that nicca was gayAs a window.
Tip: Big L would have been the GOAT if JayZ didn't have his ass shot.
Yeah, Jay had Big L shot..... when he was going to sign him :what :rofl
Hip hop fan fiction :lawd
What about the notion that part of his beef with Biggie was due to dick size jealousy?
nicca had the gay glaze, on the real
When it comes to many (if not most) metrics, Tupac wasn't better than many of his peers. From a lyrical perspective he wasn't as complex as Nas, Big, or Hov. If you look at his albums it's hard to argue he has anything as good as Illmatic, OB4CL, The Infamous, and a host of other classic albums of that era. However Tupac's greatness can be traced to a few specific things.
1) Songwriting. Lyrical miracle rappers don't understand that being super lyrical and being a great songwriter are two different things. Tupac may not have been able to match Nas in terms of song concepts, but as a songwriter I think he was better than his peers. Bridges, hooks, and the simple yet poetic lyrics of many of his best songs.
2) Delivery. Not much I can add that Esch didn't. He's up there with Chuck D and Scarface in terms of having the best voices in rap, and his delivery of lyrics often made the lyrics work.
3) Image. The sex appeal part isn't the only factor. Tupac might be one of the most forceful, charismatic dudes to ever rap. He couldn't be fucked with in terms of standing up for what he believed in, and playing whatever role he was playing.
You can call him "fake" and laugh at his dance education all you want, but any black dude that shoots at police and beats the case isn't "fake" in my eyes. Anyone who refuses to get robbed and ultimately gets shot isn't faking. And lord knows anyone who outright snitches on criminal kingpins and dares them to fuck with him again isn't faking. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-5wK5gF830) Rap is FULL of rappers pretending to be something they're not; shit is basically wrestling brehs, and just about everyone except the Wu Tang is lying about shit they allegedly did. But name me some rappers that didn't back down when tested outside of Pac. I'll wait.
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/80d6216f5d6bb323939e872d1c540d32/tumblr_mlkph4wJee1qlkt4ho1_400.gif)
You can call him "fake" and laugh at his dance education all you want, but any black dude that shoots at police and beats the case isn't "fake" in my eyes. Anyone who refuses to get robbed and ultimately gets shot isn't faking. And lord knows anyone who outright snitches on criminal kingpins and dares them to fuck with him again isn't faking. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-5wK5gF830) Rap is FULL of rappers pretending to be something they're not; shit is basically wrestling brehs, and just about everyone except the Wu Tang is lying about shit they allegedly did. But name me some rappers that didn't back down when tested outside of Pac. I'll wait.If Pac were alive in a post dotcom bubble America, this is what his KTT would read like.
Tip: Big L would have been the GOAT if JayZ didn't have his ass shot.
ODB was three times the thug PAC was bro...get real ...bumpy knuckles....brotha lynch hung...etc hell biggie too
WRT Big L; he already had two albums worth of material and more unreleased and none of it is impressive in concept, it's all punchline battle rap. There's little actual great songwriting potential being displayed. As mediocre as Eminem's output was before he got swooped up by Iovine and turned into the perfect backdrop for dragonball z videos, he even was capable of writing narratives, you can see it in Infinite however small. Even with demo tape 1994 Jay-Z speed and battle rapping you could also see that he had realized the creative limits of ribibibidbiy speed rap and was playing around with narratives and concepts. I never saw any of that in Big L really.:dead
AiA: Biggie knew Pac was about to get robbed and didn't say shit, despite them being friends. That's sucker shit. Same dudes who did it were juxing Diddy at the time.
No one has any info on the dick size issue?
Big L was a whack ass battle rapper whose legacy has been turned into hyperbole by cacs due to his death. Guarantee if L didn't die, no one know who the fuck that man is today.
Big L was a whack ass battle rapper whose legacy has been turned into hyperbole by cacs due to his death. Guarantee if L didn't die, no one know who the fuck that man is today.
Seriously. He'd be in the 'used rapper' bin at goodwill alongside Papoose, Red Cafe, and Uncle Murda. His whole legacy would be "There was a third dude in Children of the Corn?"
I'd say L was a much better rapper than either Mase or Cam, but he completely lacks the appeal those two have that would allow him to cross-over. Mase is an absolute garbage rapper, but he managed to use only real asset, his voice, to make some really strong pop hits. Cam probably wouldn't have been shit if he hadn't been able to pull of the Diplomats, but he managed to strike while the iron was hot in the early aughts and find some legitimate success. Bar for bar, L could rap circles around them both, but he's the archetype of 'rappy NYC rapper'. The audience for that kind of stuff is basically limited to 'real hip hop' types, which isn't very broad.Big L was a whack ass battle rapper whose legacy has been turned into hyperbole by cacs due to his death. Guarantee if L didn't die, no one know who the fuck that man is today.
Seriously. He'd be in the 'used rapper' bin at goodwill alongside Papoose, Red Cafe, and Uncle Murda. His whole legacy would be "There was a third dude in Children of the Corn?"
Now you've gone too far breh. I'm not gonna cosign Harlem feggitry just to pile on Big L. I'm drawing a line in the sand: Big L>>>Camron>Mase>McGruff.
I will say I think Pac was the best musician in rap history. I think that's a big distinction. Other rappers concentrate on being great rappers and not great musicians (talib). A great rapper does not a great musician make, and the reason I think Pac is what rap ever gave us is because he is among the very select few who recognized the distinction. Also, having a gay gene certainly helped his musician-ship.
The one thing i'd have liked to see is if Pac and Biggie's ears for production would have endured, the latter especially.puffy would have ruined him.
The one thing i'd have liked to see is if Pac and Biggie's ears for production would have endured, the latter especially.
Wait, Cam'ron is good? I think I've only ever heard that Hey Ma song, which wasn't too impressive. Dude can actually rap?what follows is all you need to know about Dipset
Nah. I even think Camron > Big L. I don't really like Cam'ron at all as a person and can't stand his stanbase but he has a better catalogue than Big L. And his effect on internet rap culture is pretty hard to deny, plus he had the ability to be funny, even if it is in a 'you are an embarassment' way.
You sure that isn't some internet rap lore? I remember reading the RZA said he was feeling nervous when he went into the studio to do Long Kiss Goodnight since Big and Rae were squabbling at the time. He said he went in, did the beat, and kept it moving, and Biggie died two months later.The one thing i'd have liked to see is if Pac and Biggie's ears for production would have endured, the latter especially.
Biggie planned on doing a street album with RZA, Havoc, and some other grimy dudes on the boards. After that I'm sure he'd go back to in-house Bad Boy shit plus NY staples. His production would pretty much sound like Hov albums of the time+shiny suit shit.
she said rap, not jimmy fallon's backing band :heh
but as far as technical ability is concerned L is far more capable.I feel like L's technical ability is understated whenever he's brought up, and whenever it is it's usually addressing his liggity spliggity rappity rap double time. His breath control and delivery on those radio freestyles was :whew
When it comes to many (if not most) metrics, Tupac wasn't better than many of his peers. From a lyrical perspective he wasn't as complex as Nas, Big, or Hov. If you look at his albums it's hard to argue he has anything as good as Illmatic, OB4CL, The Infamous, and a host of other classic albums of that era. However Tupac's greatness can be traced to a few specific things.
1) Songwriting. Lyrical miracle rappers don't understand that being super lyrical and being a great songwriter are two different things. Tupac may not have been able to match Nas in terms of song concepts, but as a songwriter I think he was better than his peers. Bridges, hooks, and the simple yet poetic lyrics of many of his best songs.
2) Delivery. Not much I can add that Esch didn't. He's up there with Chuck D and Scarface in terms of having the best voices in rap, and his delivery of lyrics often made the lyrics work.
3) Image. The sex appeal part isn't the only factor. Tupac might be one of the most forceful, charismatic dudes to ever rap. He couldn't be fucked with in terms of standing up for what he believed in, and playing whatever role he was playing.
You can call him "fake" and laugh at his dance education all you want, but any black dude that shoots at police and beats the case isn't "fake" in my eyes. Anyone who refuses to get robbed and ultimately gets shot isn't faking. And lord knows anyone who outright snitches on criminal kingpins and dares them to fuck with him again isn't faking. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-5wK5gF830) Rap is FULL of rappers pretending to be something they're not; shit is basically wrestling brehs, and just about everyone except the Wu Tang is lying about shit they allegedly did. But name me some rappers that didn't back down when tested outside of Pac. I'll wait.
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/80d6216f5d6bb323939e872d1c540d32/tumblr_mlkph4wJee1qlkt4ho1_400.gif)
ODB was three times the thug PAC was bro...get real ...bumpy knuckles....brotha lynch hung...etc hell biggie too
Wait, Cam'ron is good? I think I've only ever heard that Hey Ma song, which wasn't too impressive. Dude can actually rap?
It's hard to say. On one hand, Dipset (and Cam) are completely, utterly moronic. On the other, they were good rappers with some solid swag songs and an undeniable sense of humor. They're little more than a gang of buffoons with mics but Cam and Juelz could definitely rap. Cam was the best of the group for sure, he had a sort of self awareness and lovable class clown persona that translated well to the scene at the time.
I'm loathe to praise them because Dipset on some level panders to the worst demographics in rap; morons with no values or goals and irony-thick hipsters.
Wait, Cam'ron is good? I think I've only ever heard that Hey Ma song, which wasn't too impressive. Dude can actually rap?what follows is all you need to know about Dipset
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeXCmfI382U
I will say I think Pac was the best musician in rap history. I think that's a big distinction. Other rappers concentrate on being great rappers and not great musicians (talib). A great rapper does not a great musician make, and the reason I think Pac is what rap ever gave us is because he is among the very select few who recognized the distinction. Also, having a gay gene certainly helped his musician-ship.
"Bitch please"
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cam'ron's whole ... schtick? facade? actual personality? was amusing for me since he successfully managed to be a 'tough guy' street-aspirations rapper dude (Whips on my fists, houses on my wrists, Your budget on my neck, your spouse on my dick) but combined it with goofy rhymes (I get computers putin :dead) so the whole effect is a jux that sounded like he was watching tv the whole time and cashing checks. at it's best it's a pretty compelling combo of superficial swag whip tunes, at it's worst it just sounds empty and annoying.
And therein lies the reason why white hipsters love him so much, he's unserious, you don't really need to like hip hop or take it seriously as an artform in order to like him. He's a jester, a clown. A minstrel show :hitler
Side note: I hate that people seem to be so down on Life After Death :fbm , I love that album, it's so smooth and luxurious and big budget. It might not be super deep but I'll be damned if it isn't a paid vacation to Vegas on wax.
Hell Rell was the best out of all of em. JR Writer had potential but he was forever the mixtape/punchline rapper
get the entire fuck out of here :dead
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The fuck is this shit. Stay in Texas, we don't need you.
No Way Out > Life After Death
The fuck is this shit. Stay in Texas, we don't need you.
No Way Out > Life After Death
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400 Degreez > Life After Death
cam'ron's whole ... schtick? facade? actual personality? was amusing for me since he successfully managed to be a 'tough guy' street-aspirations rapper dude (Whips on my fists, houses on my wrists, Your budget on my neck, your spouse on my dick) but combined it with goofy rhymes (I get computers putin :dead) so the whole effect is a jux that sounded like he was watching tv the whole time and cashing checks. at it's best it's a pretty compelling combo of superficial swag whip tunes, at it's worst it just sounds empty and annoying.
And therein lies the reason why white hipsters love him so much, he's unserious, you don't really need to like hip hop or take it seriously as an artform in order to like him. He's a jester, a clown. A minstrel show :hitler
Side note: I hate that people seem to be so down on Life After Death :fbm , I love that album, it's so smooth and luxurious and big budget. It might not be super deep but I'll be damned if it isn't a paid vacation to Vegas on wax.
"I'm a better child....you a pedophile"
vid
Y'all are acting like children.
The best way to describe Cam after Children of the Corn is "bugged out".:yeshrug
"I'm a better child....you a pedophile"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO8WsAGoGg4
Dre