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Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
« Reply #60 on: June 11, 2015, 04:06:41 AM »
Beps if you are flying all the way too Europe please don't limit yourself inside Europe with trains.

I hate flying with a passion (when I flew to India doc gave me valium) but flight times are so short here and you'd see much more AND spend less than on trains.

You can fly to Madrid prob within 2 hours from Munich and experience something truly amazing.

I cannot stress this enough.

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« Reply #61 on: June 11, 2015, 06:41:39 AM »
Not sure I agree with that. Flying times are short, but include getting to and from the airport, checking in and out and waiting will usually cost you a lot of time. Plus you won't get to see the countryside, which I think is one of THE best reasons to use trains. It's purely based on personal preference, but I don't think you truly get a feeling for a country if all you see is the big cities. Big cities these days are all similar to some degree and almost always much more international, which kinda dilutes the country's culture.

All IMO of course, and maybe that's not something bebpo is looking for.

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Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
« Reply #62 on: June 11, 2015, 07:07:25 AM »
I love trains and I've been on many train trips, it's my fav mode of transport (excluding motorbike).

But if you only have 8 days in Europe, why not take a quick Ryanair flight to Madrid, Rome or something else mega spectacular instead of going to a B list town like Salzburg (no offence to anyone I hope, I'd say the same about Warsaw).

And you cannot in good faith say that Paris, Madrid, Rome, London etc are similar to Salzburg in anything but a few chain stores and restaurants. Also as we can see Bebpo is a bit unsure on this trip and these towns cater to tourists very well, much more so than B towns. It would just be such a shame if Bebpo invested so much in this trip and didn't get an amazing experience. Visiting "off the road" destinations is the best and I don't need to see every tourist trap, but maybe not for Bebpo on his first EU trip.

This is all IMO of course as well, and I know beps is saying he will be back, but I'm sure he will be back quicker if he sees what Europe can really offer in a broader sense.
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Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
« Reply #63 on: June 12, 2015, 10:17:39 PM »
Hey Lager, I really appreciate all your advice.  I'm really more of a smaller, scenic sightseer than big bustling tourist cities.  When I was in Alaska I haaaated the big cities filled with tourists.  Even on the Cruise ship I always felt uncomfortable in the areas where there were a lot of people and would go find a sunny chair way off from the main area and chill by myself looking at the passing islands and reading a book while drinking a beer.

My favorite part of Alaska was white water rapids/float ride where it was just me + 6 other people floating down a river in nature for an hour+

I'm way more interested in places like Tuscany (I'd love to visit the place from Assassin's Creed II that is your home base, Monte~something), and Lake Chiemsee than some place like Rome since it's June and tourist season and I've heard of the tourist chaos of big cities like Rome or Venice where it's hard to even get around and smells from all the trash.

Paris would be cool, but I dunno, I feel like 1 day would be way too short.  From what I read, yeah flying anywhere from Munich is like a 5-6 hour affair because of getting to the airport and checking in and same on the other side.  London again would be too big for 1 day.  I'd rather do Munich/Nuremburg as the big cities this time around, and then check out scenic smaller cities like in Austria as well as romantic road castles and lakes and palaces.

I'm fairly anti-social and to me an ideal world is Red Dead Redemption x Stalker (without the radiation).  I love architecture the most, especially when there's no people around and it's just a beautiful building and me.  I really enjoy history of places and how they came to be.  I also love natural scenery, green fields, lakes, grass, rivers.  After that I love food and high technology (bullet trains, video games, 4k TVs and such).  It's why Japan's my favorite place since it has gorgeous nature, awesome technology, amazing food and tons of rich history. 

I'd love to check out the Sistene Chapel and Big Ben, but I have a feeling seeing them packed side by side with hundreds of tourist would just stress me out and make me want to gtfo as fast as possible.  I like to wander off on foot and basically go where there aren't many people (rural) and just mind my own business and enjoy the fresh air and take photos.

So yeah, still not totally sold on anywhere besides Munich and the local area.  I'm open to flying somewhere, but it'll be a 5-6 hour trek each way and I'll only have about 24 hours (8 sleeping, so 16 hours) to explore any distant location unless I took 3+ days, but I already have my hotel fully booked for 9 nights in Munich, so ideally I'd only like to double dip for a single night somewhere if I did an overnight trip. 

Plus I love trains because, yeah, the scenery is super pretty and I like seeing the world that's out there and not the focus of any tourist trap.  I'd rent a car and go driving in France or Germany except the thought of driving in a country where I have no idea what the traffic rules are scares the crap out of me so I'll stick to public transportation and walking.

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Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
« Reply #64 on: June 13, 2015, 02:33:35 AM »
Yeah I think that with 8 days you should not disperse yourself too much.
About Munich airport you should maybe try to visit for a couple hours a bit the town it is in, Freising, which looked nice for the little I saw. White churches and hills... Got lost while trying to find Weihenstephaner brewery where I had a reservation  :-\

Anyway yeah you need to plan a few hours to get to the airport and all, the Munich one is off the city and big by itself (unlike the Köln / Maastricht one for instance). But Munich is by the alps so going to Northen Italy is a short affair from there (1 to 2 hours flights top).

Tuscany is indeed nice and Firenze, Pisa or Sienna are all beautiful and scenic. Firenze is a huge tourist center (pretty much half the restaurant waiters there speak perfect french) though and you should avoid the high season, but apart from the museums and attractions, there's quite a lot to see (the other bank of the Arno river is hilly and more like countryside). However to really appreciate Tsucan inlands, you may need to go by car...

Also, obvious remark there, but at this time of year, Italy is hot and sunny (Bavaria can be as well). Prepare sun screen, hat, sunglasses and mosquito repellent.
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Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
« Reply #65 on: June 14, 2015, 04:13:54 PM »
Got a business class upgrade for the flight from Vancouver to Europe.  So freaking stoked.  Never been business class before, gonna party it up!

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« Reply #66 on: June 16, 2015, 12:41:05 PM »
So I'm in Munich and have a feel for the city and started seeing things.  Now looking at the weather I'm trying to plan out the rest of the trip.  I have unfortunately 3 rain days spread apart with stuff I wanna do in and around Munich in the sun/not-rain on the days between them.  This unfortunately means I can't just go on a train/fly somewhere else because I'd have to come back the same day and there's not enough time for flying or taking a train more than 2-3 hours.

On one of the rain days I'm going to do the remaining indoor museums here in Munich.  But on the other two...not sure what to do.  I could go up to Nuremburg and do indoor stuff with an umbrella while it's pouring and come back at night.  I could do the same in Stuttgart or even Frankfurt.  I'd go to Verona or Venice where it's not raining on those days but I looked and the 6 hour trains get in at 2pm and I'd need to get the ones that leave at 3:30pm to get back the same day to Munich.  So it's basically impossible without staying overnight and taking up 2 full days. 

Is there anything cool and indoors to do in the rain in Stutgart or Frankfurt?

Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
« Reply #67 on: June 16, 2015, 12:51:27 PM »
If you're into cars, the Porsche and Mercedes-Benz Museums might be worth a trip, quite cool from what I heard.

If you're not into cars, stay the fuck away from Stuttgart, it's a shit city (having lived there for a few years).

Personally, I think Nuremberg is much more interesting than Frankfurt. Frankfurt is only interesting for Germans because it has some actual Skyscrapers, which are somewhat rare here. Nothing you can't get in the US. Nuremberg is real pretty and historic.

Honestly, Nuremberg in the rain >>>> Stuttgart/Frankfurt inside a building.


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Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
« Reply #68 on: June 16, 2015, 01:08:56 PM »
Ok, maybe I'll do two days in Nuremburg if there's a lot to see.  Sounds like Stuttgart/Frankfurt are a skip.

Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
« Reply #69 on: June 16, 2015, 01:09:53 PM »
Dunno if it's a lot, but what's there is definitely pretty.

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Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
« Reply #70 on: June 16, 2015, 01:13:57 PM »
Here's my plan:

Tomorrow (sunny day): Full day tour of the Neuschwanstein castle and Lindelhof castle.
Thurs (rain day): Deutches Museum, BMW museum, Pinakotheken museums, Residenz all indoors stuff
Fri (sun day): English Garden, Nymphenburg Palace, Brew house night tour cause it's more fun to drink with other people!
Sat: (rain day): Nuremburg
Sun (sun day): Salzburg since everything is closed in Germany on sundays apparently.
Mon (sun day): Lake Chiemsee islands trip
Tue (rain day): Maybe Nuremburg day 2

I have a lot of free time in the evenings since all this is during the day, but in Munich at least, from googling around it doesn't seem like there's anything to really do after dinner at night.

Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
« Reply #71 on: June 16, 2015, 02:50:59 PM »
Sounds like a lot of fun, Bebpo. Where are you staying? Hotels, hostels, Airbnb?

Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
« Reply #72 on: June 16, 2015, 05:22:08 PM »
Glad we were able to meet for a beer in Seattle last week. Have fun in Germany!
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Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
« Reply #73 on: June 18, 2015, 01:30:48 AM »
You'll spend a very full day trying to see all that on Thursday. I would shunt the Pinakotheks to your 2nd Nürnberg day and just drink beer in cellars with whatever time you have left.
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Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
« Reply #74 on: June 18, 2015, 04:56:10 AM »
Have fun mate :)

Sorry if my advice might come over as snobby "I know better" stuff sometimes, it's all well meant from my heart.

Too bad you're not hitting up Copenhagen I'd take you out for a beer.

Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
« Reply #75 on: June 18, 2015, 04:30:34 PM »
Hijacking the thread for my own use. Heading to Spain this Saturday. 10 days there (Barcelona, Granada, Toledo, La Manga del Manor, Malaga), and then 2 in Brussels and 2 in Amsterdam.
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« Reply #76 on: June 18, 2015, 04:36:21 PM »
Got a business class upgrade for the flight from Vancouver to Europe.  So freaking stoked.  Never been business class before, gonna party it up!

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Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
« Reply #77 on: June 18, 2015, 06:46:16 PM »
Hijacking the thread for my own use. Heading to Spain this Saturday. 10 days there (Barcelona, Granada, Toledo, La Manga del Manor, Malaga), and then 2 in Brussels and 2 in Amsterdam.

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Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
« Reply #78 on: June 18, 2015, 06:51:45 PM »
Hijacking the thread for my own use. Heading to Spain this Saturday. 10 days there (Barcelona, Granada, Toledo, La Manga del Manor, Malaga), and then 2 in Brussels and 2 in Amsterdam.

Barcelona is nice but I've been there a long time ago...

Brussels is pretty fun and it's a good place for a short trip : The city center is small as hell (Like 1 hour tops to go from Midi station to the North one) but there's everything you could want from a capital city... Museums, cheap and good beer, nice parks, architecture, etc... Only thing I find lackluster is restaurants (Brussels gastronomy is not the highest stuff, to be fair), try to avoid the ones in the walking streets of the center, too much of a tourist trap. I've lived outside Brussels for over a year, so maybe I can have some more specific pointers for you depending on what you are looking for. From my experience, Belgians are a lot more laid back than French people. Belgium has a very specific mood to it, some cities have places a bit rotted and dirty. City can be windy.

Amsterdam is great as well. It's the new herring season, so be sure to get some in a booth. My trip to Netherlands had a bit of a running gag because half the museum we wanted to see were in repairs : The Rijkmuseum & Stedelijk Museum in Amsterdam and the Maurizius in La Haye  :lol . Had to settle for a single wing at the Rijk and the former Colonial Museum (Troppenmuseum). I enjoy walking and sightseeing and Amsterdam is good for that. We ate in a couple decent places, can dig this up maybe if you want. Some good Indonesian to find, also Surinam (unfortunately didn't have the time to try the adress).
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« Reply #79 on: June 19, 2015, 01:14:20 AM »
I've done Brussels and Amsterdam before, just quick trips to hit our favorite places.

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Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
« Reply #80 on: June 19, 2015, 01:51:00 AM »
Spain is the best. Canas y tapas all day.


Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
« Reply #81 on: June 19, 2015, 06:14:26 AM »
Spain is the worst. It has sun.

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Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
« Reply #83 on: June 19, 2015, 10:25:10 AM »
Hijacking the thread for my own use. Heading to Spain this Saturday. 10 days there (Barcelona, Granada, Toledo, La Manga del Manor, Malaga), and then 2 in Brussels and 2 in Amsterdam.

You'll be the only guy on your Untappd feed with a Spanish beer badge.

I'm missing the Madrid Beer Week badge by two days. Total first world problem.
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« Reply #84 on: June 20, 2015, 12:41:37 PM »
Been good times.  Really enjoying the culture.  Already been to be bunch of cool places, went to Regensburg yesterday and walked around some old town area from the 1300s.  The churches are amazing here.  I'm not a religious man, but churches impress me in terms of being impressed by the power of humanity to make something so emotionally powerful, you really feel so small along with all your problems in a giant ancient church.

Also being away from videogame forums for a couple of weeks, and feeling like catching up on game news because of E3 feels more like "work", I feel like I'm done with following videogames as a hobby.  Like I'll still play games and enjoy them just as much, but I just don't care about following what new games get announced and stuff.  Too much time required and there's always a million games coming out that sound good.  I'll just play what I have and pick up new games when they come out if they look interesting.  Already stopped watching 90% of trailers and stuff years ago since they were always spoiling the whole story like movie trailers.  I haven't played any games since I've been in Europe and I miss them a little, but not enough to play them until I get back.  I'm actually mostly looking forward to playing more Assassin's Creed even though I was totally burnt out on the games, because being in Europe makes me crazy impressed how good of a virtual tourist experience AC games give.  Walking around Nymphemburg Palace here in Munich gave way too much deja vu of virtually walking around the Palace in Unity where the king lost his head.  Unity having 1:1 scale even though it kind of gets in the way the gameplay, is really nice for virtual tourism.  I'm actually gonna buy the London one now thanks to this Europe trip.

Got a business class upgrade for the flight from Vancouver to Europe.  So freaking stoked.  Never been business class before, gonna party it up!

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Was KLM.  At first was a little disappointed because visually it was nothing crazy, but the seat was hella comfy and reclined into many wonderful positions on the way to being a flat bed.  Brought a lot of stuff to watch/play on the flight but ended up having an experience of just chilling and watching movies in bed while being pampered with good food, free champagnes, hot towels and even a little Amsterdam house w/liquor souvenir.  I paid about $500 for the upgrade, but it was worth it for a 10 hour flight like that.  Time went by fast and the guy next to me was really nice and fascinating to talk to (Doctor flying to do a presentation on Lymphoma in Switzerland, he'd been all around the world researching and helping develop new cures).  I've been trying to get my mom to go to Japan for a decade and she always complains she's too old for a 10 hour+ flight (my dad's been and is totally cool with going again, just not my mom), maybe if I can get her a business class ticket she'd be down since it's much more comfortable.

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Re: Portland, France, Germany or Sapporo?
« Reply #85 on: June 20, 2015, 05:59:30 PM »
Sounds a lot like the Swiss Airlines business class experience.
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« Reply #86 on: June 22, 2015, 10:19:16 PM »
Spain is the best. Canas y tapas all day.



Spain is offering citizenship to Sephardic Jews who can prove their Spanish ancestry and have a note from a Rabbi. I am wondering how hard this would be to forge and what the consequences would be.

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« Reply #87 on: June 25, 2015, 10:29:45 AM »
Just got back, had a great time in Europe.  Went to Venice, Lager should be happy.  Was neat to check out, although basically a giant disneyland tourist spot where it's crowded, there's lines and everyone is trying their best to rip you off.  Saw the Basilica and Doge Royal Palace which I couldn't help but constantly imagine the Doge coin logo on the front and the palace of Doges.  Took a million pictures, now is the recovery time of offloading them all onto the pc and editing them as well as unpacking and catching up on 300 e-mails while getting over jetlag.  ^^;

Will post some pics along with trip comments in a few days when I'm done editing the patch, but very positive time in Germany/Austria/Italy.  Beautiful world over there.  Will definitely be going back every year or two and seeing other European cities.  Probably do France/England/Scotland/Ireland next either in 1 or 2 separate trips.