getting was good?

I think that's real enough that it's not tinfoil hat talk.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: fistfulofmetal on August 07, 2014, 02:50:08 AM
Haha, I'm using the Dark Twitch custom theme: https://userstyles.org/styles/78830/twitch-tv-dark-black-customisable-theme

and the dude updated it today:

(http://i.imgur.com/vlMYl19.png)
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 07, 2014, 07:13:18 AM
Music stuff is not surprising. I was always surprised streamers often just streamed whatever in that regard with no real consequences. What's more annoying imo is that licensed games with music will run into issues like they do on youtube even though the music is all contained in the game.

Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 07, 2014, 07:25:19 AM
Yeah I mean I saw some chick twitch hearthstone but it was basicly people paying her money to put their favourite songs on while she plays, like a radio station.

Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 07, 2014, 08:16:28 AM
Yeah I mean I saw some chick twitch hearthstone but it was basicly people paying her money to put their favourite songs on while she plays, like a radio station.

That was/is actually common. People accepting money donations for song requests. I always thought it was odd. 
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 07, 2014, 08:59:36 AM
Oh ok, then this isn't surprising at all imho. Freeloading days are over!
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Rufus on August 07, 2014, 10:13:34 AM
Some people only play music they get permission for from the artists. Lots of Minecraft streamers have very similar playlists as a result.

I don't get why people play music on stream in the first place, especially when they communicate with chat a lot.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 08, 2014, 05:04:29 PM
Just got through playing a session of Suikoden 3. I clicked on the recording like I do after any session to make sure it recorded properly and notice the video is acting weird. Like part of it is red. So I look and notice this.


"Audio for portions of this video has been muted as it appears to contain copyrighted content owneed or controlled by a third party".
I don't play music when I stream. I only play the game audio.

 :what

Fucking google.

Here is the video in question

http://www.twitch.tv/stoneymason/b/555905709
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: fistfulofmetal on August 08, 2014, 05:37:59 PM
well how about you stop trying to infringe on copyrights? you fucking pirate scumbag.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 08, 2014, 05:43:43 PM
I own suikoden 3. As I do a number of PS 2 rpgs. They were the only thing I kept from the ps 2 collection I sold a few years back.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Himu on August 08, 2014, 05:44:36 PM
he was joking, sweetie
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 08, 2014, 05:45:09 PM
he was joking, sweetie

ahh... Well you know me. Serious business.

Apologies fistful.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: demi on August 08, 2014, 05:48:14 PM
It's an error, they repeatedly said game audio wasnt to be blocked. You can appeal it or whatever.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Rufus on August 08, 2014, 05:48:31 PM
Who reviews the appeal? If it's the claimant like with Youtube's content ID then have fun potentially having to threaten them with lawyers you may or may not be willing to pay if they persist.

---

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/08/08/twitch-music-copyright-deleting-videos/

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But who’s claiming copyright?

Some music is being flagged even when the people who performed it swear blind it shouldn’t, just as YouTube’s audio scanning did when it launched last year.

Videos of Crypt of the NecroDancer (which is pretty good) are being silenced while composer Danny Baranowsky insists “nobody but me has the authority to ask for a takedown.” He explained that it “was somehow identified as music in Audible Magic catalog. Even though it isn’t!”

NecroDancer creators Brace Yourself Games are even seeing their own dev streams muted. Shear responded to a question from Brace Yourself, but didn’t say why that might be happening.

Bad matches

Audio recognition is inherently imprecise, not looking for perfect matches. Twitch’s system has, for example, muted some of Valve’s $10 million Dota 2 tournament The International. “That was a false positive (misidentification of crowd noise as music), which we’ve now fixed,” Shear explained.

Presumably their cheering sounded too much like cheers on a song. It won’t be the only noise which just so happens to sound like music in the system.

Poor testing

“The vast majority of matches seem correct as far as we can tell,” Shear claimed. “There are exceptional cases which are of course now very public and embarrassing, but I don’t know how we would have found them without launching.”

The zany notion of testing springs to mind, perhaps starting on a small portion of videos to see how it works, or scanning for matches to see what pops up without following through on muting.
[...]
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 08, 2014, 05:53:28 PM
It's very unfortunate that so much of this exists in a gray area. so many examples like this exist that are so dumb.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1sB01fqyE0&list=UUPAfuEIML1gBQpNCllcoNBg


But its okay if you are sponsored.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_QtSMEGimbzlWCE-RWK1dDhtkiNOJvWi (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_QtSMEGimbzlWCE-RWK1dDhtkiNOJvWi)
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Himu on August 08, 2014, 06:00:02 PM
:piss GOOGLE :piss2

Is google worse than Apple at this point? I remember when Google was considered like, the company that could do no harm.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Rufus on August 08, 2014, 06:12:26 PM
Not to defend Google too much, but a big if not major part of the problem is the DMCA.

But its okay if you are sponsored.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_QtSMEGimbzlWCE-RWK1dDhtkiNOJvWi (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_QtSMEGimbzlWCE-RWK1dDhtkiNOJvWi)
Fucking DarksydePhil, really?

And look at that, he seems to have had issues as well. From the "About" section:
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This is CURRENT channel which houses all of my game playthroughs, reviews, vlogs and more. This channel was created in April 2010 after my old channel DarksydePhil was put in jeopardy of being deleted by Youtube for false copyright claims.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
How are the worst people consitently so popular?
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Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 08, 2014, 06:14:58 PM
I have a soft spot for DSP mainly because I don't mind the rage but yeah he's a jackass.  It's a weird situation when these things are treated so differently and there are no clear rules.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on August 08, 2014, 07:01:01 PM
If you're hosting video content and get big enough, the DMCA hammer is gonna fall. Period. Doesn't matter if you're Google, Apple, Vimeo, Twitch, etc.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 08, 2014, 07:02:49 PM
If you're hosting video content and get big enough, the DMCA hammer is gonna fall. Period. Doesn't matter if you're Google, Apple, Vimeo, Twitch, etc.

Agreed. It's easy to hate on google. But its simply the process of being that massive and being based in America imo. Not that some corporations aren't more dickish than others.

Although I would argue that perhaps these companies shouldn't be allowed to get this large and this massive and monopolistic in the first place. But unfortunately America.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 08, 2014, 08:08:56 PM
My TLOU multiplayer videos are all redded up, both matches and the lobby.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Tasty on August 08, 2014, 09:38:15 PM
The DMCA sucks but the safe harbor provision has been just about the only reason media on the internet has flourished at all.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 08, 2014, 11:17:33 PM
Clearly Pirate Bay needs to go ahead with their plan to buy the dilapidated old SeaLand platform and fill it with servers.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2014, 07:44:32 PM
I was curious so tried hitbox since a lot of people are talking about it in the wake of the twitch stuff. You can also setup up something pretty easily where you can stream to both at the same time which I did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqb1h1kLTpc&feature=youtu.be

Pros:
Obviously none of the weird twitch audio content muting that is going on at the moment.
The delay between you and the stream is much much less than twitch which is nice.
Has a few small nice little features twitch doesn't have. Like I can do a private invisible stream to test something which I don't think you can do on twitch (or at least I never figured out how to)

Cons:

Much smaller community. Doesn't bother me as I don't stream to necessarily get viewing numbers but to some people who are serious about it that would be an issue obviously.
The recording aspect on hitbox seems hit or miss. I've done this twice now and the first time, the stream played properly when it was going but when it came to the recording after the stream was over, it had fucked up and not recorded most of it. After looking around apparently this is a somewhat common problem currently. Big issue for me because that's the #1 reason I stream. For my own personal recordings.
The video player on the site sucks. The streaming playing seems to work decently enough. But trying to watch your video recording or somebody else's video recordings on the site is painful as the video player is incredibly slow and just doesn't work some time.

So I could see why some people would dig hitbox but for my uses it needs more work before its something I would use.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: demi on August 10, 2014, 08:28:14 PM
Streaming to both would get you hurt if you were a Partner, of course.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 25, 2014, 03:33:55 PM
http://online.wsj.com/articles/amazon-to-buy-video-site-twitch-for-more-than-1-billion-1408988885
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 25, 2014, 03:53:17 PM
http://online.wsj.com/articles/amazon-to-buy-video-site-twitch-for-more-than-1-billion-1408988885

Amazon?!

(http://i.minus.com/jbaMcPhy51ZVwo.png)
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 25, 2014, 03:58:58 PM
Change thread title to "Andrex buys cyanide capsule"
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: fistfulofmetal on August 25, 2014, 04:17:48 PM
http://www.twitch.tv/p/thankyou

yeah, weird.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Takao on August 25, 2014, 06:07:09 PM
remember fire tv
what happened to that thing
it did come out, right?
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on August 25, 2014, 07:23:58 PM
firetv is cool dont ahte on it
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Your Stalker on August 25, 2014, 07:46:18 PM
standrex, post if you're still alive
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Himu on August 25, 2014, 07:51:16 PM
Standrex :lol
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 25, 2014, 09:06:16 PM
remember fire tv
what happened to that thing
it did come out, right?

for a moment I thought this was a joke about the Fire phone, which also came out
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 25, 2014, 09:11:17 PM
I think this is worse than youtube, no?
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 26, 2014, 04:01:54 AM
forgive me for asking a stupid question, but why?

Amazon has a streaming service that they want to boost, but this still doesn't make any sense to me.  Will KFC buy Goodyear Tires tomorrow?
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 26, 2014, 05:45:24 AM
once again, don't make sense. (http://mashable.com/2014/07/24/amazon-earnings-2/)

Amazon keeps chasing one money hole after another.  Ramping up spending on what is possibly the most saturated, competitive, and fragmented entertainment market doesn't make sense, especially for a company that already has an outsize/dependent role in retail sales of said market and isn't exactly hugely profitable to begin with.

but then again, Oculus and Facebook still doesn't make sense to me.  Good thing I'm not a hedge fund manager, I'd totally whiff that shit.
Title: Re: Amazon buys Twitch
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 26, 2014, 08:08:53 AM
Shareholders are getting antsy because Amazon isn't producing record growth like it was a few quarters ago, they gotta make a big splash and pull down some of that dollar bill.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: Himu on August 26, 2014, 08:10:36 AM
Will KFC buy Goodyear Tires tomorrow?

:lol
Title: Re: Amazon buys Twitch
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 26, 2014, 04:39:37 PM
forgive me for asking a stupid question, but why?

Amazon has a streaming service that they want to boost, but this still doesn't make any sense to me.  Will KFC buy Goodyear Tires tomorrow?

If I could get a 12-piece bucket while getting my tires rotated, that would be be perfect.
Title: Re: Amazon buys Twitch
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 26, 2014, 05:42:02 PM
It does make sense in a "we want to be Apple and Google rolled into one" way. They have a music service, which is their iTunes. They have an app store. They have a streaming service, which is their Netflix. They didn't have a YouTube-type infrastructure, so they bought one.
Title: Re: YouTube buys Twitch
Post by: hampster on August 28, 2014, 10:04:09 PM
forgive me for asking a stupid question, but why?

Amazon seems to like owning the places people talk about / learn about their entertainment. IMDB, Goodreads, and now twitch