THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Cheebs on January 21, 2007, 11:16:30 AM
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Screw gaf for threating to pluto me for poll thread. EB LOVES ME. Anyway:
Polls these past few weeks due to McCain's surge support and Bush support has shown him falling. A new poll shows this:
McCain: 47%
Clinton: 48%
McCain: 44%
Obama: 46%
McCain: 43%
Edwards: 48%
PPPPPPPPPPPDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD respond to this!
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HILLARY 4 PRESIDENT
I don't think we should put any person in charge of nukes that gets hormonal once a month lol am i rite guys?
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HILLARY 4 PRESIDENT
I don't think we should put any person in charge of nukes that gets hormonal once a month lol am i rite guys?
Did you see her announcement speech? Her advisor's must have told her she seems to manly or something. Because she acted overly perky trying to seem more womanly. She said stuff like she wants to have "a nice little chat" with the American people.
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MORE TROOPS!
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Wow. I'll eat my crow here. Obama still isn't that big of a name with the average American and he beat out McCain. Maybe there is hope afterall.
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Wow Obama is beating a candidate who is pushing for more troops in a very unpopular war. I am teh amazed!
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Wow Obama is beating a candidate who is pushing for more troops in a very unpopular war. I am teh amazed!
You should be suprised, considering Obama learned politics from the terrorists.
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Obama only has like 23% disapproval numbers last I saw. Bush's are like 60%. Obama is very well liked
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You know what? Thank god for Bush being a failure.
It is saving us from 8 years of McCain due to Bush's mess spreading to McCain.
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HILLARY 4 PRESIDENT
I don't think we should put any person in charge of nukes that gets hormonal once a month lol am i rite guys?
Did you see her announcement speech? Her advisor's must have told her she seems to manly or something. Because she acted overly perky trying to seem more womanly. She said stuff like she wants to have "a nice little chat" with the American people.
It's basically a continuation of her 2000 Senate campaign.
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McCain's previous appearance as a man of principle only makes his fall into cheap pro-Bush demagoguery even MORE insulting. And outside of Hillary's stance on videogaming and censorship overall, what makes her so loathesome -as a candidate-? She's pretty much straight-up moderate liberal.
(If you believe the Whitewater bullshit, largely manufactured by David Brock as it was, GET OUT NOW.)
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If Hillary is the nominee(barring some major major change in Iraq) then she is going to be the next President and the Internet haters have to get used to it.
The thing is at this point any single Democrat in the top tier likely could win in this environment. The same poll asked people between a generic democrat and generic republican. The Republican only got like 30% of the vote.
America just plain doesn't want a Republican in the white house and the more connected to Bush they are (HELLO MCCAIN) the harder they fall.
I saw McCain on Meet The Press the morning and it showed me a reason why he can't win.
The surge is so insanely unpopular, the Republicans are even fighting it except McCain...etc So what does John Edwards start doing? He starts calling the surge "The McCain Doctrine" to attach the insanely unpopular policy to the likely GOP nominee to hurt McCain. Tim Russert asks McCain about this and what does McCain do?
McCain says he is glad that is what it is called and fully supports attaching his name to the much hated policy. What a fool.
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Republicans could really take it if the GOP infighting calms down and they shift way to the center -- the real center, not John McCain's hijacked "Straight Talk Express". But they have to get their shit together now. 1/3 of Republicans it seems are either siding with Democrats or forming similar ideas. And this is at the very beginning of the 110th Congress, so we can expect more Republicans to start jumping ship. If the core of the GOP stops being selfish and gives into a true centrist stance, things could get interesting depending on how the public responds.
Think if they picked Rudy. I don't think they would, but then again maybe there is a delayed response to this 2006 wakeup call that the GOP has yet to show us. Hillary (or any Democrat) would then have to worry about states like Ohio, Florida, AND New York. New Yorkers love Rudy. Quite an uphill battle.
Drinky: I don't know why so many people have a problem with Hillary. I think she's a turnoff to a lot of men who hate the idea of a woman in charge (regardless of party, and boy do we have a lot of men like that in this country), and women who perhaps aren't as passionate and competitive about the workplace... Hillary in the distant past said she isn't just going to "stay at home and bake cookies all day" or something like that. That kind of thing is a huge turnoff to lots of mothers out there, I'm sure. I can just see the anti-Hillary ads now, playing a quote like that and then saying "HILLARY CLINTON DOESN'T CARE ABOUT FAMILY VALUES!"
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They won't wake up that quickly, no party can wake up that fast. It took Democrats 12 years to wake up from the massive Reagan Revolution of 1980.
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All they have to do is make people think they're about change in one way or another -- especially if they focus just on Iraq. Think about it... if they're willing to sacrifice everything they've said about supporting Iraq, they probably wouldn't have to focus on much of anything else. This Week showed a poll taken with every big issue in the the single digits, except Iraq (48%)! The Republicans could pick a candidate who is ultra-conservative in every way EXCEPT he doesn't support the war, and they could really run with that.
Imagine if the GOP goes in for the kill in the eleventh hour and says "you want troops out of Iraq by next year? We'll do it, we promise." The moderate vote is once again up in the air.
I only think that this kind of thing could work for the GOP because, apparently, a lot of people that voted for Democrats last year didn't really want to, but HAD to, because the GOP was so stubborn -- but would have voted Republican if they were willing to change their message.
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New Yorkers love Rudy.
What? You've got to be kidding me. :lol
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Hook me up with some polling data. I could've sworn they had a rather favorable opinion of the guy.
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The problem is this:
McCain: Strongly for the surge and staying in Iraq, the most pro-Iraq War republican this side of Bush and Cheney
Rudy: Nearly as strong for the surge and staying in Iraq as McCain, he is very socially liberal but when it comes to the military and foriegn affairs he is all George W. Bush.
Romney: Just as pro-surge and staying in Iraq as the other two. He wants to be seen as the second coming of Reagan and being tough.
There is only ONE single republican that is not for the surge and sticking in Iraq who might be running. Chuck Hagel. But he hasn't got a chance in hell. He is the Republican version of Joe Lieberman. Democrats like the guy(hell look at liberal blogs, some want him as the VP candidate!) and Republicans think he is a traitor.
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Watch the next President (regardless of party) come out of nowhere, just like Bill Clinton. I just have a gut feeling that is what's gonna happen.
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Watch the next President (regardless of party) come out of nowhere, just like Bill Clinton. I just have a gut feeling that is what's gonna happen.
Republicans it won't happen. The Republicans have nominated the front runner every single time except once, 1964.
Democrats? Sure. They always pick a underdog. Every time except in 1984.
1984 Democratic primaries also was famous for having a black candidate nearly get nominated(Jesse Jackson got in a close second) and was the first time the democrats ever nominated a female(Geraldine Ferraro as the VP running mate)
SOUND FAMILIAR? :lol
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But the Republicans just got their asses kicked, and if they think the frontrunner idea is a bad one this time around, who knows what they will resort to doing?
And yes it sounds familiar, hopefully the result however is different...
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But the Republicans just got their ass kicked, and if they think the frontrunner idea is a bad one this time around, who knows what they will resort to doing?
And yes it sound familiar, hopefully the result however is different...
It doesn't matter how they "think" it's how the money works. The Republican party very much relies on big names for their campaign donations, far more than the democrats. Meaning the front runner gets the big names on their side at the start and by then the others have no chance at making money.
Democrats rather than A LOT of money from few organizations have a lot of power in small donations from individuals or small groups. Meaning its MUCH easier for someone unknown to crack in due to grass roots.
Which is why we often see nobodies get nominated for Democrats.
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Diablos is so paranoid. :lol
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Diablos is so paranoid. :lol
Nah. I just enjoy thinking about this from all angles.
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Here is all you need to know: At this point in the last open democratic campaigns:
Early 2006:
Hillary Clinton is leading by a lot but Obama mania is growing
Early 2003:
Dean mania is taking the party by storm but John Edwards had decent support. Kerry who?
Early 1992:
Paul Tsongas was leading with Jerry Brown in there as the candidate for the liberals. Bill Clinton? Hah! Who cares about some local Arkansas nobody?
Early 1988:
Gary Hart looks to be the one to get nominated but Al Gore seems to be a strong alternative. Dukakis? Who is that?
DON'T WORRY YET Right now everything can change. Because every time in the last 20 years IT HAS! :lol
For Republicans it's going to be McCain. You can't avoid that, the party will stick to it's traditions. It always has.
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It's commonly known that polls are incontrovertible evidence as to how election results will play out
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You're bragging about 2-3% leads? Didn't 2004 teach you anything :lol
Once the debates start and people see Hillary's abrasive talking style opinions will change. Obama lol.
Interesting note on Obama: I went to both my grandparent's houses today. The election came up and one of my grandmas said she was going to vote for Hillary. When my mom asked her about Obama she said she had never heard of him. So I got on YouTube and showed her Obama's entire DNC speech from 2004. Now it looks like she's an Obama supporter.
My other grandma has always been a hardcore Clinton backer so I was surprised when she said she was supporting Obama 100%. Sounds like she loves Bill but feels Hillary isn't fit to serve
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Edwards is the only one of those three where those pollings exist in reality elections.
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You're bragging about 2-3% leads? Didn't 2004 teach you anything :lol
Once the debates start and people see Hillary's abrasive talking style opinions will change. Obama lol.
Interesting note on Obama: I went to both my grandparent's houses today. The election came up and one of my grandmas said she was going to vote for Hillary. When my mom asked her about Obama she said she had never heard of him. So I got on YouTube and showed her Obama's entire DNC speech from 2004. Now it looks like she's an Obama supporter.
My other grandma has always been a hardcore Clinton backer so I was surprised when she said she was supporting Obama 100%. Sounds like she loves Bill but feels Hillary isn't fit to serve
47% of Americans say they don't know enough about Obama to form a strong view on him.
This will change. The question will be will it be for better or for worse?
Also note: in MI primary polling MI is Obama country. We support our fellow mid-western black guys I guess.
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Polls mean little to nothing at this stage, as the GAF mods keep telling people lol.
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(If you believe the Whitewater bullshit, largely manufactured by David Brock as it was, GET OUT NOW.)
Well, David Brock realized his error and became a gay liberal, so it's all :badass
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Hook me up with some polling data. I could've sworn they had a rather favorable opinion of the guy.
Sorry, I don't have any. But I've been living in NY my whole life and I don't remember hearing much people speak good about him. Then again, most people I know are black and hispanic. You won't hear anything good about him from most of us. :P
Doesn NY vote for democrats most of the time anyway? I doubt this state will be voting for any republicans in the next election, regardless of who it is.
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God Beezy get out of this thread. Don't you have some white people to rob right about now? >:(
Brooklyn ass niccas
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God Beezy get out of this thread. Don't you have some white people to rob right about now? >:(
Brooklyn ass niccas
Get it right nicca! I'm from the Bronx, shit happens! >:(
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Bronx, Brooklyn, same thing. Bunch of not so distinguished black fellow spreading AIDS, killing white women, and throwing babies out window
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God Beezy get out of this thread. Don't you have some white people to rob right about now? >:(
Brooklyn ass niccas
Get it right nicca! I'm from the Bronx, shit happens! >:(
Did you steal my bike?
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Bitches. :(
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Polls mean little to nothing at this stage, as the GAF mods keep telling people lol.
Then stop fantasizing about Hillary looking bad in a debate if she may not even get to that point :P
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I like the way you think. :hyper
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Your avatar is weird, change it.
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Your avatar is weird, change it.
Seriously. What the fuck is that shit?
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Right click on it and find out
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disgusting
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Gloria, you're always on the run now
Running after somebody, you gotta get him somehow
I think you've got to slow down before you start to blow it
I think you're headed for a breakdown, so be careful not to show it
You really don't remember, was it something that he said?
Are the voices in your head calling, Gloria?
Gloria, don't you think you're fallin'?
If everybody wants you, why isn't anybody callin'?
You don't have to answer
Leave them hangin' on the line, oh-oh-oh, calling Gloria
Gloria (Gloria), I think they got your number (Gloria)
I think they got the alias (Gloria) that you've been living under (Gloria)
But you really don't remember, was it something that they said?
Are the voices in your head calling, Gloria?
A-ha-ha, a-ha-ha, Gloria, how's it gonna go down?
Will you meet him on the main line, or will you catch him on the rebound?
Will you marry for the money, take a lover in the afternoon?
Feel your innocence slipping away, don't believe it's comin' back soon
And you really don't remember, was it something that he said?
Are the voices in your head calling, Gloria?
Gloria, don't you think you're fallin'?
If everybody wants you, why isn't anybody callin'?
You don't have to answer
Leave them hangin' on the line, oh-oh-oh, calling Gloria
Gloria (Gloria), I think they got your number (Gloria)
I think they got the alias (Gloria) that you've been living under (Gloria)
But you really don't remember, was it something that they said?
Are the voices in your head calling, Gloria?
(Gloria, Gloria, Gloria, Gloria, Gloria)
(Gloria, Gloria, Gloria, Gloria, Gloria)
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I mean if you want to get off on it why is her face like that?
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I just though the pic was hilarious. Like "OMG I HAVE TO PUT THAT IN MY ASS?" :lol
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And outside of Hillary's stance on videogaming and censorship overall, what makes her so loathesome -as a candidate-? She's pretty much straight-up moderate liberal.
Her version of centrism bothers me a bit. It seems like triangulation is the only strategy she knows. She's acutely aware of the issues where Republicans usually beat up on Democrats (wars, traditional morality, etc.), and she focuses her attention on those.
That's understandable, but she approaches those issues by co-opting the right-wing positions rather than building an alternate stance. Her political calculus depends on the belief that a conservative American population stacks the deck against a Democratic candidate, so much so that that candidate can only win by repeatedly and loudly distancing themselves from the left wing.
I understand the need to be/appear moderate, and I can't remember her using any Lieberman-style rhetoric denouncing the peaceniks. But Democrats with that mindset tend to support bad policy to prevent themselves from looking too soft, especially when it comes to war.
Kerry took a lot of flack for shifting his position on Iraq as he saw the anti-war stance pay off for other Democratic candidates, and rightly so. But as long as I'm going to get stuck with someone who panders, I want someone who remembers to sometimes pander to me.
All that said, she's an automatic yes over any Republican (except maaaaaaybe Hagel).
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If Rudy was beloved in NY then why did he run for the Senate in 2000 against Hillary Clinton, realize Hillary Clinton was destroying him in polls, and thus drop out instead of having to deal with defeat?
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Oh snap, he DID do that. I totally forgot about that.
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The only reason I registered as a Democrat a year ago, and this is still the reason, is to put my vote towards a non Hillary candidate for the Democratic party.
OBAMA FTW.
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The only reason I registered as a Democrat a year ago, and this is still the reason, is to put my vote towards a non Hillary candidate for the Democratic party.
OBAMA FTW.
I don't know how it works elsewhere but in MI you can vote in either primary regardless of your party, you just can't vote in both.
For example in 2000 Al Gore ran nearly un-opposed so the primary was useless to vote in that.
At this point Bush was winning every primary nearly and McCain was pretty much over, but Michigan Democrats showed up in droves and voted in the Republican primary, more Democrats voted in it than Republicans meaning McCain won Michigan and not Bush. Fun stuff.
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I'm from Brooklyn... :(
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If Rudy was beloved in NY then why did he run for the Senate in 2000 against Hillary Clinton, realize Hillary Clinton was destroying him in polls, and thus drop out instead of having to deal with defeat?
IIRC: http://archive.salon.com/politics2000/feature/2000/04/28/giuliani/index.html
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If Rudy was beloved in NY then why did he run for the Senate in 2000 against Hillary Clinton, realize Hillary Clinton was destroying him in polls, and thus drop out instead of having to deal with defeat?
IIRC: http://archive.salon.com/politics2000/feature/2000/04/28/giuliani/index.html
Pfft. Hillary was going to beat him and he knew it. If anything cancer would give sympathy votes.
Like look at Tim Johnson. He barely won 6 years ago and was likely to have tough competition in 2008. Till the stroke. He is in rehab now and if he is able to fully recover(looks likely right now) he'll sail to victory. Because "awww he had a stroke" guilt feeling.
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I love you. PM me.
Also, Willco, Hilary is like 70. I am sure her vag is all dried out by now.
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I'm not PMing you or your kind anymore. Star Power made it clear that Gayming Age doesn't like people like me meddling in their affairs. Until I talk to one of the Gayming Age members on the phone I won't send PMs out to anyone
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I'm not PMing you or your kind anymore. Star Power made it clear that Gayming Age doesn't like people like me meddling in their affairs. Until I talk to one of the Gayming Age members on the phone I won't send PMs out to anyone
Why do you want to talk to one of the Gayming Age members on the phone, exactly? I want big dick porn as selected by PD. I don't see why there needs to be fucking DIPLOMACY.
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Star Power sounded lonely :(
I just wanted to talk to him, say hi, etc. If he's like Rocketman he'll complain about his problems for 10min while I give expert advise
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Star Power sounded lonely :(
I just wanted to talk to him, say hi, etc. If he's like Rocketman he'll complain about his problems for 10min while I give expert advise
Expert advice? You can't even spell those words correctly, and you are a naive boy in the big bad world. I dare say that BZ'CHAN is more qualified to be giving people advice.
You just want to talk to him so you could jerk off while talking to an authentic gay man.
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This shit is ridiculous. PD supporting McCain. Sigh.
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This shit is ridiculous. PD supporting McCain. Sigh.
A black man supporting the most right wing republican this side of Bush and Cheney makes NO SENSE
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I never said I was supporting him. I said I'll probably wind up voting for him.
WHY?
Because Hillary will win the nomination. Ban me for a month if she doesn't win it
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Hillary is very very poll driven which is annoying (flag burning and game violence HELLO)
But outside of small issues like that she seems to be loyally progressive. Which McCain isn't.
Is hillary as good as obama or edwards? Hell no, but McCain would keep this country on the wrong track making Iraq a bigger mess than it is.
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Who happens to support the war
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Who happens to support the war
Hillary? She is poll driven remember. She has turned agaisnt the war in the last few months.
She did but she recanted that vote and is now putting forward a bill to cap the number of troops in Iraq.
She is right now calling to defund the Iraqi police force saying they haven't measured up and need to be punished. Which is a rather liberal stance to take.
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Only because things aren't looking good now. She's almost as pathetic as McCain. But at least I feel I can trust McCain over her.
Hillary is going to win the primaries. I don't think there's ever been a primary candidate with more power at his/her finger tips than her. Gore basically shunned a lot of the power he could have had by ignoring Clinton; Hillary won't do that. She's going to put the DLC in power and sow the seeds of democrat domination unless she fucks up.
I think Obama could possibly do similar things, but he simply won't have the mean to combat her outside of the debates.
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Only because things aren't looking good now. She's almost as pathetic as McCain. But at least I feel I can trust McCain over her.
What has McCain done to earn your trust other than switching his views on almost EVERY issue since 2000?
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I don't know. I have a GUT FEELING, seriously. There's something I can't explain about it. And trust me, if it's Hillary vs McCain I will do it with no hesitation
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People going with their "gut" resulted in Bush winning twice. He was someone who appealed to the "gut" rather than "facts".
You are using the same logic for McCain when he disagrees with you on nearly every issue.
Whether you wish to admit it Hillary and you have similar stances on a majority of issues.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Name one issue you agree with McCain on.
Name one.
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Exactly.
Hillary:
Favors:
Abortion is a woman's right
Favors:
Require companies to hire more women & minorities
Strongly Favors:
Sexual orientation protected by civil rights laws
Favors:
More federal funding for health coverage
Strongly Opposes:
Death Penalty
Favors:
Stricter limits on political campaign funds
Strongly Favors:
Replace coal & oil with alternatives
Favors:
Allow churches to provide welfare services
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Sound reasonable?
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I think abortion should also be a man's right.
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Exactly.
Hillary:
Favors:
Abortion is a woman's right
Favors:
Require companies to hire more women & minorities
Strongly Favors:
Sexual orientation protected by civil rights laws
Favors:
More federal funding for health coverage
Strongly Opposes:
Death Penalty
Favors:
Stricter limits on political campaign funds
Strongly Favors:
Replace coal & oil with alternatives
Favors:
Allow churches to provide welfare services
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Sound reasonable?
I cannot understand why any single American would be against those stances, perhaps the only exceptions being the death penalty and of course abortion.
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Hillary:
Favors:
Stricter limits on political campaign funds
I cannot understand why any single American would be against those stances, perhaps the only exceptions being the death penalty and of course abortion.
Why not ask Hillary?
Death Knell May Be Near for Public Election Funds
WASHINGTON, Jan. 22 — The public financing system for presidential campaigns, a post-Watergate initiative hailed for decades as the best way to rid politics of the corrupting influence of money, may have quietly died over the weekend.
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York became the first candidate since the program began in 1976 to forgo public financing for both the primary and the general election because of the spending limits that come with the federal money. By declaring her confidence that she could raise far more than the roughly $150 million the system would provide for the 2008 presidential primaries and general election, Mrs. Clinton makes it difficult for other serious candidates to participate in the system without putting themselves at a significant disadvantage.
More... (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/23/us/politics/23donate.html?hp&ex=1169614800&en=7b41674f5942d683&ei=5094&partner=homepage)
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I think abortion should also be a man's right.
Instead I think child support should be a man's right.
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Hillary was a staucnh Goldwater conservative untill her mid-20's and her parents are big time republicans. She was even in charge of the College Republicans at her school.
Hillary's father during the Clinton years kept saying he hoped his son-in-law would see the light and switch parties.
WHAT IF HILLARY GOES BACK
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WHAT IF HILLARY GOES BACK
Career suicide.
Ironic that she had anything to do with Barry Goldwater though, lolz