Everyone in the HBO music licensing department needs to be fired. They continue to use these horrible songs no one has ever heard and don't fit the trailer every single time. They lower the bar every year.
Everyone in the HBO music licensing department needs to be fired. They continue to use these horrible songs no one has ever heard and don't fit the trailer every single time. They lower the bar every year.
but this one was perfect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I93RFzrPQqw
It has improved dramatically but I agree. S1 was pretty ugly from a directing and cinematography perspective. I still think Alan Taylor brought the show to life best; he directed the last two episodes of S1, which are still probably the best episodes of the show IMO, and a couple episodes of S2.
Apparently the unlucky guy who directed the episode with the Cerse/Jaime rape bullshit wasn't brought back. Despite it not being his fault; the producers edited that nonsense together, which explains the director's puzzlement over the criticism: it's not what he shot.
I wish Cogman just wrote all the episodes tbh. I don't complain about book changes, I'm upset about stupid shit. Like adding action beats because you don't trust your audience to enjoy drama/dialogue. That entire thing with "Yara" and her men trying to free Theon and subsequently running away from dogs was the dumbest thing I saw on television last year.
I "get" why people hated the rape scene but it didn't bother me at all and I guess that's rape culture.
PD where do you get most of your info on this stuff?A lot of articles were written about it after the scene aired. The director seemed completely caught off guard by the accusations and ended up defending what he shot, which angered some bloggers. But quickly it became clear he didn't shoot a rape scene - it was edited that way, and the producers were involved. The director isn't coming back for S6 which kind of makes me wonder if he took a bullet he didn't deserve.
That rape scene was horrible - glad the director was replaced.
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I'M GOING TO GET YOU ESCH AND TRIUMPH
SOMEHOW
SOME WAYspoiler (click to show/hide):stahp[close]
ADWDspoiler (click to show/hide)The preview for S4 makes it look they're not gonna fux with the "Aegon" storyline, tho- Varys just tries to point Tyrion towards Dany.[close]
I almost don't even feel like watching in case of book spoilers, and because maybe it will suck
“People are going to die who don’t die in the books, so even the book readers will be unhappy,” he said. “So everybody better be on their toes. [Showrunners] David [Benioff] and D.B. [Weiss] are even bloodier than I am.” (http://www.slashfilm.com/game-of-thrones-character-deaths/)
He's had money for quite awhile, hence why he didn't sell the rights back when LOTR/Harry Potter were in the theater. I think it's more an issue of him now having a wider spotlight and enjoying receiving props on a higher/mainstream level than just fantasy conventions.
It comes down to time. When he actually sits down and writes for a prolonged period he gets shit done. For instance he hasn't had any major events since late August 2014, and won't have a con until late February. That's about 6 months with few distractions (outside of the minor TWOIAF promo run in New York). When his schedule is riddled with cons and speeches, he doesn't make progress.
I'd imagine he's around 900-1000 MS pages right now; he's said the book will be around 1500 MS pages, like ASOS/ADWD. If he had simply stopped accepting projects after ADWD came out, and lowered his event appearances...the book would probably be nearly done and coming out this year. Instead he wrote and edited a bunch of projects in a gust of optimism. SMH.
I had the feeling for a bit that he's just lost interest in the story, or at least where the story needs to progress from this point.
Like he had it plotted out as some high fantasy good v. evil story back when it was just a trilogy. Then he started writing it and got lost in the pseudo-medieval setting that he clearly loves and ended up writing multiple books mostly about that.
And they were great! Clearly he relishes delving into that world.
Now he has to pivot the story to it's endgame, Light v. Dark, promised one, etc. etc. and just can't be bothered.
S5 trailer speculation/ADWD spoilerspoiler (click to show/hide)Sansa in the Winterfell crypts? Looks like they're replacing the Fake Arya plot with real Sansa. Does that mean Reek will save her?
I know the show isn't the book but man, I can't imagine Littlefinger bringing Sansa within one foot of Ramsay Bolton. I'd imagine he plans some type of revenge but still, that's dangerous as fuck. One screw up and she's pregnant and the game is over[close]
I was gonna hold out for the books but fuck it manIt's not like the last one will come out anyway, at least not with Martin writing it.
I read somewhere that at the end of this season the show will probably catch up with all the published books. Is that true? After they split one of the books into two seasons(right?) I assumed they'd keep doing that since it's not like the material isn't dense and it seems like a good way to milk the books and keep the gap between the two going.
(Illiterate here, so no book spoilers plz.)
This season is going to mix the fourth and fifth books, as well as finish off a couple things from the third book that were missed last season. Without going into spoilers, the fourth (A Feast For Crows) and fifth (A Dance With Dragons) books run concurrently and just focus on separate areas of the world. So AFFC was mainly about the south, like King's Landing (ie the aftermath of Tywin's death). Whereas ADWD featured northern stuff like the Wall, Dany in the east, etc.wait, so no
So yea next season will be completely new material, I think. They've accomplished this by cutting a lot of stuff from the last two books. Those books (specifically AFFC) introduce a bunch of new characters who probably won't appear on the show for budget reasons. Theon's uncles for instance.
This season is going to mix the fourth and fifth books, as well as finish off a couple things from the third book that were missed last season. Without going into spoilers, the fourth (A Feast For Crows) and fifth (A Dance With Dragons) books run concurrently and just focus on separate areas of the world. So AFFC was mainly about the south, like King's Landing (ie the aftermath of Tywin's death). Whereas ADWD featured northern stuff like the Wall, Dany in the east, etc.wait, so no
So yea next season will be completely new material, I think. They've accomplished this by cutting a lot of stuff from the last two books. Those books (specifically AFFC) introduce a bunch of new characters who probably won't appear on the show for budget reasons. Theon's uncles for instance.
[AFFC/ADWD]spoiler (click to show/hide)Euron, Victarion, kingsmoot? how are they handling the whole Iron Islands subplot?[close]
Eh, fuck the leaks; way more fun to watch this over the weeks than all at once.
Eh, fuck the leaks; way more fun to watch this over the weeks than all at once.
On on hand, I agree, and I'd rather watch them in better quality on GO. On the other hand, there's no way I'd be able to maintain that much self control over the next four weeks...piratebay got murked tho.
I was firmly in TeamDanaerys after s1 but I dunno, the more time that goes on the more I'm starting to dislike her. Dunno what it is.it's because she's a mighty whitey Mary Sue
Lame episode. I was kinda hoping they'd start it with what I was hoping to see at the end of last season -. Can't wait to see people lose their shit when she shows up.spoiler (click to show/hide)introducing Lady Stoneheart[close]
I was firmly in TeamDanaerys after s1 but I dunno, the more time that goes on the more I'm starting to dislike her. Dunno what it is.
I was firmly in TeamDanaerys after s1 but I dunno, the more time that goes on the more I'm starting to dislike her. Dunno what it is.
Her first season was the most eventful and interesting by far. Since then she has been treading water, worse than ever since she's been in Mereen. No one cares about any of that shit. We just want to see her fuck shit up in Westeros with Drogon.
Lame episode. I was kinda hoping they'd start it with what I was hoping to see at the end of last season -. Can't wait to see people lose their shit when she shows up.spoiler (click to show/hide)introducing Lady Stoneheart[close]
They said that's not going to be in the show.
Lame episode. I was kinda hoping they'd start it with what I was hoping to see at the end of last season -. Can't wait to see people lose their shit when she shows up.spoiler (click to show/hide)introducing Lady Stoneheart[close]
They said that's not going to be in the show.
Seriously? That sucks.
People say that about Jon Snow but I still like him. :larry
I hope to god they advance Dany and Tyrion past the books this season. Dany should be pretty easy to do, Tyrion, not sure.
HBO’s Game of Thrones certainly isn’t dragon in the ratings: Sunday’s Season 5 premiere drew the fantasy drama’s largest audience to date, our sister site Variety reports.http://tvline.com/2015/04/14/game-of-thrones-ratings-record-season-5-premiere/
According to a Nielsen estimate, about 8 million people tuned in to the series’ 9/8c broadcast. That number was up 17 percent (1.16 million viewers) from Season 4’s premiere and clocks in at roughly 800,000 more viewers than any other Thrones episode ever.
The drama’s previous high came from the Season 4 episode “Mockingbird” — AKA the one where Littlefinger killed Lysa by pushing her out the moon door — which drew 7.195 million viewers.
So do you think we'll get like 0 Bran this season, PD?
Dany really should have had a longer speech hammering home the importance of the law and sentence by trial, instead of looking around for long periods of time looking dumb before finally giving the order to chop the guy's head off. Lots of dead air there that could have been used to make it clear what was going on.
Also, I hope Drogon factors into the next couple eps cause otherwise his appearance right at the end was totally pointless.
not everyone can be a GOAT like me tho. Except Stannis.
:lawd
i always thought the ineptitude of Dany was the point of her character and a part of her arc
she gets her wish - she's a ruler - but she's inexperienced and she sucks at it and makes constant mistakes.
There's been a lot for enthusiasts of the source material to complain about with this show since the beginning of Season 2, but it's still pretty impressive what these showrunners have managed to do. It could be MUCH worse. I think the show could have really been GOAT material if someone like PD or myself had been in the writers room and on set with veto power to shoot down the worst of Benioff and Weiss' ideas and steer them in the right direction when they got too off track.
Just not enough time. I love Dorne, especially Doran. That's such a great role for an actor too, depending on which way the show goes with it. Someone who is strong yet constantly in pain. It'll be interesting to see how the show portrays him in the future. That first introduction scene was too abrupt for me. And I wasn't a fan of Ellaria either. Not because her personality has been changed for the show, but because it felt rather cheesy.
Everything I've read about the Sand Snakes from reviewers who saw the screeners...doesn't sound good. And ties into my complain about cutting corners and taking the most shocking route.
Echoing the above sentiments. As much as I hate to admit it, GoT caters first and foremost to "mainstream" tastes, as broad as it sounds. It goes for the cheapest possible way to try and engage the audience: Characters spelling shit out when the medium gives you room for more brevity and subtext, pointless action scenes, bare and simplified dialogue, plot contrivances and shit that just don't make sense, not to mention the super stereotypical portrayal of every foreigner (though Martin also has a lot of blame in that). I have a feeling the sandsnakes are somehow going to manage to be more cornball than their book counterparts.Definitely. Like I said, the preview stuff looks like the rushed the casting of them. Just cornball look stuff. A bunch of fragile vaguely ethnic looking girls.
Benioff pitched the show as "The Sopranos on Middle Earth" or something like that. I wish they had the subtlety and trust for their audience as the former did.
There's been a lot for enthusiasts of the source material to complain about with this show since the beginning of Season 2, but it's still pretty impressive what these showrunners have managed to do. It could be MUCH worse. I think the show could have really been GOAT material if someone like PD or myself had been in the writers room and on set with veto power to shoot down the worst of Benioff and Weiss' ideas and steer them in the right direction when they got too off track.I don't think that'd work. Good books don't make good TV. Martin himself knows and talks about this quite a lot.
There's been a lot for enthusiasts of the source material to complain about with this show since the beginning of Season 2, but it's still pretty impressive what these showrunners have managed to do. It could be MUCH worse. I think the show could have really been GOAT material if someone like PD or myself had been in the writers room and on set with veto power to shoot down the worst of Benioff and Weiss' ideas and steer them in the right direction when they got too off track.
A Feast for Crows and ADWD were messes. Changes will obviously have to be made.This is essentially it. The first three books were focused and well plotted, the last two were bloated disasters taken a whole that didn't leave me feeling particularly good about the next ones in the series. Trimming some of the fat is a good thing.
A Feast for Crows and ADWD were messes. Changes will obviously have to be made.This is essentially it. The first three books were focused and well plotted, the last two were bloated disasters taken a whole that didn't leave me feeling particularly good about the next ones in the series. Trimming some of the fat is a good thing.
we'll find out about Bran next season.
That was a very good, focused episode. Each arc received a solid amount of time, there was no clip show feel like past episodes, etc. Nice pacing, and btw Walrus it would have been impossible to pull off if they had stuffed every arc into this season.
And of course, what I've been waiting for...
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:lawd
Show is fucking garbage.
i will say if there's gonna be a lot of Tommen and Margaery trolling the shit out of Cersei then I'm looking forward to it.
Tommen's like "Damn ma, the wifey can take care of me AND she gives me pussy? I'mma need you to (http://i.imgur.com/U24MIgN.png)"
how much time has actually passed in the GOT books at this point?
cause the natural aging of the characters of the TV shows works better and it sells shit like "The North remembers" really well.
I understand the narrative reason for killing Selmy, show wise.
adwdspoiler (click to show/hide)Basically he exists as an adviser, and Dany is about to get a new one (Tyrion). It's the same reason a black guy dies on Walking Dead shortly after a new one arrives. And ironically it's similar to why many people think Barristan will die early in TWOW, before Dany returns. Too many characters in one place.[close]
I can at least imagine Barristan getting killed due to being overrun. But the idea of Unsullied getting wrecked by dudes wielding KNIVES? Nope.
ADWDI understand the narrative reason for killing Selmy, show wise.
adwdspoiler (click to show/hide)Basically he exists as an adviser, and Dany is about to get a new one (Tyrion). It's the same reason a black guy dies on Walking Dead shortly after a new one arrives. And ironically it's similar to why many people think Barristan will die early in TWOW, before Dany returns. Too many characters in one place.[close]
I can at least imagine Barristan getting killed due to being overrun. But the idea of Unsullied getting wrecked by dudes wielding KNIVES? Nope.
Yeah, the Unsullied got jobbed HARD. That was some shit.
PD-
adwdspoiler (click to show/hide)You think Tyrion will get there soon?[close]
I didn't get the impression the unsullied were nerfed. they got ambushed in the streets by overwhelming force. maybe it wasn't shown as obviously but that's clearly the intention
bunch of salty dudes in this thread.
Doesn't matter what kind of soldier you are: when you have to fight with a spear in a narrow area and have to fight against multiple enemies that are a) in the majority, b) equiped with daggers/short-swords and c) have no interest in fighting an honorable fight but kill you no matter what instead, chances are pretty high that you get killed. The Unsullied are fantastic soldiers; compare the amount of Unsullied corpes with the amount of Harpy corpses and you'll see despite being at a disadvantage they managed to kill all of them.:bolo Fire Emblem has well established that lances>short sword, good sir.
Right now I'm happy that things get finally interesting in Mereen and King's Landing; the real Game Of Thrones starts now.
Doesn't matter what kind of soldier you are: when you have to fight with a spear in a narrow area and have to fight against multiple enemies that are a) in the majority, b) equiped with daggers/short-swords and c) have no interest in fighting an honorable fight but kill you no matter what instead, chances are pretty high that you get killed. The Unsullied are fantastic soldiers; compare the amount of Unsullied corpes with the amount of Harpy corpses and you'll see despite being at a disadvantage they managed to kill all of them.:bolo Fire Emblem has well established that lances>short sword, good sir.
Right now I'm happy that things get finally interesting in Mereen and King's Landing; the real Game Of Thrones starts now.
This show fell off so fucking fast it's insane.
I dislike how each of them seems like the same character, whereas each had a different personality in AFFC. Super high cheese factor...
Is it confirmed Barristan got merked? I initially read it as the Harpy starting the killing stroke but not finishing it because Grey Worm spears him. They both collapse from earlier wounds
All this shit is more ham-fisted than a Willco jerk-off session.
The actor who plays Barristan confirmed it. He said he was very excited about this season because of the stuff Barristan does in ADWD...then he got the script and realized it was only a few pages, and didn't include any of the cool stuff he does in the book. He wasn't happy about it but understood the decision.
Study is that a spoiler or safe to click
The more this season goes on the more I realize how bad the last books were. You'd need three seasons to cram in all the boredom Martin managed out of those two books.
Thing that bothers me about Cersei right now is the Faith Militant and the High Sparrow in the books iirc were like a snap judgement made during the time when shit's all crumbling around her. The king's gotta help us says the Sparrow. I can't fucking arm you, but how about you all just deal with it yourself. The book made it seem like she had just outmaneuvered the High Sparrow into the pocket of the King by currying favor but did that shit in ignorance in a way that leads to all kinds of otherblowback without her realizing it.
Show version's basically this bitter old bitch who used them as a proxy to fuck up Loras and snap back at Margery. The Sparrow even warns her that she's about to fuck up way more forward than in the books, that this shit isn't answering to the King. In the books it's like she misjudges him for some overly pious dude when he asked to be armed. In the show he's straight up with her about the plan she puts out and yet she's still like lol do you
Sparrow: (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/ufdup.png)
Cersei: :yeshrug
Net effect is the same in the end I guess, but it feels more satisfying the way it seems to play out in the books to me. Whatever tho
Was weird seeing how they changed the way Danny and the one Fighting Pit guy eventually get married. I remember he was the one relentlessly pursuing her in the book and suggesting they get married. In the show he's always sounds like he's about to cry.
Was weird seeing how they changed the way Danny and the one Fighting Pit guy eventually get married. I remember he was the one relentlessly pursuing her in the book and suggesting they get married. In the show he's always sounds like he's about to cry.
This season is molasses. It's slower and duller than season 2. We're half way done and it feels like NOTHING has happened!
This season feels so slow, oh my god. :-\
I feel like show watching people would have gotten really excited over Aegon VI.
... or maybe not since they have no context of the House of Targaryen
Please use spoiler tags.
adwdspoiler (click to show/hide)There's a rumor that Trystane will take the place of Aegon in the show, ie be a Targ pretender for Dany to face off with. Dunno if I buy it yet. Honestly I'm surprised we're 5 episodes in and there has only been two Dornish scenes[close]
Walrus was right.
Dorne :dead
Let's not even address the books, and think about this purely from a show perspective. So the heir of one of the major houses in Westeros...who is walking around in the gardens of his father's castle...is somehow so alone that two dudes could sneak in and find their way to him without any trouble? Likewise, the Sand Snakes could sneak into the castle and also get to him without running into guards until the last minute?
:neogaf
And this goes back to the absurdity of one of the most recognizable, famous men on the continent being able to sneak into Dorne alongside one other dude to rescue a princess in broad daylight. Let's say the plan was successful. What next? Do they have a secret Lannister ship hidden somewhere? Nope. Could they find a port and ship? Maybe, but the show already established that snitches gonna snitch. It reminds me of last season with the guy who tried to capture Bran for the Boltons. What the fuck was his plan, to carry Bran over the fucking Wall? These plots are ridiculous.
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/17/game-thrones-sansa-wedding?hootPostID=cb4fb5ebb39487410ec3a66ed5fc2ba4
She sounds pretty kinky
Yeah Dorne feels like I am watching Hercules or Xena. The fight choreography is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad and there is like two sets.
How many times will Obara Sand tell us her name is Obara Sand lmao.
Stan for the worst character in all the books but be shocked when a rape happens brehs
The weirdest part was when you have one of the exec producers leaning over your shoulder, going, 'You can go full frontal, you know. This is television, you can do whatever you want! And do it! I urge you to do it!' So I was like, 'Okay, well, you're the boss.'http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=34164
This particular exec took me to one side and said, 'Look, I represent the pervert side of the audience, okay? Everybody else is the serious drama side, [but] I represent the perv side of the audience, and I'm saying I want full frontal nudity in this scene.' So you go ahead and do it.
spoiler (click to show/hide)Only thing that really bothers me is that Jaime's still out there seemingly trying to save his daughter so he can go back and hit it with Cersei. By the end of this season that bitch is gonna be in chains and I feel like it's going to turn into a save Cersei chapter in the next season. Which if it does basically flies in the face of everything Jaime is being built up as in the books. IIRC when she finally reached out to Jaime while she was locked up he was basically like lol nah. I don't see this going down in the show unless they throw some contrived reasoning about how Jaime will somehow learn what is going down and suddenly come to some conclusion that Cersei was always terrible while still in Dorne.[close]
spoiler (click to show/hide)Only thing that really bothers me is that Jaime's still out there seemingly trying to save his daughter so he can go back and hit it with Cersei. By the end of this season that bitch is gonna be in chains and I feel like it's going to turn into a save Cersei chapter in the next season. Which if it does basically flies in the face of everything Jaime is being built up as in the books. IIRC when she finally reached out to Jaime while she was locked up he was basically like lol nah. I don't see this going down in the show unless they throw some contrived reasoning about how Jaime will somehow learn what is going down and suddenly come to some conclusion that Cersei was always terrible while still in Dorne.[close]
affcspoiler (click to show/hide)Pretty sure they've confirmed Cersei's walk of shame is in this season, so she won't end the season in chains[close]
affcspoiler (click to show/hide)What is Jaime's character development arc now? It's been all over the place. From him killing his cousin to raping Cersei I'm baffled by the decisions and they really just go back to the point about D&D doing whatever it takes to create a shocking or "interesting" beat. Jaime's AFFC arc is pretty damn good, and he comes full circle from a development standpoint. He's clearly no longer the man he was when he first entered the Riverlands in the first book, and his actions as a commander and politician are quite impressive.
Why not have him go to the Riverlands but also bring back the Brotherhood to create some intrigue. Jaime finishing off the war while hunting and being hunted by the Lightning Lord. They don't even need Lady Stoneheart for any of this btw; I'm fine with cutting her.[close]
One of my bigger fears:
adwdspoiler (click to show/hide)Is that they're going to fuck up Jon's story. No Melissandre at the wall = no resurrection from getting stabbed like I'm assuming will happen in book 6. Looks like Sam isn't being sent away either from the previews for next week. I've largely defended the showrunners from what I feel is misguided criticism amongst the "Martin is a literary deity" dickrider set here on the forums, but making changes that don't make for compelling storytelling or really, any sense at all is no longer something I can defend from a "these are different storytelling mediums, you morons" standpoint.
...although, I will say again... the show got worse storyline wise when the books did
:heh[close]
One of my bigger fears:
adwdspoiler (click to show/hide)Is that they're going to fuck up Jon's story. No Melissandre at the wall = no resurrection from getting stabbed like I'm assuming will happen in book 6. Looks like Sam isn't being sent away either from the previews for next week. I've largely defended the showrunners from what I feel is misguided criticism amongst the "Martin is a literary deity" dickrider set here on the forums, but making changes that don't make for compelling storytelling or really, any sense at all is no longer something I can defend from a "these are different storytelling mediums, you morons" standpoint.
...although, I will say again... the show got worse storyline wise when the books did
:heh[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)The Hardholme fight is in ep8. What if Jon gets betrayed and stabbed after returning to the Wall in ep9 or 10. Meanwhile Stannis is injured or dies near Winterfell. Melisandre convinces Selyse to allow her to sacrifice Shireen to save Stannis. Shireen is burned/killed, Stannis doesn't revive...and instead the last shot of the finale is Jon opening his eyes, which are now blue.[close]
One of my bigger fears:
adwdspoiler (click to show/hide)Is that they're going to fuck up Jon's story. No Melissandre at the wall = no resurrection from getting stabbed like I'm assuming will happen in book 6. Looks like Sam isn't being sent away either from the previews for next week. I've largely defended the showrunners from what I feel is misguided criticism amongst the "Martin is a literary deity" dickrider set here on the forums, but making changes that don't make for compelling storytelling or really, any sense at all is no longer something I can defend from a "these are different storytelling mediums, you morons" standpoint.
...although, I will say again... the show got worse storyline wise when the books did
:heh[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)The Hardholme fight is in ep8. What if Jon gets betrayed and stabbed after returning to the Wall in ep9 or 10. Meanwhile Stannis is injured or dies near Winterfell. Melisandre convinces Selyse to allow her to sacrifice Shireen to save Stannis. Shireen is burned/killed, Stannis doesn't revive...and instead the last shot of the finale is Jon opening his eyes, which are now blue.[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)Breh, you need to stop Stannis stanning
:ufup[close]
One of my bigger fears:
adwdspoiler (click to show/hide)Is that they're going to fuck up Jon's story. No Melissandre at the wall = no resurrection from getting stabbed like I'm assuming will happen in book 6. Looks like Sam isn't being sent away either from the previews for next week. I've largely defended the showrunners from what I feel is misguided criticism amongst the "Martin is a literary deity" dickrider set here on the forums, but making changes that don't make for compelling storytelling or really, any sense at all is no longer something I can defend from a "these are different storytelling mediums, you morons" standpoint.
...although, I will say again... the show got worse storyline wise when the books did
:heh[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)The Hardholme fight is in ep8. What if Jon gets betrayed and stabbed after returning to the Wall in ep9 or 10. Meanwhile Stannis is injured or dies near Winterfell. Melisandre convinces Selyse to allow her to sacrifice Shireen to save Stannis. Shireen is burned/killed, Stannis doesn't revive...and instead the last shot of the finale is Jon opening his eyes, which are now blue.[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)Breh, you need to stop Stannis stanning
:ufup[close]
acok/adwdspoiler (click to show/hide)"Glowing like sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king who cast no shadow."
:yeshrug
Stannis? Somebody is coming back in the show and the books. I'd imagine Jon will be in Ghost for most of TWOW but I could definitely see Shireen being used to revive him or Stannis. King's blood.
Stannis :rejoice
did you read the Theon TWOW chapter? That's my king :tocry[close]
AFFC/ADWD were a lot better than this season of the show.
What a crazy fucing mess the last two books were. I mean there's some cool stuff in there, but honestly had he just advanced the action with a quick recap it would have been the same fucking thing.spoiler (click to show/hide)Tyrion's story is boring, Dany's story makes you want to kill yourself until the pit, Jaime does whatever can't really remember, there's tons of time spent on the psychotic Iron Islanders who are basically just chapter on chapter of shock scenes, Cersei, who the books have worked to make a cunning ruthless politician is just revealed to be an idiot because reasons, Arya is cool but again, fuck all happens, there's probably some other stuff I'm missing but who cares because it's not that interesting. Great books.[close]
ADWDToo much shit in the books with absolutely no payoff. To do everything they'd have to do two booooooooooooooring seasons.spoiler (click to show/hide)Guess they couldn't afford to cast those extra Frey members/Northern lords. No show of power and authority from the Boltons by marrying a Stark heir, no houses scheming under the blizzard snow, no pies, no Abel, no top 3 arc in the entire series brehs. :tocry[close]
The wedding was so low key. It's as if they're making the world and the consequences of those in power smaller and smaller as the show goes on.
spoiler (click to show/hide)Davos is the GOAT
I forgot what he was doing. Isn't he shacked up with that fat ass Manderly dude who at some point seemed like he was going to hang him?
That was like the one part of the book I was like shit this is dope af then they served up those frey boys, no?[close]
Goddamn I don't even think its that bad. Sometimes shows have poor seasons.
Martin then went on to defend producers David Benioff, Dan Weiss and Bryan Cogman’s overall faithfulness to his novels. “There has seldom been any TV series as faithful to its source material, by and large (if you doubt that, talk to the Harry Dresden fans, or readers of the Sookie Stackhouse novels, or the fans of the original Walking Dead comic books),” he wrote. “But the longer the show goes on, the bigger the butterflies become. And now we have reached the point where the beat of butterfly wings is stirring up storms, like the one presently engulfing my email. Prose and television have different strengths, different weaknesses, different requirements. David and Dan and Bryan and HBO are trying to make the best television series that they can … but all of us are still intending that at the end we will arrive at the same place.”
PD, what rape scene are you referring to from last season?
PD, what rape scene are you referring to from last season?
Jaime and Cersei.
We'll see. I'm not expecting a Wheel Of Time type situation. Most readers are familiar with the struggles Martin had with those two books; he basically had to re-write a 1000 page book. With that structural problem solved it should be smoother sailing, narrative wise. My only concern is whether he can wrap it up in seven books. He says he'll be busy killing people off so we'll see, I guess.
Now that I think about it brehs, wasn't the trial scene nearly as dumb too? A squire dresses his knight, which means a squire would no doubt see his knight nude at some point or another. Hell the show touched on this earlier with Podrick removing Brienne's armor. So why would a squire knowing intimate details of his knight's body be slam dunk evidence in a trial? Especially a trial for a religion that regulates knighthood.
:neogaf
PD acting like Martin isn't struggling with this book as well :neogafWe'll see. I'm not expecting a Wheel Of Time type situation. Most readers are familiar with the struggles Martin had with those two books; he basically had to re-write a 1000 page book. With that structural problem solved it should be smoother sailing, narrative wise. My only concern is whether he can wrap it up in seven books. He says he'll be busy killing people off so we'll see, I guess.:sabu
The majority of readers of any given title have absolutely no clue what's gone on with the creation process. They just know that 'wow, that guy is sure taking his time' or 'wait a minute, the new one's out'.And even if they did happen to know, no non-stan is going to sit there and be like " GRRM wrote 2 wack 1000 page books but it's okay because they were originally a wack 1000 page book that had too many flashbacks in it."
GRRM wrote a book that was bad, so bad that he knew it wasn't up to snuff and canned it. Then he wrote a bad book after that, having already formulated ideas previously for a now defunct book. And then the sequel to that was worse.
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I'll believe when I see it, but yeah, this is going to be 5 years as well.
Gotta say, with how much the show has been irking me lately, I'd been considering reading the books just to see if they're any better than show, as I've heard it's gone pretty far off the rails in relation to the books lately. The talk about the books on the last couple pages makes me feel like I won't like them any better than the show though. Worth a shot? How many books in til they get lame?
Now that I think about it brehs, wasn't the trial scene nearly as dumb too? A squire dresses his knight, which means a squire would no doubt see his knight nude at some point or another. Hell the show touched on this earlier with Podrick removing Brienne's armor. So why would a squire knowing intimate details of his knight's body be slam dunk evidence in a trial? Especially a trial for a religion that regulates knighthood.
:neogaf
:lol contra i was just about to post something like thatYeah, PD can pretend that Martin has some 300 page ace up his sleeve to quickly fix two big unfinished books and set up the big finale but honestly we're nearing 5 years and Martin hasn't even done that. At least going into the 6th one I won't have any hopes and I'm pleasantly surprised.spoiler (click to show/hide)Going three to 4 was one of the biggest book disappointments ever. It dropped when I was 15, i was so excited for the new book :gladbron
You keep reading and reading and reading and you realize slowly that nothing's actually happening that's worth giving a fuck about. It's a 1000 page Westeros/Essos travelogue and by 80% through like everyone else who isn't a stan I was desperate for the smallest semblance of entertainment or something worth giving a fuck about :tocry
then 90 percent of the way through you realize, damn, i'm reading a wack book :( :( :( , hopefully this was just setting things up and the next one will be good :) . Maybe i missed some subtle stuff, or something interesting from previous books :)[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)(http://i.imgur.com/4vMBPV4.png)[close]
Also, does Littlefinger's scheme make a bit of sense? Was there any hint of secrecy around him bringing Sansa to Winterfell and the Boltons that I missed?
I got the impression he was openly marrying her off as her Step-Uncle (or whatever), her closest living paternal figure.
Also, does Littlefinger's scheme make a bit of sense? Was there any hint of secrecy around him bringing Sansa to Winterfell and the Boltons that I missed?Actually I think it does.
I got the impression he was openly marrying her off as her Step-Uncle (or whatever), her closest living paternal figure.
:lol contra i was just about to post something like thatYeah, PD can pretend that Martin has some 300 page ace up his sleeve to quickly fix two big unfinished books and set up the big finale but honestly we're nearing 5 years and Martin hasn't even done that. At least going into the 6th one I won't have any hopes and I'm pleasantly surprised.spoiler (click to show/hide)Going three to 4 was one of the biggest book disappointments ever. It dropped when I was 15, i was so excited for the new book :gladbron
You keep reading and reading and reading and you realize slowly that nothing's actually happening that's worth giving a fuck about. It's a 1000 page Westeros/Essos travelogue and by 80% through like everyone else who isn't a stan I was desperate for the smallest semblance of entertainment or something worth giving a fuck about :tocry
then 90 percent of the way through you realize, damn, i'm reading a wack book :( :( :( , hopefully this was just setting things up and the next one will be good :) . Maybe i missed some subtle stuff, or something interesting from previous books :)[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)(http://i.imgur.com/4vMBPV4.png)[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)I think the pit sums up the books the best way, there's lots of palace intrigue and scheming and boredom and suddenly a dragon comes down from the sky and we don't really need to worry about that anymore[close]
Also, does Littlefinger's scheme make a bit of sense? Was there any hint of secrecy around him bringing Sansa to Winterfell and the Boltons that I missed?Actually I think it does.
I got the impression he was openly marrying her off as her Step-Uncle (or whatever), her closest living paternal figure.spoiler (click to show/hide)
Littlefinger wants to not just be in charge of the vale he wants the north.
Littlefinger can't have the north. The Boltons have taken it.
Littlefinger can't go and take it over. Even if he succeeds the crown can claim he's a usurper.
Littlefinger needs to have a reason to go and take it over.
Littlefinger knows that if Sansa is involved Cersei is dumb enough to give him whatever he wants.
Littlefinger leaves Sansa there to get info on the Boltons, see their strength while giving him an excuse to go to go Cersei and be made warden of the north.
After the battle between the Boltons and Stannis he goes in and takes over with the crown's approval
The only thing is, this only works if all he wants is to be warden of the north, he wants everything. He would hold the vale and the north. He could use Sansa to rally the north then take over Castly Rock (I mean who's there now?). But then why go through all this then? Cersei will demand Sansa be killed. And that would put Littlefinger's plot to an end after he was warden of the north.[close]
That's a risk he takes. But a reasonable one in that he can be pretty sure that any witnesses wont be able to get to King's landing before him or if there were they'd be Boltons and Cersei's not going to trust them after Littlefinger got to her.Also, does Littlefinger's scheme make a bit of sense? Was there any hint of secrecy around him bringing Sansa to Winterfell and the Boltons that I missed?Actually I think it does.
I got the impression he was openly marrying her off as her Step-Uncle (or whatever), her closest living paternal figure.spoiler (click to show/hide)
Littlefinger wants to not just be in charge of the vale he wants the north.
Littlefinger can't have the north. The Boltons have taken it.
Littlefinger can't go and take it over. Even if he succeeds the crown can claim he's a usurper.
Littlefinger needs to have a reason to go and take it over.
Littlefinger knows that if Sansa is involved Cersei is dumb enough to give him whatever he wants.
Littlefinger leaves Sansa there to get info on the Boltons, see their strength while giving him an excuse to go to go Cersei and be made warden of the north.
After the battle between the Boltons and Stannis he goes in and takes over with the crown's approval
The only thing is, this only works if all he wants is to be warden of the north, he wants everything. He would hold the vale and the north. He could use Sansa to rally the north then take over Castly Rock (I mean who's there now?). But then why go through all this then? Cersei will demand Sansa be killed. And that would put Littlefinger's plot to an end after he was warden of the north.[close]
But word of Littlefinger giving Sansa over to the Boltons would/should reach Kings Landing, Cersei would/should have him killed
spoiler (click to show/hide)What sucks is when you realize halfway through book four that all the AMAZING SHIT that goes down in the latter half of book three was just Martin pulling the wool over your eyes brilliantly. There's clearly no direct route he had planned to get from building the finale, he was just making it up as he went along. All the people who died, the big plans, a mystery character brought in at the end, it's all just kind thrown in there. There's some good stuff in the books for sure, but they're a huge letdown from the first three.[close]
spoiler (click to show/hide)What sucks is when you realize halfway through book four that all the AMAZING SHIT that goes down in the latter half of book three was just Martin pulling the wool over your eyes brilliantly. There's clearly no direct route he had planned to get from building the finale, he was just making it up as he went along. All the people who died, the big plans, a mystery character brought in at the end, it's all just kind thrown in there. There's some good stuff in the books for sure, but they're a huge letdown from the first three.[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)Which mystery character are you referring to?
I didn't get that impression at all. In fact many of the big events in the third book are either foreshadowed or outright prophesied in the second book - Dany sees the Red Wedding in the House Of The Undying, Patchface sings about it in the same book, and even Theon has a dream about it. That all happens in the second book. Likewise you've got Aegon in the House Of The Undying visions as well.
We can argue over book quality but if there's one thing I don't think is fair at all, it's the assertion that these things were just being made up on a whim. I can't think of many huge events off the top of my head that didn't have any groundwork leading up to it.[close]
Gotta say, with how much the show has been irking me lately, I'd been considering reading the books just to see if they're any better than show, as I've heard it's gone pretty far off the rails in relation to the books lately. The talk about the books on the last couple pages makes me feel like I won't like them any better than the show though. Worth a shot? How many books in til they get lame?
Gotta say, with how much the show has been irking me lately, I'd been considering reading the books just to see if they're any better than show, as I've heard it's gone pretty far off the rails in relation to the books lately. The talk about the books on the last couple pages makes me feel like I won't like them any better than the show though. Worth a shot? How many books in til they get lame?
The problem with the ASOIAF troll train is that they often paint the books as not worth reading. Not true. The first three books are fantastic and perfect compliments to the show. The books delve into places the show only hinted at. The books contain a vast world and myriad of characters with different viewpoints and struggles and despite all of this remains coherent. Book three, A Storm of Swords, is one of the best fantasy novels I've ever read. The problem is books 4 and 5, which really aren't terrible. They have their problems, the biggest of which being pacing, but they also have entire sections where you just can't put the book down. So I think calling them terrible is more than harsh, despite their very glaring flaws, and I think from a fan perspective, they're still worth reading due to hose very good moments. And, honestly, I'm not sure why anyone would expect more of the same after the complete blood bath that was ASOS.
Read the books if you want fuller, more in-depth story that isn't full of bad characterization of the sake of shock value. That's not to say the books don't have their moments with being hamfisted, but they do it much less. Want to know the history behind every location? Want to know who Jon Snow's parents are without being rendered into confusion (I'm fully expecting "who the hell is that?" When its revealed on the show) because the show couldn't be assed to develop the backstory or history? Want to know what the characters are thinking and their motivations? Read the books. The show is like ASOIAF Sparknotes in how it treats a lot of the story, but that should be a reasonable expectation due to the limitations of different medium adaptation.
The books and show aren't either/or. They are natural compliments. I think enjoying the show will help you enjoy the books more, and possibly, vice versa.
I still think AFFC has Martin's best prose. The evocative introduction to Dorne, Jaime's vigil over his father's body, Septon Meribald's monologue about broken men...just some really good stuff. It's not a book of major events or plots coming to a climax but it's full of great dialogue.
"Egg, I dreamed I was old."
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AFFCspoiler (click to show/hide)cersei's maegi vision, walk of shame, Jaime throwing her letter in the fire[close]
:lawd
People say Tyrion has the best character arc, but for my money it's Jaime. Have no idea what's going on with the show and him lately. When Andrex said Jaime's story was boring I literally raised my eyebrow.
:what
They were handed that arc on a silver platter. What they do? Why is he in Dorne?
We'll see. I'm not expecting a Wheel Of Time type situation. Most readers are familiar with the struggles Martin had with those two books; he basically had to re-write a 1000 page book. With that structural problem solved it should be smoother sailing, narrative wise. My only concern is whether he can wrap it up in seven books. He says he'll be busy killing people off so we'll see, I guess.
I see it as essentially having the same issue. The show isn't perfect, but some portions of it have encapsulated the winding narratives of the last two books better than Martin had with less to say had it been translated to a book. I'm not a fan of overwrought narratives, the last two books definitely suffer it much in the same way Jordan did since his editor and wife never told the dude no. idk who the fuck GRRM's editor is but I'm not fond of them either atm. I don't care if your narrative piece has a million loose ends leading to a grand finale, you're already going so many directions within a set number of books and nothing is proving to me that you can lock it up. Maybe he'll prove me wrong, maybe he'll finish every side narrative with a neat bow. I doubt the fuck out of it though, he's not as godly a writer as his stans make him out to be by a long shot.Now that I think about it brehs, wasn't the trial scene nearly as dumb too? A squire dresses his knight, which means a squire would no doubt see his knight nude at some point or another. Hell the show touched on this earlier with Podrick removing Brienne's armor. So why would a squire knowing intimate details of his knight's body be slam dunk evidence in a trial? Especially a trial for a religion that regulates knighthood.
:neogaf
Yes to all of that. Which is why most people are harping on that trial too. Margery got put in, not for being so suspect that she couldn't be trusted to sire a true heir, but rather cause she lied to some fucking cacs who got their shit in a bunch over her lying about her gay brother. It's all dumb and the proof was weak af.
:what
They were handed that arc on a silver platter. What they do? Why is he in Dorne?
Jaime is going to Dorne to rescue Myrcella with Bronn. He's an idiot that's still pining for Cersei on the show as far as anyone can tell.
Show only watchers: do you know who Raegar is? Don't look him up, just do you know who he is?
spoiler (click to show/hide)What sucks is when you realize halfway through book four that all the AMAZING SHIT that goes down in the latter half of book three was just Martin pulling the wool over your eyes brilliantly. There's clearly no direct route he had planned to get from building the finale, he was just making it up as he went along. All the people who died, the big plans, a mystery character brought in at the end, it's all just kind thrown in there. There's some good stuff in the books for sure, but they're a huge letdown from the first three.[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)Which mystery character are you referring to?
I didn't get that impression at all. In fact many of the big events in the third book are either foreshadowed or outright prophesied in the second book - Dany sees the Red Wedding in the House Of The Undying, Patchface sings about it in the same book, and even Theon has a dream about it. That all happens in the second book. Likewise you've got Aegon in the House Of The Undying visions as well.
We can argue over book quality but if there's one thing I don't think is fair at all, it's the assertion that these things were just being made up on a whim. I can't think of many huge events off the top of my head that didn't have any groundwork leading up to it.[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)I think he means Stoneheart.
I actually liked all the foreshadowing Martin does. Like I remember hearing about Stannis in Book 1 and thinking he's gonna be real important latter. They gave a good impression and built him up well before he even appeared in Book 2. Likewise, they built up Mance Rayder through rumours and stuff from the start and same with Ramsay. I loved how they start talking about this psycho crazy bastard of Bolton through rumors in either book 1 or book 2 and slowly and slowly you keep hearing more about him and getting a picture painted and then surprise Reek turns out to be him and it becomes a huge arc that eventually takes the place of the Lannisters in Book 4/5. I feel like a lot of the stuff in book 4/5 was built up earlier in the series and it's a nice payoff seeing it play out. I think Book 6 is gonna be a lot of payoff, so definitely pretty excited for that whenever it gets a release date.[close]
genre fiction.
Genre is a myth.
AFFC was great.
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Cersei plot in AFFC fucking owns. Bebpo you cray.
Cersei plot in AFFC fucking owns. Bebpo you cray.
The Margery jealousy stuff was really drawn out and lame. The rest is great yeah.
I don't agree with all of this post but fanboys should pay attention to this:If anything, Book IV and V of SoI&F have a lot in common with the meandering nature of say, Book VII or VIII of Wheel of Time.
I'd been thinking similar when i was reading through AffC and ADWD; a lot of the same tedium that stans defended in Lord of Chaos -> Path of Daggers.
it's 'worldbuilding', isn't it though? :heh
What are some good fantasy books for me to read if love the first three ASOIAF books?
So let's see, you want dark fantasy novels in a crapsack world where the bad guys always seem to win?
Prince of Nothing comes to mind immediately.
What are some good fantasy books for me to read if love the first three ASOIAF books?
Plus one for The First Law trilogy, though I still need to buy and trad the third...
What are some good fantasy books for me to read if love the first three ASOIAF books?
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Unless you can't stand young adult literature and incredibly Gary Stu main characters.What are some good fantasy books for me to read if love the first three ASOIAF books?
If you haven't read The Name of the Wind and (to a lesser extent) The Wise Man's Fear, you're really missing out.
I certainly liked reading the first three Wheel of Time books better than I liked reading the first three Song of Ice and Fire books.
Wheel of Time is heroic journey / high fantasy. That's more my cup of tea than dark and crapsack with a healthy portion of Machiavellian antics.
I would recommend either series. Both series do eventually go off the rails, and I would warn folks of that fact beforehand.
You can take the first three Wheel books as a standalone trilogy and they'd still be a good story with clear acts and a resolution.
When I was done reading the first 3 Song books, I was just struck by how we had a lot of dead Lannisters and Starks and very little movement towards the ice monster necromancy problem.
You could make damn good fantasy action films out of Wheel of Time, and I hope that happens someday.
Someone send me The Book of the New Sun in epub format, please and thank you
Fuck there's going to be more Dorne on Sunday and in the rest of this season.
:snoop
I just saw a bit of an interview where one of them says she trained for the fight choreography for over two weeks.
:heh
Nolan-esque fight choreography failures.
I certainly liked reading the first three Wheel of Time books better than I liked reading the first three Song of Ice and Fire books.
Wheel of Time is heroic journey / high fantasy. That's more my cup of tea than dark and crapsack with a healthy portion of Machiavellian antics.
I would recommend either series. Both series do eventually go off the rails, and I would warn folks of that fact beforehand.
You can take the first three Wheel books as a standalone trilogy and they'd still be a good story with clear acts and a resolution.
When I was done reading the first 3 Song books, I was just struck by how we had a lot of dead Lannisters and Starks and very little movement towards the ice monster necromancy problem.
You could make damn good fantasy action films out of Wheel of Time, and I hope that happens someday.
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WoT in essence is all light on prose heavy on descriptive text the same way Tolkien does. I blame the the times for just how it worked out initially. Dude should have had his wife on his back earlier, but the the same, prose in WoT is pretty shit. Then again so was the Tolkien prose which is why people were critical of his work too, but he still has solid books nonetheless. I just take it as some writers excel in certain ways better than others. Of the current crop Sanderson does fantastically in describing action sequences, but his shit feels like it's almost a fucking young adult book. Personally I've grown fond of Brian McCellan's Powder Mage series. That dude's doing solid work. Fleshed out characterizations, a vivid world, low fantasy but there's like an industrial boom of tech going on so while magic has its place it isn't the end all.
I held on to WoT way longer than most did, but one book just broke me. I forget which one it was, but it started out with a couple hundred pages of no-name female :ferengi characters sitting around each patting themselves on the back cause the just calmly proved they were the biggest alpha bitch in the camp. The plot being moved forward during this was them talking about a bowl. Some of the main characters drop in and out and do absolutely nothing for about another 500 pages. Then in the last chapter outtanowhwere Rand does something pretty pivotal to the series and I guess sorta coolspoiler (click to show/hide)when he cleanses the Taint :teehee[close]
Tits were unnecessary, but they were nice though
I believe they said it was the prelims or whatever, not the "real" fighting pits.
Pirate, man in his 40’s to late 50’s. He’s “an infamous pirate who has terrorized seas all around the world. Cunning, ruthless, with a touch of madness.”
He’s a dangerous-looking man. A very good part this season.
Father. Aged 50’s to 60’s, he’s one of the greatest soldiers in Westeros- a humorless martinet, severe and intimidating. He demands martial discipline in the field and in his home. It’s described as “a very good part” for next year and that he’s “centrally involved” in a protagonist’s storyline.
Best episode maybe all season? Fixed what was probably the biggest problem with the books (Tyrion and Dany not really doing much), Jonathon Pryce killed it as usual, Stannis doing his thing. Aemon :tocry The one I part I had a huge problem was (book spoilers):spoiler (click to show/hide)In the books when Gilly and Sam finally get together it's such a sweet moment, Aemon has just died and Sam is bereft when the summer islanders tell him what's up. Instead we get an attempted rape :beli[close]
the fact that there's a goddamn baby up at The Wall that clearly isn't aging all that much.oh wow, I legit never thought about this
Sir Jorrah of the friendzone lit up like a kid on Christmas morning when he heard the word Queen, he ain't even know if they were talking about a queen mattress, queen ants, or whatever.
Preview for next week makes me think that
Extreme speculation:spoiler (click to show/hide)Jorah is getting executed.[close]
You going to keep staning for Stannis after he barbecues his kid, PD?
So glad he made it out. Bro-giant. :punchI thought she was safe but then she loaded her daughters in the boat and knew she was dead. RIP free folk waifu.
I fully expected that woman to die. So predictable. :-\
why did I read PD's spoiler lol :-\
Also, that whole sequence just really goes to prove that Walking Dead is some fucking kindergarten shit
Toku:
ADWDspoiler (click to show/hide)Yes. They've been telegraphing all season that Ollie will be one of the betrayers. I'm just curious whether Thorne will be too. I'd guess it'll happen in episode 10. Perhaps Stannis will die in episode 9, Jon will get stabbed in episode 10. Melisandre will try to revive Stannis by sacrificing Shireen, pray for the savior to arise...and Jon will open his eyes. Fade to black.[close]
I'm hyped as fuck to watch this, and my fucking dumbass roommate is watching some bullshit anime :maf
do the horsemen control the undead? was the second boss timing his flourish to the dead rising or was he casting a spell or something. I'm not sure if I missed lore about this.
Question about this episode:spoiler (click to show/hide)Valyrian steel is just as good as dragonglass? No one knows how to make it anymore, right? And did they lose all of their dragonglass during that fight?[close]
spoiler (click to show/hide)Jon Snow:
- Goes to the wildlings. They wont follow. A White Walker attack convinces them otherwise.
- Jon gets in a fight with a white walker and kills it with Sam's Dragon glass[close]
That asshole kid is probably gonna side with Jon in the next episode. Then he'll probably be killed. For shock value.No way,
I feel confident in this bet.
That asshole kid is probably gonna side with Jon in the next episode. Then he'll probably be killed. For shock value.No way,
I feel confident in this bet.
He's the one that thrusts the knife. Count on it.
D&D have been pounding into us the last 3 episodes "This kid is pissed about his parents and he's having a hard time with it."
Why do that unless he's going to be the one that does it.
I kind of drifted out and stopped watching this show last season. I've mainly seen lots of complaining so far about this season, but is it still generally good? If winter finally, actually is coming, it might get a lil good?
:larry
Could go either way. We'll see. But I'd be surprised if there's any stans left after this seasonThat asshole kid is probably gonna side with Jon in the next episode. Then he'll probably be killed. For shock value.No way,
I feel confident in this bet.
He's the one that thrusts the knife. Count on it.
D&D have been pounding into us the last 3 episodes "This kid is pissed about his parents and he's having a hard time with it."
Why do that unless he's going to be the one that does it.
Nah, it's all just a redherring. Another Bronn is poisoned bit. It'll end up with him helping in some way, then giving a solem nod because that's all he's worth before they execute the kid. I can see it now, the stans will gush at the misdirection.
spoiler (click to show/hide)So Littlefinger's gonna kill Kevan isn't he?
Varys is gone, Cersei will be locked up till the trial. D&D setting up for him to maneuver his way on the the small council somehow or directly influencing the king as the hand or some shit.
That's my guess as far as the show goes. Somehow it seems to messy of a rise to me though. I hope I'm wrong, I feel like that's getting shoehorned in to basically set him up as that bad dude twirling his mustache for the season end.[close]
Walrus is a Walt White stan breh. He probably finds Cersei sympathetic.Best episode of the season by far.
When Cersei gets out, she really needs to just slaughter the sept down to the very last nun.
Pretending that Cersei isn't fundamentally evil and doesn't deserve every last bit of this is pretty derp.
Nothing they could do with that character could ever evoke sympathy, only schaudenfraude.
GUUURM says he'll try and drop the next book in 2016.
Is Winds even preorderable yet? If not, I don't trust it dropping anywhere till the end of '16 if that unless we have a hard date by December of this year.
I'd expect his publishing house to give it at least a year of preorder time given the relative scale of fandom.
No one saw that comingWhen she said, "I'm right behind you"
:hitler
Wrote my thoughts in the superior forum (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=165985819&postcount=9715)
Yup and she was even worse with Dinklage. She's just bad. I thought Harrington (Jon) was pretty bad for years but he has been very solid over the last two seasons.
The best young performer on the show has to be Alfie Allen. I would have never guessed it.
Yup and she was even worse with Dinklage. She's just bad. I thought Harrington (Jon) was pretty bad for years but he has been very solid over the last two seasons.
The best young performer on the show has to be Alfie Allen. I would have never guessed it.
The tears when Dany picks a weakened Westeros clean and f's up all your favorite Failbaddons. :rejoice
Yup and she was even worse with Dinklage. She's just bad. I thought Harrington (Jon) was pretty bad for years but he has been very solid over the last two seasons.
The best young performer on the show has to be Alfie Allen. I would have never guessed it.
Arya tho
:bolo
The tears when Dany picks a weakened Westeros clean and f's up all your favorite Failbaddons. :rejoice
Your tears when the white walkers fuck Dany up and Jon motherfucking Snow rides in on an ice-dragon named Ygrette to save the day :rejoice
The tears when Dany picks a weakened Westeros clean and f's up all your favorite Failbaddons. :rejoice
Your tears when the white walkers fuck Dany up and Jon motherfucking Snow rides in on an ice-dragon named Ygrette to save the day :rejoice
You're banking on a Starke, think about that one.
4.8 seasons in and the Starks somehow still have 2 daughters, 2 sons, and 1 bastard still breathing. :yeshrug
Even a few minutes in the first scenes north of the wall I'd already sort of sniffed out that things where of a better quality
4.8 seasons in and the Starks somehow still have 2 daughters, 2 sons, and 1 bastard still breathing. :yeshrug
He lost his brothel. :larry
I don't think the tax code of the Seven Kingdoms has allowances for involuntary conversions. :sabu
Tormunds pretty effective at changing folks minds.
Even a few minutes in the first scenes north of the wall I'd already sort of sniffed out that things where of a better quality
That's been the north and the wall in general for five seasons now. Every time a scene lit with eery ghost light and pallid inhabitants comes on; my dick twinges with the anticipation of 15 minutes of quality entertainment.
Tormunds pretty effective at changing folks minds.
Game of Thrones VFX editor Katherine Chappell Killed in Lion Attack
http://winteriscoming.net/2015/06/03/game-of-thrones-editor-katherine-chappell-killed-in-lion-attack/
fuck, RIP
:lol That stare down between Snow and the WW at the end. You would think they would be paddling feverishly to get away, but then it shows the top down shot and they are just sitting in the water 20 feet from the dock not rowing at all. :comeon
:lol That stare down between Snow and the WW at the end. You would think they would be paddling feverishly to get away, but then it shows the top down shot and they are just sitting in the water 20 feet from the dock not rowing at all. :comeon
It's not like the zombies were trying to swim after them.
:lol That stare down between Snow and the WW at the end. You would think they would be paddling feverishly to get away, but then it shows the top down shot and they are just sitting in the water 20 feet from the dock not rowing at all. :comeon
It's not like the zombies were trying to swim after them.
If they could they wouldn't have to swim far.
"Nothing stops the White Walkers..."(except a few feet of water)
The Walrus just might die tonight (heart attack). I'm not even joking.
Depends. Did PD take that chip...and EAT IT?!The Walrus just might die tonight (heart attack). I'm not even joking.
Is this some Death Note shit right here? :ohhh
Kind of like how we should just nuke Iraq and start over
I'll watch the episode later tonight.for all of the hand wringing that went on yesterday, it really isn't a bad episode. Dorne is actually tolerable, Stannis's camp, for all the grief it got, is really well acted, Daznak's was dope - Tyrion, Hizdahr, Daario and Dany banter a little, I thought that was well done.
Dorne just hammered in the "why?" of the whole thing. You have some great actors, some fan favorites from the book, and you manage to do...nothing with it.
Man I love Davos, books and show. Cunningham has really done a great job bringing him to life, and you can tell he loves the role; he doesn't have a whole lot of scenes but nails every one.
adwdspoiler (click to show/hide)He's not my favorite character (that would be Tyrion and Arya) but he's in my top five. And if I could choose one person who gets to survive the series I'd pick him. Just go home to your wife n kids bro. Be safe and live out the rest of your days, far removed from war and politics.
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I'll watch the episode later tonight.
adwdMan I love Davos, books and show. Cunningham has really done a great job bringing him to life, and you can tell he loves the role; he doesn't have a whole lot of scenes but nails every one.
adwdspoiler (click to show/hide)He's not my favorite character (that would be Tyrion and Arya) but he's in my top five. And if I could choose one person who gets to survive the series I'd pick him. Just go home to your wife n kids bro. Be safe and live out the rest of your days, far removed from war and politics.
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I'll watch the episode later tonight.spoiler (click to show/hide)Davos is gonna take a knife to the ribs or some shit before this series is out.
Dude is too nice of a guy to live long in that world.[close]
I'll forgive the CGI issue of Dany riding on the dragon. It's hard to pull that off. However I can't forgive the generally cheesy way in which the scene was set up, or dues ex dragona way in which he arrived. Just an odd decision, dramatics wise. Not a fan.
I'll forgive the CGI issue of Dany riding on the dragon. It's hard to pull that off. However I can't forgive the generally cheesy way in which the scene was set up, or dues ex dragona way in which he arrived. Just an odd decision, dramatics wise. Not a fan.
I am NOT a book reader and I won't feign any expertise in terms of how dragons behave in this particular universe. But are Targaryens supposed to have some sort of psychic link with their dragons? Because it seemed like that's what they were doing. I'm not trying to pretend like I'm Nostradamus here, but when she grabbed Missandei's hand and closed her eyes I assumed a dragon would appear because it just kind of seemed to me like she was trying to telepathically summon her dragons. Or the show was trying to convey that her emotional state was so strong that her dragons would be able to sense that she was in danger. Like I said, I'm not even sure if that's a thing that dragons and/or the Targaryens are supposed to be able to do. But it seemed like the dragon was summoned and didn't just appear as a deus ex machina.
I'm okay with Stannis burning Shireen. It's not like he did it on a whim, he was facing certain defeat and with the help of Mel and his wife, was convinced it would all be for nothing unless he sacrificed his otherwise mostly useless daughter. It was all or nothing for him. Plus I'm pretty confident it will all blow up in his face anyways.
Whatever. :yeshrug Maybe I'm just more forgiving than most, but the reaction from book readers just hammers in how disconnected I am from most of them. The whining after every episode is unbelievably tedious. At this point it would be nice if they'd just shut up about it and stick to the books.
Dany's shit has always sucked
I'll forgive the CGI issue of Dany riding on the dragon. It's hard to pull that off. However I can't forgive the generally cheesy way in which the scene was set up, or dues ex dragona way in which he arrived. Just an odd decision, dramatics wise. Not a fan.
I am NOT a book reader and I won't feign any expertise in terms of how dragons behave in this particular universe. But are Targaryens supposed to have some sort of psychic link with their dragons? Because it seemed like that's what they were doing. I'm not trying to pretend like I'm Nostradamus here, but when she grabbed Missandei's hand and closed her eyes I assumed a dragon would appear because it just kind of seemed to me like she was trying to telepathically summon her dragons. Or the show was trying to convey that her emotional state was so strong that her dragons would be able to sense that she was in danger. Like I said, I'm not even sure if that's a thing that dragons and/or the Targaryens are supposed to be able to do. But it seemed like the dragon was summoned and didn't just appear as a deus ex machina.
PD acting like the actual Daznak's Pit scene in the book wasn't Deus Ex Dragona up in here...
Seems a pretty clear setup - she's going to O-Ren Ishii the guy.
So Meryn Trant is a pedophile. I mean of course he is. It never could have been otherwise.
So Meryn Trant is a pedophile. I mean of course he is. It never could have been otherwise.
Plenty of great shows have off seasons. Friday Night Lights and The Wire come to mind.
Just learned about some book fuckery that might show up in the finale, wow if its true
Only click if you've read all the books I guessspoiler (click to show/hide)Catelyn gets resurrected and starts murking all her enemies? dafuq ???[close]
Just learned about some book fuckery that might show up in the finale, wow if its true
Only click if you've read all the books I guessspoiler (click to show/hide)Catelyn gets resurrected and starts murking all her enemies? dafuq ???[close]
Walrus Was Right.
next season is gonna be a train wreck lol
SHAME SHAME SHAME
SHAME SHAME SHAME
"You want a good girl, but you need bad pussy":neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf
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The handling of Stannis' story was pure amateur hour. 20 men sneak into his camp and magically destroy all his resources without anyone hearing/seeing anything, thus resulting in him burning his daughter in a last ditch effort to survive the storm/hunger. The blood magic works but he loses half his army to desertion. Now he convienantally has no horses and thus no scouts to determine the enemy has left Winterfell and is planning to ambush him.
Are you serious?
How many seasons can they wring out of Winds of Winter? 2?
Or fuck it, they could just do whatever they feel like. It really doesn't matter as it hasn't for pretty much this entire season.
Holy shit, is Stannis a Stark? :lol
There's no one left to root for brehs :tocry
There's no one left to root for brehs :tocry
This show invests in so many storylines that culminate into nothing but farts in the wind.
So was Jon reading the pink letter or what?
Could have cut the longass walk and given Jon 5 more minutes to make "for the watch" make just a little more sense.
No Frey pies :(
Jon gets stabbed yet there is no trigger moment to bring the Watch to that point; presumably the wildlings crossed the Wall days or weeks ago and not a single incident or problem happened.
There's nothing implausible about a Stark not considering the practical consequences of their actions or that people might just act outside the structures of tradition for their own benefit. It's as Stark as failing spectacularly or prattling on about winter coming.
Snowglobe had to execute someone and Stannis was like, "Breh srsly these brehs don't like you--watch yo back. :ufup" Pretty sure he knew his position was tenuous.
I'm not moving my goal posts- I'm flat out admitting that I was wrong. D&D have proven themselves to be not very good when left to their own devices, bad ass 15 minute zombie battles notwithstanding.Actually I'd agree Martin is more interested in worldbuilding in AFFC/ADWD, and took the story in a couple places it didn't need to go. You could also argue that all this happened specifically due to his original plan (the five year gap) not working. In short he ended up showing a lot of stuff he initially planned on skipping with a time jump. With regard to the next book I think it's troll shit to outright argue it's going to be bad...when literally every story arc is popping off or on the verge of doing so. Given what we already know about the book it sounds quite ASOS-esque. So...
That doesn't change the fact the past two books have been not so good, and that it is increasingly obvious that world building (all of the non-book SoIaF projects Martin has taken on since ASoS) prove that he's more interested in building a world than crafting a coherent narrative. Go ahead and offer some evidence that I'm wrong on that. I'm waiting.
I'm not saying that producers/actors have never been deceptive before or that things can't change between now and then, but everything coming from Harington and the showrunners right now is that Snow is unambiguously gone and that Harington isn't coming back.
Really interested to see what next season's viewership numbers look like. I know of more than a few people who say they're dropping the show at this point.They come back. They always come back. I mean look at the Sansa thing. After that episode my facebook was filled with "I'm so disgusted! I'm never watching this misogynistic show ever again!" (but in page long screeds)
Really interested to see what next season's viewership numbers look like. I know of more than a few people who say they're dropping the show at this point.They come back. They always come back. I mean look at the Sansa thing. After that episode my facebook was filled with "I'm so disgusted! I'm never watching this misogynistic show ever again!" (but in page long screeds)
Then last week all those self same people were like "oh no! Jon Snow!!!"
:comeon
“David Benioff and Dan Weiss … are no longer telling the same story as ‘A Song of Ice and Fire.’ They’re telling a cheaper, bastardized, dollar-store version of it, complete with all the loathsome tropes of Hollywood that drove George R.R. Martin to write his magnum opus in the first place.”
PD and I DEFINITELY would have done a better job running this season than Benioff and Weiss did.
My girlfriend each time some rape shit was just :kobeyuck
It's not that rape can't have a fucking place, sure whatever. D&D just straight suck at using it effectively outside of pure shock value. All just comes off as real fucking tone deaf to the average person who isn't riding the shows fucking dick. Jaime/Cersei shit was fucking awful. Gilly almost being sexually assaulted then fucking Sam as well was like fucking what. Sansa shit in the grand scheme of her entire arc now just seems meaningless.
Outside of the second to last episode this was easily the worst season.
My girlfriend each time some rape shit was just :kobeyuck
It's not that rape can't have a fucking place, sure whatever. D&D just straight suck at using it effectively outside of pure shock value. All just comes off as real fucking tone deaf to the average person who isn't riding the shows fucking dick. Jaime/Cersei shit was fucking awful. Gilly almost being sexually assaulted then fucking Sam as well was like fucking what. Sansa shit in the grand scheme of her entire arc now just seems meaningless.
Outside of the second to last episode this was easily the worst season.
Speaking of Sansa, what exactly was her arc? The writers claimed she made a conscious choice for vengeance, and thus accepted the consequences of anything that followed (ie her rape). Yet in the last episode she escapes Winterfell. So where's the vengeance? I thought LF told her to avenge her family...
:snoop
Not to mention the insanity of LF not knowing anything about a guy who skins people who don't pay taxes...
SPOILARZ
http://t.co/xDkISly9ghspoiler (click to show/hide)I told you so.[close]
HBO says Game of Thrones will be at least eight seasonshttp://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/30/game-thrones-eight-seasons
“Seven-seasons-and-out has never been the [internal] conversation,” Lombardo said to critics at the Television Critics Association’s press tour Thursday. “The question is how much beyond seven are we going to do. [Showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss are] feeling like there’s two more years after six. I would always love for them to change their minds. That’s what we’re looking at right now.”
And what about a prequel series?
“I would be open to anything Dan and David want to do,” Lombardo said. “It really would depend fully on what they want to do. I think you’re right, there’s enormous storytelling to be mined in a prequel. We haven’t had any conversations.”
I wonder how much creative control the upper brass at HBO has, considering the very best of the network. Maybe they consider it True Blood tier and don't give a fuck as long they get that "mass appeal".
If the retread the AFFC stuff to the point where Sansa goes back to the Vale, I will :dead
Prequel is an awful idea, it would tank so hard.I wonder how much creative control the upper brass at HBO has, considering the very best of the network. Maybe they consider it True Blood tier and don't give a fuck as long they get that "mass appeal".
If the retread the AFFC stuff to the point where Sansa goes back to the Vale, I will :dead
Well GURM was pissed that they revealed the battle of Winterfell results and the Shireen death so there's that. But honestly he can fuck off, he sold the tv rights before finishing the books, he opened himself up for this due to his desire to be relevant on TV again.
Prequel is an awful idea, it would tank so hard.I wonder how much creative control the upper brass at HBO has, considering the very best of the network. Maybe they consider it True Blood tier and don't give a fuck as long they get that "mass appeal".
If the retread the AFFC stuff to the point where Sansa goes back to the Vale, I will :dead
Well GURM was pissed that they revealed the battle of Winterfell results and the Shireen death so there's that. But honestly he can fuck off, he sold the tv rights before finishing the books, he opened himself up for this due to his desire to be relevant on TV again.
They didn't reveal anything. I tried to find a source for that and this is what I got:
http://winteriscoming.net/2015/05/06/george-r-r-martins-editor-is-unhappy-with-game-of-thrones-departures-from-the-books/
http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/06/george-rr-martin-showrunner-war/4/
Just sounds like GRRM thinks the show is kind of dumb now and isn't going to comment on what is from his outline and what isn't because that's spoiling what will happen in the books (makes sense). I still don't really think the TV show has spoiled anything for the books yet. Though I guess we'll see when we read Book 6.
“The show is moving forward like a locomotive, or sometimes a jet locomotive,” Martin said. “They’re writing 60-page scripts, I’m writing 1,500-page novels. So who the hell knows?
I’m just going to tell my story, and they’re telling their story and adapting my books, and we shall see.
“There was a period where I was worried about that,” he said. “Then I said, to hell with that. Worrying about it isn’t going to change it one way or another. I still sit down at the typewriter, and I have to write the next scene and the next sentence … I’m just going to tell my story, and they’re telling their story and adapting my books, and we shall see.”
If TWOW isn't out or announced by July 2016? Sure, I'l be on your side.
Sources report that Danish actor Pilou Asbæk will be playing the role of Euron Greyjoy.http://watchersonthewall.com/sources-report-euron-cast-major-scene-filmed-today-in-ballintoy-harbour/#more-43831
Asbæk starred in the successful Danish series Borgen as Kasper Juul, along with GoT guest star Birgitte Hjort Sørensen. He appeared as Paolo Orsini on The Borgias, and is playing Pontius Pilate in the newest version of Ben-Hur.
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Sources report that today Game of Thrones is filming portions of a massive battle in Saintfield, Northern Ireland, that will likely be a part of episode nine. Preparations and the beginning of filming were seen in that area recently, but it was difficult to glean many details. We’ve learned that the battle will involve many northern armies fighting including the Umbers, the Boltons, wildlings and more! The true major spoiler is this: Kit Harington a.k.a Jon Snow was also seen at the location, participating in shooting this week.http://watchersonthewall.com/game-of-thrones-gets-theatrical-plus-massive-spoilers-for-season-six/#more-44852
So basically...speculation/ASOS and ADWD spoilersspoiler (click to show/hide)"Jon Snow is dead," long live Jon Stark?[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)Well that's one way to do it and pretend they weren't lying.[close]
N+W=J.
Also, I'm really hoping Rickon is never mentioned again, in the books and the show. Do it like Judy Winslow. GRRM is hopefully enough of a troll that he'd consider this.
N+W=J.
Also, I'm really hoping Rickon is never mentioned again, in the books and the show. Do it like Judy Winslow. GRRM is hopefully enough of a troll that he'd consider this.
First official S6 promo pic. Spoiler warning
https://twitter.com/GameOfThrones/status/668821378544570368