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Title: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 03, 2015, 08:23:38 PM
I'm taking a vacation soon and was going on a 1 week cruise to Alaska and then staying a week in Seattle/Portland with the SO.  SO can't make it, so I'm going solo and everything after the cruise is booked non-pre-paid and 100% changeable and I already have ok from work to have the week off and have caught up on my work. 

We were going to Portland because we've never been and it was nice and simple hop over from Seattle where I'm disembarking from my cruise since traveling distances is hard for my SO.  However, now that I don't have any travel restrictions, I can disembark in Vancouver which has an international airport and maybe instead of Portland, I'm thinking maybe jump over to Paris or Germany for the week?  I've never been to Europe and always wanted to go.  Or could always go to Sapporo since I haven't been to Japan for 4-5 years and never been up north, or I could go to Portland and drink craft beer and eat donuts.

I dunno, it's tough for me to get away from work since I'm pretty swamped so I kind of want to take the opportunity and do something really cool with the 2nd week.  But I also kind of hate flying tbh and two 10 hour flights in a week might be kind of awful and maybe just going down to Portland makes the most sense like originally planned.

Any thoughts?  The cost isn't that much more to do Europe than Portland, and it's more that finding the time off of work to go somewhere for a full week is rare, so the money isn't a factor here.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 03, 2015, 08:29:19 PM
I was in Germany last week.  Loved it.  I knew a little bit of German but pretty much everyone there speaks English, at least in the cities anyway.  A lot of the signs are easy to figure out or it's in English.  A good "starter" European country IMO.

Anywhere but Portland, really.

Edit: Since you mentioned that money isn't a factor, be sure to fly Business Class at a minimum.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: suppadoopa on June 03, 2015, 08:33:18 PM
I had a trip planned to Sapporo but I ended up going to Osaka.
If you've never been to Osaka, I'd rec it
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 03, 2015, 09:09:40 PM
I was in Germany last week.  Loved it.  I knew a little bit of German but pretty much everyone there speaks English, at least in the cities anyway.  A lot of the signs are easy to figure out or it's in English.  A good "starter" European country IMO.

Anywhere but Portland, really.

Edit: Since you mentioned that money isn't a factor, be sure to fly Business Class at a minimum.

lol

Replacing a $300 flight with a $1,300 flight is something that I can afford.  Business class is a never for me most likely my whole life ^^;
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 03, 2015, 10:01:40 PM
My dad thinks I should go to Mexico.  I wish I wasn't so uninterested in Mexican resorts.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: pilonv1 on June 03, 2015, 10:37:51 PM
France or Germany (or both via train)
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 03, 2015, 11:56:29 PM
Thinking about going to Munich.  It's about a 12 hour flight with one stop (amsterdam) on KLM from Vancouver.

I can get there on a Monday afternoon and stay through Sunday morning.  Gives me time to do a day trip to Neuschwanstein Castle (googled "famous german castles" and that was the first that came up), could get to Prague/Vienna for a day.  Or could go to Frankfurt and do Paris for a day.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: ZephyrFate on June 04, 2015, 01:27:38 AM
Portland is awesome, but those other places sound more interesting.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 04, 2015, 01:41:04 AM
Europe of course

Munich is nice but if its your first time go for one of the goat capitals like Madrid, Rome, Vienna, Paris
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: VomKriege on June 04, 2015, 01:48:50 AM
Paris or Berlin would require you to stay at least 4 or 5 days to really get a feel for it, they are big cities and Berlin is sprawled out. Germany is a pretty large country and going from one city to another may take some time either via train or because you're in transit at the airport. Transport infrastructure is less centralised than France.

I hadn't had the chance to do Munich but on a whole I liked Bavaria. We went to Bayreuth, a good idea if the Wagner festival is not on (lots of good hotels at fair prices, etc...), and Nuremberg. Nuremberg is nice in the center, has a couple of majestic churches, good museums (The German history one, there's a big Judith with Holopherne's head painting which was marking) and foods.

If you really want to do a little bit of everything, keep in mind that with the Thalys train you can go from Paris to Antwerp then Amsterdam of from Paris to Liège then Köln (both via Brussels) in only a few hours.

You shouldn't have too much problem with english speaking in all of those countries, especially with the people working with tourists : In France level should be decent, In Germany & Belgium good (you may meet a couple of non-speaking guys), in Netherlands excellent (pretty much everyone is bilingual, at least in the cities).

Anyway if it's Paris, let us know, I may surely be able to give you more info since I'm an autochton...
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 04, 2015, 01:56:34 AM
Other places sound nice, but the flights are incovenient or more expensive.  Vancouver to Munich is pretty chill (very short layover in Amsterdam).

About to pull the trigger on flying into Munich and then:

-Check out Castle one day
-Check out old town historic Munich one day
-Check out Nuremburg one day
-Check out Salzburg, Austria one day
-Check out main town one day
-Fly out

All those places are pretty close by train from the central station (~1-2 hours).

Seems like a nice starter intro to Europe trip?  Obviously at some point in the future I'll do a big 2 week full one with the big hitters of England/France/Italy.  But for now I'd just like to see some historic castles, nice pretty scenery and eat some european food.  Would this layout work?  I think since I only have a few days I don't want to bite off anything really ambitious here going from city to city to city and would rather base at a single city nice relaxing hotel and explore locally + day trips for the days?

Also fwiw, things I like in traveling are castles, trees, lots of green nature, lakes, etc... I like the scenic stuff.

Only really, really, really downside is that all the flights back on KLM from Amsterdam to LAX which is like a 12 hour flight in economy have...no aisle/window seats left, so I'd have to sit in the middle of a row for the long ass flight which sounds super miserable.  Not much of a choice though, most planes to the US and Europe for mid/late-June are pretty full at this point.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 04, 2015, 02:01:31 AM
You can just fly between all eu cities for like 100 euro so you can easily do two. Just fly in to muncih and do three days and then go to Madrid. Just checked and flight are 110 euro

But dont go to shit like berlin on your first trip man


Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 04, 2015, 02:03:06 AM
You can just fly between all eu cities for like 100 euro so you can easily do two.

But dont go to shit like berlin on your first trip man

Wasn't planning on going to Berlin, just doing southern Germany.

Also tbh, I really don't like flying so the less flying the better.  Would rather take trains.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: VomKriege on June 04, 2015, 02:07:13 AM
Nurnberg one day will be short to squeeze in Museums, I think. The city center is nice to visit though.

To eat I would recommend Zum Gulden Stern and Zum Spießgesellen. Later one is dead in the old city center.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 04, 2015, 02:13:52 AM
Since I can't speak anything other than English and Japanese and because it's my first time in a country where I don't speak the language and I'm traveling alone, I'm planning on doing guided tours in English from Munich for most of the stuff  :'(  This site seems to have trips to Nuremburg and stuff for pretty cheap and the price includes transportation and english speaking guide:
http://www.getyourguide.com/munich-l26/

I'm pretty shy and it's scary going somewhere I don't understand the language!  It's why I mainly stick to Japan & Canada for foreign travel.  I have no idea how any of europe works :X
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 04, 2015, 02:19:32 AM
Well kudos on not going to London then. You can get by with English in any tourist place in Europe so no worries.

Guided tours can be really good and informative.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 04, 2015, 02:21:43 AM
Portland does have nonstop to Amsterdam
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Reb on June 04, 2015, 03:32:08 AM
I always get by in European cities with just English, so that shouldn't be a worry.

I think you're on the right track with the German vacation!
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 04, 2015, 03:43:26 AM
Germans though  :zzz

Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: milchs evil twin on June 04, 2015, 04:00:41 AM
Other places sound nice, but the flights are incovenient or more expensive.  Vancouver to Munich is pretty chill (very short layover in Amsterdam).

About to pull the trigger on flying into Munich and then:

-Check out Castle one day
-Check out old town historic Munich one day
-Check out Nuremburg one day
-Check out Salzburg, Austria one day
-Check out main town one day
-Fly out

All those places are pretty close by train from the central station (~1-2 hours).

Seems like a nice starter intro to Europe trip?  Obviously at some point in the future I'll do a big 2 week full one with the big hitters of England/France/Italy.  But for now I'd just like to see some historic castles, nice pretty scenery and eat some european food.  Would this layout work?  I think since I only have a few days I don't want to bite off anything really ambitious here going from city to city to city and would rather base at a single city nice relaxing hotel and explore locally + day trips for the days?

Also fwiw, things I like in traveling are castles, trees, lots of green nature, lakes, etc... I like the scenic stuff.

Only really, really, really downside is that all the flights back on KLM from Amsterdam to LAX which is like a 12 hour flight in economy have...no aisle/window seats left, so I'd have to sit in the middle of a row for the long ass flight which sounds super miserable.  Not much of a choice though, most planes to the US and Europe for mid/late-June are pretty full at this point.

All these places are pretty, but I personally much prefer having more than one or two days per place.
Munich in particular isn't huge, but there's still so many pretty or interesting places. The Isar. The breweries. The Englische Garten which still has nudists existing side by side with young families. The Deutsches Museum if you're into tech. The beer gardens. The churches with their towers, which are often accessible. Some castles and stuff...

Same can be said for Europe in general. It may not be huge, but the cities themselves often are, and visiting places like Paris or London or Barcelona or Hamburg or even stupid Berlin for less than maybe 5-7 days won't give you the chance to get a bit lost there and get a feel for it.

Overall, you're on the right track. The South is the prettiest part of Germany, apart from maybe some parts of the Rhine in the West.
Like VomKriege said, there are many, many great towns in Franconia. I have a soft spot for Bayreuth too, because my mom's from there.


Premium Lager:  :bolo
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 04, 2015, 05:34:04 AM
Quote
More than 30,000 people in 15 countries were asked to rank the nations with the worst sense of humour and Germany came out on top.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/8560815/Germany-officially-the-worlds-least-funny-country.html

(http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uuuploads/europe-maps-according-to-reddit/europe-maps-according-to-reddit-3.jpg)

Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: milchs evil twin on June 04, 2015, 05:44:09 AM
I love that trope.

Means I can blame my lack of funniness on my culture, when I know for a fact it's just me.


Edit: Also, we have lots of jokes about the Polish!
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 04, 2015, 05:55:53 AM
Yeah, the more I look into it, the more it just seems like there's so much to do even just from a single city.  Not sure if 6 days would even be enough time to get a worthwhile experience in Munich without feeling rushed.  I'm seeing a lot of interesting things to do, like the island towns at Lake Cheimsee which look amazing.  Starting to think maybe I should just save this for a longer trip in the future. 
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 04, 2015, 05:56:22 AM
I was in Munich for three days, which I think is an appropriate length.  I didn't see everything but I got to see most of the stuff worth seeing.  I second the Englischer Garten, which is huge but beautiful.  I took a bunch of pictures but here is a couple:

(http://i.imgur.com/6OmLXi4.png)
(Food area by the Chinese Tower)

(http://i.imgur.com/OtBTvIG.png)
(General view from the Monopteros)

I also stayed three days at Berlin.  This was not long enough.  I can't imagine getting the feel for any city by staying just one day.  I also wasn't a fan of the guided tours, they were expensive and you didn't do much except drive around; I preferred to walk around and check sites of historical significance on my smartphone instead.  I'd also take the bus, tram, and subway as well, especially if I wandered too far away, like going to the east side of Berlin.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 04, 2015, 06:04:40 AM
6 days is more then enough for Munich, its a cool city I've been there for Oktoberfest once for a weekend and that was already enough to get a good feel for it.

Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: milchs evil twin on June 04, 2015, 06:04:42 AM
Been a while since I was at the Chiemsee, but as a child I loved the castles on the islands on the lake.

Also, definitely take these trips outside of town. You really don't have to go far to see a bit of the countryside and the mountains, and get a bit of a feeling for Bavaria as a whole.

Edit: Berlin is the only "real" city in Germany, but also really ugly. It has its special culture and feel, but you need a lot of time to get a round. I think you really need to drift through the night life for a few nights to get a real feel for it.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 04, 2015, 06:06:55 AM
One question, how do you order food off menus if they're not in English and you can't read German?  At least in Japan they usually have pictures of all the foods so you can just point and say "this please".
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 04, 2015, 06:07:08 AM
Hey MET what's a Polish triathlon?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Walk to the swimming pool and go home on a bicycle
[close]

 :goty2

One question, how do you order food off menus if they're not in English and you can't read German?  At least in Japan they usually have pictures of all the foods so you can just point and say "this please".

They will have English menus usually
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 04, 2015, 06:07:31 AM
One question, how do you order food off menus if they're not in English and you can't read German?  At least in Japan they usually have pictures of all the foods so you can just point and say "this please".

Most of the time it is in English or has it in English below German.  If not, Google Translate works well.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Reb on June 04, 2015, 06:26:58 AM
Most of Europe big city menu's:

Super touristy: pictures
Touristy: translated in English
Not touristy: you have to ask a person who is actually paid to tell you about the food there
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: VomKriege on June 04, 2015, 06:42:01 AM
One question, how do you order food off menus if they're not in English and you can't read German?  At least in Japan they usually have pictures of all the foods so you can just point and say "this please".

I'm pretty sure you could find and buy a guide that will give you some pointers on the most common meals. Some you'll be able to guess (Blutwurst is Blood sausage), some not (like Schnitzel, hence the guide). You'll probably have a lot of wurst, kartoffel (potato) and kraut (cabbage). Nurnberg is grilled little sausage country.

Food wise, you should try to have at least once a Weisswurst (in the south), it's a veal/pork sausage traditionnaly eaten just before noon. Also copious breakfasts with cheese and various kind of pork meat.

And well it's Germany, so beer obviously. Variety is insane and often regions (if not cities) will have their own specialty brands. Nurnberg is Tucher I think, Bayreuth has Maissel Weisse (great beer that), etc... German beer are in general white or blonde and on the lighter side. I personnaly prefer that to the often heavier, spicier Belgian beer. (On a side note : Netherlands kind of dissapointing beer wise.).

Oh yeah and Germans actually seems to respect traffic lights for pedestrians and such. Kinda weird from a Frenchmen perspective to be honest, jumping to Italy and its messy traffic afterwards (closer to what I was accustomed to) made me realize the contrast between "Latin" people and "Germanic" ones. Well to be precise quite a bit of France are actually Germanic people that thinks they are Latin and as such believe they are entitled to sunlight, but you get my drift.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: bork on June 04, 2015, 08:59:20 AM
I've never been to Europe and always wanted to go. 

Go to Europe!   :)

Although I'm a bit confused here.  Is the cruise the only thing that's non-refundable?  If so, what about just going on the cruise and then waiting until later on to go somewhere with your fiancee?
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Rufus on June 04, 2015, 09:19:59 AM
Oh yeah and Germans actually seems to respect traffic lights for pedestrians and such. Kinda weird from a Frenchmen perspective to be honest, jumping to Italy and its messy traffic afterwards (closer to what I was accustomed to) made me realize the contrast between "Latin" people and "Germanic" ones. Well to be precise quite a bit of France are actually Germanic people that thinks they are Latin and as such believe they are entitled to sunlight, but you get my drift.
When I was in Paris I chalked their lack of respect for traffic lights up to big city folk being too busy to give a shit, but I guess that's just a French thing then. Explains the many dents and scrapes in the cars. (Whereas in Belgrade it was bullet holes, last time I was there...)
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: bork on June 04, 2015, 10:43:14 AM
When I went to Italy, I was scared shitless when we hopped into a cab to go to the airport.  The driver ignored all the lights and gunned it as fast as possible.  This was very early in the morning and there were no other cars on the road, but it was still a pants-soakingly-bad experience. 
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: milchs evil twin on June 04, 2015, 11:50:06 AM
Oh yeah and Germans actually seems to respect traffic lights for pedestrians and such. Kinda weird from a Frenchmen perspective to be honest, jumping to Italy and its messy traffic afterwards (closer to what I was accustomed to) made me realize the contrast between "Latin" people and "Germanic" ones. Well to be precise quite a bit of France are actually Germanic people that thinks they are Latin and as such believe they are entitled to sunlight, but you get my drift.
When I was in Paris I chalked their lack of respect for traffic lights up to big city folk being too busy to give a shit, but I guess that's just a French thing then. Explains the many dents and scrapes in the cars. (Whereas in Belgrade it was bullet holes, last time I was there...)

Some French guy once told me that in Paris, you don't pull the handbrake when parking so other cars can nudge you back and forth in small parking spaces.

Not sure if it's actually true.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 04, 2015, 01:10:15 PM
Well, double checking my e-mails from last night it looks like the hotel I tentatively booked in munich is completely non-refundable so I guess I am going to Munich for 6 days!

Time to pick up a german practice book to read on my cruise and learn some phrases.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Steve Contra on June 04, 2015, 01:18:59 PM
Munich is rad, the people are nice, the city is beautiful, there's shit to see, it's relaxing.  Can't really go wrong.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 04, 2015, 02:47:09 PM
So I've decided I definitely want to do Chiemsee and the castles and palaces.  Unfortunately the main tour that all the tour companies use is on Mondays only and I'll be flying in Monday afternoon and out Sunday so I don't have a monday.

Therefore this will be my big English-only speaking challenge, will try to find my way from Munich to Prien by train along the Salzburg line, and then to Stock where the boats are (about 4km), then get on a boat and go to one island, then to the 2nd island and then back to shore and take the trains back to Munich.  This is without me having any idea how the trains work or anything.  Any tips?  I figure I will either feel like a traveling badass when I accomplish this, or get lost in the Munich countryside and never be heard from again :(

This is the best info I found:
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g187309-i118-k6396650-Train_question_day_trip_from_Munich_to_Lake_Chiemsee-Munich_Upper_Bavaria_Bavaria.html
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Steve Contra on June 04, 2015, 02:53:52 PM
Fun fact, almost everyone in Germany speaks English.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 04, 2015, 02:56:04 PM
So you're not coming to Seattle now, right?
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: milchs evil twin on June 04, 2015, 03:36:42 PM
So I've decided I definitely want to do Chiemsee and the castles and palaces.  Unfortunately the main tour that all the tour companies use is on Mondays only and I'll be flying in Monday afternoon and out Sunday so I don't have a monday.

Therefore this will be my big English-only speaking challenge, will try to find my way from Munich to Prien by train along the Salzburg line, and then to Stock where the boats are (about 4km), then get on a boat and go to one island, then to the 2nd island and then back to shore and take the trains back to Munich.  This is without me having any idea how the trains work or anything.  Any tips?  I figure I will either feel like a traveling badass when I accomplish this, or get lost in the Munich countryside and never be heard from again :(

This is the best info I found:
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g187309-i118-k6396650-Train_question_day_trip_from_Munich_to_Lake_Chiemsee-Munich_Upper_Bavaria_Bavaria.html

Go to a train station.

Look for one of these:
(http://images.zeit.de/reisen/2011-06/bahn-2-2/bahn-2-2-540x304.jpg)

Tap the UK flag somewhere.

Everything else will follow. If not, ask someone.

Germany ain't scary, not even Bavaria. And our public transport systems are mostly easy to use. Also, most of the places you're looking for are somewhat tourist-friendly and might even have English information.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: bork on June 04, 2015, 04:00:29 PM
Well, double checking my e-mails from last night it looks like the hotel I tentatively booked in munich is completely non-refundable so I guess I am going to Munich for 6 days!

Time to pick up a german practice book to read on my cruise and learn some phrases.

You get more non-refundable reservations than anyone I know.   :lol
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 04, 2015, 04:34:27 PM
So you're not coming to Seattle now, right?

Nah, still be there for a day and a half.  If you're free at all Fri before your marathon we can totally hang.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 04, 2015, 04:35:09 PM
So I've decided I definitely want to do Chiemsee and the castles and palaces.  Unfortunately the main tour that all the tour companies use is on Mondays only and I'll be flying in Monday afternoon and out Sunday so I don't have a monday.

Therefore this will be my big English-only speaking challenge, will try to find my way from Munich to Prien by train along the Salzburg line, and then to Stock where the boats are (about 4km), then get on a boat and go to one island, then to the 2nd island and then back to shore and take the trains back to Munich.  This is without me having any idea how the trains work or anything.  Any tips?  I figure I will either feel like a traveling badass when I accomplish this, or get lost in the Munich countryside and never be heard from again :(

This is the best info I found:
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g187309-i118-k6396650-Train_question_day_trip_from_Munich_to_Lake_Chiemsee-Munich_Upper_Bavaria_Bavaria.html

Go to a train station.

Look for one of these:
(http://images.zeit.de/reisen/2011-06/bahn-2-2/bahn-2-2-540x304.jpg)

Tap the UK flag somewhere.

Everything else will follow. If not, ask someone.

Germany ain't scary, not even Bavaria. And our public transport systems are mostly easy to use. Also, most of the places you're looking for are somewhat tourist-friendly and might even have English information.

Awesome, thanks!
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: VomKriege on June 05, 2015, 01:40:13 AM
Oh yeah and Germans actually seems to respect traffic lights for pedestrians and such. Kinda weird from a Frenchmen perspective to be honest, jumping to Italy and its messy traffic afterwards (closer to what I was accustomed to) made me realize the contrast between "Latin" people and "Germanic" ones. Well to be precise quite a bit of France are actually Germanic people that thinks they are Latin and as such believe they are entitled to sunlight, but you get my drift.
When I was in Paris I chalked their lack of respect for traffic lights up to big city folk being too busy to give a shit, but I guess that's just a French thing then. Explains the many dents and scrapes in the cars. (Whereas in Belgrade it was bullet holes, last time I was there...)

Some French guy once told me that in Paris, you don't pull the handbrake when parking so other cars can nudge you back and forth in small parking spaces.

Not sure if it's actually true.

Urban Legend.
But bumping in or out of parking does happen sometimes.
Paris not the worst though, the stereotype goes that the further you go south, the worst the driving. For the little I can judge on, I would say there's an hint of truth to that.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 05, 2015, 03:40:51 AM
Bebps book your train tickets now on bahn.de

It will be half price
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 05, 2015, 07:15:06 AM
Bebps book your train tickets now on bahn.de

It will be half price

Assuming they don't go on strike again.  I had to cancel one ticket and fly since they were on strike when I wanted to ride.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 05, 2015, 02:24:13 PM
When I told my dad (who I work with) about the Europe addition he got kind of mad and thought it was stupid going to Europe for just five full days (+2 flight days).  Then he calmed down and said I should take more days and he'll cover me at work, so I was able to extend it to a 10 day trip (2 flying, 8 full days).  Should give me a little more breathing room to relax and see a lot of stuff.  I mean it's totally possible to do a 1 day hop to another major city and back the next day, but I'll figure that out when I get there.  Definitely wanna do Salzburg, Nuremburg, Castle, Chiem and stuff within Munich itself.  That, at a relaxed paced is probably a full 7-8 days worth.

Maybe day trip to Prague or Vienna.  But it is tempting to do a day in Paris.

Pretty excited, but for now more excited for Alaska which is first.  Looking forward to seeing a glacier!
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 05, 2015, 08:19:27 PM
Prague and Vienna are both very nice cities.  You could probably get through Prague in a day, not sure about Vienna.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 06, 2015, 03:39:15 AM
So this is a dumb question and you're all gonna laugh at my ignorance, but all the stuff I read about Bavaria makes it sound like every food place serves a menu of basically Bratwurst, Beer, Pretzels, and Fried meats.  Which sounds great as that's totally my kind of eating (not big on more gourmet type dining, I live on Burgers, Hot Dogs, Fried Chicken, Sandwhiches and so on; yes, I know I should start eating better), but like is that the only type of good food in South Germany?  Because it doesn't seem like a lot of variety and feels like after a few days of eating sausages and drinking beer I'll kind of be bored of it.

In California we have great American, BBQ, Mexican, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese food.  In Japan there's Sushi, Ramen, Yakiniku, Tonkatsu, shitty Italian, and weird ass psuedo-American Dennys everywhere.  In Munich will there be some good Italian, Spanish, Indian, etc... etc... type restaurants to mix up between all the Brat and Beer?  I tried yelp for Munich but I guess Yelp isn't really international because like 2 restaurants total showed up. 

Oh and in Europe (or Germany more specific) are most restaurants good?  What I mean by that is in America Yelp is popular for a reason; there's a lot of shitty food places.  If you just randomly walk into a restaurant it might be great, but it might be awful.  There's a huge range and it's a gamble without looking it up in advance.  Otoh in Japan you can walk into any food place and at the very worst the food is maybe average 3/5.  Pretty much every place is good -> amazing in Japan because they really have high food quality standards.  Just wondering what Germany is like in that respect, basically if I should look up food places in advance or just walk into places at random when I'm hungry.

Asking a lot of questions, but I'm on a boat in the ocean and there's fog everywhere and I can't shit and I got nothing to do but look forward to stuff.  Ship is pretty dead after 9:30pm.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: milchs evil twin on June 06, 2015, 04:15:54 AM
So this is a dumb question and you're all gonna laugh at my ignorance, but all the stuff I read about Bavaria makes it sound like every food place serves a menu of basically Bratwurst, Beer, Pretzels, and Fried meats.  Which sounds great as that's totally my kind of eating (not big on more gourmet type dining, I live on Burgers, Hot Dogs, Fried Chicken, Sandwhiches and so on; yes, I know I should start eating better), but like is that the only type of good food in South Germany?  Because it doesn't seem like a lot of variety and feels like after a few days of eating sausages and drinking beer I'll kind of be bored of it.

In California we have great American, BBQ, Mexican, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese food.  In Japan there's Sushi, Ramen, Yakiniku, Tonkatsu, shitty Italian, and weird ass psuedo-American Dennys everywhere.  In Munich will there be some good Italian, Spanish, Indian, etc... etc... type restaurants to mix up between all the Brat and Beer?  I tried yelp for Munich but I guess Yelp isn't really international because like 2 restaurants total showed up. 

Oh and in Europe (or Germany more specific) are most restaurants good?  What I mean by that is in America Yelp is popular for a reason; there's a lot of shitty food places.  If you just randomly walk into a restaurant it might be great, but it might be awful.  There's a huge range and it's a gamble without looking it up in advance.  Otoh in Japan you can walk into any food place and at the very worst the food is maybe average 3/5.  Pretty much every place is good -> amazing in Japan because they really have high food quality standards.  Just wondering what Germany is like in that respect, basically if I should look up food places in advance or just walk into places at random when I'm hungry.

Asking a lot of questions, but I'm on a boat in the ocean and there's fog everywhere and I can't shit and I got nothing to do but look forward to stuff.  Ship is pretty dead after 9:30pm.

Of course there's all kinds of food, it's a big city, pretty international, and Germans don't just eat wurst ;-)
Italian and Turkish in particular are big, as is pseudo-Asian.

I think Yelp isn't huge over here. Sometimes it helps looking at places' Facebook pages to see some reviews.

Can't answer the quality question too generally, but I don't think you'll have problems finding something to eat. I bet we're not Japan level, but you rarely get something outright disgusting.

When I told my dad (who I work with) about the Europe addition he got kind of mad and thought it was stupid going to Europe for just five full days (+2 flight days).  Then he calmed down and said I should take more days and he'll cover me at work, so I was able to extend it to a 10 day trip (2 flying, 8 full days).  Should give me a little more breathing room to relax and see a lot of stuff.  I mean it's totally possible to do a 1 day hop to another major city and back the next day, but I'll figure that out when I get there.  Definitely wanna do Salzburg, Nuremburg, Castle, Chiem and stuff within Munich itself.  That, at a relaxed paced is probably a full 7-8 days worth.

Maybe day trip to Prague or Vienna.  But it is tempting to do a day in Paris.

Pretty excited, but for now more excited for Alaska which is first.  Looking forward to seeing a glacier!

Europe isn't as big as the US, but it seems you're still somewhat underestimating the distances ;-)
Paris is at least a 6 hour train ride from Munich. Don't think that's day trip territory.

Paris is such a great city. Save it for when you have more time there.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Rufus on June 06, 2015, 07:44:44 AM
Even small sleepy towns like mine have several foreign restaurants, asian and mediterranean mostly, not to forget the Döner stands/delivery. No, not all restaurants are good. I don't know how our health inspectors stack up to yours across the pond, but if the Bavarian health inspectors specifically are as numerous as their tax inspectors I would be just a little bit worried. But I'm the wrong person to comment on restaurant quality.

As for Yelp, try setting it to German. http://www.yelp.de/search?find_desc=&find_loc=m%C3%BCnchen&ns=1 I'm seeing a lot more than two entries here.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: pilonv1 on June 06, 2015, 09:59:30 AM
Oh and in Europe (or Germany more specific) are most restaurants good?

From my trip last year most places were good coming from what I was used to. Plenty of choices depending where you went. There's a chance of finding shitty places no matter where you go but if it's a new culture how will you know?

I used TripAdvisor which helped me find some awesome places in Paris.

http://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Restaurants-g187309-Munich_Upper_Bavaria_Bavaria.html

First page has Greek, German, Italian, Austrian, Thai, Viet, French, German, African. Of course the bratwurst etc isn't only what they eat, it's the same as thinking Americans only eat burgers & hot dogs.

Paris is such a great city. Save it for when you have more time there.

Agreed. I had 5 days there and there was a ridiculous amount of stuff I didn't get to do or see. Just going up the Eiffel Tower would take a few hours this time of year unless you're there early.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 06, 2015, 02:37:11 PM
Thanks!  Didn't think about turning yelp to german or tripadvisor for food.  Good to know there's a lot of variety.

Yeah, not gonna do Paris or anything too far this time.  Will stick to within 2 hour distance for a day trip outside of maybe 1 day doing a 4 hour trip to Prague or Vienna.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 10, 2015, 07:26:48 PM
On the sea on my way back from Alaska, and heading to Munich in a handful of days.  Because I had terrible weather for all of Alaska (basically Alaska has been having great sunny clear weather for the past 2 weeks+ and a storm came in the day our ship first landed and followed us the whole way up.  Tons of hard rain, heavy cold winds, freezing as fuck.  There were some nice patches here and there and I had a bunch of good times, but the shitty weather really made the trip a lot less enjoyable) I've been checking the weather forecasts for southern germany every single day that I've had any internet reception.

It looks like it's going to be cloudy and occasionally rainy for the whole month of June in South Germany/Austria.  Now, looking around I see some Europe threads where people are saying rain isn't a big deal in western Europe as it's just like clouds pass by, it rains for a half-hour and you hang out in a cafe and then it's nice for a few hours then maybe another patch of rain.  At most you just carry a small umbrella with you on days where it's gonna rain.

Is that right?  Because that sounds fine and like it shouldn't detriment sight-seeing and vacationing.  In Alaska it was like non-stop hard rain + wind and I had to wear rain-proof paints on top of my pants and rain-proof jacket and the wind would still send bone chills and make your teeth chatter as it hit your face.  I just don't want more of that.  If I get a 3 week vacation for most of June and the entire thing is me getting rained on and cloudy skies so I can't get any decent pictures off...  :maf
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: lennedsay on June 10, 2015, 08:46:04 PM
I was in Germany in June and its this misty rain, nothing major. No downpours or anything. It was basically like that for the entire 3 weeks in June I was there lol So you get used to it. I'm sure you have jackets, cause you'll need them.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: lennedsay on June 10, 2015, 08:48:39 PM
Also get a doner kebab. And go to an ice cream shop and order spaghettieis ("spaghetti" ice cream). All the ice creams are super ornate and delicious at the Eiscafes.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 10, 2015, 10:39:18 PM
I was in Germany in June and its this misty rain, nothing major. No downpours or anything. It was basically like that for the entire 3 weeks in June I was there lol So you get used to it. I'm sure you have jackets, cause you'll need them.

Thanks, yeah that's fine.  I have a million jackets and warm clothes from Alaska.  As long as you can still have a nice time sight-seeing without getting completely soaked or freezing, I'm ok with it.

And I'll check out the kabobs!
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 11, 2015, 12:48:29 AM
So I think I figured out where I'm gonna do 1 overnight stay.  I've been looking around for places that I can go easily from Munich central station, get somewhere and spend a whole day, stay overnight, then spend a whole morning/lunch and head back in the mid-afternoon.  There's Vienna but I'm gonna hit up Salzburg and from what I'm reading Austrian cities are pretty similar to Bavarian cities.  There's Prague...but I dunno.  Most of France is too far, Italy too far, etc...

But there's a train that runs from Munich to Verona Italy and back all day every couple of hours that's about 5.5 hours and goes through some scenic places.  And Verona, being Italy, is way different than Munich so I'll get too experience a little bit of that Italian feel, architecture, culture and food-wise. 

Does that seem like a good idea for a place to do an overnight from Munich for something different?
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: milchs evil twin on June 11, 2015, 03:05:44 AM
Didn't follow the weather all that closely, but I was in Munich about 2 weeks ago and it was around 77° F all the time. Looks like you might be somewhat unlucky though. Hamburg weather has been great for weeks now!

Verona is a pretty place. If you have a reasonable day trip schedule, do it.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 11, 2015, 04:06:41 AM
Beps if you are flying all the way too Europe please don't limit yourself inside Europe with trains.

I hate flying with a passion (when I flew to India doc gave me valium) but flight times are so short here and you'd see much more AND spend less than on trains.

You can fly to Madrid prob within 2 hours from Munich and experience something truly amazing.

I cannot stress this enough.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: milchs evil twin on June 11, 2015, 06:41:39 AM
Not sure I agree with that. Flying times are short, but include getting to and from the airport, checking in and out and waiting will usually cost you a lot of time. Plus you won't get to see the countryside, which I think is one of THE best reasons to use trains. It's purely based on personal preference, but I don't think you truly get a feeling for a country if all you see is the big cities. Big cities these days are all similar to some degree and almost always much more international, which kinda dilutes the country's culture.

All IMO of course, and maybe that's not something bebpo is looking for.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 11, 2015, 07:07:25 AM
I love trains and I've been on many train trips, it's my fav mode of transport (excluding motorbike).

But if you only have 8 days in Europe, why not take a quick Ryanair flight to Madrid, Rome or something else mega spectacular instead of going to a B list town like Salzburg (no offence to anyone I hope, I'd say the same about Warsaw).

And you cannot in good faith say that Paris, Madrid, Rome, London etc are similar to Salzburg in anything but a few chain stores and restaurants. Also as we can see Bebpo is a bit unsure on this trip and these towns cater to tourists very well, much more so than B towns. It would just be such a shame if Bebpo invested so much in this trip and didn't get an amazing experience. Visiting "off the road" destinations is the best and I don't need to see every tourist trap, but maybe not for Bebpo on his first EU trip.

This is all IMO of course as well, and I know beps is saying he will be back, but I'm sure he will be back quicker if he sees what Europe can really offer in a broader sense.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 12, 2015, 10:17:39 PM
Hey Lager, I really appreciate all your advice.  I'm really more of a smaller, scenic sightseer than big bustling tourist cities.  When I was in Alaska I haaaated the big cities filled with tourists.  Even on the Cruise ship I always felt uncomfortable in the areas where there were a lot of people and would go find a sunny chair way off from the main area and chill by myself looking at the passing islands and reading a book while drinking a beer.

My favorite part of Alaska was white water rapids/float ride where it was just me + 6 other people floating down a river in nature for an hour+

I'm way more interested in places like Tuscany (I'd love to visit the place from Assassin's Creed II that is your home base, Monte~something), and Lake Chiemsee than some place like Rome since it's June and tourist season and I've heard of the tourist chaos of big cities like Rome or Venice where it's hard to even get around and smells from all the trash.

Paris would be cool, but I dunno, I feel like 1 day would be way too short.  From what I read, yeah flying anywhere from Munich is like a 5-6 hour affair because of getting to the airport and checking in and same on the other side.  London again would be too big for 1 day.  I'd rather do Munich/Nuremburg as the big cities this time around, and then check out scenic smaller cities like in Austria as well as romantic road castles and lakes and palaces.

I'm fairly anti-social and to me an ideal world is Red Dead Redemption x Stalker (without the radiation).  I love architecture the most, especially when there's no people around and it's just a beautiful building and me.  I really enjoy history of places and how they came to be.  I also love natural scenery, green fields, lakes, grass, rivers.  After that I love food and high technology (bullet trains, video games, 4k TVs and such).  It's why Japan's my favorite place since it has gorgeous nature, awesome technology, amazing food and tons of rich history. 

I'd love to check out the Sistene Chapel and Big Ben, but I have a feeling seeing them packed side by side with hundreds of tourist would just stress me out and make me want to gtfo as fast as possible.  I like to wander off on foot and basically go where there aren't many people (rural) and just mind my own business and enjoy the fresh air and take photos.

So yeah, still not totally sold on anywhere besides Munich and the local area.  I'm open to flying somewhere, but it'll be a 5-6 hour trek each way and I'll only have about 24 hours (8 sleeping, so 16 hours) to explore any distant location unless I took 3+ days, but I already have my hotel fully booked for 9 nights in Munich, so ideally I'd only like to double dip for a single night somewhere if I did an overnight trip. 

Plus I love trains because, yeah, the scenery is super pretty and I like seeing the world that's out there and not the focus of any tourist trap.  I'd rent a car and go driving in France or Germany except the thought of driving in a country where I have no idea what the traffic rules are scares the crap out of me so I'll stick to public transportation and walking.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: VomKriege on June 13, 2015, 02:33:35 AM
Yeah I think that with 8 days you should not disperse yourself too much.
About Munich airport you should maybe try to visit for a couple hours a bit the town it is in, Freising, which looked nice for the little I saw. White churches and hills... Got lost while trying to find Weihenstephaner brewery where I had a reservation  :-\

Anyway yeah you need to plan a few hours to get to the airport and all, the Munich one is off the city and big by itself (unlike the Köln / Maastricht one for instance). But Munich is by the alps so going to Northen Italy is a short affair from there (1 to 2 hours flights top).

Tuscany is indeed nice and Firenze, Pisa or Sienna are all beautiful and scenic. Firenze is a huge tourist center (pretty much half the restaurant waiters there speak perfect french) though and you should avoid the high season, but apart from the museums and attractions, there's quite a lot to see (the other bank of the Arno river is hilly and more like countryside). However to really appreciate Tsucan inlands, you may need to go by car...

Also, obvious remark there, but at this time of year, Italy is hot and sunny (Bavaria can be as well). Prepare sun screen, hat, sunglasses and mosquito repellent.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 14, 2015, 04:13:54 PM
Got a business class upgrade for the flight from Vancouver to Europe.  So freaking stoked.  Never been business class before, gonna party it up!
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 16, 2015, 12:41:05 PM
So I'm in Munich and have a feel for the city and started seeing things.  Now looking at the weather I'm trying to plan out the rest of the trip.  I have unfortunately 3 rain days spread apart with stuff I wanna do in and around Munich in the sun/not-rain on the days between them.  This unfortunately means I can't just go on a train/fly somewhere else because I'd have to come back the same day and there's not enough time for flying or taking a train more than 2-3 hours.

On one of the rain days I'm going to do the remaining indoor museums here in Munich.  But on the other two...not sure what to do.  I could go up to Nuremburg and do indoor stuff with an umbrella while it's pouring and come back at night.  I could do the same in Stuttgart or even Frankfurt.  I'd go to Verona or Venice where it's not raining on those days but I looked and the 6 hour trains get in at 2pm and I'd need to get the ones that leave at 3:30pm to get back the same day to Munich.  So it's basically impossible without staying overnight and taking up 2 full days. 

Is there anything cool and indoors to do in the rain in Stutgart or Frankfurt?
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: milchs evil twin on June 16, 2015, 12:51:27 PM
If you're into cars, the Porsche and Mercedes-Benz Museums might be worth a trip, quite cool from what I heard.

If you're not into cars, stay the fuck away from Stuttgart, it's a shit city (having lived there for a few years).

Personally, I think Nuremberg is much more interesting than Frankfurt. Frankfurt is only interesting for Germans because it has some actual Skyscrapers, which are somewhat rare here. Nothing you can't get in the US. Nuremberg is real pretty and historic.

Honestly, Nuremberg in the rain >>>> Stuttgart/Frankfurt inside a building.

Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 16, 2015, 01:08:56 PM
Ok, maybe I'll do two days in Nuremburg if there's a lot to see.  Sounds like Stuttgart/Frankfurt are a skip.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: milchs evil twin on June 16, 2015, 01:09:53 PM
Dunno if it's a lot, but what's there is definitely pretty.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 16, 2015, 01:13:57 PM
Here's my plan:

Tomorrow (sunny day): Full day tour of the Neuschwanstein castle and Lindelhof castle.
Thurs (rain day): Deutches Museum, BMW museum, Pinakotheken museums, Residenz all indoors stuff
Fri (sun day): English Garden, Nymphenburg Palace, Brew house night tour cause it's more fun to drink with other people!
Sat: (rain day): Nuremburg
Sun (sun day): Salzburg since everything is closed in Germany on sundays apparently.
Mon (sun day): Lake Chiemsee islands trip
Tue (rain day): Maybe Nuremburg day 2

I have a lot of free time in the evenings since all this is during the day, but in Munich at least, from googling around it doesn't seem like there's anything to really do after dinner at night.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Samson Manhug on June 16, 2015, 02:50:59 PM
Sounds like a lot of fun, Bebpo. Where are you staying? Hotels, hostels, Airbnb?
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 16, 2015, 05:22:08 PM
Glad we were able to meet for a beer in Seattle last week. Have fun in Germany!
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bacchus7 on June 18, 2015, 01:30:48 AM
You'll spend a very full day trying to see all that on Thursday. I would shunt the Pinakotheks to your 2nd Nürnberg day and just drink beer in cellars with whatever time you have left.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 18, 2015, 04:56:10 AM
Have fun mate :)

Sorry if my advice might come over as snobby "I know better" stuff sometimes, it's all well meant from my heart.

Too bad you're not hitting up Copenhagen I'd take you out for a beer.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 18, 2015, 04:30:34 PM
Hijacking the thread for my own use. Heading to Spain this Saturday. 10 days there (Barcelona, Granada, Toledo, La Manga del Manor, Malaga), and then 2 in Brussels and 2 in Amsterdam.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: cool breeze on June 18, 2015, 04:36:21 PM
Got a business class upgrade for the flight from Vancouver to Europe.  So freaking stoked.  Never been business class before, gonna party it up!

Which airline?
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: chronovore on June 18, 2015, 06:46:16 PM
Hijacking the thread for my own use. Heading to Spain this Saturday. 10 days there (Barcelona, Granada, Toledo, La Manga del Manor, Malaga), and then 2 in Brussels and 2 in Amsterdam.

You'll be the only guy on your Untappd feed with a Spanish beer badge.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: VomKriege on June 18, 2015, 06:51:45 PM
Hijacking the thread for my own use. Heading to Spain this Saturday. 10 days there (Barcelona, Granada, Toledo, La Manga del Manor, Malaga), and then 2 in Brussels and 2 in Amsterdam.

Barcelona is nice but I've been there a long time ago...

Brussels is pretty fun and it's a good place for a short trip : The city center is small as hell (Like 1 hour tops to go from Midi station to the North one) but there's everything you could want from a capital city... Museums, cheap and good beer, nice parks, architecture, etc... Only thing I find lackluster is restaurants (Brussels gastronomy is not the highest stuff, to be fair), try to avoid the ones in the walking streets of the center, too much of a tourist trap. I've lived outside Brussels for over a year, so maybe I can have some more specific pointers for you depending on what you are looking for. From my experience, Belgians are a lot more laid back than French people. Belgium has a very specific mood to it, some cities have places a bit rotted and dirty. City can be windy.

Amsterdam is great as well. It's the new herring season, so be sure to get some in a booth. My trip to Netherlands had a bit of a running gag because half the museum we wanted to see were in repairs : The Rijkmuseum & Stedelijk Museum in Amsterdam and the Maurizius in La Haye  :lol . Had to settle for a single wing at the Rijk and the former Colonial Museum (Troppenmuseum). I enjoy walking and sightseeing and Amsterdam is good for that. We ate in a couple decent places, can dig this up maybe if you want. Some good Indonesian to find, also Surinam (unfortunately didn't have the time to try the adress).
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 19, 2015, 01:14:20 AM
I've done Brussels and Amsterdam before, just quick trips to hit our favorite places.

Cantillon and Moeder Lambic ahoy!
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 19, 2015, 01:51:00 AM
Spain is the best. Canas y tapas all day.

Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: milchs evil twin on June 19, 2015, 06:14:26 AM
Spain is the worst. It has sun.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 19, 2015, 06:36:27 AM
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Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 19, 2015, 10:25:10 AM
Hijacking the thread for my own use. Heading to Spain this Saturday. 10 days there (Barcelona, Granada, Toledo, La Manga del Manor, Malaga), and then 2 in Brussels and 2 in Amsterdam.

You'll be the only guy on your Untappd feed with a Spanish beer badge.

I'm missing the Madrid Beer Week badge by two days. Total first world problem.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 20, 2015, 12:41:37 PM
Been good times.  Really enjoying the culture.  Already been to be bunch of cool places, went to Regensburg yesterday and walked around some old town area from the 1300s.  The churches are amazing here.  I'm not a religious man, but churches impress me in terms of being impressed by the power of humanity to make something so emotionally powerful, you really feel so small along with all your problems in a giant ancient church.

Also being away from videogame forums for a couple of weeks, and feeling like catching up on game news because of E3 feels more like "work", I feel like I'm done with following videogames as a hobby.  Like I'll still play games and enjoy them just as much, but I just don't care about following what new games get announced and stuff.  Too much time required and there's always a million games coming out that sound good.  I'll just play what I have and pick up new games when they come out if they look interesting.  Already stopped watching 90% of trailers and stuff years ago since they were always spoiling the whole story like movie trailers.  I haven't played any games since I've been in Europe and I miss them a little, but not enough to play them until I get back.  I'm actually mostly looking forward to playing more Assassin's Creed even though I was totally burnt out on the games, because being in Europe makes me crazy impressed how good of a virtual tourist experience AC games give.  Walking around Nymphemburg Palace here in Munich gave way too much deja vu of virtually walking around the Palace in Unity where the king lost his head.  Unity having 1:1 scale even though it kind of gets in the way the gameplay, is really nice for virtual tourism.  I'm actually gonna buy the London one now thanks to this Europe trip.

Got a business class upgrade for the flight from Vancouver to Europe.  So freaking stoked.  Never been business class before, gonna party it up!

Which airline?

Was KLM.  At first was a little disappointed because visually it was nothing crazy, but the seat was hella comfy and reclined into many wonderful positions on the way to being a flat bed.  Brought a lot of stuff to watch/play on the flight but ended up having an experience of just chilling and watching movies in bed while being pampered with good food, free champagnes, hot towels and even a little Amsterdam house w/liquor souvenir.  I paid about $500 for the upgrade, but it was worth it for a 10 hour flight like that.  Time went by fast and the guy next to me was really nice and fascinating to talk to (Doctor flying to do a presentation on Lymphoma in Switzerland, he'd been all around the world researching and helping develop new cures).  I've been trying to get my mom to go to Japan for a decade and she always complains she's too old for a 10 hour+ flight (my dad's been and is totally cool with going again, just not my mom), maybe if I can get her a business class ticket she'd be down since it's much more comfortable.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 20, 2015, 05:59:30 PM
Sounds a lot like the Swiss Airlines business class experience.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Samson Manhug on June 22, 2015, 10:19:16 PM
Spain is the best. Canas y tapas all day.



Spain is offering citizenship to Sephardic Jews who can prove their Spanish ancestry and have a note from a Rabbi. I am wondering how hard this would be to forge and what the consequences would be.
Title: Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
Post by: Bebpo on June 25, 2015, 10:29:45 AM
Just got back, had a great time in Europe.  Went to Venice, Lager should be happy.  Was neat to check out, although basically a giant disneyland tourist spot where it's crowded, there's lines and everyone is trying their best to rip you off.  Saw the Basilica and Doge Royal Palace which I couldn't help but constantly imagine the Doge coin logo on the front and the palace of Doges.  Took a million pictures, now is the recovery time of offloading them all onto the pc and editing them as well as unpacking and catching up on 300 e-mails while getting over jetlag.  ^^;

Will post some pics along with trip comments in a few days when I'm done editing the patch, but very positive time in Germany/Austria/Italy.  Beautiful world over there.  Will definitely be going back every year or two and seeing other European cities.  Probably do France/England/Scotland/Ireland next either in 1 or 2 separate trips.