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Title: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 13, 2014, 10:37:25 PM
http://variety.com/2014/film/news/robert-downey-jr-to-join-captain-america-3-exclusive-1201312229/ (http://variety.com/2014/film/news/robert-downey-jr-to-join-captain-america-3-exclusive-1201312229/)

So as far as I can tell:


And now Marvel Studios wants to bring it to film.

I, um...don't care?  Seriously why should I be angry about this?  To me, as someone who hasn't read the Civil War stories, the premise sounds pretty cool and logically the next concept the MCU needs to grapple with beyond Avengers 2.  And I also bet that Marvel realizes fans displeasure with the overall plot of Civil War...they're most assuredly going to change some things around.

Also, apparently Spidey might be involved?
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 13, 2014, 10:41:14 PM
:yeshrug
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Kara on October 13, 2014, 10:47:00 PM
BN, I could post excerpts from Civil War issues, but then you'd be scarred for life.

There's a page-length scene involving the Lord's Prayer, alcoholism, and death, for example.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2014, 10:48:36 PM
Captain America dies at the end apparently.

but he's not really dead

#comicgate
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 13, 2014, 10:49:27 PM
BN, I could post excerpts from Civil War issues, but then you'd be scarred for life.

There's a page-length scene involving the Lord's Prayer, alcoholism, and death, for example.

sounds like a good sunday
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2014, 10:57:58 PM
At least the running time of the movies being limited will stop the sprawl of the plot.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: parallax on October 13, 2014, 11:00:30 PM
http://variety.com/2014/film/news/robert-downey-jr-to-join-captain-america-3-exclusive-1201312229/ (http://variety.com/2014/film/news/robert-downey-jr-to-join-captain-america-3-exclusive-1201312229/)

So as far as I can tell:

  • Tony Stark was a Snidely Whiplash asshole who wanted to kill superheros
  • The story didn't even involve the Mutants
  • This causes neckbeards online to call it the worst Marvel story ever

And now Marvel Studios wants to bring it to film.

I, um...don't care?  Seriously why should I be angry about this?  To me, as someone who hasn't read the Civil War stories, the premise sounds pretty cool and logically the next concept the MCU needs to grapple with beyond Avengers 2.  And I also bet that Marvel realizes fans displeasure with the overall plot of Civil War...they're most assuredly going to change some things around.

Also, apparently Spidey might be involved?

civil war was hyped to be some ambiguous story that youll come away from not knowing whos right. what we got was stark sending shield agents to arrest cage at the stroke of midnight when the registration passed, super heroes being sent to the negative zone for not registering, not being allowed to simply retire, super kids being killed and broken to fit the initiation, sending a mob of supervillains to hunt superheroes. and sally worth fuckery. it not only didnt live up to the hype, but was worse.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2014, 11:02:06 PM
Don't forget all the sitting around in sewers and warehouses talking about what could be action scenes that never come to pass.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 13, 2014, 11:03:01 PM
It was touted as being an ambiguous storyline with no real good/bad guys, but right from the get-go the registration side are all old-timey melodrama villains. Mad? Fuck no, it's a comic book. Disappointed? Sure.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2014, 11:03:28 PM
Cuz you're a special fellow, I assume.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: cool breeze on October 13, 2014, 11:06:12 PM
the best parts are when it tries to make a big deal over r-tier characters dying.  and the scene where the punisher murders surrendering criminals in cold blood and captain america gets all pissy about it.

 
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: parallax on October 13, 2014, 11:08:47 PM
the best parts are when it tries to make a big deal over r-tier characters dying.  and the scene where the punisher murders surrendering criminals in cold blood and captain america gets all pissy about it.

i wish someone would be about it when it comes to the punisher. he kills dudes. thats what he does. dont like it? take his ass down.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: StealthFan on October 13, 2014, 11:11:11 PM
Punisher has died multiple times. Not by the hand of bitch ass heroes tho, unless Wolverine's taco son is a hero.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: parallax on October 13, 2014, 11:12:46 PM
Punisher has died multiple times.

he hasnt been dealt with by the people he associates with though. they dont like what he does, but they still deal with him.

getting murked by daken is pretty funny in grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 13, 2014, 11:13:28 PM
But that led to Frankencastle, arguably the most interesting Punisher storyline in a decade.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: StealthFan on October 13, 2014, 11:15:41 PM
Aaron's Punisher Max run owned. He also died in that one.

Frankencastle...fuck. I liked that run up until that point.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Shadow Mod on October 14, 2014, 12:07:16 AM
the best parts are when it tries to make a big deal over r-tier characters dying.  and the scene where the punisher murders surrendering criminals in cold blood and captain america gets all pissy about it.

i wish someone would be about it when it comes to the punisher. he kills dudes. thats what he does. dont like it? take his ass down.

They're cool with Wolvie doing that though, so it's like uh ummm...
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 14, 2014, 12:09:19 AM
Considering how different the MCU is anyway with its characters, I imagine that its take on Civil War will share similarities in concept and basic premise only.  I don't know, I just find the nerd outrage I read on GAF regarding this choice really stupid.

Shit that isn't surprising at all for 200, Alex.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: parallax on October 14, 2014, 12:10:09 AM
the best parts are when it tries to make a big deal over r-tier characters dying.  and the scene where the punisher murders surrendering criminals in cold blood and captain america gets all pissy about it.

i wish someone would be about it when it comes to the punisher. he kills dudes. thats what he does. dont like it? take his ass down.

They're cool with Wolvie doing that though, so it's like uh ummm...

wolverine at least tries to repent. they arent even on the same wavelength. hes not scoping out ninjas to ruin. punisher goes to places to get things cracking off.

Considering how different the MCU is anyway with its characters, I imagine that its take on Civil War will share similarities in concept and basic premise only.  I don't know, I just find the nerd outrage I read on GAF regarding this choice really stupid.

Shit that isn't surprising at all for 200, Alex.

most definetely. but comicsmovie gaf has always been on some shit
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Momo on October 14, 2014, 12:15:59 AM
The story that cemented my Iron Dick hate
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: parallax on October 14, 2014, 12:17:39 AM
Comics gaf mostly hates Batman and stans the fuck out of Thor. Which has never made sense to me.

you mean comicsmovie gaf right? because they are two different groups.

The story that cemented my Iron Dick hate

that was armor wars for me
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: cool breeze on October 14, 2014, 12:18:50 AM
Considering how different the MCU is anyway with its characters, I imagine that its take on Civil War will share similarities in concept and basic premise only.  I don't know, I just find the nerd outrage I read on GAF regarding this choice really stupid.

Shit that isn't surprising at all for 200, Alex.

the premise is pretty silly, too. if anything it's some ideas from the story plus the name for recognition.  civil war is popular in a sales way and the name means something.  it's like how dc keeps bringing back doomsday because death of superman sold well.  but yeah, Age of Ultron is sounding nothing like the Age of Ultron it shares its name with.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Kara on October 14, 2014, 12:33:41 AM
http://i.imgur.com/BmboDbU.jpg
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Kara on October 14, 2014, 12:36:06 AM
There's a point where Iron Fist (who's Daredevil for reasons I care not to remember) tosses someone a silver dollar and intimates that they're Judas too.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: parallax on October 14, 2014, 12:44:55 AM
There's a point where Iron Fist (who's Daredevil for reasons I care not to remember) tosses someone a silver dollar and intimates that they're Judas too.

he was daredevil so people didnt think matt was. and i believe the silver was for stark
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Himu on October 14, 2014, 12:56:27 AM
Civil War is a genius idea that's ruined by some of the worst decisions Marvel Comics has ever made. Tony Stark is a mustache twirling villain, almost literally. Spider-Man reveals his identity, shit happens, then he takes it all back and the biggest retcon in Spider-man history happens. Cap dies in a pretty stupid and pointless death. It's just a great idea that goes nowhere but at the same time it's so huge that it got lots of people back into comics - including moi. Of the middling mid 00's Marvel stories, House of M and its aftermath are MUCH better.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: cool breeze on October 14, 2014, 12:56:29 AM
yeah, I think he hid it in his mouth and wouldn't talk until stark showed up to get in his burn.  I think it was when they were trying to ramp up how bad evil man tony was by sending people to the negative zone prison.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: parallax on October 14, 2014, 01:27:44 AM
Cemented my Iron Man stanning forever. Stark was right.

if he wasnt a dick, things wouldnt have went so bad. uatu made him hold that L
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Momo on October 14, 2014, 01:28:31 AM
Cemented my Iron Man stanning forever. Stark was right.
(http://i.imgur.com/0yBjWlX.gif)
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2014, 01:52:57 AM
it's like how dc keeps bringing back doomsday because death of superman sold well.
Which is increasingly hilarious with each time.

Reign of the Doomsdays was one of the stupidest things I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 14, 2014, 03:10:44 AM
There aren't enough MCU characters to even make it work, are there? A civil war with 3-4 people per side isn't much of a war.
by the time Cap 3 is out we'll have Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, and whomever is introduced in Avengers 2.  And a probable Spider-Man integration in the MCU. (http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/07/could-spider-man-join-the-marvel-cinematic-universe)

not to mention Agents of Shield and the Netflix troika (Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage) that are/may be in the MCU.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: parallax on October 14, 2014, 03:18:47 AM
There aren't enough MCU characters to even make it work, are there? A civil war with 3-4 people per side isn't much of a war.
by the time Cap 3 is out we'll have Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, and whomever is introduced in Avengers 2.  And a probable Spider-Man integration in the MCU. (http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/07/could-spider-man-join-the-marvel-cinematic-universe)

not to mention Agents of Shield and the Netflix troika (Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage) that are/may be in the MCU.

are the tv characters gonna cross over with the movie characters?
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Tasty on October 14, 2014, 03:29:46 AM
Civil War gets shit on by Spidey fans for leading more or less directly to One More Day, the shittiest of Spider-man stories to my knowledge.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Himu on October 14, 2014, 03:31:58 AM
Civil War gets shit on by Spidey fans for leading more or less directly to One More Day, the shittiest of Spider-man stories to my knowledge.

It also had a shit ending and didn't really lead to anything important despite being a supposedly important storyline.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Himu on October 14, 2014, 03:33:36 AM
http://mightygodking.com/i-dont-need-your-civil-war/
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Himu on October 14, 2014, 03:49:49 AM
God comics are so ridiculous with this continuity shit how can someone parse any of this without losing their mind

Snikt bub
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Tasty on October 14, 2014, 03:53:52 AM
God comics are so ridiculous with this continuity shit how can someone parse any of this without losing their mind

That's the fun of it, honestly.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 14, 2014, 03:56:27 AM
are the tv characters gonna cross over with the movie characters?
they already have, in The Winter Soldier, the Netflix shows remain to be seen, but I wouldn't bet against it myself.
God comics are so ridiculous with this continuity shit how can someone parse any of this without losing their mind
yes, they are.  Couldn't tell ya.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: parallax on October 14, 2014, 04:18:14 AM
God comics are so ridiculous with this continuity shit how can someone parse any of this without losing their mind

get good

but really, ive been doing it for so long at this point. but its a lot easier to absorb now, than back in the day. its pretty easy to jump into comics now.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Tasty on October 14, 2014, 04:24:49 AM
are the tv characters gonna cross over with the movie characters?
they already have, in The Winter Soldier

They did? Who?

Fury didn't even bother mentioning to Cap that Coulson is alive.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: thisismyusername on October 14, 2014, 05:32:04 AM
Actually I read Extremis recently, and that was what really turned me into an Iron Man stanboy. Too bad IM3 made such a mockery of that storyline.

Did we read the same Extremis? The movie actually fixed a lot of the wonky-ness that six-shot storyline had.

are the tv characters gonna cross over with the movie characters?
they already have, in The Winter Soldier

They did? Who?

Fury didn't even bother mentioning to Cap that Coulson is alive.

http://agentcarter.net/

God comics are so ridiculous with this continuity shit how can someone parse any of this without losing their mind

It's why DC went with "the New 52" but New 52 is shit.

Marvel's major problem is that they kill characters and those characters come back more than Jesus instead of having them actually stay dead in the continuity. (Well, that and some extremely stupid story-lines like Civil War's well-meaning-intended-but-stupidly-executed elements)
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2014, 06:39:20 AM
God comics are so ridiculous with this continuity shit how can someone parse any of this without losing their mind
It's the part I like honestly. Like uncovering a history as I discover new books within the universe. Like Doom Patrol or Gotham Central or Booster Gold or whatever that adds flesh to other books and events. Like finally getting a grasp around the "actual" events of Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis is fun. Especially when it's taking basically discarded stuff and reworking it to be like crazy important like Starman/JSA did with a number of things where it all comes together later.

I guess the best comparison is to people who are now coming into Star Trek, I watched all of it (except the TOS, but in reruns) as it was happening, and revisiting it is interesting. But there's something about discovering it and being able to take in the entire story after it's ended. But if TNG/DS9/VOY did more open setup (running alongside each other) where things in the universe affected things within each series.

Though I suppose that some of the better works are those that stick mainly to their own inner continuity like 100 Bullets, Fables, etc. Even the Batman books in a way are somewhat more like an unfolding drama that sections itself off from some of the more Powered folk.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: bork on October 14, 2014, 08:00:44 AM
The only problem I have with them doing a Civil War story is that they don't have enough characters in place for the two sides to seem big enough.  But maybe they will introduce a shit ton of characters?
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: StealthFan on October 14, 2014, 08:23:48 AM
I can fuck with shit like Daredevil, Hawkeye, Punisher and other books that doesn't really rely on big events and all that bullshit. Superhero continuity LOLNO1CURR.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Kara on October 14, 2014, 10:07:02 AM
God comics are so ridiculous with this continuity shit how can someone parse any of this without losing their mind

You read comic books that either don't interact with the rest of their multiverse much at all (e.g. nu-52 Captain Atom, RIP :tocry) or ones where it doesn't matter at all if they interact because you don't read them for any coherent thought (e.g. Daniel Way DA GOD's Deadpool run).
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 14, 2014, 11:15:05 AM
Or you just lay back and enjoy the fuckery.  :aah
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 14, 2014, 11:34:45 AM
are the tv characters gonna cross over with the movie characters?
they already have, in The Winter Soldier

They did? Who?

Fury didn't even bother mentioning to Cap that Coulson is alive.
Coulson told him not to
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 14, 2014, 12:28:58 PM
We haven't brought up the dumbest part of Civil War: Penance (http://marvel.com/universe/Penance_(Robert_Baldwin))

Speedball (yes, SPEEDBALL) felt so bad about what he did at Stamford, CT that he started wearing a suit with knives on the inside that cut him all the time because GRIMDARK

Speedball
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/5551/597340-picture_20189.gif)

Penance
(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel//universe3zx/images/d/d8/Penance(Baldwin)_Head2.jpg)
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Supermanisdead on October 14, 2014, 12:31:52 PM
you need to be outraged that they keep making these dumbass mcu movies
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Kara on October 14, 2014, 12:43:22 PM
We haven't brought up the dumbest part of Civil War: Penance (http://marvel.com/universe/Penance_(Robert_Baldwin))

Speedball (yes, SPEEDBALL) felt so bad about what he did at Stamford, CT that he started wearing a suit with knives on the inside that cut him all the time because GRIMDARK

Speedball
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/5551/597340-picture_20189.gif)

Penance
(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel//universe3zx/images/d/d8/Penance(Baldwin)_Head2.jpg)

Penance x Squirrel Girl :uguu

(http://i.imgur.com/bI70Ifo.jpg)
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: StealthFan on October 14, 2014, 12:50:23 PM
:what
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Rufus on October 14, 2014, 03:29:15 PM
Time to change my avatar.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Kara on October 14, 2014, 03:44:37 PM
:what

Not that "serious" Marvel comics are much better, but those panels are from a parody one-off story. (Virtually nothing with Squirrel Girl in it should be taken seriously because she's just a walking, talking punch line.)

I believe Fabian Nicieza wrote it, which makes it even funnier because he's partially responsible for a lot of the dudebro tough breh comics from the 90s.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: parallax on October 14, 2014, 04:06:01 PM
You read comic books that either don't interact with the rest of their multiverse much at all (e.g. nu-52 Captain Atom, RIP :tocry) or ones where it doesn't matter at all if they interact because you don't read them for any coherent thought (e.g. Daniel Way DA GOD's Deadpool run).

please tell me youre joking

We haven't brought up the dumbest part of Civil War: Penance (http://marvel.com/universe/Penance_(Robert_Baldwin))

Speedball (yes, SPEEDBALL) felt so bad about what he did at Stamford, CT that he started wearing a suit with knives on the inside that cut him all the time because GRIMDARK

Speedball
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/5551/597340-picture_20189.gif)

Penance
(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel//universe3zx/images/d/d8/Penance(Baldwin)_Head2.jpg)

treesong, youre on my pantheon of heroes.

penance pissed me off as much as night thrasher getting wiped out and shit on
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Kara on October 14, 2014, 04:34:29 PM
please tell me youre joking

I'm not. Way delivered us from a time when Gail Simone was writing domestic abuse storylines in Deadpool books that concluded with all-around horrible human being Taskmaster deciding that even he couldn't abide domestic abusers and murdered the one who was abusing Deadpool's secretary. :what

Ball don't lie. His run is still the longest run on a Deadpool book IIRC. :hitler
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: parallax on October 14, 2014, 04:44:07 PM
please tell me youre joking

I'm not. Way delivered us from a time when Gail Simone was writing domestic abuse storylines in Deadpool books that concluded with all-around horrible human being Taskmaster deciding that even he couldn't abide domestic abusers and murdered the one who was abusing Deadpool's secretary. :what

Ball don't lie. His run is still the longest run on a Deadpool book IIRC. :hitler

his spastic LOL HILARIOUS run is one of the worst things to happen to the character. ill gladly take simone back(especially due to her agent x run) than ever hear rumors of him coming back to deadpool
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Mr. Nobody on October 14, 2014, 04:46:56 PM
I enjoyed Civil War but I'll admit that it pretty much confirmed the Marvel pedestrial population as a gang of idiots
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Mr. Nobody on October 14, 2014, 04:48:09 PM
God comics are so ridiculous with this continuity shit how can someone parse any of this without losing their mind

One run at a time  :jawalrus
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Kara on October 14, 2014, 04:52:41 PM
his spastic LOL HILARIOUS run is one of the worst things to happen to the character. ill gladly take simone back(especially due to her agent x run) than ever hear rumors of him coming back to deadpool

Aside from the Marvel NOW stuff (i.e. the solo book and Thunderbolts) I've read every Deadpool book and Way's run is nowhere near the worst Deadpool (which is the Deadpool from Deadpool MAX).

I can understand why a character who doesn't hide from the puerile nature of comics has always rustled comic fan jimmies doe. :hitler
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: nachobro on October 14, 2014, 05:11:53 PM
It's superheroes going to war over having to get superhero driver's licences. Shit was stupid.

TBH it'll probably be done better in a movie cause they'll only have to fill 1.5-2 hours instead of dragging that shit out.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: parallax on October 14, 2014, 05:13:34 PM
his spastic LOL HILARIOUS run is one of the worst things to happen to the character. ill gladly take simone back(especially due to her agent x run) than ever hear rumors of him coming back to deadpool

Aside from the Marvel NOW stuff (i.e. the solo book and Thunderbolts) I've read every Deadpool book and Way's run is nowhere near the worst Deadpool (which is the Deadpool from Deadpool MAX).

I can understand why a character who doesn't hide from the puerile nature of comics has always rustled comic fan jimmies doe. :hitler

the deep aspects of his character were thrown out for the sake of hilarity. hes always been a humorous character, but he was never as one not as he was at that point. posehn and duggan are doing a good job at the return to form
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Mr. Nobody on October 14, 2014, 05:13:36 PM
Remember Sally Floyd and the Front line? :holeup
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: parallax on October 14, 2014, 05:14:48 PM
Remember Sally Floyd and the Front line? :holeup

that was the shit cherry. everyone came together to rip that shit apart
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 14, 2014, 05:37:08 PM
if you look up "tryhard" in the dictionary you see the cover of Civil War: Front Line #1
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: thisismyusername on October 15, 2014, 08:04:14 AM
http://mightygodking.com/i-dont-need-your-civil-war/

http://mightygodking.com/images/Civil_War/cwp_02_19.jpg
http://mightygodking.com/images/Civil_War/cwp_02_20.jpg
http://mightygodking.com/images/Civil_War/cwp_02_21.jpg
http://mightygodking.com/images/Civil_War/cwp_02_22.jpg

Forgot all about how terrible that was.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 15, 2014, 08:51:16 AM
As a casual observer, it makes sense to me. People are going to quickly tire of the formulaic comic book movie. Need more stories that are subversions of that formula.

Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: Himu on October 15, 2014, 09:34:48 AM
http://mightygodking.com/i-dont-need-your-civil-war/

http://mightygodking.com/images/Civil_War/cwp_02_19.jpg
http://mightygodking.com/images/Civil_War/cwp_02_20.jpg
http://mightygodking.com/images/Civil_War/cwp_02_21.jpg
http://mightygodking.com/images/Civil_War/cwp_02_22.jpg

Forgot all about how terrible that was.


I'm so split on marvel not having the spider-man license. On one hand, I think they could do a better job with him. On the other, they'd make him a fucking Avenger like in the comics when he has traditionally fought street level threats, isn't a team player except for the occasional fantastic four run in, and is comparingly weak compared to say...iron man or fucking captain America. It's one of the large examples of Marvel's complete misunderstanding of the character in light of chasing after big bucks.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: parallax on October 15, 2014, 10:36:03 PM
http://mightygodking.com/i-dont-need-your-civil-war/

http://mightygodking.com/images/Civil_War/cwp_02_19.jpg
http://mightygodking.com/images/Civil_War/cwp_02_20.jpg
http://mightygodking.com/images/Civil_War/cwp_02_21.jpg
http://mightygodking.com/images/Civil_War/cwp_02_22.jpg

Forgot all about how terrible that was.


I'm so split on marvel not having the spider-man license. On one hand, I think they could do a better job with him. On the other, they'd make him a fucking Avenger like in the comics when he has traditionally fought street level threats, isn't a team player except for the occasional fantastic four run in, and is comparingly weak compared to say...iron man or fucking captain America. It's one of the large examples of Marvel's complete misunderstanding of the character in light of chasing after big bucks.

in major events, everyone is an avenger. and spider man outclasses the hell out of cap. outside of strategizing and art that is. but his solo adventures could be great if done right.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: parallax on October 15, 2014, 10:47:20 PM
Cap beat down Spiderman in his Iron Spider suit, so there's that.

spider man still had respect for him.

if pete was going back in black against him, hed fuck his shit up. even more so if he knows way of the spider
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: parallax on October 15, 2014, 10:58:16 PM
I didn't read the issue, but I liked the panels (which I saw out of context) where Iron Man uses some hack to send false triggers to Spiderman's spider-sense, then shows up behind him and one-shots him.

The movies need to give Iron Man his Bleeding Edge suit. That thing is OP as fuck, but also sick as fuck.

Though I think Iron Man was still in the Extremis suit when he one-shotted Spiderman? With Bleeding Edge that fight would be even more of a curbstomp.

spider mans major malfunction was trusting tony. let him get a read of your powers so he has ways of fucking your shit up.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: bork on October 17, 2014, 05:35:33 PM
We haven't brought up the dumbest part of Civil War: Penance (http://marvel.com/universe/Penance_(Robert_Baldwin))

Speedball (yes, SPEEDBALL) felt so bad about what he did at Stamford, CT that he started wearing a suit with knives on the inside that cut him all the time because GRIMDARK

Speedball
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/5551/597340-picture_20189.gif)

Penance
(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel//universe3zx/images/d/d8/Penance(Baldwin)_Head2.jpg)

And then at some point, he went back to being Speedball again.  Acting the same way.  No scars or anything.   No idea if they ever explained it or if he just magically showed up as Speedball in the new New Warriors.
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: parallax on October 17, 2014, 07:00:29 PM
We haven't brought up the dumbest part of Civil War: Penance (http://marvel.com/universe/Penance_(Robert_Baldwin))

Speedball (yes, SPEEDBALL) felt so bad about what he did at Stamford, CT that he started wearing a suit with knives on the inside that cut him all the time because GRIMDARK

Speedball
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/5551/597340-picture_20189.gif)

Penance
(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel//universe3zx/images/d/d8/Penance(Baldwin)_Head2.jpg)

And then at some point, he went back to being Speedball again.  Acting the same way.  No scars or anything.   No idea if they ever explained it or if he just magically showed up as Speedball in the new New Warriors.

hes still fucked up. hes trying to act like old robbie though
Title: Re: Someone tell me why I need to be outraged by Civil War being in the MCU
Post by: thisismyusername on October 18, 2014, 03:07:24 PM
Actually I read Extremis recently, and that was what really turned me into an Iron Man stanboy. Too bad IM3 made such a mockery of that storyline.

Did we read the same Extremis? The movie actually fixed a lot of the wonky-ness that six-shot storyline had.

The movie nerfed all the battles, turned the middle third into "Adventures of de-powered Stark and some kid from an 80s Spielberg movie", and replaced a somewhat-shallow, but still compelling villain (Mallen) with a bait and switch.

It fixed fairly minor problems by introducing really major problems.

The experience of reading Extremis >>>>> the experience of watching Iron Man 3.

Those "major problems" are only "major problems," for you. IMO.

The entire Extremis plotpoint was badly done. In both the comic and movie. There isn't much you can do for "NEARLY GODLIKE POWERS VIRUS" without having to run the movie/comic for longer due to the battles needing to be more drawn out for Tony to formulate a plan to beat them in that battle without dying.